Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

I'm glad my guild was founded by a pure aryan.

Are mercenary post missions broken?

I heard hunters are actually good for PvP,how would you build them?

Is the XP at the 200 dungeon any good?

>>172224220
Good enough.

is there any hope for this game to recover?

>>172224831
Yes

>>172224831
ofc not

>>172224831
Maybe

has anyone else been doing orange mat farming after the changes? I think it's really much easier now, why isn't everyone walking around with orange weapons?

>>172224831
Yes, but there's no hope for IMC to get better servers so teh best you can hope for is all day queues to get in and massive instance errors.

>>172226889
>why isn't everyone walking around with orange weapons?
No pract, let alone 2 pract.

>>172226889
Getting the recipe you want is retarded.

>Its been a year since early access
>cuteposting died
>crushposting died
>discordposting died
>open world pvp is dead
>lolipan actually quit
>koenig is dead
>almost every bit of content has some kind of limitation put on it
>the thread has slowed to a crawl
>actual patches happen every 3 months

I miss the first few months of the game's release. I really only wanted the game to be good and fun. i dont miss everything though, but I do miss the comfy feeling that came with the threads at times.

>>172227817
there's a certain comfy in death

>>172227981
I guess you are right. I need to remember to look ahead. M-maybe the game will get better even! Maybe it'll become a ton of fun ;_;

>>172228559
don't worry anon, even if the game is dead I'll stay here until the end

>>172229673
There have been a few moments where i was about to quit the game entirely but i always find a dumb reason to get back into it heavily. I'll probably be around for awhile too, anon.

>>172228559
>>172229673
Even when the game is dead I'll be farming dina bee.

>>172226889
>why isn't everyone walking around with orange weapons?
Give me Practonium and most important the recipe i want, especially the recipe

dead

>>172233317
eh

I want to give up

>>172227817
These threads just sere to remind me that general threads were a mistake and /vg/ encouraging them, a bigger mistake. Next, if any mmo, I play, I'll just stay the fuck out of threads and talk to people I meet over some instant messaging program or in game chat, provided the game isn't stupid enough to punish you for being in a guild like this one used to.

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>>172233317
I can't keep you alive when i play something else

what would be the best skill distribution for a full con melstis slut? I know I should probably go cleric 2 krivis 3 miko priest tao, but I don't really know what to spend the skill points on

>>172234558

probably the same as an int one, you'll still melt dailies with a good enough weapon

>>172235734
I have no idea how to spec it, send help
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#413331i2h.1a2a345561.112f394f65.1121354355.11243545
I didn't even allocate the points in tao cause I know essentially nothing about how to allocate them, I only know that dark sight is good for AFK floors in ET

>>172236063

looks about right to me, but you want 3 in sweeping not clap - you could get 0 clap but I put 1 point in in case they ever fix it, it only works on diev statues right now

for taoist dark sight 1 already lasts longer than the cd, i think people generally get begone demon 1, storm calling 5, tri-disaster 3, last one 5

Why do taoists never use the multi hit powerful talisman but rush to use the rain talisman and their shitty lightning bolt from rank 2?

>>172236839
Becaue it's the superior talisman

so, sweet boy event ends today...
but the super leveling event still goes for one extra week, right?

>>172237208
right

>>172237208
It should, yeah.

I've got a question about the leveling event: we can keep rewards from the chests even after the event has ended, right?

>>172237619

14 days, but other than that, i think so

>>172237697
Yeah that was what I meant. I'm planning on making 3 more alts but since I don't play an awful lot, I can't use all the rewards in the one week left.

Still can't decide the sixth rank for my barbgoon: doppel for ultra pve superiority or corsair for 2x2 fun

>>172237872

if you have a red weapon and the character slots it's probably worth it anyways, the cost of vouchers is offset by the silver anvil and you can sell the gems

>>172236708
>for taoist dark sight 1 already lasts longer than the cd

That doesn't matter, even if it was 0cd everyone would still get it lv 4 + DM so they can actually afk the whole 5 minutes.

>>172238026
be a pirate

>>172236839
Because 4 zaibas hits is more damage than the entire "powerful" talisman.

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>>172223293
(Klaipeda)
Futureproof is recruiting, pm ApplyAFineHorse3 or Triela for invite

OK I'M 322 AND I CAN'T GET THE GET THE LAST HST

CAN I USE THE REWARDS FROM THE FIRST CHESTS TO REACH 330 AND GET THE 120 TP AT LEAST?

>>172240421
yeah

Is Magnus Excorcismus any good nowadays? I want to make a thematic exorcist Miko with Taoist scrolls. Can I use sweep on ME? Should I take cleric 2 (I'm not being a healbitch but fade, and more safety zone and cure are nice) or paladin 1 for turn undead?

Also does exorcise's attribute stack with m.exorcismus? So that you get like up to 200% damage when it's up.

>>172223691
Which guild would that be?

remember to craft all our candy baskets to speed up your whte hair achievement!

>>172240953

ME is like a Firepillar...without agny. pretty ok but no, you can't stack attributes, just go lv 1 exorcise 0% and invest on ME. Exorcise would be useful as a investment only for non-chaplains

I haven't played in a few months and went through patch notes that I missed. One change I noticed was that there had been a rebalancing done on high level monsters that affected HP, attack and magic defense. How significant is this change? I know that before the change, about half of the mobs in the world and every boss would only take 1 dmg from my Pyro's skills while the rest took severely reduced damage.

Also, judging by the change to wugu attributes and the OP, I take it wugus are now gods? Also, how's the changed up Wugu3 bug skill now?

What's leveling like now with the new changes to dungeons? Did they also change how much xp dungeons give post 160?

>>172243420
W-Wait a minute, you mean each basket counts as one point for the achievement?

>>172244649

yeah, it's crafting!

>>172245081
Crap, I didn't think of it. Thank for letting me know, I think I still have time to get it on my new character.

>>172243707
Does ME hold things in place?

>>172243848
>How significant is this change?
You only need like 2k matk instead of 2.4k matk.
Of course this means that with agny, things take like several thousand more damage a tick

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marry/fuck/kill

>>172250038
Kill the first, impregnate the second, marry the third, have my wife assassinated by the first's brother in revenge for having murdered his sister, declare war on the first's brother and his family, march on their lands and burn down their castle, capture and execute the first's brother, get poisoned by my own son with the third who conspired to reach the throne all this time, have my bastard son with the second raise his sword against my legitimate traitor son and fight him for the crown.

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>>172250038

>>172250886
back to CK

>>172250038
marry 3
fuck 1
kill 2

>>172250886

wasn't expecting this, top kek

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>http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=62129019
tostards?

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>>172227817
You know this general had so much cancer posting that it's no wonder people who were from /tosg/ quit the game. Did you not see the amount of shit posting whenever someone "avatar" posted or "blog" posted about their adventures?

The entire /tosg/ shat on multiple people. Told them to constantly quit. Had wild crazy stories and talked shit about them constantly. Paranoid spamming. People stopped posting quite quickly when it became apparent how hostile this general is and that one mod (ONE MOD) allowed it to happen and then took sides and banned people who told the cancer to leave.

This entire has been garbage from day one and how dead it is now is all thanks to you. If /tosg/ was unified and not hell bent on demonizing its' own posters every step of the way we might have our own guilds in the game.

Couple that with IMC's insane incompetence to fix anything on our client and doing anything and you have a piss bowl of a general that no one wants to interact with. I remember the first few months of /tosg/ release were some of the shittiest ones ever. Paranoia seriously killed this general before the game itself did. Then the cliques formed via Discord and people spammed about the general in game and invited Plebbitors / Forum users and literal children to post here on a site that has an age restriction.

Couple that with the insane meta elitism of class builds and classes. Every day in the general if people asked about sword builds you'd have 1 or 2 faggots constantly shitpost reply to them.

So yeah, you dug your own grave. Enjoy rotting.
>inb4 some faggot thinks I'm "X" from his server

I quit this game last July. No one here knows who I am but I come back to read posts and check on the state of the game.

>>172255253
tldr

>>172255518
>I can't read 5 tweets worth of text

Anyone excited for R9?

I mean, I was for R8. But they made it so badly. The new R9 classes were so powerful (base damage of skills over 4000 on average, some 12k) that it made it pointless to make unique classes. You were forced to pick one of the new classes because otherwise you'd be useless.

I mean look at Sage, Dragoon C2, Murmillo etc.

Kind of made it pointless to make new type of builds.

R9 makes us have 3x3x3 builds available, but seeing as Ranks 3 to 6 didn't get an overhaul to fit with the new 500k health monsters it means only the last 3 ranks matter and the first 6 are just "support" ranks.

I kind of dislike that. I feel like if they scaled down all the R8 shit (damage values as well as % bonuses) took out blessed gems and made ranks 6 to 9 scale the same as the previous ranks we might ha.... never mind. Dead game.

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New Event: Serial Trickster
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=900

>EXP gains by 20% the whole week
>+5 movement speed for 1 hour
>Commander Lord Phail NPC
>Totally Legit Cube (1 per character)
>50 April Feathers

Totally Legit Cube
>drops "totally legit" equipment items with a 7-day limit.
>not consumed when used
>cooldown time of 30 minutes

April Feather Effects
>Pretend to do retarded shit

>This event is not meant to be taken seriously. Please think of it as just a way to play around during April Fools'.

tl;dr - it's nothing

>>172255253
>shitposted to death every time I showed an ss of myself having fun
>shitposted to death every time I showed my guild having fun
>shitposted to death every time I tried to engage in build discussions
>people who don't even play the build or even play the game are the loudest shitposters
Well yea, I gave up on thread long ago, having fun and discussing stuff with my own guildies is so much comfier.

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post butts

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>>172257898
I'm not sure I can handle an even bigger birb

Downloading game as we speak, any personal tips?

>>172258969
Roll on Klaipeda
Are you from EU? Still roll on NA

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>>172259081
im eu, is eu dead? or am I too late to the party in general?

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>>172259081
Retard

>>172259372
Don't listen to that retard.
By rolling on NA you'll have shitty ping and you'll have to wait for burgers to get out of work or school do do anything.
Which means both not being able to play classes that rely on small ping and having to play very late.

>>172259372
EU is kicking thanks to Italians and French loving the game and your backdoor slavs. It's considered to be one of the healthier servers even by forum and plebbit. Only here will you get people shitting on it because Klaipedo players desperately want their server to matter more.

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>>172259904
>EU is kicking

get a job anon

and a master degree.

>>172260074
It's reported to have more players than on Klaipeda now.

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>>172259717
>>172259904
thanks!

was also wondering if this is one of those games where you'll probably fuck up your first character? or should I just chill and just do whatever until I hit a wall?

Pet dog when

>>172260341
>as also wondering if this is one of those games where you'll probably fuck up your first character?
Yes, that's why you should ask advice to veterans.
Don't trust the thread though, join one of the guilds and ask there.

>>172260245
>It's reported to have more players than on Klaipeda now.
How can one know? The server load thing on the official site is useless.

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what's the best weapon/subweapon for necromancer?

>>172260717
Have a level 100 character on both servers and visit Fedimian. Their almost identical in terms of shops and players. Sadly the addon / script that revealed player amounts was a ruse or never worked. Fedimian never was any more dead than Klaipeda. TOS has almost no appeal in USA but in EU the cutesy characters are loved by your closet weebs from Russia and EU.

anyone know if those barbarian changes has something to do with frenzy or is all about the feral nature (feral stacks by dashing)? Can I skip frenzy if I dislike it?

>>172260960
Klai has tons of south americans though.
And north american weebs are just like russian weebs.

>>172260074
>north americunts and SEAfags think they're faring better with their sub-1k players servers
reminder if you're not playing in nexon jp you're essentially playing in a private server

>>172260381
>tons of dog sprites in the game
>tons of cute quest dogs
>no dog pet

Are swords viable at all? I heard Doppelsoeldners were amazing at one point but got nerfed again.

Also is there still no class reset?

>>172261706
Shepherds only

>>172260948
>no skull staff/rod

>>172261767
doppels are still probably the best DPS of the game, losing only to single target against a fencer with really good investment

I fucked up my exp viewer by hiding it

what's the command to bring it back

>>172261767
Doppels got some nerfs but still the best dps. They require hefty investment though.

>>172261996
A fencer on single target would require a lolo rapier at least to match a doppel. In aoe it's not even a contest, doppels blow every other build in the game given the same support.

>>172262502
A doppel will never lose to a fencer alone, but with a perfect party a fencer will win since 0cd and cap damage is a thing.

>>172262502
>>172262638

Isn't Pyro the best damage in the game? You'd think so with the agny multiplier.

Also as far as I recall they nerfed Cyclone to the ground and archers easily beat doppels as long as they have Fletcher C3 for Magic Arrow spam.

I never see any discussion here about doppels so I don't know if you guys are memeing on me.

>>172262638
The presence of a chrono alone gives doppels the edge simply due to pass on cyclone cd, while fencers gain almost nothing aside from another prep+sept (and 100% uptime on epee, but a perfect party always has melstis).

What did they do to the dungeons? I read that 145 and 170 got changes and stuff but no real info anywhere. Can someone give me a rundown of the changes to dungeons?

>>172263041
>You'd think so with the agny multiplier.
Have you seen the multiplier Doppel (Deeds + Cleave + Doppel3 skill) and Fencer (Epee and Preparation) have alone?
Not to mention with a Dragoon (Serpentine + Spear Lunge) in the party to support them.

>>172263159
In a perfect party with a dragoon and DE support both builds will reach cap damage, or close to it on cloth for fencer, but fencer will hit ~4 time/s forever, while doppel doesn't even come close to 100% uptime cyclone.

Was awakening ever buffed to be on par with hat enchants or is it still shit?

Did they fix alchemist at all? I remember trying to make items and couldn't make more than 1 item at a time.

I like the idea of the Pyro 2 > Thauma 2 > Linker 2 > Sage. I get it. It's cheap and doesn't require 100m investment to be viable. Easy to play and no need to think about anything.

That said I haven't played in a long time. I heard Agny made Wizard viable. Well, pyro viable, rest of the builds are still either support or trash. Not to mention a thauma c2 / linker c2 gives support already while being amazing farmers and damage.

It's no wonder you don't see archers but just pyrolinkers. It's easy to play a pyro linker and all you need is some gear to survive the now nerfed end game R8 mobs. Linke, gather, sleep, swell and fireball and shit dies even with 800k health.

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So whats next for this dead game and dead general?
How will you survive the next few months of absolutely nothing if the game isnt shut down by then?

>>172264776
grind until my eyes bleed

>>172260960
>>172065193
Have some numbers instead of conjecture.

>>172264776
RO is still going and could be fun in a group.

But nah I'm in my late 20's and can't be assed with MMO's after this.

>>172264949
that literally proves him right
add all the EU countries + Russia and it's > Klaipeda

Brazil are on their own servers u know

>>172265509
I'm EU and play on Klaipaedo.
Tons of BRs play on Klai too.

>>172265564
>Tons of BRs play on Klai too.
>implying that's a good thing

>>172265564
no ur not

>>172264949
that "other" tab is huge
considering I'm from spurdo country and it isn't listed I'm guessing that entire "other" tab is all the small EU countries that alone don't make the list

so the other has to be EU

that or aliens

>>172265509
What? If you add up all the players from all the EU countries it's less than United States alone, and even if you add the 5.38% Other it wouldn't beat US + Canada's players, even before considering that non-NA people play on Klaipeda.

>>172266494
>non-NA people play on Klaipeda
they don't and the 1 shitposter here doesn't reflect the 100% who chose servers based on location on login

don't be a retard and count the actual values

>>172266932
>don't be a retard and count the actual values
Learn to do the same and you can see that US + Canada > EU + Other, as I said.

Unless you add Owners instead of Players, but obviously Owners don't represent who still plays.

can I use a high level blue orb monster to afk level at tenet garden?

>>172268106
It will despawn soon.
Maybe you could duel an oracle and let him change it, that way it shouldn't despawn.

>>172266932
SEAmonkey here, I know at least 5 other people who also chose Klai over the SEA servers.
You can always say I'm lying and I can't make you understand why we did it, but there you go.

>>172268176

that's bad, I wish I could send a red truffle army to power level me, kek

>>172268272
How's the latency?

>>172262069
/expviewer

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>>172268570
Welcome to 3rd world internet.
I'd be lying if I said I never regretted choosing Klai, but if they offered a server transfer now I'm not sure i'd take it.

>>172269127

thanks!

>>172269246

not even a 2gb internet would reduce your ping to a NA server

>>172270246
Decent netcode would, though.

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>Still playing this game
>2017

So how is that 1 year anniversary?

>>172260948
Windia Rod due to the SPR. SPR translates to defense for all your summons.

did they fix that attribute bug where you reset and keep them?

>>172266447
Other is mainly people who don't have their country listed. It's amazing how Fedimianfags will just make things up try try to lure people into their server.

>>172266932
Klaipeda is flooded with spics and I know a lot of Europeans and SEAs playing on it.

>>172274308
ping > +20 more people on your server

>>172273608
A long time ago iirc.

>>172274606
are you sure?

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>>172273091
>not playing in 2017

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>>172269246
>>172270246
I don't knwo what you BR retards are bitching, I never get any lag when I play this game

>>172275279

>br
>seamonkey posting about his connection

fucking retard. I'm doing fine because I live in south america and I'm using a good vpn, but what a seamonkey who plays in klaipeda can do?

>Distance To New York City From Manila is:
8498 miles / 13676.21 km / 7384.56 nautical miles

>Distance To New York City From Fortaleza is:
3800 miles / 6115.51 km / 3302.11 nautical miles

>>172261164
>>172263276
>>172263696
Didn't get any replies. Anyone? I know drama is more fun to respond to but these are vital for me to know.

Answers kind of tell me if I want to return to the game etc.

>>172276656

I don't know about barb, sorry. Dungeon levels were altered and some were taken out. It's overall smoother now. Awakening is still shit.

>>172223293
>Remember seeing threads about this on /v/ a while ago
>Gameplay seemed interesting
>Art was great
>Forget about it
>Get screwing around on steam and see it
Is it worth getting into? All I see on steam are complaints of hackers and pay2win bullshit.

How hard is Inner 8 now? I hear it's easily soloable even without 3x Rhevisans + Didel shield and 2000 mdef + a healer.

True/False?

>>172276656
Don't feel bad if questions go unanswered, there's a lot of things to know about this game and not everyone feels like they can give a solid answer at times. Like me, right now.

>>172276903
People enjoy complaining but in the end it's a free game that you'll get at least some fun out of, and if it's not for you then oh well. It's not p2w and hacking's been resolved for now.

>>172277216
Yes. They nerfed the ever living shit out of everything and I am now sad.
You still need some okayish mdef gear though.

>>172277423
That's good news. If only returning players got a free char reset for all characters (or a new event) I'd honestly return. All of my characters (4 fucking swords) are relatively terrible builds.

Seeing all these changes makes me want to come back, but not if I can't reset the past builds into working ones. If that was a thing I'd return today.

>>172276903
>pay2win
Are you sure you're reading the steam comments about the right game?

>>172276656
Dungeons were in the patch notes.

>>172276903
It's not even close to p2w at all, and I haven't seen any hackers around. People will bitch about anything.

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>>172278067
Motherfucker do you not go to treeofsavior.com anymore?

https://treeofsavior.com/event/levelupchestchallenge/

>>172278187
>>172278198
Just going by what some of the posts say. Like I said I know next to nothing about this game.

>>172278067
It is easy as fuck to level up now. Go and enjoy the leveling up event. It'll last for another week, so you have plenty time to get a free stat and skill reset potion on all of them.

>>172278213
Class reset I meant. That's not a thing. Also no I don't really. But I know class reset still isn't a thing and until it is, I ain't exactly coming back.

>>172278367
Class reset was a thing exactly once, but there's no telling when it might happen again. Maybe with R9, maybe not.

The pont they're trying to make is the current Level Up event means making a new character is far less effort than usual right now.

>>172278328
The people trying to make money off hacking gave up, which is why there's a lot less now.

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>>172278367
YOU MISSED IT!
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=779&vp=5

They sent these out to everyone on January.

>>172278330
I don't want to make 4x rerolls to replace ones that became broken due to IMCompetence. That'd be too depressing. Don't care about EXP events. I could level to 317 in 2 weeks without events on any kind of character.

>>172278606
Then I don't care to come back. I don't want to begin again only to start leveling more alts upon alts only to find out stuff again gets nerfed. That was one of the worst feelings in the past in this grindy game.

>>172278741
Why only make it a one time event only? This company man... In any case I knew about this. Thanks tho.

>>172278773
Funny enough, we've been getting a lot of buffs recently. Gear, stats, mechanics, and classes that fell behind. Even enemies and drop rates have changed in our favor.

>>172278630
Right.

So how hard is it to pick up this class system? It seems like it's fairly complicated and you can easily end up with a shit build.

>>172279014
I don't know. THEY HATE MONEY.

Literally they will have more players if they just place this in the cash shop.
Make it something ridiculous like $50 since it's supposed to be taxing when you fail your build so hard.

AND they earn more money. WIN WIN!
Players are happy. They get money,

>>172279151
Your first character is usually a guinea pig.
Just pick what's fun for you!

But even then you'd want to experiment with the skill simulator a bit first.

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/

>>172279221
Kill yourselves pay2winners, and then go level alts.

>>172279221
50$ is too steep in my opinion. Unless it would reset all characters. It'd be a start I suppose. But man 50$, I'd rather go buy a whole game.

>>172279357
Rerolling a build does not make the target build any stronger dumdum. Literally nothing pay2win about that.

>>172279451
What sounds like a fair price though? $20?

>>172279151
It can be daunting, but if you have a general idea of what playstyle you want it won't be so bad. Just make sure the classes you plan on have good synergy, else copy some others' builds.

>>172279509

I'd say 20$ is pretty fair. That's about what skill resets in RO cost, if I remember right - not quite equivalent, though.

>>172279509
Well considering I'd need like 4 of them to begin with and would buy more too since I'd use an offensive character to reach max level to reset them to full support.... 10$? I mean it gives no real advantage and is just a class reset. I'd use one build to reach max level, then a reset to ... well 10$ is a pipe dream but I mean come on, most MMO's would have it for free with in-game currency. Why not make it 1m for first reset, then 5m, then 10m and 20m (limit/max) etc.?

>>172279509
You're paying to constantly have the most unbalanced build of the month, moron. Even a NEET powerleveler would have to replace transcended weapons while a reset would preserve them. That's paying money for a large advantage over other players, which is literally pay2win.

>>172279796

Well, resetting your entire class isn't really like respeccing in world of cuckcraft or equivalent game, so I don't really think it's fair to compare.

>>172279990
It doesn't reset you all the way anyway, just within your tree and WoW has that.

A sword cannot reset into wizard etc. Don't know why you'd interpret it like that. Are you retarded?

>>172279973
Woah woah wait. You're still limited to the base class you chose at the start of the character. A swordy can't be a mage.

And flavor of the month classes usually hop around these two and cleric.

>>172279796
> I'd use an offensive character to reach max level to reset them to full support
This is the very definition of giving a real advantage. Most MMO's wouldn't have it at all, so go back to your niche cash grab mobile games.

>>172280123
WoW doesn't have that. You can't reset your fire mage into a warlock even though they're both types of wizards.

The point of not having class resets is to make your picks actually important and character defining, I like that. Rank resets should just be when they release a new rank since that can ruin your character, I'm glad they stick to their guns so far on no class resets.

>>172280126
Get 4 characters, and now you have any build instantly forever. In practice, you're not hopping between all 4 trees, you're turning your elememe into a pyro.

>>172280463
No it's not. You're still using one character to help another.

No different in what everyone is doing. Making one alchemist to supply another. Making one farmer to support another.

Only difference is you're using money to reset one instead of supplying one character with vast P2W items to help them level.

You're a hypocrite without even realizing. So... ignorant as well as a hypocrite? There's no difference though. Cash shop already gives GIANT exp bonuses and helps leveling.

>>172280913
There's also the point of making the lower level game more active since people raising alts have to queue and join groups.

>>172280615
retard. absolute retard.

>>172281081
>Only difference is you're using money to reset one instead of supplying one character
Yeah, fucktard, just like how the only difference between apples and oranges is you're getting apples instead of oranges.

Don't use words you don't understand the meanings of. Go look up hypocrite in a dictionary, ESL retard.

>>172281606
No difference. You're just too stupid to not realize it.

I'll try to make this as retard proof as possible. Seems to be the only way to reach your low IQ brain.

Scenario 1:
>Character A, Build A
>Needs gear, items and silver to reach peak both in level and items

>Character B, Build B
>Needs very little, supplies character A with money, loot, gear
>Supplies both characters with Token status

>In scenario 1 two characters stay and constantly supply each other.
>Clearly a good scenario that can also use cash shop to make leveling even easier.

Scenario 2:
>Character A, Build A
>Needs gear, items and silver to reach peak
>Can't reach peak because can't reach max level effectively
>Build A is too weak to solo end game nor is a meta build

>Character A, Build B
>Effective leveler and farmer build, but not his goal for end game
>Use Build B to reach max level and to farm money, loot, gear

>Reach potential, use reset
>Character A becomes Build A, now with levels, gear etc. needed to be functional

>In this scenario you'll end up with just one character and to go back to the farm Build B requires more money
>This scenario is a one time use only
>Cash shop doesn't offer effective items to make Build B reach the peak on it's own

Clearly you are retarded if you cannot see that 2 characters or more even supplying 1 character isn't vastly more pay to win than just a simple class reset that effectively erases the other factor.

In short: You have to be new to MMO's if you think a class reset withing the class is pay to win and you are possibly mentally challenged. Every MMO has had class reset and a broken piece of shit game like TOS needed it from day one and saying otherwise is one of the reasons why this game died.

Why is this thread suddenly full of douches?

>>172282864
If there's no difference then you don't need paid resets since you already have the same thing. Problem solved. Didn't bother reading the rest.

>>172283542
You have to be mentally fucking retarded. End of discussion.

So... I still have one week to reach 330 for my free tp, right?

>>172284495
yes

>>172284495
>150 TP
>worth anything

>>172280973
And each time you're still going to need to buy the attributes for the new one.

You're just saving a bit of silver if you retain some of your old circles again.

It's a pay2catchup mechanic. You also lose the previous attributes. Sounds fair to me really.

How are bots in TOS? It's as easy to do it as It was in RO, or harder?

>>172283542
Jesus christ anon. Please think a little bit.

>>172285009
Tons used bots before. They're just really really easy to spot, so when the Population dropped, the GM's actually finally became enough to remove most of them.

>>172280973
>ignores the fact that attributes are a thing
I can't follow how stupid your logic is. Why would anyone make 5x small variant builds of one character to jump between them?

Not to mention you'd need close to 1 billion to max all of the attributes on all of those characters and in the end 75% of that silver would be wasted because only 1 would work.

Bottom line is IMC is a shitty company when it comes to balance and having no class reset just makes that worse.

This isn't RO. This game needs class reset.

>>172284702

one lens, 3 character slots...

>>172284991
Tens of millions is a bit? Not everyone is an RMT whale.

It's not catching up when you're doing it to get ahead. You want to get a head start on new OP classes so you can get server firsts or dominate competitions while the other players are still building their new characters.

>>172285317
Just how fucking stupid are you? Attributes are an argument against resets. If you need the reasons explained again, scroll up.

This isn't RO so stop begging for your private server shortcuts.

>Everyone quits
>The only people left are "get me to end game as fast as possible nothing else matters" WoW clone autists

Reminder almost anyone saying they want an old school grindy MMO is lying and most MMO players shouldn't even be playing this genre.

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>>172285429
You can't seriously be comparing "being able to keep what you paid for before in attributes" to "whaling" can you anon?

Everyone else that already did the OP build from the start is already OP and ahead by miles just by the attributes sunked into that thing.

What's wrong about giving others that want to change their build KEEP THEIR already PAID for Attributes?

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Regarding barbarian changes...
Here some info:

Currently Barbarian c2, already got the wild nature attribute. You don't need to stack frenzy at all, you just need to run, stack wild nature (up to 5) and Embowel will stun mobs for fucking 10 seconds.

>>172286083

With Warcry at Barb C3 you make it 20s

>>172285840
Learn to read. I said believing tens of millions of silver is just "a bit" suggests someone is a whale who buys large amounts of silver and has no idea what tens of millions mean to an average player.

"The start" isn't in the past, dipshit. Are you a time traveller? Do you think everyone is secretly leveling up alts for the new OP builds that we'll only find out about when future patches come out?

>ahead by miles just by the attributes
You just claimed raising all your attributes isn't whale tier. Which is it? Do attributes only take a bit of silver, or are they so expensive getting them high takes you miles ahead of the pack?

What's wrong is you're trying to get a head start so you can win competitions before players who don't pay money get a chance.

>>172285834
>Reminder almost anyone saying they want an old school grindy MMO is lying
I'm just going to make am mmo simulator for myself after this game and be done with it.

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>>172275650
I am playing from euro and I don't get lag or any kind of slow down, SO GET BETTER INTERNET THAN 14.4k phoneline

>>172287072
Ok. Then what if IMC fucks up and suddenly creates a new flavor of the month.
How would that affect your gameplay?

Preventing people that already invested a lot on their "main" character to only change it then buy attributes again except for the ones they already ranked in the past.

How would that affect your gameplay?


And this discussion is ignoring the fact that flavor of the months shouldn't exist anyways if IMC properly balances their classes.

>>172288493
IMC adds a new world boss with important loot in the patch where they fuck up balance again. My party's damage dealers need to reroll, buy attributes, and regear. Rivals buy class resets instead. They farm the boss and get all the loot while my party isn't ready, and they use the loot they got to maintain an advantage. That's one example of how it can affect my gameplay.

If you just want to keep an attribute you already paid for, make all attributes account wide for everyone instead of tying it to cash shop purchases.

>>172289000
>If you just want to keep an attribute you already paid for, make all attributes account wide for everyone instead of tying it to cash shop purchases.

That's actually a neato idea. Let's have that.

But there has to be a way to implement class reset without triggering "I got to be the best" type of people like you.
I'm thinking hard. There has to be a way.

What do you think is the best way to implement it? Class resetting preventing you from getting boss cubes for 1 month? Sounds good actually. Many casuals just want to reset since they already invested so much on their mains.

>>172289224
There is, just don't give the rank up cards. There, you reset your class, got your skillpoints back, keep your attributes, but you still gotta grind back to where you were and you still have your base level.

>>172289224
Personally I'd just tell them to level alts or keep it to once per new rank added, but a penalty like that would have a real impact. I wonder what the target market of resets would think of it.

>>172288156
The day they make faster than light communication possible.

can anyone link a good barb build with the balance changes?

>>172286083
Embowel
>2.5s animation
>2 aoe ratio from skill itself
>30s cooldown
>Longest stun, but needs some setup

Helm Chopper
>1.2s animation
>3 aoe ratio
>20s cooldown
>2 overheat

Seism
>.8s animation
>5 aoe ratio
>18s cooldown
>2 overheat

Maybe embowel deserves a point nowadays, but still seems not as practical unless you're facing very few enemies, while helm chopper and seism can work into skill rotations easily.

>>172290173

It really a one point wonder now. 10 seconds is no fucking joke. I'm a pelt as well, using a five hammer I can stun the whole pull for 10 seconds, lol. 2.5 setup is a small price, plus, you can chain triple boosted cleave into this without relying on helm chopper.

Embowel -> 3x cleave -> warcry to extend both stun and slash debuff -> proceed with maximum pouncing (that is both slash and also deal more damage on stunned stuff!).


I'm going Dragoon 2 on this cutie, Serpentine on top of this will be so cool, too bad Pouncing cooldown is like, two days long lol

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Whisper ApplyAFineHorse3 to join Futureproof now, or else you'll have to wait until after maintenance. Send a friend request if I don't get a whisper.

Why would monsters in the current year be carrying around scraps of paper from a report written by a soldier who died 4 years ago on arbor day? They really didn't try with later quests.

>>172295436
It's a collectible and the monsters trade them wiht each other. Monsters are carrying all kinds of stuff and when we kill them we sort through their binders to find the right papers.

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>>172292310
Last wish is a respectable wish.

>>172298961
Oracle 3 was a very important addition.

>>172298961
So I guess this is gay trap shit masquerading as gay yuri shit?

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Ok who here bought TP Bundles from IMC since April 30th?

Get +20% additional TP of what ever you bought. They are testing out their TP buying system.
FOR FREE!

>>172306016
False flag. Everyone can go home now except new ones that want to buy new TPs till Apr 30.

>From now till Apr 30...

QS > Ranger

>>172307093
True for PvP.

QS3Rogue3 is a majestic beast to watch in PvP.

>>172307201
> pvp

>>172283165
There was a time when it wasn't the case?

I stopped playing since late January. What have I missed? Anything good on the horizon?

>>172275080
Sometimes I miss classic gundam.

>>172307897
You can log in today to get yourself some FIRECRACKERS!

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maint turned my boy into a big special boy

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>>172308845
Oh. Okay.

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healmage is a cute, A CUTE!

the tricky bitch doesn't give me anything


????

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>>172308961
Somehow this feels like an appropriate size for pets.

>"totally legit cube" drops lv1 Solmiki gear with +1 their stats
Woooo game FUCKING SAVED

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>no pan
ummmm tostards

>>172307897
DPK gone, new unique gear, hunting grounds, some events, class buffs, enemy nerfs.

>>172290173
Just woke up and I Have questions. Is there any other skills Embowel affects? Also did they fix the attribute bug for Doppels so you could all 3 deepcut attributes and respec for Cyclone? How nerfed is Cyclone now (NOT TALKING ABOUT WHALE-DOPPELS-SPINNING-IN-ET-WITH-MIKO+MEISTIS-SLAVES)? How do you build Doppel now anyway with that bug? Just don't get 1 skill at all? 15 Cyclone and 15 Deeds is already almost all your skill points.

>>172312040
What is this?
Sideview where?

>>172312756
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/items/624738

>>172313147
>Backless and no straps
Clothes don't work like that!

Also wow, it literally is nopan. Thanks IMC.

>>172313147
This is amazing.

>>172312480
anyone

>>172312040
>Wiz outfit is the shittiest of a bunch of kind of shitty outfits once again.

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/items/624340

I can't wait to get my legit gear.

>>172315459
I still don't understand how "u mad" became a question when what it was based on was originally a statement.

>>172315652
lol?

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Finally I can get off Mr. Kim's Wild Ride until R9. I just hope I don't get a huge negative briquetting roll on the staff.

>>172315989
Doesn't briquetting need 2 identical weapons and even so the bonus is small to be worth it

>>172316107
It's for skin transfer. You can use any weapon you want but you do need to use the same type of item (staff for staves, etc).

>>172316198
does skinning still do the 15%+- roll?

>>172315989
Why would you want that sword?

>>172316249
Yes, I thought it didn't at first but it actually does.

Oh man the memecube + feathers are a per team reward.

is this game still dead as fuck

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I found Laimas giant mossy tits.

Letitia is fun

International ToS or ToS JP?

Is full con murmillo worth it?

>>172317380
yes

>>172317025
jp high ping, high fps need moonrune knowledge

>>172317380
gofullswaaz

>>172317714
>>172317725
I hope it's not a meme.

what's the hunter PvP build?

appraiser when?

I love this event and I will buy some TP and hopefully there will be a problem and I'll get 20% more of it.

>>172320101
Probably real soon.

>>172320101
3 months.

>>172320101
4 months from now
R9 will be around november

Heh, haven't seen a Bokor army in town in a while, cute-

>They're all blocking the Ausrine statue and I can't teleport

AAAAA

>>172316294
That's just the list of items that scrolls over head every single time you get a material item.

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Roll on Fedimian and join us

either i'm super unlucky or the maint fixed DPK items, can anyone else test?

>>172324491
NOOOOOOOOOO!

>>172325284

I've been hunting dawn crystal fragments and I'm getting recipes and gems about at their old DPK and haven't gotten a fragment yet. I'm gonna try Worker's Lodge now, which should be a large enough sample size.

>>172324491
I've been having bad luck with Galoks this morning so far, and it feels like DPK, don't scare me like this anon.

>>172325449
I seriously hope this is just a coincidence. I can't go back to dpk now.

>>172325543

I'm at Worker's Lodge now so I'll have a pretty close to definitive answer in 5 minutes.

>>172324459
anyone who actually plays on fedimian I advice not to join this guild. was in there a couple of weeks and they do pretty much fuck all. if that's your thing then by all means just expect a lot of beta orbiting around capyba and cliques.

Okay, false alarm anons - I just got two consecutive Steel Bucklers.

>>172318560

archer 1 qs 1 hunter 2 rest os fillerl ike rogue 2, sapper 1, scout 1, wugu 2, falconer 1, archer 2 for more flee, mergen/hakka (tricky to use)/canon 2/musket 2

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>>172324459

>corsair 3

you're almost there

>>172325676
Thank Kim!

>>172325660
So just like any other /tosg/ guild but CnL?

I heard DKP was gotten rid of, which is amazing. Was this official or just people noticing it? Because no DKP sounds fantastic.

>>172326339
>but CnL
LOL

>>172326370
It was never in patch notes, but it's easy to verify. It's definitely no longer in the game, or it was at least changed to the point of being unrecognizable from what it was before.

>>172326520
oh right, only few ERPers and Hitlermagica are the only /tosg/ left there

@172325660
Thanks for the warning senpai

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>Guid Boss lvl 14 (?)
>1.6 billion HP
>DPS 7
>Healer 2
>Chrono 1
Overwhaled gear.
Took 1h to kill apparently and dropped 3 memecube recipes.

>Wanted to make a Corsair 3 lancer for support
>All attacks 2h spear onry

For fuck's sake the swordsman tree is so god damn stupid. It's like you don't even get to pick classes, you just pick the weapons you want to use.

>>172327449
Who cares, levelling alts of buying Practornium is faster than even unlocking that shit

can we briquette shit stuff using those 'legit equips'?

>>172327767

>two handed spear for lancer skills
>sword+pistol at alt+z

it's not that hard, but they really should give sword the autoweapon switch archers have

>>172309094
I want to inseminate healmage's fertile womb

>>172326927
I mean capy is a cool guy, but he's too chillax. he just logins does dailies with clique and logs off. he'll recruit u but do nothing with u (or use u for anything) or do any guild stuffs. join if you just wanna chat or if there's no other guilds around 'cept slav shit.

maid cafe I have no comment but has tons of lurkers and is a try hard guild, expect them to ask your build, chars, gear, money, date of birth, age etc. and then fill you in at the last slot. when I played they literally wanted only C3 sword / cavalry for their gvg. if you joined, that was all they wanted you for. they most likely won't help you in any way either.

best experience is to just make friends left and right. add people, talk with them. that way you get into far more stuff with them. don't friend any couples. bf and gf parties were everywhere and they are tightly secluded for obv reasons.

better yet, make ur own guild

gl anon

>>172327914
Yes.

>>172328287
> when I played they literally wanted only C3 sword / cavalry for their gvg
You have never been in Coffee

>>172328564
>I have a reading disability

>>172328607
And Coffee has never been serious about GvG to look or ask member to roll Sword C3 or "Cavalry"

>>172328564
>>172328764
he was talking about maid cafe you retard, read his post again

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>fedicucked ESLs

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>>172329034
>ESL
???

>>172327767
Corsair is pretty fucked as you're locked out of most other classes because of the dumb weapon shit. They really should rework the sword tree and make more classes available for multiple weapons.

>>172328287
Make one yourself then, there is almost no /tosg/ left on Fedimian anyways

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So is there any hope for this game left?

>>172328287
What about bullies?

>>172329749
>renBANlance
what did they mean by this?

>>172329749
That will take ages anyway. I assume they'll want that update to arrive before or with r9 classes, because they will want to plan r9 with the new mechanics in mind not to have to redo everything again later on.

THEY WILL FUCK UP THE BALANCE FOREVER LOL

EXPECT MAGIC MISSILE TEAM WIPE FROM STAGE 10 WHALES

>>172329749
I'm hopeful but doubt it'll do much honestly, the game is built almost entirely on linear systems, they would have to change basically every class in the game. They will probably just make the late game easier so that class elitism isn't as necessary or something.

I do hope they buff Spr though, Spr cleric could really use some love.

>>172328287
Maid Café is lot less tryhard now
Most of the core members quit
Leader almost doesn't play the game
They got barely top3 in GBL this season because they managed to win all their 4 games due matching with literally the bottom of the barrel of Fedimian guilds and their biggest rival is even more dead than them now
Half of the actual active Maid members are former Coffee

>>172330339
Just reworking the stat system and transcendence would do the game wonders.

>>172330441
Why though? It won't change the core end game of standing inside barrier shooting things, it'll just make it easier to do damage from inside the barrier.

Is everyone ready for their build to get ruined by the rework?!

>>172330681
Variety of stat builds rather than the full dex/full con garbage we see all the time.

>>172330924
I hope it's a drastic one so I can finally die.

>>172331180

Just look at it this way, if they do a drastic rework and don't offer rank reset+stat reset potions then the game will finally die! We're free!

WHERE IS THE NPC FROM THE EVENT

>>172332095
DON'T HELP HIM

>>172328287
>Capy
>does dailies
The only daily stuff Capy does is ET and he doesn't have any other coffee members in that party.

>>172329727
>there is almost no /tosg/ left on Fedimian anyways
There's only 1 (one) non tosg left in Coffee now.

>>172332456
FOUND IT ALREADY
WHY /TOSG/ IS SO MEAN

IT'S NEAR THE FEDIMIAN'S FREE TELEPORT GIRL

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>>172333795
I still want to have that our guild party, we need pretty much one person to make it if we don't wanna wait the Krivis to level Fodder come back
Today i will ask the wugu mergen i know in case we pug it

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nice """"anniversary""""

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The jews are the true winners of the April's Fool event.

I just want to go on record and say Comfy is also pretty shit unless you're part of the clique.

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Why aren't you playing Wugushi, anon?

Archmage bangle is still the best dps ring for wizards that don't care about solmiki?

Has anyone tried to copy skins from bootleg solmiki weapons?
It doesn't seem to work for me. Probably because of the "Unenhanceable" tag?

>>172339653

do it pussy

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>>172339653
N-no

>>172339653
I failed 4>5 while using 17 gems instead of 18, fucking rng

>>172339653
>trascending purple rod shit
That was already a waste of Practonium but you also wasted shard on it

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>>172340259
>>172341110
>>172341241

LOL. Ok, I went the 100% route, 180 fucking shards. Not going to try my luck against Mr. Kim.

My heart almost stopped when the game did a freeze trying to upgrade from +5 to +6.

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Toucan pet when

>>172341931

A skull smasher would give me 2147 matk on the same condition, so it's only +289 matk. Not worth the extra pract (35m), recipe (~20m) and materials (~40m) for a 4fun minigame character.

>>172342943
>recipe (~20m)
DELET

>>172342943
Get the rod istead of Skull meme

>>172338505
give me the best wugushi build!

>>172342259
>unroasted blues
I know it might be actually useful if you're a melstis/kagura slut but it still triggers my autism

>>172343024
He said it was a minigame character, you go windia or skull smasher for minigames because of the SPR. Heart of glory is pve.

>>172344564
Or on a kino.

>>172344389
a2 (r1/a3) w3 (s1/f1) mergen

>>172343024

The rod is cute but even regarding design, I still prefer Windia.

And as anon said:
>>172345024
It's a minigame character so I enjoy that SPR and raw Con (block, crit resist). Skull Smasher would be the BiS in that case but... Windia's cuteness and well, not worth the extra dps, too costly and a real difference would require stage 8 at least, well, that's even more money to burn.

>>172344564
I'm psychokino so... PP and GP eats a lot of of SP and this fucking rod gives a ton o SPR. Useful for pvp, sure, but when I'm doing dailies and questing (and farming a few stuff since this character does a decent aoe damage on trash shit), that -sp helps a bit.

>>172345072
Yup. Kino 3.

>>172342540
reward from level 20 guild raid

>>172254912
Being a whore must be so much fun.

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Congrats!

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>playing wugu in a party with pardoneer, corsair and chrono

For a hopgoon, gae bulg 5 or not? Some people say the buff is amazing, some that sucks.

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>>172345912
You can't die on me

>>172346038
I think it's unnecessary. I go with gae bulg 1, dethrone 5, dragontooth 10, dragon soar 4 and serpentine 10.

>>172346062
Silly robot, you can't just give this game shitty updates and hope it will be alive.

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BIG FAT