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Is there any good places to farm souls before pontiff?

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Can someone show me some outfits combination? I want to check muh fashion for my next character.
>Silver mask and Vilheim set
>Silver mask and Mirrah set

>>171599484
Nope. If you listen to the Fire Keeper's dialogue after giving her the Eyes, she says:
>In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire.

And it's even more explicit once you reach the actual ending, where she pretty much says the same thing. Which means that, even though she brings about an Age of Dark, she knows that eventually a new flame will come.

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MEMEZAKI THIS ARMOR SET BETTER BE IN RINGED CITY OR IM ORDERING A 3RD NUKE FOR NIPPON ISLAND

How the fuck did DaS3 not win GOTY in the music category??

Like I know this is from the dlc, but the game has so many fucking amazing tracks in general. Its a crime it didnt win youtube.com/watch?v=NN8dCyG-Pqo

Lightning spears need a higher ranged attack damage, and a lowered damage gain from the melee hit. It needs to change from a 50/50 damage distribution to more of a 70/30 or 80/20. The melee hit still exists but the spears themelves are more potent at range.

>>171599931
Yes, you know the spiders in the sewer like place right before the estus soup? Kill them. If you meant before irithyll, then kill the darkwraith in the swamp or the one in the basement over and over.

>>171599987
Come to think of it, this kind of connects thematically to the Painted World doesn't it?

Im SL level 112 in DS2 currently on shrine of Amana what am I in for after this?

I having a blast with my faith/str build.

>>171600135
>implying awards from random-ass gaming websites matter
If Gerstmann-Gate taught me anything, it's to never trust those websites to be impartial. Just listen to the opinions of your friends and also form your own opinion instead.

>>171600296
A substantially less interesting area, another substantially less interesting area, and a rather pretty one after that.

>>171600135
Video games awards are mostly a circlejerk for hipster journalists high on their own farts to give out awards to the indie pixel shit the pump out on a yearly basis.

What are the chances fromsoft is going to fix existing problems in the game instead of just adding more new stuff?

>>171599680
Just noticed that the Heretics Staff from Ds 3 is Beatrices Catalyst from ds 1. That's kinda interesting right?

>>171600296
Have you done the DLCs? If not, you'll want to emphasize the Str aspect of your build.

>>171600529
They came close to fixing the arena with this. I hold out some hope

>>171600529
Considering how they either aren't aware of any problems, don't care about those problems or don't think those problems are problems, pretty much nil chance of any fixes.

>>171600529
very slim because after this DLC its done and over for the souls series and they wont gain much money out of maintaining the games anymore, this game is like a ticking time bomb, enjoy it while it lasts multiplayer wise

>>171600302
>implying I dont do that already
I generally buy games I feel like, regardless of score.
I generally just dont think the DaS franchise has gotten the praise it deserves

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>>171600265
.....It's literally the running theme of the entire series including DeS.
The big picture theme is the idea of things being prolonged on life support when they should really have been allowed to die. All of the games give you NPC dialogue and story which suggests you need to prolong the status quo under the guise of saving the world, and then waits for you to come to your own conclusion that everything you're being told might actually be bad advice and that the best thing to do might be to let it all end.
In DS3 it's played up to the max because it's also a meta analogy for allowing the series itself to die so you can search for something new.

>>171600463
>>171600584

I haven't touched the DLC's but I heard its the best bit of the game.

Really looking forward to face Sir Allone and the Burnt Ivory king stage looks cool as fuck from the yt videos.

>>171600228
centipied girls, got it!

>>171600742
Huh, I don't remember vinheim set being this colourful

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>>171599931
archdragon peaks respawning knights are pretty good and can be gotten to before pontiff

>>171600706
YAMERO

>>171600135
Not only that, but not a single gaming-related award even nominated it for that category.

Can you only get one obscuring ring in the whole game?
What the fuck.

>>171600793
Sir Alonne is definitely one of the high points of the game for me. It's a very well made setpiece boss battle that is slightly soiled by the lack of quality of the short minilevel that precedes it, which is all the more surprising because the DLC as a whole has very good level design both mechanically and visually speaking.

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So how many bosses are there suppose to be in the Ring City?
And who is this guy?

>>171600971
It's the same as all covenant rewards, you will only get it once. Other players can drop one for you though.

>>171600971
Yes. It's a covenant item, and you can only get one of those per character.

If you want another one, then just back up your save, mule it, and then reload your save before getting it back.

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>>171600706
>mfw you can be so fat that you have to be lifted by a crane to get mobilized

How's the Morning Star? What build should I do for it?

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>>171601153
Goddamn it. I gave it to a friend but he stopped playing and now I have no way of getting one for my character.

>>171601103
Supposedly 4 bosses, based on currently unused boss IDs.
That guy is supposedly the Abyss Dragon, mentioned in some MIllwood Knight items, based on appearance alone.

>>171591327
>Isn't DS2 supposed to be super slow?
That's a meme spouted by bad players who can't into animation cancelling.

>>171601103

4/5 bosses

-demon boss
-fanservice boss
-angel boss
-dragon boss
-????

abyss dragon is an unkillable stage hazard that you need to interact with filianore to initiate the real boss battle; it's optional.

>>171600706
I want to scrape that shit off with a machete

>>171601335
Why didn't you back up your save before giving it to him? Are you on X-Bone or something?

Fucking hell, sentinels is slow going at level 30. I remember getting summoned plenty back in the day. If I wasn't already 1/3 done I would try with a lower level character.

>>171601461
>abyss dragon is an unkillable stage hazard that you need to interact with filianore to initiate the real boss battle; it's optional.
Does your dad work at The Ringed City ?

>>171601274
Str build is fine. Not sure if you will be proccing the bleed, you can use carthus rouge to enhance the innate bleed it has.

>>171600775
Ariandel is interesting because it presents the same theme again, but then flips the metaphors around. So now fire is being used to end the world instead of prolong it. Instead of goodguy NPCs asking you to take action to save the world, you're being asked by badguy NPCs to not take action in order to preserve the world. In both cases the world is blatently already fucked and you can easily make a case for putting it out of its misery.

For contrarians Ariandel asks them to consider the plight of the people you're "ending" in the process of putting the world out of its misery. The DLC provides residents like the rotbed guy who is quite happy with his situation, isn't trying to hurt anybody and just wants to sleep in his rotting filth. It also gives you "badguys" who talk and explain their opinion, explicitly state that no matter how rotten their world becomes they will still consider it their home, show real emotion, and then you kill them and burn their world to ashes anyway.

The final dialogue with the corvian as the world burns is fantastic, but you're also asked the consider if you did the right thing. It's a great DLC.

>>171601649
What about some elemental infusion?

>>171601461
>abyss dragon is an unkillable stage hazard that you need to interact with filianore to initiate the real boss battle; it's optional.
Kind of like Kalameet then?

>-fanservice boss
The Grey Giant?

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>>171600706
I-is that an infection? His skin is cracking...

>>171601706
You could also use an elemental infusion. Just make sure you have the corresponding stats for the infusion.

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QUICK! Post weapons you're hoping get a buff in the latest patch.

My baby the Halberd just can't handle mobs. Lothric Knights and small groups of enemies are fine but the r1 just isn't fast enough pve wise. Spears don't have this problem so simply giving it a speed comparable to that weapon class should be fine.

>>171601103
and one of the things his souls is gonna give us is the greatshield from the screenshots

>having trouble with lost sinner in das2
seems parry doesn't work on strokes but i can't hit it after a parry (just trying to parry first time in the game now)
the shit boss bending with the room doesn't help

>>171602091
Have you tried the r2 swipe? Maybe you should adjust to its playstyle.

>>171602169
Try turning the lights on.

>>171601673
>The final dialogue with the corvian as the world burns is fantastic, but you're also asked the consider if you did the right thing.
You do realize that Frieda has Father Ariandal chained to the basement and has her Corvian Knights assassinate anyone that goes against her?
Burning the painting was the right choice.

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>>171600706
THIS TOWN'S FINISHED

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>>171602091
It's fucking stylish and ideal fashion wise for a paladin build, but it has the same AR as an Astora straight sword, but it's slower, heavier and S L O W E R, with a shit moveset.
They will never change a whole moveset anyway but if I'm allowed to dream, I want it to have the same moveset as the lance in dark souls 2 and with a much higher AR

>>171602169
Did you conquer the belltower?
If not, I'd suggest you do that. It might give you some additional advantage against that boss.

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H E L P

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>>171602091

>>171600706

>saint of the deep frying

>>171601673
This was a good post
Accurate points too

>>171602241
Yeah I think the lack of poise or whatever the fuck it's called was giving me problems. I'd basically need to get an attack off quickly and both the r1s and r2s were just a little bit too long so I'd just get staggered.

Greatswords like the claymore at least let you trade and pretty favourably too.

>>171602507
I don't even like greathammers all that much but holy fuck does that thing need a buff really badly. What were they even thinking with how low the damage and scaling potential is on that thing?

>>171601721

>the gray giant

no, it's a guy you've already heard of, he wears armour, and the knights in the second area (ie the ringed knights) are directly connected to him thematically. I'm not sure who this guy is.

>>171601873

>what's your source

talking to a person IRL who does localization for bamco, that's how I learned the bits about the abyss dragon, which I specifically asked about, but he didn't really tell me anything else sadly.

I only added the ??? because none of those 4 really feel like a final boss to me, and apparently there's a top-secret 3rd area nobody is allowed to talk about.

>>171602384
You don't need to do that anymore in SotFS, Bastille Key is right outside of Ruin Sentinels now IIRC.

>>171602384
its my first playthrough , clearly dont even know whats the belltower

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>>171602091

It's awful in every way compared to the rest of its class. It has the shortest range and some of the lowest AR with a WA that's just a slightly more stylish version of the generic CS spin WA.

>>171602365
DaS2 lances were a joy.
They better add dual chariot lances in the DLC.

>>171602726
Lloyd? He's got a link with Gwyn (regardless of whether he's actually related to him) and we see his sword and shield in his rings.

>>171602507
Please From.
Let the game have at least ONE Great Hammer that is beautiful and usable.

>>171602726
Yeah, sure, and my cousin who works overseas in Japan is drinking buddies with Tanimura and he says that you're talking out of your ass.

>>171602726
What else did this guy tell you ? Spit it out.

>>171602627
Its got good range, you can believe me when I say poise isn't necessary. Greatswords/halberds shouldn't have poise either. It really makes them too good at everything. They're fast as hell with range and poise. Learn to time it, and create some distance between you and your enemies.

>>171602965
Please ask tanimura-sama why he likes to ruin games?

>>171601103
>>171601350
>>171602726
>Abyss Dragon
Kaathe is that you?

>>171602893
Great hammers are ugly weapons for plebians.

>>171602726
>talking to a person IRL who does localization for bamco
Sure you did, pal.

>>171602726
I can only think of Gwyn but it's very unlikely and would be quite underwhelming as it would be the third time we fight him.
I can only think of the Pygmy or LLoyd, but he is not that famous among player

>>171603081
Which is why Great Mace stands apart as the one exception to that rule alongside MAYBE Morne's Hammer.

>>171603013
Well I'll go give it a shot and see how it is. Maybe you're right. It's just that it was my weapon of choice in DS1, I used it exclusively for like 4 playthroughs in a row so getting stunlocked by hollows at the high wall on launch day really burned me out on them.

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>>171602836
but maybe if they added some extra parry frames...

>>171602279
There's absolutely no question that Father Ariandel is complicit. He's visibly concerned that the fire might start, clearly unhappy about Friede dying, asks for his flail so he can whip himself as a means of suppressing the fire. He probably chained himself to the chair, and he's said to have chosen rot over fire.

Friede of course seems to be playing the role of an imposter, it looks like she's ousted a previous lady of the painting and taken her place, lying to the residents and hiding the evidence. She found happiness and a home though, so her and Ariandel's motivation is only to preserve their home. Hence I put "badguys" in quotes. You don't really belong there, and it's not your home to destroy, but it is rotting and some of the people wish to choose death and end it all. I'm assuming that burning the painting does imply everybody in it dies, so the question is whether you should get to make that choice.

There's no definite right answer, because it's not presented as right and wrong.

>>171602726
Nice bait.

>>171603013

that's all he told me, the rest I got through extensive research. there are a lot of japanese magazine articles that go into a lot more depth than anything we get here, a guy was posting them a couple days ago.

Any tips for Blackflame Friede? I've got the first 2 phases down pretty good, but I get obliterated in the third.

>>171603063
Why are miya suckers always little shits?

>>171602563
It's good not to talk about this stuff until well after the DLC is released, that way you don't end up in a vaatividya.

>>171603160
Vordt's is also stylish as hell
Actually Vordt's is one of those weapons that never made sense to me. Like yeah, you can stick a status effect on an ultra, but don't expect it to ever actually inflict that status. Yet if you compare it to the greatclub, it clearly lost a lot of AR to pay for its frost buildup despite that status having 0 value on an ultra.

Like, having a useless status effect on something that can't use it for flavour and lore reasons, I understand, but why factor it into damage balance when it clearly doesn't contribute anything?

>>171603313
Play super passively. You can pretty much dodge her indefinitely and she can really only hit you if you're carelessly trying to attack and fuck up at hitting her to interrupt her attacks.

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Anyone has the pastebin of it?

>>171603217
>it looks like she's ousted a previous lady of the painting and taken her place
Considering the Scythe and the invisibility, this would be Priscilla right?
Any connection between the Corvians and the Crow Demons from DaS I?

>>171603715
Thank you
I think I'm gonna go with Vilheim set, I can se the neck on the right and it's a bit to bright compared to the silver mask

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>>171600135
setting aside the fact that video game awards are a bought out circlejerk
>GOTY awards
utterly meaningless today, games are given GOTY awards before they even come out and they're even given GOTY awards if they're complete shit

>>171603451

Because From develops things within certain parameters such as optimal AR, weight and status effects and tries to keep things within certain parameters. It's why FUGS had so much AR prior to the huge nerf of it because it was the highest weight weapon in the game, same for the Carthus Curved Sword pre-nerf since that was the heaviest curved sword. To them adding a status effect on an ultra even if it is functionally useless means it has to suffer an AR penalty to compensate.

>>171603842
If you want any other combination then just give me a (you). I have pretty much every piece of armor.

>>171601103
3 to 5 bosses.

>>171604094
Thats nice of you. I'm sure I'm going to use the silver mask, Lucathiel headpiece have a nice hat but I don't like the mask.
Maybe the Silver mask and the old sorceror set? I think it was Griggs set from dark souls 1
Silver mask and Drakeblood set
Silver mask and Leather armor set

That's all I think.
I might go with the full Leohnard set in the end

>>171603217
Its kinda explained that when the old world rots, they create a new painting, and move to that one instead. So yes, burning the rotten one is the right choice. Stop trying too force ambiguity where there is non.

>ywn chill in a place this comfy
Feels bad

>>171601673

The theme is constant no matter what. There will always be detrimental effects for prolonging any Age, and there will always be people who prefer you destroy it, like the slab Corvian, and the ones who would prefer it this way, like the rotting bed Corvian. Our world is the same.

In addition, if you've picked up on it, the other theme is that of how each world isn't inherently perfect; the grass is always greener. The painting essentially reflects how an Age of Dark would be. It's cold, stagnant. However it is peaceful. But even peace has problems. Because life was too perfect, too pristine, you end up with people like Sulyvahn. These people never experience the pain of loss and grow up spoiled and curious for a life more chaotic. Sulyvahn became a sociopath essentially. Death meant nothing to him as a continued life had little meaning. He ended up enamored with the chaos of the Fire and all the changes it could bring about.

The grass is always greener, and peace is stagnant and boring. There is no heaven, just a different hell.

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>>171604805
>ywn snuggle up with a heretical sorcerer

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>>171604805
Forgot comfy pic

yfw the secret boss of The Ringed City is Bed of Chaos

>>171605053
No, it's going to be The Pain of Ages the name even makes sense desu

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>>171605053
NO

>>171603779
It's implied but nothing is ever confirmed. Fromsoft reference things from previous games constantly but the references don't have to mean that thing X IS thing Y, it can simply be a reference.

Behind Ariandel, in a sealed room, is a fake dragon tail prop. All through the DLC are statues and paintings of a woman, but the woman's face is destroyed on every image or model. Friede wears a hood which obscures her face, she's a swordswoman from the Sable church and not originally from the painting, she's changed her name, her set says she "assumed the precise form that they yearned for."

She's impersonating somebody, and it's not the painter because the painter doesn't have a tail, but we're not told who this person is. It could be Priscilla, it could be Yorshka, it could be Ariandel's former lover and Ariandel could be responsible for all of the statues and artwork. Ariandel could even have defaced them himself and wilfully deluded himself into accepting Friede as a substitute.

That's all speculation.

>>171605053
>the secret boss of The Ringed City

the primordial serpent hydra at the very absolute bottom of the world

>>171604983
I never notice before how those statues look like humanities.

>>171605197

Painter loli does have a tail. And that prop may not be a prop at all, and the "snakeskin" on there may be the real deal.

Would you have been more satisfied if Sister Friede and Ariandel were separate bossfight?
Sister Friede being a two phase boss only and Father Ariandel being it's own thing with a bigger moveset and a Ludwig tier second phase? and the possibility to create his cornflakes bowl as a boss weapon?

Dragons are related to stasis, a thing without change, more a force of nature than an actual being.

What if primordial serpents are the first beings who attempted to become like the dragons, except instead of understanding stasis, they became creatures of constant need for change and evolution? The opposite of the dragons, and have been pulling the strings of every single event, including the ignition of the first flame?

>>171605053

the secret final boss is the divine mother dragon, pure white and so big it sits inside of the skybox and you have to fight avatars that is spawns on a platform, which includes several bosses from all three games.

>>171604605
>and move to that one instead.
Oh come on this is fucking Dark Souls. They wouldn't even consider this storyline if it weren't at least this tragic.
What do you think happens? The fire clears the rot away and all of the residents just shack up in a motel for a few days before moving into a fresh new home? All of the blood shed and self flagellation was over not wanting to move house?
So by killing Friede you just create a true happy ending where all of the residents get to live on in peace and harmony? In a Fromsoft title? You clearly haven't been paying enough attention.

When the world rots we set it on fire, for the sake of the next world. They're all burned alive anon, even the little one. The painting will make somebody a goodly home some day. Not her though, she's fucked.

>>171605749

This isn't Final Fantasy. No.

>>171605756

the painter goes into the painting anon

>>171605560
>Bowl as a weapon
Don't get me wrong, the rose is pretty cool, but damn hitting fuckers with a big bowl and pouring lava everywhere would've been great.

>>171605749
we dmc now

>>171605474
Are you sure? I couldn't see one and the super long ponytail appeared to be a kind of reference to half-dragon tails as a substitute for the actual tail.

>>171605756

Nigga, the painting is another world. Where do you think that painting goes? In itself? The whole place can't get burned down.

>>171605053
Dark Lord Kaathe.

>>171605874

nig what you think the sun is

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Where can I find more people?
Around 80 in NG or
around 120 in NG+ and beyond?

Sometimes it feels like nobody's playing anymore. Starting to get bored. Don't wanna burn out before the last dlc.

>>171605917
I don't know how they would make it work though, I'm sure from wouldnt have made a whole new special categories of weapon.
I guess it would fit the Greathammer categories with a slighly altered moveset

>>171605691
>the dragons are jormungandr, they keep the world in place
>the primordial serpents are nighoggr, they desire to devour the sun
>the entire metaphysics of the souls series is just two serpents circling a void that turns light and dark over time.

>>171605975

Someone was able to check at some point and found that she had one.

>>171606020

An illusion covering the blackness behind it. This is common knowledge that it's an illusion.

>>171606047
I'm on sl100 and finding pretty consistent dorkwraiths to trash

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>>171606164

yeah yeah illusion, but that illusion is being created by something physical, where the trail ends, which is where you fight the final boss.

>>171605756
How is it a fucking happy ending you retard, when clearly there are some who does not fucking want the rot to end? And if they arent able to survive once the painting starts burning, how the fuck would the painter in the dlc be able create a new painting - which she explicity fucking says she will.
It would all be for naught.
Stop forcing your shitty headcanon, when you are the one who hasnt been paying attention faggot. Sure not all of them survives, but its pretty fucking explicit not all of them die. And even if they make a new world, that doesnt fucking mean they will be happy about it. If someone came and burned your shit down, and was like "uh welp, ill just buy you a new house" would you be accept it instantly and be like "ah no props bro". Ofc not, since its properly a place where you have spend the majority of your life.

>>171606247
ng or ng+?
Did the meta shift? I'm so out of the loop

>>171606359
have you ever seen a rainbow? same idea

sun is just melting into the atmosphere

>>171606370

you understand that the painter girl can fucking leave the painting, right?

>>171605691
>What if primordial serpents are the first beings who attempted to become like the dragons, except instead of understanding stasis, they became creatures of constant need for change and evolution?

>The serpent is an imperfect dragon and symbol of the Undead.

> A gold ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon.

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I say this as a guy that loves his DS2 but Frigid Outskirts is the worst. I'm considering just skipping Lud and Zallen.

>>171606370
What do you think about the fact that the corvian says the following upon death?

>"Yes, of course, as a burner of worlds should...Set fire to the rot..."

Is he just saying that he needs to go since he's infected?

>>171606508
Yes ofc. Why wouldnt she be? Im guessing everyone in the painting can leave if they want to. Most of them just dont, as they are forlorn, have no other place of belonging.

>>171606472

nig you damn well know that beam of light is going to be the secret final area we aren't allowed to know. we could literally fly up into the sun and fight the boss in a timeless white void for all we know for all we know.

>>171606656
Its the closest souls has come to survival horror. Just bring a group along. Suffer together!

>>171606656
It's all fairly painless with 3 phantoms present. Still the only boss in the entire series I've never beaten without summons.

>>171606538
>the abyss dragon is kaathe after he got gud but he lost his mind and so now wants everything to be a corrupted version of the age of ancients pt. 2 abyssal goo boogaloo

>>171599680
What are the best staffs for sorcery?

Crystal?

>>171606685
Yeah something like that. Im guessing he in a way, views himself/his state of being as filthy, and has accepted that. Which is why he is "understands" why the ashen one kills him. If you are that big of an asshole

>>171599981
try gr8tons mask and vilhelm set, possibly with replacement legs and arms

>>171606047
non-stop invasions in grand archives with +10 weapon sl 80

>>171606842
>Implying that this wasn't his goal all along.

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>>171606472

check out this DaS3 concept art, the sun is literally leaking corpses. I wouldn't be surprised if they revisit this kinda fucked concept.

who knows, maybe there's an entire area on the other side of the sun, like the mirror concept DaS2 touched on, which is where all the bodies are leaking into.

>>171606842

abyss dragon is an everlasting dragon that was corrupting. It's literally a copy of the everlasting dragon concept art.

>>171605890
Quite possibly, I'm getting hyperbolic because the happy ending idea is so unlikely. Ariamis was nowhere to be found however, and Ariandel is an odd case because it's implied that he restored the painting of Ariamis rather than creating a new painting.
Where exactly the painting goes, whether it even ends up in the "real" world, what can go into the painting and so on is all up in the air because we're dealing with magical plot devices involving alternate realities. What I can say though is that there's no situation where Fromsoft would write an objectively happy ending where you outright save the day.

>>171607083
>implying the wrong implication

>>171607145
>the sun is literally leaking corpses.

considering miyazaki is heavily influenced by medieval and occult text in the souls series it could just be the Door of Guf

>>171607016
I'll see this once I get back home in 2 weeks, I'll proably mismatch other equipement to Vinheim set to reduce the equip load or be more fashionable, Creighton helm is very nice but it's not what I am looking for
Jesus, I must soon leave dsg to avoid any other spoiler for the ring city

>>171607289
>considering miyazaki is heavily influenced by medieval and occult text in the souls series it could just be the Door of Guf
Well, Souls exclusively come from the first flame.

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>yfw the last boss is The Old One

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>having travelled over many lands and unwittingly through time, we come to the final chamber in the deepest part of the Ringed City
>Gael is already there
>raving, he says that he's "finally found it!" and reaches to take the Dark Soul
>contact with it instantly causes his humanity to run wild
>he transforms into a Manus-like beast
>fight is a brutal, four-stage affair as he continues to transform and mutate, and ultimately ingests the Dark Soul itself to power up
>upon his defeat, his body shatters into uncountable pieces, and with it, so does the Dark Soul
>one of these fragments winds up in you, as others wind up in humans throughout time
>because Gael was Undead, part of the curse is carried with these fragments
>this is why the Dark Soul is spread throughout humanity, and why the Undead curse exists
>it's all a stable time loop
>because everything runs in a cycle
>everything is circular
>just like a ring

I think this DLC is getting more hyped then the actual base game. This is the end of Dark Souls m8's :(

>>171606370
>The existential question of whether the world is worth saving and whether life really needs to continue has been replaced by concerns about your house and property burning down.
That's real fucking romantic, we should make a dark high fantasy videogame about it.

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how much i'm fucking it up?
done with the sinner not having fun so far

>>171607464
how the flame got there is never explained; it just 'is', so to consider where the flame came from would be something extremely interesting and help conclude the series.

>yfw the primordial serpents created division in the world, and this division sparked the flame as souls poured in from a lower and higher reality of pure energy.

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>use dried finger to make second playthrough more interesting
>get invaded by 2 reds
>instead of bumrushing me they spam friendly gestures and bow for duels

why are invaring reds now huge faggots who deny me the excitement of a challenge? and why did everyone fall for the "be friendly and drop items if you invade new players" meme? honour babbies ruined invasions

>>171607748
Level ADP and VIT. You need those rolls and the HP.

>>171601812
>>171601470
>>171601194
what was it? some real-life aldrich-tier morbidly obese dude?

>>171607289
>Door of Guf

>The peculiar idiom of describing the treasury of souls as a "body" may be connected to the mythic tradition of Adam Kadmon, the primordial man. Adam Kadmon, God's "original intention" for humanity, was a supernal being, androgynous and macro-cosmic (co-equal in size with the universe). When this Adam sinned, humanity was demoted to the flesh and blood, bifurcated and mortal creatures we are now. According to Kabbalah, every human soul is just a fragment (or fragments) cycling out of the great "world-soul" of Adam Kadmon. Hence, every human soul comes from the guf [of Adam Kadmon].

so the sun itself is the remains of dark soul? when the world goes dark it starts to leak, and more humans/humanity is born.

This is why Ornstein is called the first knight of the suns eldest born. Gwyn is literally the first human to be born from the sun.

this could explain the usurpation of fire ending, where Lilliane asks us to make Londor whole. the progenitor being who became the sun could be named Londor, which is why so many cities are named after him.

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>>171607639

>>171607748
I think you need more Armas and BNF fuego, a little less Peso Equ. and about twice as much Estabilidad.

>>171607986
now you're thinking!!

>>171602409
[shooting stars playing in the background]

>>171607896
Autism plagues this series.

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>>171607942
was leveling vit but . it seems to scale worse each time so was using it less and going more for strenght , adp really?

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>>171607986
>Adam Kadmon, the primordial man
hmm....

>>171607986
the sun is the first flame, gwyn could be the first being born from it and so took the most from it and understood it the best. as more and more souls dissapated there was a dichotomy of light and dark, etc.

when the flame fades, the sun goes into an eclipse. think of the world of dark souls like a moebius strip centered around the gravity of the first flame, with countless worlds about it. when the flame is lit, the world is relaxed, the strip is perfectly soft. when the flame goes out, the moebius strip withers and shrinks, causing the worlds to converge and time to be convoluted.

>>171607986
Good ideas.
Also explains why that after we link the flame in the first, normal ending, nothing seems to work and the sky & sun stay the same. The cycle was left to go for too long, not even the player can kindle the flame at all, and the sun still exists to leak humans/humanity as normal in its cycle

Is it safe to assume that the demon scars scaling will come primarily from the faith/int side rather than the dex side? I've got 20 dex on my pyro but don't want to go higher.

>>171607986
I think you might be onto something, but isn't "sun's eldest born" supposed to be Nameless King? IIRC Ornstein was his first knight.

>>171608402

there's not enough energy left in the world to link it. no more kingdoms, no more heroes.

the kiln in DaS3 implies that lothric is the last kingdom, and it's likely that the player is the last person to link the flame.

remember, jewish tradition does not consider the guf to be infinite; eventually the souls run out, and when this happens the world ends.

>>171607671
Good job responding to my argument.

Theres no ambiguity when it comes to the DLC. Friede is an ass, and so are the corvian knights, it gets spelled out pretty fucking clearly. Now fuck off with your headcanon

>>171606424
ng

>>171608402
dont forget, gwyn linked the first flame to humanity, so this explains why now the cycle is like it is, with the sun spewing humanity.

the usurpation of fire has the player taking the last of that flame for their own, and the white halo around the sun, or where the center of the universe is, is now back to being some form of pure primal force, but different than anything before it.

>>171608489
gwyn is the sun because he took the most from the first flame, its essence, its light. nameless king is the eldest, yes.

>>171608451
It casts pyro's so yes. It only makes sense it will scale off of int/fai.

bone fist in das3 pls from pls

>>171608635
>eventually the souls run out

yes, the souls run out, but they have to be extinguished first. with the cycle of fire being bound to the dark soul, the oversoul of all mankind, and the usurpation of the remainder of the flame, the collective of humanity can continue the course of nature, as they are now just the fragmented oversoul bound to nothing.

>>171608489

this annoys me because gwyn was literally never called the sun ever at any point, people just assume it means nameless king when ornstein was always the captain of gwyn's four knights.

I consider the entire sentence a red herring.

>>171607952
Basically. You'll probably find the webm on /gif/.

>>171608665
>gwyn is the sun because he took the most from the first flame, its essence, its light. nameless king is the eldest, yes.

Oh, got it now.

So the great lords found their souls in the flame. Did other creatures also get their souls their? Like the silver knights?

And with humans is their soul hunanity or something else because in DS1 you find the soul of a lost undead or whatever and it's just the white souls rather than any humanity.

>>171608809

they can't continue the cycle if none of the souls are strong enough, that's the entire point of unkindled ash concept.

there were only 1 soul left that could link the flame, prince lothric, and you used it, and it barely did anything.

the world is dead

>>171608920

white souls are just pieces of humanity so small and insignificant that you can't see the dark

>>171608881
gwyn is essentially satan, which fits well with the soul's series take on whats good and whats evil

>>171608920
i think its more like the flame was formed from the dichotomy of the primordial serpents, and from this the flame was born, but as soon as it was began to gutter out. the parts it spit out were soul fragments, and from those fragments, beings were born. gwyn was the biggest and brightest, with the dark soul being a weird sort of nega flame.

>>171608983
yes, they cant continue the cycle, because when you usurp the fire, you go beyond the cycle of light and dark, since you the player are carrying the last sparks of the flame.

Is Pursuers Greatsword infuseable? I just smacked his shit in with my cleric and that sword is fuckin rad. Should I use it or Lost Sinners?

>>171608652
Isn't there a section were a Corvion Knight slaughters a group of innocent bird people for the hell of it?

>>171608302
It scales equally until you hit level 20, then it scales slightly not as good until the cap at 40 or 50. You level it anyways unless you want to get one-shotted by bosses all the time.

And ADP affects your roll i-frames, if you want to be able to dodge shit with your rolls, you pay the Adaptability tax.

>>171609270
Yes, its right after the bonfire when you enter the town

>>171609214

you're putting too much weight on the serpents, which are comparable at best to a fallen angel. they didn't create the world.

>>171609214

I'm not talking about the usurpation of fire ending, my point is that whatever ending you pick it ends pretty much the same. the flame isn't going to last forever just because you picked it up, you didn't suddenly become unkillable.

>>171609315
well fuck me , whose retarded idea was to make a stat affect iframes

so let me get this straight:

some primordial being containing the singular soul commited the sin of learning the knowledge of good and evil, got turned into the sun, and just kinda shits out humans until the end of time?

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>>171609112
But the white bit is just a thin outer layer, the 2 look nothing alike.

>>171609249
lightning infused sinner's with sunlight blade rapes. i'm pretty sure that the moveset is the same, so if you're going for fai opt for that

>>171609586
That's all speculation. I haven't seen anyone come up with any actual evidence to support it.

>>171609590
>the dark of humanity was sealed by fire all along
Man, it was right in front of our eyes.
The "fleeting form" Aldia shouted about was this all along. If fire is the outside, then it's the thing that gives people their form: a living prison to formless, unliving darkness.

>>171609675
Sweet. Should I level str to the softcap or just base requirements and max fai?

>>171609389
>it ends pretty much the same.

>kindle the fire and other endings
>cycle continues for a little while

>usurp the fire ending
>eat the flame, the last of the fire is in you, but the cycle is broken

>>171609389
>they didn't create the world.

yes, which is why i said they created dichotomy in the world. they wanted to be like the dragons, but failed, and thus became the first things to change, and thus because of this change to the never ending age of ancients, caused some strange rip in reality and ignited the first flame. world was there, they just started some shit, as always.

>too much weight on the serpents

this is personal taste, but to me makes the most sense considering how old the serpents are implied to be and how ominous their presence is throughout the entire series; they aren't explained at all because they rely on the old 'what isnt told about the scary thing makes it scarier'.

>>171609816
it's ds2, so go to 50 str and faith

>>171609731
I feel like you've just dropped a bombshell that I haven't comprehended yet. Are you saying humanity is literally a piece of dark shackled with souls?

>>171609816
base. physical returns are shit in 2 unless you have at least A scaling in str or S scaling in dex

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Has the Bloodlust WA glitched been patched yet?

>>171609886
"The shackle of the gods"

>>171609886
>"Peace grants men the illusion of life.
Shackled by falsehoods, they yearn for love, unaware of its grand illusion."
Giving humans 'souls' and thus peace is just a delusion and shackle from the gods (Gwyn etc.)

>>171609731
Fire is conical in its structure, so inside of a flame is colder and darker than the outside of the flame.

>>171609842

you place way too much importance on the serpents

>fire is within you
>you peer into your soul and go mad like manus did
>go wild, your soul goes flying everywhere
>people pick up the pieces, can do whatever they want with it
>including relinking the flame

cycle not broken, if anything it extends it. the first flame is literally just a bonfire, a person could remake it if they so chose to do so.

>>171608652
I disagree. Be burned to ashes or clinging to a (albeit painful) existence isn't an super obvious choice.
>>171609270
Because they are heading for the painter which the knights are protecting/isolating

>>171609886
Yeah, that's pretty much it. Look at Manus' soul. It's humanity aka darkness unshackled from the souls holding it.

>>171609870
>>171609901
I-I don't know who to believe REEEEE

>>171609886

yes, and everyone has it, which is why artorias was susceptible. lord souls, and the first flame itself, are just dark souls that have been burned, and that fire can be put out.

>>171610126
but manus wasn't harboring the last of the first flame, his humanity was just driven wild.

humanity is linked to the flame but isn't of the flame; its an entirely different thing from fire. the two go back and forth because gwyn made it so when he linked humanity to the first flame.

you're not being logical in your thinking at all about this.

What's the coolest looking armor set and why is it the Soul of Cinders?

>>171610249
both are right

scaling is bad in ds2 but you should stack the stats anyway since level means nothing

>TRC update secretly adds in Old Monk-style PvP for Champion's Gravetender
>Play as the Gravetender in someone else's world by equipping Watchdogs of Farron inside of the boss area (after defeating the Gravetender yourself of course)

>>171610249
Also I intend on using my mace and maybe another str weapon infused with lightning so I don't know whether the levels in str will be worth it

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whats a good level for getting summoned as a darkmoon blade?

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>>171609956
>>171610082
>>171610159
>>171610348
Shiieeeeet. So how do embers play into this? They look like humanity with the souls outer layer gone and the dark literally on fire. Can you even do that? Set fire to pure darkness?

>>171610396
That's not the Fallen Knight Set

>>171610368

the first flame is literally a burning human corpse, of the kind seen several times in other areas. the first flame is kindled from the dark soul

>>171610396
Cuz it's all warped and charred and shit. Also light weight with decent defenses, and it has cloth bits hanging off it

>>171610470
>Can you even do that? Set fire to pure darkness?
Why do you think we burned humanity at bonfires in 1?

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>>171610441
>Darkmoon Blade
>getting summoned

But seriously, best luck I've had is around the 50-60 range, when Aldrichfags are also in prime hunting territory.

>>171610151
There pathetic creatures that are dragging themselves on the ground, that clearly pose no threat to anyone, yet the monstrous bird knight slaughter them without remorse.

>>171610501
No in the intro it's just a bed of fire. It's only a bonfire much much later after Gwyn linked it.

But wait, if he linked it to humanity maybe you're right and he did so through putting it in/burning someones corpse.

>>171610470

actually

embers are the dark soul reigniting as the brand of the gods begins to die. the flame gwyn created burns away mankinds soul. the first flame is the shackle.

>>171609270
Yes, so at this point we're well past the idea that this is all about wanting to keep your house intact. If you want a pet theory I think this scene is about the corvians trying to reach either the painter, or possibly the chapel for the way of the white. The little chapel is behind a locked gate, the paths both in front and over the gate are guarded by knights, there are 2 knights in the chapel, and corvians are trying to sneak up through the well behind the chapel. This is the type of church Gael prays in, so you can assume it's the religion of the locals, and I think they're being prevented from reaching it for some reason. Maybe they're trying to pray for fire/another ash. Gael who was able to leave the painting is doing the same thing in a different chapel.

The locals seem set on burning the world away, talky corvian says "it's the one thing WE do right". If they were able to just leave the painting, and their main concern was being killed by knights, then they'd just leave the painting. They certainly wouldn't be crawling to their certain death in a futile attempt to set everything on fire.

>Theres no ambiguity
Where on earth is there no ambiguity you fucking clown.

>>171610540
But if humanity is just dark wrapped in souls and we can burn the dark bit then why do we need to link it? Can't we just chuck darkness into it?

>>171610501
no its not. the first flame was just that, a flame, a huge surplus of energy in a static world.

gwyn linked the flame to burn from humans and humanity because he took so much from the flame to fuel himself, which is why he was able to split his soul over and over as 'gifts' as a sort of insurance policy.

gwyn is the reason the fire died, and probably the reason the first flame spat out the dark soul to begin with; it too wanted an insurance policy because gwyn is a massive shit and wanted to rule the world as a god, and did.

>>171610614
I think the implication is that the fire has only lasted this long because we keep fuelling it with humans.

>>171610249
It's simple. Get base physical stats and pump what else you need for now. If you plan on slapping on agape to pvp, stay like that. If not and just going through the game, you want to eventually get all your stats to 50 (major softcap) then 99 because lmao soul memory. >>171610348
>yes, and everyone has it, which is why artorias was susceptible.
no, artorias was susceptible exactly because he didn;t have it. elizabeth states it outright

>>171610532
And don't forget the crown being incorporated on the helmet.

>>171610751

there is a finite amount of everything. if we burn away enough dark, maybe we will usher in an age of gray.

>>171610614
>he did so through putting it in/burning someones corpse.

Well, the Furtive Pygmy had to disappear somehow, right?

>>171610484
I used to love the fallen knight set.
Then I read the flavour text and discovered the owner pissed and maybe shit himself in fear during combat. Enjoy your pissy pants armour.

>>171610652
>embers are the dark soul reigniting as the brand of the gods begins to die
didn't the description of ringed knight's sword say something like that? the seal breaks but only momentarily, allowing it to show its true form?

>>171610470
When you ember, the fire is visible on your outside (and I guess it makes your outside tougher since it boosts your HP), so maybe it's just the exterior that's burning like that. Instead of a blazing white ring, you just have embers of fire licking across the surface?

>>171610847
>those frosted tips are laaaame as fuck

>>171610751
Because the dark and humanity are the same. It's called the Dark Soul of Man, remember?
And sure we could just chuck small humanities into the First Flame, thats how we kindle bonfires afterall but the First Flame needs way more fuel than just little pieces of humanity.
And thats why we have to link it, you don't die immediatly you slowly burn out from the inside as your humanity is consumed.

>>171610751
you need to link it because of gwyn taking part of a portion of the dark soul, along with the remaining flame within himself, and linked the flame for the very first time like that.

>>171610865
>gwyn killed the furtive pygmy himself by throwing him and himself into the first flame, the dark soul dissipating and forming the weirdo shackled dark soul we see in humanity

we cracked the code guys

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>>171607145
>DaS3 concept art
Not concept art, it's leaked shit that was not meant to be released to the press.

>sun is literally leaking corpses
Actually, in Bloodborne they use the same thing kinda, The One Reborn is a pile of corpses that is born from the Blood moon but it's the moon instead of the sun

>>171610887
>use Fallen Knight chestpiece and helmet
>wear different leggings

Problem solved, mate.

>>171611050
>forming the weirdo shackled dark soul

wait, so we've never actually seen the true dark soul? just the wild humanity of manus being unbound from his shackles? like a forced evolution sort of thing?

how do you get rid of the shackles and have pure uncontaminated dark? was the original deep like this?

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>>171610864
That's both retarded and genius at the same time.
>>171610865
Wtf I love /dsg/ now. Seriously that would be the coolest shit, finding out that Gwyn linked the flame to humanity by chucking the biggest source of humanity, the dark soul into it.
>>171611047
Shieeeet. So the brand of the undead is the flame burning away at our core, possibly the white part of our dark Souls?
>>171611050
If he burned himself and his lord soul plus the dark soul, why don't the gods species have their souls sapped like we do? Their respective lord soul was chucked into the fire as well so the same thing should happen right?

>>171611437

>why don't the gods species have their souls sapped like we do

gwyn gave his lord soul away, remember? all he was left with was his humanity.

>>171611053
I think that's implied to be the remains of the school of Mensis after they projected themselves into nightmare and returned from it via rebirth. They are "The Ones Reborn", where other localizations have the plural, and this is where the line "resulted in the still-birth of their brains" comes from. They were reborn, but reborn as a fused pile of braindead corpses. Their brains never left the nightmare.

>>171611596
>his humanity.
Anon...

>>171611437
No the undead curse is the exact oposite it is the dark leaking from the mortal shackle or as Aldia said it's man trying to assume its original form. Thats why we call hollows hollows thy spill their insides.
That leak however makes undead ideal fuel.

>>171611437
>the gods species have their souls sapped like we do?

they didnt, just people with the true dark soul within them, if there even were any people like this, died out. so the new shackled dark soul took its place, and the souls of the gods remained as they were.

you forget, the dark soul is the only real fragment of a great loud soul. for all we know, the souls we receive from killing bosses or gods are just fragments of the souls of the lesser beings they killed, a soul made of lesser souls, but not a great soul.

>>171611596
gwyn didnt have humanity, he was just the holder of the soul of light. its a play on words.

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>>171611437
>>171611640
>>171611670


looks pretty undead to me.

>>171611774
Next you'll tell me the giants are undead

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>>171611774
Well, it makes sense in Nameless King's case, given he's half-god and half-human.

What, you didn't think the Furtive Pygmy was male, did you?

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>>171611347
The abyss is what causes souls to go awry. Artorias' soul shows his normal shackled soul covered by the abyss apart from a tiny spot in the middle. This is shown by him keeping his normal form and even using his sword - he hasn't had the shackles removed (the white part of his soul)

Manus' soul on the other hand has been completely taken over. There is no shackle, his black humanity inside has spewed out of his soul, and he's taken a monstrous form - perhaps a true form

>>171611437
>finding out that Gwyn linked the flame to humanity by chucking the biggest source of humanity, the dark soul into it.

considering how deep we are going geographically speaking in the DLC, and hot air rises, we might find the dark soul in its original form after thousands of years of cycles.

energy doesn't disappear, it just dissipates.

>>171611774

He's Hollow, not Undead.

There's a difference.

>/dsg/ on DS3 concepts like dark firelink
>nobody knows wtf is going on, vagueness and contradictions everywhere
>/dsg/ on DS1 concepts like humanity and the nature of the flame
>(mostly) fucking amazing discussion

This is what gets me excited for Miyazakis next big game series. New lore seperate to what we already know. (Haven't played bb)

>>171611902
Fuck off Vaati, you just had to ruin this discussion.

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>>171611604
>their faces when concocting this places

>>171611347

The Dark Soul was shown in the intro to the first Dark Souls. It looks like a regular flame. It became black for reasons.

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>>171611825

the gray giants are nephilim from Abrahamic lore, beings descended directly from the sons of god. the nephilim became smaller over generations through breeding with humans, which is where people like smough, artorias, etc. come from.

>>171611902

even gwyn looks like that. the secret is that everyone is human, some are just more special than others. the dark soul is shackled to create slaves, which is why they are different.

>>171611963
Why though? Gwyn immolated his shit up. NK didn;t

>>171611934
artorias wasnt a human, though. he was some god race, which had zero humanity. nary an inkling of dark and all that.

>>171612097
the reasons were to offset gwyn's huge chunk of the first flame he shoved up his ass.

>>171611996

What gets me most excited is that it will be a game with lore thought out ahead of time, unlike Dark Souls which was really just meant for one game, with the rest of this lore tacked on. That's why there's so many problems with it.

>>171611934
But his normal soul doesn't have dark right?
Elizabeth says
>with nary a hint of dark in him
Or something.

Or do you mean his case is a reverse humanity with his white soul shackled by the dark of the abyss?

>>171611963
If he is Hollow, then why does he look so sad and downcast when his stormdrake died?

>>171611996
>(Haven't played bb)
Well change that, faglord

>>171612214
Yep, the lore in DeS, Bloodborne and DaS1 is fantastic.

>>171612145

The Fire fading causes the illusion of life to fade, revealing every entities' true forms. All being are Hollows, the Fire just hides it with the veneer of something else. That's been known since DS1.

Undead simply come back to life.

>>171612145
People go Hollow when they've lost their purpose. Being the god of war, bereft of one's armies and with no one around to even remember your name would probably lead to that.

>>171612263

hollows are not mindless, many just go insane. there were sane hollows in every game, including the player character.

to be hollow is the true nature of man, or some shit.

>>171611996
Go away 1 faggot.

>>171612140
>breeding with humans

no, the god race just kept breeding and became smaller, their souls dissipating with each generation.

then again, size doesnt seem to mean jack in dark souls.

>>171612263
Dragon dildos don't compare to the real deal boi.
>>171612301
Due to...circumstances I may have the opportunity to borrow someones ps4 for a week and play it nonstop like I did for demons souls. Here's hoping things work out.

>>171612263

He's obviously not entirely hollowed. Look at the Hollow merchants in DS1 and throughout the games. There's different levels of Hollowing.

>>171610441
I've heard people say that got constant summons at 30, 60, and 120

None have worked well for me.

>>171612337

everyone becomes undead, eventually. in a world without disparity, you cannot die, or truly live. the undead in DaS are just harbingers.

>>171612462
you ever consider that maybe he is just really old? a few thousand years will do that to you.

>>171612514

No, specifically the Darksign allows them to come back, whatever that really is. It is implied that the Dark within the Darksign is what allows them to come back, so long as they don't give up.

I'm half expecting Miyazaki to pull a
>there was a SUPER SECRET 5th lord soul all along!
Rather than actually tell us about the furtive pygmy

>>171612402

I'm talking about abrahamic lore, in judaism the nephilim shrank as the "sons of god came into the daughters of man".

there's a reason the dark is always more closely tied to women, it ties into this concept. the nephilim bred with humanity, which caused them to become human, in time, until the nephilim ceased to exist.

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>>171611996
3 has the best lore in the city. Yhorm, The Abyss Watchers, Ludleth, Angels, and the Princes. It also actually made the Daemons interesting.

>>171612680
you forget miyazaki just took ideas but didnt understand them; for them to a play by play wouldnt make any sense as everything in dark souls is just a convolution of continental medieval text with some shinto elements here and there

>>171612680

>came into the daughters of man

Lewd.

>>171612675

>implying that is the twist
>implying the twist isn't that the dark soul is just a lord soul shackled by the gods, and this shackle is the only reason there is an age of dark in the first place.

>>171612675
And that Lord is Velka.
But no, really, just make Seath be behind everything, I'd be entirely okay with it as far as shocking swerves go.

>>171612609
Didn't Gundyr plug his darksign with the coiled sword when he got to Firelink and realised he couldn't do anything there, to stop the spread of the Pus of Man?

Does this play into the whole darksign dark soul thing? For example, why did plugging his darksign stop the Pus of Man from 'taking him over' (which you let free once you take it out in the future), and what is the Pus of Man?

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>>171612675
>4 with the hidden 5th
I know a lot of you guys don't want to accept it but 4 with the hidden 5th is the running theme of the franchise.

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>>171612675
>Rather than actually tell us about the furtive pygmy

I dunno, man. We've already seen some groundswell about pygmies, what with the Ringed City being gifted to them by Gwyn. That says to me that we're going to get some tidbits about exactly what the relationship between Gwyn and said Pygmies was.

Granted, it's still all but guaranteed to give more questions than answers, but that's par for the course.

>>171612853
Pus of man is rampant humanity. The darksign leaks humanity till you go hollow. So you plug the leak and the humanity that's raving inside of you grows more and more rampant till it eventually bursts as the pus of man.

It's the same core concept as why Manus went mad but slightly different.

>>171612853
Isnt it an Abyss parasite?

Dark Souls 1 fags are too busy stroking Kaathe's dick to see the dark, and the Abyss are the route cause of basically every conflict in the Souls universe. Its fucking evil.

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>>171612853

pus of man is dark gone wild

the pus is turning into a dragon anon. note the dragon horns and cripple wings. humanity are the children of dragons, which gwyn actively denied them. beings like priscilla and yorshka are deific entities from what humanity was before Gwyn sealed it and created the dark soul. the serpents are evil beings who hate dragons and don't want what's best for mankind

>>171612853

The Pus of Man is apparently some next level shit that we had no idea the Darksign was capable of. This is the first time we've seen the Fire fade this far, and the farther it fades the more Dark starts to react to it. Apparently it's the Dark within the Darksign that goes wild out of anger.

As for the Coiled Sword, I'm not sure. It's possible since we killed him in the past he was turned into a bonfire only to get resurrected with it stuck in him when the bell was tolled, which we don't even know who did it. That was what Gundyr was supposed to do or something. We don't even know why Bonfires even appear when something dies.

None of it seems to make any sense.

>>171610151
>Because they are protecting the painter
>BEING THIS DELUSIONAL WITH YOUR OWN HEADCANON

The painter is locked up you fucking imbecile, because Friede DOES NOT WANT A NEW PAINTING. The knights are slaying the other corvians, because they have different views on the painting philosophy, and has chosen to serve Friede - who has chosen rot over something new.

>>171613204
So basically, as the fire dims, abyssal monstrosities grow in power and number?

>>171613124
>path of the dragon is all about ascending to dragon hood
>oceiros was obsessed with becoming a dragon
>lothric kingdom reared dragons
>you don't see any breeding facilities but mysteriously hollows bursting into pus of man, especially in the consumed kings garden
>oceiros experimented on humans and turned them into dragons, the end result being the wyverns we see being fags all over lothric

>>171613087
the abyss is the dark after the linking of the fire; the oversoul shattered it reacted violently with any humanity it came in contact with as it lacked humanity.

the deep is looking to be the original intention of the dark; a peaceful gentle place where things from above return to below. the deep we have in das3 tho was corrupted by aldritch with shit and piss and bodies, as the cathedral of the deep overlooks a chasm.

perhaps the deep in game was the start of the dark soul starting to gather in one spot and assuming its natural form; but aldritch's fat goo ass fucked it up.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeeTgSw1a2I

What do you think, /dsg/ ?

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So, place your bets.

>>171613425
Yup, which is ironic since the fire needs to fade for humanity to gain power.

>>171613520
>fat goo ass
the true final boss

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Whats a good level 30ish pvp wizard build for ds3 ?

>>171613425

Basically. There is some credence to the theory that they are related to Dragons. The Wyverns in Lothric sprout these same things. Serpents are imperfect dragons that are symbols of the undead. Plus as >>171613124 said they have some hard characteristics that seem to also be draconic.


These also seem to grow out of people just like the Angels/Butterflies do? Dunno what that is about.

>man breaks the cycle
>the shackles are broken
>slowly and gently live in the dark
>become dragons over time
>they become one with nature
>shackles are further broken, the white of the light ascending to the top of the world
>the dark settles below
>the inbetween becomes where the new dragons dwell
>the humanity that went wild before all this made hollows into trees
>the dragons live in the future past
>no time

>>171613646
>Bamco know has confirmation of a definite entrance location
Neat, took 'em long enough.
I'm assuming it'll be in Lothric Castle, since that gives players the early-access option.

I think the other most likely entrance is Anor Londo. IIRC there was one anon way, way back that speculated about a deep-related DLC where we experience a 'vision' of the future a la Aldrich and make our way down through a ruined Lothric towards the abyss. I recall it now only because what we know of TRC is sounding uncannily similar and it makes me think that an Aldrich-related entrance point is really likely.

>>171613646
You know, I'm starting to get a little suspicious.
For all intents and purposes it honestly looks as if the entrance point to the DLC is being kept as some sort of grand secret, considering they would rather reveal one of the goddamn boss fights than saying where the player has to go to in order to access it.

But from just looking at the game I can't imagine any more perfect location to access the DLC from than the Flameless Shrine/Kiln of the First Flame, in the empty sequence between leaving the shrine and teleporting to the Kiln bonfire. But if that would indeed be the case, then why all the secrecy?

>>171613785
>the Angels/Butterflies

the butterflies and angels might be some londor shit in terms of gradually drawing out the dark and assuming a true form of sorts, letting the nature of the dark progress gently.

>>171613646
Thank god they aint locking it behind an ending. Our community manager is the best!

>>171613819

You forgot:

Chaos turned into giant trees similar to Ash Lake before it the flame died out and they just became dead trees.

>>171613381
Calm down ya big baby. I'm saying they're keeping the other corvians away from everything that might enable them to initiate the cleansing fire like the lever, the painter and ariandel himself, so we basically agree geez. I never said they were the good guys just speculating why the knights were slaughtering every bird person walking towards the gate.

>>171614072

That's a good point. The natural Dark seems fine. In Dark Firelink there's no Pus of Man or anything, just calm. Things are stronger, but not out of control.

>>171613646

the bonfire that warps you to the kiln now has a secondary option to warp you to the dreg heap

>>171613646

>say nothing
>already said too much

>>171614108
maybe the trees are just calcified souls? maybe the trees we see hollows becoming are their souls being calcified by their shackles, and the age of ancients was really just a bunch of wiseguys as dragons sitting around on the remains of eons of conflict?

shackled dark soul/soul let to die out naturally calcifies over time, and thus the trees are made?

>>171614013
They keep the entrance point, and any other sensitive information, under wraps until release. It's always been like that. They'll reveal the entrance just before the DLC when gaming press get to post their reviews.

That guy is just a community manager so he has no clout or say in what gets revealed and what doesn't. He gets a list of things he's allowed to disclose and will lose his job if he discloses anything more. It's not like the entrance is a particular secret, but it's a secret on the same level as "what are the stats of the demon scar?"

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>>171613646
Same thing I've been touting since the beginning: it'll be in the Flameless Shrine, if for no other reason than to give that area some fucking purpose.

>>171614074
Who even came up with that insane idea, anyway.

>>171606656
My summons never make it and i cant solo that boss. Only one i couldn't beat

>>171613750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka1ap_t_PZ8

>>171614563
Some retards forgot that the darksign sun appears after killing 3 lords of cinder so started panicking. That and getting confused with the usurpations sun.

My theory is that someones just concern trolling.

>>171602409
>>171608109
Someone please. Either that or treasure opening from LoZ.

>>171614381

I don't know the exact mechanics, but what you do need to understand is that Hollows, which is what everyone is underneath the Flame-illusion, are made of wood. Props on the stage of life. Empty puppets that Souls gave personality, and Fire gave "life." But life is a lie, though some people would gladly take life and death to the alternative.

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That feel when you get a fanmail.. Honestly, this made my day.

>>171614381
what if the shackle souls becoming trees is just nature being pissed that something it begat was shackled?

what if things progressed naturally and the age of ancients itself was a biblically manufactured "before time" scenario where the cycle of light and dark concluded in stasis?

considering the mobius strip idea, what if all the world focused into a single, timeless point. all the universes are barren with trees made from shackled souls, and the dragons are infact humans just chilling?

what if the mobius strip dried out so hard it rubbed itself and the fire started, nature attempting to correct itself but then gwyn held that shit back again so now its regressing to try it again? what if the natural course of the universe is to just fade out into nothing, like the real universe?

>>171614932

I always say something like "go tell your therapist."

That always gets them.

>>171613819
>>171613457
>>171614072

So we've got a fair bit of knowledge about the Pus of Man - abyss gone wild via the Darksign, since the fire is fading so much.

What about other things humans "turn into"?

>High Wall - Tree-like corpses with branches
>Turning into humanoid dragons via the stones
>Lothric Castle - The floating things that fire meatballs at you during Dragonslayer Armor
>Undead Settlement - Corpses completely turned into roots (eg. one in the chair at the start)
>Dreg Heap - Pilgrims turning into the 'angels'

How do all of these fit into the story?

>>171615005

Or something that makes more sense:

What if the First Flame was just a Fire that a Dragon breathed?

>>171615136
the arch trees are made of hollows

the great hollow

>>171603751
>assblasted into oblivion

>>171615136
Hollows turn into things based on their environment and magical influence.

High wall hollows are all reaching towards the castle. They want to reach out to it but can't, so they grow their limbs towards it until they're tree-like and ironically rooted.
Stones are dragon magic
The Pilgrim Butterflies are supposedly related to the londor pilgrims but we won't really know more until the DLC
Tree dudes in the chairs at the undead settlement were probably either worshiping the greatwood or else influenced by its curses and just ended up as tree-people
And angel pilgrims will require we wait until the DLC, too

>>171615073
Wow dude, how original.
>>171614932
Well timed r1 to r1 combos are the best
>>171603751
Just punch a few words in fireden

>>171615136
Maybe the tree hollows in the high wall and the tree corpses/skeletons in undead settlement are seperate. The ones in US seem to be closer to a fungal infection whilst the hollows in the high wall are actually turning into pilgrim butterflys. The initial stages look like tress but you can see the transformation better if you look carefully.

I propose that pilgrim butterflys are a corrupted version of what humans can ascend to, maybe angels maybe dragons due to some unknown interference.

>>171615229

Basically this.

Hollows came from the Dark. Probably splinters of the Great Hollow trees, that were once Hollows themselves.

Final boss isMan, the Great Hollowan Archtree.

>>171615136
>>High Wall - Tree-like corpses with branches

hollows with so little flame left in them but their humanity gradually comes out and they calcify into trees due to not understanding whats happening.

>>Turning into humanoid dragons via the stones

undead studying nature so hard they become nature, in this case, dragons, which being perfect, are static and unchanging.

>>Lothric Castle - The floating things that fire meatballs at you during Dragonslayer Armor

londor shit where they ushered the dark out of a person in a controlled manner, but it was still shackled, so you get a flying tree man.

>>Undead Settlement - Corpses completely turned into roots (eg. one in the chair at the start)

same as the high wall; they didnt know what was happening and the souls have dissipated so hard they calcify into trees.

>>Dreg Heap - Pilgrims turning into the 'angels'

pilgrims are just that, faithful to an idea of a true nature of things, in this case the dark. they draw out the darkness in them to take new form, but are still shackled literally and figuratively. its a matter of will to change form into an angel.

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Man who does D3 have such messed up creature designs? Its fucking creepy.

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>>171615136
>How do all of these fit into the story?

One of the running themes of the serious is about the unlimited potential of humanity. We have the capacity for both great good and great evil. We have the potential to be as mighty as the gods themselves. We have the potential to be any number of different things, from knights to sorcerers to pyromancers to clerics to dragons to trees to monsters to angels.

If humanity can be said to have a defining trait, it is our potential.