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>>171469424
>muh nerfed forest
Pic
> Forest becomes the least popular class after Bahamut
pupularity =/= deck's strength
>And no surprise that Sword is the most played because unlike forest, sword can actually do everything perfectly, aggro, control, etc.
Panda's deck is just new version of old otk roach with the same bullshit tutoring to completely avoid rng. Outside of that sword was always popular because it's fun and easy to play, just like daria, she's still popular despite average wr. Hell, even shitty ramp dragon with his bad performance is most played dragon deck, because it's fun for people, no one wants to play face dragon with 10%+ more wr, everyone wants to ramp and drop badass bahamuts, i can understand them.

Remember to rope all the Dshift. Your contribution is very important for us!

>>171471958
>Pet Class
Literally the worst Legendary just behind Blacked Jeanne

Any list for the leader level rewards?

>>171471989
>player reported statistics
>player reported statistics when they can't even know the opposing deck is bolt until they see a wolf

>>171471989
You are out of your mind if you think that sample size means anything

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>>171471958
>pet class

Stop posting D rank opinions

>>171471989

Did you look at the winrate? Those are abhorrent compare to when forest was tier 0.

With people abandoning forest, it means that only those who are very proficient with it are still playing it, and even with only veterans play the decks is still has barely 50% winrate. If it is not getting outclassed I don't know what it is.

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>>171472058
>Dark Jeanne
>bad
Preserving for future generations

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BLOOD SNEKS TIER 0

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>drafting two Anomaly and Bahamut in T2

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>mfw playing """""""""""midrange""""""""""" sword at ToG launch

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>>171471958
Elana heaven t0 next xpac and there is nothing you can do

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>>171471989
lmao
how are people still making this mistake almost a full year in?

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83742

concede/lose please

>>171472324

Which is why you count winrate of the class as a whole.

>>171472110
That's not enough imo
Either forced anon or filter all trips/names

>>171472430
thanks, sahabutt!

>/svg/ told me AA3 would be hard
>I just keep walking into master dshift and other meme decks like atomy and control blood
>get the easiest 150 points per game of my life
I'm never listening to you guys again

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>>171472482

>>171472513

a.k.a. winrate of deck archtype means jack shit.

>>171462371

>Forestcraft
7PP - Elf Queen - 8/10
8PP - Deepwood Anomaly - 4/10

>Swordcraft
4PP - Gawain of the Round Table - 7/10
7PP - Roland the Incorruptible Hero - 9/10

>Runecraft
6PP - Hulking Giant - 8/10
9PP - Wordwielder Ginger - 5/10

>Dragoncraft
5PP - Sibyl of the Waterwyrm - 7/10
8PP - Ouroboros - 8/10

>Shadowcraft
4PP - Minthe of the Underworld - 6/10
7PP - Demonlord, Eachtar - 8/10

>Bloodcraft
4PP - Belphegor - 9/10
8PP - Maelstrom Serpent - 8/10

>Havencraft
6PP - Dark Jeanne - 5/10
9PP - Heavenly Aegis - 7/10

>Neutral
9PP - Israfil - 6/10
10PP - Zeus - 5/10


Some of these (minthe, anomaly, gawain) can become much better with more support

Time to build a Seraph forest deck now
Fucking hell why is forest so expensive?

>>171472512
post dick

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>>171472204
>Tfw I still haven't gotten Charlotta yet
I want her as a sword leader.

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OY VEY

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>>171472598
Here you go mi mano

>>171472324
>>171472134
He's stupid in believing that silverbolt actually has a 57.7% winrate because self-reported data for that deck is completely inaccurate, but forest is "okay" right now because the winrate for the class as a whole is still good.

The main problem is the class still being carried by the same cards. No one wants to play forest because it feels like nothing has changed since standard, and not everyone wants to play wolfbolt because it's clunky at times.

And sadly in ToG they've added very little tempo support. So two incredibly weak expansions in a row for tempo forest playstyle. The legendary could've been a tempo legendary but we got memes instead.

>>171472324
>>171472090
>>171472082
Even their general winrate as craft is 51.8, second only to sword. You don't need to be scientist to figure out that the most popular forest deck should be strong.

>Obviously powerful wincon card

>Contrarians saying it's shit because they want to look smart

Did you guys shit on Daria too when she was first revealed?

Hello underage friends.

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/ourguy/

>>171471989
>people only play sword because it's fun
yeah, I'm sure an autopilot 50+% win rate in every archetype in every expansion has nothing to do with it

>>171472730
Soccermom is still one of the best cards in the game, you roachfuckers don't get to complain about trash legos.

>>171472687
>i won't let the goyim forget
>not even for a fraction of a second!

Hello, Mordecai.

>>171472687
ブレイク成功です

>>171472828
Where does the name soccermom for Ancient Elf come from?

>waaah waaaah forest are getting bad legendaries for once

getting real tired of forestbab whining desu

>>171472796
daria does things.

>>171472730
>And sadly in ToG they've added very little tempo support. So two incredibly weak expansions in a row for tempo forest playstyle. The legendary could've been a tempo legendary but we got memes instead.

If you want playable (i.e. busted) tempo cards, they need to nerf the overtuned stuff you already have like Roach and AE.

Tempo was flat out broken in DE meta with most masters games having at least one for at least 2 months straight and it and PTP winning every tournament.

>>171472730
>He's stupid in believing that silverbolt actually has a 57.7% winrate because self-reported data for that deck is completely inaccurate
No one said it was 100% accurate, dumb faggot. Player made statistics can't be 100% accurate but you can see general trend. Of course forestcraft player would always deny it, and being second best craft is just "okay" for them.
>but forest is "okay" right now

>>171472895
how do i become gundam pilot

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>>171472805
Hello, friend.

>>171472821
And yet you completely ignored the argument about dragon or daria. Not everyone play decks only because of high wrs.

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>>171472962

>>171472796
It's worse than Seraph in everyway possible

>>171472561

>Forestcraft
7PP - Elf Queen - 1/10 - multiple better alternative exist
8PP - Deepwood Anomaly - -1/10 8 mana removal bait, not even a meme

>Swordcraft
4PP - Gawain of the Round Table - 10/10 - flexible, fit in any match any deck archtype
7PP - Roland the Incorruptible Hero - 9/10 - strong card for control

>Runecraft
6PP - Hulking Giant - 8/10 - Earth rite deck still have room for this giant
9PP - Wordwielder Ginger - 5/10 - it should be 9/10 but Daria exists

>Dragoncraft
5PP - Sibyl of the Waterwyrm - 7/10 - no complain about this card, good for control
8PP - Ouroboros - 5/10 - meme

>Shadowcraft
4PP - Minthe of the Underworld - 6/10 - Like blood queen, but a bit better
7PP - Demonlord, Eachtar - 9/10 - a strong clear and good board presence

>Bloodcraft
4PP - Belphegor - 9/10 - better than the 6/4 ward
8PP - Maelstrom Serpent - 3/10 - you are dead with full board of snakes on your side

>Havencraft
6PP - Dark Jeanne - 5/10 - blacked
9PP - Heavenly Aegis - 8/10 - a giant that cannot be removed, definitely a good card by its own

>Neutral
9PP - Israfil - 8/10 - solid card but no one use neutral cards anyway
10PP - Zeus - 6/10 - think of it as gilgamesh, but with flavor

>>171473028
Banish THIS
*whips out phantom howl*

>>171472730
I was hoping the last one would be ptp/combo support. That new legendary is just a dead pull. I don't know if I want to vial it though because it has meme potential. But man, it will be complete shit for many expansions to come. At least eidolon of madness had seraph and rabbits it could combo with and is getting unholy grail this expansion. This legendary isn't even a good meme.

>>171472896
Just think about it a little bit and you'll suddenly understand.

>>171473097
>gets auto banished end of turn

>>171473073
The problem with Ginger is Bahamut exists.

No matter how fat board you stack with Giant and Pascale, you are still going to lose it all once Dr. 10 (or Themis) pays you a visit.

>>171472945
Didn't some graph posted last thread show forest had the lowest playrate? That could easily account for 2+% winrate.

>>171473073
>8PP - Maelstrom Serpent - 3/10 - you are dead with full board of snakes on your side
Whether you're new to the game or very oblivious, your opinion is wrong.

>>171472730
>The main problem is the class still being carried by the same cards. No one wants to play forest because it feels like nothing has changed since standard, and not everyone wants to play wolfbolt because it's clunky at times.

Exactly. They need to give forestcraft good cards from new expansion in order for people to play it.

>>171472828

No fuck you

>>171472938

>People still think roaches and AE are too good
>when Daria exist

AE is kinda meh in current meta, even the roaches are not as good as before anymore, proof is that forestcraft is not tier 0 anymore. They need to make cards that can decrease PP cost of cards in hand to make forest top tier again.

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>>171472896
She stops by and picks all the little ones up.

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>>171471958
"Win the game" card? What's Forest getting next, Themis? Oh nevermind.

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>swordbabs in charge of losing

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>>171473217
That's the joke. You are dead after Howl gets played anyway.

>>171473329
>make forest top tier again.

It's been top tier with at least one deck in every single meta since release. Stop being so entitled.

>>171472938
I don't think AE is that strong when there are so many ways to kill single fat minions as opposed to multiple ones. She's only that bad when you nut a perfect curve but then you can compare that to nutting a perfect Daria curve which is UNBEATABLE.

>>171472938
>tempo was flat out broken in DE
t. some sword shitter who's otohime/sage commander combo was interrupted by 6/6 with ward

>d-don't forget haven is the true cancer of the bahamut expansion because of m-muh lion!

>midrange is d-dead n-nerf yurias!!

the only good sword shitter is a roached sword shitter

>>171473286
Lowest play rate is bishop, second lowest - vampire. Of course it's master, nobody cares about lower ranks.

>>171473431
>what is 13/13 taunt :^)

>>171473451
>It's been top tier with at least one deck in every single meta

So is sword. And haven to a certain extend. And sword actually getting so many good stuffs this expansion.

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>>171472945
I put "okay" in quotes because if a class has high winrate but no one wants to play it then that means there's something seriously wrong with the design of the class.

Of course some of you faggots obsess over winrates like its the most important thing in the world, but the point of cards games is having fun. And if they fail to get people to play the class despite it being strong then there is obviously a design issue somewhere.

Look at ramp dragon for instance. The deck is pretty fucking shit and expensive as well, yet people love playing ramp because it's still fun to play (when you're not facing cancerous shadow decks).

>>171473329
>They need to make cards that can decrease PP cost of cards in hand to make forest top tier again.
But there's the homo prince 2/2 for 5 mana iirc.

>>171473072
>it's worse than <CARD OF A DIFFERENT FUCKING CARD>
Why do people use this argument?
It's literally a non-argument.

>lol X is bad because Y is better (Y isn't available for X users though)
It literally does not matter if a card exists in another craft that does the job better. Unless you can point to a card that does the exact same thing IN THE SAME CRAFT, your argument is fucking invalid.

>>171473329
>Forest needs to always be T0 otherwise it's trash
You treehuggers need to gassed.

>>171473460
Half of AE's strength comes from the bounce so you can replay the insanely efficient fanfares that Forest has (Liza, May, Roach, FB, Tia if you are lucky).

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>>171473329
>AE is kinda meh in current meta
Forestcraft analytics, everyone.

>>171473072
Are you crazy? By turn 8 almost no one have free removal, or a evolve point. 87% of that thing attacking next turn.

>wake up
>Forest lego revealed
>You win if you can hit face with it
Neat. Seems a bit meme but I like how they gave forest some wincons beyond roach.

>>171473013
those are not the most played decks in the game
daria suffered huge losses when it was nerfed and midrange sword gained many more players
right now the most rune deck is d shift and it give a positive win rate to anyone in high masters
none of that matters though, the majority of people who play sword do it to get free wins without any thought process
just play your shit on curve and win more than 50% of the time every expansion guaranteed

Those that think Elf Queen is shitt are retards.

RE FUCKING TARDS

>>171473546

Self reporting winrate is not always correct. Take it with a grain of salt.

>>171473548

That shit is too slow. Maybe something like 4PP 2/3 that can make all fairies in your hand cost 0 is more acceptable.

>>171473523
Haven was garbage tier before DE and hasn't had a consistent T1 deck in RoB either (though it has had multiple T2 due to the good Daria matchup).

Sword is a problem, I don't think anyone would deny that.

>>171473593
Ok then retard, how is this card better than the tools forest already has in the forms of roach, purgatory, and wolfbolt when you're taking an even bigger risk than a similar deck in this game already does by playing Deepwood during your turn

>>171473810
yeah may as well do the roach otk on turn 5 instead of 9

>>171473329
kys roachfucker

>>171473782

It is "turn 8 do nothing when played" and readily removed by any removal if you haven't noticed.

>>171473762

t. swordshitter

>>171473806
>one time use fairy beast
it's okay at best
>heal 20
it will literally never do that

>>171473764
Because they're not playing decks filled with shitty lategame winconditions. Your plan is basically "win midgame so they have to blow their removal then gain board control so they don't shit on you as you do nothing turn 8 then win".

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>>171473764
Or DoD.
It's a "win more" card, same with Pascale

>>171473073
>5PP - Sibyl of the Waterwyrm - 7/10 - no complain about this card, good for control
>8PP - Ouroboros - 5/10 - meme
t. not a dragon player/newfag

>>171473546
>Of course some of you faggots obsess over winrates like its the most important thing in the world, but the point of cards games is having fun.
Are you not having fun with forest?
>And if they fail to get people to play the class despite it being strong then there is obviously a design issue somewhere.
>>171473486
What are you talking about? That sick argument against
>forest'st not tier 0 = it's shit
>forest's not most played craft = it's shit
Meh, it's in the middle, i don't see a problem here.

>>171473806
its trash, fairy beast is better and you can bounce it

put me in the screencap

>>171473901
I think of it as more of a turn 10 combo card with Lisa.

>>171473867

It is reasonable with all the Daria deck and Dshift deck running rampant. It is to counter those runefags and bring balance back to the game.

>>171473909
Not him but don't you think it's better to have a heal besides fairy beast? I mean it doesn't have to heal 20 just at least a 10 or something.

>>171473901
I've played nothing but elf since rob and ancient elf of all cards has never been bad

>>171473408
He probably wouldn't have disconnected if you picked Luna

>>171473992
Liza won't save you from Odin, Dance of Death, Tsubaki, etc
At best she saves you from Revelation

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>>171473901
So everyone who posts Erika plays sword, right? Don't embarass yourself any further.

>>171473806
You either don't play forest or you think it's some kind of card you're going to horde until turn 20 and drop for a full-heal. Basically a scenario that is never going to happen for forest.

Dropping this shit on turn 7 is only going to heal for 7-8 which is about slightly higher than the average fairy beast heal for a total of 1 PP more.

Might be a 1 of in a deck to replace a single fairy beast. But then again fairy beast can actually be bounced.

>>171473992
think of it as more of a killed by bahamut/odin/dod with lisa

>>171473806
It's not shit, the archetype it would be used in is shit.

>>171473967

You are actually right. I seldom play dragon. And usually when I face dragon, if they don't go face they lose, so I really have little info about the class.

What is your opinion on their new legendaries?

>>171473764
Let see, by turn 8 we have
>Nep
>Khawy
>Themis
>Tribunal
>Revelation
>Fangblade
>Odin
>SahaBaha
>DoD
>DShift

>>171473782
You don't even realize how it shakes the depth of the game. Instead of a situation where players are forced to trade, they'll just hit face with that card.

>>171473764
turn 6-9 is where themis go online and usually theres always tribunal countdown that you can accelerate,i also like to put inquiry on turn 7 to cover my seraph turn

t. seraph(chemo) player

>>171473867
>How to tell someone couldn't into roach mathmatics

>>171473901
>turn 8
>removal
Tell me, what's the possibility of that happening?

>>171474027
yeah it can be good in a very slow tempo
control can already use fairy beast (and would probably prefer it)
ptp can't use it
aggro/fast tempo doesn't want it

>>171473791
>those are not the most played decks in the game
Daria IS the most played deck across all ranks and second most played in master rank, sword deck's lower. Even with all the nerfs and loses she's still the most popular. There are even lots of daria-dshift hybrids that came up after nerfs.

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Need a concede please.

75971

>>171473523
>haven

????
what did he mean by this?
>inb4 DE
the meta was completely dominated by tempo elf and otohime sword, elana was popular only in the first month

>>171474197
what exactly is going to get dod'd or tsubakied in forest apart from a big breasted soccer mom

>>171474079
sauce

>>171473486
>>171473976
>Only masters matters

There are nearly twice as many people in AA as there are masters (on that website, realistically there's probably much more in the lower ranks).

People in AA have access to meta decks and most of the cards. Combining AA and Masters, forest has the 2nd highest winrate yet is the least played class in the entire game. If you don't see that there's a problem there then you're just blinded by fanboy bullshit.

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>>171471958
>turn 5 lionel elf prince make liza cost 0
>turn 8 deepwood anomaly + elf girl liza

Too easy

>>171474237
Seraph Hybrid was T1. Not as dominant as the two decks you mentioned and PTP though.

>>171474034

I never said AE is bad, I just said that it is not as good as before with all these powercreeps. I also exclusively play forest.

>>171474197 see >>171474112

>>171473806
>>171473979
Put me in too.


>>171474237

Maybe because I start after DE and was at lower rank where all the Havens were.

You use all your pp and resources to remove deepwood on turn 8 only for forest to play it again on turn 9, or even two of them if pulled by white wolf.

>>171474197
>huuurrrr everyone only runs 3 executes maximum and they'll definitely mindlessly blow them on curve instead of recognizing my shitty meme deck and holding them as my inferno dragons brick my hand

Win 4 matches daily
3/4 won 1 more to go!

now on my 6th loss in a row

For fuck's sake

>>171474337
Liza prevents damage, doesn't make followers untargetable.

Dumb elf poster.

>>171474197
Pretty fucking high at least from my perspective, and this is coming from a forest player
Is turn 8 Nep literally impossible for you to deal with by those standards because you have no free evolves and Luna just dropped two 5/5s?

>>171474406
Baited for that exact response!

>>171474337

cute elf, would hug

>>171474079

bad slut, would roach

>WAAAH WAAAAH FOREST SHOULD ALWAYS BE THE T1 QUEEN CLASS YOU CANT DO THIS CYGAMES WAAHH WAAH

why are forest player such whiny entitled fucks?

>>171474285
Tia's lesbian bodyguard.

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>swordshitter taunts me the whole game
>disconnects when I kill him

lol

I refuse to believe that all these people seriously suggesting Lionel actually play forest.

>>171474130
You're forced to use all these resources early in the game. Banish man and cards like fang doesn't count

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>>171474434
Fuggg baided abgain :DDD

>>171474441
Babby netdeckers who will only play T1 netdecks.

>>171474406
Just summon two of them at the same time along with Liza.

>>171474379

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>>171474337
>blocks ur path
test of strength included of course

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>run soul glutton in my nepless shadow.
>he makes me survive double dshift thanks to having 4 wards so he healed up all the magic missile dmg and piercing rune dmg.
BASED!

>>171474441
Given a choice between sword and forest being tier 1 it should be the craft that requires skill.

>>171474337
>plays lurching
>plays assassin
Too fucking easy.

>>171474441

Maybe because we've got boring shits 2 expansions in a row? Forest doesn't always have to be on top but please at least give a few viable tempo cards every expansion.

>>171474103
Pretty solid.
Sibyl is a good T5/6 play, maybe even sooner with a ramp. She also gets bigger overtime.
Ouroboros can kill something/face burn, then when he dies you got healed plus another copy of him.

The neutral legendaries are good as well in Saha Ramp.
Zeus can be a good Gilgamesh replacement if you ever used him for normal damage, the key is that he can be a T7 removal with Saha.
Israfil is a Better Salamander's Breath with Saha.

>>171474489
>Lionel
Besides Tia, Pegasus Elf is better for 5. That's an extremely underrated card.

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>>171474232
Thanks Erika-chan!

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>shadow main
>tfw having more success with a half complete roach deck than either aggro shadow or nep
why do my shadow decks not work anymore

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>>171474406
>turn 8 White Wolf of Eldwood
>turn 9 Deepwood Anomaly + Ancient Forest Dragon

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>>171474678

>>171474536

You can't just netdeck tempo or PtP and instantly be good at it, unlike the no-brain Daria deck and the go-face banner deck.

Also not only forest players netdeck just so you know.

Can someone give me x2 Lucifer, x1 Odin, x1 Bahamut?

I want to Ramp Dragon next expac.

>>171474678
ORE NO TAAN

>>171474441
It's not being entitled you fuck, even forest players admit roach was overpowered. It's just that we've been waiting for something fun to use that's not roach and instead what we get is a heal that's almost redundant with Fairy Beast and an objectively shittier Seraph that no one will play unless they print a card that gives it storm

>>171474659
i agree they should have been minions

>>171474589
The nice thing about Sibyl is she helps with consistency.

If you don't draw ramp early, she'll help speed you up and if you do draw ramp early, she'll help keep you alive from the lost tempo.

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>>171474308
>there's a problem with forest having a 52% rate and being the least played class in the game
>sword having a 55% win rate and being the most played class not a problem

Well here you go /svg/!
When you argue with a sword main and you wonder what could possible be going through his mind, it was probably something like this.

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>>171474728
Only if you eat all the eggs.

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>wolf turn 8
>put zero-cost Anomaly in hand
>wolf turn 9
>get another zero-cost Anomaly in hand
>drop three Anomaly on turn 10

Remove this shadowbabs I'm going to try and make this meme work

>>171474582
>white wolf
>bad

just kill yourself already, roachfucker

>>171474713
What irritates me the most about Themis Decree is that the chick on picture is flat.

>>171474589

I see. So this expansion definitely help dragon a lot then?

>>171474728
Sure, give me your friend id and we can trade.

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>>171474774
>t9 IKUZOOO
>t10 IKUZOO

>>171474774
>turn 8 play 4/4 minion
>turn 9 play 4/4 minion
umm, shadowbab you're dead to every deck in game

>>171474678
>be dragon.
>drop bahamut

>>171474659
>sword shitter
good

>>171474771
Why is she wearing pantsu on her head?

>>171474780
>white wolf
>tempo

>>171474308
Not an argument because people who play <month can't have all decks and still climb with their cheap rune or aggro sword decks, the're easy to build, easy to play and don't have terrible winrate. That's why we should only care about players with cards and vials at master rank, they chose to play any deck they want. You're bringing up AA just for the sake of an argument, it's expected that newbies like to play simple decks, they're just learning about the game.

>>171474774
>what is themis
>what is bahamut

The problem with Anomaly is that it's just a high cost Atomy than is as easy to remove as Atomy.

>>171474797
it's a reference to "flat is justice"

>>171474780

>4/4 on turn 8

You can't beat Dshift with that shit and you are dead to aggro and every other deck out there with such anti-tempo play.

>>171474908
YOU won't have themis on turn 8.

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Whats the objectively best way to polymerize Flame and Glass?
I tried everything from running them with Elf Girl Liza to buffing them with Elena in Haven, none of them were effective.
Please help, I don't want my memes to be dreams.

>>171474909
Then don't play Anomaly if you don't want to

>>171474959
D-Shift

>>171474742
As long as roach exists forest won't get good new cards.

>>171474797
That's because flat is Justice. Literally in this case.

>>171474959
DShift

>>171474959
Dshift.

>>171474959
D-Shift

>>171474956
Because he had to use them on turns 7, 6, and 5 to compensate for your incredible board presence?

>>171474959
Dshift is the only viable option.
You could also try ambush sword with those 2.

>>171474959
dshift

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>>171474923
>Erasmus playing Daria

>>171474803
Yes, Ouroboros might or might not be used, but generally all build will run Sibyl.

>>171474758
She also heals you if you ramped early.
She's like Fervor with a body.

>>171474797
Yes, and?

>>171475002
>5
Tribunal. And, yes.

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>>171474868
b/c she likes it

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Will sword ever get acceptable card draw?

>>171474982

I don't think I have to repeat this 10000 times more. Roach is not a problem. Just ward it but no, everyone decides to be greedy running wardless deck.

Also the only problem it will cause is with bounce cards, just don't print them. There is no reason to not print another good tempo card because it doesn't really affect roach's playstyle.

>>171474678
or
get this
white wolf
and then
and then you play
silver bolt silver bolt

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>>171474436
>roach slut

>>171475104
they just did this expansion

>>171474797
>flat girl
>praying for god to kill everyone
seems accurate to me

Sup guys, recently started playing and got a few animated legends for classes I won't play so liqifyed them, and pretty much everything else. Got 20k vials and interested in either Sword (I have 1x that sea queen) or Dragon (I have 1x Forte), WHICH ONE

>>171475131
Which is?

>>171475104
I fucking hope not.

>>171474943
Not him but
>Dead to aggro
If aggro gets dragged all the way out to turn 8, they're deader than dead excluding "midrange" Sword
Regarding D-Shift, every control deck has a problem with it so wolfbolt isn't really special in that regard
For other decks there are times when you can't afford to drop wolf on curve, so you just push it back to later turns, not that big of a deal

>>171474982
pls no, I want to stop having to run 3x roach in every single deck too

>>171475112
Wards slow down the game, dumb. You really don't want to face end game and win conditions cards.

>>171475094
but why?

>>171475094

Dumb swordposter.

>>171475104

They've got so many good card draws (e.g. the 5 PP 3/4) , and now with ToG they've got even more.

Guess who is the pet class?

>>171475168
spring cleaning

>>171475104
>giving swordbabs all the best cards from ToG isn't enough, they also want a rune-tier draw engine
Christ.

>>171475112
Tell that to cygames.

>>171475104
>will sword every get even more free shit?
hopefully not my man

>Cat trying to play atomemes
>Didn't draw atomeme into his hand at all multiple games in a row
Poor guy.

>>171475104
Maid and/or Avant Blader
Only you need

>>171475218
Because she doesn't reply to herself.

Daria is fun

>>171475207
>What is control sword and sun haven

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55958

Need4concede: Most Wanted

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>have exhausted every meme
>don't want to play before ToG
>need to do dailies for maximum ToG packs
Is there anything worse than pre-expansion waiting periods?

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>>171475237
Dumb swordhater.

>>171475104
>maid leader
>pompous princess
>avant leader
>mentor's teaching
>thief

Sword's draw/tutors are fine. Pompous even puts the fucker into play for you. Avant blader is seriously good, its just not played because muh albert. Even conscription is decent.

>>171475189
>If aggro gets dragged all the way out to turn 8

And wolf is a dead card in your hand before turn 8. You don't want a dead card against aggro. By the time you can play wolf, you've already won, you don't even need to play him anymore. That's how irrelevant he is in aggro matchup.

Dshift will always make any control deck not viable so all these control cards that forest is getting won't see play except for maybe Aerin.

>>171475207

Greedy, I know.

>even in t2 my arthuirian light's get petrified

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>>171475218
b/c she's bad

>>171475373
>sun haven
>not losing to roach any day of the week

Haven is dumpster tier not only does Forest have more effective ward minions with Tia and Elf but now they have even more effective heals than haven.

>>171475415
I want to draw non-officers/commanders though.

>>171475373
Control is week against monstrous things, and Sun is end game.

>>171475473
thicc

>>171475384
A-anyone?

So what deck should I aim for when I'm just starting out? The new player info in the OP seems like every fucking choice is shit.

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NOBODY CAN STOP ME

>>171475473
source?

>>171475389
>post expansion periods when you realized you either spent all your vials/gold and got nothing/memes or you realize you missed the opportunity to play free wins in ranked because you were hording your vials/gold

@171475549
TRUMPP

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>>171475541
something cheap like aggro blood to ladder with just make sure that you save up for a good deck before you hit A0, take your time and don't rank up too fast because low ranks are easy dailies/monthly rewards.

>>171475430
>And wolf is a dead card in your hand before turn 8. You don't want a dead card against aggro. By the time you can play wolf, you've already won, you don't even need to play him anymore. That's how irrelevant he is in aggro matchup.
True, but that's the same with all control decks isn't it? You don't need to play your super powerful late game win condition because if you're already dragged aggro out to that point, they're completely out of cards and can't win unless they have the luckiest topdecks ever
That's why you include other cards in your control deck specifically meant to deal with aggro. The wincons are for other control

>>171475549
I hope you emoted that at least 3 times

>>171475384
Thanks Selwyn!

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>tfw control sword wins on turn 5
I'm proving those posters right, damnit

>>171475713
Donotreplytohim

>>171475678
I can get behind Mastema but HH seems like a weird choice. I assume because of the amount of fairies/bats on master ladder.

>>171475541

Become a swordshitter and hit face all day.

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>>171475550
https://twitter.com/nerotarou2/status/807881774621523970
There aren't any follow up pages, though.

Haven and Rune is the most fun class in the game

prove me wrong shadowbbs you cant

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>>171475549
>aggro blood wins 10+ turns in
I'm not sure if I feel bad for the dirt player, or if I feel bad for you getting dragged into a match with the dirt player

>>171475782

I can. I will just rope you every turn if you play rune and you will just lose normally if you play haven.

>>171475784
>>171475869

Wrong quote. Erika made me dizzy.

>>171475784
I agree with Haven. I don't like Daria and I haven't played enough D-Shift though.

>>171475730

>So shameful about the fact that you are playing a pet class that you have to cover up your face.

>>171475495
Nigger i play sun haven and roach is a good matchup.

git gud

>>171475495
t. D rank

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>>171471958
>It's an inferno dragon with: Win the game
>It's another 8pp that doesn't even cost an evo that dragon's cards out
BOY I SURE DO LOVE HAVING TO TAKE EVEN MORE REMOVAL
I SURE DO LOVE HOW ENDGAME IS EVEN MORE WHO DREW MORE REMOVAL/ODIN/BAHA
I SURE DO LOVE HOW THREE (3) SAN TRI WARDS ISN'T ENOUGH TO HOLD SHIT DOWN
I SURE DO LOVE THAT IN-BETWEEN GIVING FOREST PSEUDO-RUSH WARDS AND STORM WARDS AND MULTIWARDS AND WARD WARDS THEY DECIDED THAT A LOSE YOUR TURN LIGHTNING ROD WOULD REALLY HELP PEOPLE FIGHTING FOREST
I REALLY, REALLY LOVE HOW IF YOU TOP OUT AT 8, WHITE WOLF WILL FETCH ANCIENT FOREST DRAGON OR ANOMALY TO PLAY WITH THE OTHER AND BASICALLY YOUR MOTHERHECKIN LIFE ENDS NEXT TURN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN BAHAMUT IT

STOP PRINTING WIN FROM HAND CARDS
STOP PRINTING THAT SHIT WHEN YOU CAN TUTOR IT
STOP PRINTING THAT SHIT ON PRINCIPLE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE TUTORS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>171474337
Step up your game

>>171476253
post dick

>>171476253
>>171476325
Look up the actual winrates you braindeads.

>>171475549
>dubcuck

Hey guys, deepwood anomaly will make Canopies not a meme deck. First you bait all of opponent's removal by playing couple of Daddies and then you just play anomaly and go face.

>>171475037
Flat is bad.

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>wake up
>read new Forest leggo

I'm 'avin' a giggle. What is even the point of releasing something like this when Seraph, despite being much more difficult to stop, is dumpster tier?

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>it's call forest anomaly because you will never see it and when you do see it you will wonder what the fuck your opponent was expecting to happen when he played it
bravo cygames

Let's be honest, I don't like the new cards.

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>>171476363

>>171475687

I don't see wolf as a card that can help forest control against other control. It got ripped apart by control sword and now is not even that effective against the shittiest class which is Rowen because they are getting access to some heals, paired together with their massive dragons.

>>171476394
actually play the game and tell from your experience

>>171476253
I played roach and sun haven was an a really difficult matchup
I am pretty sure it was good vs aggro and daria as well

>>171476482

Apparently it is because the devs think it is funny to shit on forest for 2 expansions in a row.

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>>171471958

WHAT

WHAT?

>>171476584
>Literally anecdotal evidence

K.

>>171476639
it's shit

>>171472724
How do you use Lyrial?

>>171476354
>Have 3x Anomeme, Wolf, Ancient Dragon in deck
>RNG tutor
Enjoy brick city with worst board clear class ever

>>171476674

>trusting self-reporting stats

Yeah that is certainly gonna be accurate.

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>>171476725
if you understand what i mean

>>171474543

>amulet remove it and kill you

>>171475784
Forest is the most fun, then Rune and Shadow

>>171476674
so you truly are D rank?

>>171476738
Who says you need 3.

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>an 8mana win the game is shit

the fuck is wrong with you people

>>171476779
>I try playing 8pp card, 0pp card and 5pp card on turn 8
>that's a good trick

>>171476808
How is forest fun
That shit looks so bland

Even the leader is the most vanilla

>>171476725
If it survives during an evolve turn it's basically 5 damage to the opponent's face. She's also just a decent 2-drop on her own to fill out your curve if needed.

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tfw lost 4 times in a row because bricking and enemy having stupid shit like cyclone blade in an aggro deck

dear diary, today was a bad day

>>171476482
There's lots of combo surrounding that card. Forest is a combo craft, don't say anon never taught you anything

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>>171476482
>Vanguard G
Shitty arc, can't bring myself to watch this, just quit at 10 eps. Bring my Sendou Aichi back.

/makevanguardgreatagain/

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>Fall for the Saha meme
>Start unpacking them both shortly after
Fug

>>171476901

t. brainless netdecker

You actually need skills to play forest deck unlike Daria and banner just so you know.

>>171476901
The combo stuff feels cool, so from an idea standpoint, when you win you feel better than if you did an unga bunga forte hit face

>>171476925
Thanks.

>>171476950
give me 2 Lucifers please. I don't have any.

>>171476995
Yes, playing tempo sure takes skill.

>>171471958
>the only reason why this card is """bad""" is because it's a forest card

:考え事:

>>171476995
Forest is fucking stupid. Its for tryhards and downs.

>>171476868
>if this card attacks your opponent directly AND reduces their health to 0, you win the match.
Is it possible to reduce opponent's health to 0 and not win the match in yugioh?

>>171476868
Victory dragon is some inconceivably bad design

It not only wins one duel
It wins THREE. Without even having to play them.

It's a good thing it'll never see the light of day again

>>171476995
>tfw playing count haven and you nut the t4 full board that they never recover from
Godsteel birb is so great.

Anyone could concede please? 78130

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>>171476995
You actually need balls to hit face with sword decks. Not everyone can do.

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>8 game lose streak
So it's one of those days, huh.

>>171477050
how is this any more brainless than any sword deck ever made?

>>171477080
yugioh is BO3. Victory Dragon is intended to give you the whole set.

>>171477080
a match = BO3

>>171476532
>3sun
>Uriel
Is your stall not working?
I can easily stall long enough till I draw a Gsun and 3 is overkill.
Also Uriel can whiff right? It can still grab Tribunals and such.
I used to run just Prism and Sacred Pleas as a draw engine, and it was damn good, but Tribunal is worth the consistency hit, it's fucking dumb how good it is

>>171476995
How does that make someone a netdecker

Forestfags are fucking brain damaged chimps.

>>171477080
>Is it possible to reduce opponent's health to 0 and not win the match in yugioh?
a match is a best of 3 duels I believe, so if you lose the first 2 duels and win with victory dragon on the last one, you technically win the match

>>171476929
name 1

>>171477079
>Its for tryhards

definitely not for brainless twats like you

>>171476901
you have to count roach lethals and manage your hand size, also have many options every turn, to me it's pretty fun

>>171477080
when you reduce opponents hp to 0 you win duel, this wins match that is best of three. That's like having card that if you kill your opponent with it gives you 3 wins on ladder. From what I heard people conceded when they saw this card on table not to lose all matches to bullshit

>>171477080

He autowins the bo3

in fact just by having him in the sidedeck you play all 3 matches if you lost the first two.

>>171477149
That's what he implied.

>>171477052
バカガイジン

>>171476868
It's forest , they don't need a I WIN card because they have better cards.

>>171475389
Bukkake your dank memes all over my face sempai

Snowman/conjuring force rune
Conjuring dirt rune
Conjuring ptp rune
Dragonbond/Magisa Reina Simalcrum Conj Force
Flame&Glass DShift
Dirt Rune
Flame&Glass guardian wall dirt rune

Ambush royal
Ambush Royal feat. Flame&Glass
Cursed general combo royal
Castle Arthur's Resolve Royal
Otomemes tempo royal
Ironwrought-Arthurian Light stat boost commandcraft tempo

Saha Ramp dragon
Ramped pendant storm dragon
Overflow board flood disco draw dragon
Polyphonic Ramp
Pheonix roost Ramp
Fluted spire disco flood
JO dragon
JO Deathmist ramp dragon
Discard/JO dragon
Discard dragon
OTK Discard dragon
Ramped pendant ward flame&Glass dragon
Ramped grea-hydra boost dragon
Midrange boost dragon feat. Zirnitra
Cannot be attacked boost dragon
Megalorca Simalacrum Seacraft boost Dragon

Tyrant Lord Atomemes
Midrange Atomemes
Burial banquet Atomemes
Last word shadowcraft
Phantom Dragon Mid range

Non-Roach combo forest
Tempo Rose queen Forest
Festival control forest
Can't attack next turn control forest
Titania's tempo forest
Titania-Reina Simulacrum tempo forest


Soul Dealer vengeancecraft
Soul Dealer Draincraft
Dark General, Azazel, laura-servant Control Blood
Laura Neutralcraft blood
Moriana Control Blood
Tempo Bats

Eido-Skullfam Count havencraft
Laelia defense Haven
Sun Satan Haven
Spell immune stat boost Haven

Reina-Simalacrum Neutralcraft
Well-spear boost Neutralcraft

>>171477160
>>171477198
>>171477208
Doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of bo3?

>>171477090
the creator of yugioh said he wants everycard to come off the ban list atleast once, and im pretty sure it just one you the single game not the match

>>171474978
>>171474992
>>171474993
>>171474997
>>171475026

don't fall for this meme

with so many aggrocunts running rampant nowadays it's nearly impossible to have all three cards in your hand, much less pull the combo off

>>171477234
What downsyndrome are you talking about?

>>171477273
That's why it's banned

>>171477285
What do you think of the daria-dshift hybrid that uses them for momentum swings instead?

>>171477090
>implying
The think about this card is that as soon as it's dropped (if your opponent can actually get to do it that is) you can just concede, causing them to get extremely mad and flip the table.

>>171471958
>Forest Control now has a Win condition
quick vg, Put Together a Forest Control deck

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>>171477273

shitty designed card, by konami.

shocking

>>171477285
>wants to play his meme cards optimally
>don't play this meme

>>171477285
It's still better than any other conceivable way to fuse flame and glass.

>>171477210
0 cost shenanigans.

>>171477285
Fuck off, just answering a question

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Dragon the supposedly green ramp class with access to the strongest costly and lategame cards.

Forest, the supposedly token heavy combo class.


Sure feels nice to be dragon.


"b-but its legendary vs bronze"

Eat shit, this is literally power creep and a stronger lategame minion than dragons equal PP counterpart. Who says bronze cards are supposed to be bucket weak?

Natures guidance, Kaleidoscopic and Yurius are bronze, but that doesnt prevent them from being decent.

Fuck all of you and cygames, buff dragon now

>>171477371
I tried this.

It bricks all over the place.

>>171476874
>8pp
5, unlike Seraph amulet destruction actually works since there are no last words to proc.

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Moar like slutcraft.

>>171473329
Lionel was an attempt to make unplayable cards like archer and petal fencer viable. Didn't go too hot.

>>171477387
konami is retarded. they print overpowered rare cards and then they get banned from play a few months later. its such a bad game from a monetary perspective.

>>171477464
what is roach tried todo here?

>>171471958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFShgeQwHs0

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Why aren't you playing control sword for easy dailies?

>>171477576
His ToDo

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>>171477451
>buff dragon now
When you list the seven classes in order of power, there will be always be a class that is seventh. It’s impossible for there not to be a seventh class. So in a way, if you call it a problem, then there’s always a problem and it’s not fixable, because there’s always a bottom class.

>>171477464
what is she saying?

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>draft 9 2 drops
>don't draw any of them by 2 going second 3 times in a row
>every opponent has perfect curve with non shitty cards

>>171477419
name one that prevents instantly getting shit on by baha/themis

>>171474758
>>171474589
Is sibyl confirmed to only be regular pp gain instead of max orbs so our ramp cards aren't dead past turn 6-7?

>>171477594
list?