/fhg/ - For Honor General

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First for shugoki mains

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>>170891047

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This is the webm post.

quote this when posting a webm

so all can see

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Peacekeepers who think skill makes them win most of all are just as cancerous as Lawbringers who think they deserve respect just for willingly playing a shit class.

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>>170891107
thanks i was looking for this

>>170891204
>>lol its the lawbringers that are the problem
Who said we deserve respect? I have fun playing LB, that's it. Nice try in deflecting hate from your class, probably PK or Warlord, to LB.

>>170891239
Shit, nice break dancing.

Bleed is the most uninteresting and cancerous mechanic in the game and should be removed entirely to the detriment of the classes that had it. All it does is promote mind numbing keep away pussy shit and further makes fighting defensive gameplay a miserable slog.

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>>170891000
>trips on the OP
Nice job anon. Doing God's work.

>>170891316
>Feeling personally attacked
lol
Lawbringer posts are 90% people who act like they are above people just because they doomed themselves to play this crap. They aren't.

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>>170891152

>>170891152
>Opened webm
>PK
>Closed webm

>>170891372
They are above you because they don't shitpost in the thread.

t. kensei main

>>170891372
I agree with you, but it's pretty obvious that you got fucked by a lawbringer, and couldn't handle it.

>>170891372
>>call out people who play class
>>lol if you respond your dumb
C'mon, do something right. If you're this mad at Lawbringers, then the fault is with you. Did a LB 3-0 you?

>>170891432
My nigga. You and Shug are alright.

>>170891204
Welcome to fighting games 101.
People who play low tier heroes intentionally just to shit on people who don't know the obscure matchup think they deserve validation.

This is coming from someone who loves to play low tier characters.
I just don't make excuses for myself when I lose based on the character I'm playing. I blame my opponent's character like everyone else :P

Who is the most looked down upon character in fhg?

>>170891460
It's physically impossible to lose to a lawbringer, so no.

>Only orders I have left assassin this and assassin that
>Daily orders are play anything but vanguard

Just let me level up my fuckin kensei jesus christ

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>>170891152
>>170891421

>>170891509
In terms of tier or community?

>>170891509
you

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>>170891152
I've never seen other Wardens do this. It's no Conk-thrust, but I like it.

>>170891510
It's ok, anon. It's completely acceptable to lose.

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Post weird shit.

>>170891509
PK probably. Warlord is fucking busted but it's not as irritating to go against a standard warlord as it is a standard PK.

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Any release date for Greeks?

>>170891659
Same day as pegleg pirates

>>170891509
Pisskeeper and rightfully so. It's the easiest class in the game, got buffed and essentially buffed a second time via bug fix when they were still already the easiest class, they're the class all the "M-muh easy wins" bandwagon kiddies hopped onto, they harbor the greatest amount of paper-thin-skinned (man)children who have a fit when anyone dares cave their head in, they have the other half of the nuruto/anime edgemeister faggots split with roach, their players are just shit people through and through and the game would be universally improved without them.

Any Conqueror mains here ? How do I git good with the character without relying on the shield vortex ?

>>170891525
>Squinted at thumbnail
>PK
>Hid post

>>170891525
>doing 3 stabs instead of stabs + wall bump + heavy
You're not only dumb for playing PK, you're dumb for not optimizing your damage.

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>>170891525
That's bullshit, the PK was dead the second the execute started.

>>170891719
>vortex
kill yourself

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>>170891057
same

>>170891932
Warden's vortex is not a true vortex as well. You can roll back after first shoulder + double stab. YES, it costs stamina, but that allows you to ignore the followup altogether.

>>170891754

Or even the dash+heavy after kicking a nigga into a wall. For some reason people rarely expect it.

That said I don't really play PK at all because it feels so unsatisfactory as things are now

>>170891912
LEGENDARY

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>>170891719
Like any other class not using their unblockable.

>>170891932
Why don't you do it first and get back to me on how it worked out, ok ?

>>170891509
Looked down upon? I'd say anyone with a repeatable combination that can win matches. Also anyone with a bleed attack or just assassins in general besides Berserker.

So that would be:
Warden because vortex and fast zone
Valkyrie because fast ass attacks and sweeps for free heavies
Conqueror because wallbash vortex and turtuling
Warlord because heabutt poke, guaranteed assfucking off parries, and turtling
Nobushi because fast attacks and bleed. Also people not realizing she gets free hits in her moveset and getting mad.
Peacekeeper because fast attacks, bleed, and triple stab doing so much damage off a GB while also being a bleed. She also has a misleading indicator on her zone attack which people think needs to be addressed by Ubi but there hasn't been a peep about it.
Orochi because they all suck ass and are everywhere while using ping pong paddle emblems and running away. Mostly a joke but still looked down on.
Shugoki because of the unparryable heavy glitch abuse.

>>170891754
>Heavy
No need for it there, 2 stabs then wall kick and running away would have solved it

>>170892278
That's not optimal for 2v2 or 4v4 though. You need health back after the battle.

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Anyone have the template for this saved? I just have my old and super shitty tier list from when it was originally posted.

It's been a while since we've done one of these, we should do another one now that it's been a month.

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>>170891754
>>170892008
>>170891152
I won anyways

>>170892827
>Valk under LB
>Literally anything under LB

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>>170892827

>nobushi
>high tier

L A F F O

>>170892876
I see you're running ps4, wanna vs?

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never seen this before, it seems you can turn off the colour of certain armour

>>170892880
This was pre-Valk patch and after I'd just run into a Lawbringer who knew how to shove.
If I did this list again it would be completely unrecognizable.

>>170892896
I still think she's good tho, just not Warden, PK, Warlord or Conq good.

>>170892994
>prestige level 16
>never seen this before

>>170892827
maybe instead of "has faults" it should just say one trick pony

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>>170892940
>>170891152
PS4 prompts on PC, sorry hombre.

>>170892994
Yeah just for material.
If you wanted to you could make your character a mishmash of colours and materials to confuse your opponents with you lack of style and grace.

Also remember if you don't want a piece of armor covered in paint you can select no patter to just go bare metal.

>>170893031
Kek

Will there ever be a Star wars game with For Honor's combat?

>>170893031
i never bother with customization past rep 1

>>170893041
That can be self evident if it's far into the "has faults" catagory. Most people would know why.

>>170893031
>prestige
>indicator of skill
It just means he really likes 4v4 modes

>>170893115
If this game wasn't made by jewbisoft you might have been able to look forward to a mod

>>170893115
I hope not. Lightsabre combat is just a dumber version of Samurai swordplay in space with telekinesis.
How would you even justify getting hit by a lightsabre without losing limbs?

>>170892994
>Prestige 16 and not knowing about the most basic shit
AFK farming at its finest

>>170893115
Jedi Outcast/Acadmey was the best rendition of jedi combat.

>>170892827
Why use S and SS? Why not just have A be the top instead of an artificial ceiling?

>>170893262
maybe something like Boxing game then
or Robot Boxing game

>>170893393

That it was. And still is, hackers kinda ruined the MP after lucasarts died and released all source codes though.

>>170893115
Star Wars would be dumb as it'd just boil down to lightsabers, lightsabers and non-Force sensitives who can use lightsabers.

A fantasy universe would be better, since Vikangz are basically orcs. Leave them alone for but a moment and they'll take miles.

>>170893273
>not doing all the daily quests

>>170893441
Fuck if know, I didn't make it. That's why I posted asking for the template.
S and SS ranks are a borrowing from jap games I'm pretty sure.
Cause S is supposed to be "super" while SS and SSS are just "even more super" because orientals can't grasp Latin-based grammatical systems.

>>170893502
There are enough different kinds of lightsabers though. Still, JKA's combat was better. The skillcap was insane to the point where a single player could take on a dozen others in a match where only lightsabers were enabled.

>>170893672
Of course it's the Japs that made a ranking system of "NU-UH, MINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS I'LL JUST PUT ANOTHER LAYER ON TOP THIS ISN'T MY TRUE FORM" bullshit.

>>170893740
But it's still all lightsabers, no?

>>170893467
I could see it maybe. Ubisoft could try to sell a realistic fighting game that competes with EA's UFC games. Like a 3rd person boxing or kickboxing game that uses the stance system of For Honor.

I wouldn't play it though, and I think millions of people agree with me.
Fantasy and history sell MUCH more than sports do in video games.
Sports people would much rather watch/play the real thing, and gamers don't want to be shackled by the rules of reality.
It's the same reason sports books sell like ass. Bookworms don't want to read about a subject they don't participate in.

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>Unlock the game's soundtrack with Units because lol
>It just directs me to a download link that looks like anyone can use it
>It's only 3 tracks
.....

>>170893902

Yeah just like all weapons are made of steel now, they would be made of laser beams then.

>>170893935
>Fantasy and history sell MUCH more than sports do in video games.

Objectively wrong. Basketball games are enormously popular with niggers, so are football and wrestling games.

>>170894009
Except they're completely different weapons wielded in different ways, and in some cases made of different materials. A lightsaber is basically a flashlight, while a poleaxe is completely different from a longsword or a club wrapped in iron rings. Fucking idiot.

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How is this not a fantasy game?

>>170894085

>He doesn't know about long handle lightsabers, lightsabers whips, lightsaber, off-hand shotos etc. etc. in the EU
>I-IDIOT
Fuck off, underage.

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>>170894010
Niggers aren't gamers though, they're the ultimate normies.
When a basketball american buys a ps2 to play NBA 2K he isn't going to spend hours on end actually playing, it'll just be the game he fires up when he and the boys are getting stoked on the couch while they mash the controls they never bothered to learn.
Just cause FIFA sells like cigarettes in 3rd world countries doesn't mean the game is successful. People buy it once and play it for years, long outliving the shelf value and being only a single sale.

When whites and yellows play games they're much more likely to autistically follow the game's every move, buy all the official merchandise, and defend it's honor to the death on anonymous mongolian horse husbandry forums.
They get milked like the whales they are and are much more likely to subscribe to logical fallacies like brand loyalty.

>>170894298
I know all about sabers, the only difference being saber whips. Everything is is either a long lightsaber or a short lightaber. It's still basically a flashlight being whipped around.

>>170894297
How do you think it isn't?
We have totally historically """accurate"""" Vikangz running around with black skin facing off against womyxn warriurrr Knightesses while bamboo wearing Samurai hit people with nodachis in non-cavalry engagements

You best start believing in fantasy games, anon. You're in one.

>>170894418

You aren't making any sense. Are you saying that you fight the same way with a short lightsaber than with a lightsaber pike? It's a different fighting style, just like someone with a standard sword fights way different than someone with a long range weapon. And lightsaber resistant material exists, you can't just cut the long handle in two. In the EU they were made of that material.

>>170894404
White people are the main buyers of annual sports games. There is a huge population of casuals that just buy that one game every year and nothing else. Niggers buy the NBA, but all the others are whiteys, especially NHL and WWE

reminder that peacekeeper needs to be nerfed.

increase recovery on the second hit of her light chain

make her zone not cancel able, or remove the second hit

increase dodge cooldown time, this should be applied to all assassins since only shitters do it for the cheese factor. either that or drastically lower the range of a dodge while exhausted. idc if they do this to all characters, i dont spam dodge when exhausted since youll get grabbed out of it anyway

>>170894685
>lightsaber pike
Is that an actual thing? What the fuck.

I don't know why people want a Star Wars version of something that is clearly already in a working state.
At the end of the day you just end up with a Star Wars skin thrown over reality, but with more of the bullshit handwaving of logic and restrictions from being based inside an established universe.

I don't want the stupid glowy sword version of a game I already like, I want the thing I bought and am playing right now.

>>170894404
this post tells me this is your first fighting game.

black people are great at fighting games

>>170894898

Well the post about wanting that is not by me, I just pointed out that lightsaber =/= other lightsabers.

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>>170894992
>going to the arcade back in the day
>all the hood n-words clogged up MvC2 and shit

>>170894829
Are whites really the top buyers of sports games?
I know quite a few NHL and Madden exclusive normies, but they're still outnumbered by actual gamers (might be cause I usually avoid normies though)

I thought FIFA by itself makes up half the sports games market, and that sells almost exclusively internationally, on like every console from the C64 to the WiiU. They also have to sell it in like 100 languages because of how diverse the playerbase is.
I find it hard to believe football and hockey actually compete with the poor fuckers in every country that like soccer.

>>170895342
>How boards go off topic

So what hero do you hate fighting the most
>Can't choose PK

Valkyrie here.... Can't stand the leg sweep spam

>>170894890
>Preaching to the choir

Dude, I fucking main Peacekeeper because she's my waifu and even I know she needs nerfed.

>Drop her attack speed by a couple of frames
>Zone attack cannot be cancelled if the first attack is blocked
>Make having zero stamina disable dodging for all assassins

>>170894992
This isn't a traditional fightan game though.
It's not 2D with animu tiddies to attract all the blackaboos and couch co-op toughguys.
It's a lot more like Tekken but casualized and single screen in home entertainment units instead of arcades.

This is an action game with a lot of systems resembling a fighting game.

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>>170891152

>>170895342
What is the casual market nowadays? Like >50%?

As a former gamestop employee I can tell you we sold far more copies of sports games to exclusive normies than to actual gamers. And being in the states FIFA was still popular but not nearly as much as Madden or NBA

>>170895449
Shugokis as Raider

A good player makes it hard to land a hit, a good Shugoki makes it impossible, I'm almost forced to trade.

What do I even do against Warlord as Kensei? I literally have no tools to bait his attacks. He never reacts to feints and counters all GBs, and although I can see when he goes for headbutt like 50% of times and side dash light it, most of the time he just gets free damage without any risks.

>>170895646
>and side dash light it
You get a gb on him if you dodge it mdude.

>Before bed, do a duel
>Rep 10 full on valk cancer

>Do duel this morning
>The exact same guy doing the exact same thing

I actually start to believe the Ded Game posters.

>>170895646
literally nothing lmao, there's nothing you can do against warlord and it drives my kensei buddy up the wall

>>170895718
Huh, didn't know that.

>>170894996
I still find it abhorrent that there's so many lightsabre variants when it's clearly trying to stretch a concept past it's breaking point.
They're called lightSABRES and used by Jedi who wear robes and keep the peace among a republic, much like Samurai would go around in robes carrying their swords and kept the peace on behalf of their daimyo.

Making the stupid energy swords used by space samurai into pikes, whips, hammers, and double sided staves is just retarded and I hate everything about Star Wars' combat systems in canon.
It's always so uninspired.

>>170895743
Tfw you're a casual but run into dedicated autists that keep improving everyday

>>170895827
Then call it a lightpike if it calms your autism

>>170895743
Are Valks worse cancer or on par with PK now? Seems like their light spam is the same speed. What makes them more annoying in team matches is that they keep making their own team mates fall to the ground.

>Fighting Orochi's Pk's and Nobushi's
>They all roll away after shove
>There goes usefullness for shove
>Pretty much have to rely on luck and timing with stray lights and heavy's and an occasional GB to start up a combo
>Start noticing things..
>Paying attention...
>The roll depletes allot of stamina
>Shove
>they roll
>Shove again
>Roll
>Proceed to do something I normally don't do
>Spam shove Gb and heavy, they can't do shit about it when they're in exhaustion mode
>They fucking deserve it
>When they start to catch on I mix up with Shove and long arm plus unblockable combo
>I now have solved the one problem I've always had with these fags

Gg

>>170895449
Sorry anon, I digress.

Same thing with Valkyrie. The light spam is worse than Peacekeeper's to the point where I feel like I can't even block her moves, let alone parry them. Leg sweeps off of 2 light hits or a shield bash is also bullshit.
She can take like half your health bar is you either can't block/parry her moves or dodge the leg sweep between hitstun windows.
I seriously think Ubi overtuned her with the buffs, and that she'll always be a problem character with overuse or underuse.

>>170895630
Gotta get those dodge stuns my man. Shugoki relies on the trades and Stunning Tap is one of your fastest moves while also being a combo opener and evasive maneuver.
Also don't forget about your dodge grabs>forward throw.

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All right, /fhg/, I'm bored. Post draw requests.

>>170896108
that's the problems with valk's kit being so overloaded

she has all the benefits of a shield, deflects and bleeds like assassins, hard crowd control, a vortex, pretty much every tool in the game

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>>170896061
valk are much more punishable, i havent run into many who dont realize that they should seal their dashing attacks

she has good stuff but its not on the same level imo

>>170891367
If you bother to read Nobushi's movelist, you'll notice her Way of the Shark passive, which says she does more damage against bleeding targets. A good Nobushi will draw blood and then continue the offensive to kill you sooner.

>>170891000
Anyone else just hear him say "Not your birthday!"

>>170896236
Peacekeeper and Lawdaddy in a cute hug!

>>170896236
LB and Conq 80s police team bustin in on kangs robbing a bank

>>170895549
Working in brick and mortar stores your much more likely to catch the sports gamers.
All the hardcore crowd have moved onto Steam or XBL/PSN so they don't have to leave the house to buy games anymore.

>What is the casual market nowadays? Like >50%?
Really, really depends on your definition of "casual" because would you count a phone game as a casual game, even if it were something as involved as Clash Royale? Or would you count sports gamers who own consoles to get their maddun as casual?
It gets to a certain point where opinion on what is casual vs hardcore becomes the deciding factor.

>>170892167
except for orochi

>We're almost to a full page of For Honor smut on Rule 34

Yay

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>>170896236
This with PK and Nobushi, and Conq and Lawbringer on the sign

>>170896236
Shugoki, Raider, and Lawbringer all dressed as chefs making a pizza.

Shugoki is spinning the pizza in the air over his head and yelling "HAGAH SHUGOI".(or whatever he says on backbreak)
Raider is hitting it with a flaming pizza paddle yelling "READ THE PIZZA".
And Lawbringer is getting ready to flip the pizza with a flaming paddle while yelling "NO SUPESTES"

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well since there's common consensus on the top four, anyone care to figure where everyone else stands in the tiers?

It's actually kind of hard to place, I feel like Valk/Shugoki are probably the next highest and then it gets pretty blurry. I don't know where I would place Kensei / Nobushi / Zerker / Orochi, at least in respect of each other.

Can we all agree on bottom LB Raider? Because I don't even know about that... Raider LB can kind of hang with a lot of those lower tiers pretty well it seems.

How many of you played Chivalry before? How does it compare to For Honor?

>>170897032
For Honor has some bullshit, but it can't be compared to broken unblockable garbage that is Chivalry at high levels.

>>170896239
She is ridiculously versatile right now, that's for sure.
Much like the assassins too she doesn't even use her deflects and still manhandles people like crazy.
Can you imagine if she could sweep combo you while also bleeding you if you try to fight back?

If Deflect ever gets buffed it's gonna be the day of reckoning. If a character with half a kit dominates the meta I can't imagine her at full power.

>>170896236

kensei and lawman holding hands and text saying 'FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH WARDEN, now LAWMAN is my best friend'

Top tier order

Warlord
Valk
Peacekeeper
Conq

>>170896236
Warden/Nobushi lewds please! I really need it.

>>170897007
for me it's probably as follows:
warlord > conq > PK > valk/warden (maybe valk > warden given that her lights are amazing now, whereas warden's side lights are parry bait) > nobushi/orochi > raider/kensei (maybe raider > kensei, since raider's stunning tap is a better mixup that's harder to react to while also having much higher damage than kensei off of parries and such) > berserker here somewhere? a good berserker is terrifying but it doesnt matter if your block is good > LB

>>170896332
request request - orochi bank personel

Are the Samurai really the most balanced faction heroes overall?

>>170897007
>Top 4
I'm guessing that's Warden, Warlord, Peacekeeper, and Conqueror in no particular order?

> Valk/Shugoki are probably the next highest and then it gets pretty blurry.
Valk definitely because of her ease of use and ridiculous frame data.
Not sure about Shugoki though because are you counting him with or without the unblockable glitch?
Because if you are, what should you do about Warlord, since his all guard stance is now being called a glitch and is due to be fixed soon.

>I don't know where I would place Kensei / Nobushi / Zerker / Orochi, at least in respect of each other.
I don't know either. Kensei and Zerker seem to scale very well into high level mixup play, with Nobushi being slightly behind them for slightly more predictability.
Orochi is definitely the runt of the litter here though. His 3 move moveset puts him on par with Raider and LB's 2 move movesets.

>>170897007
>Raider LB can kind of hang with a lot of those lower tiers pretty well it seems.
As a Raider main I can attest that he can hang, but I can't speak for LB since I don't play him.
Hard to say though how much of it is my skill as a player, the novelty of the matchup, or the character himself being good.
Maybe people just aren't used to good Raiders and will find the counter soon enough. Hard to say.

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>>170897783
if by balanced you mean least good then yes

>>170897783
kensei can do fuckall against a good defence bar feinting which doesnt matter if they don't try to parry, orochi is similar but has disgusting damage output, nobushi has slow lights but good range and high damage with that kick which can break a guard and shoguki is like, top 5 or something

What's the key to a Conq v Shugoki matchup? It feels like fat guy is a hard counter to Conqueror, you really don't have many tools to deal with him.

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>>170891525
>>170891751
>>170891754
>>170891912

>>170897986
So what? Bleed isn't confirmed damage until the last tick.

>>170897896
>It feels like fat guy is a hard counter to Conqueror
Probably because he's designed to be.
I've been on both sides of the matchup and it's so far in favor of Goki it's hilarious.

Conq can't trade charged heavies because Goki gets hyper armor passive and his heavy is unblockable.
Conq can't shield bash before hitting because Goki is immune to bashes while his armor is up.
Conq can't counter GB>wallbash>back break because his GB range is shorter and his dodge is one of the worst in the game.

>What's the key?
Just closing application as soon as you see a big boy on the loading screen.

>>170897821
without the unblockable glitch, since desu thats pretty easy to avoid

better shugoki I have seen (particularly in 1v1) are absolute powerhouses, understanding spacing and the hyper armor charge timing turns a average player into something that is very difficult to approach.

Typically I only feel safe going after him if I have a character with a 2 hit combo, since those effectively hard counter the armor mechanic, but then it becomes an issue of him parrying my lights, or maybe sneaking a GB in before both connect.

I understand the idea of just GBing him to take out the charge, but follow that up with him simply duffing that with a light into headbutt, into massive momentum for shugoki, I think he's pretty strong in 1v1.

the timing on his heavy attack, there's 3 different timings for? That gets me a lot too, that is a really deceptively good move for mixup.

>Duel are always the same people
This is so sad. This game is like a month old.

>>170897124
valk main here, from before the buff.
The sweep combo is hit and miss,
50% of players fall for it every.single.time.
about 40% of players get hit with the lights, but can dodge the sweep flawlessly
the remaining 10% can block the lights, and every now and then some pro will parry one.
That number WILL go up over time, especially the amount that the avarage valk player spams that shit.

Personally I think the answer is to buff other chars rather than nerf powerful ones, but...
...if you had to nerf valk, how would you do it?

>>170898351
Yeah I'm learning Shugoki right now and the things he can do that no one else can are amazing.
Like being able to GB through a move, or rush someone into a knockdown at the beginning of a fight, or like you said with the charged heavy mixup. Hitting people flatfooted with a level 2 is just the most satisfying thing to see,

I'm surprised how high his skill ceiling feels too, because it's almost impossible to completely optimize his hyper armor timer, but when you get the rhythm right you really see results.

>>170898623
ya i was saying this earlier, valk has to make huge commitments to land a lot of her damage, if you play with a very defensive gameplan you might hang with some of those top tiers but your toolset is grossly minimized

>>170897226
stop posting retard

>>170897226
>slapping fools around as a conq
valk is good but not as comfy.

>>170898623
>...if you had to nerf valk, how would you do it?
You pretty much listed the nerf needed in your own post.
Her lights are way too fast right now and need to slow down by a lot.

Everything else like her shield bash or sweep after GB is fine, it's just her meat and potatoes of Light>Light>Sweep>Heavy being too fuckin strong when even you yourself said it takes a pro to block the lights let alone parry them.

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>>170897986

>>170898926
Conq is too frustrating in duels with being unable to normally finish someone

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>>170896325
I hope you like rushed work, and bad art

(Not req guy but whatever, I like drawing too)

>>170899169
T-Too lewd!

Nice job though anon. Those are some good bodies

>>170899169
Needs more sideboobs on PK.

>>170899159
>attack indicator is to the right
>the parry animation is from the top
?
Like, I know the indicators match up, but they could at least match the animations

>>170895513
PK vs PK, the most insignificant matchup yet.

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>>170899169

Just started playing as an Orochi and had my first few games, mainly against raiders and peacekeepers. I won them all fairly easily by doing top light attacks. Raider was easy to block, PK I found much harder so would dodge away after getting a couple of hits. Feel that I'm not really learning by doing that though. Tips on areas I should work on to improve? (I am a total beginner, so I've been trying to avoid combos and work on getting better at the basics).

>>170899378
Wanted to but I'm not a fan of too much l..lewd

>>170899684
Orochi is in a bad spot imo, he's really good against people that don't know him, but then he fall short against competent players

>>170899721
>not a fan of sideboobs
What a sicko.

>>170899721
>>170899793

>Wanted to

Thought of doing it**

>>170899792
It was recommended to me as apparently it's a pretty simple class to start with. I'm not worried about switching to another pick as long as it helps me get the core mechanics down.

Would giving raider hyper armour on heavies fix him or make him op?

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So, do you have any personal rules, code of conduct or etiquette during fights /fhg/ ?
>reeeee honor normies
You do you, whoever you are, no one is saying you have to follow anybody else's rules.

Personally I avoid easy wins like cliffs and spamming one move the enemy seems to be bad at countering. Not because I want to give them a chance but because the easy way out doesn't help me improve as much as challenging myself does. If I run into a teammate having a 1v1 fight and they something like "I got this!" I let them fight it out (unless I need only a few points to level my renown, then I will sneak in a hit for an assist, bite me).

>>170899975
If you like him, keep playing, you'll still learn lots of mechanics with him. It's just that a lot of his moves won't work against experienced players.

>>170899975
You just alternate between top light and zone, thats fucking it.

>>170900053

i don't think it would make much of a difference at all

to contribute, i don't know how he could be fixed

>>170900087
>>170900102
What would you recommend instead?

>>170900070
I will never throw someone off a cliff unless my opponent does it first. As soon as it happens I will play like a fucking rat. It's not about being salty and talking shit to my opponent, it's just to win at all cost at that point.

To be honest I don't even know why throwing people off cliffs is a thing in duels to begin with.

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THIS IS NOT A FUCKING JOKE. CONQ CAN DODGE LAW'S OVERHEAD UNBLOCKABLE FROM LIGHT PARRY.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!!?!?!??!?!?

>>170899684
I don't recommend Orochi for beginner.
His reflex guard that comes from being an assassin class is an especially hard mechanic to work around for a beginner, also Orochi is just particularly weak compared to the rest of the cast right now, since a fair portion of his move/chains only work against other beginners.

If you're going to learn the basics on a character, I'd recommend switching to a vanguard. In your case you should use Kensei since he has a similar moveset to Orochi with better offensive options that scale all the way up to high level play while giving you a very solid grasp on the fundamentals as you learn him.

Dodge attacks are part of the game, as you'll soon learn on Kensei, but you're right to not rely on them like a crutch because they can be punished by competent players.
Focus more on trying to stand your ground and dodge attacks, and once you feel comfortable blocking move onto parrying strikes.
With Kensei in particular you'll find it more punishing to wait for your opponent to make the first move and hit them with a retaliation instead of going all offensive (which Kensei can also do, but you leave yourself open to punishment from your opponent)

>>170900261
I personally started with Kensei, he'll teach you all the core mechanics if you play him well

>>170900070
>1v1
I won't go for cheap kills either unless they do it first, then it's open season. I never complain about it though.
>2v2
I let them fight, but like above you only get one chance, and after they are done i will rush the enemy to get the match point.
>4v4 deathmatch, skirmish, dominion
Everything goes here. If you play 4v4 expecting a 1v1 you are literally a retard and deserve to get griefed.

In dominion and skirmish it's generally accepted that all of this is ok.
But Elimination is full of salty faggots screaming about their honor. Should I be surprised by this?

>>170900313
What did you expect, retard? You got a light parry, you don't deserve a top heavy.

>>170899024
Only her first light is quick, the second is much slower and since it's the only thing she can link a light into, you should always be ready to parry it and dodge if you miss.
I'm more scared of her heavy cancel into shield crush starter because you're usually not ready to parry the following light.

Playing against a Valkyrie is kind of a guessing game but not a Warden vortex kind of scenario, there are well defined counters to every single thing she does, you have to keep your cool and react quickly. Valk is one of the very few character that can afford to go all out of offense if the opponent doesn't react.

tl:dr
Light starter, parry the second light, dodge the sweep if miss
Heavy starter, dodge the heavy OR the shield crush, do not attempt a parry.

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>>170900070
on bridge maps ill stand my ground, if they want to fight at a safezone im fine with that, but the reality of those maps is; someone's gonna get ledged, fighting against it seems counterproductive if anything.

>>170900313
what is a light parry? how does it differ from normal parry?

>>170900053
Hyper armor on his Zone would just be stupidly strong, and armor on his regular heavies doesn't really need to happen.
Mostly because Raider isn't designed to trade blows toe to toe but also because it doesn't suit the character.

>>170900503
Parrying a light nets you a larger window than parrying a heavy, since it's the harder attack to stuff.

>>170900503
light parries are when you parry a light attack, as opposed to a heavy being when you parry a heavy attack

light parries stun the parried character for longer so you can use longer attacks, ie warden can get a heavy overhead off of a light parry but not a heavy parry

>>170900438
It's a confirm on everyone else, retard.

>>170900356
Thanks I'll give Kensei a try. How often should I be parrying vs blocking?

For the orange attacks (zones?) how do you avoid these, is it just by parrying? Based on many failed dodges I assume you can't dodge them, or I've just fucked up every single one.

>>170900380
Thanks I'm going to try Kensei.

>>170900053
On his heavies? wouldn't make an awful lot of difference. Don't get interrupted when there is an easy parry to be had, or a feint is used instead.

On his unblockable? That would be a nice touch, but again it's rare to be interrupted rather than parried or dodged with that.

>>170900540
Considering his guard change is pretty slow and he has above average health I just though hyper armor on heavies seemed like a good way to deal with people spamming lights at you. You're definitely right about the unblockable though, that shouldn't get hyper armor.

>>170900476
>But Elimination is full of salty faggots screaming about their honor. Should I be surprised by this?
I don't mind intervention, just don't:
a) smack his guard a few times to charge his revenge
b) run in an instead of flanking him hit me in the back with your heavy attack
c) run in an try smacking me out of the execution animation
d) shove me off the cliff instead of the enemy

I swear to god this game needs to get damaged every time you hit your ally so that people learn about flanking.

>>170900503
>>170900724
didn't know this thanks

>>170900747
no it isnt
I bet you think Conquerors shield bash confirms a heavy too

>>170900872
not who you replied to but are you fucking legit retarded?

>>170900854
pretty much the only thing I care about in 4v4 elim is letting all 1v1 fights end naturally, but I have nothing against going in in the execution animation and kill them. But I try to always let them have their kill they've worked for the entire match. Meanwhile I can go get some buffs

>>170900469

>Playing against a Valkyrie is kind of a guessing game
>there are well defined counters to every single thing she does, you have to keep your cool and react quickly

Not him but her speed is still a problem. Law and Shugoki cannot parry via reactionary to the second hit. And because it is a guessing game you have to block all sides as she has too high a number of things to do to play predict games so easily. Reaction is impossible to do, and its literally a guess to block some things.

She needs a speed nerf, her damage is a good buff. Apart from that i really dont care. But she is just too fast for the slow characters and is too versatile to counter reliably like other fast characters.

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*ATTENTION XBROS*
There is now an /fhg/ club on xbox
If you would like to join either look up:
For Honor General Official
OR
add metalkid267 and i will invite you to the club

>>170900854
Meant for >>170900405

>>170900751
Orange attacks are unblockables. They are dodge able if you dodge in the right direction but parrying works just as well if not better. Kensei also has a feat in 4v4 modes which temporarily makes all of his moves unblockable

The execution previews don't do some of the executions justice. Bought The Stomp for the Law and holy shit the sound it makes is brutal.

>>170901091
Thanks. I tried a couple of 4v4s but it just turned into constant dogpiles, which while kind of fun didn't help me understand the mechanics.

>Duel mode
>Fun
Boy I sure enjoy fighting Warlords

>>170900070
usualy I avoid environmental kills in duels, unless my oponent starts it. tho it's tricky on certain maps, like the bridge ones
anything goes in 4v4 however. If i run in a teammate, i try and just gb or light attack to cancel the ennemy. but i see no reason not to snatch the kill if i feel like it, it doesn't bother me when it's the other way around

Not even a month ago people though Warden is balanced and Nobushi is super OP.

>>170901326
Not even a month ago the game was also not dead
Things change

>>170901254
>posting a PK webm
>nice try indeed

>>170901254
What am I seeing here?

>>170901254
>polearm chop goes literally through PK model, no damage
>dinky little one-handed sword has better reach and deals damage

This is some Dark Souls 3 bullshit.

>>170900503
It doesn't. It's just is a punishment on a faster move that is normally safe.
Usually people don't expect their lights to get parried and often end up getting punished back with a heavy.
But not this Conq the LB was playing against.

>>170900761
I forgot to add though in my original post that I think Raider's heavies should be faster, because in their current state they are easy parrybait.

Raider's lights are actually fast enough they can catch people when you block their initial light chain.
You have to really take advantage of that period when people are reevaluating how to attack you though.

>>170900751
>How often should I be parrying vs blocking?
Block light attacks and parry heavy attacks. As you get more confident you can try parrying lights, but remember that failing a parry results in your opponent hitting you through your guard.

>For the orange attacks (zones?) how do you avoid these, is it just by parrying?
Those are unblockables, you have to either parry them or dodge them.
Common ones to watch out for are
Kensei's top heavy finisher, which can easily be sidestepped, but the sidestep can be punished by a sideways cancel (you'll learn this when you learn Kensei)
Raider's Zone attack. This can be used at any time either within or outside a chain. It can be tricky to dodge depending on when the Raider uses the move, so it's highly recommended you learn the parry timing. The attack can only come from the one direction though which is a plus.
Shugoki's charged heavy. Very distinctive with the backstep animation, and the unblockable version always has the same timing. Be careful though, because Shugoki can shorten the timing of the attack and he often can't be interrupted by your own attacks due to a hyper armor passive Shugoki has.

You can always tell when someone is using an unblockable because a distinctive sound effect plays and a body part being used catches on fire. Eyes and ears open.

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>>170901483
for some reason i take no damage and law does, and i recoil as if blocked

good programming

the last frame of the webm is pretty intense too

>>170901483
The 10ft tall man with a poleaxe was just outranged by a tiny woman with a short sword.

I'm posting from the future.

Game is dead in less than 4 weeks.

>>170899684

You by any chance play on PC? Met an Orochi yesterday (as a Kensei) which seemed super new and unable to get the most out of moveset (and also never replied in the chat.

>>170901957
I do play on PC. If you won the match though it wasn't me, I somehow managed to win them all.

Tiara Cap or Wide Crown

When I play as berzerker, I struggle so fucking much against roaches.

No other class, not even PK, gives me the same trouble.

I just can't understand why. I'm not good with him, but roaches IN PARTICULAR are so fucking hard for me to beat as this guy.

>>170897896
the key is to guard break him

even if he counters it, it wastes his armour and you get to bully him all around the arena until it comes back

then you guard break him again

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>>170897275
Okay this is the first and the last time I draw such a thing. This is pain.
Hope I won't get banned.

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>>170901942

Nice typo, fag. What you wanted to say was "I'm posting from the past"

>>170902786
Neither, all PK ornaments look fucking stupid because of the hood.

>>170903098
Nah I think the tiara is really cute. Wide Crown too but 3000 is a lot.

>>170900070
>So, do you have any personal rules, code of conduct or etiquette during fights /fhg/ ?

I won't fight someone who's AFK and I won't run and gank at the beginning of a round.

Everything else I feel is fair game, although I won't interrupt a duel if it looks interesting

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>>170903092

>>170903098
>ornaments look fucking stupid

Fixed that for you

>>170903092
oh shit, there's a typo
if* we took of, obviously
working on >>170896681 now

Why does the Raider have dark brown eyes?

>>170900070
I used to not go for ledge kills unless provoked, but as a Lawbringer who has grown jaded over time, I always go it now because it's the only way to make it even

At this point, the only rule I have is for 1v1 and 2v2. If they are afk at the start of the round (or ask me to stop because their controller fucked up or something) I'll play nice and wait for them. That's about it.

In 4v4 anything goes though.

>>170903386
because WE

How do you make a chicken wing emblem?
I can't find a bone symbol.

>>170903191
>1v1
No revenge (unless they do it first)
Move to an area without environment threats if possible
Avoid going for environment kills (but I'll use them if it comes around on its own)
I play nobushi and usually even if the opponent is going to bleed to death I won't run and I'll go for an execute (unless maybe it's 2-2)
>2v2
No gank unless they do it first
No revenge unless they do it first or being ganked
Avoid environment kills, etc
>4v4
Don't run as soon as the round starts
Don't try to grab a nearby boost for the initial 1v1
Sometimes run at low hp (depends how the other team is playing and how close the game is)
Gank in 4v4 but be careful not to just give the other guy revenge when your ally is already winning (if the other team isn't ganking I won't either)
Environment kills are legit, but don't just run and stand by a cliff/spike for the initial 1v1

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so basically Ubisoft made a good game by accident
and now they have no idea what to do

>>170896236
can you do warlord and valkyrie headbutting each other with their horns

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>>170903836
Pretty much.

At least the devstreams provide a small glimmer of hope.

>>170903836
I think they have plenty idea of what to do. They've had a couple devstreams so far. Not only are they highly transparent about what's going on, but they appear to acknowledge every problem the game has and that they're making steps to address them. They acknowledge the defensive meta, they acknowledge revenge gear, they acknowledge characters needing buffs/nerfs, they acknowledge needing to gather data and avoiding kneejerk changes, they acknowledge connectivity issues, they acknowledge the issues with the Faction War.

Ubisoft has expressed clear support and willingness to legitimately improve the game.

>elimination 4v4
>tough fight against a high level opponent
>down to last bars
>nail a GB
>bring down the sweet top heavy hammer of justice to finish them off
>suddenly an ally runs in and does a light jab
>opponent glows yellow
>opponent activates revenge
>top heavy comes down
>revenge deflect knocks you down
>opponent smacks you dead while you're down
>your ally gets wrecked
gets me every time

>>170903836
I mean come on, let's be serious, They fucked up a little but it's not a lost cause, give it some fucking time to breath

>Found out that Lawbringer is the super secret ultimate fun class
>Just hanging out at the very bottom of the barrel
So I guess I'll take any advice to make this work out well, I enjoy them quite a bit and I know they're kind of popular here.

The big issue I feel like is that their moves don't hurt nearly as much as they seem like they should. Like I file the order for a heavy attack, wait 3-5 business days for delivery, sign and connect right with someone's skull, and it barely does a bar of damage. Meanwhile the raider hanging out with this class in the absolute basement has gotten 3 heavy attacks and obliterated some afk person's health bar.

>>170904081
t. Ubisoft

I want to believe, anon, but I really really doubt it.

>>170904128
It's been literally less than a month. We're only a couple days from the end of round 2 in the first season. Rainbow Six Siege is proof of what happens when Ubisoft refuses to give up on a game. It's clear they're going in deep with For Honor, so I see no reason not to support it in the long run.

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What are the best stats for Raider in your opinion?
Also which axe head do you prefer?

>>170904282
Where's that Skullception Raider that was posted a while ago?

Why is 1v1 like 50% Wardens? It's fucking retarded.

>>170904282
DUDE
SKULLS

>>170904282
is bottom right nurgle?

>>170904212
>fun
enjoy losing every duel any competent player
the best you can do is parry into unblockable overhead which does a real nasty chunk of damage
but any good player will just start playing safe since you have literally no offense

>>170904282
>best stats for raider

Defense and stamina cost reduction. Raider base damage is high enough to still three shot assassins with heavies. Rest are kinda whatever.

>which axe head

I like the second one in the pic. I don't have it in purple yet, but I had a grey and blue version of it while repping up. Best looking axe head that looks both functional and ornate at the same time.

test

>>170904379
Because the Warden is the most well-rounded character in the game who does a little of everything and has strong options in a lot of situations. He also has one of the only offensive mixups in the game right now, which sets him apart from most of the cast.

what classes require the most skill and have the highest skillcap?

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>>170904436

>>170904282
Is stamina reduction important ?

>every single Heroic Warlord arms I get has very below default Revive Speed but nearly maxed Execution Health Regen
>I have 11 arm armors

I just wanna speedy revive my bros.

>>170904561
>Knight: Lawbringer
>Viking: Berserker and Valkyrie
>Samurai: Kensei and Nobushi
All those characters either have a lot to offer in their toolkits (Law/Valk/Nobu) or otherwise require a bit more commitment to be successful with than other characters (Ken/Zerk).

>Raiders not nerfed
I'm done with this shitty game.

Peacekeeper in a tournament situation
twitch tv /forhonorfightclub/clips/goldenheadstrongarmadillocoolstorybob

>>170904605
close enough

>>170904846
You cannot be serious.

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>>170899169

>>170904846
Games pretty much dead as it is, you're getting out in the right time.

>>170904613
With that stats on the pic he is probably exhausted after one zone attack

>>170904613
Stamina reduction is very important. It lets you swing more without getting gassed.

>>170904561
>Tinmen: Lawbringer.

You really have to be on point with your parries and counters if you want to not die as the lawman.

>Neckbeards: Raider.

Raider is a lot like berserker, in that he needs to feint a fuckton, but he doesn't really have any effective method of opening his opponents up. The unblockable zone attack is easily parried, and the hit registration on the unblockable charge-grab is garbage. Not to mention it leaves him vulnerable to being simply guard broken if it misses.

>Weeaboos: Kensei

Kenseis heavies are fucking suicidal if you try them against anyone that can parry. Especially the unblockable, like holy shit. All the competent Kenseis I've faced have to be a lot like the Lawbringer: On fucking point with parries and mind games.

>>170904741
Lawbringer is only a "high skill" class in that it sucks so bad that you have to play really solid with what little you're given just to have any chance at all. Most "good" lawbringers just sit and parry then bring down the overhead because that's all they can really do.
Orochi also has to make good use of their kit but a lot of it comes down to dash attack canceling a lot.

>>170905090
It's been less than a month. It's too soon to be calling dead game, especially when Ubisoft has R6S to prove that a game of theirs can get better and legitimately grow over time.

>>170905134
>Parries

Not really

>Counters

Definitely

>>170904741
>Valkyrie
>Skill
lol

>>170905241
Like it or not, Valkyrie has one of the most dense toolkits in the game. You don't see many Valks using her full arsenal, because she's got a lot.

>>170905134
Seems to me like Kenseis have some of the best options against players with good defense. They have some of the best feint/cancel options to throw others off guard plus their range not only allows them to feint relatively safely a lot but also keeps them out of max parry punish range for many classes.
I think nobushi is probably more fitting. They don't have anything that's really fast and they really have to make use of their whole kit (including hidden stance) to catch an opponent off guard.

Since we're apparently dying, have the prudes fucked off?

>>170905134
>Kenseis heavies are fucking suicidal if you try them against anyone that can parry. Especially the unblockable, like holy shit.
Which is why Kensei can cancel the top heavy unblockable into at least four different attacks.

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>>170905294
first time i got hit by her bleed was weeks into release

I just got the game and goin though the different classes in Free Mode.
Is the Nobushi considered OP? I really like the feel it has and it's maneuverability.

>>170905463
Actually, no. Kensei requires more mindgames because he has no unique way to legitimately open up an enemy's defense. This is why Warlord and Conqueror are the Kensei's two toughest matchups.

>>170905541
No

>>170905534
Looks like solaire finally found his sun

>>170905565
Warlord and Conqueror are everyones hardest matchups lol

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>>170905541
Things have leveled off significantly since open beta. Nobushi is now solidly mid-tier: she's got a lot of options and links on top of her range (her best asset), but she has stamina issues and is one of the more telegraphed characters in the game.

>>170905294
>You don't see many Valks using her full arsenal, because she's got a lot.
you don't see many valks using her full arsenal because they all use the same ridiculous 2 combos over and over
god forbid you run out of stamina while trying to avoid all her bashes and sweeps because when you're exhausted and she starts a sweep combo you may as well just stop playing

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Time to post some themes, is it not?

Nobu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ0_0bBARq8

Ken:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHGUdWjoS44

Now that almost a month has passed, how is the player count?

>>170905898
game is doing fine, concurrent numbers mean basically nothing

>>170905134
I usually don't even try to parry a good Kensei because they have so many cancel options that your chances of guessing properly are extremely low.
I've also noticed good Kensei players only commit to an unblockable maybe once or twice in an entire game. They mostly just use it to try to bait out a parry attempt.

>>170905704
>of the more telegraphed characters
This means you can sort of predict her attacks, right?
I guess I'll just have to see how she fairs in actual online right after the content is done "installing" :^)

two times i have fought berserker in 1v1 and i swear to god they teleport sometimes

i'm not sure if it's because berserkers always side evade all the time that makes it more susceptible to issues like this, but there have been times where they initiate the dodge and then suddenly it looks like the game just cuts out and then they're already hitting me

>>170905541
Nobushi is mid 4
Slow guard change
Slow lights
Low hp

Early on you should wreck people, then you'll be parried and people reflex guardbreaking the open air, then you'll plateau out as people follow up parries correctly.

>>170905790
nah

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>>170903191
>1v1
Ledges are fair game. No revenge. Not using execution move unless they start doing it.

>2v2
Executions ok. Ledges ok. Wait for your turn if the others are still 1v1ing. Swapping targets in that one weird forest labyrinth is okay, though I try to target always the one my pal isn't.

>4v4
Finish the initial 1v1 first in elimination. The rest is anything goes. Priority on reviving teammates over hunting powerups or enemies.

I give AFKers five seconds.

Super fast zone attacks are honestly retarded.

As a Lawbringer it feels like the large majority of my losses to Wardens and Orochis are because I get whittled down by not being able to have perfect reactions to their top lights since I always have to fucking have guard in side for their zone attacks. Why are zone attacks even that fast? It makes no sense.

>>170906057
Nobushi can take strong advantage of guardbreaks, as she can get any raw heavy off a guardbreak. This is exceptionally handy if you already stacked a bleed on the enemy beforehand, since her Way of the Shark says she does bonus damage against a bleeding enemy. Bleed > GB > heavy means you can chunk anyone in short order.

>>170905704
Why do people always say stupid shit like range is her best asset.

Range is fucking meaningless in this game. You just walk up to her and she can literally do nothing. She isn't solid mid tier either. She's among the worst. Parry is everything in this game.

>>170905565
You can cancel the unblockable into pretty much any sort of attack which makes parrying the Kensei really difficult.
What he doesn't have that Warden and Conq and Warlord have is a very safe and difficult to avoid offensive bash attack. Neither do any of the other weeb classes either.

>>170905898
game is doing what we all expected it to do which is weeding out the shitters who can't git gud and having a decent following of viewers for tournaments on twitch.

our tournament yesterday had 1000 viewers without any advertisement

>>170906165
>Not using execution move unless they start doing it.
What? Why?

>>170906165
>Ledges are fair game.
So, if someone makes absolutely no effort to parry, dodge or even block an enemy's attacks, it's fair that if they can just guard break one time at a convenient place they earned that win.
Review your concept of fair.

>>170906165
>Not using execution move unless they start doing it.
For what purpose? It's not like you'll need the hp after the round is over.

>>170906279
>Range is fucking meaningless in this game.
The range on Kensei/Nobushi means that even if they get parried they're often far enough away that they can't be punished to the maximum extent with a heavy or a GB.
That's really it though.

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>>170906445
do you have any idea how hard it is to actually land a guard break outside of parry right now?

if you get thrown you deserve it big time

>>170906165
Have you been checked for autism

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Why can I not punish Nobushi, Kensei, or Valkyrie after a parry with a gb? Also, why is the only way to parry PK's side light is to predict it?
Is this how fucked the game is or is it the connection? Or am I just bad?

Pretty sure if you removed Bleed from Nobushi she'd still be a perfectly good character and be a million times more tolerable.

>>170906604
>his opinion directly opposes mine, he must have no idea
Forget it. I thought I was talking to someone intelligent.

not sure how useful this is against actually good players, but a potential lb tip: when fighting someone out of stamina, try to go for shoves to keep them out of stamina. eventually they will learn and dodge out of the way when you leap towards them. once they get into this habit, the trick is to leap forward like you're going to shove them, but instead wait a bit and just do a normal guard break. since they were dodging they can't counter it

it has surprisingly worked out for me recently. generally it will only work a few times against an opponent but it can be nice to get some free hits on them

Would you guys say this game does take skill?

I have the game and have been playing it for quite a bit but I'm curious if its worth investing my time into getting good at it. A 1v1 game that takes a lot of skill would be nice.

>>170906604
You can punish dodge step with it, like in your video there.
Feint into GB also works sometimes.
People tend to get antsy around ledges and dodge step a lot to try to shift away from them.

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>>170906738
Despite the shitposting you'll inevitably get, this game does take skill. It's not unlike a fighting game: you have to learn the core mechanics, you have to learn your character's specific mechanics and tools, and you have to skillfully employ them in combat. You can't just wail mindlessly at enemies, or your'll get bodied. There is an element of gitting gud, too, so there is room for growth as well.

>>170906302
Fh tournament? sign me the fuck up sir

>>170906667
>bitching about non top-4
shitter pls

>>170906738
no dude, the game takes absolutely zero skill which is why there are players who will absolutely shit on everybody while the plebs play their 4v4 "fun modes"

>>170906738
Yes but you have to be prepared to stomach some pretty heavy balancing issues right now.

Particularly with the Warden, Conq, and Warlord being super overpowered to the point where at a high level they really have to fuck up for you to have any chance at all with a different class.

Except maybe peacekeeper. If you like cheese.

>>170906704
im not even that guy, but if you get thrown with the egregious window to tech and fail or as >>170906785
suggests, dodge near a ledge, you deserve to die.

>>170906946
I would not put Warden at the same level as Warlord. He is not so stong as to be actively detrimental to the game.

>>170906920
>60 damage three frame attack
>insane versatility
>not top-4
The fuck?

>tfw I can finally parry Orochi top light consistently
You roach cheeselords are fucking donezo.

>>170906915
there are like 3-4 tournaments every week bro

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>Playing Law last night
>Brawl, pull a pub berserker
>against two roaches
>berserker gets ledged in ten seconds and ragequits
>roaches gank me
>get lucky and shove one off a cliff
>other eats a revenge pumped Ad Mortem and gets hoisted
"Don't do drugs, kids. It's against the law."
>both disconnect
>mfw
Court's_Adjourned.mp4

>>170906165
Default to respecting 1v1 in everything but dominion, and even there I'll favor it. If enemies don't, I remember which ones and freely gank them. Try and make sure 1v1's start away from hazards, but if we wind up near them it's fair game.

>>170906401
No point, wastes the other player's time while you jerk off to your kill animation.

>>170907007
That's a stupid thing to say.
Several combos are required to chip a health bar down to critical levels, and of course depending on the exact match up, it becomes more easy or more difficult.
But you are suggesting that if at any point during an encounter that someone fails to press one button at the right time, they lose no matter how well they were able to fight before that point.

>>170907039
Warden is good because of his mixup potential, Warlord and Conq are good because they're incredibly safe, and Peacekeeper is good because her AoE is incredibly fast and her engagement options are super strong.

>>170906401
>>170906452
Executions feel like a waste of time in duels. It's just gloating over a kill that already happened for some extra seconds.

>>170906628
How so?

>>170907048
>not parrying roach zone after 1 month

>>170907179
As Law you gotta make do. Block change is super slow so you have to block which you find more threatening. To me I get hit by AoE way more than top light, so I hold my guard right and parry top.

>>170907165
I've never even considered that there might exist people who get rustled when they get executed 1v1.

Bravo, autist.

this Warlord guide should be added to the others in the OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjr2ERe-N1o

fuck i hate that class

>>170907147
It reinforces that positioning is important, and the environment is just as deadly as your opponent.

What button do you kb+m boys use for feint? Got my thumb buttons reserved for dodge and guard break

>>170907345
whats wrong with the default E

>>170907319
That doesn't mean shit.

>>170907313
Just because something is OP doesn't mean it's no skill. Headbutt spam will get you punished as everything else. It's dangerous in the mixups and rest of the kit.

>>170907429
Dunno, though sometimes it just refuses to work, dunno if i just click it too late or it's my game sperging out

>>170907147
The environment is a part of the game, not considering that is little more than handicapping yourself for no reason.

Do you deserve to die if you get cornered by a conq? How about if a Lawbringer pancakes you off, is that unfair? If a shugoki knocks you off with his run (which is far greasier than GB), is that unfair?

>no way to force bots to use only light attacks for parry practice

fucking ubisoft

>>170896080
I don't get it, why do they roll the shove? Do they not know that LB has no follow up to the shove? Wtf?

I just get hit by the shove and then block/gb whatever the LB tried to follow up with.

>>170904487
???? Are you serious? Stamina cost reduction is not better than attack. I can't imagine going stamina reduction + defense yields good results for you. You wouldn't be able to kill a 108 warlord in 10 minutes with that set up because a heavy would do maybe a 5th of a bar.

Go attack max defense 2nd. Stamina reduction is not good enough on any characters, even heavy hitters like shugoki and raider. You need the attack to counter act defense gear.

>>170907287
I dunno if being rustled is the right word, but it does waste time. Also I don't think you know what autism actually means, judging by how you use it.

>>170907459
It does in Soul Calibur, and it does in For Honor.

>>170907060
Well thanks for telling me all about how to enter dude

>>170907536
Yes.

>>170896080
>Spam shove Gb and heavy, they can't do shit about it when they're in exhaustion mode
What? They most certainly can guard break that.

You're playing against shitters.

>>170907039
I would for sure. Warlord is definitely strong is a much more cheesy bullshit way (headbutt into free light) but Warden's offensive mixup options are just downright ridiculous.
Not just one but two (2) extremely fast attacks (zone/top light) whose speed is rivaled only by one or two other moves in the entire game.
Solid defense.
Best of all, an extremely powerful shoulderbash which the opponent has a 50/50 chance of avoiding depending on if you bash or cancel into GB or even a light.
That's right, you can literally force a 50/50 on your opponent whenever you want almost entirely safely. The only way you can be punished is by select champs with dodgestep light attacks and even then they have a 50% chance of getting fucked anyway.
Not to mention if they're out of stamina you can chain bash->doubleslap infinitely.
No other class has anywhere near that sort of arsenal of safe and powerful offensive options

>>170907794
>Not just one but two (2) extremely fast attacks (zone/top light) whose speed is rivaled only by one or two other moves in the entire game.

Warden's top light is in no way special, the majority of the cast has either a top or side light at the same speed (15 frames)

>>170907758
>When they catch on

regardless if that's the case I guess every roach, Nobu and PK are shitters