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>Was treated to the business end of a new animation:
>>170674847

>Discord-sponsored tournament on March 25:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdE5nW644n-uDkR2sLrJD--n4Nsynw2f9GP2BJOrNUBpgiBiw/viewform

>Ringed City DLC stuff
Announcement trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igomOLwqsV0
Screenshots/art: https://imgur.com/a/83M79
Gameplay footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8Ke647-xsU
Redacted "Capital Knight" armor set screenshots: http://imgur.com/wIM6rIJ
Vaati's notes, trimmed (MAJOR SPOILERS, read with a grain of salt): http://pastebin.com/Y7MTapKN
Leaked first boss fight (link ded again): https://sendvid.com/ppo6urmb
Famitsu screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/A6diD
TRC gameplay from PAX East stream: https://mega.nz/#!nFUhTJTY!sVWEb4jeiteATO9mFWKPmtOuyPQiPI6IKEWXH1uS3qo

>Character Planner
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/

>DARK SOULS 3
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u8Mak1goSv4g73g16XsWV4sJelDQUatWkP2kcO6GVAA/pub

>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v

>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/eNY3su63

>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a

>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n

>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3

>Community & Fanart
http://pastebin.com/vVWz9pJm
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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.
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>>170724271
>they actually did unique animation for this
nice
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>>170724271
is there gonna be more TRC streams from PAX? or are we gonna have to wait for eceleb?
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>>170724271
The Mail Breaker is the greatest tool.
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>>170724529
There's an e-celeb stream on Wednesday featuring three streamers. Otherwise, people might phone-record gameplay from the PAX booth (which will undoubtedly show more content than what the Bamco reps did).
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you know what invaders need

more gimmicks

I'd be fine with the current system if they got more things like the obscuring ring.
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Redpill me on archdeacons staff. It sounds great, you can use sorceries effectively while using high faith for buffs.
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>>170725082
It's the best staff in the game if you have the massive stat requirements to make the scaling work.
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what's the rough maximum SL you can go to and still get summoned/summons at pontiff duels and late game coop like NK, champ, etc?
asking before i accidentally overlevel my glass cannon character
thanks
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>>170724271

>Stab it twice in the Humanity and it disperses and leaks out

Interesting.
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>>170724953
if invaders got a buff for each phantom the host had summoned, it'd be really nice. and that buff could be split between multiple invaders. stuff like a % damage boost, or at least an absorption buff.
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if an invader black crystals out, does the host and phantoms get estus charges back as if they'd killed him?
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>>170725580
Nope, they get nothing.
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>>170725389
You could just remove the hp debuff.
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>>170724271

Those dudes look a lot like the Human Effigies.
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>>170725180
200
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>>170725180
Champ is probably around level 80. NK you can easily go up to 100, maybe even higher.
For Pontiff duels you could technically go all the way up to 140, since a lot of people throwing their signs down are level 120.
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>>170725613
wonderful

>host and phantom constantly trading off time for estus charges
>host throws all his throwing knives and firebombs at me
>get distance and BC out

it's a petty victory, but i'll take it
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>>170725580
No. It's a way to give the finger to gankers after you have annoyed the shit out of them and had them use all their estus. It's not much, but it is something.

There even is a high chance that you will invade them right afterwards(because of dried finger), this time you having estus and they don't.
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>>170725082
With 13 int + scholar's ring or 18 int you can use great heavy soul arrow (probably the most fp-efficient spell in the game) as effectively as a dedicated int build. It's good for clearing out mooks or enemies on faith builds you have no decent options against, like the dragonslayer armor.
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>>170725580
They don't get shit. Which gets really funny if you end up invading them again, as you now have full estus and they haven't recovered any.
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What's the most common weapons on DS2? I'm not used to PVP and I'm having a hard time adapting to other players so I figured I should try out some of the more common weapons to get a feel for their range/moveset.
I'm using the GS but I'm down for anything fun.
STR focused build but I'm gonna start dumping points in dex too for quality since this is my first run and I just wanna try stuff out.
Suggestions would be appreciated
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>>170725580
>be darkmoon
>mfw invader crystals out during a 1v1 fight when he realizes he cant gank me but has to do a fair fight
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>>170726068
Joke's on you, you don't get an ear if he black crystals out
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>>170726068
if i get counter-invaded i prefer to hunt down the blue if i'm not being pressured by the host
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>>170725659
>>170725713
Thanks guys, I'll stick to about 130-140ish
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>>170724271
>playing through ringed city
>slowly crawling through the ashen ruins
>hear a muffled voice asking for help
>it's coming from a pile of ash
>you pull a man out of the ash
>yfw it's solaire
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HAPPENING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI7nRkq9CEo
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>>170725978
Outside of the standard longsword/estoc that are indeed still very good in that game too, the Warped Sword, Red Iron Twinblade/Santier's Spear, and the Sanctum Mace are all pretty strong weapons, though several of those are more dex-oriented.
Thankfully, there's a chart for this, so take a look and see what looks interesting.
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>>170726494
I think I would actually alt-f4 and uninstall the game at that point.
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>>170725389
Remove the rounding down of estus. Just set a flat cap on how much you can bring. Example: you can only bring 10 estus max, divided between regular estus and ashen estus. Low level invasions are fucking awful.

>you brought 3 estus? lol now you have 1
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>>170726068
>be darkmoon
>summoned to anor londo
>start fighting red
>aldrich faithful comes to help him
>kill the faithful
>another one comes
>kill him to
>start wrecking red
>he runs away and crystals out
Being a blue is such bullshit. In the one time a day I actually get summoned I killed two of my covenant's arch-enemies and drove off the invader and got no reward at all.
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>>170726512
HOLY SHIT
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>>170726512
oh fug
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>>170726512
This is real time gameplay of the Vanguard fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKJ2bSoaI8M

Audio is broken in the game atm.
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>>170726512
SONY PS4 FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
PC MASTER RACE
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demons souls is no longer a ps3 exclusive. What do we do now sonybros?
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>>170727216
First of all, you take your console war shitposting back to the main board.
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>>170726565
Thank you anon. Someone on Dragon Aerie dropped me warped sword, red iron twinblade and sanctum shield I think. Guess they knew what they were doing and I got lucky. That chart is really useful too. Thanks again!
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>>170726512
N-NOOOOOO! THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR GAME BROS
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>>170726512
>>170727090
Garbage audio aside, it's amazing that it runs at those speeds, considering this emulator was almost dead 2 months ago.
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>>170727114
>DeS
>PS4
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>>170727114
>>170727216
>>170727489
y tho
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>>170726215
>>170726068
>invader black crystals when blue spirits join in


I heard this was a policy among the jap community. Pretty funny and sadistic either way
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How the hell do you pvp in 3? Do you HAVE to twink as hard as possible to beat the typical invaders in early/mid-game? It feels like their health bars are a mile long, and they seem to have endless estus.

Every black phantom I encounter also employs the same strategy, usually with a katana or straight sword: roll spam into rolling R1, then R1 spam. If they miss the rolling R1, they just back off and wait for stamina then start rolling again. I can't seem to catch their rolls, and they all seem to have an extra 5 feet of range on all of their swings.

Even if I manage to get a few hits in, they just sprint behind monsters and chug. I feel like invasions weren't this difficult before, even SL1 twinks in DaS1 could be beaten.
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>>170727090
Hey, if more people can finally get a playthrough of the game, I'm down for it. Especially since there might finally be a way to play the game without the framerate shitting itself.
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it would be amazing if they somehow got online working, even though it would probably be even more dead than it is on ps3
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>>170726512
BUT WILL I BE ABLE TO BE THE OLD MONK?
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>>170727503
It recently got a Patreon, so the guy in charge works full time on it.
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>>170727676
that strategy is literally every invaders in dark souls

you could always summon 3 buttbros to carry you through levels on a palanquin, or git gud and wear them down because they can't have as many estus as you at whichever point you're at due to charge round-down
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>>170727676
>How the hell do you pvp in 3?

You don't.
You play the game as it is, a cashgrab fueled by marketing and hype with a mediocre pve and a terrible pvp. You play for 150 hours or so and you leave it there because it will stop being fun.

>inb4 ds3 is not bad
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>>170727786
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>>170726512
I really hope this means we'll be able to revive demons souls online someway on pc
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>>170728076
>demon's souls private servers
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>>170727625
>Anon doesn't know.
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>>170728116
>the private server curse making the online an even more glitchy mess
the horror
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is there a cheese for the immortal guard dogs of mcdonnel? these things are tearing me a new asshole on NG++, 1 swipe is more damage than a +10 estus flask can heal
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>>170727858
I don't want to be a faggot, though, I want to stomp these guys into the ground.

I've been trying to practice by putting my summon sign down in invasion-heavy areas, but the host always summons as many phantoms as possible and it's not exactly a fair fight, or I get stunlocked by R1 spam and die before the black phantom runs out of stamina.

Also, I've encountered guys who just summon phantoms while (what I assume is a friend of theirs) farms them, which is pretty aggravating.
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>>170727917
Ah, I remember when 1 was the shitty knock-off that barely brought anything new to the table and just copy-pasted Demon's Souls characters and levels with references out the ass.

I remember when 2 was the cashgrab fueled by marketing and hype with terrible pve and pvp that took a full year of patches to reach a playable state.

This shit gets really old.

If you're this bitter, is there any reason you're in this general outside of spite?
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>>170727670
I JUST WANT TO HELP
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>>170728281
you can roll out of every r1 spam after 2 hits
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>>170728336
>This shit gets really old.

As old as this saga if you ask me.
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>>170728242
hidden body + great chaos fire orb
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>>170728336
I wish people stopped caring about games they don't like.
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>>170724330
There is plenty that can be done with multi-mob fights, and things like DS2's variable turning restrictions were an evolution which I think would have been good for the game. The first thing that needs to be done is to push people off the lock-on system and get the general population comfortable with free aiming things. The extra control over direction allows new ideas in combat, and multiple targets are the best way to encourage those new ideas.
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>>170728281
>I don't want to be a faggot
>I want to stomp these guys into the ground

Pick one and only one.
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>>170727676
You can use seeds to deal with the "hiding behind monsters" thinge. Invaders in dark souls 3 have a hp debuff and less estus than you(most of the time). Invaders usually are better players than hosts so you might just have to get good. Try parrying them if they are as predictable as you describe.

Maybe even somebody on /dsg/ is willing to protect you against twinks.

>SL1 twinks in DaS1 could be beaten

Dark souls twinks had it WAY easier with 99 soft humanity and insta-backstabs.
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>>170728426
I did it by using cat ring and ladderstalling. they don't know what to do after a plunging attack and use their thunder smite attack which gives me enough time to stagger and then kill them
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>>170726602
Are you actually that autistic? I mean it'd be kind of cheesy, but come on.
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>>170714249
Ok, finally finished farming to sl120, now I'll make Sturmschwuchtel. Any idea of what starting class could work with the neo-nazi white trash? I guess the white branch would work as a starting gift
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>>170728530
One thing that I didn't like about the turning restrictions in 2 is that it made a lot of weapons feel like you were hit with a limitation that wasn't compensated for when compared to some of your other options. For example, the turning restriction on a rapier versus a straight sword does feel like something of a punishment, though I suppose you could argue that the damage types are different at the very least.
Still, I would agree that having that mechanic meant you needed to work around something new, which I wish they had expanded on instead of just scrapping.
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I want Soulsborne to be a genre.
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Anyone on PS4 want to dupe soul of a great champion? I need about 4 million souls but no fucking way am I farming that.
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>>170729439
fuck you
>playing in Automata
>there's dark souls-esque death system
THIS
CANNOT
CONTINUE
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>>170728982
whoops, i meant knight
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>>170729439
As if this fucking saga didn't trashed a lot of cool game concepts to pander to the autistic weebs that play it lmao.

>"I-Its called S-Soooulslike xD"

Choke on a dick my man.
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>>170729439
It already is a genre. It fucking sucks.
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>>170729581
I see. I'm trying to get the appearance, but don't really know what to do.
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>>170729609
Such as?
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Who's a bad enough dude to help clear SL30 final boss & keep yuria alive?
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Any active DS1 pvpers?
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>>170730464
Give me a sec to Get a Black Iron Greatshield
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>>170730464
Sure. Let me blow on my Dark Souls cartridge first.
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>>170730973
Is Dark Souls post-apocalyptic?
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>>170729240
Rapiers significantly out-damage straight swords in 2 because of the counter bonus, making them one of the highest DPS weapons in the game. That's a pretty respectable trade off.
Also since DS2 had proper dual wielding mechanics you had the opportunity to create complimentary builds such as 1H Rapier with another weapon covering the turning restriction. Estoc+Longsword is extremely effective and covers all bases. Builds like this are where DS2 really expanded on the Souls combat system, as you then have 4 useful attack buttons each with their own purpose. Rather than just differences in range, speed, damage and swing arc, DS2 adds in turning ability so you're also considering angles, and have to use all 4 buttons situationally.
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>>170730464
>no platform or password
Something something Atari 2600
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>>170731051
didn't mean to quote
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>>170731051
Yes.
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>>170731051
only the netcode
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tfw final boss is Nephilim
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>>170731187
>>170730973
>>170730623
PC, password atari
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>>170731051
DeS, DaS1, and DaS2 aren't

BB sort of is
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I feel like the translation of the Titanite Slab takes on more meaning now.
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>>170727090
>>170726512

>DaS people finally get to play DeS
>they FINALLY realize it's the definitive game of the series
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>>170731429

>BB
>post apocalyptic
>when it's the only game in the series that doesn't revolve around the entire world being at risk of complete destruction
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>>170731632
>less content
>worse balance
>less viable gear in PvP
>clunkier combat
>world tendency grinding
>hellish upgrade material grind
>mandatory cling ring
>uglier than all but DaS2

It's a good game, but better has been made since.
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>>170727090
Do online features actually work? I see ghosts and such.
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>>170731338
Full?
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>>170731759
>revolve around the entire world being at risk of complete destruction
That'd be pre-apocalyptic, wouldn't it?
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>>170731954
You are correct. Bloodborne happens after the Beastly Scourge has already set in and wiped out the town and surrounding area, and various bullshit related to the Great Ones has wiped out places from further than that. You're essentially cleaning up after it and preventing it from spreading, by murdering all the beasts and ayys, and telling the Moon Presence to fuck off.
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>>170731632
Nope even Dark Souls 2 is better then Demon (which is still pretty amazing)
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Daily reminder that these are the pilgrim butterflies and not londor pilgrims
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>>170731632
I think it should get some credit for pretty much laying the framework for every other game, but I think that it's been improved on in a lot of ways in the other games since its release. It's still a good game, and I've always enjoyed it, but it's certainly not the be all and end all.
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>>170732340
They have hands, the pilgrim butterflies are all wings.
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>>170732426
they're just not done metamorphizing
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>>170731632
Valley of Defilement is the best token poison level in the series.
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>>170731051

an apocalypse is a world-changing disclosure or revelation, so technically all of them can be considered apocalyptic via old one, great ones, and the fading flame/ man's ascension
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Who /dried finger run at dlc release/ here?
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Ok, I think I'm finally ready, no idea what kind of build a neo-nazi white trash would have tho, neither what weapons and armour it'd use.
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>>170731129
>Also since DS2 had proper dual wielding mechanics
I sorely miss this, to be honest. Like you said, it really helped with expanding the options you had, and yeah, it let you cover the weaknesses of one of your weapons with a different one while retaining the full movesets of both.
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>>170732624
Faraam or drang boots for jackboots maybe?
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>>170729439
Roguelike and Metroidvania still make me cringe
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>>170732340

they are LITERALLY called pilgrim butterflies
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Xbox one twin princes at fog gate please.
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Does Sacred Flame serve for anything other than humiliation purposes? I wish it'd deal more damage, though. The effort it takes for it to actually connect is fucking atrocious.
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>>170732982
Will skip cutscenes
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>>170733132
>estoc

sigh
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>>170733450
I usually switch around my weapons between every game, what about it? Am I supposed to use one weapon for the rest of my life because I don't want to trigger people at /dsg/?
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>>170733760
Don't worry, it's not banned in the tournament :^)
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>>170733795
>implying I'll attend to the tournament
No, thank you very much!
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Playing SotFS. Would it be beneficial to get either the Estoc or Longsword to +6? Either one would replace my Varangian Sword +7. What's better for PvE, a Mace or Estoc?

I'm partway through the second DLC, which I've never played before. My main goal is to beat Fume Knight and get his soul so whenever I get to Ornifex I can make the FUGS and upgrade that as soon as possible.

Is 30 VIG good enough for Fume Knight?

>>170732624
Use the mist pyromancies. Gas 'em. Gas 'em all.
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>>170731051
Yes, all the Souls Games are post apocalypse, and Bloodborne is mid apocalypse.
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>>170733760
>he actually wasted points to get shit like GFS or witch locks instead of just using dark infused plow, estoc, longsword, thrall axe and onyx blade and saving some stat points
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Guys can I warp to the tomb of the giants bonfire before nito, if I haven't killed nito yet?
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>>170734142
I already wasted enough points going pyro, might as well go all the way through. What's wrong, don't you like having a nice arsenal of weapons?
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>>170732340

Wait a minute...are these mid stage pilgrims? After hatching like we see in the DLC but before butterfly phase?

They're definitely the pre-phase of Pilgrim Butterflies. That has been known. No question, though. The Angels and the Pilgrims are NOT one and the same. They are related, but not the same.
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Dark Souls 3 has the best PVE content. PVP whiners can go back to spamming rapiers.
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>>170734153
You can warp to any bonfire that is a warpable point once you get the lordvessel if you've already lit that bonfire during the playthrough.
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>>170734363
thank you
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>inb4 lapp is solaire or the furtive pygmy
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>>170734315
I like souls games
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>>170734417
Nah he's actually Pate.

>Tells you about treasure in dangerous areas
>Seems pretty helpful
>Sounds simliar to Patches
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>>170734417
he's obviously velka
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>>170734429
this
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>playing with a friend in road of sacrifices
>running straight to the boss arena as a guy invades me
>enter the fog gate, start fighting the boss
>friend can't get through
>crystal sage is at 5% HP and teleporting around, I'm at a little below half HP, don't care about healing because sneezing on the sage will kill him instantly the moment he pops up
>invader somehow gets inside the boss arena and backstabs me while I was looking for the sage to show up
holy fuck this game can be such a trashcan sometimes
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Guys im out of ideas for what sort of build to do for ds3 give me some help here
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Has anyone tried out the new update to the unofficial patch?
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>>170734668
Great club

Heysel pick

Curved Greatswords

Greatbows
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>>170734668

Claws only (Regular, Manikin, Crow, etc.)
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>>170734315
>practically unlimited rolling and stamina
>spammy hyperspeed bosses and enemies in place of varied or interesting encounter design
>poorly balanced scaling and infusions
>overly linear
>too many bonfires in many areas
>number of bonfires and warping often undermines any shortcuts or clever level design

I mean, I don't even hate DS3 and actually enjoy the game a lot but it's pretty much disqualified from being the 'best' at anything when it will always be a poorly thought out and half baked mixture of bloodborne and dark souls at its very core.
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>>170734668
quality pyro
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>>170734071
I will, thanks for reminding me. I'll use the Zweihander as a main weapon, I think.
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>>170734417

It seems confirmed that it's Patches. Dreg Heap is apparently a favorite place for thieves. And it would-be be the first time he's pulled the ol' Switcheroo with armor and hiding his face. Speaks the same, claims he lost his memory, and even the description implies that you shouldn't trust him.
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>>170734668
Golden Ritual Spear build

Pyromancer

Vig: 39
Att: 20
End: 30
Vit: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 10
Int: 23
Fai: 60
Luck: 7

Spells: Great Farron Dart, Farron Flashsword, Soul Greatsword

Leo ring, sage ring, young and bellowing dragon ring

Don't forget the Crown of Dusk
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>>170735014

Seconding this. Golden Ritual Spear is fun as fuck.
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>>170734935
Deserter helmet looks a bit like the Stahlhelm the SS and Wehrmacht wore.
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What's the best UGS for a quality build?
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>>170735325
F
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>>170735325
Profane I think.
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>>170735325
propane
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>>170734417
Nah it's actually boruto
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Any build is viable for PVE really. Practically every weapon too.
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>>170726512

is my flash player lagging or does it just stutter quite literally every 3 seconds
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>>170734071
Estoc is mainly a PvP weapon due to speed and poise damage. The Rapier will put more damage out, but both may struggle to stagger the beefier mobs in the DLCs. Mace is a pretty good PvE weapon because it stagger locks fairly well and the strike damage is handy.
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Finally got to rapiers. What happened to ricards? It feels so inferior compared to estoc and crow quills. I've seen it's wa oneshotting people with darkmoon/lightning blade buff, was it nerfed somehow with other rapiers?
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>>170735595
Try beating Friede with a greathammer that was a nightmare. Had to switch to Millwood Battleaxe to do it.
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How would you react to:

Poison:
Now lasts 30 seconds, and deals 1% of HP + 8 flat damage every second.

?
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>>170735794
I think I'd probably react by mossing it famalam.
This would make Farron Keep unplayable.
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>>170734557
Pate sounds nothing like Patches.
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>>170735794
with a purple moss
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>>170735794
I'd know you can't formulate your own ideas.
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>>170735735
C rank dex scaling happened.
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>>170735794
Putting a moss into quick slot.
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>>170735742

You can beat her with any weapon if you keep fishing for select moves you can punish.
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>>170735742
Greathammers are pretty easy against friede, stomped her on my str build with a heavy zweihander on ng+.
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>>170735951
It's A on sharp. Maybe it's like S scaling on painting guardian.
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>>170735924
It's from the patch, yes. I'm considering playing it.

>>170735892
>>170735901
I mean how would you react seeing it in FromSoft patch notes? Obviously mossing it is the way to go. I'd say it probably makes poison strats viable.

Farron would be a shithole, I think, but probably not too bad. There's only really one area where you can't possibly make the run without getting poisoned, and that's the dusk cave. Everywhere else you can wait for a bit to clear it. Either that, or ever actually use poisonbite/purple moss, which nobody bothers with.
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>>170736179
At this point just change every poison source to toxic, as poison is useless in both PvE and PvP.
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>>170736118
The damage is overall lower though. Probably to compensate for how buffing works. I know the damage calculation is weird with the weapon skill.
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>>170735142
I'll try to get it. Also first summoning and the guy has 2 other phantoms and they all get killed by 1 invader.
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>>170736335
Early summons are squishy as hell and usually not very coordinated.

Have you considered to get the storyteller staff instead of investing into pyromancy for the poison gas? Storyteller WA is better than the cloud pyros since it scales. Saves some points you know?
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>>170725724
You just sound like a retard.
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>>170735735

It's fine. The WA is what sets it apart from other rapiers, although the Crow's Quills have a lighter version of it. It's definitely a lot better in 3 than it was in 1 (due to poise), but I think its best iteration was in 2 because the lunge had the most insane tracking of any weapon in the game.
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I'm the guy who killed andre. I just nuked nito with fire, and I had plenty of pyromancies left to burn him with, he was weak. I have all the souls now.
I finally made it. It's just gwyn left.
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>>170736179

>I'm considering playing

Go for it. I did an INT run and it was pretty cool playing around with all the new catalyst WAs.

I hope the dude tones down the Irithyll Straight Sword though because he went way overboard with the AR + scaling on that thing. Pontiff Curved Sword was just fine, though, and made for a nice additional option for sorcerers.
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Never talk to me or my son ever again
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>>170736646
I just started the character, so I'm considering everything that fits the character well. I just hope I can get the drop quickly.
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>>170736953
>The son is black
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>>170736292
Fromsoft needs to be weighting Poison and Frost build up in the same way they weighted bleed on the CCS.
ie. Forget you even gave the thing bleed and make the rest of its stats best in class as if the Bleed were completely free.

I have to wonder if poor weighting for things like Frost and Bleed is responsible for some of From's barmy balancing decisions. Like Scythes having less AR than straight swords, or the Carthus Curved GS being entirely pointless.
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>>170736841
I want to try scythes just because of the new holding animation. Pontiff knight scythe is DEX+FTH which seems really interesting. Unfortunately, a few miracles are still kind of shit. I may do the sorcerer run first, but the need for FTH for dark sorceries is way higher now, and so if you're doing INT+FTH you might as well just go pure caster and use every spell.
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>>170737020
Never had problems getting the storyteller to drop but I heard it's supposed to be rare.

Good luck and heil (point up)!
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Started my first Pyro this morning on DaS3, and to be honest, having fun with it. Can't wait til I get Forbidden Sun
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Why is there no black people in Souls? Does Miyisaki have some kind of agenda?
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>>170737086
>Carthus Curved GS being entirely pointless
What do you mean by that?
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>>170737029
Well, DS2 is considered the bastard child, isn't it?
>>170737157
Yeah, I got every items on my main character, and the staff took an eternity, but not as much as the Medican't staff.
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>>170737120

He buffed the shit out of the Corona form the looks of it. I'll have to try it out myself.

I think the Lifehunt Scythe miracle needs to be buffed badly. I'm surprised he hasn't done it already.
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>>170737353
I have more than 700 hours on my main character and I STILL don't have the Medicant's staff.
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>>170737441
Some guy keeps requesting it in the comments, and he has a point. Spamming lightning spear at point blank deals almost twice the damage of lifehunt scythe, costs less, and is faster. I'd love to see it either do a fuckton more damage, or heal you for the full value of damage you deal to make it great for trading, especially with the sunlight talisman's 30% absorbtion during unfaltering prayer.
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>>170727676
Git gud or something, you literally sound like the worst kind of shitter.
>tfw you hide by the silver knights just before anal rodeo lift
>host comes running
>profaned greatsword stomp R2
>mfw
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>>170737557

I would rather have the full HP gain. That way it isn't just "dark lightning spear" and actually offers something unique that the spears don't.
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PC FC, high wall, pass dsg as always.
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>>170737273
CCGS, not CCS.
It's 60AR behind the Exile Greatsword on a Quality build, and up to 100AR behind on a Dex build while also having a garbage WA
Curved Greatswords as a weapon class don't really make sense, the Exile is the only one with respectable damage for its speed and there's no good reason why every other GS's damage is so far behind. It's like somebody at From decided a difference of 5-6 weight and some base stat requirements was worth 100AR.
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>>170737510
Ouch. I only have 200+ hours on my main.
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>>170737875

>Gwyn was hollowed when he rekindled the flame
>Seath went mad from his research
>the Four Kings were corrupted by Kaathe
>the Witch fucked up and became a bug
>Nito did nothing wrong

Why did he have to die?
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>>170737875
omw
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>>170738029
Yeah, I know what you meant.
I use one +10 hollowed with carthus rouge and it's pretty nice.
The WA is trash no doubt though.
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>>170738113
Still not as bad as farming ears.
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>>170737803
Same. It'd be a unique way of healing for faith builds instead of just using the standard heal aid/heal miracles forever. Combat healing is a cool concept, as is miracle trading. With the damage + heal, you'd actually win PvP trades against all but the strongest weapons too, which is only fair for how damn slow it is.
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>>170738131
He was a big lazybones
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The carthus shotel has the same range as the carthus curved sword, yeah? It doesn't look like the hitbox would be any smaller.
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>>170738368

I agree. Honestly, I'll probably send the guy a comment so he can hopefully implement that and allow us to see how that works out in practice.
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>>170738131

Because he had a Lord Soul. The reason we're killing is not because we are looking for justice, but because we have to.

Except for Priscilla. We had no reason to kill her besides malice, greed and a sick sense of curiosity.
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>>170737875
I'm at highwall and my sign is down.
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>>170738708
I did it for the tail
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>>170738356
I also got all covenant items in that character, so I farmed ears there too.
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>>170727676
Das3 invaders have it a lot harder. Think about it:
>hp penalty
>half of estus charges
>restricted on weapon levels
>will probably drop on host with at least 1 summon
>spawns a darkmoon blade

>Do you HAVE to twink as hard as possible to beat the typical invaders in early/mid-game? It feels like their health bars are a mile long, and they seem to have endless estus.
Any build should invest a lot into vigor, that's a given. Low-level invader probably uses optimal weapon for his level, probably in raw or other elemental infusion without scaling.
Rolling around is named "spacing", do that shit too. Learn about how phantom range works, don't backpedal mindlessly.
Straight sword spam is countered by parrying or a stable 100% phys protection shield (if you're a shieldbabby). Parrying a second attack with shield after blocking is piss easy.
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>>170738708
It's canon you didn't though.

I remember reading some shit about how Nito was basically insane after the Necromancer cult was using him as a power source while he slept though. I like how DS2 characterized him as a chill dude, and apparently Memezaki did too.
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I beat gwyn on my first try. But it was soltaire who finished him off. WTF guys?
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>>170727676
If all they do is roll R1 at you, they're a terrible shitter and all you need to do is parry that unbelievably shit and predictable attack for katana/SS especially.

Invaders are also usually so used to 3-4 man gank parties that they'll be optimized to fuck. If you're actually getting invaded as a solo host, you have bad luck.

Rolling is stupidly safe though, so you have to really learn well how to catch them. Estus is even faster than BB blood vials, so there's that too. They only have half yours though.

If you're really shit at PvP and they love using mobs for cover, grab some seeds from the giant tree next to Firelink.
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Are estus shards and undead bone fragments visible drops?
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>>170738708
b-but Priscilla and her tower are my safeplace!
whenever life is shit or i'm getting hurt i imagine myself being there and cuddling her tail.
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>MFW summoning people into NG+ vordt of boreal valley
>theyre all getting slaughtered
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>>170739705
no
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>>170739546
Looks like Solaire beat him on his first try, rather than you. You should be thanking him for carrying your worthless ass through the game.
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>>170739719
Her tail might be prickly and horrible though, not to mention cold. For all you know Priscilla stinks really badly too
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>>170739792
did miyazaki say soltaire was the real mc?
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>>170739721
>twink my way to NG+
>use dried finger
>pop a seed
>watch hodrick one shot sl 30 shitters
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>>170739837
>Priscilla stinks really badly
not canon.
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>>170739546
>I beat a boss on my first try!
>With summons!

kys
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>>170739721
>get summoned for DSA
>host already has 2 phantoms
>he's in NG+ god-knows-what
>might has well be hitting him with an non-upgraded dagger
Was fun though. We all got murdered mercilessly,
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>>170740003
How do you know? Maybe she's constantly gassy.
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PvP is absolute shit mostly because of weapon range.

If the hitboxes for both weapon and character weren't made by a down syndrome baboon and also used netcode from 20 years ago it could be a nice minigame of player versus player.
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>>170739894
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>>170740047
it actually feels pretty hollow. I don't feel like I won. And I forgot to kill Gwyndolin. So I regret that too. Oh well
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>>170740143
Girls don't fart. Stop this nonsense.
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>>170740143
>>170739837
How can she be gassy if she doesn't eat? And don't tell me she does. There's nothing on that shithole castle to even eat if she needed to, and she's half-dragon, which don't.

She also can't be sweaty because the place is ice cold. And she can't be covered in bacteria because everything there died centuries ago and it's too cold for any microbes to survive.

In all likelihood she smells of absolutely nothing.
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>started playing 4 hours ago
>have 26 more pale tongues

Am I actually having fun in DaS3?
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>>170740192
>enter a fc
>2 of them have FUGS
>they roll around like the thing was made of foam
>phantom range eventually favors one of them

wooow
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what are the good int weapons for vanilla ds2?
what are the good sorceries for vanilla ds2?

a lot of the sorceries seem worthless, or only filling a tiny niche
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>>170740449
>tfw you will never give Priscilla some nice perfume so she will stop smelling like nothing
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>>170740449
Priscilla gnaws on bones of the dead. Imagine.
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>>170740787
For hundreds if not thousands of years?

Still kind of hot.
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>>170740787
>>170740861
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>>170740704
Moonlight Greatsword, Homing Crystal Soulmass, Soul Geyser (I think?), Crystal Soul Spear, probably Crystal Magic Weapon too.
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>>170739894
You don't even need ng+. I have seen Hodrick killing invaders with 1 R2.
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>>170738029

Reminder the Exile GS also has LESS stamina consumption per attack than the Murakumo.
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An odd request, but I would like to ask if anyone on PC would be willing to drop the shadow mask, the ordained trousers, and the silvercat ring?
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>>170741493
Tell me your name. High wall, pass dsg. I'm hosting FC but have them.
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>>170741493
a faggot request, considering jelly's video is trash
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>>170740449
>>170740756
>>170740787
>>170740861
>>170741035
The more I look at Pricilla the creepier she looks.
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>>170741306
but it has shit range

like dagger tier range
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Finally got the helmet, now what other clothes would fit the neo nazi white trash?
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How do I get gud at lag stabs?
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>>170742256
Why would you make such a normal looking character face if that was your goal?
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>>170741753
Groove Ninja
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>>170742360
Drop your sign.
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>>170741753
oh wait, I'll need to nab to red soap stone first, lemmie speedrun that first.
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>>170742456
Wait, can I do it with a white sign? I don't think so if you killed the boss....
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>>170742345
I made him look like a generic neo nazi, but I'm not that knowledgeable on them, so I couldn't really do much, if you have any tips please tell me and I'll edit him at rosaria later.
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>/dsg/ fightclub
>except it's tourneyfags
Why?
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>>170742649
I'm not embered, so no, sorry.
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>>170742751
Because people that post here never play the game or don't bother with PvP.
The discordfags are the only ones that set up FCs, even if they are a cancerous circlejerking bunch.
Heck, the other day they even had a hacker fucking people up.
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>>170742751
Salty?
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>>170738029
The WA is hard to land but part two can land regardless of stunlocking with the first, in addition to having HA. It deals pretty strong damage, and with Rouge or other bleed builds it goes pretty quickly (especially with running attacks.) The fucked thing is its stamina consumption on the WA for its weight and length.
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>>170743039
>Because people that post here never play the game or don't bother with PvP.


I do invasions or fight invaders all the time though.
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>>170738029
Isn't it, though? The Fume UGS was unquestionably the best possible AR for UGSes in the game pre-international and it's about 5-ish units of weight heavier than the previous UGS. Weight is a big thing in 3 compared to other games as VIT is a shit stat and armor is insubstantial on higher end weight loads but still a necessity to a point.
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Playing DS1, getting absolutely fucking destroyed by everything in Anor Londo. What level should I be here?
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>>170743625
I was 70 so I didn't have that problem
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>>170742239
t. Scas
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>>170743625
40-50, ideally a weapon upgraded to +10
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>>170743625
Roughly 50 by the end.
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>>170743625
The level shouldn't matter as much as the weapon and armor level you have.
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So odd to have that name if you're not gonna use axes, even more since they're available early on.
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>>170743725
Does Scas post here? I love his art.
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>>170743873
Maybe he wants to use the Greataxe, but it has that whopping 32 STR requirement
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>>170743625
wear some good armour like stone armour or some shit.
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>>170743939
He's posted here in the past, I don't know if he lurks regularly
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Does anyone on PS4 have an archdeacon staff they can scum? I'll scum whatever you want in return. (I have the DLC)
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>>170743958
then he could use the deep battle axe in the meantime? since you get it from the mimic.
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why do single player games like dark souls have generals like this?
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>>170743939
He drawfagged constantly for a time and was very present during DaS3, he was even in the Discord when /dsg/ was doing Vicars. He left the general though, run off by the same people who bullied Krekk0v and Methados away.

>liking "No Nose Knows"
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>>170744110
>single player
>not engaging in jolly co-operation
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Is it worth to invest time in DS3 PvP or should I keep playing PvE till I bore of it?
Im 200 hours in with 20~ish of PvP and I barely survived due to the amount of cancer.
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>>170744108
I know it's there, but if I was doing a build for a weapon that I needed higher requirements or just a later place to get, I wouldn't use the same weaponclass since LKSS or Raw Astora basically break the game
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>>170744110
Where would the autistic fanbois of this game go otherwise?
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>>170743714
>>170743739
>>170743758
>>170743791
pic related is stats. Have a +5 Halberd and didn't realize I could upgrade armor in 1
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>>170744258
There's not a whole lot of depth to the pvp, you've seen pretty much everything it has to offer after 5-10 hours, save for maybe trying every type of build yourself. Should be easy to figure out if you enjoy it enough to continue to bother with it or not by then.
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>>170744110
>singleplayer
>dark souls

The appeal of the series is it's seamless multiplayer and PvP. That and the L O R E .
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>>170741753
>>170742456
>>170742862

Okay, got the red sign, gonna drop it at the highwall bonfire
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>>170744389
Early armor upgrades aren't a very efficient use of materials unless you're doing shitloads of farming. Switch to a different weapon or even backtracking/exploring anor londo some more to find a new weapon/way to upgrade your halberd would probably help you out a lot if you're still at only +5.
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>>170744262
And the deep battle axe breaks the game more than the broadsword he's using? Sorry but I fail to see your point. It's an alright weapon and it doesn't alter the build at all since it needs exactly as much dex as the greataxe.
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>>170744258
Honestly I just stopped caring after playing 2 again with minimal online contact, made me value the occasional bit of PvP and co-op I got

I find it more enjoyable to not be min maxing for the meta and instead just leveling and using where ever i feel like
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>>170744258
It really depends on how seriously you're going to allow yourself to take it.
If you're treating it like a competitive e-sport, you're going to hate it.
If you're cool with just fooling around, then you might find a place in the game or a build to use that's fun.
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>>170743873
>biggie smalls
>not even black
What the hell?
>>
Are there any good int weapons in ds3? I want to use mlgs later on, but I dont want to use a buffed estoc the whole game.
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>people parry spamming against a curved greatsword


It's funny because it's so fucking easy to dead-angle with that weapon class(and do a lot of damage)
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>>170744071
Pls sonybros.
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>>170744669
>breaks the game more than the broadsword he's using?
For like until the end of High Wall. SSes are consistently better than axe types.

>Sorry but I fail to see your point.
What? That I'd use a broken weapon or weapon class because they let me get through the game faster and easier to what I'm actually doing? Why would anyone do something so logical and sensible? It's not like every Solaire build fucking starts out with his armor and sword. Not only that but it's not "altering" a build to use an SS before getting to the actual part where you really make the build, and there's nothing wrong with putting like 1 point into FAI and reallocating it at Rosaria.
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>>170744864
Clerics candelstickstick/heysel pick. Although clerics has a 12 faith requirement. Crystal sages rapier is the longest rapier but has pretty high physical requirements.
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>>170744864
Greatsword of Judgement


Heysel pick is also very versatile.
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Anyone else experience an annoying readjusting type of thing when it comes to playing DS1 again after DS3 where the amount of pressure required to be placed on the thumbstick to move forward at normal, not walking speed seems much higher than it is is DS3?

Could just be my controller starting to break down, but I only notice this issue when I go back to DS1.
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>>170744704
True that.
Crow Talons got me hard but they are so, so unreliable in PvP. I've had my wins and even I've stomped some people but not on a daily basis.
I mostly eat UGS for dinner when I enter the arena with Crow Mittens.

>>170744761
Im a off-meta guy.
I never ever play broken stuff in vidya, not because Im that sort of guy that says "WOW META IS BAD YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED" people can do whatever they want but I rarely feel attracted by what's good.
I think the only time I used a katana was in DS1 for example, never ever touched the washing people just because it's not my jam.

Problem is people take PvP in this game far too seriously.
>Invasions are nonexistant and unfun.
>FCs are Estoc-UGS fests with no variety whatsoever
>Arena duel matches take far too much time to connect and when they do the guy will be using whatever meta weapon so you'll be playing against the same shit time and time again.
>Arena 4 and 6 man matches never happen because people just like to "muh duel".

Dunno, I feel like I've done everything there is to do in this game.
NG+ is easier than NG desu and I capped at 125 with all my characters aswell.
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>>170743597
You don't need to level VIT to use a 17 unit weapon. Even if you did want to level VIT to cover the weight difference, the points you'd drop elsewhere to afford the VIT would still be more than covered by the huge AR difference.

Reminder than Exile GS also has the lowest offensive stat requirements, as its Sharp infusion gives abnormally strong DEX scaling. Meaning a 40/16 Sharp Exile has more AR than a 40/40 Refined Murakumo because the CGS weapon class doesn't make any sense.
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>>170745248
>>FCs are Estoc-UGS fests with no variety whatsoever
But UGS aren't that good
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>>170744587
>>>170741753
>>>170742456
>>>170742862
Thank you kindly stranger!
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>>170745319
They aren't, but hyper armor fucks you in the ass.
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>>170745017
Oh shit, my bad. For some reason I thought you meant the exact opposite of what you said. Maybe I should go to sleep already.
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>>170744965
>people trying to parry my Demon Greataxe
>more than once
I love it.

>>170744864
I started a character with the Greatsword of Judgement yesterday and I'm loving it. I haven't even really invested in INT at all yet but the WA buff is pretty fucking crazy. Haven't lost as a blue once yet
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demon souls is clunky and shit. It doesn't matter that people without a ps4 can play it now because it's pretty shit
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>>170745285
>that last stab

what the fugg
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>>170745285
But also consider that there's a length difference, and the Murakumo has a broken INT/FAI infusion path
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>>170745285
Stuff like that is partially the reason why the sluggish clunky nature of DS2 combat really never bothered me.
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FC over, thanks eveyrone for coming.

Still some signs if someone wants to take over.
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>>170745650
oh well, thanks for hostin
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I wish there was a way to turn off all the resource-hogging features in the game individually.
Why does the game feel the need to render the ghost of a fully detailed player when I'm on lowest settings?
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>>170745493
Also; before you cry shennanigans on using a Murakumo for a Pyro build, consider the following:

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/151762
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>>170745479
When people talking about weapon "Tracking" in DS1 and 3, what this usually means is how many frames there are between the point where the attack can instantly snap into any direction it chooses, and the point where it deals damage.

DS2 doesn't have that snap frame, every new animation starts with the same facing as the animation it flows from, and the rate at which you can turn during attack startup is limited depending on the attack. This creates a completely new dynamic for weapons with limited turning like spears, where if you roll through a spear R1 to the side of the spear user, and the user presses R1 again, they just miss you because they can't pivot far enough.
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PC HW FC
pass: dsg
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>>170745285
whats better, 50 dex sharp or 40/40 exile CGS?
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>>170745965
You know that dark Exile GS has more dark AR than dark murakumo right?
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>>170744972
I'm sorry my nigga but I don't have the strength to Aldrich invade 20 more times
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>>170746253
But the murakumo got A scaling on dark.
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>>170746281
This is pure agony. At this level, everyone has enough HP to survive a parry or backstab so my only counter to ganksquads is gone. Hosts are fucking pussies and only attack when their phantoms attack and immediately run away when you target them.
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>>170746214
Refined is better if you're willing to have more than 74 total points into STR/DEX. Less than that and you should go Sharp. Sharp is preferred for efficiency.
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>played around 300 hours of ds3
>only just now spot the corpse that has the partizan on it
What a fun weapon.
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>>170746253
Barely more AR for a shorter and less level efficient build. I'm not saying 2 levels is mind shattering of a difference but Pyro weapons are predominantly longer (Onyx, Estoc, Witch's Locks) anyways.
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>>170746617
Yes but lower base damage.

Dark Exile GS +10 at 40/40 int/fai: 170+238=408 dark damage
Dark Murakumo under same conditions: 156+244=400 dark damage

Miniscule difference, I know. But keep in mind the Exile also has higher physical damage.
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>>170743625
You just need a good shield. If you don't have one, just upgrade a mediocre shield to get decent stability. If you aren't a scrub and thus, don't use shields, then you just need to get gud
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I FINALLY got invaded in DS1 after more than 100 hours of playtime across multiple characters!

Cheeky bugger thought he'd plunging attack me as I ran past the corner on the way to ricard in sens. Too bad for him he instead got stunlocked by 4 halberd r1s then died. Thanks for the humanity buddy.
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>>170747023
I love the partizan. It was one of my weaponbros in DaS1 too.
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>>170732624
Mist pyromancies, tears of denial, flame surge, end yourself with the weeb sword when you get to 1hp.
Make extensive use of the point up gesture.
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>>170747052
>dealing physical damage on a build that can spam dark
Pleb detected
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>>170747190
I would use the storyteller's staff weapon art instead of the mists. Much more efficient.
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>>170743625
Anor londo has always been a pain in the ass to run through.

>complete shitter on my first das3 playthrough
>dumped all my souls into str dex and end because muh damage
>silver knights in anor londo one shotted me with their initial lightning blade attack
I figured out how to circle around them quick though.
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>>170747173
Is there any reason to choose the spear over the partizan or vice versa? I'm looking at em in game and they both have the same scaling and damage and moveset for r1s at least.
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Is there a super easy way to get the Covenant items for DKS3 Offline? I can't get online on my PC right now since my Ethernet cord went to shit.
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will trade for Dragonslayer Swordspear
PS4 btw
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>>170747910
just use the cheat engine, no one cares if you use it to get covenant items
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>>170747910
Use CE to either spawn them in, or have a 100% drop rate going to make farming for them super quick, however sunlight medals via offline farming are a massive bitch to get that way even with 100% droprate.
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>>170747401
There's no reason to use the spear in any of the games
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>>170747401
partizan has swinging attacks that are fun for r2's, and also the meme glaive spin bash thing.
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>>170748095
How comes?

The normal halberd is my weaponfu and is fantastic so the weapon class itself should be fine. Are they just outclassed?

>>170748190
Hmm gotcha.
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I did it!
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>>170748056
>>170748071
>dks general suggesting to use ce
I'm done, fuck this place.
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>>170748410
See you on reddit friendo!
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>>170748318
I don't have enough vomit images for your fashion
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What are the best greatsword options for pvp?
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>>170748278
>Are they just outclassed?
I'm pretty sure anon was referring to the generic spear weapon called Spear, which is pretty useless.
Also, the halberd is a halberd, not a spear.
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I got a quick lore related question if no one minds answering.
Is there some connection between the Deep and the Painted World? A few of the Deep related spells (Gnaw, I believe) mentions how there are insects that dwell within the deep and the Paint World's Rot is associated with those blood flies.
I would have normally brushed this off as a coincidence, but one of TRC dlc's leaked images mentions locusts, which got me wondering a bit.
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>>170748410
Jokes on you, the guys over here are the biggest faggots there is.
The whole "4chan" elite is a blatant lie.
Here you have your average reddit user but spamming anime pics and acting edgy as fuck towards others.
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>>170744516

>The appeal of the series is it's seamless multiplayer and PvP.
>implying
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>>170748516

Hollowslayer, Black Knight,. and Onyx.
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>>170748462
Have a cute mokou
>>170748518
I know but it's got the same poking action going on with the 2h r1 which is what
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>>170748318
>99 hollowing
>non luck build
Shitter detected
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>>170748591
>Here you have your average reddit user but spamming anime pics and acting edgy as fuck towards others.
Are you referring specifically to Lucy, or everyone here as a whole?
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>>170748716
Everyone, mostly.
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>>170748640
>implying he's not doing an anti fashionsouls build with max hollowing, wolnirs and that armour set up
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>>170748056
>>170748071
ye cool, i'll just do that, don't really care about about getting them legit as farming is too tedious for me. where can i find a link to the latest table? the link in OP goes to a dead forum page on the cheat engine website.
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>>170728889

I would unironically get a refund

the less references to previous games, the better. siegmeyer was bad enough
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what do gwyndolins snakes smell like?
Is he really half snake or not?
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>>170748547

the painters create the painted worlds by using the dark soul as a pigment.
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>constant activity and aldrich summons at SL200
You lied to me /dsg/.
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>>170748831
>dark souls 3
>ugh, why did it talk about the ones numbered 1 and 2
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>>170748827
If you just want to dupe items then you don't even need a table, just have like 2 of whatever item you are farming for
Search for X (the amount of whatever item you want that you currently have on you)
Put one of X in your bottomless box
Search for X-1
Move one from your box to your inventory

Repeat until you have like 1-2 results, then just edit that to be 99
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>Rose of Ariandel has the highest base spell buff in the game
>on top of its massive, long-lasting miracle damage bodybuff
Was this thing intended as a twink casting tool?
Seriously, at low upgrade level and low faith, it blows every other chime and talisman out of the water. It has like 150 spell buff at a stage in the game where nothing else breaks 130
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>>170748967
>dark soul as a pigment
Does that mean the Deep is caused by rotten humanity or something?
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>>170749015
>it's a sequel so infinite amount of fanservice is ok
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>>170749124
Cool, I'll go ahead and do that, thanks for the help!
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>>170749195
>if I call something fanservice it means that it's bad
Wow!
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>>170748827
https://mega.nz/#!DZswmY6a!llvcxQ95V6UW5zCN5CNdlwbUSy6vYq99vr46htpsxUs

Word of warning though, spawning in covenant items directly has been known to trip invalid data warnings. However you can fool it if you spawn in the exact amount you need and immediately hand them all in as offerings.
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>>170748967
Wasn't the original painting done with blood instead? I think it's the rose of ariandel description that says so.>>170749273
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>>170749335
Its not the blood thats important, but whats inside it.
Think Bloodstains and humanity from DaS I.
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>>170749195
>takes place in the same universe using the same mechanics with the same themes and events and also takes place after the other games at a later point so things have happened by that time
>FANSERVICE FANSERVICE WAAAHH
DaS3 fanservice is plentiful but I'll take it any day over DaS2's. Fuck that noise.
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>>170749015
I'm of the opinion that none of the games (1,2, or 3) in this series did fanservice at all well, but the fact remains that 3 did handle it poorly as well.
I'm willing to go back and forth on this, so I'm all ears.
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>>170748547

It's entirely possible, I'm thinking, that the world we're in is also a painted world, just much larger. And the Abyss is just the edge of the painting.
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>>170734308

I think they both come from pilgrims, but obviously with a different end result.

DaS3 puts a lot of story emphasis on "drawing out one's inner strength", essentially humans to eventually transform into a beast, which one being different based on circumstance.

I'd reckon that the pilgrim butterflies are some form of corruption, or failures, maybe they hatch too early.
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I thought you were just fucking around up there, that's why I hit you.

Also I guess SL 90 is too low for fightclubs.
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>>170749273
>>170749486

You and I both know like 90% of the DS1 references in DS3 are nothing more than fanservice.

I liked it, but there was no need for gwyn phase 2 and the piano notes in the soc fight. Same with seigmeyer or whatever his name is being a catarina knight. Or seeing lost izalith 2.0

I'm not even the original guy in this comment chain btw, I just think there was a bit too much fanservice in dS3
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What SL / weapon upgrade is the max for getting a good number of invasions in Dilapidated Bridge?
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>>170734417

it's patches with memory loss.
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>>170749486
>DaS3 fanservice is plentiful but I'll take it any day over DaS2's. Fuck that noise.
Didn't that game make a bunch of characters reincarnations of the lord soul carriers from DaS I and that came off as really forced?

>>170749538
Ludleth outright says that he "painted a new vision" when he linked the fire.
The Outside World may also be a painted world, but nevertheless it functions differently than the painted world.
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how/where can I find out how much stamina each swing uses for a particular weapon?
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>>170749513
There's nothing wrong with referencing games that took place in the same universe. There is nothing inherently wrong with referencing the previous games, especially in 3 in which it most heavily follows off of 1 after countless years rather than 2 which is just a shitty spin off on a continent full of mentally damaged angry people.

The quality of the fanservice is not what I'm arguing here, so that is the end of the conversation.
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>>170749486
>DS2 alludes to something in a convoluted and generally hamfisted way, but the game world and lore is nearly entirely unrelated to anything in DS1
>DS3 directly references and reuses areas and characters, taking a very clear and completely unnecessary dump on DS1

Neither are good but at least the DS2 ones are just retarded little things that have no real relevance either way compared to the shit DS3 pulls.
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>>170749704
>splitting the definition of references and fanservice
Let me just check my maps real quick so I know where to go to find the new goalpost
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>>170749335

bloodstains contain souls anon

>tfw final boss of TRC is gael the mad trying to kill you for your soul
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>>170749335
The follower's torch states that some forms of the abyss can be found within blood and must be treated with fire.
Which is basically what you do to the painted world.
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>>170749878
DaS2 does stupid shit while mainting nothing of the theme of DaS1. It's not a crime in of itself to be "Dark Souls 2" but trying to hamfistedly connect yourself to 1 when it's not even a huge major event and self contained in Dragleic is stupid.

Dark Souls 3 is basically a direct extension of what happened in 1, it continues the story of what happened to Anor Londo and Gwyndolin and shit, which isn't fanservice, it's just writing the goddamn story.
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>>170750008
Hey its cool we'll just agree to disagree then.
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>FC is chaos
back to pontiff i guess
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>>170732340
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DaS II state that the giants turned into trees when they died?
Is there a possible connection there?
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>>170750351
>follower's torch

>Some forms of the Abyss manifest as pus within the body, treated from ancient times with fire.

>treated from ancient times with fire

so is this basically confirming that the scheme of linking the first flame is just to destroy humans?
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Y'know it'd be funny if we take the dark soul to the painter and Gael doesn't do anything other than thank us. No madness, no fight, just a cheers m8.

Reminds me of pre release we were speculating there would be a second half to the story after the lords of cinder like DS1/2/BB. A popular theory was Ludleth would betray us and then the world would start really falling to the abyss like those pre release leaked screenshots.
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>>170750493
>tfw took a break from souls at just the right time
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>>170749878
>>170750391
I don't know if this is a common sentiment or not, but I've always had the feeling that 2 was never intended to be related to the Dark Souls universe until way down the line in its production, which is why its relation to the first game seems a little odd.
Really, I think it would have been a better game if it had its own, self-contained universe and didn't try to tie itself into the first game at all.
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>>170749802
>Didn't that game make a bunch of characters reincarnations
Naaaaah.

DS2 just went "Well retards are going to go do the same shit all over again", none of the DS2 era characters have anything really in common with their DS1 counterparts both in terms of overall design and their actions in lore, with seaths soul being the only one that actually carried over any "personality"

>Gwyn sacrificed himself to keep the age of fire going
>OIK was a self obsessed asshat so much so that his most trusted knight just walked out on him and he ended up being killed by his own golems
>Seath was a dragon that betrayed his own kind out of bitterness
>Freja was just a spider that grew out of control large after everything got fucked by undeath
>Neato was the king of death that sort of chilled in a tomb
>Rotten was trying to fix up the black gulch for whatever reason/Sunken King built a kingdom for men that worshipped dragons
>Witches of izalith were arrogant enough to try and remake the first flame with chaos/Lost Sinner is humble so much that she/he locked xerself up in a prison.

The only main character that really was similar was Manus, but he got split into 4 and and 2 parts straight up gave up.
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Actually playing around with the Rose, it's surprisingly fun
I expected it to be hot trash but having a mid-range club with spells for R2s is pretty neat.

I wonder how viable it would be to run a low-level twink with like sunlight spear and the Rose. Maybe something to invade Crucifixion Woods and Cathedral with?
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>>170751083

I always offhand a Sunlight Talisman with Rose. I find the spell buff difference negligible.
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>>170750941

actually if you knew anything about dark souls 1's characterizations you would realize that, yes, the lords in dark souls 2 were representative of the lords in dark souls 1. gwyn and his family were egotistical douches who made themselves out as gods, the witch of izalith became a literal prisoner to her chaos-inducing bullshit, seathe's soul is actually within the ruins themselves which served to drive the duke and his miners to complete bat-shit madness. the rotten shares nito's compassion for corpses and garbage, they aren't complex characters
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>>170750703
>so is this basically confirming that the scheme of linking the first flame is just to destroy humans?
In all fairness, humanity (the dark soul) really needs to be kept in check because of its tendency to either go wild (abyss) or degrade/stagnate/rot (the deep/the rot).
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there's something "alive" on the sun
it's gonna come fuck you up
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>>170750941
In dark souls II's defense, the lore it introduced regarding Nito was actually rather interesting.
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>>170750941
Niggers it was literally just leftover soul fragments, this is confirmed possible in DS1 and is a major plotpoint. Also Freja didn't even have the pale drake soul, she laser beamed that dragon down.

Also there is nothing wrong with a sequel but a sequel isn't a good excuse for downgraded crap. There's no reason a Catarina Knight can't show up in 3, but having him be a shallow interpretation of Seigmeyer is what most people dislike. At least try to put a spin on it like the dragon fag not being a typical crestfallen.

Anal Rodeo smothered in Bloodborne assets just doesn't compare to Soul of Cinder, Nameless King, Old Demon King, etc. It's the same premise of "fan service" but different execution.
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>>170749143
It's also pretty good at hitting things.
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>>170751465
They were just infused with their souls. DS2 was about the curse itself and how meaningless it made everything. Straid basically explains all there is to it and Dark Souls 3 is a direct continuation of what that guy had to say.
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>>170750801
There's a good chance it originally wasn't meant to relate to it and that reason is at least partially why the game was scarpped mid-development and hastily glued back together in a janky pile of disorganized chunks.
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>>170751912
It's the weakest weapon with the club moveset by a wide margin despite being a split-scaling weapon that requires two stats. Every other club has more AR with half the stat investment.

The range is nice but it's still a fucking awful weapon
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>>170751747
>Harken to the call that summons thee!
>black sun literally comes crashing down and draws you in
>final DLC boss fight happens inside
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Is DS1 on PS4? I just got one w/ 3 and BB today
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>>170751465
Nigga can you read?
>gwyn and his family were egotistical douches who made themselves out as gods
But in the end Gwyn still chose to sacrifice himself, OIK was a king of men who literally showed no signs of selflessness.
There is a huge difference there and if you can't see that then you really have no place arguing about characterization.

>the witch of izalith became a literal prisoner to her chaos-inducing bullshit
>literal prisoner to her chaos-inducing bullshit
>her chaos-inducing bullshit
Nothing about sinner says that she accidentally created a whole race of demons because she was so full of herself.

> seathe's soul is actually within the ruins themselves
Arguable, Freja drops the paledrake soul, you don't get it from the dragons corpse unlike the great soul.
Seath was a traitor, Freja was loyal to her owner even after she fucked up the entire region with spiders she never did anything to the duke.

>the rotten shares nito's compassion for corpses and garbage
Don't recall Neato having any passion for trying to CREATE things, again these are massive character traits that you are just straight up ignoring.
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>>170750941
>Witches of izalith were arrogant enough to try and remake the first flame

Yeah to save the world and shieet right.

Do you think scienticians are arrogant for trying to go to space?
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>>170752087
The range is the entire point. You're offhanding it as a casting tool with something like a Raw DS Axe + LB, and when people roll away from 2 R1s it has the range to hit the roll.
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>>170751778
>the lore it introduced regarding Nito

can anyone redpill me on nito
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>>170752021

that doesn't change the fact that they represented them, whether it was canonically through the soul or as a story telling device. sweet sexy cat seems to be pretty blatant about it

on the topic of sweet sexy cat, I'm pretty sure she was an actual god. gods transforming into animals to communicate with people is a common theme going all the way back to greek mythology, and it would explain a lot about the character. there's even the story of zeus carrying ganymede as an eagle, which actually happens in DaS2. "It seems that we must now part.Why now? I don't see how it should matter. just because, because I'm a cat. hee hee..."
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>>170752475
>it has the range to hit the roll
For like 60 damage
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How min/max can you get in DS3?
Pic somewhat related, build i used for dukes invading.
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>>170752142
No, ps3 only.
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>>170748318
>that Vigor
>on a Faith build
>with Sword Ring equipped
Grade A masochism detected.

>>170748640
>someone gets 99 hollowing through normal play after doing Yuria's quest
>"They must be trying to do a hollow bleed build!"

You also don't seem to have gotten the message that 16 hollowing is all you need for the +5 Luck, and that Luck builds in general are worthless due to how little it influences bleed compared to Rouge.
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>>170751747
>final boss is the sun
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>>170752780
>not even understanding what the second post implied

Shitter detected
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>>170752265
>But in the end Gwyn still chose to sacrifice himself

to maintain his own power?

>Nothing about sinner says that she accidentally created a whole race of demons because she was so full of herself.

the game implies that she introduced chaos to the old iron kingdom, which is what killed the place

>Seath was a traitor, Freja was loyal to her owner even after she fucked up the entire region with spiders she never did anything to the duke.

seath was pretty loyal to gwyn even while he was kidnapping people to mutilate with soul experiments. how do you know there wasnt some race of spiders that freja was keeping at bay?

>Don't recall Neato having any passion for trying to CREATE things

the game literally introduces you to several beings that nito created and cared for, the fenito and milfanito, and this isn't even delving into the fact that he actively created necromancy, the act of giving life to skeletons.
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>>170752509
>do all the hard work miasma blasting the dragons after your dumbass friends peel the scales off and burns down their nests
>take care of the dead as your dumbass friends fuck with the bonfire
>create MILFanitos and Finitos to ensure the dead can rest undisturbed
>get double killed for your soul
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>>170752648
>this shit
>minmaxed

>How min/max can you get in DS3?
given that there's rings that can provide up to 30 free levels?
a lot
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>>170752509
To make a long story short, DaS II reveals that Nito created a race of women called the Milfanito whose purpose is to sing to the souls of death and grant them comfort. This combats the spread of the abyss which is triggered by volition emotions.
This turns out to be a pretty big deal because as 3 reveals the abyss can affect you after death (See Wolnir).
In other words, Nito was fighting the dark just like Gwyn and the Witch were.
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>>170752909
>to maintain his own power?
?????
Dude please step away from the internet argument for 2 seconds to realize what you are saying here.

Gwyn burned himself and became a zombie in order to make sure HE stayed in power?

Gwyn did what he did for the sake of the rest of his "god" race, OIK literally never did anything for anyone except himself.

>he game implies that she introduced chaos to the old iron kingdom,
Where exactly is that implied?
The thing that brought the old iron kingdom to ruin was the kings obsession with creating animated suits of armor after Sir Alonne left, one of which ended up killing him.

>how do you know there wasnt some race of spiders that freja was keeping at bay?
Now you are literally making up headcanon for the sake of trying to say how the lore is shit. I mean sure if you dislike the game that much but do understand that nobody is going to take you seriously if you just go
>Well it COULD be really fucking stupid so how about we assume it is despite there being 0 evidence either way.
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>>170752909
>to maintain his own power?
>sacrifice life to save own life

?
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>>170740252
Is Hodrick the strongest invader in souls history?
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>>170752909
>to maintain his own power?

>Gwyn burns himself alive for all eternity
>to maintain his own power
How exactly does this work out?

>and this isn't even delving into the fact that he actively created necromancy, the act of giving life to skeletons.
Wasn't that power stolen from Nito?
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>>170753404
I'd say yes
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>>170752509
In 2, we learn a little more about Nito through the Milfanito, and through Agdayne. We're told that Nito taught the Milfanito to sing, bringing comfort and peace to those who bear death and the Dark. He taught them the song you hear in the Shrine of Amana.
In the Undead Crypt, Agdayne tells us that Nito tasked him and his race to watch over the dead, ensuring that they rest in peace.
Basically, it suggests that Nito was actually a pretty decent character, helping ease the burden and the suffering of the dead and people afflicted by Dark.
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>>170753242
>See Wolnir

you mean the abyss can curse cups that create pocket dimensions too?
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>>170753404
My vote still goes to Maldron the Ass and his +10 lance of instant backstab death
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>>170753404
>charged r2
>charged r2
>charged r2
>hard

maldron with his fucking animation canceling
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>>170753404
Hod the God can one shot you with a perfectly timed parry riposte

Maldron can disregard the laws of physics.
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>>170753356
>>170753369
>>170753475

to maintain the power of his soul and his royal bloodline
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>>170753083
I did say somewhat.
I made it for having 56 poise with high physical DEF, HP and stamina with around the same SL as people just playing through the game would have at dukes, but i guess that both is and isn't the point.

DS2 didn't really have a true min/max like you could do in DS1, so i was wondering if it was more comparable to 1 in that regard, i mean, 2 had stat-boost rings too, but builds are still more varied, at least that's what i got from playing it.
This is all disregarding things like ring swapping, of course.
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>>170753404
In terms of being a parry god, yeah I don't think there's anyone else that comes close. In terms of straight attack power though, there are some invaders in 2 that can be pretty insane, like Maldron and yours truly.
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can I transfer a DaS3 save from a pirated 1.03 copy to a legit AoA copy? or would I have to start over fresh?
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>>170753597
>you mean the abyss can curse cups that create pocket dimensions too?
What I meant was that Wolnir has long been dead, but despite that the Abyss threatened to devour his soul.

Nito was a bro who created a race of singers to prevent the abyss from threatening to devour souls after death >>170753578

>>170753803
>Gives parts of his soul to Four human kings and Seathe
>Sets the remainder of his soul on fucking fire as fuel for the first flame
Not sure that I'm following your train of logic here.
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>>170753803
Right, and exactly at what point did OIK sacrifice himself and his soul for his royal bloodline?

The part where he didn't have a royal bloodline?
Or the part where his right hand man fucked off because he was such a dick?
Or the part where everything he built crumbled into shit because he got offed by his own golem, exactly where are we seeing the characters having similar motivations?

Also gwyn clearly didn't give a shit about maintaining the power of his soul since he split it like 4 times to as hand me outs for his followers.
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>>170754095

gwyn is a vainglorious liar, I didn't say he was evil. he just wants to maintain the kingdom he built on the back of a lie.
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>>170754278
>gwyn is a vainglorious liar, I didn't say he was evil. he just wants to maintain the kingdom he built on the back of a lie.
Gwyn's kingdom was built on genocide sure. But what lie pray tell?
And Everyone, including humans, benefited from the extermination of the dragons.
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>>170754152

>sharing traits of a character = being a 1:1 carbon copy of that character
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>>170754428

>But what lie pray tell?

his godhood
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>>170754438
What traits did they share then buddy?
They were both kings I suppose, thats not much of a character trait though.

Face it, OIK and Gwyn had practically nothing in common with each other and you managed to somehow miss the entire overarching plot of DS2 and its characters, while at the same time bitching about it's story.
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PC FC Old Wolf Bridge
pass: dsg
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>>170754557
>his godhood
he kind of was a god.
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>>170754592

>What traits did they share then buddy?

they were both vain and egotistical to the point of self-ruin? Gwyn literally burned himself to maintain his own kingdom, which clearly nobody else gave a shit about because they abandoned it.
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>>170749704
Since Soul of Cinder is the most beloved final battle in the franchise you are a fucking moron.
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I feel like meming it up. How much health regen is it possible to get?
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>>170754557
Not even true, being that the gods
1) Couldn't become undead meaning there was something fundementally different about them as a race
2) Took extra damage from Occult, again straight up meaning that they were physically different to humans
3) He fuuuukin made an entire race from just his soul, kinda qualifies as godhood

Never in the lore is it stated that Gwyn ran around saying he was an abrahamic omnipotent god, his biggest lie was you assuming things
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>>170754763
Which place is old wolf bridge? Where the stray demon is?
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>>170754764

faggot still went hollow

>>170754428

>And Everyone, including humans, benefited from the extermination of the dragons.

how do you know humans benefit from the lack of dragons? there's been just as many friendly dragons and crossbreeds as there's been dragon bosses. priscilla was basically about as it gets.
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>>170754278
Go bacl to jerking off to Kaathe and that Harlor Dark fag. Your kind aint welcome here.
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>>170754790
>they were both vain and egotistical to the point of self-ruin?
????????
Anon, anon, anon, there honestly truly is a huge difference between doing things for the sake of a cause/faction or doing them for purely your own good.
Despite everything Gwyn did he still made a lot of sacrifices for the sake of others, OIK did not, this is a massive difference in character

You are either an actual fucking retard or just pretending to be one for the sake of an internet argument.
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>>170754852
I don't really know how I feel about Soul of Cinder.
I personally feel like SoC would have been a really cool hidden, optional boss, but I don't really like him as the final boss in the game. I would've rather had something new or a unique enemy, provided they had some sort of buildup throughout the game. Having him adopt Gywn's moveset and the music change to Gwyn's theme did feel a little cheesy to me, but if he had taken on the abilities and powers of other bosses in the series as well, I think it would have been a lot more fun.
Seriously, he is a fanservice boss after all, it could have been cool for him to shift into the movesets and abilities of other bosses throughout the series too. He could have used a twinblade or a powerstance, or something like that.

I don't think he's necessarily a bad boss - he's certainly fun to fight - but again, I wasn't a huge fan of him as the close out to the game.

Also, Gherman is technically a final boss depending on which ending for Bloodborne you're taking, and he might be more universally liked.
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You guys really weren't kidding about the bonfire placement in 3.
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How hard is Dancer on NG+? Is she more or less the same if you're abusing a bleed build?
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>>170754902

>1) Couldn't become undead meaning there was something fundementally different about them as a race

lack of the dark soul, there are plenty of people who can't go undead either. in fact, going undead is more of a transcendant trait than whatever gwyn had, since it was a trait that the immortal dragons also possessed.

>2) Took extra damage from Occult, again straight up meaning that they were physically different to humans

more soul stuff. powerful soul =/= a god

>3) He fuuuukin made an entire race from just his soul, kinda qualifies as godhood

honestly in dark souls, who hasn't? pygmy made more people than gwyn did.

>Never in the lore is it stated that Gwyn ran around saying he was an abrahamic omnipotent god

people call his bloodline "old gods" frequently in DaS3
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>>170754858
2/s from Ethereal Oak shield
2/s from the SP ring
2/s from Blessed Weapon (buff)
1/s from Anri's (only buffable weapon with innate regen)
And then whatever Bountiful Sunlight gives

Note that it's not really worthwhile to try and stack as much regen as possible. The average shitter will have 3.5/s to 4/s just from SP ring and oakshield or blessed cestus. Blessed Weapon is shit and tedious to use and body buffs take forever to cast. Stacking two buffs mean that you lose like 5 seconds off the duration of one buff just to cast the other and also mean you need like 10 second of preptime before a fight, after which your buffs are almost completely expired before you even get hit and your actual HP benefit is minimal.

Anri's is also kinda shit.
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>>170752142
DS1 is not on the PS4 but is on the Xbone.

Also, DeS emulation is finally possible on pc!
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>>170755227
Not much harder. If you want to do it early, I would go for it.
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>>170755028
>faggot still went hollow
He burnt his soul in the first flame. Of course he went hollow.

>there's been just as many friendly dragons
I'll give you Priscilla, but I don't think that there has ever been a good everlasting dragon.
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>>170755090

you are incapable of subtle character flaws? do things have to be blatant for you to recognize them? It should only take one interaction with Gwyndolin to recognize the ego that his bloodline has in regards to how they compare themselves to mankind.
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>>170755268
>more soul stuff. powerful soul =/= a god
You can run around with the hardcap of souls and still not take extra damage from occult.

The game explicitly states that that shit hurts GODS. Gwyns biggest "lie" is you assuming his is God from christianity/islam who was supposed to sit in a throne on top of some clouds.
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>>170755207
The biggest problem I think is having every single boss drop a bonfire. So many of those end up being totally pointless or way too close to other ones.
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>>170755435
Gywn selflessly submitted himself to the flame to burn in eternel agony. Kaathe even admits what he did was a sacrfice.
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>>170755028
>faggot still went hollow

That's debatable, even more so now that we've seen the Soul of Cinder. It could be that the Gwyn we fight in DS1 is simply the avatar of the First Flame--Gwyn's desiccated corpse being given life and purpose to protect the Flame.
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>>170755339

> I don't think that there has ever been a good everlasting dragon.

???

>>170755475

I meant the character of the soul, not the strength. gwyn is a lord of sunlight, the dark intrinsically strong against him just like flame is strong against the dark. and anor londo was literally called the city of the gods in DaS1.
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>>170755435
>you are incapable of subtle character flaws?
Anon there is nothing subtle about being self centered and not being self centered. Gwyn was an ass that only cared for his own race of gods, but at the end of the day he cared for things other than himself, OIK did not.
Is there literally nothing else that you can come up with that would relate the characters so you keep coming back to "they both died because they liked things", which kind of proves my point of them being pretty fucking different.
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>>170755435
What ego? Gwyndolin was alone holding an illusion together in the abandoned city of the gods. He was defensive at best for his own protection and the protection of the prophecy related to someone coming along to link the fire again.
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>>170755669

>It could be that the Gwyn we fight in DS1 is simply the avatar of the First Flame--Gwyn's desiccated corpse being given life and purpose to protect the Flame.

that's not how it works. the soul of cinder is an amalgamation of every soul that has gone into it. Gwyn was the first person to link the flame, there was no other soul to merge with his. except maybe the furtive pygmy depending on your headcannon
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>>170755201
Yeah, I really didn't like how the soc introduced Gwyn in the second phase. Especially when his design and moveset in phase 1 suggested that the soc was the chosen undead from 1.

>>170754902
>Occult
Is that related to the dark or is it something else entirely?

>>170755693
>???
Neutral does not equal good.
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>>170755714

does gwyn having a flaw really bother you that much? is this about gwyn, or about you hating DaS2 and not wanting either game to be connected? because I think it's bad writing but I don't deny what direction they were going in. Gwyn and old iron king were self-important and got fried as a result of their self-importance. gwyn never had to link the flame, and it's arguable if humanity really benefited from it.
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>>170754959
yes sir.
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>>170756045
>does gwyn having a flaw really bother you that much?
??????
What on earth are you on about anon?

Please take a moment, then come back to your keyboard and just stat the point that you are trying to make ignoring everything that has been said before.
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>>170755924

>a peaceful dragon that teaches me how to become a dragon isn't good because he doesn't speak english
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>>170753803

Gwyn is a tragic character who had no fucking clue what he was doing and he shit his pants when he found out what a threat the Dark and Humans were. So he tossed himself into the Fire to prolong the age so everyone wouldn't suffer and the status quo would be maintained. He and Fraampt also set it up so that Undead would Link the Fire so the world he created would come back again, time and time again. However, the Linking is unnatural, leading to the Dark lashing out harder each time the Fire starts dying, and the world getting pulled into a singularity as it fades.
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>>170756045
>and it's arguable if humanity really benefited from it.
Why would Gwyn care about humanity? He explicitly linked the flame for the sake of the gods, not humans.
Did you actually play any of the games or are you just taking all of your lore from youtube videos or something
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>>170756189
That dragon and the dragon covenant are so barebones and clearly just hastily implemented incomplete ideas, so it's pretty hard to really assign any assumption as to the behavior of everlasting dragons from the one encounter.
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>>170756184

that gwyn and old iron king share personality traits revolving around their ego's and self-importance, and it led to them getting toasty.
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>>170755867
>the soul of cinder is an amalgamation of every soul that has gone into it.

Right, and said soul inhabits the body of the last person to link the flame. That's why the SoC appears as a knight seen only in the intro--whoever he was, he was the last dude to link the fire before us. With his soul utterly consumed, the will of the First Flame entered into his empty body to use as its defender. The same thing happened with Gwyn.
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Guys. GUYS.
What if we like - BECAME the Sun?
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>>170756360

>Why would Gwyn care about humanity? He explicitly linked the flame for the sake of the gods, not humans.

and that's where his ego comes into play, which is my entire fucking point. he did the shit he did for himself and his kids so they could remain in power.
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>>170756079
Yep, its lagging far too much on my end to play :/
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Hey anons, about to beat DS for the first time.

I want my next playthrough to be dex with some lighting faith shit

Should I do NG^+ or play DS2?
Is dex/faith possible or fun in DS2?
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>>170756479
Then Solaire would finally love us back
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>>170756383
Gywn has no ego. He likes humans enough that he gave a group of them parts of his lord soul.
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>>170756189
>A peaceful dragon that teaches you to seek out others, challenge them to duels, murder them and take their scales.
I'm not saying hes evil, but hes really just True Neutral.
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>>170756472

>The same thing happened with Gwyn.

and I'm saying this can't happen with gwyn because he was the first person to link the flame. his soul was the only soul in the flame. there was no soul before his to amalgamate into his. it was just gwyn.
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>>170756641

that's called having grace towards them, it didn't have anything to do with him considering them equals or, god forbid, letting humans have control of another age.
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>>170755867

Each person that goes into the Kiln destroys the body of the last person to Link it who became the protector. They then Link the Flame, merging with the soul of the First Flame itself and everything thrown into it, including the soul they just got, and the cycle repeats. However, in the Lord of Hollows ending, instead is being consumed by the Flame, the Flame is consumed by YOU, making you the dominant entity.
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>>170756472
>That's why the SoC appears as a knight seen only in the intro--whoever he was, he was the last dude to link the fire before us.
I'm pretty sure the SoC is suppose to be the chosen undead. They both wear the elite knight armor set.
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>>170756479
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>>170756874

my post had nothing to do with that.
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>>170756383
If that's all then
Gwyn = OIK = Solair = Tarkus = Crestfallen Merchant = OIK = OSK = O&S = BoC

Iron King we have gone over
Solair thinks he is important enough to merit his own personal Sun and ends up going hollow because of it
Tarkus thinks his hot shit and can take on Anor Londo but ends up dying
Same goes for crestfallen merchant
Ivory King thought he was so hot shit he could stop the spread of chaos and ends up dying because of it
Sunken King thinks he was hot shit and his kingdom ends up overrun by a bunch of furries who want some dragon ass
Orni and Smaugh are both so full of themselves they think they can stop the chosen undead and end up dying
Witch of izalith we have already gone over

What you described as a character trait is so fucking broad it can be used to link almost any character that attempts to DO anything that fails.

Again your insistence on creating headcanon just to bitch about the headcanon you just created is just dumb
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>>170756672

You don't realize at this point that the First Flame isn't really just a Fire, bit the master soul of all souls, correct? It ITSELF is an entity from which all other souls came.
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>>170756968

I don't know how the not-so-subtle concepts in dark souls 2 are lost on you, and how you have such a poor understanding of literary characterization.
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>>170756641
>>170756821
He also gave his daughter to the pygmies of the ringed city.
Again, Gywn feared the dark, but that doesn't mean he hated humans.
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>>170756943

Then you don't understand the process. The First Flame IS a soul. He was consumed by it, and it used his body to protect itself.
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>>170756572
DEX works just fine in DS2
DEX + faith works as well since faith is basically an assist stat in 2 (gives you more heals for early-midgame and just straight up buffs for lategame)
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>>170757010

so you're pulling some shit out of your ass that the first flame has sentience over gwyn now?

gwyn was the first soul in the flame, he's the only one there, there is no other entity to influence him.
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>>170756821
>give part of your fucking soul and a kingdom to some humans
>make your capital city able to be traversed by both humans and gods
>send in 3 of your best knights to save a human settlement from being blacked

hmmm
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>>170757289
Nigga the flame is souls, all souls come from the flame, all souls are made of the flame, all souls are the flame.
He just put back what he took from it
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>>170757091
I still don't understand how you can attribute such absurdly broad traits as "attempting to do a thing and failing" and then saying it makes the characters the same and thats all there is to it, you are just really dumb


>>170757289
Naaah his talking about the flame where gwyn and co originally found the lord souls, the one the intro talks about
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>>170756572
There's not much that will change in an NG+ playthrough of Dark Souls, so unless you want to try running through the game on a different path, or clear things out in a different way, it won't be a hugely different experience. Difficulty doesn't change that much, either.

Dark Souls 2 has a fair amount of fun dex weapons, so that will be enjoyable enough. That being said, faith in 2 is can be difficult to get running (early offensive faith spells have very few casts), but if you're willing to put the effort in, it's still a workable build in the long run.
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>>170757215
Sweet, thanks anon

I just really want to use lightning spears
I hope they look good and are decent in DS2
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>>170757289

Wow, how do you not realize that the First Flame is the master soul at this point? There's nothing asspully about it. Go and read up.
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>>170756672
>his soul was the only soul in the flame

Yes, but you're assuming the Flame itself is a non-actor in all of this. The Flame has some will of its own, if only as a sense of self-preservation. Otherwise, why would it even take an avatar in the first place?

>>170756886
The Firelink set looks kind of like a red version of the Elite Knight set, yes, but that's just it--no Chosen Undead ever wore such a thing because it didn't exist in DS1. And we know this was an actual guy, because we see him in the intro.
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>>170757335
>Give his youngest daughter to the ancient humans
>Give the ancient humans a home of their own
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>>170756909
>reddit and memety

hi memety
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>>170757398
>I just really want to use lightning spears
Ohboi did you miss the boat in that one. They used to be absurdly powerful, now after tons of patching they are mediocre at best since they do okay-ish damage but have few casts, that's why I said faith is as support stat, you get it for the heals/weapon damage buffs/character buffs. If you want damage then sadly hexes and sorceries are where it's at.
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>bonfires are the souls of firekeepers
>the first flame is a bonfire
>the first flame has a firekeeper
>she's deep within the ringed city
>it's filianore
>when she dies the flame goes out permanently, which is why gwyn hid her away forever
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>>170757451

I will say this, though. He put her there for a reason. He gave them a city for a reason. He never intended to come back for her and this city is the closest thing to the Abyss. That doesn't sound suss to you?
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>>170757559
I pretty much just want them for looks
I'm fine with them not being that good.

>>170757395
I think my game plan is go heavy dex early on, and then put faith in late game
I read somewhere dex is bad in DS2, is that accurate?
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>>170757565

Actually somewhat makes sense, but not all bonfires have Firekeepers. We don't really know why their purpose is.
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>>170757565

>lady overgrown by vines in the trailer has her eyes put out, like Firekeepers do

Holy shit, there's some credence to this.
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>>170757602
>the Abyss
Gwyn has nothing to do with the abyss, that is humanity's fault.
It probably didn't even exist back in the early days of Gwyn's time.
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>>170755295
Yeah, I just killed her second try, only even used Rouge for a fraction of the first phase since I got hit by her grab attack twice.

I got her low and then decided to commit for the last few attacks, we killed each other at the same time but it still counted for me. That's also how I killed her on my first character, I died at the same time as her and got Embered after respawning at Vordt's.
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>>170757832

Not true. The Abyss that we know of is Kaathe's fault.
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>>170757735
>not all bonfires have Firekeepers.

you are the fire keeper of fires that you link.
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>>170757565
>>170757735
>>170757771
She honestly looks more firekeepery.

>>170757921
>Not true. The Abyss that we know of is Kaathe's fault.
And Kaathe may or may not have been the ancient human leader of the ringed city's path of dragon covenant.
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>>170757964

That's not true. The one in Anor Londo had a Firekeeper before it was linked.
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>>170757718
>I read somewhere dex is bad in DS2, is that accurate?
Hardly, 2 katans will 1-shot most enemies in the game and rapiers are probably the best overall anti boss weapons in the game due to their good counterhit damage and fast hits.

Dex is "bad" in DS2 on paper because there are no DEX weapons that gain as much damage from raw scaling as STR weapons, but DEX weapons have far higher counter damage modifiers (a katana hit on an enemy that is attacking/recoverying from an attack does 50% more damage as opposed to a fuckhuge hammer that does the same amount of damage regardless of what state the enemy is in)

Do keep in mind that DS2 is not balanced around SL120 or anything like that, a lot of the endgame weapons need high DEX, endgame miracles need a lot of faith and quite a few attunement slots, don't be afraid of leveling your skills.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST LEVEL ADP YOU WANT AROUND 99 AGILITY FOR A "FINISHED" CHARACTER
ADP gives Agility, Agility governs your iframes for rolls, equip load governs your roll distance, your roll animation and your overall stamina recovery speed, there are breakpoints for Agility, but generally you want to invest at least 2-5 levels in ADP at the start of the game and hit 99 agility at around your 10th boss, depending on how much of an issue rolling through attacks is giving you
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>>170758127

He might, but you can't say that for certain because we don't know what the hell a Primordial Serpent is.
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>>170757964
Why can't we light bonfires whose firekeeper is dead?
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>>170757771
>>170757735
>>170757565

>Said to be the eyes of the first Fire Keeper, and the light that was lost by all Fire Keepers to come.

>It reveals to the sightless Fire Keepers things that they should never see.
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>>170736689
rude
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>>170758127

She's basically identical to the nameless one in Firelink.
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>>170758318

Yes, but we don't know if this giantess is a Firekeeper or if she has no eyes. Or anything as to her purpose besides that she was sent into a sleep for the benefit of the world.
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>>170758280
>Connected to the abyss (which is a corruption of humanity's dark soul)
>Old, Very Old
>Could have been, but never was a dragon
I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the snakes are ancient humans, but we don't really have enough to go on.
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>>170758280
>what the hell a Primordial Serpent is.

Oh, we know exactly what it is: the last boss of The Ringed City.

But to be serious, it's intimated that the Serpents are, like, imperfect dragons or some shit. They were fucks like Seath who didn't have all the stony majesty of real dragons, and so they just kept to the depths of the earth.
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>>170758580
Wasn't there suppose to be a "snake soul" boss or something?
And then this abyss dragon shows up again in the leaks.
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>>170758580

Right, but that doesn't mean much. There is the line about they they could have been, but never were, dragons. It's a really fucking odd statement but I guess it can't be ignored.
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>>170754858
Good to know. I'm planning on using the oak shield and SP ring, and I might go with either blessed weapon or replenishment. Does the blessed infusion stack with innate regen - like a blessed ethereal oak shield?
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>>170757964
>you are the fire keeper of fires that you link.

but im a boy
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>>170758947
Damnit, meant to quote >>170755269
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>>170759034
>but im a boy

Psssshhh... Next you'll be telling me Gwyndolin is a boy!
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>>170759070
Can't infuse oakshield, or any weapon with innate regen for that matter.
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>>170759197
You can totally infuse the shield, I just don't know if it keeps the innate regen.
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>>170758580

I think the general gist of dark souls is that dragons are divine beings, and humans are related to them in some way or can "ascend". this leads to the dragon covenants and the crossbreeds and the seath crazies and the like. something happened that created "fallen dragons" like frampt who is actively plotting against humans, and kaathe who wants to send humans into eternal darkness.
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>want to buy dark souls 3 and play the ringed city
>it's almost $100 canada dollars

h-haha
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>>170759421
Every videogame is like 80CAD flatout, why did you think this one would be different?

Also you can just wait until the goty edition releases a month later and get the whole thing bundled
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>>170759562
Are we taking bets on what the GOTY will be called?


My bets on something utterly retarded like DS3: Dark Editon
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>>170759654
Pretty sure it's already been announced as "The Fire Fades".
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>>170759654
We already know: it's called "The Fire Fades Edition."
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>>170759562

I found it and the season pass on some UK website for $78
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>>170757964
This, essentially. The bonfires tended by fire keepers are fed by the humanity swirling inside the Fire keepers, and the bonfires we encounter without fire keepers are unlit before the player lights them up and feeds them with their own humanity.
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>>170759762
>>170759795
>not the fire flame edition

fuck it
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>>170759963

and in this vein we can realize that the first flame itself, at least in the form we encounter it, is nothing more than a bonfire. a bonfire containing the magnificent soul of gwyn himself, but a bonfire all the same.

the question is, who did gwyn kill to make it?
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Can someone explain why there's 10 classes in dark souls 1 and 3 but only 8 in dark souls 2 of which 2 are just meme classes (explorer/deprived)
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>>170760272
b teem
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>>170760272
1 and 3 both have a lot of redundant classes that are just there to fill out the tasteless DnD reference quota.
Two has fewer but more focused starting classes and less crossover between them.
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>>170760272
DS2 base characters have a lot smaller stat investment, they are pretty similar as is so trying to make even more variety was kinda impossible.
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Did they announce where the wnterence to dlc2 will be?

Have you guys still not accepted that there will be a 3rd dlc?
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dark souls 4 when
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>>170760462
>Did they announce where the wnterence to dlc2 will be?
Based on the environment and the fact that the sun is going full darksign? Probably the Kiln, after SoC. But that's just a guess.

>Have you guys still not accepted that there will be a 3rd dlc?
(X) Doubt
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>>170760462
No announcement for location yet, though one article from the last press circus claims that, when asked, a bamco rep explained that no entrance location had been set in stone yet because they were struggling to find a suitable location that would accommodate players who hadn't bought or completed DLC1

Since DLC2 is a direct sequel to DLC1 and shares plot continuity, making a canon-compliant entrance that disregards your completion status of DLC1 is difficult. I assume they essentially have to contrive a reason for going to The Ringed City that isn't "The Dark Soul of Man" because that requires you to finish DLC1
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>>170760272
Well, in 1 there are a few classes that are very similar, like hunter and wanderer. That raises the number of classes without actually making them particularly diverse.
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FC is over.
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>>170760589
Hopefully this will be the last. These games are a good memory, for me, and an ending no matter how convoluted right now seems like a chance to end it in a high point.
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>>170760435
The variety is possible.
They pulled a memeclass like the explorer and merged sorcerer and pyro to just sorcerer. Then they merged hunter and thief to make bandit. And they merged wanderer and warrior to just warrior.
They didn't need to merge stuff but they did.
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>>170760802
>DLC2 is a direct sequel to DLC1
Explain? I'm not saying you're wrong, as my knowledge of the DLC is basically the trailers and the 30 minute stream yesterday, but I can't see how burning down a painting is connected to the dying first flame.
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>>170758215
Sweet thanks anon
ur a good guy
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>>170760187
>who did gwyn kill to make it?

The Pygmy, obviously. That's why humanity is tied to the bonfires.
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>>170761060
>And they merged wanderer and warrior to just warrior.
Anon are you high? Wanderer and Warrior are both starting classes in 2.
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>>170760802

I don't even think dark soul of man is a good excuse to go to the ringed city. If anything, I would want a character and plotpoint that centers around the complete rejection of the flame explored in SotFS, then add a second path to the kiln that leads to dreg heap.
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>>170761423
Maybe if you do Yuria's quest, you end up going there to usurp the actual, physical first flame? Potentially out from onder the nose of the other lords since time fuckery is involved?

I hope this is wrong as my character that's ready to go into TRC told yoel to fuck off.
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>>170761072
Your reason for going to The Ringed City is to pursue Gael, who's searching for it in order to retrieve "The Dark Soul of Man" which the painter loli needs. It's the pigment that will allow her to actually make her painting.

Obviously you can't go fishing for pigment for a painter that can't paint, and you can't exactly pursue a guy that's sitting in the cathedral praying, so DLC2's quest doesn't make sense without first completing DLC1. They need a workaround for that. Essentially, they need a separate parallel story concept that they can use as a reason for the player to go to The Ringed City that doesn't involve the painter at all.

Being forced to scrap your planned scenario late in development because the publisher says so creates these kinds of problems. The two DLCs were originally planned as a single big release like TOH and, then split by bamco for the sake of having more regular content releases. That's part of why AoA was so small and roughshod, they pushed its release up 6 months from where its development schedule was originally set.
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>>170760589
I honestly hope never. The playerbase has become increasingly jaded and bitter towards this series, and ends up picking the newer games apart with a fucking microscope while the older games remain sacred cows. Any new game that came out would inevitably enjoy its period of time as the piece of shit cashgrab with no redeeming qualities, like both 2 and 3 experience(d), and it's absolutely time to axe the series and start something that won't constantly be compared to something else and automatically have a critical reception from players.

I also want to see if FROM has any unique ideas going on, it would be really nice to see something out of left field sometime soon.
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>>170760462
>find some item to allow you to access the Flameless Shrine from the doppelganger Firelink in Untended Graves
>this puts the entrance to the DLC behind a few beef gates, ensuring the player can't royally fuck up the sequence of progression and allowing From to set triggers for the Flameless Shrine that don't interfere with the end of the base game
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>>170761581
Huh. OK then.
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>>170761581

they just need to set up an alternate cause to enter, and create a secondary storyline for gael for people who didn't finish AoA in that playthrough

like, make Gael hostile in an otherwise friendly situation, and change possible dialogue.
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>>170761283
They mean different things in the two games. Wanderers in dark souls 1 are scimitar wielding fast swords men so they're like the swordsmen of dark souls 2. Hunters thieves and wanderer were the dex classes and in dark souls 2 there's only swordsmen and bandits for that.
Knights, bandits and warriors are dex and vitality classes in dark souls 1 but only knights and warriors are left in dark souls 2.
And there were clerics, pyros and sorcerers which they reduced to clerics and sorcerers.
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>parry fishers think I'm going to just press R1 and not R2 or backstab when they spam L2 infront of my face

l m a o
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DaS1 (2) when?
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>>170761581
>the two DLCs were originally planned as one big release by Bamco.
Source?

>>170761585
I could do with a NotBloodborne and then a Notdemon'ssouls
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>>170761562

I'd like to think there would be a sinister reason neither the sable church or kaathe would want you setting foot in the ringed city, like, I doubt they would want you ushering in an age of gray that completely fucks their age of dark boner.
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>>170762171

Parry fishers are why Sacred Flame exists.
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>>170762248

bloodborne basically is the sequel to demon's souls, and that's the kind of sequels I want to these games. bloodborne took a hard left turn on game connections (they removed the gascoigne = boletaria stuff late in) and while that's a shame the game's probably better off for it.
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>>170731759
>that doesn't revolve around the entire world being at risk of complete destruction

The world has already gone to shit in Bloodborne, so post-apocalyptic fits.
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>>170762161
You are making even less sense now so I'll just sum it up: "DS2 doesn't have a pyro"
Bow DEX and normal DEX got merged into one so the only real difference between the games is the lack of a pyro class, the rest is just trying to create no existant sub cattegories between classes to make the absence of a bow only class seem more of a big deal than it really is.
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>final blow with onyx blade weapon art

I need some more anime as fuck feels.
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>>170762791

>The world has already gone to shit in Bloodborne

no, yharnam has already gone to shit. yharnam is one city. the player goes to yharnam to get treatment because he is sick, and ends up in crazy-ville.
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>>170762472

I'm 99% that's way too slow.
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>>170761060
Why do you keep referring to explorer as a meme class? He has by far the highest starting ADP, meaning he works out well for people struggling with rolls.
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>>170763174
Obviously not, since I've managed it many a time. Granted, I've done it with a Dex build wearing the Sage's Ring.
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>>170763417
Explorer also starts with a bunch of free consumables
It's literally the handholder starting class
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>>170763021
Hornet ring backstab/parry with any great weapon, feels good as fuck.
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>>170763121
It's sort of implied that the world of Bloodborne really sucks in general. The beast plague isn't unique to Yharnam, for one thing, and understandably so, given Yharnamites handing out their tainted blood to foreigners is apparently not an unheard-of occurrence. And this without getting into the "old wars" which involved automatic weapons--if we take Bloodborne's Victorian tech level as indicative of the overall world's, then they've probably fought their version of the Napoleonic Wars with all the casualties and destruction that implies.
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>>170763973
Where the blood goes, so go the beasts. Anywhere in possession of blood is going to end up a wreck.
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Anyone got the most up-to-date tier lists for DaS1 and 3?
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>>170764116
Anyone on PC willing to drop me a Valorheart and Slave Knight Leggings? I want to practice with Valorheart early on in PvE before I get to PvP with it. If you could also spare a Follower Javalin and Faraam Helm that would be amazing, but all I really need is Valorheart and the Slave Knight Leggings. I can even return them later when I get my own copies if you message me on steam when I summon you.
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>>170764116
oops sorry, didn't mean to accidentally reply to your comment
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Anybody want to fight Sister Friede on PS4 with me?
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Wish me luck guys
I'm on a shield-only playthrough and I'm about to go against yhorm
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>>170765103
Sure, I'll help. What's the password?
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Alright /dsg/ should i keep leveling or stick where i am for some low-level invasions?
My current build:https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/151810
My build if i keep leveling:https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/151811
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>>170765193
Sweet. Let's just do dsg for the password.
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>>170765161
See you next year, champion of ash. Is onionbro around?
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>>170765302
Alright, I'll just take a minute or two because I haven't gone to the PW on this char yet.
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>>170765265
Stay where you are
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>>170765383
Sure thing.
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>>170765497
Thanks for waiting. Sign's down now.
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>>170765713
Found you!
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>>170765785
Dammit, I got stuck inside Ariandel and he wrecked me. My sign's down in case you beat them.
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>>170766165
It's cool. I died in the third phase. We can go again!
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>>170766165
In case you don't*
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>>170764717
>slave knight leggings

Show your waifu
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>>170764717
Do you have a +10 weapon? Because mine are fully upgraded, so you won't be able to pick them up if you don't.
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>>170766165
FUCK YEAH!

MGLS 4 LIFE

Thanks for the help!
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>>170766862
No worries! Always love doing that fight. By the way, why do you have such low HP? You took like 750 damage at one point and were left with a tiny sliver. What sort of build are you running?
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>>170765265
On a related note, what's the best place to invade around sl 50
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>>170767158
Eh . . . Catacombs/Irithyl?
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>>170766470
Here is waifu

>>170766720
Nope, just started and I wanted to practice through PvE. Sorry.
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>>170766986
That's weird I have 1188 HP (24 VIG). Is that low?

I'm doing a INT/FAI build.
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>>170767158
Anything from 50-60 is prime Aldrich Faithful territory. You will get constant summons.
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>>170767285
You should be at like 35 minimum, that's only going to get you wrecked in PVP. Here's what I did on my Int/Fai pure caster, if you're interested.
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>>170767269
literally just the generic face with a scare, lighter skin and hairy chest
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>>170767285
>not having 1600ish embered
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>>170767571
There are few tweaks here and there, but yeah that was basically the goal to have a better generic face.
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>>170767534
Hey sonybro, would you happen to have an archdeacon greatstaff?
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>>170767285
Go to at least 27 or don't level it at all
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>>170767773
Is that the one you get from Aldrich Faithful Rank 2? Because I only bothered getting to Rank 1 for Great Deep Soul. Sorry.
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>>170766862
>>170767285
>mlgs
>int/faith build
wat are you doing?

You played AoA, right? You should have the onyx blade.
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>only 1 (ONE) bloodstone rock in a bloodborne NG cycle
>8 titanite slabs in a DaS3 NG cycle

What were they thinking?
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does the game end when i kill gwyn
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>>170767534
It hasn't been too bad for me in PVP, but then again I have a very memey tactic that I use a lot. Plus: I'm SL 93.

Thanks for the build info btw.

>>170767783
LOL

>>170767980
AoA?
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>>170768687
>AoA?

He means Ashes of Ariandel, mate.
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>>170768881
lol whoops

I just completed it. Guess I'll try some Onyx blade if you guys recommend it.
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is dark souls 1 dlc worth it

i kind of just want to kill gwyn and start ds2
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I want to try a strength/int build.
Are there any weapons that naturally have a synergy with this sort of spec or am I relegated to buffs purely?
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>>170769130
Yes, it's fun, do it.
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>>170769130
Yes, it is
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>>170768647
Two, actually.
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>>170769159
I tried it once. I know how Yhorm's with SS was good, so I went with CMW Great Machete with Cleric's Candlestick. It was shit.
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>>170769384
I was thinking of using a CMW-buffed Executioner's GS as my anchor.

It's just that I'm wracking my brain trying to think of a buffable pure str (or optimal with heavy infusion) weapon that doesn't have warcry as a WA
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>>170768647
>DS1 had like 3 or 4 slabs obtainable through normal progression, with the option to grind for hours to get them to drop extremely rarely from Darkwraiths
>DS2 has several enemies that drop slabs like candy and an early game covenant where you can RNG your way to 99 slabs if you're willing to subject yourself to DS2 PVP for a few days
>DS3 just has 8, and you can't farm them off any enemies

It's as if these stupid fuckers take one step forwards, then 1.5 steps back.
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>>170769241
>>170769353
how long does it take?
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>>170759654
>>170759762
>>170759795
Profane Edition
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>>170769570
People COMPLAINED about DaS2 having too many slabs and making them too easy to farm.

DaS3 is their fault.
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>>170769602
Not long, it's the best part of the game.
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>>170769602
It is very short, actually, maybe 3-4 hours if you beat the bosses quickly.

Do it.
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>>170769691
>DaS2
>farming was too easy

That's a real headscratcher right there.
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>>170769130
It's really fun and you'll love it if you like the lore in Dark Souls.
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>>170769819
>>170769781
alright
im doing it, thanks anons
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>>170769965
Have fun :^)
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>>170769965
Enjoy getting fisted.
it's really cozy
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>>170769939
You do realize that they eventually gave you the option to stop enemies from despawning, yes? And even then, Stone Soldiers don't despawn and they drop slabs semi regularly.
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>>170769939
don't kill the enemy you want to farm because the drop rate decreases the more you kill them up until they disappear.

Then go join covenant of champions and farm to your heart's content.

That's how you farm in DaS2
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>>170746754
Better go hypermode then.
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How do you use a shield in DS3? I never used a shield on like 10 of my characters, now I am making a greatshield character for cosplay. I just beat twin princes, and noticed that I accidentally unequipped my shield during the fight and didn't even notice. Its so much easier to just dodge the attack when you see it coming, the stamina cost is way less. When I do block a shot (usually to try to set up a counter attack) it drains like half my stamina.
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>>170770113
>>170770215
My point was that normally you hear the opposite; that SM and despawns make farming impossible and the game is literal garbage because of this minor inconvenience.

It's funny to me that you get people complain about both sides of the same situation depending on what fits the current narrative.
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>>170770346
You use greatshields in PvP and piss everyone off because they're too stupid to switch to an anti-shield weapon.

Also you upgrade them to buff up their stability. I used a medium shield on and off for my first playthrough and it went pretty well, but generally blocking bosses is sort of useless, since you mostly want the deflection against normal enemies.
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>>170770462
People mostly complained about farming for fashion. Especially Heide Knight gear. Especially the helmet.
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>>170724271
neat
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>>170770346
Go Great Magic Shield or go home.

Shields in general are shit in DaS3, nowhere near as good as they were in the first two games (2 especially, since you had Baneful Bird Ring and Strong Magic Shield that could stack together). They're only useful for dealing with mobs, or combined with Skull Ring to tank for a host when co-oping.

As for Homoprinces, they are pretty easy to dodge, Lorian's attacks are mostly easily telegraphed except for that lunge forward into overhead he does with very little warning. Blocking is a lot more useful if you're facing an enemy with a bunch of harder to predict/dodge attacks like Nameless King and maybe Gwyn, and even then only if you have a specialized greatshield like Dragonslayer's.
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>>170770462
>>170770595

Only part I hated about DaS2's farming was the covenant items you could only get from doing ridiculous things like killing invaders 1000 times to get a ring upgrade, killing 100 invaders to get the Bellkeeper set, or SoTFS making it so the parts to the insolent set only has a slight chance of dropping from 12, non-respawning invading red phantoms.
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>>170770486
>anti-shield weapon

Oho, like what?
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>>170770853

Your boot.
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>doing Consumed King's Garden on NG+
>get invaded by a purple, who spawns right in front of me
>dodges my attack, attempts to counterattack
>roll past him and gun straight for the boss fog
What did he mean by this?
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>>170770853
Any scythe. Any dagger with blind spot (most notably the corvian one). Estoc. Darkdrift after its buff nobody paid attention to. Bleed weapons. Weapons that inflict an element the particular shield is weak to, if it is. Great hammers usually destroy most of their stamina now unless they're a disgusting turtle. There are some I'm forgetting. Other obvious ones are weapon arts that don't go forward.
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>>170770462
I'm pretty sure there's retarded shit like the necromancer's set and staff when the black ones permadespawn or some shit.
Materials/covenant items sure, but any super rare weapon/set drop is retarded.
It's a fucking PVE game not an MMO, there is nothing about farming that is fun and exciting.

Imagine paying a bunch of fags to put the flamberge in the game, and now consider how many people naturally got it in their run without farming. For what purpose?
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>>170724271
Fucking brutal
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>summoning people for NG+ great tree
>only 1 out of 10 so far has survived to phase 2
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>>170771236
Trying to hit anyone with one of those shitty super slow "shield pierce" weapon arts is like trying to hit them with a great hammer r2.
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>>170731916
The ghosts in the tutorial are NPCs, Wulf2k did a video about it a long time ago

Online rarely ever works in these games, mainly the devs being moralfags and not wanting to step on any more toes than they are already stepping on by having a emulator in the first place.
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>>170771630
Darkdrift's was sped up.

Seriously though, scythes do something like a third of their regular damage through shields, same as the shotel I believe. All of them have status effects too. Shieldfags always seem to panic when I whip one out and they let me bang a few R1s on their drum.
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>>170771520
I just summoned "Champion Gundyr" and not even he could make it
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I haven't played DS3 for the better part of a year. Is multiplayer dead? Can I find invades without having the DLC?
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>>170771520
I really need to get around to doing a low-level playthrough so I can summon faggots for NG+ bosses and watch the fun.
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>>170770625
goddamn I keep forgetting how ugly this game is.
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Anyone have the stat page from the Aquamarine Dagger?
I want to base a build around it so I need to double check the str/dex reqs
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>>170772446
Nope. We haven't seen any of the stats from any of the new gear yet. We've barely even seen the Aquamarine Dagger.
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>>170772446
shit scaling
generic dagger moveset outside of L2 combos (which all cost FP, including just pressing L2 once)


really disappointed to see that the trend of generic weapons with the only difference being weapon arts continues
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>>170771960
>>170771913
>>170771520
give a big applause for the rando who helped me beat it

half the fun is seeing people die, but its more amazing when they survive
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>>170772726
At least that wasn't true for AoA, I have some faith in TRC weapons
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>>170772726
I wonder how the WA is going to work.
If it's 8FP every time you enter the stance and the stance works just like a normal WA stance, then you essentially get fucked out of FP every time you roll.

Or does the stance persist even if you roll?
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Please tell me, without overt spoilers, if the DLC has any good scythes.

Or has the data not been fully mined yet?
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>>170772758
Really? That is the easiest boss in the game. Its easier than Iudex except for the spawn-in mobs.
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>>170772956
Yeah, if you kill the final boss you can transpose her soul to make a dual-weild scythe
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>>170771929
DS3 is well alive. You can easily find invades in like 5 seconds at the right level brackets for the area.
>>
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>>170773130
I mean the upcoming one. Hence "data mined". Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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>>170772935
no, it's like friede's scythe
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>>170773410
>ywn be trapped in the gooey embrace of a slime monster and constantly teased and prodded and ravished until your mind breaks from the constant pleasure and stimulation
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>>170773632
Wait but entering the WA didn't cost anything.
What is that 8FP listed in the WA cost, then?
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>>170773775
Probably the actual cost of swinging. One should note that he doesn't have the stats to wield it, and when you can't wield a weapon and try to do its weaponart it doesn't go right.
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>>170773831
There's a (2/3) to indicate the cost of using the stance R1 and stance R2

Which means there's a 3rd function to the WA that costs 8FP we haven't been able to see yet.
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Do people still play DaS2 or did the community die for good when Namco split the playerbase between vanilla & SotFS?
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>>170774069
It's been regularly active since the RtD event, but I think that either ended recently or is about to end.
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>>170771929
Yes. It's still pretty alive. You'll invade but mostly on gankers. Even if you don't have the DLC you'll still invade people with it because of how they patch the game.
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>>170773006
dont underestimate this guy's NG+ capability of one-shotting babby phantoms
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>>170771929
At SL200 I'm getting constant aldrich invasions and as many summon signs as I did at SL120.
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>>170774006
Well if he's done the full moveset and did every possible weapon combination then it actually might have a cost for starting up
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does anyone remember the video that had the spongebob button monologue over the navlaan lever?
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>>170775479
Except you can see in the footage that it clearly doesn't have a startup cost.
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>>170774069
been co-oping ds2 reg version with some friends

ZERO invasions. Not a single one. Got pretty far in so far. Definitely only in SofS version
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>>170775762
no but I want to see that
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>>170775232
I miss my watchdog summons. It's bullshit the SL cutoff is pretty much at 30. Tired of Aldrich
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>>170776048
I didn't originally assert it, thank you very much
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>>170773632
Holy shit that looks gay as fuck.
Who the fuck is the faggot adding sparkle twirl daggers to the game?

Like shit at least make it a catalyst that can only cast boosted sword sorceries or something neat like that.
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Through trial and torment, we've finished our journey

That was fun
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Has anyone noticed boss behavior being a little different since the latest patch?
I just fought greatwood on NG++ and noticed his little spin-punch thing rotates more than it used to, like instead of going 180 degree he goes like like 270 or something.

I'm not crazy, right?
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>>170769549
Any great hammer that isn't Morne's or the clubs.
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>>170774069
By the time you were posting I was invading shitters in Eleum Loyce.
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Somebody said earlier that Dark Souls 3 doesn't give the "whoa" effect?
Yeah I just got to the smouldering lake and I've beaten both das 1 and 2 multiple times and I don't think I've ever come this close to shitting my pants literally
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>>170771520
are you that SL 30 dude
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>play DS3 as dex/int spellsword
>buffed crow quills, occasional swordceries, have fun
>decide to reroll and play through as a different build before dlc3
>try to make a cute paladin girl
>herald and knight shit, greatsword, minor miracles
>using astora GS
This is a completely different experience. It's nice to be able to kill things in 2-3 hits compared to an estoc or similar, but holy shit it's so slow.
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>>170776739
>run past all enemies
>do no side areas
>spam through NPC dialogue (if you talk to any)
>beat the game
>"WTF /dsg/ this game sucked its nothing like DS2"
There ARE plenty of whoa effects like that one
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>>170776635
Excluding Quakestone and Vordt's, which are both unbuffable, that just leaves the Greatmace, which is the worst GH in the game by far.
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>>170776885
This right here
holy fuckin
oh my god
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>>170776942
What about the one you get from the Evangelists? I've heard good things about it.
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When did you realize that all the effort and care was being siphoned away from Dark Souls 3 into From's other new IPs /dsg/?
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>>170776870
Yep, in NG+ now

Seeing how far I can get with only randoms whichll be exactly the cutoff point of SL 50 summons
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>>170776947
damn tape worms.
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>>170776947
SHAI-HULUD
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>>170777047
When did you realize this post has been repeated for a whopping 6 fucking years since DaS1 dropped
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Give me a build to make for the DLC
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>>170777567
SL80 with 40 Dex, 20 Str and 40 Vig. Use whatever you feel like using.
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>>170776947
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>>170777567
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/151842
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I think I'm going crazy
In that room with the heretic's staff in crucifixion woods, there are drums when I stand next to the walls
Someone please tell me they can hear it
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>>170767534
What`s your damage like on this build?
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>>170776739
>shit brown lake like the last 10 miles of shit brown areas
>here a thwack and get hit by a massive heat seaking arrow being launched by a fucking MAGICAL ballistae
>big worm shoots up, does not move from its spot
>giant fucking crabs look out of place as fuck

woah it's garbage
Old Demon King and the ruins was the best part of that area, the piles of demon corpses were great. First venture in the ruins is like the only time I got disorientated and spooked in the entire game.
>>
What armor is better than Alvas? I have it at +9, preferably something light with better defense. Also what's a good shield to use, greatshield or otherwise. I'm using mastodon halberd and red rune scimitar with a pure strength build at the moment, would mastodon greatsword be a better option for pvp?

das2 SOTFS btw
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>>170778296
Surprisingly good. I get about the same damage as you would from any other dedicated Int or Faith build, and Great Deep Soul does about 200 to 250 a hit. It's good for baiting rollcatches with Sunlight Spear or HCSM. Pretty keen to see it get an upgrade in the DLC supposedly.
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>>170778368
Look at it this way, that part is just the true successor of izalith.
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>>170778532
Good stuff. I'm considering copying your build, so it's good to hear that's it's viable
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Can I get some help with the Crystal Sage boss on PC?
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>>170778621
Well, as viable as any magic build is. Most experienced players will know how to easily dodge all your magic spam, so a lot of the time you just fall back on Flashsword. The biggest strength of the build is that you have such a variety of spells at your disposal, which catches a lot of people off guard. Also, one of the real MVPs of the build is Pestilent Mercury. The damage buildup on it is monstrous as of a few patches ago. It's a bit tricky to pull off in duels, but they pretty quickly catch on that it's not something to mess with.
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>>170778784
sure, what's password and where's sign?
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>>170778368
How are giant crabs out of place there?
There are giant crabs in every watery area I've been.
I do think it's pretty lame that the worm doesn't move though.
really lame actually I think that's an oversight. Or maybe a bit of mercy on the part of fromsoft
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>>170778368
>shit brown swamp like the last ten miles of shit brown areas
>hear a RRRRRRRRRRR and get hit by a massive heat seeking boulder being launched by a fucking GIANT ogre
>big worms everywhere, do not more from their spot
>giant fucking cragspider with demon's souls FX out of place as fuck

woah it's garbage
Quelaag and Ash Lake was the best part of that area, the piles of Basilisks were great. First venture in Ash Lake is like the only time I got disoriented and spooked in the entire game.
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>>170778412
Forlorn armor has pretty damn good physical defenses. But in general you're better off going light and staying under 50% for the extra roll distance.

I've always been partial to Tower Shield since it's both light and has good stability. Dragonrider's has better elemental defenses but is less stable (on paper it looks like 3% but in effect it costs almost 14% more stamina to block). For medium shields, Defender's is one of the best in the game.
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>>170779031
I'm sorry, I just got a summon literally the second I submitted the comment after 40 minutes of no signs. We got him. Thank you though.
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>>170779280
no problem
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Does anyone know if Fire Clutch ring boosts damage from fire arrows?
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>>170779520
>>170779520
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>>170779443
I'm pretty sure clutch rings increase their respective damage from any and all sources.
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>>170779561
>18 posts early
>[Embed] [Embed]
For what fucking reason.
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>>170779147
The real out of place thing is that there's no Crabbutt Waifu.
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>>170778293
It's Jumanji
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>>170778293
I discovered the creepy-ass singing in the Painted World way back in the days of DkS1. Nobody believed me until someone made a youtube video something like a full year later and cited it as new. If only I had been an eceleb.
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>>170776214
blue flame when
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>>170778293
>>170780160
In this thread you must wait, until your post reads 5 or 8.
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>>170780667
>creepy-ass singing in the Painted World
Source? Post the video or something man. I've got like 2000 hours in DS1 and never heard of this shit.
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>>170780952
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0-0Ffo95w
The painted world was pretty damn unnerving.
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>>170780952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0-0Ffo95w

Here's a shit youtube video because I never figured out how to upload audio files to 4chan posts. I have a clean version because I have ALL the ripped sound files from the game.
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>>170780667
>>170780952
>>170780952
>>170781034
>>170781081
To this day I still wonder what the fuck it could possibly be. The youtube shills never even tried to fabricate an explanation because they don't play the game, just regurgitate reddit shit.
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>>170781034
>>170781081
Fucking hell. I thought I knew everything there was to know about DS1. That's crazy dude.
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>>170779203
wow look a gold medalist in the retard olympics for mental gymnastics

>>170779147
I dunno I just wasn't expecting crustaceans in an underground lake heated by lava. Maybe if they were more demonic-looking like the sand worm.
I guess it's better than showing up inside the painted world.

These crabs are fucking top tier apex predators, capable of surviving in all environments. That or some dev wants to keep fucking recycling them for God knows what reason.
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>>170781273
>he doesn't know about the secret third boss in AoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEdj9jHPMg
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>>170764116
Anyone? I really want to get these for reference. I have the 2.0 version of DaS2, but I don't have the one for DaS1/3.
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>>170781420
>the crabs can climb the tree to get to you
>the crabs can T E L E P O R T up the tree to get to you
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