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>FAQ and What to Play

FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34

What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

>Individual Game Pastas

http://pastebin.com/nXBycdgR

>Roguelike News:

Oook.cz competition: Oangband shadow-fairy rouge:
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=202

The latest official /rlg/ PCB combo of the week is: Demigod (anything) Duelist. You can use PCB-R.

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account

User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Old Thread:
>>170439069
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1st for me!
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>>170703901
>that image
Yes, I approve.
The world needs more pink smoochy dragons.
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>>170704334
Good job!
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>>170704334
grat
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>>170704334
gz
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>>170704334

A round of applause for doing your best today!
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>Splatting in the abyss despite coming there prepared because the vault was a particularly hard one and you teled late

Fuck.
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RIP haste and free sif channeling

just posting old local screenshots to kickstart the thread
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how about some other games too
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>>170705272
are you talking about the DCSS screenshots?
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>>170705348
feel free to post your own man, I'm just trying to contribute
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Someone post the Naga^Chei walking into trio blasts, shits always funny
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>>170705420
I have this

heading off to bed, good luck and don't commit akrasia
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>>170705627
Ah yes, the infamous giant club of reaching
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>MuMo should let you keep wearing the starting robe until level 5
Y/Y
Dying hundreds of times to D:1 jackal packs is a dumb mechanic and adds nothing to the challenge
pillardancing a single hobgoblin for 300 turns to regain 10 HP is a dumb mechanic and adds nothing to the challenge
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>>170706032

No. I just tried MuMo today and I could streak 5 of them to level 10. It's just a case of being unskilled.
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>>170706032
Is this you?
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>>170706642
Yeah and my dad works at nintendo

>>170706801
It's a reasonable tradeoff
I'm gonna do it anyway
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>>170691676

you still get all the debuffs though
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>>170705160
we really could use a diminishing return or an higher cooldown on that corrosion thing.
it already is extremely dangerous when you have 2-3 stacks
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>>170705160
ENTROPY
FUCKING
WEAVERS
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>>170707936
>>170707963
Just get rCorr lmao
t. devs
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On demigod ninja, which one do you think is better mut: Evasion or One With Magic?
Evasion might help with flimsy hp, but One With Magic would allow me to upkeep Bunshin and Passwall on those annoying monsters that dispel/antimagic my shit. Seems to be roughly 1/2 chance.
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>>170706865

Not him but I can do that MuMo streak but only up to XL5.
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>>170709359
Fuck it, demonic grasp is go.
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>>170705250
we warned you about ettins bro
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>still no new stable
Are they even working on it? It seems all they do is talk.
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>DCSS still doesn't have a "nonliving" race
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>>170711861

Is there actually a living being that plays crawl? Yeah that's right. I didn't think so.
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>>170711432
don't worry anon, they're removing more (((bloat))) right as we speak
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I actually feel that the new corrosion effect was one of the few good calls from the crawl devs.

But fuck weavers and the apparent uselessness of rCorr when you actually have it against them.
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>>170712913
I don't know man, Coolcthulhu just seems to be adding more.
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>>170712914

Why are you complaining about freexp again? By the time you can encounter them, you already have sooooooooo many options and exp that they should barely do anything to you.
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>>170711861
What about Gargoyles?
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Are there really people that still play mumo?
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>>170713376
Why are you complaining?
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>>170715575
Not really.
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>>170715575
they buffed mummi and ruined the appeal
no point now
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Does light armor training in tome4 also mean helmets/gloves/boots? or just the torso piece
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>>170716218
>playing anything but .15
that's breaking the rules. Might as well wear a buckler and go around prancing in your sissy +4 leather armor of RF.
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>>170716391
but i cant play as froggles in that version pretty sure. the new best race
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>You should be able to use scrolls of recharging to improve +(x) rings
Y/Y/Too nethackish
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>>170716307
You're free to wear gauntlets / helmets / metal boots with LAT, yeah.
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>>170718016
Thanks friend, guess I'll put one point into it for now
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>>170703901
Any roguelikes where I can seduce a dragon and potentially mate with it?
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>>170720080
>tfw no h-roguelike with monstergirls with procedurally generated personality and body stats, and interactive procedurally generated sex
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>>170721169
I'd play the shit out of that
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>>170716307
ToME4 armor (Massive, light and heavy) refers ONLY to torso.
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>>170721346
You still need the first level of armor training to wear metal helms, gauntlets and boots.
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>>170721169
>procedurally generated sex

That phrase is really intriguing to me
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>>170721169
>monstergirls
Ya blew it
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>>170703901
really needs a filename
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autisminthedunes where you @
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>>170721169

you can try noxico
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>run into grgglck the devouring darkness on my way to the bottom of lake nur
>figure out too late that he's invulnerable to everything and you need to kill his tentacles
rip
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>>170725183
NOT
A
ROGUELIKE
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>>170725387
Yeah? Well I'm posting about it anyway
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>>170725387
But it's a roguelike.
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>>170725183
Unless you had some good antimagic gloves the thing at the bottom probably would've killed you anyway. Lake Nur is tough for meleedudes at that level.
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>>170725883
Not really, he's playing brawler who utterly shit on it.
A lot of hits to break bone shield.
No sustains to feed off.

The ones that cry blood are reavers and defilers.
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>>170726067
Defilers, sure. Reavers do fine against weirdling if you've put some points in blood lock to keep its heals under control. Reaver is probably the only melee class I feel comfortable doing Nur before lvl 20. Maybe cursed but I haven't run one in a while.
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>>170725183

wrong general faggot
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>>170723690

Speak, mortal.
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>>170726948
what's the furthest you got in the past week and how many reaching club deaths did you have
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>>170725183
If it's the same thing as the boss in the dwarf area, it's not technically invulnerable, but it does ignore all hits below 500 damage.
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>>170723418
What else are you going to fuck for enemy variety fag, regular monsters?
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>>170709359
you don't need to keep passwall up while fighting
if it gets dispelled you stay inside the wall but take a tiny amount of damage per turn
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It's another "Energy randomization lets a berserking enemy catch up to you while hasted and kill you" episode.
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>>170726998
Level 17.
Died to zerked tarantella in spider.
It was painful to have 8 blinks but not being able to use even one.

Four reaching clubs.
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>>170721169
>procedurally generated personality
If I wanted to or was able to deal with a girl's personality I wouldn't need to play an h-roguelike.

>body stats, and interactive procedurally generated sex
Sounds like modded DF.
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why is there not a DCSS general aleady
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>>170725883
i had level 5 combo kick ready
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>>170727518
DCSS belongs in /rlg/ because of felids and mummies but you try telling those autismos to leave
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>>170727518
This general moves slow enough as it is, /po/ is more active than us
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can you guys stop posting about tome? I don't consider it a roguelike
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PosChengBand is not a roguelike.
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Can you guys stop making posts? I don't like this general surviving.
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technically rogue isn't a roguelike since it's the original
does that mean we can't post about rogue here?
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Just for the record, playing MuMo is my version of drinking heavily
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>>170727262
Fag regular monsters aren't that bad.
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>PosChengBloat

I only play real roguelikes.
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>>170727642
*/lite/
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>>170728138
We need to purge all generals from this board.
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DEMON UPDATE WHEN HUURY UP FERRET
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>Use Doomquest II to get through 2 acquirement scrolls early on

Well, I guess that's ok for now.
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>>170730535
welp....
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12502441/r

alright anons its time to get your xylophone on
we are gonna be a fuckin skeleton bard
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>>170727262
Of course, then you'd have actual variety and not be a pleb.
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>>170730929
bard is way more fun than all of these except maybe skillmaster.
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>>170703901
I want a dragon bf that carries me through the dungeon!
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>>170731414
Bard has the appearance of being more fun, but trust me, it's not
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>sing around sleepy monsters
>Stop, you brute!

These messages can be really really silly.
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>>170721169
>>170723418
Did some @non say monster girl?
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there's a lotta dudes in this room
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>>170733461
What a filthy harlot
can't even bother to wear a tailsock like a decent naga being
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probably the weirdest detection spell in the game
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>>170733785
You say that like naga barding is a common thing in the dungeon, let alone tailsocks.
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>>170733785
all proper sneks need a eyepatch
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Stop dungeon crawling
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>>170735008
you talk like it isn't
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Decent sell price at least.
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>>170735829
>implying I am dungeon crawling
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>>170735829
Joke's on you, I'm actually getting drunk and grinding tailoring.
Need to make it to level five to repair my pantsu.
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>>170736279
are you already dead?
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>>170735829
Stop using shields.
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who else /shield in righthand main-gauge in lefthand masterrace/
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>>170734882
It's one of those what were they thinking spells.

Why, yes, I definitely want to stand there and press s a bunch of times until my spell finally detects monsters. And items. And maps the area.
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>>170738352
i mean it does so constantly so the idea is you just walk around with it active while constantly mapping and detecting everything

but the problem is that you can only sing 1 song at a time so you have to interrupt it if you want to actually use your class's magic to fight anything
plus it costs mana so you don't really want to just leave it on forever
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>The Hoard

Man, I think I could farm it forever.
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>>170738551
The summons will eventually stop giving you cash.
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>D:2 quickdragon scales on a MiBe

fuck yeah

>I'm also drunk will probably fault quickly

fuck nooooooooo
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>>170738551
>forever
you can't, the summons eventually stop dropping gold
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>>170738654
>>170738631
I see.
Oh well.
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>>170738641
** quicksilver dragon scales

THAT is how drunk i am

fuck
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Lets talk PCB dragons.

Red / White / Blue + Attack is pretty good
Steel is derp

Any other interesting combos? What do the other schools play like?
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>>170739290
gold dragon of breath realm is apparently pretty good
domination is a realm that seems potentially interesting but is so shit earlygame that nobody gets far enough for it to actually become good
/rlg/ likes armor realm a lot
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>>170737224
Sure.
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>>170738631
>>170738654
specifically, you stop getting drops after killing 100 summons from one unique or one race of Quylthulg, or 250 from any other race of summoner

and all summoners from the same race share the killcount, so if you farm one draconic quylthulg for 100 kills you won't drops from any other draconic quylthulg's summons in the future
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> Playing DCSS
> See horde of 20 goblins
> Activate berserk rage and charge into them
> Gets killed because being exhausted sucks

Why does the Berserker Class suck so much?
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>>170740379
>play badly
>die
waow
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>>170740157
Gay.
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>>170740157
>pr_ptr->d_char == 'Q'
Oh
my
fuck
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>>170740609
Doesn't change the point that if I had AOE spells I would have killed all the weak goblins. Being exhausted and tired always sucks
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>>170740913
the magic classes wouldn't have aoe spells or enough mana to manage that many goblins early on anyways

you didnt die because your class is bad you died because youre a badplayer with tabbitis
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Wew this place is dead. I remember coming here a few years ago and it was lively. Guess /lite/ was the final nail in the coffin
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>>170703901
>come across any dragon in any setting
i roll to seduce
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>>170741092
rlg never posted about /lite/ shit, newfag
we used to just point people to /v/ or /indie/
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>>170741327
Your hostile, too narrowly inclusive attitude is what killed this place.
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>>170741472
>13. Why are you such elitist faggots?
>
>Fuck off, /v/.
- the same FAQ pastebin we've had for one billion years
so fuck off /v/
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Making more naming conventions for artifacts was a good idea.
Too bad about the speed.

>>170740856
Welcome to *band code.
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>>170741092
/rlg/ lives in bursts: we need FotMs, otherwise /rlg/ degenerates into shitty memes and DCSS general (not saying DCSS is bad, but it's a pulped zhorse corpse).
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>>170741606
>getting this mad
Its really not an attitude that fosters life, I'n sorry for your autism
>>170741974
See this is civil behavior
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>>170740856
whats wrong with it
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>>170741974
actually the problem is that rlg hates dcss now so instead of devolving into dcssg when there are no fotms it just devolves into dedthread
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>>170742478
>now
how fucking new are you
kys yourself fag
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>>170740856
you think that's bad
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>>170742573
well before rlg played dcss while shitposting about devil's team
now rlg just doesn't play dcss
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>>170742657
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>>170742657
This is a proof that no benevolent god exists.

>>170742423
Defining behavior through the display symbol is a shortsighted hack that would come to bite you in the ass in any software that actually changes in time and doesn't stay a static, conservative, unevolved mess it started out as.
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>>170744116
Oh Bethesda.
You always end up surprising me.
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>>170741175
I cast Color
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>>170744834
Angband-variant codes usually have extremely hacky and convoluted code.
I have jumped around and I don't want to deal with the timed buff-code for example, since it is so humongously fucky.
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>>170741974
>but it's a pulped zhorse corpse.
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>>170741175
>>170745209
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the bard's hiding tune is a pretty strong buff to stealth...
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>>170745702
It being incest makes it even better.
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Please don't kill the dragons
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>liking dragons
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>>170746045
What's wrong with liking dragons?
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>>170746045
>liking anime
>not liking dragons
well aren't you the wrongest person on earth
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Finally, after 10 reforges, I got it.
And it is pretty shit, but can't really complain here.
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>>170745871
But isn't that dragon also a pony?

A drapony?

A dragony?

A pogon?

A pragon?
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>>170746238
it means that you can wield Sting or other light-giving arts, too
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>>170746305
That's clearly a dragon anonymous
I don't understand what you're talking about
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>>170746473
It's just that the color of that dragon's mane, it reminds me of ponies.
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>>170746591
Oh please anon, you see ponies everywhere nowadays.
You gotta take your medicine.
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>>170746591
Probably comes anime, same autism, different hemisphere.
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>>170746305
>a Pogrom
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>>170746305
My Big Dragon: It's Magic, I Ain't Gotta Explain Shit
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>>170746707
Mh, well, alright, I'll trust you for now.
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>>170746045
>not liking dragons
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Well I prefer drakes.
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I love dragons!

I love killing them and feeling like a true demigod!

I love wearing their skin as armor!
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>>170747061
>Dragoness
>dragon ass

>>170746926
>>170747189

please don't pogrom the dragons
or the ponies
or the hybrids
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>when these two weapons do the same damage on your character

duelist was a mistake
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>>170747429
>>dragon ass
das rite

thats a very violently pink and floofy hippogriff
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>>170747429
Hippogriffs were a mistake

They're disgusting
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>>170745702
Which Mongolian glass etching is this?
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>>170747638
They were [removed], weren't they?
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I've just blessgenocided Ds, debate me.
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>>170748017
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>>170747674
All I know is the author's alias, Sanzo.
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>>170748017
Did you at least get a dragon to genocide with you beforehand?
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>>170747574
you get a huge bonus to-dam for using low-weight weapons, is why
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>>170748154
Isn't that the guy from drakengard

Man I wish I had a good PC so I could emulate it

Or a PS2 and the game atleast
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>>170748154
no but I polymorphed into one before
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>>170748334
>>Isn't that the guy from drakengard
Yes.
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>>170746117
they are cruel to local wildlife and do not live according to Vegan principles
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>>170748361
you wouldnt marry a dragon
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>>170748517
That's right, it would be too cruel to one since we have such a short life.
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>>170748503
but that's an anime
not a dragon

>>170748613
But that's the purest form of love
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>>170748613
>not questing with your dragon waifu all over the world to discover the secret to immortality
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>>170748503
That crab was weak, it deserved to be eaten

It's nature
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>>170748517
I'd rather make a dragon choose between a pact or death.
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>>170748717
that's definitely a dragon anon
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>>170749202
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>>170749202
>musume bullshit
Alright now I'm mad
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Which roguelikes let me be a non-vegan and eat rotting carcass, unhealthy and toxin-filled organs, kill innocents without remorse, perform mental gymnastics to justify the horrible acts, then die a premature death that could be easily avoided?
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>>170749740
all the good ones
in poschengband you can't actually eat corpses unless you're a jelly though, everyone else just uses rations (which definitely have meat in them)
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>>170749740
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Why you guys talking about dragons and not roguelikes?
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>>170750329
all roguelikes have dragons
thus dragons are roguelikes
thus Socrates is a train.
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>>170750498
How would you design a roguelike based on Bill & Ted?
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>>170750498
>all roguelikes have dragons
this isn't true desu
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>all this pony dragon bullshit
Look, there are actual roguelikes where you can play magical ponies. You have no excuse for being this far off topic.
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>>170750643
name one (1) REAL roguelike that doesnt dragons
(cdda is not a real roguelike)
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>>170750627
as soon as possible
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>>170750652
>two (2) dragon-ponies are posted in the thread
>100 dragon posts
>waaah stop doing thing
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>>170750652
beats tumposting, I guess
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>>170750498
i want a roguelike that focuses on dragons
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Truly, /rlg/'s been taken over by the furries.

>>170750927
Drake chasm or something like that
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>>170750990
Chasm Drake.
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>>170749740
Cataclysm:DDA maybe. Killing innocents is an actual mechanic. It makes you cripplingly depressed for a few days, unless you take the trait that makes you remorseless. There's also a lot of toxic, rotting meat around.

Still, it's like >>170749879 said. If a roguelike has a food clock, you are entitled to corpse eating mechanics. If it doesn't have a food clock, it had better have a good explanation ready for how it's even a roguelike.
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>>170751230
having to eat food is tedious desu
why don't you also have to stop and go to the bathroom?
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>>170750990
its kinda shallow
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>>170750707
Trick question
There are no real roguelikes since all roguelikes (including cdda) are modal.
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>>170749740
That's not a human

That's one of the monsters from baldur's gate!
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>>170750819
Seriously the horse cartoon isn't even that good. You need to get over it.
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>>170751586
Bro, I think you're the one that needs to get over this irrational hate for something that's seven years old and has its own 4chan board at this point
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>>170751579
Hence the quotes.
It is obvious to anyone who played D&D that carrion crawlers aren't human because humans don't eat meat.
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>>170751230
>>170751320
Foodclock is annoying and boring. If you balance the game accordingly, you don't need a foodclock to keep the player going forward
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>>170751697
Just because something has a 4chan board doesn't mean it is good or even to be tolerated.
See: /pol/, /soc/, /u/.
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>>170751859
I don't mean that
I mean that hating horse is a meme
it's an ancient meme at that
it has no sense
it carries no meaning
it just exists
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>>170751842
Real roguelikes necessarily have to be annoying and boring:
>turn-based
>grids
>permadeath
>food clock
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>>170751859
Tell me one thing, ONE THING that's wrong with /u/
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>>170751983
That sounds like a slippery slope into the arms of our ancient enemy: furries.
Yiff in hell.

>>170752045
Girls should not love girls. Girls can't love back.
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>>170751586
>You need to get over it.
Why do you care so much about telling me what to do, anon
Do you want to talk about this

>>170752045
He's a madman
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>>170751514
>berlinshit
i wish that wall was never taken down
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>>170749740
Ghoul in infra arcana hits two out of four, don't forget to get the maggot claw upgrade
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>>170752175
>berlin is bad
>offers no alternative other than muh feels "I do kinda not feel kinda like it is kinda like rogue"
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>>170752154
>our ancient enemy: furries.
What are you, some kind of elder /b/tard
hating furries was a thing 12 years ago
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>>170751859
/u/ is good though
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>>170752016
So if one makes a game which adheres to all the principles of a good roguelike game, but doesn't include a foodclock, it's not a roguelike?
You want to tell me Forays into Norrendrin is not a roguelike?
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>>170751697
>at this point
Are you seriously telling me you don't know the history of /mlp/? How is that even possible?

Look, I'm not even telling you to stop shitposting about ponies, just to take some token effort to make it about roguelikes at the same time.
Play some Noxico and post screenshots of your massive maredick!
Talk about your quest to find that one statue in ADOM!
It's not like you don't have options besides "post that same dragon pick for the fiftieth time".
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>>170752323
>hey waiter this soup has human feces in it
>well fuck you bud, unless you show me a better bowl of soup you best finish eating it
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>>170752175
we should've nuked germany too
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>>170752404
It is as much of a roguelike as ToME, DCSS, CDDA or Elona.
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>>170752594
hey cdda actually has a moderately-meaningful hunger clock in the earlygame
none of the other 3 do though
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>>170752594
>it's a roguelike
>lists a bunch of roguelites
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>>170752441
>Play some Noxico and post screenshots of your massive maredick!
Not gonna lie, that might be interesting if noxico was a good game.
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>>170752478
More like
>hey waiter, there is a fly in this soup
>oh yes there is - you wanted a fly soup after all
>fuck this shit. I'm a better cook than your cook. let me cook up a shit soup to show you how it's done
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>>170752594
Well, Elona isn't balanced around Permadeath, would you still count it?
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>>170752836
>good game
>/rlg/
Are you sure you're in the right thread?
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>>170751859
That's right.

Remember to report all anime posts.
We must purge this cancer.
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>>170753016
>>170752770
>>170752154
>>170752016

Go to another board (or to /dfg/) to trigger people xou mighty faggots
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>>170752717
CDDA has bones and so no true permadeath.
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I blame Amy
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>losers hating other losers and derailing the thread
hmmmmm
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>>170753310
>loser coming to thread to complain about losers
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>>170753310
If only some enlightened individual would post some roguelikes.
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>loser losing losers
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>not losing you
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What is the Orb of Zot and why does anyone actually want it?
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Tried a Death Sword in PCBR

Still shit
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>>170753310
I intentionally "derailed" the thread because it turned into furfag bullshit
I am a trickster, an assasin-jester, a mischievous imp, but a benevolent one - a warrior of purity. I am the night.
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>>170753184
>xou
Is that some new tumblr pronoun? I didn't know they did second-person.
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>>170753530
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>>170753931
sry i'm a bit of a newfem isn't that what you do here /B/ro ;D
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>>170753931
It's a 2nd person pronoun that comes from german, but is actually used by slavs who fucked up their keyboard layout.
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I love all of you.
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>>170753740
the orb is a powerful magical artifact that @ intends to use to destroy the world

this is why all the denizens of the dungeon unite to fight against you, even natural enemies like orkz and elvs or demons and angels
this is also why at 2,000,000,000 turns you get
>Outside, the world ends.
>Sorry, but your quest for the Orb is now rather pointless.
>You quit...
because of course your whole goal was to use the orb to bring about the end of the world, so if it already ended there's no point in going after the orb still

if you meet Donald while carrying the orb he has a few unique lines including:
>Don't you think the Orb of Power was down there for a reason?
>I heard that the world ends if you bring it to the surface.
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>>170754678
You know what I don't love?

How long the DDA devteams take to release a new stable
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>>170754958
>Who do you think you are, War?
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>>170754979
I told (a ~weeks ago) you it's ~2 months optimistic projection, you sextuple nigger
The dev"""team""" is mostly made of one person actually fixing the bugs and one person merging the fixes.
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>>170755358
BUT I WANT IT NOW
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>>170755452
Then play the experimental?
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Haven't played DCSS in a while. With Haste being pruned, has there been anymore 'fun' changes since then?
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Finally got my first win
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>>170755452
Play the experimementals.
They are stable enough.

Or get into the development and actually PR fixes for shit.
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>>170755552
>>170755575
BUT I WANT THE NEW STABLE
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>>170714604
gargoyles can quaff and mutate, they're pretty alive. We need a golem race. But the problem with a golem race is that they'd get all the perks of the undead without holy susceptibility. So they'd be a straight upgrade from mummy.
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>>170755569
congrats anon!
i'm proud of you~
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>>170755625
Then go on the github and make cash bounties for fixing the blocker issues. That will make it go sanic.
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>>170717757
should be able to use generic scrolls of branding to brand weapons or brand armour or brand non-magical rings.
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>>170755665
gargoyles are nonliving enough that yredelemnul hates them
unless that was removed for being flavorbloat
but yeah they don't really behave much like nonliving constructs mechanics-wise
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>>170755665
>smite
>smite
>move 1 space in 1000 turns because golem
>smite
>you die...
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>>170754678
Are you okay?
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>>170755665
>150% physical damage taken
ez
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>>170755903
His legs sure aren't OK
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>>170756152
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>just watched a NaCK die on the orbrun in D:4
That was painful.
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>>170755665
Golems would need low intelligence, as they are slave labor to jews.
Could probably have food clock around eating human-like creatures of male gender. After all, jewish magic is powered by foreskins, as the foreskin is the seat of the soul.
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>>170754958
I like that one dude's theory about each aut being the length of a few hours or days, and each creature you see on screen is actually a large group of those creatures, and each "item" is actually a large collection of that type of item for all of your squad members to use. Resting for a few hundred turns is akin to resting for weeks and actually healing up battle wounds
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>>170755735
Thanks anon. It only took 5 years of on and off playing
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>>170756629
But then, what are artifacts?
Each artifact would need to be a whole armory of identical MegaSwords of Merlin or something.
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Are there any RLs /rlg/ would recommend that have a contemporary urban fantasy setting?
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>>170756828
touche
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>>170756797
>Too many cooks
Fucking really
christ that's beyond retarded
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>>170753740
The orb grant immortality. All of the named uniques in the dungeon have used it to become immortal, but have tricked the other denizens into thinking it is an ancient artefact of destruction that must be protected from outsiders at all costs. You and your dragonfu have fallen in love, but know that you have only a short mortal life ahead of you. Together you have found ancient texts suggesting the orb is a granter of immortality.

So, you go into the dungeon to become immortal in order to harass /rlg/ with your beastiality fetishes for eternity.
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>>170757428
the name or the stats?
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>>170757485
The name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
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>>170753843
> I was only pretending to be retarded

>>170754202
xou comes from du?
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>>170733264
wut gaem
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>>170757690
I wasn't ever acting retarded, I removed the furfaggotry by outsmarting petty furfags such as yourself.

"xou" is "you" with 'x' instead of 'y' - some keyboard layouts have z, x and y shuffled.
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>>170757035
Cataclysm DDA

Ok no, I can't think of any roguelikes with a setting like that.
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>>170756828
artefacts are people in your ranks that become famous. If it's a good artefact, a +5 whip {elec, dex+4}, then it's a heroic figure that inspires your troops, like if David from David and Goliath was on your side, if it's a bad cursed artefact, like -3 dagger {protection, -Tele}, then it's like the son of one of your head generals defected and gave secrets to the enemy, damaging your troops' morale and putting you at a disadvantage.

Regular non-artefact items on the ground are like progresses in technology; reading scrolls of enchant is like fine-tuning the fabrication process.
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>>170757652
>500 year old proverb is actually an adult swim reference
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>>170757927
What is the german part?
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mods plz rangeban every IP ever
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I really should reforge me better rings.
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>>170758436
Yeah, that's why I didn't think much of the name.
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>>170758592
German layout is one of the layouts that has fucked up xyz.
Some older slav layouts have inherited that fuckup.
Pressing shift+ctrl swaps keyboard layout.
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>>170758717
>wearing a ring just for rDisench
wow you must have a really shitty selection

not even a ring of speed +2 from zul or something?
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Is there any reason not to spend your first category point on Artifice as new-rogue (ToME4)? Rogue's Brew alone is comparable to an infusion... Liking it and new-archer a lot though, lots of neat tricks to invest in.
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>too many cocks
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>>170759287
>too many cocks spoil the coitus
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>>170759521
objectively false, sorry
more cocks is more betterer
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>>170759597
for (Xou)
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>>170754958
is this legit? If yes I don't want to know anymore
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>>170759724
Yom finds this amusing
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>>170759919
how would it not be legit?
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>>170759182
new-rogue was actually an addon.

But probably not.
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>>170758863
it is such a pain in the ass to play roguelikes with german keyboards if you use the vi keys to move. Usually I just use Autohotkey to swap them out.
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>>170759973
PLEASE TELL ME THE GAME IS NOT ABOUT DESTROYING THE WORLD
>would make me feel a bit better about dying all the time though
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>>170758863
oh, I see
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>>170760178
>PLEASE TELL ME THE GAME IS NOT ABOUT DESTROYING THE WORLD

You're destroying a literal utopia from the foundations. Sheep and Wolves literally (physically) team up against you and live in peace and harmony. You consume the raw flesh of your enemies, mostly sentient beings and even your own kin you personally murder without a second thought.

You were the monster all along.
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>>170760770
Don't forget about all the orb guardians, orbs of fire, ancient liches, dragons, draconians, death cobs for cutie, etc. that are protecting the orb from falling into the wrong hands.
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>>170760770
>you're so evil that even pandemonium lords join the angels in an attempt to destroy you
>so evil that even the devils take away your haste, ctele and mountain dwarves in an attempt to stop you
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>>170761058
or the fact that the dungeon is actually the corpse of the wizard of zot (or was it just Z:5)
Or the fact that all the good gods except ely because reasons aren't "good" considering you gain piety by killing people and are cool with you slaughtering thousands and feasting on their carcasses except zin who doesn't like you eating sapient corpses
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I'm also partial to the theory of "a turn lasts several days" considering just how fast a corpse rots and how quickly the bones decompose, but the whole "you're an army" thing is just silly
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>>170758874
Got myself a better one, now.
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>>170761592
It took several weeks to fight this goblin while staring at him face to face, but I finally did it!

Your theory is dumb
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>>170762956
>one tile is as big as a rat
>one tile is as big as a dire elephant

One might say that the dungeon might be bigger than you think it is

But hey I've still got to hear how I miraculously heal my own wounds just by licking them for a couple minutes or how the corpses rot so fast
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>>170758328
upvote
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>>170763105
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>>170763105
Maybe the dungeon is filled with so much magic that thing work differently.
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>>170763105
Magic.
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If it takes you 1 turn to eat a fruit (let's say a turn is about a minute) that means that the world is either going to die in 200 million minuets, which is... 55 thousand days which is around 150 years.
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>>170763797
Who's to say that the world isn't ending outside? :^) also it takes you a week to eat that fruit get it right nerd
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>>170763797
does it take you 5 minutes to put on a hat
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>>170764109
Does it take you 5 minutes to put a complete set of plate armor
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>>170764161
it's not a complete set though since it doesnt include the gloves or boots
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How long is the blink process? 5 minutes? Must be painful.
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>>170764675
IT'S A WEEK
REEEEE
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more like suck my zongulcock
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>>170760178
>pick up the orb
>demons appear out of nowhere, in numbers great enough that they have a nonzero chance of killing adventurers that made it all the way to the orb
Gee, I sure wonder what will happen once you carry that thing to the surface.

Anyway, you can unlock the good ending by taking Crazy Yiuf with you when you leave. Just lure him to D:1 and have him stand next to you when you ascend.
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>>170764675
Well, you're teleporting an army several kilometers. It's gonna have some casting time.

How do you explain the grid only allowing one creature per tile?
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>>170764675
Nah it's just like being stuck in the transporter buffer in star trek.
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>>170754958
>>170765002
Now I wonder: do any uniques aside from Uncle Yiff and Donald have special lines for when you're carrying the Orb?
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time is clearly exponential

Let's say anything less than 1 turn/10 auts occurs fairly quickly, in seconds. Between 10 and say 100 auts, things happen in minutes. Between 100 and 1000 auts, things happen in hours. For actions that take at least 100 turns (1000 auts), we can think of them as taking days to complete, and the process goes on.

The reasoning is that life can be considered somewhat exponentially in time. Life seems like a series of short actions, but time piles on very quickly.

Also:

It's a bit silly to bring up the time it takes to put on a piece of armor. I mean, you can carry 52 types of equipment, stacking many of them into a single slot. It's not too bizarre to think that:
1) You'd figure out some magical/speedy way to put on body armor in a matter of minutes, and
2) It'd take you a while to put on something as simple as a hat, given how weird your inventory must be. Remember that you have to put equipment in your inventory before you're able to use it in Crawl.
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OR MAYBE TIME AND GRID TILES ARE A NECESSARY ABSTRACTION FOR A ROGUELIKE THAT NOBODY THOUGHT THAT DEEPLY ABOUT AND IT'S TOTALLY POINTLESS TO TRY AND FIND CONSISTENCY IN IT

YOU FUCKING AUTISTS
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>>170766164
if the limiting factor was rmmmaging around in your inventory then putting on a hat wouldn't be any slower than searching for a specific wand to zap or potion to evaporate
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>>170766336
nah that ain't it
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>>170766336
are you trying to tell me that the the "Arbitrary Unit of Time" is, in fact, totally arbitrary?
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>>170766336
>AUTists
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>>170766336
That's insane.
You're insane.
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>>170766601
What's insane is that Coolthulu made a mod for Cataclysm and nobody has noticed yet.
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>>170766336
What a fucking retard.
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>>170766737
Whaaaaat?
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>>170766737
Because it doesn't do anything.
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What's the maximum range on an RC car?
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>>170766848
pic
>>170767154
Really?
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>>170767218
Well that depends on how you define the size of a grid.
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>>170766519
>the the
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>>170766336
Take your tinfoil hat theories out of here.
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>>170746926
>REMOV REPTIL
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>>170766336
Except DCSS is not a roguelike and so it doesn't need those abstractions.
Checkmate felids
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>>170767257
Currently it adds:
>minor craftable laser gun
>easier UPS charger crafting
>crafting molotovs, bandages and torches with vodka
Not much because any work that goes into mod doesn't go into stable.
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>>170767338
i no english good :(
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>>170767709
Slavs, slavs everywhere
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>>170767797
>slav
my heart is pledged to anime, not to communism
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>>170767948
>slavs
>communism
Hello Grandpa!
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>>170767948
Slavs are depressed, substance-abusing losers longing for a cute gf while having only whores nearby.
So are weebs.
Coincidence?
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>>170767289
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as a grid, is in fact, an unit of space, or as I've recently taken to calling it, arbitrary unit of space. Grid is not a piece of ground unto itself, but rather potentiality of actions of a fully equipped adventurer made real by the implementation of units of time, enemies and means of attack comprising a full crawl experience as defined by the devs.
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>>170768108
Eat shit.
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>>170768421
I'm not an anime-loving slav tho :^)
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kill all weebs

which roguelike allows me to genocide weebs?
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>>170767289
>>170768212
Thanks guys that was really helpful.
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>>170768212
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>>170768516
C:DDA starts with them pre-genocided. Just kill every NPC you come across to make doubly certain.
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>>170768826
Weebs would be among the most likely to survive the zombie apocalypse:
>stores of junk food
>katana replicas
>katana replica training
>used to being alone
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>>170768826
But you can be a weeb yourself.
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>>170769127
Suicide is an option.

>>170769101
You can't possibly believe that.
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>>170769127
Only one way.
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>>170769430
is this real
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I do not want weebs to be genocided.
Weebs are necessary for a proper chan ecosystem.
If not for weebs, their role would be taken over by furries or bronies.
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>find medieval swordsmanship manual
>find european sword
>deal ~80 to ~160 damage per hit
>spend most of your time killing zombies with "grabs"
The path of the Euroboo

>find niten-something-ryu
>find nippon sword
>deal ~120 to >250 damage per hit
>pulp everything with ease
The path of the weeaboo

It should be obvious which is superior.
I miss the days when sledgehammers had cleave, Crawl-style. Wide Swing just isn't as fun
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>>170769741
so nothing would change
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>>170769303
well in the cdda universe they'd do alright because katanas are weirdly OP

gun nuts would be way more likely to survive if it weren't for the fact that (in cdda at least) none of them seem to actually keep ammo around that matches their guns
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>>170769968
>katanas are weirdly OP
That's it. I'm sick of all this "broadsword with quick attack" bullshit that's going on in the CDDA right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in CDDA. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Cutting Weapon)
10 bash 80 cut
+4 to hit
Quick Attack, Wide Swing, Parry, Precise Strike

(Two-Handed Cutting Weapon)
15 bash 100 cut
+5 to hit
Quick Attack, Wide Swing, Parry, Precise Strike, Powerful Strike

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in CDDA, see my new stat block.
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>>170770389
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>>170769708
Yes.
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>>170770676
Do not post dog in kot only thread.
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>>170770389
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>>170770807
Alright.
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>>170769968
>Str 4 Dex 3 Int 7 Per 5
>Addiction (animu)
>Addiction (masturbating to chinese cartoons)
>Asthma
>Frail
>Near-sighted
>High thirst
>Ugly
>Shouter
>Only skills are computers:4 melee:1 cooking:1
>start with a budget steel katana and niten-ichi ryu, a trenchcoat, a fedora, a body pillow and potato chips

There's your average weeb. I don't care how OP katanas are, that dude isn't surviving day 1.
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>>170770821
But if katana so sharp and cut through it still fall on anime ??
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>>170755665

>So they'd be a straight upgrade from mummy.

What's the problem with this? Almost every species is a straight upgrade of a mummy because mummies are bad
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What if there was an EverythingBand that had pretty much everything in it; by level 100, you'd be at least strong enough to stand a chance against Farmer Maggot's dogs.
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>>170772145
>everythingband
PCB already exists. What could PCB possibly add at this point?
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>>170772360
fun
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>>170771894
but nohunger is totally a relevant and powerful racial bonus in a game with no actual hunger clock
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>>170772360
Can you fight Garfield? Bart Simpson? Shrek? etc. etc. etc.
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>>170772360
animeband has classes like mahou shoujou and power ranger
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>>170772360
arbitrary units of space
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>>170772360
tome2/furyband crafting memes

pretend i attached [sword_with_+9999999_blows.png] here
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>>170772624
Name me a roguelike without arbitrary units of space.
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>>170772875
A perfect one.
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>>170772875
that one roguelike where you're in the middle of a circle and the "grid" is non-euclidean
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>>170772875
Oh shit I'm sorry you wrote 'without' haha what a silly mistake to make!
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>>170772503
>dankband
SLEX already exists
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>>170773128
That makes them even more arbitrary!
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>>170773405
oh dang. i also misread your post the same as this guy >>170773337
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>>170773339
It should be not that, at least.
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>>170771894
Mummies used to be able to get away with really scummy behavior, which is precisely why they got all the other things stacked against them. At that time, other races were not a direct upgrade, since they had to obey the hunger clock. It was a trade of an advantage for a disadvantage, like how trolls are really hungry but have amazing melee, HP, and regen. Yin for yang. But then the out of depth clock was introduced to counter that scummy behavior, but mummies weren't correspondingly buffed in other ways, so they became shitty. Disadvantage with no real advantage. They still shined in some corner cases, like Mu of Sif could spam channeling and even firestorm/haste/haunt at 20% failrate for no cost at all. However, now even that has changed, since haste is gone and Sif channeling uses piety. So mummy is just shit. Just absolute shit. Increasing their apts like they've done recently doesn't make up for noquaff the entire game, no source of haste or healing the entire game, for starting out with shit stats rF-. They should either make hunger clock more significant, make out of depth clock spawns not happen, or remove mummy from the game.

The defining feature of mummy was no hunger clock, and making that pointless makes mummy pointless. So yeah, nowadays everything is clearly a straight upgrade from mummy; any class^god would be better done with a race other than mummy, even fucking Ne of Kiku.
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>>170773586
i'm ok with mummies being a challenge race, i wish there were more
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>>170773525
You silly guys.
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>>170771478
what
why
what
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>>170773586
>They should either make hunger clock more significant, make out of depth clock spawns not happen, or remove mummy from the game.
I'm pretty sure we all know the answer here.
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>>170773907
Got you nervous?
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>>170774095
Really activates my neurons
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/rlg/ sure is dead when slavs are asleep.
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>>170773707
I would prefer side grades, they're more interesting that straight up and downgrades. What else is fun in the game, other than figuring out clever strategies that make your character shine? Now Mu doesn't have many clever strategies; is has less than it did before. Now you play the same as another race, just much more carefully and timidly. Leading enemies 1 by 1 to an upstaircase for 5 hours is not as fun as using your clever strategy based on your strengths to demolish them.

Fun:
>reasoning out that you should dive orc 1:3 for easy XP and piety with Kiku so you can get both books from Kiku and better corpses before heading into Lair
Not possible anymore
>casting haste at 25% failrate, spamming Haunt at 20% failrate while channeling back MP from Sif, feeling smug knowing that you won't suffer the hunger ###### cost or miscast effects or piety loss or the Haunt Sickness since you're a Mummy of Sif
Not possible anymore
>exploring elf:3 with ice beasts constantly up, so that when you run into a blademaster you can swap with your ice beast, hit your ice beast to make it hostile, then lay down freezing cloud on everything, so that blademaster can't reach you past your hostile ice beast and freezes to death
Not possible anymore
>breezing through Tomb as a Mu^Kiku, super easy rune and loot bought by infinite killer snowmen
Not possible anymore
>Being MuWz^Sif and staying permaswifted, commanding your summoned imps to remotely open doors for you
Not possible anymore
Not Fun:
>play same game as everybody else just shittier
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>>170775001
I am here.
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>>170775001
I wonder if roguelikes are big in funland.
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>>170775003
>forgetting all destructive spells other than conjure ball lightning and then casting haste on your Spellforged Servitor
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>>170772585
Does that variant actually feel vaguely anime or does it just replace wyrms of power breathing disintegration with Mazinger Z doing breast fire?
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>>170771894
no one's won a mumo minotaur/troll yet
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>>170775003

Unlimited haste and bloat wands are NOT IN THE VERY LEAST interesting or even called "strategies"; they're just scummy strate-jizz and definitely deserved to be removed.

Newsif is a buff for Sif in many ways since his channeling is made less tedious, removed the scummy part and saves a lot of turncount. You get like 2500-3500 total mana for just a couple tens of uses from 6* to 4* piety at level 1X invo.
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How's the steam ADOM?
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>>170775003
obviously they'd have to be more interesting than "humans with all -4 apts" but significant downsides + a couple of novel tools to get around them is good design

mummy cheese was just as bad as oldsummons' unlimited dragon cancer and digging out the entirety of zot:5, not sad to see it go
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>>170775597
Haste is a powerful buff. If haste is bad because it's a brainless decision, then weapon upgrades are bad because they're a brainless decision. How is choosing invest skill in charms for haste, then using that for the rest of the game, different than investing skill in axes so you can use better axes for the rest of the game?
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>>170775437
i have no clue, i haven't actually played it
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>>170776202
haste is bad because it's tedious to use. devs need to get over themselves and add passive charms already
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>>170776509
They already do, they're called 'scrolls of enchant weapon and armour'
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>>170774095
>someone donated their organs for this
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>>170776509
seriously their whole problem with always-good buffs like swiftness and phaseshift was just "it's annoying that optimal behavior is to constantly recast these"
why not just do the same thing tome4 already did years before and just make them permanent-until-canceled buffs that cost a chunk of your max mp
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>>170777223
don't forget to add twenty (20) different resource bars that have marginal differences
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>>170777223

because tome is not a roguelike and should never be used as a standard for game development
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>>170777223
they could even just make them work like r/dmsl, which are fine now
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>>170777545
I'm honestly surprised at how distinct those feel. Mana and stamina are basically the same, but everything else is just different enough to not feel like a retread.
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>>170777771
>rmsl
>existing
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>>170777683
>because tome is not a roguelike
Nothing is a roguelike
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>>170777545
most classes have just 1 bar, some have 2
nobody except maybe adventurer is actually managing all of those resource bars at once

it's like how mana works differently in PCB for mage vs rune-knight vs rage-mage vs samurai
i mean technically there are a billion different mana systems but it's really just class differentiation
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>>170777867

Oh, sorry. I mean rmsl level 2.
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>>170736072
Considering how much I play Naga, I rarely see Naga barding outside of scrolls of acquirement. I've seen it just lying around the dungeon maybe one or two times out of a hundred, and I don't even recall if I've ever seen it in a shop.

Maybe that's just my high fault rate and seldom making it to the snake pit
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>>170777867
i haven't been on /rlg/ a while so my removals are out of date. they removed it? the madmen
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>>170778145
funnily enough, no, the reason why is because drops are weighted to not be of your species. Splat a few HuWn or something, and you'll probably see D:1 naga barding about 10-20% of the time.
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Anyone tried Streets of Rogue on steam?
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>>170766164
>2+2=22, 22-2=21, 2=21, boom
More like each subsequent aut takes more real time than the previous. Time seems to pile on more and more quickly because you are slowing down relative to reality.
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Things I learned from this splat: Keepers of Secrets will teleport with you and hit quite hard. Don't leave your big healing options at home because "it's just D60".
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>>170779104
D50-60 is when the silly shit starts appearing regularly though.
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>>170779104
I just make sure I'm always carrying ~5 ?teleport level
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>>170779104
pro tip: there is no monster in pcb that both follows teleports and resists teleother
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>>170779590
specifically, the only monsters that can follow your teleport are the ones that can cast teleport self but dont resist teleportation
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Will a mininuke explode if it's caught in the radius of another explosion?
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>>170781137
What could go wrong?
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>>170781137
well if cdda follows muh realism it shouldn't
but they're really fucking inconsistent about that
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>>170778485
>self-described roguelite is realtime shooter
>open-ended random violence
>random giant dudes in contemporary setting
>release date: yesterday
>says early access
>in beta for year and a half
>day 1 bugfix is called alpha20b
>"steam release" now means "early access begins"
>generous play for free offer ends in 1 day and 12 hours
>have to install steam
>free download on own website
>after signing you up for their mailing list and confirming email address, informs you that the game is now on steam
>steam widget on website does not mention early access
>adding to cart from website widget does not mention early access
no
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>>170781137
one of my turrets shot a mininuke inside a hatch and it blew up all my other nukes and vaporized me and my deathmobile
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>>170778485
has anyone here played assassin's creed rogue
or watched star wars rogue one

they are both rouge likes becaus ehtye have rouge in the name
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>>170781327
Literally everything.

>>170781952
That's exactly what I wanted to hear.
I'm sorry for your loss.
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>>170781137
No.
Chained explosions aren't a thing yet.
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>>170782743
>Chained explosions aren't a thing yet
Do you mean specifically for mininukes? Because they definitely are for at least some other explosives.
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>>170783428
Only vehicle tanks can chain-explode right now. Item explosives can't.
Unless you count fiery explosive laying fire and then said fire detonating the explosives in the next turn.
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>>170782538
Which game is it? Surely not CDDA, looks fun.
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>>170783685
???
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>>170783880
It is? Guess I'll force myself to give it a try
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>>170783685
it is cdda
note however that cdda is not actually fun, you have been misled
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>>170783568
>Unless you count fiery explosive laying fire and then said fire detonating the explosives
Yep, that's what I've experienced. I just tested it with some dynamite and a mininuke to make sure. A stick of dynamite just destroys a nearby stick without detonating it, and it damages an adjacent mininuke to about half health, also with no detonation.

>>170783685
It is CDDA, and it's nofun. My brilliant plan is ruined.
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>>170784265
DDA is great when you're unspoiled and have no idea what you're doing.
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>>170784367
yeah the first 20 hours fucking around are fun, which is more than you can say about most games really
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>>170784474
And also most recommened /rlg/ games.
So far out of the roguelikes, it's IVAN and DDA which provide more than 10 hours of fun. DCSS was also on the list long ago.

Most others are less fun than that because they are too short (Demon, Forays), too spoily (Nethack+clones), too padded with grind (ADoM) or just plain not fun (Sil).
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>>170784367
>great in the beginning
>describes all games
>describes entire gaming business
>describes all marketing
>describes drugs and
nevermind
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>>170784932
Not all of them.
Many games are like
>start
>get disgusted instantly and forever
>remove and try to forget
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>>170784932
love
sex
4chan
etc
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>>170784920
I find it unexpected that there are multiple people saying they don't like Sil. What is it about Sil that you don't like?
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>>170723671
>tg-traditional games.png
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>>170784932
>describes all games
isn't there a lot of "this jrpg starts to really get good about 50 hours in!"
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>>170785059
It lacks "it". No sense of wonder, no novelty, no "fun".
It may have well calculated numbers, it may have meaningful distinctions, but it all falls flat when it is so streamlined it lacks a soul.

It's similar to Pillars of Eternity in that it is so focused on not allowing any "bad" mechanics that it doesn't have the good ones either.
And the lack of fireballs, explosives and other such novelties makes the combat feel otaby, even though it obviously tries not to be otaby.

It's too much of a puzzle and not enough of an RPG.
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>>170785031
But they were still great while you were thinking about playing them and installing them. Hence the move to sell more of this and less of an actual game, because the whole thing is a fantasy anyway. ASCII graphics are clever, but the real money is in not developing the game at all.

I like to download installers, let them sit for a bit, and then delete them.
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>>170785554
Huh, those are pretty much the exact reasons that I like it, it feels distinct among roguelikes because it's so elegant.
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>>170785702
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>>170785554
also the magic system in it tries to stay true to tolkein fantasy, where magic was more subtle, not explosions and stuff, and I can appreciate that
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Good night /rlg/, remember to spring forward
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first for timeskip

eat it, chei
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>>170788773
Literally the concept of two cheivocations.
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>>170769708
If it is, that's a stupidly tiny explosion for a suicide bomber
didn't even hurt those guys standing five meters next to him
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Did I tell you guys the time where i found the ring of Shaolin as a MuMo
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>>170790770
No. Tell us
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>>170791459
Well I found the ring of shaolin but there was a fire drake around and I had RF, a hill giant and some orc wizards/priests guarding it (one of those empty levels)
I eventually nabbed it but I died to a smite while going upstairs

I also died with a +6 ring of evasion ( reaching ogre), the cloak of Flash (REACHING OGRE) and the boots of the assassin (vaults).
They were all horrible times.

The only time i won MuMo I had an impressive set of gear, the guantlets of the duelist, the shield of resistance, the crown of whatshisname that gives Relec and Sinv, cloak of RF, shield of RF and boots of flying.
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>>170791626
thanks for sharing
>REACHING OGRE
they don't call them giant clubs for nothing
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>>170785827

>it's so elegant

Unfun tedium is not anywhere close to elegant
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>>170791626
>only time won MuMo
>impressive gear
Did you ever lose a MuMo with impressive gear?
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>>170793140
Y-eees.
I just said that
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>>170794036
saved
i need more mumorabilia
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>>170794534
you got the pic of dicks throwing the hat of 15 runes in lava?
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>>170720080
You see the results of that in Rogue Legacy with an unlockable class.
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>>170794642
no
i have mummy fatigue and the rules tho
i also have some screenshots of silly OoD monsters on some of my attempts for my own perusal
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>>170794805
I missed the mummy fatigue by itself, thanks
To be fair the hat pic is just the message of him throwing it in lava, something like 1900x1080
it's not that big of a deal

I've got this, plus some other stuff I might dump later
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Two wounds and three artefacts just on this level. Maybe being a cat will work out this time.
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>>170795184
hey sage you got any tips for MuMo
are you the guy who can streak level 10 reliably
I'd like some timps
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>>170795184
fug
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>>170795409
I can't steak mumo reliably, but perhaps once you clear D2 and reach D3, you could sit on the downstairs in D1 and wait for new spawns until you see something spooky and leave that level for good.
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>>170785702
>I like to download installers, let them sit for a bit, and then delete them.

Is there a medical term for this?
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>>170796373
Like so.
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>>170796789
>Is there a medical term for this?
Terminal malign autism

Nice post number
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>>170772875
Incursion and *bands
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>>170796827
Oh yeah I used to do that a lot but I stopped because I usually just kept getting hydras and fire giants
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>>170766336
You can technically make a non-explicit grid roguelike.
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The best thing to do is rest upstairs when you reach D2 so you increase your turncount in D:1 to increase OOD spawns and keep D:2 safe for longer
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>>170798560
Would multi-scale grid still be roguelike-kosher?
That is, having ogres take 4x4 tiles, humans 2x2, goblins 1x1, spiders stacking up to 4 per tile and so on.
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>>170798776
From a technical standpoint, all games are gridbased, since they use coordinates as such to make a roguelike with a non-standard grid and sizes all you have to do is a normal game but after each set of defined actions a turn happens, instead of being real time.

You can also add XYZ coordinates if you really want for maximum tactical.
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>>170796789

>Is there a medical term for this?

Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup
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Best Adventurer build to tackle madness in ToME4?
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>>170800367
Bad place to ask
/rlg/ doesn't have a sizable ToME population. And even less sperg savants who are willing to slowly creep through overpowering artificial difficulty that makes up ToME difficulty above nightmare.
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>>170800735
>And even less sperg savants who are willing to slowly creep through overpowering artificial difficulty
that's very strange
we have a lot of pcb players
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>playing DsGl
>Claws by XL:5
Switched to UC pretty quick.
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How can I stop dying before depth 15 in Brogue? Should I prioritize offence or defence? How can one deal with a cursed ring of clairvoyance?
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>>170800735
ToME might be shit, but ToME on any difficulty above normal is just completely unplayable trash.
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>>170800367
Go to the forum and look em up, but mostly they're
a) Abuse magic combat+unarmed+earthen missiles
or
b) Abuse alchemist bomb
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Just need a couple str rings and I'll be swinging for 264 while berserked.
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That's got to be the most anti-climatic orc staircase I've ever seen
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Woops
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>hit level 19 on brawler in tome
>hey let's try doing that crypt now I'm pretty confident since I can silence opponents 1v1 with grapple forever at this point
>progressing through it smoothly opening coffins
>5th coffin I open has a bone giant in it
>can't grapple since 2huge
>summons like 5 skeletons instantly surrounding me
>die
ree
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Lovely.
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>>170803771
Why do acquirements keep giving me shit
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So when is PCB gonna get tiles?
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Man I'm terrible at mumo
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>>170804573
Finally something worthwhile.

brb gotta work off this erection.
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>>170807228
Worried about the electricity resistance, now.
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>>170808237
Elec breath will only hurt a little more than mana storm, it's cool.
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>>170808587
I think he's more worried about rings and rods and wands getting destroyed.
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>going through old pcb screenshots
>tfw still sad about my berserker dying
I don't even remember what killed him it's been too long
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Lovely.
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>>170810730
Yeah, that's a big concern particularly.
Getting pretty deep, just killed Atropos as dungeon floor guardian.

I wanna kill daddy Hermes, so I can swindle his stuff.
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>Try to play something that isn't the basic as fuck hitdude races like minotaur or troll
>Deal absolutely no damage before lair

How do people do it? How do they stand this?
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>>170812362
runawayfromdude
itemdude
itemself
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>>170812362
>playing anything other than hitdude dude
No reason to torture yourself
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>>170812362
^Chei
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>barely survive rats
>2hours later
>fight dragons and eldrich abominations without problem
how
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Tried tome to see how new changes changed it. Still just cycling cooldowns until a purple thing instagibs me or I pop an ability to run.

Poo. The classes in it are really cool
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what kind of shops in Crawl sell needles? Is it just weapon shops or is there something more specific?
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>>170816117
Crawl shops don't sell ammunition last I checked.
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>when one of your named orc follower dies
I wasn't prepared for this feel.
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>>170816365
use revive
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What is the mutation cap in DCSS?
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>>170816153
nah, they do. I definitely remember some listings for sleep-inducing needles and like 20-30 arrows.

>>170816117
Weapon shops or general shops. As with all shopping in Crawl, it's rare to get the type of item you really want to be listed, so keep that in mind.
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>>170816458
all of them until you hit mut block
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>>170816365
What game?
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>>170816440
He didn't leave a corpse. It hurts.
Put a curing potion on the spot he fell. Pouring one for the homies.
>>170816561
Crawl
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>>170816549
And when do you hit that? Once you get nomut3? I somehow doubt that.
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>>170814793
This element of roguelikes will always be funny to me.
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Eat shit Nodens.
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>>170811410
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>>170756797
yo what the fuck? SCARF?
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>>170817935
0ac cloaks
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>>170816458
>>170816993
As long as the mutations aren't hardcoded to not work with each other, there's no cap. With a large number of !benemuts (which are still coded in the game but don't spawn: they can be wizmoded) and allowed yourself to be malmutated, you can get as many mutations as possible.
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>>170817935
>>170818103
0AC cloaks that can't be enchanted and always come with an ego.
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>>170818443
Sounds like bloat desu.
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>>170818653
They introduced them purely for rMsl
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>>170818653
Bloatmancy when?
Bloat your enemies until they pop!
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>>170818653
Besides Amulet of the Air, scarves are the only potential source of Repel Missiles in the game.

Otherwise, they're 100% crappy. Low spawn rates and scarves of cold resistance are the most likely to spawn by far.
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>>170772360

Thaumaturgy from TOME2 would be fucking awesome to port to PCB.

>>170772585

Wouldn't mind seeing some weeaboo shit get added. I mean, more than Ninja, that is.
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>>170817935
It used to be that MiBe couldn't cast repel missiles, whereas overpowered characters like wizards could. In order to properly balance the game, scarves had to be added.
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>>170818932
Why not just make rare cloaks with those enchantments? Or even turn the rMsl cloak into an unrandart.
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>>170818996
some of pcb's ancestors were actually japanese variants
they also created samurai and the horrific engrish in hex magic
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>>170773586

Mummies used to be my favorite race to play, specifically because of the no hunger clock, scummy behavior. You exchanged having no pressure pushing you forward for having a pressure to take your time and go as slowly as possible.

Them fucking everything up with the depth clock bullshit was the beginning of the end of DCSS and the last time I really played it. Having seen what it's turned into... Fucking called it.

Console port when?
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Soon.
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the madman
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>>170819601
just dont fail then
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>dcss gets less and less fun with every version
>diving orc early is now suicide
>entire run hinges on getting a wand of haste now
>15 rune run is now just branch roll luck with the difficulties not equivalent at all
what happened /rlg/?
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I love shoals
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>>170820725
good job bro
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>>170820572

DCSS devs got stuck in a hugbox, couldn't hear people saying they were making mistakes.
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>>170820572
It was more important to change the gender of uniques than make a better game
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>>170821386
was that even a real change
or some bored dev changing them in a pull and nobody noticing

i mean i wont complain about tengu queen waifu but i dont see the point of the change either
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>>170820572
>entire run hinges on getting a wand of haste now
ahahaha
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>>170821470
Uniques like urug, grindr and I'm sure others got the ol MtF transition.
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>>170821506
yeah spell buffs are for bad players, especially haste, a required spell to do anything with melee post 3 rune. a necessary spell for any non-felid spellcaster who doesn't want to instantly splat while casting.
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>>170821698
There are no more wands of haste.
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>>170821604
Who are you responding to
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>>170821797
all consumable forms of haste are still in the game.
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>>170821604
thats my fetish 2bh fampai
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I didn't even know this could happen
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>>170822315
>falling into something behind a runed door

I almost want to say it's a bug.
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>>170822550
sections of vaults CAN be marked so that you can't trapdoor or random tele into them, but they don't necessarily have to be
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>>170808237
>Unlucky Coin and stabbing dealies
Ninja? I can never seem to get mine past like level five, but I get bored of the early game and take stupid risks. Do you just play really slow early on?
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What the hell is my luck today.
Shame that I probably won't wear the ring thanks to aggravate. Maybe I could find one of those other rings of power.

>>170822732
Yeah, ninja.
Ninjas are really easy imo, since they have frankly really amazing escape-options and free passwall at late game.
You should try to be careful, since they are really flimsy.
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>>170822732
>ninja
>earlygame trouble
eh?
you have literally infinite stealth
there is no way to die without being sexy personality or something
nothing should even be awake to attack you

are you actually using your "create darkness" power in bright rooms? you need to be in the dark for your class to work, and you get an infinite supply of darkness from level 1 so there's no excuse not to use it
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>>170800904
wrong

we have one pcb player (me) and one other player (everyone who's not me), then we have people who see the screenies and think "that looks neat" then play it and say "I'm supposed to play this for 20 hours a character? No thanks, I prefer my ground to be soft."

>>170812230
>easy ID off
MADMAN
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>>170819317
>>170820572
The devs and their cocksuckers are power tripping cunts obsessed with retarded shit and retarded shitgames like Sil.

It already started at the MD removal. Even then I was telling people that if they let the devs get away with their arbitrary faggot shit, they'll just keep getting worse.
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>>170822898
I think you underestimate the stupidity of my risks. I'm using darkness, but I'm probably also bee-lining for stuff when wildly underleveled.
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>>170823935
at xl5 though?
at that level i'm pretty sure you can just dive straight down in stronghold, killing shit you see on the way, and still stay ahead of the xp curve.
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>>170824196
This was a while ago, so I don't remember the details, but I'm pretty sure it was swarms of things that tended to get me (wargs, orcs).

I should probably give it another shot as I'm slightly less stupid these days.
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>>170823073
I am playing with coffeebreak mode so I am not having much trouble with IDs.

Gotten lot of annoying uniques off the list, though.
I would love to try hand at killing Morgoth, too.
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I almost died to a single tarantella biting my ass over and over and over next to an emperor scorpion and an orb spider, had to burn a fear

I fucking hate spider so much

The feeling of helplessness of not even being able to hit while confused is awful
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>>170821604
that's pretty sexist, now it's a game where you can beat women
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>>170824681
Thanks Cthulhu.
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>>170819369
>star blade
What is that?
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>>170828235
It's new monster from pseudo.
A high-level angel that eats walls, tracks from afar, breathes disenchantment and summons other angels ( ex. other star blades ).

Disgustingly unpleasant.
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>>170828357
>from pseudo
from ellipcb, added by Clouded
although i the monsters all come from other *bands before that
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>>170827742
>the grinding ice
fitting
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>Suddenly the walls collapse!
help i've gone insane and then I died
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>>170824412
So turns out I must've been playing terribly because ninja's pretty easy if you don't run directly into bandits->wargs.

Does every weapon without icky wield work for stabbing shenanigans? I know PCB likes to hide things.
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>>170830284
yup! if it doesn't give you icky wield it's kosher
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To all the people playing Crawl, what version are you guys rocking?
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>>170814793
time is exponential
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>>170830908
0.19.5
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>>170830908
0.10

>>170822315
>>170822550
>>170822657
did you died
also I'm pretty sure I've had escape hatches drop me off in nu-hallofblades
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>>170830908
Trunk because of masochism, obviously.
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>>170830483
Is there a list of icky_weild or non-icky_wield things out there?
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>>170829207
And talking about IA, what is this style of tiles called? I love it. Is it inspired by what, Apple 2?

Also fuck this, I have no idea what I should do.
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>>170832773
as a ninja, any weapon for which your max proficiency is "beginner" or lower is icky

note that this means a human ninja with Weapon Versatilty can sneakily backstab people with Grond
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>>170832798
nvm forgot i had one molotov left
armor makes such a difference here
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>>170832773
and if a ninja DOESN'T take weapon versatility, they can use only the following weapons without ickywield penalties:
broken dagger
broken sword
dagger
main gauche
tanto
rapier
small sword
short sword
wakizashi
ninjato
poison needle
lazy stick
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>>170833669
I get the feeling weapon versatility may be "take this, you moron" tier for demigod ninjas.
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>>170833976
it also works for monk/mystic/forcetrainer as well as duelist, although the former 3 prefer FIST and the latter doesn't have very strict weapon restrictions IIRC
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Entering DL10, ran out shotgun shells, medical equipment and curing potions. I'm diseased and I have no idea how deep this place goes.

I feel that my splatting comes near
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Huh, still getting icky wield with this axe. Maybe it doesn't work for hafted weapons regardless.
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>>170834652
are you using a shield? because you can't use shields
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>>170834627
Also I've just camped for about 1500 turns hoping that the disease goes away with time.
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>>170834824
Nope, broad axe and dagger in the off hand.
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In DCSS, does a scroll of teleportation work when you are being attacked? I just tried it and died, but I also used one every turn because I was desperate and didn't know there is a delay.
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>1.3 million reforge

...Thanks I guess. I don't use bows, but I guess that would be rather mean multiplier?
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>>170835049
Yep. You read a scroll then continue to act for 3-7 turns. Don't die! And reading a second doesn't make the delay shorter.
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Good news! I've found a medical bad.
The bad news is that the disease won't go away and I'm going crazy.

I just hope that it's really timed so I'll keep camping near the stairs until shock goes to 100%.
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>>170835853
DL 11, found some diagonal tunnels.

According to the pastebin I should be scared shitless. Fuck.
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>>170835049
reading a second tele actually cancels tele status
i expect this functionality to be removed because it's scummy and spoilery
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>when you realize you're still wearing your robe

fug
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A Chtonian far to my left, and all those things to my right.
I think this is it...
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>>170835048
Hmm, long sword's giving me icky wield as well. Guess I wasted a talent.
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>>170836184
I'm so angry.

All this progress and I get poisoned to death by one single attack by the last green ooze in a group. Otherwise, these things are XP bags.
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>>170836168
>TummyMummy
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>>170836492
Uhhh..
Nevermind I guess.
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Ok, so I know PCB is pretty tedious overall and that's not an issue, but is it just me or are some classes unplayably tedious in the early game? Like, as a ring or lich, am I SUPPOSED to be doing like fuck-all damage and using an average of 20 magic missiles per enemy at level ~15? As a ninja, am I supposed to take half a fucking hour to kill a mob of orcs? Am I just supposed to not play anything but powerhouses? what's the deal?
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>>170836686
>immune to physical damage
I don't have anything to damage it.

fugg
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>>170834652
>>170833976
whoops
i think i completely misread this comment
as a matter of fact weapon versatility can not non-icky-ify icky weapons
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>>170836045
RIP Adolf the Minotaur we will all miss you
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>>170836862
And so ends my adventure, I've let you down, /rlg/.

Fuck ghouls.
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>>170837390
it was inevitable
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F
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post real roguelikes like darksouls
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>>170837724
You should be able to beam those guys out if you really wanted to.
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>>170837724
uck off back to /lite/.
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>>170837724
got too roguelites or if it's dead indie games. In this thread, only traditional roguelikes are allowed
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>>170838082
Note true: we allow modal ones too.
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>people post DCSS
>endless whining to stop playing DCSS
>people post PCB
>no one likes PCB
>people post other roguelikes
>ignored
>people shitpost and/or post roguelites
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>170838192
>modal

how delightfully heretical
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>>170838082
and ones with multiple lives
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>>170831970
>did you died
Noppertone
Tomorrow I'm clearing the spider vault without Sinv
What a horrible day
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>>170838192
and wtf does modal mean?
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>>170836716
PCB tablords are the standard because they're easy, straightforward, and don't require thought or much danger. Just looking at the ladder, players overwhelmingly prefer tablords by a 4 to 1 margin.

PCB casters, however, are extremely fragile and weak everywhere before clevel 40-45, when the awesome artifacts start showing up and the holyfuckingshitthisisridiculous spells become available. What's worse is they require infinitely more keystrokes just to attack, plus their mana pool requires massive stealth which isn't available early on. This is the game's problem until you figure out an effective macro setup. It's shit as is.

What you're doing wrong is you're not breaking the game by using all means available. The dev Chris is an unrepentant scummy bastard, as are his cronies, and that's the way he "intends" the game to be played. Are you hunting dragons for F R E E X P? Or are you wasting your time clearing dungeon levels? Are you teleporting like a madman? Or are you trying to kill everything that moves?

A dumb player will hit level 25 in four hours. A thinking player can hit it in less than one.
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>>170838396
This banana looks like someone colored a cock model yellow.
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>>170836168
Nuke it from orbit
is the only way to be pure
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>>170838470
this really wants to make me try PCB and play a caster
what is wrong with me?
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>>170839373
play a TOME 2.x caster instead

PCB casters aren't meant to be played
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>>170838470
>A thinking player can hit it in less than one.
My personal record is 10 minutes, albeit as a tonberry Mo^Nature
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>>170838470
>playing the game the way I want
>dumb
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>>170839373
You're feeling the same thing that people who strive to become liches in real life feel

the promise of unlimited power

but at the cost of unlimited suffering
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This vs claws?
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>>170839771
Most people with taste aren't interested in baby mode, although I bet many people in this thread will enthusiastically undertake such a combo
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>>170840010
Claws
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>>170840010
>lair:4

claws
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Eat shit papa.
Give me your shoes.

Although I don't need them, I have Faenor's.
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Are you supposed to keep getting divine retribution in Crawl even when the god is apparently neutral towards you?
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>>170840435
It's probably time to challenge the serpent.
Tomorrow.
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>>170839831
>liches in real life
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>>170841138
>he doesn't know
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>>170836716
as a ninja you have infinite stealth and infinite teleportation
unless you think the loot from the orcs is gonna be really good you can probably just walk past them
big packs of orcs or trolls are annoying for anyone who can't just sit in a doorway and spam control-direction, really
>>
Is TOME the failed normie of roguelikes?
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>>170841332
What do you mean by "failed normie" in your post?
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>>170841332
please do not use the n word here
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Hi, I think DCSS is too easy, how can I spice the game up?
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>>170841671
MuMo
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>>170841671
MuMo
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>>170841671
What I usually do is go to the temple and pray to every good and renounce the religion, in the end sticking with Xom xD
i never won
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>>170841671
MuMo
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>>170841671
circus animals
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>>170841671
MoMu
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>>170837724
uck off back to lite
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>>170841671
Play a different game
I mean, MuMo
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>>170841671
poz your cheng ass
submit to the power of the GCWADL
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>>170840126
>>170840175
Thanks but why? Are claws faster anyway?
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>>170836168
Use a script to automatically drop your robe on Turn 1.
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Oops.
From 800 hp or so, to -1 in single action.
Serpent was at last pip, too.

Damn you, Clouded!

Here's the dump if someone wants to see:
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20421&ok
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What's the best PCB durrgon if I want to blast everything with pizza breath?
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>>170846273
f
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>>170844897
Trolls have Claws3 mutation, which means that they get a bonus +6 damage from unarmed combat. So, they have the chance to do 20 damage by the time their UC is level 11 (6+3+11, where every species starts with a base 3 damage).

And yeah, that implies that you'll be doing fairly massive amounts of damage via UC if you get it higher than level 11.
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>>170846989
Thanks again.
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>>170846273
That's a lot of R.

>>170846289
Gold breath dragons yell things to death pretty effectively. Stuns most things, too.
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>>170753246
Who actually plays CDDA with bones, though? Auto-remake world after death is the only actual option.
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>>170843945
I am ever so slowly gitting gud at it.

Every time I splat beyond the Stronghold it's because of fucking giants, though. They seem so much stronger than everything else around their level.
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>>170848271
?tele and/or killhole
>>
Is Cogmind good? I'm really tempted to get it but it's still in alpha and all.
>>
Been playing around with modding CDDA again. I was hoping I'd be able to copy the Rope Webs mutation to make mutations that can create items. Unfortunately, there's no part of the WEB_ROPE mutation in mutations.json file that looks like an option to change what's being created. This leads me to think that the item-creation part of the mutation is hardcoded, or at least stored somewhere else.

If that is the case, is there any way to create similar types of mutations?
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>>170849127
fuck off roguelite shill faggot
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>>170849127
/rlg/ hates it and is going to call you a shill because free vidya are a goddamn god-given right and nobody should ever have to pay money for something like that. Even asking to be paid for work you've done is an evil sin that cannot be tolerated.

Also it's just not a particularly good game and doesn't have much going for it besides being pretty.
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>>170849292
>calling something roguelite in a thread where people play with tiles and GUIs

less a case of not throwing stones in a glass house, and more a case of the glass already being broken.
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>>170849437
>a bunch of autists rolling around in a field full of rocks and broken glass

Truly, the perfect image of this thread
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>>170849437
>glass is broken
>better grind it to fine dust and snort it
good post, do you always post such visceral, witty, commentary?
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>>170848271
yeah, giants have disproportionately high ruk damage for their level and it's totally unresistable
they don't have a very high chance to throw them but they can totally fuck you up if they surprise you with 2 back-to-back ones
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>>170849176
uh, try looking at the actual code instead of the jsons?

>>170849292
cogmind is more roguelike than cdda or tome4
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>>170849745
>this non-roguelike is more roguelike than these other non-roguelikes
ok? you still don't belong here.
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>>170849745
>bloatlike and cooldownlike
>not roguelikes
stop the presses
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dcss, I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I am playing a Minotaur of Trog, and playing with an axe. I only have some poison darts, which seem useless. I already used my potion of flight. What are my options here? They will most likely kill me when I run away.
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>>170849745
>>170849880
>>170850000
Remove self from the thread
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>>170850568
Okay, this is an easy one. You definitely have a very safe, very obvious option here.
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>>170850568
this is my inventory if it helps
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>>170850568
Just read tele
I was in that exact same bailey layout before and managed to grab all the loot and escape with exactly 1 HP
Still, reading tele is your safest option. Pretty much everything else will probably get you killed
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>>170850568
>>170850796
the only way is to read-ID and quaff-ID everything anon, good luck.
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>>170850802
thanks, I just thought there was a way to kill them. I don't know if there are scrolls of destruction or something like that. Guess I'll pussy out then^^
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>>170850568
well you probably shouldn't have gotten INTO that position in the first place

tele is a fine option

also for future reference: poison darts are based on your throwing skill, they do fuckall if you haven't trained the skill
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>>170850802
tried to sneak past them with scroll of fog. They were not fooled and also not amused. I learned to listen to anon now
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Teleportation attempt 1 failed. 4 to go. Wish me luck
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>>170851014
I mean, it'd be POSSIBLE for you to kill them if you also had a reaching weapon
You might've been able to paralyze them or even polymorph them with your wands too
None of those are really worth the small amount of exp you'd get compared to the risk, however
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>>170851496
Classic rng.

I'm not 100% upon on DCSS stealth mechanics but I think if you spend enough turns out of their LOS they'll forget about you and spread out. Might be useful to reduce the chances you get shanked by two at once in the future.
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I had the brilliant plan of summoning a friend by asking Trog to tank the shots. I got into the lootroom with 10 hp and got kill by a troll who guarded it.
RIP Meim, you fought bravely and foolishly
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>>170850568
>>170851496
>>170850796
>>170852092

Tele was probably the smartest option, but if you were intent on getting the loot, you would have been best off quaffing your haste potion (and perhaps the agility potion).

Using Berserk would have boosted your speed, too, although it's rarely a smart idea to rely on Berserk for movement speed (since not fighting will make Berserk fizzle out quickly).

But the biggest fault was entering a Bailey when you're wearing armour that's both cursed AND crappy.

I dunno if you identified blink scrolls, so that would have been the next thing to do. Any of those big stacks of scrolls could've been it, and that would have made everything trivial.
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>>170849549
Tetanus shots? what are you some kind of FUCKIN CASUAL?!
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>>170851496
You should also read scrolls to id remove curse to switch out your shitty armor.
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guys i need the mumo rules
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>>170855723
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>>170856251
it says no amulets but a ring is there

all rings forbidden, right?
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>>170856503
that was just to indicate regen and slay is verboten.
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>>170856647
Thing is I've just jumped into a robin account and it has a cursed ring of sInv.
I'm guessing it's fucked then.
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>Caves of Qud is a colossal project. We've weaved a rich, exotic, and well-researched culture around deeply simulated physical and political systems.
Oh fuck off. I already don't want to play this shit because of how much of their own dick they suck.
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>>170856890
>expecting goons to not be experts of fellating themselves and eachother
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>>170856890
Pirate it and you will feel better about their autofellatio.
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>>170856890
>got the steam version for free but the green filter is pure aids
back to ascii
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>>170812362

press < press 5 press > kill dude walk away

stop being bad
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>Pan portal dumps you right on top of Cerebov and his goons

ugh
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How do these people decide they're fit to be adventurers instead of stay-at-home moms?
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>>170841671

FeTm^Chei
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>>170849343

>not paying for shit videogames

sounds about right
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>>170850568

>6 posts in
>nobody mentioned using /confusion

no wonder /rlg/ is a bunch of shitters
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>>170859303
First, I think that's been removed. Second, he doesn't have a wand of confusion.
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>>170850568

should've used berserk+javelins of returning to orc warriors
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Who here wants to play a multiplayer roguelike with me?
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>>170860909
Don't start the shitposting.
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>>170860909

Sure, what roguelike is this?
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>>170860909
Sure, I'm in the Labyrinth right now. Come meet up with me and we can take down the Minotaur together! pls bring food
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What do you negroes put in the museum in PCB, or whatever? I like putting in the corpses of slain uniques (if they don't have a price on their head), slain townspeople (they crack me up so much), and useless and defective crap.
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>>170862719
>slain townspeople (they crack me up so much)
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'm calling your parents right now, young man.
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>>170862719
Ridiculous items I don't have slots for, hilariously bad junk, and silly things.

Not standarts though, I hoard those in my house.
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>>170863460
That's pretty remarkably bad.
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>>170861076
>ctrl-f dragon

What do you mean, start?
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windows told me pcb is a virus :(

>>170864053
how's that shitposting?
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>>170864053
It ended. Don't start it again.
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Haven't checked the general in 6 months, what's the newest hottest thing to try?
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>>170864303
nothing, people just keep playing PCB for some mysterious reason and shitting on DCSS like it has always been
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>>170864303
Demon is still the newest thing that isn't shite and is due for a new upgrade

otherwise
>>170864716
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>>170838464
In this context, a non-modal game means that there's only 1 level of interaction, or 1 level of gameplay. Like, TF2 is non-modal because you are always in the same state of interaction/interface, you are always 1st person running around on the map. DCSS is modal because you go to shops and enter shop menus, which is a different level of interaction, a different game interface. I'm having trouble put what I mean into concise words, but do you get what I'm getting at?
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>>170868772
If you consider shops and menu screens to violate non-modality, then TF2 (and almost every game made in the last 40 years) is modal.
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>>170840010
Go with skullcrusher, because you're never going to find it again on a race that can wield it. DCSS is easy enough that you can play non-optimally, why play optimally when you can have fun
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>>170841671
Role Play your favorite fictional or non-fictional character
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>>170869072
what's non-modal about tf2?
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>>170869891
It has menus. Which means that there are literally zero modal games, because he's a retard.
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>>170850568
Just close the door, rest for 100 turns, by that time they should have forgotten about you and scattered. Then open the door and make your mad dash for the other door. You have tons of HP and they'll take turns to notice you and walk over
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>>170870045
Yes, saying that DCSS or Angband is modal because of the shop menus is indeed retarded.
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>>170851496
There's no rush, they can't get at you behind your closed door and you have plenty of food. Shoulda just waited until they weren't all aggro'd on you and mighted, then you could have just walked out. This is a turn based game, no need to rush things
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>>170870045
I think I misunderstood modal vs nonmodal then, could you explain it?
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>>170870492
X-COM is non-modal because it has two avenues of play: the strategic layer and the tactical layer, which handle completely differently.
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>>170869072
tf2 is modal both literally and figuratively
there are differents game modes, and also different player states within each mode
menus are a mode
spectating is a mode
offense is a mode, defense is a mode (each have different objectives), arena (permadeath) is a mode, idling is a mode
first vs third person servers are a mode

>>170869891
tf2 is modal because it has modes
rogue is non-modal
elona/pcb is modal because of menus AND because of the overworld map, in which there are no entities other than yourself
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>>170870549
Sorry, I meant modal.
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>>170870253
It's for spergs who feel like walking around and picking shit off the floor is more I M M E R S I V E than selecting things out of a menu.

inb4 >it's not a qualitative argument, it's just specific definitions!

It very quickly becomes a qualitative argument when people use it to jerk their cocks off over which is the more pure Rogue experience, which is surely the most important feature in a game.
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I have created a new thread for you fellows to post in:

>>170872612
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>>170862719
artifacts whose value is too low for me to hoard them forever for potential reforges

if im playing skeleton, skeletons
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>>170868772
of course the actual usage of "non-modal" in the berlin interpretation is meant to mean that combat happens by bumping each other on the same grid you move around on, rather than e.g. moving to a separate battle screen jrpg-style

but the berlin interpretation is shit and this part is left very vague
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