/twg/ - Total War General

Worship Khorne

>>169904843
no

>>169904643
fuck tfw

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>>169904843
But he is a downer.

>>169905107
>Most Ancient and Venerable Memes.

>>169904643
"""Roman""" "Emperor"

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>>169904182

>WC1
>orcs fighting humans
>no drama, just a war
>WC2
>alliance of orcs and shit vs alliance of humans and shit
>no drama, just a war
>WC3
>PROPHECIES
>ANCIENT EVILS
>MULTIPLE WORLDS AND SHIT
>YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE, ANAKIN

Man, Metzen should never have stopped making concept art. Everything has gone down after WC2.

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>>169905464
unbroken chain

>>169905291
See. Just as I said.

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>>169905464

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>>169905531

>Warcraft 2 didn't have multiple worlds and shit

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke or did you really just not play it?

>>169905645
It really depends on who counts as heir.

>>169905531
>Implying 3 times the same story would be fresh and fun.

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Somehow Sigvald managed to go all the way around Norsca and popped up here whilst my armies are buring down the rest of Chaos.

All his units are fucking Chosen.

>>169905813
>Fucking End Times.

>>169905813
>Matthias Letard
>Letard
kek

>>169905531
>WC2
>no drama

Aha.

>>169905783

True dat, forgot the expansion.

>>169905813
Wow, what a magnificent bastard

what's the best mod to fix undead armies?

Killing all their generals should set the army on auto crumble, units that just keep on fighting are a pain in the ass.

>>169905531
>WC2
>No drama
Come on man

>>169906104
Don't just mindlessly focus their lord.

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>Gobbo Archers

What are some good mods for Shogun 2/FOTS?

Is it me or does the Empire gets buttfucked by the first Chaos invasion (before Archaon n shit) every single grand campaign now? Also, Chaos ignores Manny

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>twg will be non stop brettonia poasting for weeks
>literally no interest in le arthurian chivalrous normans of ze lady

>>169906228
I don't, but when you whole line of peasants has been routed, and you could go for their lord, that's the smart thing to do, except of course killing the vampire/necromancer barely even affects his army.

>>169906759
If you frontline is only peasants you're gonna have a bad time anyway, bring in some better inf, you don't even need the shield upgrades and their upkeep is not that much higher than peasants

>>169906373
Radious mounted ninjas.

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Rock the boat!

>>169905813
Lorewise that fits him really well though, like in the middle of invading Ulthuan when things started to look a little bad, he just randomly up and quit the warband and fucked off to Bretonnia because he had a craving at that time for some of the wine.

He fairly regularly tends to just randomly show up places based on whatever urge he has at the time.

>>169906589

They always have in my campaigns. Varg and Skaelings fuck over everyone, and in combination with WoC it becomes a wave that the AI cannot handle no matter what. The only time I've seen the AI handle the invasion was when VC managed to conquer most of the Empire, and then had a billion zombie stacks that they sent to Archaon.

Vargs and Skaelings needs to be toned down. They're supposed to be raiders, and yet each time they attack they send two or three full stacks, instead of a smaller stacks of maybe 5-10 units.

>>169907380
True dat, beastpeople are a whole race and they're way less intimidating than shit chaos vikings.

>>169906709
>poasting
>implying anyone but your horrible, spoiling mum gives a quarter of a shit about what you have interest in fuck off

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>>169906709

What about Vampire girls?

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WHY ARE THEY SO BASED??§!1?

>>169907870
It kind of looks like the cup was full of blood, and the beastman knocked her hand and emptied the cup all over her.

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reminder to always bring your IRONDRAKES to siege

I, Sigmar, henceforth proclaim that not only is Mannfred von Carstein the TRUE von Carstein, but that he is in fact the greatest and most noble exemplar of all the various Undead forms. Had I the misfortune to face such a powerful and malevolent foe instead of that inelegant old fool Nagash, my time as Emperor would have been short indeed. I submit to all who view this missive that any who refer to Mannfred as a "mannlet" or any other slur shall meet a most gruesome end. They would be far better served submitting to the true von Carstein and enjoying a satisfactory life in his eternal kingdom. I only hope that my empire shall soon be delivered from that brash and arrogant Karl Franz and find its new ruler to be the noble and wise Mannfred von Carstein.

-Sigmar Helgenhammer

Does anyone have that picture with the map of the entire Warhammer world and the races/DLC planned? I can't remember exactly what it was but i remember it was something of that nature.

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>>169908138

FUG

>>169908243
>Mannfred can't spell.

>>169904643

So what's the going strat for opening as Brettonia? Knock out Marienburg ASAP and then sack Grung Zint? Then farm greenskin incursions/grung zint until that event ends?

>>169908216
>Implying the balance of power bar wasn't full yellow
You sure needed those drakes

>>169907870
>>169908138
>>169908327

Am I the only one who wants to rename her into Batwoman? Because once she gets the right spec she turns into a really, really crazy Batwoman.

So, how do you guys play as Skarnisk/Beggar?

Do you just go straight for eight peaks or do you go around conquering stuff on the way?

>>169908396

If you destroy the orcs the events end.

Keep the event going. Farm the orcs until you can summon Ramirez, and after the event is done go and take care of Skullsmashers and then Marienburg by summoning the GK and letting him charge first. Fucker is nigh indestructible and causes Terror.

>>169907870

Acceptable

>>169907763

Literally mad

>>169908542
I've played Belegar a few times and turtled, and ended up always finding it boring.

Now I just gun it straight for K8P and capture the provinces around it, slowly building up a force from there.

>>169908542
No one comes to bother you once you've killed those dwarves on the mountains close to your starting position, especially now that elves are afk for the whole campaign.
Easiest campaign once you chewed through nearby dawi settlements.

>>169908542

As Skarsnik you can wait with Karak since the penalty isn't that big, so do whatever you want. Belegar is a lot more tricky. As soon as you get a garrison building the Gits invasion will just hang around outside your cities, and the ghost dorfs you get can help with Public Order. I usually unite the province, gather up everything I own, make sure every building has a garrison, then march to Karak. Your ghost dorfs are hilariously powerful and will be the key to help you take the city.

>>169908542

As Belegar, you gotta be a weird gypsy. Abandon the vaults, take some land in the badlands, and make your way to Karak Eight Peaks.

>>169908615

I'll give it a shot, thanks anon.

I'm trying to be less of a cuck and play on hard instead of normal.

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>>169908412
nae kwite rite

>>169909225

Go for VH instead, then switch battle difficulty to Normal in Options -> Campaign menu.

>>169909380

Will do, campaign AI actually differs based on difficulty or do they just get crazy super campaign bonuses?

>>169909225
You should capture marinenburg for its port and confederate bordeleaux for port and wineyards asap, those two places bring in the big pesos.
Also, trade agreements bring in lots of cash before you confederate with fellow bretonnians.

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>If you only have flying units they will automatically route

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This game is so much fucking more fun to play now that they fixed their shitty unit size bug

Battles are massive

>>169909468

It's only bonuses, the AI stays the same. However, the extra resources makes the campaign much more interesting because they can afford more than one or two stacks, and it's not cheating out of the arse when playing manual battles.

>>169909468
They're better at counting cards and dodging your armies by a hair. The AI will also receive at least 5 tons of Nazi gold per turn, leading to massive AI armies.

>>169909667
I've been playing Very Hard since forever. What does it actually cheat on? I've been playing Dorfs only and the only thing I ever really lose to is Chaos, if they bring chariots and hellcannons

>>169909790
Public order bonus for them and handicap for you, corruption decay, money, money, even more money, absurd amount of money so they can sustain more stacks.

>>169909790

On campaign it gets help with Public Order and money. That's it. In battle it increases every stat by... a hilarious amount, especially if you're playing on VH. Greatswords will lose to common gobbos and shit like that.

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Look at the scale of the fucking battles

>>169910018
Doesn't look much different than max unit size, except if you only play chaos and dorfs.

>>169909975
>Greatswords will lose to common gobbos and shit like that.
Playing on Legendary i've never found it to be nearly as bad as that, though you're still at a marked disadvantage with "equal" quality units.

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>>169910018
>12fps

>>169909649
>>169910018
Which mod are you using?

>>169909975

Oh fuck, I was wondering why my melee were shit and basically always losing/being a tank for my ranged units

So VH with Normal battle difficulty is the fun way to go?

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>>169910128
???

>>169910261
Unit Size Expansions - 150% by Railgun

>>169910261
Radious

>>169909975

They get leadership bonuses and about 12% more attack and defense.

It's enough to make you lose a mirror match but no where near what you described.

>>169910358

VH/H I guess is the real flavor.

>>169910358
Yes, basically. Also, medium unit size can be considered if you want to use lots of magic so it isn't useless, but the game seems balanced around large.

Is there anything I can do about herdstones/corrupting structures in ruins that I can't possibly occupy? It's annoying to have neighboring provinces that were trashed by the Beastmen, and proactivity seems like the only option.

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So I can't see Bretonnia as a faction in the old war campaign menu. I'm using CreamAPI, anyone else had a similar problem?

So which warhammer campaign doesn't start out with you getting fucked or about to get fucked aside from dwarfs?

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More ultra scale battles

>>169910598

Brettonia? You're pretty safe and it's easy to confederate.

>>169910598
Skarsnik, VC, Welves, beastmen, chaos
Definitely not Greenskin, Wurzzag and empire

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Decided to change up the howitzers a little, now they fire battleaxes..

>>169911060
That's different.

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>>169911060
>Frenchmen throwing axes
Remindes me of someone

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Explosive battleaxes, by the way.

>>169907032
>Radious tetsubo ninjas
ftfy

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post screenshots

>A count of Ostland leading his army against me

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Are there any maps for the campaign on the workshop yet?

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And if you switch to non-explosive, you get 10000 axes per shot, they have spin animation too.

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>>169911302
>A doom diver successfully brings down two fort towers

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>Bretonnia is pretty OP, so I figured now is a good time to get into VH/VH
>40 turns later
VH/VH was a mistake.

>>169910582
Did you download Bretonnia?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/534330/

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So it's pretty clear that the expansion will be the entire new world plus Ulthuan, but what about the next?

Assuming the second expansion finally gives us playable kangz, does the Southlands have enough content to make it worth it? At best there's kanz, lizardmen and dorfs, plus Araby as another Empire clone, so maybe go and include the Darklands to add Chaos dorfs and Ogres in one go?

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>>169911549

Did CA manage to fuck up the crumbling mechanic?
>play as Alberic
>have to fight two stacks of Mousillon fucktards
>manage to kill Red Duke and the other cunt ASAP
>literally nothing fucking happens
>units have the red cloudy shit circling around them BUT NOTHING HAPPENS
>have to run them down for 20 minutes

Who should I play as in my first Attila game? Should I do charlemagne first?

>>169911771
I seriously doubt CA will make a single grand campaign map

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>>169911514
What happens when that hits a unit?

>>169911935
Why?
Thats what they have been saying that they are gonna do for over a year.

>>169911947
would you like a webm or an explanation? I'd have to make the webm

>>169911514
The "fuck everything n front of you" option.

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>Doing the ambush beastman build
>Manage to route off all Bretonnia's forces other then the green knight and Leoncure
>the green knight kills 300 Ungors and eventually terror routes every unit I have left
Bullshit. Never making the mistake of not taking MindRazor ever again.

Is there any point in taking regular Demi's over the halberd variant in the campaign?

>>169911747
yeah, I downloaded and I can even choose Bretonnia in battles (don't know if you could without the DLC anyways), but I can't choose it on a new campaign, it just doesn't appear.

>>169912028
Some races are limited to specific settlements, water movement is extremly barebones, end turns takes ages, previous total war xpacs weren't like that, some tech trees might get super convulted with new races (ie diplomacy research).
Lots of minor pet peeves like that that means either one big map isn't gonna turn out that fun or it takes them lots of work on previously released races.

>>169912384
Based spooky knight.

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>raze the last varg settlement
>check title
the game knew i was on a Holy Crusade.
10/10

>>169912421
Anti infantry against chaos. The real question is there ever any reason to take non Halberd in online.

>>169912529
>Only one questing knight
>No Hippos
>Non royal Pegasus
This is not a crusade its a mockery.

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>>169906709
>mfw someone makes an unchivalrous post near me

>>169912057
Both, actually.

>>169912475

Could always go the Empire route, multiple maps and screens. Or just a sea tile that is "travel to the Old World/Ulthuan"

>>169909975

GS deal are worse damage dealers vs relatively unarmored units because they trade damage for AP ability , so they're wasted on gobbos

Something youd notice if you weren't playing on easy (normal is the equiv of easy in older titles according to CA)

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>>169911060
>Shooty wiv choppy in it
All dis time... It woz we 'oo woz muckin' about...

>>169912835
Probably, but then you can look at the chaos campaign, or even the race to see why I'm not having much faith in CA.

>>169912832
Okay, for the explanation.

they die

Now, give me some time

WHO DO I PLAY AS IN MY FIRST ATTILA TOTAL WAR CAMPAIGN

>>169911897
They crumble based on how much morale they have lost, and that's pretty slow when they're barely over the limit and have lots of hp left. Fast crumbling only happens with a large morale shock or the "army-wide losses" effect. They also become less susceptible to crumbling on higher difficulties I think.

>>169912421
Depends on how you use your cavalry. Standard demigryphs are better or equal in nearly every stat, but they lack an anti-large bonus. If you're facing Dwarfs, or if you have a contingency plan for large units, then you can probably switch over to regular demigryphs.
Halberds are probably better though, if only because of their versatility.

>>169911574

>army with half peasantry takes on twice it's number
>still wins despite being a little challenging
>mistake

Back to easy casual

Does anyone already have a list of all the traits with requirements?

>>169913342
WRE on legendary.

>>169912781
your lack of faith disturbs me

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Trying to conquer Asia Minor and all the shitty tribespeople and greeks that inhabit it is so much fun.

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>>169910582
Alright I fixed it by updating the DLC files manually, the creamAPI can be left untouched. Time for me to start a holy crusade.

>>169913342
Franks or Saxons.

Anyone have halfway decent Choas builds that aren't LMAO 3 SHAGGOTH 3 SHAGGOTH?
I've tried infantry balls and they don't have the numbers to keep flankers detoured and win the front line, I've tried a firing line of Doomcanons to various degrees of success and a fuck it all chosen army That got out traded by foot squires.

>Steel Faith won't be ready before at least a week.
Kill me now

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Let's try this again.

>>169913934
>Implying I have wood elves or DLC factions

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>>169905531

Warcraft 3 was the best game they have ever made by far. You have horrendously shit taste.

---

If the next expansion is coming next year in 2018, how are they going to get by without any DLC at all for an entire year? We need to start getting more LLs and unique factions, some RoRs and shit. At least give us unit packs every now and then.

>>169905813
>no walls or garrison
You had it coming

>>169913934
Cuck me again daddy.

Just a friendly reminder that HONOR IS ALL

>>169914073
>Warcraft 3 best game
>Not BW or D2
:(

>>169914073
that's actually very nice ui, what is it?

>>169914073
>implying there won't be 'the King and the Warlord'-style DLC for the new factions

>>169914341
They said they won't make (arguably "paid") DLCs for DLCs.

How the fuck do you win against Beggar Nohammer with Skarsnik? I can't even afford 2 armies and he has 3 and that's not even counting that gobbos can't do shit against dwarf warriors without upgrading Skarsnik first.

>>169914446
You don't, based Belegar Ironhammer, true King of Eight Peaks, is just that good.

>>169913887
>MP

>>169914280
They're all the best at what they did, I can safely put BW and WC3 together because they handled RTS in different ways.

That said, SC2 and D3 have been quite nice too.

>>169914446
>Can't afford 2 armies
>125 recruitment cost and 40 upkeep for night gobbos
Wut

>>169914446
>Beggar Nohammer
DELET THIS

How the hell do you take on Beastmen minotaurs?

An army of about 12-13 units of Beastmen attacked me as Dwarves. Balance of Power was completely in my favor, but in the actual battle 2 units of Minotaurs absolutely slaughtered all 7-8 units of my dwarf warriors. My artillery and ranged units seem to do nothing against them.

>>169914535
>He's a single player only fag

I think the 4 chaos god factions are going to be separate DLCs. the gods are all different enough that they will probably have unique campaign mechanics and unit rosters for each god which would be a fair amount of work and CA would charge for, but not enough to warrant an entire expansion on.

>>169914446
You have a fucking arachnid, use it

>>169914614
One stack of thunderers will rip 'em apart.

>>169914614
They get raped by ranged, not even armor piercing.
But they also rape everything they enter melee with.

>>169914315

My own custom one, I don't play anymore and deleted my addons and settings, sorry.

>>169914341
>>169914434

Fuck it man, I'm down to pay for DLC packs for DLC packs, lol. I just want more content so the game can be filled up more and more. This game is too good.

>>169914073
>liked the scarlet crusade and their desperate struggle
>they're just beat up over and over to the point of annihilation
>meanwhile, the undead are rolling through most of the human forces in lordaeron
I'm still mad

>>169914614

Just keep shooting them when they've entered melee. Ranged units will aim for center mass, so you can shoot at any monstrous units mixed in with infantry without much fear of friendly fire.

>>169914790
They went out of their way to call the Isabella and Bretonnia DLC a "FLC", so it's not completly ruled out yet.

What if they made a Green Knight style of unit for each faction?
Abhorash for VC and VC
Kurt Hellborg, Ludwig or Gotrek and Felix for Empire
Glombrindal would have been perfect for Dwarves
Any other idea?

>>169907380
>>169907757
>manfred turns back chaos

Truly he is the best emperor

Who /oldfriend/ here?

>>169906709
Only for a month

Then Toddbringer and Middenland get released and give us Ulric units

And then the general will suffer a year long attrition of no new DLC because CA thought pushing back the release of the expansion a year and making it a sequel would be a good idea

>Bretonnian roster is exciting for mp but lame for the campaign

>>169915003
And maybe they can give bretonnians the grailway stance that ignores terrain

>>169914073
You need to kill yourself

>>169915234
Get out mpnigger

Have you ever had Greenskins winning in the badlands against the Dwarves?
They always get obliterated

Man I hate Activision, those jews fucked up WoW, Diablo and SC

>tfw we will never see w4


Also Brets are easy mode, you don't even need to raid your own clay cause the 20(!!!) turns orcfuckery provides plenty of leveling, itens, dosh and traits.

>>169911897
>play as Alberic
>have to fight two stacks of Mousillon fucktards
I literally took Mousillon by turn 2, how the fuck did you let them build up 2 stacks?

>>169915003
That's kind of what brayherds and waaghs are.

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>>169913479
Rude, I usually play on hard /normal.

>>169914647
>DLCs

They're going to be the four races for the expansion which will add the chaos wastes to the game

The realm of chaos will be a minicampaign

>>169915489
They are not legendary heroes

Only rural rednecks and suburban retards live in Bretonnia
All city people live in the Empire

>>169914624
Playing with people you know is fun, but ranked is pure cancer.

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>Manlet getting manlet getting manhandled because his reinforcement abandoned him
>meanwhile at Castle Drakenhof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCa7tKiCMN4

>>169915580
>Not owning serfs and lands.
Who's the peasant?

>>169915619
What difficulty? This makes Chaos actually look fun.

>>169915580
Makes sense, a lot of sense

>>169915832
>Chaos
>Fun
You might be confused here

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>>169915832
Legendary? There is a limit after which ai is too scared to hunt you around the map with doomstacks. Its gotten from ridiculously stupid to ridiculously easy.

>>169915424
Not him but in my campaign i focused on the greenskins first as alberic, and then I fought mousilon and i felt like I was seconds away from winning it when alberic got killed while i was looking elsewhere the duke was their only real power left and was a sliver away from being killed but a mass rout caused my army to flee. this was on turn 20 and because of the massed casualties they were able to spawn back two whole stacks and it took me until turn 50 to reclaim it.

undead on legendary are scary.

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Somehow it seems praying at shrines with Bretonnia is fucked for me. Got my lords garrisoned for fuck knows how many turns to clear the bad traits but shit just doesn't happen. Even installed some mod now that bumps up the clear chance to 100% on the last upgrade of the shrine thing.

Do I need to click some button to make them pray when garrisoned? Am I forgetting something? It actually just says to have a lord garrisoned that he clears his shit.

>>169915937
Chaos is always fun

>>169914614
as dwarves always focus fire all your ranged units on whatever they have that is hardest to deal with.

I usually take 3 groups of thunderers just because the AI has a habit of charging their general in first so they can usually rip him to pieces before he even reaches my ranks.

>>169915003
desu Grombrindal should have defo been like that for Dwarves, atm he's just the most OP legendary lord, but working like the Green Knight does would be way more his style.

I don't think other races really need it though.

>>169914624
>>169915610


>he wants to spend the couple hours of gaming he has 'playing' ADHD clickfests vs whatever cheesiest lists/tactics are in favor this patch

>>169915937
Whenever I play Chaos I don't even go for the victory conditions. I just run around the map with a doomstack and fuck up whoever I want to fight right now. Replenishing units is the easiest of all factions with just merging the beaten up ones and just recruiting new ones in like a turn - you can even move 50% and still recruit niggas.

Most fun campaign of all the factions for me tbqh - somewhat boring unit roster though.

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>>169915419
>Also Brets are easy mode
make the game harder for yourself then.

I decided in my campaign to do a meatgrinder war with empire factions after the 20 turns of rebel fucking was over, it's pretty fun.

pic related

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More like FUN enchantress, right?

Can anyone explain Errantry Wars in detail? I'm overseas with a shitty laptop and I missed the release of based Bretonnia.

And the mechanics are fucking perfect for launching a peasant revolution, too.

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>>169916102
Undead on Legendary are pushover.
Now Elves, they used to be scary.
Now they are literally in a coma.

>>169916102
>Not him but in my campaign i focused on the greenskins first as alberic
You mean you ran all the way over to the mountain orcs in order to stop the incursions, trespassing all over your Bretonnian buddies along the way?

>>169913934

Rollan for after I finish this Brettonia run

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>>169914825
I share your pain.

>>169916675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZlpTp_dJA

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What's gonna be the preorder bonus for the next Total Warhammer?

>>169917046
Skaven.

>>169917046
Myabe some lord with new starting position

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>>169917046
You know it

>>169913090
how about the Bretonnia FLC or the WElfs?

>>169912475
>end turns takes ages
do they? I always thought they where quick. at least when compared to the other games.
>some tech trees might get super convulted with new races
how does that limit/prevent on big map?

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>>169917046
Either the High or Dark Elves.

>>169916164
It usually clears that shit for me within 1-3 turns, do you have the lord in force march stance maybe?

>Master Engineer Critical Failure
>Wait 6 turns
>March him all the way south again
>First mission
>Critical Failure

>>169917248
End times either trigger on turn 80/100 or as realm divide if you blob too fast.

>>169917046
I hope none, because that faction will be an unfinished shitheap again

>>169917046
Hopefully something minor since the pre-order factions are always the least fun

>>169917518
>ca
>relasing finished content

good joke

>>169917191
If it means more people playing then i'll take it

>>169914446
what mods are you using?

>>169916678
>reach end of game
>get the option to start a not!crusade
>chaos or greenskins because there are never enough vampires
>get a final battle you can fight
>but you can't teleport there and have to brave hundreds of miles of hostile territory to reach the badlands or the chaos wastes
>defeating chaos in the battle ensures that the doom tide event never fires

>>169917046
Anime girl skins for all factions

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Tokugawa anon here, Realm Divide is in full swing and after my daimyo's death in battle Ieyasu is now in charge, and is a couple of seasons away from being declared Shogun. Unfortunately he is nowhere near where the majority of the fighting is taking place, because he had to go chase down a couple of rogue ai naval invasions, but fortunately that meant that he was in good position to deal with the Kiso rebellion.

The fucking Kiso, who shat all over my careful planning by triggering realm divide with their reckless conquest of shinano, finally rebelled immediately after the death of my daimyo, and now present a bit of a problem as there are no armies nearby to deal with them. Right now I am building a rearguard stack that will be able to deal with any invasions the ai sneaks behind, and as a result those troops have been spread out to defend various unprotected castles from the kiso

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>>169917746
Playing what? AoS?

>>169913934
Let's give it a try

>>169917424
which point was this in response to?

>>169916736
Nah i farmed the incursions until they were done. But I should have done vampires and then orcs.

>>169911060
>when the frankish heritage hits hard

>>169913934
Knowing my luck I'll get cummler

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I wiped out her shitty faction in 50 turns

Now there's only Tempelhof who somehow have positive relations with me because I whoop-assed the Carsteins and they were enemies during their petty vampiric civil wars, and the vampire cunts are the dominant force that's left

>>169914160
All tier 3 are walled now.

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Hehe good Go... I mean honorable Bretonians, thank you for your kind donations. ((((We)))) are your greatest allies always ....

>>169917046
"Queen and the Witch DLC"- preorder and get Morathi the mother of the Witch King and Alarielle the Everqueen for free! Alarielle starts in the land of Avelorn- original homeland of all Elfkind. She fights alongside her lover and protector Teclis. Morathi starts in Naggarond with her son Malekith.

>>169917330
That would be fucking retarded

>>169916714
>Now they are literally in a coma.
actually? that bad?

>>169917046
Base faction are Skaven, lizzies, Dark elfs and High elfs
Vampire pirates as dlc bonus
Skeggi faction dlc
Skinks vs Pestilens faction pack dlc
coastal dark elfs (that big water monster, corsairs) vs something high elfs faction pack dlc

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>>169918424
>She fights alongside her lover
Doesnt this apply to Morathi too?

>at war with moussosomething undead guys
>they're on their very last settlement in their very last province
>20 turns later after constant hero harrassment and with <10% corruption, they are somehow able to field 3 lords
>it's just a bunch of skeletons and zombies so I smash their shit, the lords somehow don't die and escape with some forces
>they start hunkering down again
>some turns later, they suddenly have elite ethereal units despite having no buildings for them
So is the AI just straight up cheating or what? I don't want to deal with this bullshit.

>>169918606
They wont confederate for 60 turns and only time they went out for me was when i rampaged across Brettonnia as beastmen.
Also they will sue for peace after 20 turns of doing nothing.

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>>169911162
>>169911201
>>169911947
>>169912068
>>169912832
>>169912976
>>169918196

puu (dott) sh/urlX1/ce281c2881 (dott) webm

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why

>>169917882
>defeating chaos in the battle ensures that the doom tide event never fires
should you always chose orcs then?

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>>169918827
Holy fuck

>>169918738
Raise dead

>going into negative chivalry doesn't give you access to high powered but unchivalrous units with gunpowder weapons, but missing out on any grail knight units.

It would be like FotS but with chivalry instead of modernization. I want to turn alberic into a whoring, shooting, sleezy knight who still gets the blessing because ladies and THE lady love bad boys.

>>169918738
>I'm confused by Vampire mechanics

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>>169919002

>>169918849
Your ranged units can tear through that easily. However, I'd imagine that your Reiksguard's going to take a lot of damage while taking out the mortar.

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OK somebody give me a goddamn idea of how to defend this fucking settlement. It's clearly the worst settlement in the game to defend, you could not design a more unfair and necessarily open settlement for a defender, it's just straight-up not fair. There's absolutely no sense in having absolutely no chokepoints and at least 4 entrances to every area it's fucking insanity. On top of that, there's literally NOWHERE for your missile units to be effective, absolutely 0 (ZERO) vantage points from which to actually shoot at the enemy without shooting the backs of your own guys. You get an easy 2-point defense on literally every other settlement, but this fucking despicably awful settlement is just unworkable.

I'm honestly considering keeping a skeleton force in the arena and just doing a massive ambush flanking maneuver with like 15 units.

I've got 2 stacks to deal with here and on literally any other map this would be a goddamn cakewalk, but not this fucking travesty.

I regret not deleting this map from the game and replacing it with a more fair setup via mods before I started this campaign. This is a big enough design flaw to make a guy throw his hands up and give up on a campaign. How could anyone possibly design this settlement and think it was fair for the defenders? Who thought " a defensive settlement with 50 bazillion ways to flank the defending no matter how you set up!" was a good idea? I want him drawn and quartered.

>>169919038
>>169919119
I've never been able to raise that tier of units as Vampires. How the fuck?

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>chaos invasion
>let one of my army in Bretonnia in case norscan fuckers try to raze it
>ZIS IS NOT CHIVALROUS! HE'Z NAOW LAZY, COWARD AND WE TAKE YOU 50 CHIVALRY FOR ZIS!

>>169918827
jesus christ

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>>169918827
>that town evaporating

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>>169918629

>you will never have a super hot mother with no morals that you bang on a regular basis

feels bad man

What's the strategy for starting as Vlad? Also why do I have so many fucking flying units

Is HARD difficulty the normal of Total War games?

>>169919248
>using extra garrison mod
>complain about siege defense

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>>169918827
War... Has changed...

>>169919431
what the fuck are you talking about you fucking retarded piece of fucking shit? I don't have any garrison mods running, only mod I have is a fertility mod and only thing I regret is not purging this awful fucking map from the game files.

That's called a field army in a city you fucking retard

>>169919251
You need big grinding battles to up the body count to gain access to higher tier raise dead options. but you can raise high tier units if given enough fodder.

So several stacks of trash like zombies, skeletons and skeleton spearmen like mousilon pumps out is perfect for them. especially if you take a lot of peasant losses at the same time.

they'll be able to get elite units from raise dead. You really have to be able to knock out their army (preferably not in mousillon) and then push through and take em out before they spawn more stacks.

There was a method to try an abuse raise dead by using secondary zombie stacks as fodder just to up the body count in battles.

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>>169919251
Battle has to have 18 units minimum on both sides in starting army stacks then you sacrifice mountain of zombies on purpose.
>>169919278
>you will never have immoral immortal mother that takes it up the ass for Khaine
Fixed it for ya
>>169919357
Beeline for Drakenhof with raised units because Manny will go on Templehof.
Vlad counts as siege unit.

>>169919248
You have a whole army there, everyone should be able to win that fight

>>169918827
That one guy in the generals unit that survives

jesus christ.

>>169919540
>have an entire army in a city
>can't win a defensive battle

git gud

>>169919713
I fucking know I'll eventually win but I want to know the best strategy for this map

fucking why do I even bother there's probably no masters of strategy on this fucking thread anymore anyway you're all just newfaggot shits that joined a year ago and probably only played warcraft or some pleb shit like that.

That's fine guys, dont give me any advice just keep being a bunch of fucking plebs

>>169919816
I will win this battle, but at a cost that's way more dear than a defensive battle should cost, all because it's impossible to defend this settlement and use missiles effectively so it's just going to be an infantry slogfest and I was holding out hope that there might actually be one good player left on this thread that could give me some advice, but apparently you're all a bunch of casual warhammer faggots that suck dick and wont be of any help

whatever then

>>169919687
What should I do as far as building and the vampires I start with?

>>169917046

>preorder bonus

They're actually calling it an "early adopter bonus". Which could just be a bullshit business speak euphemism or imply a change in direction for pre-order content. Ie. Get to play it several months before they make it free for all. They've also expressed regret over the Chaos DLC and will try to avoid repeating mistakes like that in the sequel. But again, it could just be a lot of smoke blowing. Also keeping mind people only got mad because Chaos, a staple faction, was relegated to pre-order DLC schlock. If it had been playable Vampires no one would have given a shit.

That said best guess, either a few Legendary Lords or a minor faction race pack. There's also a long shot chance that it could be Tomb Kings. If TWWH was as much of a financial success as they claim and that their goals and production plans have expanded that much then I could see Tomb Kings as a pre-order bonus too.

>>169920020
Depends on difficulty but base building with skeletons is just fine for everything.
Make sure to get gigantic battles for Raise Dead in provinces. and youre set for life.

>>169919629
>>169919687
Why the fuck would undead units count for increasing the raise dead battle size?

>>169919248

Christ you fucking retard. This is just a normal town defense with an extra chokepoint or two.

Barricade one entrance and put skirmishers on it, with the others in reserve for once they run out of ammo. Enjoy your 500 easy kills if they attack there, and now you have 3 chokepoints.

Block the chokepoints with testudo. Leave archers and slingers behind, and use them to target ranged inf and cav. Keep your own cav hidden outside the city to strike at undefended ranged infantry, and to hit the moshpits in the rear once their ranged inf and cav are dead.

This might even be easier than a two chokepoint battle, because they usually leave one chokepoint uncovered, which you can run infantry out of to hit moshpits in the rear.

>>169919258
Just let him sit in a settlement where he can pray the gay away.

>>169919687
>comic

Why do the Dark Elves even exist? No seriously, the idea of the Sundering is neat but why did a civil war make them edgelords? Same thing with Chaos Dwarfs, just edgy alternative to the Dwarfs who I could have sworn were anti-magic and inherently resistant to Chaos.

Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian alternative to the Welsh/Nordic Dwarfs is neat, why did it need to be shitted up with retarded Chaos garbage. Same with Dark Elves.

Where do I find if a unit is considered large or small?

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FUCK

>>169920985
Just look at them. Anything with a horse or bigger is large.

>>169920961
>Why do the Dark Elves even exist?

To sell models. People need to understand that TT universes exist to justify their physical product lines. At the end of the day the lore is bullshit, all that matters are the rules and little plastic models. Eventually the product gets popular and some people start to care more about the """""""story""""""""""" emphasis on """"""", so they react and retcon shit and delete things and it'll becomes a big retarded mess.

>>169920961
If it makes you feel better Malekith actually really is the true king of Ulthuan and he winds up uniting them all into a proud dominant superpower again. He also mellows out considerably and becomes far, far less edgelordy about everything.

>>169920985
Anything that's at least as big as a horse. Not sure if monstrous infantry (crypt horrors, chaos spawn) counts as large, but I think it does.

>>169920985
Horse is the cut-off.

>>169921184

Which is also cool, I just wish it had happened sans dumpstering the whole setting shortly there after.

>>169921205
They do. It's literally just based on model size. Monstrous infantry are bigger than horses and weak to Anti-Large as a result.

>>169920013
its real fucking easy

>deploy at all entrances to the city
>wait for the enemy to commit to whatever entrances they want to use
>reinforce those points with the infantry from the unchallenged entrances
>break through the enemy at their weakest points of attack
>use cav/missile units to sally out and attack the enemy's strongest points of attack in the rear

its not that complicated its basic settlement defense 101 maybe you would know that if you were a trve vndertander instead of some Warhammer shitter

>>169920687
I think it's too late to help him annon. he's already gone

>>169921184
Cept thats realistically impossible.
They literally hate each other to death for millenia and genocide each other.

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>Green Knight
More like Green Cuck, lmao

>>169921457
not him but would it also be viable to deploy in the city center and use your skirmishers/archers on the walls? or is the center more open than I realize?

>>169919258
Build chapels anon. Like seriously its that easy.

>>169920687
>This is just a normal town defense with an extra chokepoint or two.

No it's not. A regular town defense involves a literal town square with walls and 3 entrances, one of which can be blocked off with a barricade. You can then actually put your fucking missile units on the walls and actually use them effectively, unlike this absolutely garbage settlement.

>Barricade one entrance and put skirmishers on it, with the others in reserve for once they run out of ammo. Enjoy your 500 easy kills if they attack there, and now you have 3 chokepoints.

That's a cute pipe dream, but they never actually attack the barricade, they specifically avoid that route and go for the other 3.

>Block the chokepoints with testudo. Leave archers and slingers behind, and use them to target ranged inf and cav.

This is the sort of strategy that'll end your game with maybe 20 kills on each of your missile units. Meanwhile in literally any other defensive settlement I can rack up almost 500 kills with a single archer unit because THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FUCKING WALLS WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

>This might even be easier than a two chokepoint battle, because they usually leave one chokepoint uncovered, which you can run infantry out of to hit moshpits in the rear.

This might be effective if there wasn't another stack coming into the map, meaning that they'll have complete control of the map for a good 15 minutes before I can make any flanking moves as I wait for the second stack to make it's way from the edge of the map and into the city and then finally into one of the infantry blobs, all that time unable to flank, unable to use missiles effectively, unable to do FUCKING ANYTHING while my infantry slog it out man for man and fight as if they had no support whatsoever because that's how this god-awful fucking map is designed.

Face it, this map is a pile of dogshit no matter how you look at it

>>169921457
I cant make moves like this until the second stack arrives mr armchair

>>169921670
cheeki breeki

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>Grail Knights are the best cavalry in the Old World
Hahaha

>>169921712
there are no walls in this settlement, that's the main reason it's so fucking trash. You can't use your missile units effectively at all

>>169921776
Have you tried not being a little bitch?

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fuggin autoresolve

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Nice flying chicken, lmao

>>169921934
thanks for capitulating that my points are totally correct and incontestable.

This is the worst defensive map ever created in a total war game.

>>169920687

For those of you who don't know how to fight basic town battles in Attila, here's all you do:

>Bottle up chokepoints with testudo or shieldwall.
>Place skirmishers on barricades, or on the wall near a moshpit. Don't let them waste ammo on anything but a moshpit.
>Place archers and slingers on barricades if no skirmishers. Use the rest to target enemy ranged inf and cav, then use them to fire into moshpits.
>Keep cavalry hidden outside of the central citadel. Use them to target siege units, undefended ranged infantry, or enemy cav. Do not use them if they will take heavy casualties, unless there is an open chokepoint already.
>Once ranged inf and cavalry are dead, use your own cav to hit one of the moshpits in the rear. Rush reserve inf and skirmishers out of any open chokepoints to do the same.

These battles only get tricky if you don't have cav or open chokepoints. Just two units of shitty light cav to take out catapults and ranged inf can make all the difference in the world.

>>169921897
can you not deploy them on those ledges in the center? or are those bad?

>>169921670
>>169921831
>>169922060

God damnit Ivan you CANNOT DO THIS DELETE ZHEES TOUT DE SUITE

>>169921472
It happened, though. It's canon, insofar as anything in Games Workshop lore is canon.

>>169922112
no you can't, it doesn't allow you to deploy troops there it's totally blocked off. There's literally nowhere on the map where you can get an angle to shoot the enemy without shooting your own men in the process

>>169919248
>put everyone in defensive testudo in a deathball in the coliseum
>scout equites hiding in the woods outside town
>wait until fatigue sets in and skirmishers have thrown all their javs and arrows into their own men
>charge out and win

senpai.

>>169921831
Demigryph knights is anti large so what did you expect

>>169921183
>a big retarded mess

You mean like actual history?

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After Isabella I'm getting this sinking feeling that Old Friend wont be anything that people expect.

>>169922249
this is stupid, but it did give me the idea that I should put all my missile units outside and let them flank with the cav, but the only problem is that they can't scout deploy and therefore I'd have to run them out of the city and hide them in a forest and it's no guarantee that the AI wouldn't track them down.

In normal settlement defenses with 4 units, I used that strategy to a tee. Put the 2 melee units in the arena, put the archers and the cav outside, and used them both as a flanking force.

However, the dimensions of that strategy change considerably with an entire stack to manage, there's no way I could sneak all of those units out of the city without being seen, it was hard enough to get the one archer out unnoticed

>>169922326
>Demigryph knights is anti large
So are the grail cucks

>>169921776
>>169922087
jesus christ you are a fucking crybaby. Maybe you should grow some balls and testudo it out like a fucking man instead of crying about how hard the map is to defend because you are too shit to defend any settlement that isn't perfectly catered to your one inflexible method. You are playing fucking attila for fucks sake, a tw game with fucking easy settlement defenses thanks to retarded mechanics like impact damage.

Maybe a strategy game like total war isn't for you

>>169913934
Let's go.

>>169922442
Harry the Hammer. Joseph Bugman.

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>i wonder what happens instead of End Times if you play as Chaos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZELBOkAd8w

DAMN. WELL AT LEAST I DONT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO KISLEV FOR HIM

>>169920961
The Chaos Dwarfs exist because a group of Dwarfs in the far eastern mountains of Mourn survived the waves of daemons who washed over the world after the collapse of the warp gates but only by making a pact with the god Hashut. Their physiology is naturally resistant to magic and Chaos, so by using magic their bodies turn to stone.

>chaos garbage

Okay so you want evil dwarfs who aren't chaos?

And the reason the Dark Elves exist and are edgy is because Morathi worships Slaanesh in secret, later lore had her be a worshiper of the underworld Elven gods who are almost as dickish as the Chaos gods. She is a bad person and Malekith turned edgy so his followers turned edgy.

None of this should be hard to understand.

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>I really think "Old friend" will be CampaignAdvisor Senpai

>>169922526
>hur dur he's right and I have nothing to contribute to this discussion so I'll just shitpost and call him bad, as if he's obviously not better than me and merely seeking a discussion on advanced-level defensive techniques, a conversation he's too stupid to contribute to

Thread used to have actual good players in it, now we just have retards like you looking for a quick power trip "winning" the internet argument or some stupid shit, stop responding to me you fucking retard

>>169920013

You seem upset friendo

Seems like this game actually has a korean following, wasn't expecting that

>>169922463
you are not understanding what I wrote. don't think, just follow directions.

>put everyone in defensive testudo in a deathball in the coliseum

everyone. everyone in the coliseum. nobody needs personal space, nobody needs to breathe when there are barbarians at the gate. pack the fuckers in with the infantry, toward the back if there's room and you feel sympathetic.

>>169922704
That would be boring as fuck

>>169922783
this doesn't solve the problem of not having anywhere to put the missile units

>>169922778
stop responding if you're a warhammer pleb with nothing to contribute kthx

>>169918827
That is fucking beautiful.

>>169921776

>No it's not. A regular town defense involves a literal town square with walls and 3 entrances, one of which can be blocked off with a barricade. You can then actually put your fucking missile units on the walls and actually use them effectively, unlike this absolutely garbage settlement.

Ranged units rarely decide town defense, unless you get lucky with skirmishers.

>That's a cute pipe dream, but they never actually attack the barricade, they specifically avoid that route and go for the other 3.

You've still taken the number of chokepoints down to 3.

>This is the sort of strategy that'll end your game with maybe 20 kills on each of your missile units. Meanwhile in literally any other defensive settlement I can rack up almost 500 kills with a single archer unit because THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FUCKING WALLS WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

The most important thing is to prevent the enemy from wearing down your testudos, or hitting your cav as they hit the moshpits. Taking out their ranged inf is important. And what the fuck do you do on a normal map, just sit there plonking with arrows and never trying to hammer and anvil? My cav or flankers are always the ones with 500 kills unless they attack a skirmisher barricade.

>This might be effective if there wasn't another stack coming into the map,

OK, that fucks things up, but you could try hiding infantry in the forest away from their path of approach, and as you say, all you have to do is wait longer to pull off the same strategies.

>Face it, this map is a pile of dogshit no matter how you look at it

God forbid there be a defensive map that makes victory marginally more difficult for the already hugely advantaged defender.

This map is great just for the last stands you can get in the arena.

>>169921086
>5 to 1
>is now 30 to 1

kek

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>Bretonia's finest

>>169922907
alright, you're hopeless, do whatever you want senpai. I can't spell it out any clearer than pack everyone in the coliseum

>>169922716
>seeking a discussion on advanced-level defensive techniques

Multiple anons have given you advanced-level defensive techniques, and all you have done is bitch and moan about how you are to shit to carry them out. If you can't defend a fucking minor settlement with an entire army, you are worse than a Warhammer shitter. If you can't hold a town against 2 stacks with an entire army you should just stop playing total war, as it clearly is too advanced for you

>>169922704
As who? LL? for what faction? Chaos?

>>169922907
>this doesn't solve the problem of not having anywhere to put the missile units
I think he's saying to not use missiles at all.

>>169922782
Koreans is the only asians with good taste, unfortunately

>>169923164

>Chaos

Of course not, he'll be a Vampire lord.

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Lmao
>she shouts "for Vlad" when charging
Truly best girl

Someone needs to make a mod that lets you get cannons and musketeers and boosts peasant morale if you have low chivalry. Ideally have industrial equivalents of knight recruitment buildings that lower your chivalry.

>>169922951
>Ranged units rarely decide town defense, unless you get lucky with skirmishers.

They're the second most important unit behind the scout equites. If you're not getting at least half as many kills with the archers as you are with the cav, you're doing it wrong and obviously I have some stuff I should be teaching you and not the other way around. The archers are a massively crucial part of siege defense on every other map except for this one

>You've still taken the number of chokepoints down to 3.
Which is one more than the two that every other defensive settlement allows.


The most important thing is to prevent the enemy from wearing down your testudos, or hitting your cav as they hit the moshpits. Taking out their ranged inf is important. And what the fuck do you do on a normal map, just sit there plonking with arrows and never trying to hammer and anvil? My cav or flankers are always the ones with 500 kills unless they attack a skirmisher barricade.

My cav generally have over a thousand kills. My archers sit anywhere from 400-600 because I'm actually good and know how to use missile units when there's actually a strategy to be had, but there's no strategy to be had here in this god forsaken fucking settlement

>OK, that fucks things up, but you could try hiding infantry in the forest away from their path of approach, and as you say, all you have to do is wait longer to pull off the same strategies.

You should be able to easily tell in my screenshot that they're approaching from the forested side of the map, meaning I can't hide anything in there.

>marginally more difficult

Exceedingly more difficult by at least 2 or 3 orders of magnitude. This is barely preferable to an open field battle.

>>169923013
shit strategy to have to resort to for such a shit map

>>169923110
> If you can't

let me stop you there, implying there's ANYTHING you shitters can do that I can't. I guarantee I'm better than all of you.

>>169923298
which proves my point

are the wood elves TOO passive now? they sat for like 7 turns with a poopoo army raiding them, literally blocking their armies in the settlement and didn't declare war


>>169922704
krellllllll

>>169923630
Its like VC needs more LL's.

>>169922907

>come onto twg looking for advice on how to cheese-win a town defense on the ONLY map in Attila that isn't basically an autowin
>have a complete fucking sperg out when you aren't spoon feed said cheese
>proceed to camp in said thread e-fighting anyone who (you)s, calling every one else a shitter

Ok friendo, enjoy your day

>>169922442
It's gonna be fucking Konrad

>>169920961
>civil war make them edgelords?
civil war didn't make them edgelords, the edgelords just waged war on the regular elves and lost.

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>>169918827
VIVE LA FRANCE

>>169923730
>has no response
>can't merely agree
>has to sperg out and get the last word because he can't just accept that someone has a legitimate beef with no decent solution

Is there any point to using unmodded Grail Reliquae apart from the looks? Stats seem really awful for only a 40m morale buff.

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>>169921205
>>169921147
>>169921268
Goblins on dogs?
Attack dogs?
Big Ass Orc generals?
Bats?
Squig herds?
All the other borderline stuff I'm forgetting about?

>>169923630
They seem to take longer to confederate at least. Or maybe thats just my imagination from playing Bret and actually seeing how they handle their early turns
Later on they're still terrifying to see running across the map though

>>169922782
>>169923354

China and Korea both have TW followings, China more for older titles, Korea more for newer ones.

Japan doesn't have one because PC gaming isn't big there and because Sega region locks steam games to not be playable in Japan, that's right, a Japanese company makes their games unavaiable in japa.

>>169923624
>b-b-but m-muh missile units

adapt and overcome, you got dealt a different hand so play what you have you ungrateful shitter

>>169923508
There was a guy that was working on something like that before Bretonnia's release. The people in /twg/ hated it for ignoring the lore, but I was interested in it, a kind of French revolutionary feel. I hope that guy is still working on it.