/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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1st for Aurora, best space 4x on the market.

Civ 6 is fine.

what is the civ vi update for

Paradox dropped the ball with biologic and synthetic ascension.

>>169900538
nobody knows

>>169900596
Scrap and mutants BTFO

>nerve stapling
It's like you don't want your slaves/livestock to suffer.

>>169901593
A happy slave is a productive slave.

>>169901593
>>nerve stapling
>its like you dont want your slaves/livestock to suffer
more like i dont want to deal with them rioting 24/7 and pushing for "equal rights"

>>169901764
>not crushing their hopes every few years

>find ivory on tundra
Fuggen wooly mammoths.

>>169901948
>wasting precious Human lives just to stop filthy xenos rioting instead of making them docile and obedient

>>169902367
It's no fun.

>>169902467
>fun
>not productive
eww

>>169903404
>stellaris
>minmaxing
eww

>>169903484
thats not minmaxing its just about not wanting to manage the little shits so i can focus less on inferior xeno scum and more on the status of my beautiful Human Empire

>>169903956
>playing as humans

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>>169904315
>playing as Xeno scum
you have to go back

>>169904609
Playing as imperium is the most unimaginative thing you can do in stellaris.

>>169904818
DESU most of my playthroughs are as xenos... im just joking around
>aka: "i was only pretending to be retarded"

>>169900156
Is this the dwarf fort of 4x?

>>169902126
I want a mod that actually makes them look like mastodons when they are in tundra. The idea of an alternate history where they survived tickles my fancy.

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>>169905325
Who gives a fuck ?
Its a great space 4x, its all that counts.

>>169905427
You say space but all I see is text.

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>give shit to Firaxis for the Australia DLC
>reinstall Civ 4 and Caveman2Cosmos because you faggots keep reminding me about that wonderful bloated mess
>time to pick civ
>instantly go with Australia

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Will races who go for bio ascension run to the machines to save them from the Psionics sacrificing them to their gods or to the Psionics to save them from the rise of the machines?

>>169905604
And what is between the text lines?
Space

Checkmate atheists

>>169905604
Look closer.

>>169905732
>Play C2C on gigantic map
>Doing good, halfway through modern era
>Have trouble playing now because turns literally take 5 minutes.

There is some perverse pleasure in trying to navigate that bloated mess but my patience is wearing thin.

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>>169905964
HAK HAK HAK

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>>169906559
Fuck off space nigger we're full! you can crash on the moon though

is there a way to cancel district and build in a different spot?

>extreamly adapatable
>have +15 habitability
>.. a new species is born

Fuck off niggers, it wont get better

>>169905325
Yes it is.
You will need a similar possibly greater level of autism and masochism to truly appreiciate it, and it's mandatory fractal spreadsheet micromanagement.

>yfw the neo-species event chain is fucking retardy

>>169906380
>Play C2C on gigantic map
>Doing good, halfway through modern era

Jesus what speed are you playing on? What's your playtime? I could barely make it to sedentary living on the speed below marathon, fuck microing hunters

I'm still feeling like Biological Ascension is really weak compared to the other options. You probably won't even feel any real difference in your empire until you reach the very end of the Ascension path and even then the bonus will only be slight.

Wasn't there supposed to be a warscore in Civ 6?

>>169904609
fuck off back to /tg/ neckbeards

>>169908392
Destroy it with a builder.

>>169910369
My comp could never run that shit,l I just play on a smaller map just for that

>>169910276
>"why the fuck are the neohumans revolting, god dammit! "
>voting rights: primary species only
Well, they just had to declare themselves another species entirely, hadn't they?

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EL got a new DLC, time for purest love!

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That's just great, you plonker. You could've done that for the best part of the last 100 years but nooo, you had to wait until the FE became AE (and its fleet Superior instead of Equivalent) to decide to prod them in the balls with a fukken taser.

Federation blues, anyone?

>>169916696
when did EL become Korra

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>>169917638
It always was.

>>169916696
muh vagina

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>>169917476
>Being in a Fed

I suck at Tropico.
Please give me basic advice, El Presidente.

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>>169917835
>>169917476
Is it possible to create something like The Federation of Planets in Stellaris?

>>169917476
Cancel federation
RUN AWAY

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>>169904609
>>169904818

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>>169918408
Exports. Sell off everything you have.

>>169918408
MAEIK TENEMTEN

>>169918408
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU27pkw21nk

Don't be afraid of getting debts.

>>169918625
giddy up

>>169916696

I've been meaning to play this game but I'm a pirate, the latest expansion was cracked but not the patches that followed and didn't want to play without the balance fixes. See that this new patch got cracked by a group called plaza on extra and includes everything. I have seen releases from them before but never tried them, is this ok to download?

>>169920089
>is this ok to download?
Probably not. No legit scene group cracks patches, it's always some noname Russian or Chinks that load it up with malware.

>>169920214

But it's from a trusted uploader and I've heard of them, just never tried one of their releases.

Fuck it, I'll risk it.

>Grenadier (mercenary)
>fire power increased from 4 to 18

Looks like Cossacks 3 FINALLY made the mercenaries interesting.

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>>169918607
Contrary to what one would expect, 10 years later they still haven't done anything. And they've been belligerent since becoming an AE. Tbh they'd be attacking 80% of the galaxy at once so picrelated maybe? Who the fuck knows.

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>spawn right next to Fanatical Purifiers
>its an arms race from the kickoff
>fortunately I am xenophobe/ militarist/ materialist myself so I can keep up and deal with constant war
>almost two eons of bitter fighting and mutual purges pass
>eventually I come out on top with half their shit and the other half "liberated"
>apparently the only people that dont hate us for our genocidical actions against each other are ourselves
>I give away some systems that havent purged yet and a research agreement to stay competent on the future wars
>we begin by starting dismantling the next door xenophile federation
>their fleet is larger but no match for our weapons, developed through generations of constant bickering with each other
>I feed them more planets, since they are pulling their way, opinion points through the roof, and so we continue our genocidical rampage
>"ha ha look at those silly pacifists coexisting happily"
>"haha yes, lets kick their asses"
>"we would never live with you, vile beasts"
>"haha, its not like we like you either, joke of evolution"
>"ohoho, now you've done it, backwards ape"

How do I tell them
I cant keep pretending anymore

>>169921981
Sometimes when it's me versus the rest of the galaxy at once I wonder what could have been if I never turned on my defensive pact allies once I outgrew them.

>>169921981
Wait was the liberated empire still Fanatical Purifier?

>>169924097
You need F. Xenophobe / Militarist for Fanatical Purifiers.
He's Xenophobe / Militarist / Materialist so any empire liberated by him wouldn't be Fanatical Purifiers.

>>169924097
Nah, they are just "mildly xenophobe genocidicals" now

>>169924884
>mildly xenophobe
What???

>>169921981

Awww :3

If I start as an Oligarchy, research Synths, get a Synth leader and then switch to autocracy will I always get Synth lheads of state from that point on?

>>169925708
just plain xenophobe you dingus

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>decide to try out a new early-war strat I read about on the PDS forum
>spawn next to an early start empire with 3 planets which rivals me
>find another empire which also insta-rivals me
>beat up both of them, take 4 planets (including their capitals), leaving them with shitty 2-3 pop no-spaceports makeshift capitals
>both are effectively dead for the rest of the game
>all of it done within the first 20 years

Jesus Christ. The stupid thing is this war strat is not even smart, and the only reason it's not used by everyone is because it's so counter-intuitive. But now that I know it's objectively the best it really cheapens the game for me.

In case you're wondering, the strat is just to mass base level corvettes with no upgrades. Because they're so cheap in maintenance, you can go up to x2.0 your fleet limit and still be affordable. Any kind of higher level equipment (even weapons) are not worth the cost increase. That tech tree you have access to? That's all a trap. The only tech that matters is the spaceport one, since it allows you to build corvette assembly yards.

I'll probably continue this game and see how long this type of fleet can carry me. But my guess is this objective the best fleet composition until you can mass cruisers.

I just got the the AI revolution chain for the first time
I have already started dissmantling anything with screws
I have to remove sentient AI from ship cores dont I?

>>169927102
>I have to remove sentient AI from ship cores dont I?
No

Is VI good now?

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>>169927148
You are trying to trick me, dont you

>>169927260
it's playable

>>169927327
I'm not.
Your ships don't rebel funnily enough.
I suppose the AI running your ships are all bloodthirsty warmongers as apposed to the Synths you're using for slave labour who have more sophisticated personalities so your ships just don't give a fuck.

>>169927493
The sectors will completely fuck up trying to figure out how to create more organic pops to cover the empty mining slots wont they?

>>169927908
>The sectors will completely fuck up
Generally yes.

>trying to figure out how to create more organic pops to cover the empty mining slots wont they?
Organic pops just grow. I can't imagine even sectors can fuck up your pops having sex.

>>169928352
The planets need more food now for reaching max pops, meaning the sectors need to demolish buildings to make more farms

>>169928454
Ah.
Yeah you're probably fucked.

>>169900156
muh nigga

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r8 my empire
>can't burn down Carthage

>>169929245
>real world mao

For what purpose

>>169926829
I'm not sure whether to call that smart or retarded.
Spaceports are supposed to be early fleet killers, right?

>>169927345

Ok, I'll give it a shot.

>tfw people keep shitting on it and recommend V or older instead
>fucking sick of V
>the older ones have square tiles which make them literally unplayable for me

VI is the only choice.

>>169929245
>margem sul
moroccan/10

>>169930342
Protip: if your enemy has multiple planets, some of them will not have spaceports. If you crush their fleet and invade one planet of a 2 planet empire, you get 80+ warscore. If you invade 2 planets of a 4 planet empire, you get 100 warscore. You can use this to take their homeworld and permanently cripple them for the rest of the game. They never recover.

That's by far the most economical way, but if you spam hard enough you can also beat spaceports. You should be strong enough to do so after following the above strategy.

>>169930667
Well yeah, that's what I usually do except within fleet cap. With your strat you just render spaceports useless so you can just roll over them and not anchor outside their capital catching strays after you capture the first/second planet.

So, I have spawned next to fanatical purifiers. Should I get ready for war and launch a pre-emptive strike? How likely are they to attack even if I forty myself?

Any good mods for Civ 6 come out yet?

>>169932992
>good
>Civ 6
Pick on.

>>169932992
YnAMP and R.E.D. mod pack

>>169886175

No anon, it was an actual written event window telling me that my donated scientist contacted me and sent the secret of Living Metal over and now I can research it

Don't be a smartass and make dumb assumptions

>>169933348
Have you played it since the update? It's better than Civ 5.

>>169926829

Perfectly possible on normal difficulty but on insanity you will barely get one after 20 years. If they are advanced they become just unbeatable during that time gap.

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>>169933458
Better than civ5 with the brave new world expansion pack?

>>169933864
yes

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>>169900156
>>169905427
>>169905604
>>169906157
good thing I have this collab image at hand

>>169933924
>>169933458
nigga they made like 2 ai adjustments and 1 tech tree change

>>169926829

I dont have the game now with me but you could try one thing. You said you go for the peripheral planets for the warscore while leaving the capital spaceport untouched. Could you try this strategy on insanity/aggressive to see if its possible? I used to not colonize early game, rival and build at least an outpost in the richest system I could fine to stuck up on mining stations then actually upgrade the corvettes and go straight for their capital. I works but you need to reinforce the fleet after the first clash and build the army afterwards (it takes time).

I fear leaving their main spaceport unattended will cause them to reinforce faster.

>yay, game discussions that fucking matter...

>>169934989
And that's all it took to make it good.

>>169935510
no, it isn't
lategame is still a boring drag, half the units are still non-existant for AI and the game still looks like shit no matter what you do with it

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>>169935760
I haven't had a problem with the AI having an incompetent military. I think it looks better than 5

oi dont die

Well, well, well, seems like the Big Bad Bully of the Galaxy just became the Champion of Freedom

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>>169941462

>>169941839
>Noldor
Are you using the elven namelist and the expanded elven hair colors mod?

>>169941839
Always great to see the lesser powers acknowledge your big dick status.

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>>169932992

I use Take your time X 5

They come in various multipliers (X2, X3, etc) and there are seperate mods for both the civics and the science research trees.

I was happy to see these since the ridiculous rate at which tech advances in vanilla Civ VI is simply game breaking.

I decided to go with X5 fir both science and civics. So far I'm having a lot of fun.

Still need to test out 2X and 3X to find a balance that is just right

>>169942718
Looks like you're on your way to a time victory.

>>169942340
There is one?
I just name my planets, which with my 24 worlds, is already becoming a pain in the ass

>>169942718
>1140 AD
>Iron Working
>Brazil

Seems about right

>>169942718
>they finally try and do something about clicking next turn next turn next turn with nothing happening ever
>shitters make mods to """"fix"""" it

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>>169929245
>not naming your cities after real-life Roman equivalents
Come on, anon.

>>169946004
>conquering everything in the Mediterranean
what a meme empire

>>169933991
>Filthy Red
BETTER DEAD THAN RED!

>>169930667
>>169930879
Spaceports are supposed to be tough? I've basically laughed my way through them since day 1.

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>>169933991
>all ships are spherical

>>169930667
>you can take planets you haven't invaded

I love this warscore meme

beyond earth did it way better

>>169946956
>meme
Not him, but what exactly is "meme" about it? If your opponent has let's say 8 systems, and you have invaded 6 of them, why wouldn't you be able to demand a system you haven't invaded (assuming you aren't demanding full annexation)?

>>169946956
how fucking dumb is it?
>want to conquer planet of empire A
>empire A is allied with B
>invade all of empire B's planets
>get 100 warscore
>suddenly get planet of empire A that I want
>never even touched A

>>169947403
This is good
>>169947436
This is bad

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>my enemy has ceased two of my planets
>my northern fleet (which is twice as large as his) is locked in a system with 6 gorillion mining stations for months

>>169948218
>arbitrary borders keep you from moving for some reason

alpha centauri did it better

>>169948313
>>169948218
Borders shouldn't physically stop you from crossing space with your ships, but rather infringe a negative relationship with the Empire and its allies.

It's should also allow you to make a casus belli for war if you have closed borders with that empire (which is something that should be implemented into Stellaris, among many other things).

>>169946828
>people getting hung up about physics abstractions

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>>169949596
I'm not getting hung up, I genuinely like it. It has a nice hard sci fi vibe to it.

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>>169949908
>mechs
>hard sci fi
Good laugh.

>>169949908
Sphere only works with large ships (or at least a ship without humans). Cube or rectangle can get a better packing efficiency when it needs to accommodate square cargo or humans.
Rectangular ship might also have some advantages on propulsion depending on how it works

>>169950234
the smallest ship in aurora is still hundreds of tonnes

>>169948682
>It's should also allow you to make a casus belli for war if you have closed borders with that empire (which is something that should be implemented into Stellaris, among many other things).
Do you mean causus belli, or border closure?
Because border closure IS implemented in Stellaris.

If you mean causus belli then I agree with you entirely. I think bringing CK2-style CBs in would solve the peacetime boredom and grindy-war problem in one fell swoop. That's what most of your time in CK2 involved: manuevering your eugenic chesspieces in order to get a really BIG causus belli, while simultaneously trying to murder the chesspieces of the enemy's causus bellis.
Give me an extremely intricate and difficult series of hoops to jump through to let me claim half an enemy's empire, and I'll stop complaining that the other 95% of war claims are weaksauce.

>>169950431
Xenophobes should get CB on any planet that has their pops on it, like the Germans with Sudetenland did.

>>169950340
Aurora weights are pretty fucked, there is probably a 10-1000 modifier that is missing or TN materials make the ship lighter than it should be.
In real life 1000 tons is actually really small for a ship
A modern fighter craft might weight 40 tons, ISS is about 420 tons and a small warship like a US navy destroyer might weigh 10k tons with 150 meter length.
If you made either to be a sphere there would be a lot of awkward spaces for humans and cargo as both of those traditionally require a cube or rectangular storage area. Liquids could be transported very efficiently with spheres though, you see this with modern liquid gas transport ships

>>169951057
iss is made out of tubes, not squares

soyouz is a sphere

whats you're point? like I said that was for the small ships, the entire weight of iss packed into a spherical shell is quite a bit of space, and it only goes up from there

your argument is retarded, spherical ships are quite reasonable

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>>169949908
>>169950234
More IMO sensical than spherical ships would be long and skinny ships. That way you can mount huuuge coaxial weapons very efficiently, and you present the minimum possible surface area for the enemy to hit.

That's why in LOGH the battles are fought at ranges of several million kilometers, so extreme that enemy fleets look like little clusters of lights and that even neutron cannon fire (weapons which propel beams of particles to near light-speed) takes a few seconds to reach its target.

Obviously the artificial gravity is pretty unrealistic, but with cylindrical ships you could just spin them when not in combat to provide the crew with a comfortable gravity.

>>169951274
There are different reasons why those are built like they are, I was just pointing them out for the size comparison. A proper fighting vessel with armor and shit probably would be 10 times as heavy as stated in Aurora without some handwavium.

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>>169951426
>woulda coulda shoulda

they are spherical, and that's perfectly reasonable

>>169951667
>A proper fighting vessel with armor and shit probably would be 10 times as heavy as stated in Aurora without some handwavium.

>reading comprehension

hundreds of tonnes is the lower bound, a "proper fighting vessel" easily goes up to tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of tonnes

see >>169951673

>>169951836
which is still ridiculously low 10k tons is barely nothing, especially when considering how much shit you can put into that 10k tons

>>169950695
Yeah, ethos-specific stuff like that. I'd also be happy for them to be unlocked with technology or unity, now that's a thing.
I had an idea months ago that if you control more pops of species X than X's founding empire does, you can get a "We are the legitimate representative of the X people" CB that massively reduces the war points cost for the founding empires' planets.
So that'd give you something to do in peacetime too: breed your way to victory

>>169950431
It's stuff like the lack of CBs and the clunky genetics modding that makes stellaris feel unfinished. I shouldn't as a fanatic purifier be able to liberate xeno planets for instance. FPs should only be able to cede/cleanse. Xenophile individualists should have CBs to overthrow xenophobes governments. Slaver empires should have raid CBs. Etc.

>>169952032
>reading comprehension again

fuck off back to grade school

>>169950431
Casus belli of course.

Overall, types of war should be redesigned.

You'd have:
>Unrestricted Wars: Only available to Fanatic Militaristic Empires.
>Casus Belli Wars: Available to everyone but Fanatic Pacifists.
>Defensive Wars: Fanatic Pacifists are restricted to these.

There should also be a Casus Belli points system that allows you to rightfully declare longer/larger wars against an Empire (basically the more Casus Bellis you claim the more War Goals you can suggest to obtain).

Depending on you Ethos you should have multiple reasons for war.
Militarists get more Warpoints for their Casus Bellis.
Pacifists get less Warpoints for their Casus Bellis.
So and so.

Available for anyone should be:
>Empire breaks a treaty before it expires (breaking treaties should be allowed at the cost on Trustworthiness with everyone).
>Empire crosses your closed borders (the same as breaking treaties).
>Empire tries settling planets within your borders without a Colonies agreement (You should be able to settle planets in other empires territories with a special treaty/they're your vassals).
>ETC.

>>169951673
>damage control
nigga wut? That was my first post in the thread, just adding my 2 cents to the discussion. Calm your tits, anon.

Spherical ships on the scale shown in >>169949908 don't really make sense from a practical standpoint, but I'll give you that they look pretty cool. Of course, if your spacereich got to Star Wars-tier scales you would probably want to build your gigantic ships as spheres so they don't collapse from their own gravity.

If you really like spherical ships you should check this out:
http://baencd.freedoors.org/Books/Empire%20From%20the%20Ashes/Empire_From_the_Ashes.htm

>>169952145
Are you retarded?
a 500 ton Aurora ship would realistically weight at least 10 times much in real life. It's not even hard to see why that is.

>>169952373
>a 500 tone ship would realistically weight 5000 tons

you're a fucking retard, fuck off

>>169952352
>don't really make sense from a practical standpoint

but they do, you literally don't have an argument

>>169952518
how retarded are you?

Take your fanfiction to some forum or something

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>>169952518
long and skinny ships:
>efficiently mount large weapons
>present minimal face to the enemy
>can be spun to impart artificial gravity for crew comfort

spherical ships:
>efficiently deal with gravity if built at extremely large scales

>>169952985
>memory of a goldfish

>>169952985
The main advantage of spheres is they don't need to orientate themselves in battle if you build them with perfect symmetry. No time wasted on coming about or positioning, no blind spots that can be exploited. Probably better for remote attack drones than vessels for carrying people.

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>>169953071
Whatever nigga, I was hoping to have an autistic debate about spaceship shapes but if you wanna just mindlessly shitpost instead I'll leave you to it.

>>169953237
Now that's just retarded, there is no reason to carry weapons you can't point at the enemy. Turning should take such a tiny fraction of time compared to getting in position in the first place that it makes no sense to try to save on that.

>>169953237
the main advantage of spheres is that

A. they have the highest surface area to volume ratio of any solid, i.e. less armor needed
B. they are the strongest shape, less internal supports needed for the shell

they are not impractical at all, they are not particularly aerodynamic being the biggest disadvantage but it's a spaceship, even if it needs to land the power of the rockets we're talking about outweigh the disadvantage

>>169953510
>landing a spaceship
That's what shuttles are for.

>>169953237
>The main advantage of spheres is they don't need to orientate themselves in battle if you build them with perfect symmetry.
You'd still need to bring your weapons to bear though, unless you use missiles or something. Spheres might be good for space fighters though, if they have their guns and engines on separate swivels they could be pretty damn maneuverable even in a vaccum.

>>169953510
> they have the highest surface area to volume ratio of any solid, i.e. less armor needed
Better to not get hit at all IMO, or to present a minimal face to the enemy which you then armor the living fuck out of... Or both. A needle-shaped spaceship could have a both tiny and heavily armored profile.

>>169953273
there isn't a debate to be had, the original statement was

>all ships [in aurora] are spherical
implied
>and that's really cool

then a bunch of retards jumped on it like it was some kind of outrageous statement, and you're claiming they are cigars because they should be cigars, but you've probably forgotten that already

it's not a "spheres vs cigars", it's "they are spheres"

>>169953386
Enemies don't always obligingly approach from the direction your main guns are pointed. Nor do they conveniently stay in the same place when you come about to put them in your sights.

>>169953679
again these fucking retards
>Better to not get hit at all IMO
as if that changes that the ships in aurora do get hit and do have armor

>>169953556
they are strongly implied to land in spaceports and for expeditions, I guess you could imagine a series of shuttles, nothing really goes against it either

>>169953679
>You'd still need to bring your weapons to bear though
No that's what I mean about perfect symmetry. No orientation is needed to bring your weapons to bear or put them in sights because they are already in your field of fire regardless of the direction they approach. Such a design though is why I said autonomous drones would be better because I don't think you could design a ship that carries people in such a way.

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>>169952985
>>can be spun to impart artificial gravity for crew comfort
How?

I've seen it done with circular segments of ships and spherical ones though centrifuge, but not how you suggest it.

>>169953703
they aren't spheres though (well besides in your own fanfic)
spherical ships just aren't practical within the size categories of Aurora besides for larger civilian ships like tankers

>>169953707
There is no dogfigting is space, if you are surrounded you have already lost and building a meme sphere with guns pointing everywhere would be really retarded.
It's simply better idea to build 2 ships and have both of them shoot at the same guy than glue 2 ships together and have one not use it's guns.
Spheres have a lot of advantages but mounting guns to every side isn't one of them

>>169953995
>they aren't spheres though
>spherical ships just aren't practical
but they are, you are a retard

>>169953703
>you're claiming they are cigars
No I'm fucking not, I'm responding to your claim that they have a "hard sci-fi" vibe. Holy shit, I don't give a fuck about Aurora. I've never played it and literally all I know about it is from screencaps ITT, but if people as autistically belligerent as you enjoy it it's probably a shit game.

>>169953847
>as if that changes that the ships in aurora do get hit and do have armor
>implying this is fucking relevant in the slightest

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>>169953903
>achieve gravity by spin
>spherical shape
>centrifuge

>>169954036
You are pretty retarded if you can't see why sphere just isn't practical for anything but large transports like tankers

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>>169953903
>How
By spinning the cylinder...? What's so difficult to understand about this?

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>>169954060
>>implying this is fucking relevant in the slightest

it is relevant because it's the topic of the discussion

you'd know that if you had read a single fucking post, go up the reply chain if you want to feel stupid

>No I'm fucking not, I'm responding to your claim that they have a "hard sci-fi" vibe.
and how do spherical ships not have a hard sci-fi vibe?

>>169954307
Because artificial gravity you nigger

>>169954227
the other guy is pretty retarded but so are you, the cylindrical ships could have something like this
>>169953903
as a habitation module attached but spinning a low radius circle for gravity is just a bad idea on many levels

A rectangular or cylindrical ship is about as realistic as you can get for a space warship but they wouldn't be spun around like that unless they were fuck huge in which case the sphere might even be better.

>>169954358
gravity in aurora is more likely provided by the rocket acceleration due to the speeds involved

>>169954227
now that's impractical for a thin ship because of the spin gradient, you'd get dizzy when your feet spin faster than your head, a large sphere would be wider and have a gentler gradient

there's a reason that cylindrical designs typically use a larger ring for artificial gravity instead of just spinning the whole ship

>>169954358
a bloo bloo

>>169954307
>it is relevant because it's the topic of the discussion
No it fucking isn't. You said that spheres are "hard sci-fi" and I replied that in my opinion cylinders make more sense and then you pulled out "damage control" out of fucking nowhere when it was the first post I even made. I don't fucking care what the ships in your shitty game look like.

>and how do spherical ships not have a hard sci-fi vibe?
That's the topic of discussion, go up the reply chain if you want the answer to this.

>>169954407
>so are you
For having a slightly different opinion on a topic utterly irrelevant to anything in the real world? Nice to see you have no perspective on reality there anon.

>>169954090
you are pretty retarded if you think they are impractical

all you've given are non-reasons

>>169954407
>>169954596

>the sphere might even be better.
Can you even into physics you cunts?
A sphere has a the same angular velocity on its entire surface but for different radius every parallel to the "equator"
Centrifuge is directly analogue to radius which means it would have different gs as you move on the vertical axis, ranging from 1G to 0
Not only that but the force would be vertical to the axis of rotation, not the surface, which means for every parallel except the equator you would get a force in angle towards the "floor"

200 hours on Stellaris
75 hours on Beyond Earth

How autisitic am I? I just keep coming back to these games while i know they are bad.

>>169954739
it is, this whole discussion exists because I said that ships in aurora are [factual statement] spherical

then idiots like you said they aren't because you, personally, think that they shouldn't be because of [insert fallacy]

if that's your first post it just proves you are a retard who saw a word you didn't like and responded to that with no understand of what was actually being talked about

tunnel vision is a genuine symptom of autism by the way

>>169954873
> 459 on Stellaris
> 139 on Beyond Earth
git gud

>>169954793
all that means is that the middle deck would have more gravity and the outer ones less

so you'd have habitation on the outer ring of the middle and other systems elsewhere

>>169954596
gravity by acceleration is pretty bad idea (+ Aurora ships don't continuously accelerate anyways but get to top speed pretty quickly thanks to TN meme materials)
It's mostly a bad idea because you have to make sure every room works in both directions of acceleration, making it pretty good for small crew exploration vessels like a ramjet idea that keeps accelerating but for a warship it would be very bad idea.

>>169954739
I mean not understanding while a thin tube can't be spun for gravity is pretty retarded imo.

>>169954765
t. retard

>>169954793
t. retard as well

>fuck huge in which case the sphere might even be better.
Notice the fuck huge, something like a sphere is only needed for freighter type ships which don't need any armor and only really care about surface/cargo space ratio and would have very little actual habitable space compared to the cargo holds, which all could be located on the belt for easy gravity as well

>>169954926
>still thinking aurora ships are spheres after getting proved wrong

>>169954926
>then idiots like you said they aren't
I never once said this, literally never once. Go through the thread if you don't believe me. I don't know anything about Aurora, and your entire autistic rant is based off this (possibly deliberate) misinterpretation of my post. With reading comprehension skills as atrocious as yours I can only conclude that you were too dumb to get past the third grade.

>>169955049
>I mean not understanding while a thin tube can't be spun for gravity is pretty retarded imo.
Whatever nigger, "thin" is a relative term but this thread is full of mouthbreathing mongoloids tonight who aren't worth reasoning with.

>>169955049
aurora ships don't follow the laws of physics, they have a distance/second speed that increments each tick

that's obviously a game mechanic

>gravity by acceleration is pretty bad idea
no it isn't, and whether you think it is doesn't change that

>something like a sphere is only needed for freighter type ships
[citation needed]
>don't need any armor
spheres are better for armor because
>only really care about surface/cargo space ratio
spheres can have their armor protect a larger volume of internal systems than other shapes

I don't know why I am even bothering explaining basic shit to an idiot

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>>169955029
No
Its completely impractical

>force players to use sectors
>they eat up 25% of your income on top of wasting a LOT of the potential of the worlds under its command

any mod that removes the fucking 75% income limit?
>b-but muh ineffiency
They modlelled that well enough with the RETARDED AI, we dont need that shit on top of it

I just feel obligated to point out in this discussion that in the Night's Dawn books, all spaceships were spherical because the FTL field was both spherical and fucking expensive to expand, so you wanted as much ship in as small a spherical radius as you could get.

Carry on.

>>169955325
All reasonably sized warships would be way too thin to be spun for gravity. I mean if you have a warship with literally 10 million crew then sure go ahead and spin.

>>169955431
It literally is and I just explained to you why, warships could be accelerating into pretty much any direction or even stay still during combat making the whole thing a clusterfuck for anyone on board if the gravity was provided strictly by acceleration. Meanwhile it's actually pretty swell for something like long range transports, exploration ships and civilian ships which have the luxury of only going to 2 directions, forwards or backwards.

Sphere is bad for armor friend, you have maximum cross section exposed to the enemy meaning you have to protect at least 50% of your entire surface area, a cylinder can easily get by with less than 10% when designed carefully.

You are just literally retarded.

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>>169955325
>all ships are spherical
>More IMO sensical than spherical ships would be long and skinny ships.

do you see the implication? you are making an implicit contradiction, i.e. a counter argument

you are the mongoloid

>>169955572
your brain is completely impractical

>>169955809
SMALLER ARROWS FOR SMALLER CENTRIFUGE FORCE YOU NIGGER

>>169955897
yeah so deck 2 and 3 would have smaller gravity

>>169955591
The 75% income limit doesn't represent "Money thrown into the sun due to inefficiency", it is how much of it goes to the sector's own coffers to pay for building upgrades. Which does actually happen - not well, because the AI is retardex, but still.

>>169956031
They can also buy construction ships and upgrade their own areas but obviously player would have done all that way before they get the chance to

>>169955705
>maneuvering
strap in for maneuvers, just like you would on a plane that's landing

>sphere is bad for armor
but it objectively isn't
a cylinder isn't bad either, but that doesn't mean only cylinders are practical

>>169956031
yes, except while im starving for energy because i dared to use my fleet, they are sitting on stockpiles of that shit with hundreds going to waste every month.

>>169956192
It's objectively the worst out of the basic shapes, basically all other shapes have a way to make their cross section less than 50% besides a sphere.

>>169956462
that doesn't mean it's impractical, it's just a tradeoff

you're acting like this one little insignificant thing makes it impossible to make a spherical ship, and that therefore the ships in aurora are not spherical, even though all calculations of mass and armor are based on spheres

>>169956727
Ships in aurora aren't spherical and the mass and armor calculations aren't based on spheres at all

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>>169956837
well I tried, retards can't be reasoned with

lesson learned

>>169957015
I mean I literally had to explain to you why sphere is shit for armoring and you thing anyone besides you is a retarded.

You can't be serious right?

>>169944391
Considering the Native American's didn't learn to smelt iron until after the Europeans reached the continent in 1492, I'd say that Brazil there is ahead of the curve.

So, Biological Ascension lets you rewrite your species DNA on the fly, Synthetic Ascension lets you turn your species into androids... what was Psionic Ascension again?

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>>169957075

>armor
>in space
>when gamma rays exist

>>169957207
>get blown the fuck out
>start to anime post
Just about predictable behaviour

>>169957251
Agreed, armor at all isn't actually realistic but since it's a game that was the universe the discussion was framed at.

>>169957191
Lets you lube your psychic asshole up and try out different old god dildos.

>>169957251
>gamma shields exist

>>169957368
Oh, is that it?

Shame.

I guess it stacks, thematically, with the Horizon Signal event.

>>169954358

>outside spins
>interior is on a gimbal
>???

soooo How do i demolish spaceport modules? I can overwrite them or destroy the whole thing, but cant find the option of just demolisihng a single module.
They surely didnt leave out such a basic thing.

>>169959135
>They surely didnt leave out such a basic thing
They left out a lot of basic things.

>>169959135
>demolish
ugh we don't destroy things here in Sweden

>>169959135
>They surely didnt leave out such a basic thing.
Oh sweet child

Haven't played Stellaris in a few months, gonna do a couple playthroughs before utopia with all the mods that have been updated and have new stuff. The star trek mod looks pretty good but I am not sure what race to play.

0-1 - Humans > UFP
2-3 - Humans > Terra Prime
4-5 - Cardassian Union
6-7 - Romulan Star Empire
8-9 - The Dominion

how close to the cannon universe should I stay?

>>169960075
Terran Empire, except you never lose to Klingons.

Your choice on whether or not Spock's reforms are reasonable.

>>169960075
Emperor Garak.
Do it.

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>Have extra planet modifiers mod
>Find a system with multiple planets with Giant Arachnids
>These spiders are potentially capable of interplanetary travel
The stone age primitives can have it.
I also found a living planet with hyper complex biomes/currents, that's pretty neat.

>>169960194
Terran Empire as in Terra Prime terrorists after the xindi attack or mirror universe terran empire? How do I become the latter?

>>169960283
It shall be so

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>>169935259
>Could you try this strategy on insanity/aggressive to see if its possible?

Just tried the strat on insane, and as pic related shows it was successful. It's still not easy by any stretch, however, as I used a super min-maxed build / set-up and had a very good start. The 1 spaceport empire near me had x1.5 my fleet limit when I had 3 planets and 2 spaceports, so you really have to fight hard.

They reinforce their fleet, but since they only have 1 spaceport it's only 1 corvette every 2 months. At that rate it takes years to catch up to your numbers. The biggest issue in insane is the AI's nonexistent fleet cap.

Want to play a 4x game for the first time, is there a recommendation pastebin?

>>169964465
a u r o r a

>>169965471

>Recommending Aurora to a newbie.

Shit, man, are you trying to run him off of Space 4x?

>>169964465

Try Distant Worlds, instead.
Okay graphics, tons of options, (almost autistically) deep immersion.
plus you can set most things to AI-controlled (and take over what you like) instead of micromanaging every single thing.
(like setting up which launcher will use which missile with which Fire-Control, individually for all the launchers in all of the ships - just for a start)

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>>169957251
>slavery
>in space
>when civs are technologically advanced for ftl travel

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>>169964465
endless, civ 5+, numoo are all fairly approachable noob friendly games

stay away from >>169966228 distant worlds until you have a bit more experience, it's really not much less autistic than aurora

>>169966603

>it's really not much less autistic than aurora

It's much more realistic than Aurora (IMHO) - which makes it way less autistic in my book.
About the only thing I like in Aurora better than in DW is the 'build your own tech tree' aspect: makes DW's research boring in comparison.

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>>169960283
>not emperor Dukat

>>169967119
>more realistic
>less autistic

????

distant worlds has a really terrible ui that's hard to learn, and it's so complex it plays itself by default

>>169967210

>really terrible ui that's hard to learn

And that's related to realism or autism ... how?
Also, Aurora isn't a champion in ui department either.

>so complex it plays itself by default

You can turn the AI-control on or off as you like.
And, srsly, do you really want to manually give movement & loading/unloading orders for 1000's of cargoships out there?
I don't.

>>169959135
As a matter of interest why would you need to destroy a module if you're not replacing it?

>>169957469
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-60-psionics-and-the-shroud.998827/

>>169966228
I happen to enjoy sending my task force to orbit the enemy home world at 200Mm, after having crushed their orbital assets. I enjoy giving the order to switch to high-radiation warheads. I like firing missiles into the the alien planet's population centers, until the world becomes an irradiated hellscape, and the shattered survivors have to struggle to get a radio surrender into orbit.

>>169967454
I'm not talking about civilians, which you can't control manually on any setting.

>>169967454
>implying you can manually control them even if you want to

>>169967210
Dw is not hard to learn. The ui is a clusterfuck but luckily you can ignore most of it. I think the only really autistic things are warship management and troop management, but thats acceptable.
Also research system is pretty unintuitive

>>169967717

Well, so do I.
Designing ships and then seeing how they work in battle is one of the more rewarding parts of the game(s).

It's just a shame that (>>169967824 >>169967853) in Aurora, you're basically the one that has to run the whole fucking economy by yourself.

Running out of Dandruff?
Well, you better build some miners & send them to work.
What? Civilian economy usually handles that? Not here!
Setting taxes? You gotta be kidding me! Who're you gonna tax? Yourself?

tl;dr Aurora (as it is) is a Communism-in-space simulator.
2/10 - will not (often) play again.

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>>169968189

>>169966487
> Current Year man still at it in 2317

>>169968189
aurora is basically distant worlds without automation, I like it better that way

>>169968189
Well thats true of all 4xs and all city builders. Well except dw but in that game its the opposite cos you cant do shit.
You can sort of make the abstraction that the civilian layer is not necessary

>>169964465
Civ 3

>>169968428

>aurora is basically distant worlds without automation

My point exactly.
And, don't get me wrong, I like lots of stuff in it - all of which is counter-balanced by the absolute lack of active & vibrant civilian economy.

>>169968616

Which is why I hate most of 4xs and all city builders.
But, then again, I'm (mostly) a Hawk-ish player: I like to blow stuff up.
Any way in which (lots of) these actions can improve my position (like, blowing up pirates, or competing cargoships or capturing mining stations for the greater good of my people - and more taxes) is a-ok in my book.

So: different folks, different strokes, I guess.

>Get a free alien pop because event nomads
>Strong
>Natural sociologists
>Fleeting
>Arid preference
>They infiltrated my Tropical World of Fanatic Xenophobe Decadent plants
>They're fanatic xenophobes as well
I'm not sure what they were expecting, but to me it's fucking hilarious.

>>169969187
>absolute lack of active & vibrant civilian economy

what did he mean by this? the civilians are more autonomous in aurora than in DW, they design their own ships, have their own shipyards, make their own colonies

>>169969224
Xenophobic Nomads and Enclaves don't make sense to me.

You'd think they would actively avoid interaction and giving stuff to other civilizations if that were the case.

I remember that in my current playthrough, I had an Artisan Enclave host a festival across my worlds, then some of them were like "we want to stay and settle in your planets", which I let them, and they turned out to be Fanatic Xenophobes that ended up settling in one of my sector worlds populated by robots and worker slaves.

>>169954873
Who the hell plays Beyond Earth? I straight up bought the expansion and I'm still disappointed.

Who was the idiot who didn't bring either Alpha Centauri's mechanics OR its lore into the game?

The best part of AC was the roleplaying and lore, they decided to scale back the lore to let you 'make your own story' and made it so piecemeal there was effectively NO story.

>>169967496
when you're trying to cut down your power use so that your empire won't go into recession

>>169969691
EA owns the AC trademark
Firaxis can't do shit with it

>>169969873
Don't mistake me, I'm not talking about a literal AC lore remake, but you need to have SOME form of story and idealogy in this game.

>>169969873
they could go "hey we want to make AC 2, wanna work out a publishing deal?"

>>169969691
>>169969972
it's stupid how litterally every faction is just a nation state or a collection of nation states.
sure having some different culture betwen them is good but it should be a hell of alot less obvious then calling them north sea alliance, pan-asia or franco-iberia

>>169970030
Bargaining with the Devil won't do you any good.

>>169969505

>more autonomous in aurora than in DW

Just as an example:
In one game I built 5 Terraforming ships, set up a Colony on Mars with 100 mines (along with 200 Automated mines on various asteroids) terraformed it into a perfect world - and the Civilians still had 0 (read: zero) ships built and functioning.

Oh, and: I get you (the player) need to designate Colonies yourself - no (major) issue there - but to mine asteroids as well?
Also, you need to design their ships, the shipyards are only designated as Civilian for maintenance, and (as I said) the player designated Colonies.

You must be thinking of Distant Worlds here - those are all features of that game.

>>169970129
That worked for normal Civ to be fair...

>>169970235
If I wanted normal Civ I'd PLAY normal CIv!

Half the appeal of AC was its crazy SF RPing.

Anons, I'm generally pretty awful at video games, so please stuck with me.

I see screenshots of stellaris pretty regularly of people with thousands of mineral production per month, reasonably early on, large fleets and very sizeable empires.

I'm just not sure how you do it. I'm about 80 years in my current game now and have ~23 planets, but the highest mineral income I've ever gotten was about +500.

The unbidden just spawned, and I can only support a 30k fleet with my current economy, so I feel like I've fallen very far behind.

tldr; how do anons into such a big economy/empire so quickly in stellaris? I've got 80 hours logged and I can't snowball out of control in games yet. Unless it's a baby empire, I very regularly have equivalent fleet power to smaller AI empires, even when going over my naval capacity. My tech usually falls behind as well. I've actually never seen an empire with tech marked as inferior to mine.

Pls help me git gud. Failing that, are there any decent and up to date resources I can read instead of bothering you guys?

>>169970235
yes but it's stupid and unimaginative when it's in space.
they should have done like in alpha centaur, like human hive was not just called China even tho it was pretty much that

I fucking love MoO's voice acting

>>169970516
>>
>Pls help me git gud. Failing that, are there any decent and
you're probably just not doing enough mineral upgrade research

>>169970232
then you have done something wrong

the second I put down the first infrastructure they started building colony ships and freighters, they put down mines all over the solar system after I surveyed it

in fact after your first colony ships the primary way that you should move things around is with civvie contracts

don't blame the game for your incompetency

>>169970516
> My tech usually falls behind as well.

This is your problem, right here.

It's very tempting to spam minerals and energy production in the early game, because these pay dividends immediatly in allowing you to build more stuff.
But it's a false economy. You wanna spam research in early game. This gives you advanced mineral extractors and power plants faster; advanced weapons faster (so your high fleet power comes from quantity, not quality of ships); and generally puts you in much better standing for the mid/late game.

It's the old "Linear fighter, quadratic mage" problem. Mineral and energy investment gives you better results short term, while research investment gives you shit results short term but MUCH better results long term.

Early game Stellaris tactics should basically be to suck as much xeno dick as possible until some big tentacled sugar-daddy is willing to give you a defensive pact. Then hide behind the threat of his fleet while you tech up like a bitch.

>>169970952
>exploiting the shitty research penalty system

why can't you have the decadence trait with xenophobe instead of just having it exclusive to collectivism?

>>169971078
Because traits are part of your species biology.
You can't take it with Xenophobe because your species wouldn't have access to ayylium slaves for 100s of thousands of years.

Basically, Collectivist ethos are the result of your species naturally needing slaves.

>>169933458
Fuck off shill.

>>169970934
>then you have done something wrong

Yeah: I didn't leave any slipway capacity left for them to build their ships.

Srsly?
The only way they can build their ships is on slipways I have to build?
They have no ability to build slipways on their own?

Add this to everything else, and you really get the picture that the Civilians in Aurora are too incompetent to wipe their own noses, let alone manage an economy.
You literally need to lead them by hand.

>>169971654
no they don't build ships from your shipyards

what version are you on? some ancient one from 2004?

>>169971772

Started at 6.something - now at 7.1.

>>169971856
then you fucked up, did you start a new game on a new database?

>>169971875

I always start a new game when installing the latest version of any game.

Also: yeah, if I fucked up somewhere, and Civilian economy in Aurora really beats it's equivalent DW Civ Economy in activity - I'd really like to know.

>>169941839
>>169941462
I managed to lead the federation to a stalemate after some 9 years of back and forth and signed two peace treaties for giving up only two planets

Not bad dare I say

Now I shall rebuild while the two AE coalitions are bashing each other

>>169972015
you did

like I said they will build their own ships and make their own mining colonies, and you can even get them to move stuff around for you with contracts, and the planets that you designate as receiving colonists they will colonize and build infrastructure on

they have their own budget which you can subsidize to make them build faster

>>169970952
>You wanna spam research in early game

protip: this man is a liar and you should ignore him. Tech doesn't matter and economy and map-painting is king. You easily catch up in tech later game simply by building 2 research stations on each of your planets.

Bigger fleets >>> advanced fleets. If you have a stronger economy you wreck everyone.

>>169972183

>they will build their own ships
Known - I only need to provide Design and (free) Slipways

>and make their own mining colonies
Known - only at the places I designate as Colonies.

>and you can even get them to move stuff around for you with contracts
Known - you have to provide them with Conracts.

>and the planets that you designate as receiving colonists they will colonize and build infrastructure on
Known - and, again, you need to designate them as Colonies.

So, you're really not providing any input.
What I'm talking about is a fully-fledged DW-style economy:
Civilians building mines and extractors and cargoships on their own - with no input from the player,
and going out and doing stuff on their own - with no input from player.
Your job (should you choose to accept it) is mainly to protect your own (and allied) Civilian Shipping ( which builds the economy and your taxbase) while taking out enemy (Pirate) shipping.

tl;dr when I take the time to manage 100 ships, I want to manage 100 warships, not 10.

And, please, don't talk to me about 1 part Glory to 10 parts shovelling shit - there's enough of that with warships.
Adding civilian stuff in there is merely increasing the amount of shovelling without any corresponding increase in Glory.

>>169972942
>I only need to provide Design and (free) Slipways
wrong, they will build their OWN ships, designs and all, independently of your shipyards

>only at the places I designate as Colonies
wrong, any surveyed body in the system they will drop mining outposts on

>you have to provide them with Conracts
yeah but that's a lot easier than designing and building your own transports, DW has nothing like this

oh and they'll apparently also extract fuel and you can use wealth to buy fuel for your military off of civvie tankers, once you have that tech

you're retarded and not reading what I'm telling you, are you just pretending?

>>169972942
also you are WRONG about distant worlds, in DW they need to use existing designs, if you don't automate this then they can't build anything

in DW they do use your shipyards, and take up slots from your production

in DW they will only send mining ships and not build mining stations independently

you live in an inverted fantasy reality

>>169973196
>>169973313

Welp, time to start another game of Aurora then - maybe I'll get to clarify your claims.

OTOH:

>>you have to provide them with Conracts
>yeah but that's a lot easier than designing and building your own transports, DW has nothing like this
DW doesn't need this, since you don't need State shipping there - it's all done Commercially.

>DW they need to use existing designs, if you don't automate this then they can't build anything
but that automation exists - which I've been arguing from the start.

>in DW they do use your shipyards, and take up slots from your production
true - but that's the only minus in DW's favour, and easily fixed by building more shipyards.

>in DW they will only send mining ships and not build mining stations independently
And mining ships are different from mining stations how?
inb4 asteroid miners

Thanks(?) for giving me a push to try Aurora once more - and fuck you on everything else.

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>>169923986
>be new so empire is small and silly militarist spiritialist
>local mushroom xenophiles think i'm kawaii and want to enter a defensive pact to watch over my scrubby ass
>eventually outgrow them massively and become the boogie man
>never ended the defensive pact because i feel i owe them and because i'd feel like a dick to screw with the weird mushroom people who just wanted to be friends

I'm gonna struggle to ever actually go full conquer because I feel bad about screwing with ayyys who aren't actively being dicks to me. I always end up trying to make a big happy galaxy of all the empires that think green numbers of me, even when they all hate each other's guts. At best I become the warmonger with his pet xenophile mushrooms.

>>169973591
>And mining ships are different from mining stations how?
Yes. Mining ships mines, and then go directly to the shipyard.
Mining stations don't move, and require a freighter to move the ores around, but they have a better output.

>>169973591
DW doesn't even have "shipping". In aurora the contracts are for moving facilities around. In DW I don't think anything like this exists, at least not that I can remember. They only trade goods, which they also do in aurora.

>but that automation exists
yeah, if you let it, the game can play itself entirely, which is a bad thing, on the other hand if you don't automate anything the game is even more tedious than aurora ever was

in aurora there is a clear separation between what civilians do and what you do, and you have to actually play the game, you don't have to give up control over your ship designs to have the civilians make theirs

>how are mining stations different from mining ships
mining ships have mining modules, stations you build with the construction ship, and then freighters dock and trade the resources
in aurora it is the exact opposite, they will build their own mining colonies but not any mining ships

the only thing about aurora is that they need to be triggered somehow, for me it was plopping down the first infrastructure on mars with my own freighter, then they started appearing.

sounds like you play with automation on, try turning all automation off in DW and you'll see exactly what the civilians actually do on their own vs what you are just giving up control over to have the AI play for you

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>>169972090
>fleet power of one of the AE is equivalent already
>warscore between them is still just 8


Jewish tricks always work

SOON

>Create a Very Strong, Industrious, Collectivist species with Plutocratic Oligarchy and an Industrialist ruler
>Start with +20 minerals per month on day 1

jesus christ. It's not even fair.

>>169901593
Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.

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Anyone else /smacx/ here?
(ignoring the fact that crawlers and popbooming are imba)

>>169975198
I never knew what alien crossfire actually added to the game

last I played it was difficult to get running even with the gog version

>>169977258
A few factions.
>sea pirates who makes cities on water
>hypocritical former drone who see nothing wrong with nerve stapling his own people
>two ayyys that are cheated

>>169977410
You forgot the loli robots

>>169977551
Tell me more.

>your battleship took 19 damage from an enemy crossbowman

A squad of crossbowmen did 19% damage to a modern battleship - who approved this bullshit?

>>169978838
*destroys your M1Abrams with triarii*
PROUD ROMANS ALL

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>>169979049
that's far more believable

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>>169979114
>a brazilian tank beat the abrams and the britbong tonk
Jesus christ america, it was made with off the shelves parts.

Challenger 2 best tank

So I finally started Alpha Centauri for the first time and it's really great. Emergent gameplay and storyline is the shit but I don't quite get some stuff.
When is it feasible to change your energy/lab sliders? Red numbers scare me quite a bit and I find steady income really useful for rushing production and buying tech. Am I shooting myself in the foot by delaying my research in 50/50 setting?
How do I terraform? It's confusing as shit. Just unlocked tech that let's me gather more than 2 apples from a tile and my fuckers were running around automated planting forests and shit and it's taking forever to tear them down. Are forests even worth it or should I try to plant solar and mines+darms in advance and wait for techs to upgrade them?

>>169964198
>Commonwealth of man retakes earth
Feels good

>>169977258
What smacx adds:

More wormlife
>Sealurks - mindworm submarines
>Spore Launchers - mindworm artillery

A few more facilities and wonders.
Some new mechanics like ship boarding.
A couple of new landmarks.
And some more parts for the unit builder.

Factions
>Pirates - sea based, broken as fuck
>Angels - probe teams, boring
>Planet Cult - pink Gaians
>Drones - shitlords
>Conciousness - loli robots (thank you anon for this based description)
>Caretakers - "good" meme ayys, broken af
>Usurpers - "bad" meme ayys, broken af

The best way to play smacx is to use the original factions with all the sweet new toys/mechanics.

>>169982825
Energy sliders can be left alone for the most part.
You should only need to change them to keep your income positive for a decent part of the game, until you've grown enough to start needing to divert it to psych to keep folk happy.

Terraforming in smac is the same as improvements in civ. And like civ it's usually better to control what gets put where yourself.
Forests are good, but limited for food. City facilities can make forests amazing though.
I like to have:
>Rocky tile - Mine + Road
>Rolling/Flat tile - (wet/moist) Farm + Solar + Road, (dry) Forest + Road
>Resource Tile - Anything that boosts that resource
>Every city gets at least 1 patch of forest (pref. more) for production (and a place to put sensors)
I don't mind too much if forests end up everywhere though, because they end up being great, resucing pollution, and giving you production if you do need to remove them.

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>>169981165
elaborate, that sounds funny

>>169984024
Thanks, anon. Gonna figure out the tech to get my forests give me more food I guess.
Just kinda fascinated by my giant sea colonies. At least when they are properly nerve stappled. Generally I like to play tall so specialised food/production tiles seemed the way to go after a while.

>>169979114
>posting this image unironically

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>>169948218
Dont forget
>ships are perfectly fine cut off from all forms of supplies for months

Truly a masterpiece.

>>169984496
Tree Farms and Hybrid Forest are things you're looking for.
They're both "build" (yellow) techs.

For tallness, you'll need to use either lots of coastal tiles for kelp farms, or lots of rainy flat/rolling tiles with farms on them.
Or abuse crawlers.
Condensers can help if you got stuck with the dry side of a hill somewhere or just want to max out the wetness of your farms (you'll need to unlock them with tech or own the Weather Paradigm wonder to build them).

Sea bases are kind of broken though, they can get so huge and turn into massive output fountains.
This is why the Pirates snowball like a mofo.

>>169985301
in stellaris they do suck up an ungodly amount of energy in the field though

>>169984071
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/osorio.htm

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>Psionic allows you to mind-control other pops, have incredible Shroud interactions and ascend to become God-Beings of Light
>Synthetic gives you +40 lifespan at the start, and eventually turns your entire empire into immortal machines that produce +20% research, +40% minerals/energy, and can colonize literally everything

>Biological gives you +7 traits, a tech everyone could always get anyway, and hyper-expensive traits which you'll probably only be able to grab one or two anyway

Why is Biological getting shafted so fucking hard?

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>>169985406
And ?
Im talking about fuel, ammo, spare parts, food for the crew etc.
No matter how cut off, your fleets in Stellaris are always in 100 % combat readiness without once needing to resupply and rearm.

Remember the guy who settled next to Shaka Zoulou and said "bitch please, I know what I'm doing"?
What happened to him?

>>169986196
He died. Bad.

>>169986186
what amiga game is this?

>>169986276
Seriously? Is Shaka Zoulou that bad?

>>169986186
and without needing to transport it, your shipyards always have access to the entire mineral supply of the empire

it's just how the game is

>>169986306
He is the guy who gets mad when anyone complains about anything in aurora. Leave him be

>ants is still not on GoG

STELLARIS GOT UPDATED

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>mfw reading this diary


https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-63-synthetic-and-biological-ascension.1002382/

>>169986756
OH?

>>169986670
ants?

>>169986996
Haa, nevermind. It's just 16,3 MB. Probably not the big patch.

>>169987002
All that talking about Kuro made me crave for a good insect strategy games, but Steam and GoG have nothing, and the only one so far, Empire of the Undergrowth, is still in beta.

>>169986956
Modular people were based

>>169986756
>>169987091
it's just steam updating

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>>169986624
>>169986624
>it's just how the game is>>
Because its a shit game.

>>169986306
>>169986627
Who let you fags in here ??
>complaing about game looks in 4x general