path of exile

Is edging myself while playing with one hand ethical gameplay?

Manifesto any minute now.

third for unethical builds

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>Enjoy the challenge of Hardcore
>Suck at the game too much to play it
I love taking my self-made memebuilds through the game, but probably only 1/4 of my characters make it to maps in one piece. Hell, the furthest I've ever made it in an HC league was level 85, and I've been playing semi-regularly for 4 years. Should I buckle down and keep going on LHC, or give up and become a SC player?

>>169123774
kicking a ball is not soccer any more than american handegg is

you cant derive any of the arbitrary rules from "just kick the ball". because they are man made with no relation to anything mystical about the concept of kicking a ball itself

im asking is:

if you think ethics are real, show me a SINGLE little empirically observable phenomena that backs it up

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>Its unethical to play PoE

guys what do i do

>>169123893
Was there another normie shooting?

>>169124476
Its unethical to play games meant for little children when you are old enough to use this website

>>169124307
I'm exactly the same and have only ever killed regular Atziri.
I despise the constant increase required in clear speed, all the blade skills and always rely on the same skills, lightning arrow, cyclone, IB, fireball mainly.

I feel like when reaching 85-90 in the first week of a league I had enough, usually get enough currency to do something stupid like an assassin build, then quit.

I dont like to see what the game has become at high level with millions dps dots builds or stupid shit like cyclone discharge clearing every pack instantly.

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>3.8 GPA
>mid term exam tomorrow
>haven't studied one little bit for it
>been shitposting here and grinding maps instead

I want to die

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>>169013451
>FREE
>>169025510
>free
>>169043037
>free
>>169058561
>free
>>169074003
>FREE
>>169077883
>free
>>169082910
>free
>>169099197
>free
>>169110671
>free
>>169112752
>free
>>169120718
>free
>>169122396
>free
>>169123397
>free

>>169124982
i a-free-ciate you

>>169123004
They might be excluded just from picking the "wrong" class, the "wrong" ascendancy, the "wrong" skill, and so on. They might be excluded because they cannot afford build-enabling items, Vinktar being an obvious example but only one of many.

The point is that some skills, mechanics, or builds scale exponentially instead of linearly, or are "game breaking" well beyond their original design. This is obviously an issue game balance wise, if you can acknowledge that, you can acknowledge the issue of actively condoning their use, which has a practical impact on the economy since the meta dictates the economy.

And we're back at point A, which is one of personal morals. To say "I will continue to use this gamebreaking mechanic as long as it's not patched or fixed" is to perpetuate the mindset of putting others down so long as it furthers your personal advancement. Thus, unethical behavior.

It's a multiplayer game, not a solo offline one. Your actions have consequences the moment you participate in an economy, interact with other players in any form in-game, or even speak about your build in a public platform.

>>169124307
That's a decision only you should make, do you want use to hold your dick when you take a piss? No one is instantly good at PoE, it takes time and dedication, if that's not for you then play shitcore or D3.

ummm first of all i was instantly good at poe

Example of an ethical build:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnT_Oqw76l4&feature=youtu.be

m-me too

show me your demis then

>>169125152
>>169125152


What determines what a player picks? Knowlegde of the game? Skill?
What determines hwo much currency can a player make? Luck? Knowledge of the game? Skill?

You are trying to imply that there is some kind of innate privilege in being able to get rich in 2 weeks. And this is where you are mistaken; other than the privilege itself of being able to spend time playing video games (which all people who play them have), it all comes down to rng and knowledge of the game. 2 things equally accesible to everyone.

You yourself said the game should reward you for being good at it before.

Your weak argument about the meta being enablist applies to all online games every, good players get ahead, bad ones less so. But any bad player can become good if he choses and has the patience to (unless p2w is involved, and in this case its not)

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>mfw poopsocking autists living in their mom's basement and who have never contributed anything positive to society try to argue about ethics on a mongolian horse breeding village

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Reminder that this woman is NOTHING MORE than an overly talkative Onahole, and that being pierced by Malachai was her one true proper purpose.
she only lived to be penetrated, and it's what she died doing.

i hate when mom forces the ''contribute to society'' meme in her argument.

>>169125961
post youre contributions to society


here's mine:

*unzips*

>>169126065
yeah, more like "contribute to the growing pockets of your capitalist overlord oppressors" am I right?

>>169125701
That's honestly not too bad for a brick.

I died on normal melicai ;_;

I think if i took three health potions in instead of 2 i would have lived.

I'll never be good at this game.

Is using PoB unethical since it allows me gain unfair advantage over those who dont even have Path of Exile?

>>169126456
Why play hc before you git gud?

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO rate my build pl0x



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>>169126614
I'm not playing hc.

how do I make a good build

>>169126702
shit/10

Is this game still super intricate when it comes to best gear?

when it was still new the top streamers were picking items that were like white quality items with certain gem socks with little or no stats on them I think, it's been too long, vs stuff with stats

>>169126948
its a bit more intricate than your average d2-like arpg, but thats not saying much

>>169126702

While i find your build HIGHLY ethical, i don't believe you would be able to progress much with it.

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you guys are just gonna meme "ethical" into meaning shit builds arent you

>>169126948
no once you cut all the chaff its pretty simple

generally it comes down to good rares and a few uniques

the intricacy comes when you need to actually buy the items

>>169125735
There should be 2 main determining factors in player success: player skill and player wealth.

Bad players who somehow become rich through dumb luck or RMTing, should afford powerful, expensive builds and succeed to an extent. If they do not RMT or happen to be extremely lucky, it should take them a long time to achieve the same point as better players.

Good players should be successful either because they can scale a weaker build intelligently, or possess the trading skill to snowball their economical advantage.

So far, so good. Now, what happens when even good players with a good knowledge of the game understand from the start a certain combination of skills or mechanics is going to hit a wall very early and no amount of currency fixes it? Build diversity becomes an illusion.

The crux of the issue is not so much that bad or poor players/traders are exempt from accessing the more powerful, gamebreaking builds in a timely manner. It is that some builds are quite literally incapable of reaching the level of power others do, even with massive currency injected into them, because skills share the same design space. This is the same Fireball/IcE Spear/CoC issue. If the game content is to be balanced in a way that only a handful of builds can succeed, then build diversity as a whole goes down the shitter.

The consequences of supporting unethical scaling and mechanics are multiple and far reaching, beyond even just the overall balance of skills and builds. It also affects current and upcoming uniques, it doesn't take an expert to know that something is going to be either broken and vendor trash simply because of the existence of unbalanceable, unethical, cancerous mechanics.

You're trying to defend this from a player skill angle, when player skill is becoming less and less of a factor. Or is hitting Vinktar and instantly leeching back 10k ES a skill now?

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1837150
Manifesto

if you can make a build that takes skill out of the equation then its a good build

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1837149
the REAL manifesto

>>169127775
>Over 100 unique items have been rebalanced, with a focus on improving underused uniques that didn't have a strong role in the game. We've tried to make sure that all uniques either have a positive impact on leveling characters, act as a good item to wield when first entering maps, or have a defined role for end-game characters. We've got more changes coming in future, but we've managed to make changes to a significant number of older uniques.
nice

>Some unique items that converted elemental damage to other elemental damage types have had their conversion values lowered, to increase the opportunity cost of total element-to-element conversion. Converting spells to other damage types was so easy with Pyre and Call of the Brotherhood that it compromised elemental identity for many skills.

>nerfing cold skills

>Mana has been added behind Mind over Matter, allowing for those builds to be better than ever before.

>Leech effects in the Shadow area of the tree now leech from all attack damage, not just physical attack damage.

WHAT THE FUCK
BLADE FLURRY?????
nerfed?
NERFED????
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>>169128049
>Pyre nerfed
Well there goes my league starting build out the window

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>>169128156

>Master of Force, the physical cluster in the Scion area and Ash, Frost and Storm, the elemental cluster in the Scion area now grant a small value of reduced reflect damage taken of their type.
Nice, AFS is now a literal +2% max res cluster

>All Threshold Jewels now require 40 of their chosen attribute to be available in the area, and no longer require it to be allocated.

The allocation bit is actually a pretty big deal, at least for some intelligence spots.

Some unique items that converted elemental damage to other elemental damage types have had their conversion values lowered, to increase the opportunity cost of total element-to-element conversion. Converting spells to other damage types was so easy with Pyre and Call of the Brotherhood that it compromised elemental identity for many skills.

B A S E D
A
S
E
D

>>169127597


>It is that some builds are quite literally incapable of reaching the level of power others do, even with massive currency injected into them, because skills share the same design space.

Bad game design is not a players fault. There is a correct way play arpgs: kill as much shit as quickly as possible. Any other way to play them is RP.

If skill is not a factor in being able to determine how to build well or not, then what is? Wealth? You yourself admitted wealth is only subordinate to skill.

You believe that some other build having higher numbers than yours makes it unethical because of your own inferiority complex, as i said before.

If your build does all you want it do, why do you care if some other build is better? If it doesn't, it means you dont understand mechanics and/or are bad at making currency so that you are clueless about the game.

You need to stop projecting your inadequacies in this game and blaming it on wealth, bad gems, meta mechanics, etc; and accept that pretending every build should be equal is your own personal form of roleplay to justify your build choices.

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>All staves have had their block values increased. Previously, staves granted either 12% block chance or 18% block chance. They now grant 18% and 20% respectively.

JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS LITERALLY WHAT THE FUCK DO I BUILD NOW
HOLY SHIT
OH FUCK

GOD DAMNIT WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO

glacial hammer melee splash meme might be coming true

inquisitor infernal blow finally fun

>>169128773
>Bad game design is not a players fault.
No, but condoning it is unethical. I tire of repeating myself. You're intent on avoiding the main point and trying to shift the topic to one of personal player skill, rather than one of global balance where one's skill has a chance to actually become meaningful.

It's really not about some builds being better than others, it's about some build limiting the design scope of others. Power variation is healthy as long as it reflects player skill or wealth variation.

Until you can understand your condoning of gamebreaking mechanics has negative consequences over others, either directly through the economy or indirectly through admission to GGG you're fine with the status quo, then arguing with you is pointless.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Callinellus_Malleus
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Brine_Crown

+ tidebreaker


rate my build

All sources of "Increased Radius of Area Skills" have been replaced with an increase to area. This means that rather than the area of the skill increasing exponentially as the player invests in the modifier to area scale, the radius gained per point of the stat will be lower and lower as heavy investment occurs, similar to diminishing returns. Many old radius increases that have been changed to area increases provide a higher numeric value to compensate for this change. The goal of this change is to make investing in the size of your area skills to be less exponentially rewarding the more you invest, so players don't feel like they need to gather every single point of area radius to reach their character's full potential.

As an example of how this change will work, the map mod that granted increased radius of boss skills previously granted 40% increased area of effect radius, but will now grant 100% increased area, which results in approximately the same increase to area.

As many lower level skills don't have as high a base area, they will now receive an additional flat bonus to radius at certain levels of the gem. An example of this is Blight, which gains +1 area radius every 5 levels of the gem.

All values of curse radius and aura radius were doubled when converted to curse or aura area size, to result in a similar change.

As another notable change, Melee Splash now gains significantly more increased area than it did increased radius as the gem levels, bringing it much closer to equivalent area skills.

THIS
CHANGES
EVERYTHING

>>169129371
how's that
I don't see much here that affects it

>>169129621
wait fuck tidebreaker is 2h
thought it was 1h
fuck

>>169129749
>As another notable change, Melee Splash now gains significantly more increased area than it did increased radius as the gem levels, bringing it much closer to equivalent area skills.

Probably this.

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly was your planned build wrecked by those balance changes?

>>169129718
>As another notable change, Melee Splash now gains significantly more increased area than it did increased radius as the gem levels, bringing it much closer to equivalent area skills.

It's happening! Rabbi Wilson clearly wants me to build a Vigilant Strike Juggernaut using Tidebreaker.

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>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
>Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.
Vaal Discipline no longer grants any bonus energy shield.

How will CI babies survive end game content without their life flask now

>>169129931
dunno desu, they only nerfed vaal discipline in my build

>>169130134
good idea

now shitcrows can't abuse it to get away with playing <100% ES builds

>>169130134
by using regular discipline to round out their ES to a nice even 20k

>>169130438
>he didn't already use both normal and vaal discipline

VDiscipline is still retardedly strong given a large enough ES pool, it's hard to fear anything when your uninterruptable 5k ES recharge/sec has started, the loss of the extra buffer is a nice change though and goes a long way in bringing down ES builds to a more acceptable level

>>169129931
1hand sword&shield bf poison gladi.BF nerfed but sword damage up and pathing seems better so i guess not so fucked.

>>169130536
>He doesn't hire a Chinaman to follow him around with a Guardian running 11 auras and an Occultist running 6 curses.

>waaaah one skill did too much damage with x item conversion
>waaaah another skill did too much damage with another x item conversion
>waaah one skill did too much damage with poison
>NERF EVERYTHING

why can't GGG just fucking balance those specific cancer builds instead of killing everything. this just keeps on happening every patch. removing double dipping altogether will yet again kill a billion builds that need it to do _viable_ damage, just to kill a couple of cancer builds.

So when do we get the Tree Changes?

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Is blade vortex pathfinder still viable?

>whoa all those changes are pretty good and a step in the direction
>better enter my whining bitch mode because it's never good enough

>>169130536
>he doesnt use blightwell and soul strike to simply have constant instant CI regeneration
>doesnt alternatively use VP/GR to instantly leech his entire healthpool back in a single hit

what percentage of builds was vortex
i doubt it was high

>>169131203
wednesday the 1st, most l;ikely

>>169131215
how would anyone know without the values

>>169123529
nice general OP, faggot

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>>169130134
ES IS GARBAGE

BTFO
T
F
O

>>169128725
>Call of the Brotherhood nerfed
That's just sad

They have killed this game with the area change. No one wants to fucking kill one or two enemies at a time like 6 years ago.

>>169131394
What's your IQ?

>>169131312
those rings were used on other builds as well. the damage conversion has been OP forever. use hrimburn.

>>169131478
147

>>169131394
No one wants to fucking kill one or two enemies at a time when there's also ten times more enemies now*

>>169131394
It's the same exact as before, except with diminishing returns once you enter Carcass Jack shitcore territory you stupid moron. Melee Splash was actually buffed

name all of the builds you think you pyre and we'll add them up and compare to flameblast

>>169131514
Try reading over the AOE changes again then.

none of you know what vaal discipline was changed to and you can't stop hyperventilating

>>169131529
Namelocking will never be viable, unless they let you hold down your mouse button and it automatically keeps targeting new mobs.

>>169131608
?
It no longer grants extra es, nothing else needs a change, all the change is written right there

you know that vaal discipline stops recharge delay right
so if you take away the es that is what it does

>>169131529
>Melee Splash was actually buffed
for the 4th time in 5 patches.

you have no idea the ratio of the AoE changes so maybe keep your stupidity localized.

>>169131312
Why would you play with cold damge if you could get FREE ignites?
And why does GGG think that colkd is now less shit because it became more expensive to convert it to fire? Fucking cold does nothing on normal monsters, because they die in one hit and it does nothing against bosses because they are freeze/chill resistant.

>>169131529
It isn't though. They're rescaling things so they keep the same area as we have now, but removing the ability to scale past the base AoE in any meaningful way. Think about running EQ with no inc AoE gem or nodes. That's what you have to work with now.

>>169131608
They said the ES buff was removed, not reduced.
Removed = Changed to 0

Or as I like to say "nothing". Maybe some of this will make it through your retardation.

these vaal haste nerfs make no sense. it wasn't even that strong

it was used by everyone and they don't want that
it will also slow down clear speeds a little

>>169131608
Are you an idiot, anon?

>>169131729
yep, still seems pretty fine on 10k ES build.

>>169131568
if only there were some gem that converted cold...to fire...

>>169131825
THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN

>>169131745
>You have no idea how good or bad it is so you should start being a whiny little bitch like me
impeccable logic, what builds struggles to scrounge AoE before, do you think it was skills with innate AoE scaling or Melee Splash? one was nerfed rightfully and the other was buffed rightfully, I don't see the issue here

>>169131825
that's why it was on roughly half of builds yeah it sucked

>take builds that don't dominate anything
>now add a new gem requirement
meanwhile in flameblast land

>>169131897
>I don't see the issue here
i don't understand what you're saying. enjoy viper strike .

>>169131758
Are you retarded?
>Many old radius increases that have been changed to area increases provide a higher numeric value to compensate for this change.
Point for point, the values are the exact same. All it means is that getting both Templar and Witch AoE clusters is less useful now which is GOOD and barely affects melee builds that only pathed to Templar in the first place, the change is obviously targeted to spellcasters rather than melee.

the most likely scenario to me is that they overbuffed cold damage in 2.6 for attack builds and they're preemptively shitting with cold to fire conversion due to internal testing

>>169130740
Also,that unique Renegade shield (Broken faith i think) seems perfect now that it got buffed,i just hope it drops easily.

>>169132107
FB gets hurt by the AoE.if you have this serious of a problem with FB being meta you should quit now.

>>169132258
>internal testing
no such thing at GGG

>>169132275
>Unique Items
>Unique League-specific items
>Dropping easily

>>169132107
Inquisitors lost 30% crit on their dagger implicit

>>169132258
>most likely scenario
>>169132258
>internal testing

lol

>>169132445
diamond flasssks

>>169132160
Are you?

Each INDIVIDUAL increase is roughly the same but because of scaling multiple sources are worth less. Mark my words, any skill that needed AoE in the past is officially garbage. That's nearly every melee skill and most spells. Time for bow league.

>>169132392
Well,this one also drops from their unique strongbox AND from the boss in Overgrown Shrine(or was it Ruins,the T15 one).

http://www.strawpoll.me/12388328

IMPORTANT POLL

http://www.strawpoll.me/12388328

>>169132107
Flameblast is done. No AoE FB feels like shit.

>>169132258
hey, but ice's best feature was that it only took one item to make them a fire skill!

and then another 2-3 to convert it almost entirely to chaos

though really, shitting on their conversion will only make ice skills less attractive unless they're also planning to completely overhaul freeze/chill (and everything in the game being largely immune to them)

>>169132623
>. Mark my words, any skill that needed AoE in the past is officially garbage.
>>169132623
>Time for bow league.

yyeah those dont use AoE ever.......

screenshotting your post for three weeks from now

>>169132623
>Mark my words, any skill that needed AoE in the past is officially garbage.
Melee skills don't path to both the Templar and Witch AoE clusters, you're fucking retarded. The hit is a significant nerf to spells, not EQ as in your example where the change should be negligible if a change at all if they increase the base AoE

flip off

2.6 will be the same as 2.5 but with EK nova madness meta

SCREENSHOT THIS

>>169132692
>Flameblast is done
sure man. word MARKED

Could elemental ST work with ranger side of the tree buffs

>>169132691

>75% sc

nice general poetards lmao

>>169132731
Tjey shpuld just remove chill immunity from bosses and just have it be less effective on bosses like temp chains.That way you still get your bonuses from Hypo for example.

>>169132871
keep makin shit up capt. expert

Someone get an Iron Commander and a pair of those boots.

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>>169132898
>EK Nova
>Only 20 projectiles

>>169132753
Many of the top bow skills don't get increased AoE.

>>169132871
A lot of them get AoE from one of those clusters, the gem, and Slayer if they go that route. Now you can choose only one of those sources.

>>169133026
Yes and use howa

>>169132153
>enjoy viper strike .
sounds pretty viable now that Shadow has global attack leech and Unholy Might from a single jewel you faggot

how many projectiles does your skill have

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>he's not going tidebreaker heavy strike stun build in 2.6

>>169133185
pretty sure the intent is to make that even pathing to Templar is no longer considered mandatory if you're Slayer

how's that an excuse for whining you tell me

Stun immunity is a common:
>Map Mod
>Magic Pack Mod
>Rare Monster Mod
>Is present on a sizable number of Unique Mobs

>traps

>>169133368
>single target skill

I was going to go wands, but maybe I'll do another staff build since they are intent on giving me FREE stats.

>>169133254
viper strike jewel was a nerf. Sin's Rebirth exists. No one cares about unholy might

>>169133254
sounds game breaking

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

All I want is to play Ice Trap and have it be effective and every league since it was introduced it gets worse and worse.

>>169133541
+2% block from 18 to 20 is negligible, the +6% block on the lower staves is nice though, makes flora's gift a nice card to gather on day 1

They're changing the passives for staves.

>>169132898
I've been toying with the idea of Incinerate-CwC-(some projectile spell) using a Sire of Shards for some screen-filling Touhou-level silliness. Doing a spin-to-win with a pentagram of Incinerates is quite aesthetically pleasing. A 24 shot EK might be just what I needed.

and I want to play gc

will probably suck too, especially ssf

daggers are unironically pretty trash now, aside from enabling whirling blades, wands/scepters are superior and scepters still allow shield charging and ignite double dipping

fret not now all of those items you can't get won't benefit glacial cascade as much anymore

>>169128049
they nerfed "cold" skills. Hopefully the buffs make it worthwhile to actually not just convert it all.

>>169133569
everything has a cost, your 10 ex flask costing a flask slot has a higher opportunity cost than a single jewel slot

>flat accuracy on swords
about FUCKING TIME

>>169133718
Fireball obv. also get vaal fireball as secondary.

Should I even play the next league? Are the legacy leagues interesting enough for someone who didn't play leagues before 2.0?

>>169134138
>Vaal Fireball
Shame GMP just adds 4 Projectiles instead of 4 Projectiles per Projectiles like before 2.0.

this is basically a free shit fun league

>>169134237
probably

beyond, rampage, torment, tempest, anarchy are all pretty fun

it's more the idea that you can combine legacy uniques with current mechanics for some funky builds though

>>169134110
>10 ex
So like a day of farming?

i wonder if tempest will work like it used to or just be a random tempest

>>169134415
farming unnecessarily expensive items which can be replaced by a jewel is just paying the idiot tax

>>169134237
Eh, maybe. It'll depend on how retarded they are with the AoE changes in 2.6 before they revert them in the 3.0 beta.

this will be the worst league ever

almost as bad as the trash expansion3.0 changes

tons of free shit, softcore cucks get their tiny dicks slapped by big dong niggers

dumb balance changes nobody wants

no ES nerfs

garbage skills buffed

who the fuck cares about melee and especially onehanded

literally the worst league

"muh standard items in my bluecore league "

why not just play standard? they are LITERALLY implementing standard into the temp leagues by adding legacy items

worst league ever, GGG is trash and POE is also trash

^--this poster has hiv

>no ES nerfs
lol

>>169134772
Didn't you already quit the game PT?

pt will come back
when he does i hope people make him feel welcome
and by welcome i mean tell him to kill himself

AoE changes tl;dr:
If your skill used 0-40% AoE, marginal changes (equivalent to doubling total area)

If your skill used 40% and above AoE, expect diminishing returns

reminder PT has yet to apologise for his course and unwarranted language against GGG

>>169135058
Incorrect.

You can't extrapolate values like that from the example they gave and apply it to everything since the base radius of the skills in question matter.

>>169135058
>>169135326
Also, we don't know what the new values on the tree/gem will be. It's also likely they cherry picked that example to avoid having the player base freak out.

>>169135326
assuming no base radius, those numbers are correct rough estimates

>>169135460
Sure, but there aren't many AoE skills in poe with no base radius.

>>169134138
Freezing Pulse gets to 9 projectiles with a pair of its new threshold jewel. I might consider that also, depending on how nerfed damage conversion gets.

Or there's also the option of sticking Spark in there as well and fully utilizing Mastermind of Discord. Unless I wanted to go Deadeye for the extra +1 projectiles. Elementalist is probably more optimal, but Deadeye is definitely more silly.

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>>169135574

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>Melee Splash radius buff
Can you spell S R S?

>>169135668
>Deadeye for the extra +1 projectiles
You know pathfinder with dying sun does that thing better? I know it's expensive, but other bonuses from PF beat deadeye handily. Unless deadeye gets a major buff it's shittiest ascendancy by far.

>>169135831
You mean Summon Skeletons right?

>>169135831
I was thinking of trying SSF with SRS, might go ahead it with now.

i hate shit reddit summons
ruined summoners
try to get a shav's ring for your low life build tho

>>169135989
You mean Animate Weapon right?

>>169135983
I definitely considered that, but it's just too expensive for a silly screwing-around build. If it ended up working really well, it's something I'd look into for a respec.

>>169135831
Is SRS good? I thought they fucked it up with some kind of AI change a few leagues ago?

>Improvements to the Passive Tree
Largely irrelevant to my SSF build
>Elemental Conversion
Irrelevant to my non conversion SSF build
>Unique Item Rebalance
Irrelevant to SSF
>One-Handed Weapon Damage and Weapon Implicits
Irrelevant for my non-melee SSF build
>Area of Effect Changes
Irrelevant for my non-AoE SSF build
>Skill Balance Adjustments
Irrelevant for my life SSF build
>Changes to Existing Threshold Jewels
Irrelevant in SSF

>>169134772
I care about one handers because gladiator is fucking dank.

>>169136562
literally this

this is literally shitcore: the patch notes

>SSF
Irrelevant to eveyone

>projectPt
>Has confirmed autism
>sociopath without emotions
>terrible taste in everything
>very very very ugly
>shit builds
>slow builds
>talks like a mentally retarded person
>his viewers have autism as well and brigade on 4chan/leddit
>every single advice he gives is wrong and flawed, but he thinks he is the best
>trashtalks other players to no end
>forces "Solo Self Cuck" as hard as he can
>no quicksilvers, ever
>never won a race
>never does races properly
>doesnt know layouts
>dies all the time

>>169136754
you forgot
>complains about it on youtube every day

>>169134415
Fuck off
Explain how you make 10 ex in a day or stop posting here

>>169136550
The AI change made them slightly worse for focusing single target but better at spreading. There was also a recent change in 2.5 reducing the max number of spirits from 50 to 20.

I played it pre 2.0 and again in 2.5 and overall I'd say the skill feels better now. Less lag, you don't need Spell Echo anymore, and the build feels more mobile and smooth. Only the spread is worse which can sometimes feel somewhat bad in breaches if you lack minion speed.

Still excellent at clearing maps though, auto targets stragglers and they're considered flying units so they ignore terrain and ground effects.

>gets a degree in electrical engineering
>ends up in a poor yuropean country as a tutor
>turns into a game streamer
>rage quits the game he gets viewers for

>>169136550
The AI change made them better at clearing and worse at focused boss DPS.

I started with it this league and the spirits kind of got shit on by Breach elemental damage spam in higher maps. I had a lot of problems keep any minions up against it though. Minion life potions were mandatory, even after going lowlife.

>>169136754
so catshitter in a nutshell, except with twitch as his autism platform instead of poeg?

>>169133569
>adding functionality and damage to a jewel is a nerf

Kill yourself

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>>169133368
>single target melee
this isnt mount and blade lmao

>>169137202
>both play WoW
Basically; yes.

imagine conc effect on skills with limited base aoe

>>169137420
Might as well be Single Target.
Or in the case of Storm Call, it's Karthus' Q from League of Legends.

>>169129931
0, not even touched.

feels good to have super secret OP OP build

>>169137654
what's the secret

>>169133368
Is it even possible to stun bosses reliably?
Even with tons of reduced stun threshold you still need to hit pretty hard considering how much life bosses have

>>169137706
its shit

>>169129931
Buffed.

it's amusing to see uniques with interesting design like voltaxic or pyre ending up as collateral damage because players are faggots who can't stop abusing damage conversion

if i were pyre designer, i'd be pissed, here's a ring that lets your cold damage burn monsters to ashes, oh wait now it only converts 40% lol bye

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>Buffs to elemental and cold damage nodes near ranger
>Buffs to 1h and 1h nodes
>Leech effects from shadow area now apply to all attack damage
>Increased cold damage conversion for frost blades

All I'm seeing is that Frost Blades is going to become fucking ridiculous, and I'm totally fine with that.

>>169137760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdKHJ70sBNY
can stun everything in the game with proper setups and a necro aurabot.

>>169137946
frost blades is mechanically garbage though

>>169137760
it's possible to perma freeze bosses. So i would assume you can perma stun them too.

>>169137760
yes but it requires literally every stun enhancing mechanic in the game plus flask or auracuck damage buffing to make the single hits damaging enough

it can work but it's just too impractical as a build concept except for a reddit meme showcase video

>>169138057
Ur mum is mechanically garbage

>>169137921
>players are faggots who can't stop abusing damage conversion

you're retarded if you're blaming the players

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>>169136754
he's still a better player than you

>>169125987
She WAS a whore in Oriath to fund her thaumaturgical experiments. When she was emprisoned for that by Dominus, she had a talk with him and revealed the secrets of Nightmare and managed to get access to loads of resources from there

>>169137946
don't see how increased p2c conversion helps the atrocious single target damage

i guess you could use hrimsorrow and start using cold pen and frost bomb?

What is a good Bear Trap build?

>>169136754
>has confirmed autism

that's his brother actually

>>169137992
>>169138058
>>169138095
So it looks like another unique is going straight to the trash heap

Frostbreath hype!

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I was curious to see how this shook out at high AoE levels. Keep in mind we have no idea what the new values on the gem and tree will be, and even with the Templar and Witch clusters, a 21 Inc AoE gem, and the Slayer nodes you're only at 100%.

>>169138697
just because it doesn't work against the top end bosses with 5 quadrillion hp doesn't mean it's not a viable build concept for everything before don't be an idiot

>>169138829
C'mon man
Do you really consider a build that can't clear endgame viable?

>>169138747
there should be minimal changes below 40% aoe, reread the manifesto

(pi*140^2)-(pi*100^2) is roughly double (pi*100^2)

>>169137992
>and an aurabot
Entire build invalidated.

>>169138910
guess I'll just throw my decoy totem gem into the trash because shaper can't be taunted and level 4-94 doesn't matter

>>169128156
>CALL A WAAAAAHMBULANCE
Ftfy

>>169139014
>there should be minimal changes below 40% aoe, reread the manifesto
That's not exactly what they said. They said they were changing the values of that map mod from 40% to 100% to keep it roughly the same size. That's reflected in my table.

>>169139258
>he goal of this change is to make investing in the size of your area skills to be less rewarding the more you invest, so players don't feel like they need to gather every single point of area radius to reach their character's full potential.
I'm not GGG expert interpreter but I don't think the goal is to nerf +40% AoE (which is just the AoE gem itself) by 29%

I'm so lost
I literally don't know what to play next league anymore

>>169139014
They are keeping the radius the same by increasing the base radius of skills. The table uses the same base radius for the old and the new.

>>169139595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkgeai985rA

>>169139595
Just do what I do and don't plan anything and just make up retarded bullshit as you go.

>>169139682
That usually gets me to about level 50

>>169139460
You're not reading the table right. They're changing the values of the tree and gem, but they have not elaborated on what the new values are. I can't make a table that shows the new values until we have this info. What this table allows you to do is see how much AoE you need of the future values to have the same total area as you do now.

So you look at 40% for the OLD, and match that area with the NEW. You see the NEW increase % you need is 100. So if the patch notes come out and it's anything less than 100% on a level 21 inc AoE gem you know it's a nerf.

>>169139663
>Coldplay
Dank fucking meme

>>169139748
Oh, that make sense now, thanks

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should i go EQ or cyclone slayer for my league start

Cyclone

>>169140734
Neither. You need to make a projectile based build.

Does a separate essence drain set up solve CA's awful single target?

that's what most CA builds use, yes

wither totem + vaal light trap should be enough for anything but t15+ bosses though

>>169141445
Man, do you not know how to quote?

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>>169141147

why projectiles

Is peeing a channeled skill or projectile?

>>169141525
He's a "MUH AOE" shitter.
Cyclone and EQ are fine, most versions use very similar trees so you can just try out both.

>>169141519
lol
last time I'm helping you, cunt

>>169141525
Because we don't know how much the AoE changes will hurt.

>>169141445
Would swapping out Inc aoe for an essence drain be enough for t15+ in addition to the wither totem/lightning trap?

>>169141519
This isn't me, helpful anon.

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Wild Strike is actually insane for an Elementalist now, with 100% conversion and Mastermind of Discord providing a base 25% pen

Yeah, but
>Elementalist Melee

>crown of eyes

>>169141847
it has always been decent/good for pack clearing. less so for bosses

its problem (like with all similar melee skills) is that it feels clunky AF to use

>>169141993
retard

>>169141993
elemental sweep

>>169131215
Not sure until we know changes, but I hopped on standard with my BV PF from last league and it still facerolled shaper.
Best flask setup is probably dying sun, rumi's (even after nerfs, if they put legacy rumi's in reliquaries it will be amazing), quicksilver, taste, conversion vinktar. Swap dying sun for another vinktar for shaper/guardians.
Sits at about 10k ES, 60% block, does any content in the game, doesn't even use double dipping.

Yall suck at this

So they butchered blade flurry

No life changes
No CI changes
No ES changes
they fucked vaal disc in the ass
they fucked vaal haste in the ass

Like holy fucking shit wtf lol

I'm basically going to be doing the same fucking shit what the fuck uyou know ufck it I'm ma go punch a fucking teddy bear.

>>169142765
HoWA is going to be the only top tier build.

>>169142765
they still havent released the full patch notes you fucking illiterate 3rdworlder

Really excited for the new potcg Ice crash meta you guys

>>169142884
So far vaal spark will still be the fastest mapper.. but I'd be surprised if they didn't nerf it again

ggg didn't make the precise changes that i wanted so i'm going to buy diablo 3's necromancer instead

>>169142884
>Over 100 Unique Items have been rebalanced

>play unethical builds
>get nerfed
>cry
You reap what you sow

>>169142765
>So they butchered blade flurry
You don't even know that
>No CI changes
>No ES changes
>they fucked vaal disc in the ass
That's your CI/ES change you monkey

>>169143283
>by far the best current build gets buffed
>most other top builds get nerfed
>somehow think it won't be the clear best build

>>169143470
you have no idea if Vinktar is not getting dumpstered as well

there are various ways to nuke the current CI+VP meta builds without actually touching ES itself (such as the hilarious VDiscipline nerf)

A little help on a firestorm trap/ miner? How do I increase my defenses more?

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>poeplanner
I don't offer my insight to redditors

>>169143653
Yeah, even if HOWAA doesn't get touched, Vinktar's, whatever the tree changes are, etc. There's so many ways.
>Inb4 Vinktar's gets Nerfed to where it costs exactly 61 charges to use once
>Just so retards have to use Reduced Flask Charges Used mods from a Belt

>>169143873
I dont know what the latest one is butthe last one didnt update so I stopped using it and just typed in POE tree and this is what I got.

Also the only thing Reddit does better then 4chan is porn.

>>169144002
check the OP of the previous thread and use the offline planner linked there

Viper strike MoM Raider, here i come.

>>169144128
Why is poeskilltree still there? Path of building does skill trees and everything else.

>>169144359
using both and PoB has a poorer character sheet and no tree comparison as far as I can tell

basically I just plan with poeskilltree and import the tree on PoB to check the damage with jewels

>>169127446
thats already what it means

>>169143779

you are overdoing the mine/Trap nodes

pick to go either trap or mine and grab cloever construction and a couple other damage clusters and thats it

with how little crit shit you got, it seems rather pointless, better grab EO

>>169144128
>program keeps crashing
This is why I stopped using it. The first time I used it it was fine but then I swapped it out for an updated version and it never worked again. So I started using web versions but no those are bad for some reason.

>>169144954
poeg is an elite general for elite hc players
you can't use our elite tree planning tools, then you can flip off back to r*ddit

what SSF build are you all playing in 2.6?

I'm planning scion ancestral warchief with helm +1 totem for 3 totems.

>>169145148

>planning for BoR on ssf

how ethical of you

>>169145148
SRS probably, possibly ED

either Necro because the class is stupid strong or Scion for easy resistances nodes and Harrier is nice to have at level 6

>>169145229
It's good without BoR. It makes me have to care less about 5-6 links.

>>169145341
With how easy 5l are to get, it seems to me you are just a waifufag

>>169145229
BoR is actually very farmable in a SSF context, just spend a few hours farming cruel/merc Grand Arena

hardly something unobtainable in the grand scheme of things

damn 2.6 changes aren't enough for me. Gonna be boring build wise.

>>169124307
>enjoy the challenge of hardcore
>disconnects and game freezes kill my character every time

>>169145787
Gladiators with life on block are lag/disconnects immune, only strong degens and bursty damage can realistically kill them

Reckoning + lgoh
The Surrender
Aegis
The Anvil

any of those and you can afk in breaches

>>169145741
you dont even have half the changes yet

>>169145741
If they buff cold spells and 1 handers by a lot we might actually have new builds. Of course if they give claws +2% damage per node, we will have the same shit we do now.

>>169145741
funny how people say the same thing every patch and every patch a new meta emerges

obviously some strong builds still escape the nerf hammer but I don't think it's going to be quite the same as 2.5

wait for patch notes

>>169143283
98 are just implicit changes

>>169146408
Yep. New Meta every patch new friend

>>169146596
The bulk of them are League Uniques, ya mong.

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Piety of Theopolis.

Recommend me a double dipper for 2.6. Never played one before

I was hoping for more claw buffs :'(

Maybe the nodes will be really cool?

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How to spot redditors:

>they ask what is the strongest build in the game before they even download PoE

>they ask retarded questions that can be found on the wiki and get mad when you point out their mistake

>use the following words: lol, dude, bro, honey, hun, sweety, baby, baby-related homonatopeia

>complain about patch notes when they haven't even been released

>>169147482
Poison BV Necro
use self Spirit Offering

>>169146408
Except for the last four where its been Double Dip+other build (vaalspark, Voltaxic,BladeVortex,BladeFlurry)

Wow cruel is easy and boring. No wonder they want to remove this shit.

Is righteous fire ethical?

>>169147820
try to look outside what your favorite streamer plays and you'll realize there are more than a handful of powerful shaper viable builds

>>169147943
no double dipping, no instant leech = ethical build

>>169147943
Yeah it sucks

>>169147970
Mate there is a difference between the meta (the best builds) and "viable" builds. I play both every league, doing stuff like scorching ray and sword gladiator and later doing HoWA and ED.

>>169147943
very ethical by itself, but becomes unethical when you use it as a buff on ll setups

Wait so builds that double dip aren't ethical?

Does that mean i can't use those poison gloves?

>>169148771
Crredit?

>>169148654
That's right
See the previous thread for an in-depth discussion on ethics

>>169148771
and then ascendancy was basically a "nvm lol" to all that shit

>>169148973
>Ctrl+F "ethic"
>88 matches
poeg can be so autistic at times

>>169149059
It's literally 1 guy.

>>169148654
basically you have to think this way:

Shit build = ethical
nonshit build= unethical garbage

is Clarissa an ethical waifu

It's about ethics in games journalism

>>169149256
you're mum asked me to give her an ethics lecture

if you know what i mean

what does that even mean

So from what I understand they're only really hitting skill tree area of effect increases. Carcass Jack new meta

>>169149790
You are incorrect. They even give an example of non skill tree changes in the post.

>>169148560
What if I'm modifying a common rf setup to run 5 curses to enable an unethical build. Is that still ethical?

>>169149908
no, because then it becomes good and potentially very good

Ethically it should be almost impossible to clear red maps, given how all skills should only be built to perform as well as the worst skill in the game to achieve TRUE equality and perfect ethos in praxis.

>>169149908
Running multiple curses isn't unethical. It is balanced around its cost and has limited use past the 3rd curse. Quadratical or exponential scaling is unethical and has no ceiling.

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so how much life is enough life for t12+ maps

i'm like at 6.7k

6k is enough with max block, never needed more for t15s

>>169150492

also i'm a cucklone slayer btw

>>169150492
9000 or so is good.

>>169150492
youre fine. just be smart with your flasks and vgrace

>>169148383
meta =/= best build. Whenever that guy Mathil plays some build you have 100s of nuthuggers following even though it's not the best build. Temp chains + enfeeble + firestorm build has been sleeper for so long, very little people play it but definitely a top tier non meta build. That's just a small example.

> Ice Crash has had its damage increased.
> Ice Crash has had its damage increased.

Seems like they're going all out buffing cold skills. Wonder with the more cold conversion and the area of effect changes if it will be better than EQ. The thing with frost builds though is that you need to go crit. Melee crit for ice crash is hard because you need a sword and good swords are pretty hard to find. So you go non crit, which means you aren't freezing anything due to no freeze chance.

Also some of you guys fail to realize, the area of effect might be screwed on curses through blasphemy which also would make that a lot less good.

>>169151447
Earthquake is currently still more AoE than Crash, so no.
Crash would need an ~80% More damage mod to balance out.

you don't need to crit to chill and hypothermia exists

blasphemy should be largely untouched except for those silly builds stacking aoe

lifebuilds need at least 12k to be viable, if you are lower you WILL get oneshot

>>169151846
>I don't know what mitigation is

^retard with no end game experience

>>169136754
He's too extraverted to have autism, it's just what he says that is bullshit.

> Gets mad at devs for releasing xbox version and assumes that devs have neglected PoE because of this ''GGG = modern Blizzard-Activision''
> Decides to ditch PoE
> GGG a week later comes with a huge release
> GGG announces a huge patch and massive balance changes to come both in 2.6, the beta and 3.0.
> Starts to play WoW... vanilla on a pirate server
> Pirate server now known for gold selling, botting, scamming just like every other private server
> People get tuned out instantly because watching someone play WoW is boring as fuck

Why would you ever as streamer decide to stream WoW That game has so little spectator value. At least stream something interesting like DotA or League, people then won't just tune out or say that you're done for a while with PoE and do something else. I'm amazed on how stupid he's handling stuff.

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>mitigation

next hes gonna tell us about "layers" of defence

>endurance charges and flasks dont exist

>>169152109
U know lots bout wow

>>169137946
Ice Crash has more potential.

> GGG hinting at it getting AoE scaling
> extra frost conversion nodes, maybe 100% conversion possible through those unique gloves
> Damage increase

Now obviously it might also be GGG's typical ''Ice Crash damage increased by 5%
Ice Crash AoE increased by 4% (this is a buff)''

>>169152426
but earthquake is in the game

Ice Crash can be used unarmed
EQ cannot

Ice Crash is better with Facebreaker and Rigwald's Curse

Remember, this is Legacy league

crit multi facememers ice crash assassin

>Claw Nodes are getting buffed this League as well
Hmm. Crit Facebreaker Ice Crash with Rig's Curse Raider.

>>169152109
PT seems more like a runescape guy desu

>>169152617
but ancestral warchief is in the game

>>169151734
I'm not sure what GGG is doing with the whole area thing. With EQ you often have the + 56% inc AoE. GGG hinted that 40% inc AoE = 100% area.

The AoE / Damage depends. If Ice crash gets sufficient damage, the gems you can use with it are better. Faster attacks and cold pen + frostbite. Also depends on how they adjust the outer damage values.

I'd say somewhere around 240% damage at lv 20 base with 20% outer stage, 10% inner stage would make it decently strong (That is assuming the conversion changes are good).

ancestral meme is good at killing bosses and that's it

it's a dogshit mapping skill due to the activation delay and totem placement delay

>>169151447
They said they doubled the AoE on curses to balance that out.

>>169152556
Yes but ice crash is useable with swords, so you can possibly go to the ranger area sword cluster ( that gets buffed ) and also get the crit sword cluster from there. Then you can go freeze crit ice crash. It would be a pretty great defensive build for mapping t14s and below since the bosses don't have that much health so you can perma freeze them. Probably not going to be great at shaper though.

Ice spears text says the second form "explodes" but it doesn't actually right? Because it isn't tagged with AoE

I really wish Glacial Cascade had received a buff. As it is it's just a shitty sunder.

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It's time!