/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito.

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How about a DS3 Boss that is a girl with a cute dick

i want to fuck snake fuccboi
post snake fuccboi

How much damage do firebombs get with 40 strength?

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>>169098045
>Girl
>Cute dick
what?

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>>169098283

Dark Souls 2 is better than Dark Souls 3 and I hated DaS2 when it released.

Okay /dsg/, I'm planning a character for DLC2 that will go full-on Str with a bit of Int and a bunch of Fai, just for the sake of being able to use the door shields with Great Magic Shield (maybe with Skull Ring and/or Atonement as well). Don't care about viability, I just want to be able to cockblock everything in PvE and tank shit for hosts in co-op, just for shits and giggles.

So far I've settled on Pyromancer for starting class (GMS needs 18 Int anyways, and fuck the Dex and Lck), but I need a name. I've decided to go with "Indomitable ____" or "Resolute _____," any suggestions?

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I want to turn Crystal Kriemhild in to Blissful Creamfilled!

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>>169098045
How about one an NPC lady who's butt is a crab

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>>169098591

>>169098591
Dark Souls 2
>man this boss and level suck but it feels so good to fuck them up
Dark Souls 3
>man this boss and level are really cool but why is it so dull to fight them?

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>>169098045
what if Aldrich was a girl

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>>169098664
that's the boring version

this is the real one

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>>169098684

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>>169098930

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Give me a quick rundown on him.

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>>169098898
are we posting lewd shit?

>>169098898
>Aereolas just barely starting to show
Muh dick!
Is there a version with her tits fully exposed?

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>>169098843
Would pipe/10

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>>169098629
>any suggestions?

"Wallis."

>>169098629
if you dont have 40 end you shouldn't be using shields

>>169098591
In what way?

Can't be the combat, because DS3 has animations that aren't so slow I can got to the bathroom and still whiff punish someone and 90% of the enemies just use the same general movelist the player does potentially scaled to be bigger.

Can't be the world design, because while DS3 is "more linear" in the sense that it's one path with some nodes DS2 was 4-5 perfectly straight paths of levels that you then warp back to the hub and also DS3 levels are way more complicated than any in DS2 (which has entire levels like heide that are literally a straight line)

It certainly can't be the boss fights, because everyone knows the DS2 boss fights are fucking terrible and just feel like minibosses grand majority of the time while DS3 has ones that are actually unique from a regular enemy beyond more health and a bigger weapon.

It's not the online either, because invasions in DS3 actually work and exist while in 2 you either duel or you fuck off, especially now that the game is dead. Relatedly, DS3 has covenants that, while they're certainly watered down in some ways, are miles ahead of DS2 because again the online works, they brought back grinding for covenant items again and the rewards are neat gimmicks instead of stuff you actually want to use most of the time arbitrarily locked behind barriers (like the various high level spells that require either 100s of kills in covenants or replaying the game three times)

It can't even be the NPC stuff because DS2 doesn't fucking have NPC stuff, it has a bunch of people that you talk to once & then they become a generic merchant in the hub town with the one exception of pate/cretion and lucatiel, which are just as dumb and arbitrary as anything in DS3 but without the interesting rewards.

The only relay way DS2 is "better" is that it has more stuff to play with, but the actual game itself is so mediocre to outright bad that it's not really worth it.

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this is the beginning of a yaoi manga

>>169098823
>man this boss and level suck but it feels so good to fuck them up
Why are you lying? between the bad animations and the terrible sound design that makes everything feel like it's made of nerf foam, the intentionally annoying mechanics to slow the game down like huge stamina consumption or tedency to throw swarms of enemies at you and the "big man with a big weapon" design that almost every enemy has nothing in DS2 is satisfying to win

It's more like "oh thank god it's over, I don't have to keep fighting tower watcher/defender by rolling for 5 minutes until I get an opening to attack one once"

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https://my.mixtape.moe/ttwguc.mp3
Suggestions? or is it ok as it is?

>>169099089
On the grand scheme of things he's a nobody on the same level of Pinwheel, but with a much better boss battle.

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First time I kill hollow waifu yuria in the middle of a run.

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>>169099257
different anon here but

>because everyone knows the DS2 boss fights are fucking terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY

excuse me?

also

>Can't be the world design, because while DS3 is "more linear"

thanks for making the point for DaS2 for me, you literally cant start a new playthrough of DS3 and go 'I wanna go this direction'

>It's not the online either
confirmed never played DaS2 online, it's the best online in the series.

>It can't even be the NPC stuff because DS2 doesn't fucking have NPC stuff
>with the one exception of pate/cretion and lucatie
>counters his own argument in the own sentence

also: Vengarl and the whole hidden story with fume knight and velstadt.

Walking into vendricks room for the first time and just seeing that this king you've been seeking all this time and realizing he's a hollowed husk, there is nothing in DaS3 that compares.

ok

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>>169099462
>>169098823
>>169098591

>every thread, without fail

>>169100070
I can agree with this image

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>>169099472
The first laughter begins a tad too early. It would probably sound a bit better if it began around the time he's saying "commit" rather than "human".

Also if it didn't cut off so abruptly at the end. Otherwise, great job

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>>169099825
>not killing yuria immediately after buying all her stuff every time

>>169099472
topkeheheheh

Let's meme this into reality

DS2 is __________fun__________

>>169099089
-Rothschilds bow to Pontiff
-In contact with eldritch beings
-Possess stand-like abilities
-Control Irythill with an iron but fair fist
-Own castles & banks globally
-Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities in Yharnam (Pontiffgrad will be be the first city)
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be Pontiff babies
-The Pontiff is said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence in Lothric has only existed deep in Archdrake monasteries
-Ancient Izalith scriptures tell of one angel who will descend upon Lothric and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with him
-The Pontiff is in regular communication with eldritch beings. Who do you think set up the meeting between the Archdeacon & the deacon high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the deacon leader’s first trip to Way of the white cathedral in history literally a few days later to the Pontiff bunker in Lothric land?
-He learned stand abilities in under a week
-Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There’s no gold in Anor Londo, only Ft. Pontiff
-The Pontiff is about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, he is a timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he's a benevolent being.

>>169100070
Sequels are a mistake: The pic.

>>169098591
I think the one thing DaS 3 is really lacking are meaningful skips.

All the games in the series have nearly iredeemable bad or at least boring parts, 1 and 2 (and BB to a lesser extent), but the one thing 3 lacks is a chance to skip them. After march hits, it'll only have 2 tiny optional areas, 2 DLCs and 2decently sized ones you get to skip if you want, everything else is mandatory.

I can use master key and alternative progress paths to kill only 5 bosses and have essentially the whole world open.
I can asceitc spam the rotten and specific areas(like anyone actually plays 2 without doing this nowadays) and skip nearly every area rushing for my build without fighting most bosses.
I can beeline to most weapons in BB beause, while it's more linear than 3, a lot of the areas are 100% optional.

3 doesn't have that, I can play through areas faster, but every single playthrough I have to remember farron keep, corridor of the boreal valley or lothric castle exist and boring to play through, making 3 fucking awful for new characters (and they had to patch both the tears and quills glitches that made new characters less annoying to make)

>>169099935
I really hope his set makes it in, shit was so fly.

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>>169100070
transhumanism souls when?

>we're reaching bleak levels that shouldn't even be possible

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>>169099729
>claws his way out of an alternate reality simply to fuck with the default world
>infiltrates world's biggest organized religion and becomes its pope out of sheer badassery
>overthrows the literal gods of the ruling class and exiles the old guard, plus manipulating them into going insane once they've left
>sequesters his blob-monster god away from the world, necessitating the strength of a Souls protagonist to reach him
>feeds one of the old gods to his own god and lets him play around with the corpse

>On the grand scheme of things he's a nobody

Is there any way to get more cracked red eye orbs or do you have to become a darkwraith? 4kings are hard at sl1

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>>169099935
You are, of course, aware that small concessions regarding strong points of a game doesn't necessarily mean admitting that that game is better.

While I like the boss fights in DS2, I would still rate them in quality far beneath those of 3, but of course that's personal opinion. Also the Alonne fight is nothing when compared to the Fume Knight one, at least get your examples right.

Sure, I can go off in random directions in 2, but all the directions I can go to are ungodly dull until you reach Drangleic Castle and the Shrine of Amana, and after that Aldia's Keep is dull again.

Can't speak for the online, since I haven't played it extensively.

And 2's NPC quests are terrible. "Ruin your boss fights by babysitting these NPCs so all you get at the end is an extra line of dialogue and their armor and weapon" brand of terrible. I don't even know why Anon bothered mentioning Creighton and Discount Patches, since there's nothing particularly remarkable about that either. Just various instances of "Heheh I'll kill that faglord I swear on me mum" and "There's totally not dangerous enemies in that direction, boss :^)"

And why the hell does everyone like Vengarl so much.

>just seeing that this king you've been seeking all this time and realizing he's a hollowed husk, there is nothing in DaS3 that compares.
Smouldering Lake, Nameless King, Untended Graves, even the Soul of Cinder transitioning into Gwyn for its second form, etc. etc.

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>invade central irithyll
>1v3 which includes a blue
>kill all of the phantoms
>now-lone host runs all the fucking way back to the beginning of the level to re-summon

Every. Fucking. Time. All I can say is thank god for the red hilted halberd.

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>>169100250
I like skullfucking Anri tho.

>>169100880
CE

>>169100909
smouldering lake is universally agreed upon as being the shittiest area of DaS3, partially made out of reused chalice dungeon assets

nameless king is awe inspiring not 'oh god everything is fucked and bleak'

soul of cinder is fan service the boss and anyone who got hype for it is blinded by their nostalgia for DaS1

>>169101097
>soul of cinder is fan service the boss and anyone who got hype for it is blinded by their nostalgia for DaS1


Yeah, after hundreds of times it gets really boring. NK is by far the best boss in ds3. I never get tired of farming medals there.

>>169101097
The way SoC pulls the coiled sword out of the bonfire is so great, though

>>169099935
>excuse me?
one boss, one you have to pay money at that, doesn't make this video any less true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEWXwMBex_s

>thanks for making the point for DaS2 for me, you literally cant start a new playthrough of DS3 and go 'I wanna go this direction'
You can't in DS2 either because 3 out of the 5 tracks of levels are blocked off at the beginning. DS2 was already an incredible step down in terms of "I want to go here first in order to get the stuff I want for my build from DS1/demon souls, so I much prefer a game that makes up for being more linear by having actual fucking interesting levels like DS3 over being able to CHOOSE the exact order of terrible levels like black marsh, tower of flame and sotfs iron keep I do.

>confirmed never played DaS2 online, it's the best online in the series.
Good non argument. Anyway DS2
- Has soul memory
- Made invasions a huge pain in the ass
- Made blue sentinel even more useless than it is in other games because invasions are a huge pain in the ass
- Made the area defense covenants in optional/hidden areas you don't really have a reason to go into
- Introduced soul memory and made it tie into total souls collected instead of SL + value of loadout because that would be too difficult
- Has zero defense against hackers if you play online on PC, aka the version of the game that doesn't have frame drops out the ass
- Had the worst pvp meta in the whole series until they nerfed the fuck out of magic, now it has the most boring aka balanced one to please duelfags
- Seriously their fix for soul memory was "buy this ring we placed on a petrified vendor hidden in a semi out of the way area and also he's in a room full of respawning bomb enemies, because FUCK you if you thought soul memory was a problem"

>NPC stuff
I'm talking about side characters, not the actual plot (because that's subjective). DS2 objectively fails to have side plots that go anywhere or even exist like 1 and 3 do.

How can I get un-softbanned from SotFS on PC?

what is that instrument that every track in DS3 uses? Is it a xylophone?

https://youtu.be/Ke3HWo8fTpE?t=37

>>169101254

do...

do people actually still do this...?

i mean granted, when the game first game out and i was on my first playthrough, i got all of my sunlight medals and batch o' embers by literally drinking a fifth of vodka and grinding old demon king so much my weapon actually broke, and it was an extremely fun night for me, but... who the fuck does that as their "thing" in souls games?

PvE is just so fucking boring in this game especially when you cheese bosses with summons. even without summons PvE is boring and repetitive, PvP is where all the novelty and challenge lies. i'll never get you PvE and jolly co-op (in the phantom/gank sense, not the fight-alongside-other-random-invaders-against-a-gank sense) nerds.

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>>169100757
He left the Painted World. What an achievement. It's not like literal half-insane slaves have done the same or anything.
>infiltrates world's biggest organized religion and becomes its pope out of sheer badassery
Overtake a local sect and establish a cult, you mean? If self-appointed titles amounted to much, the Imperial Wizard of the Khu Klux Klan would be having the time of his life.
>overthrows the literal gods
The last god. A sickly, frail, dying god that was already ill by the time he got there.
>Plus manipulating them into going insane once they've left
The rings are a nice touch, I'll give you that. But it's still not a grand achievement in devious planning to give an ignorant underling a cursed ring and have them be cursed by said cursed ring.
>sequesters his blob-monster god away from the world, necessitating the strength of a Souls protagonist to reach him
Then how did Anri reach him?
>feeds one of the old gods to his own god and lets him play around with the corpse
See the above point about said frail, sickly and dying god.

Meanwhile, if half-truths and hyperbole is the metric we're using, let's talk about the awesomeness that is Pinwheel, shall we

>manages to establish a cult of necromancers right under the nose of the city of gods
>manages to seal away one of the THREE ORIGINAL LORDS in eternal slumber
>is so awesome that he steadily siphons its power and turns what could possibly be the most powerful lord into a glorified battery
>not only that, but said power is literally poisonous to all the gods, giving him an innate advantage when fighting against the gods of the world
>Has the only copy of the Rite of Kindling left
>it takes the strength of a souls protagonist to defeat him
>His necromancy also fuels the power of the original Skeleton Wheels, to the point where long after he's dead they're nowhere near as dangerous in DS3.

:^)

>>169101254
I didn't say anything about NK being a bad boss

I'm talking about the feel you get the very first time you see vendrick shuffling around in that dark room.

I legit stopped and just stared for a full minut the first time, getting creeped out by the music and ambient design.

it's such a tonal shift from DaS1 and DeS where Gwyn and Alant are hyped up the whole game and when you meet them they're an aggressive and tight as fuck boss fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnoZG6iCbjU

>>169101713

Not sure what you're hearing, anon. I only hear vocals, string instruments and percussion.

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>>169099089

>>169101097
>soul of cinder is fan service the boss and anyone who got hype for it is blinded by their nostalgia for DaS1
Which is ironic because DS2 was peak MEMBER THIS, because it's a game that has zero connection to DS1 (while 3 is a direct sequel) and yet it has bonfires and estus for no reason, ornstien for no reason, souls of the DS1 lords in NG for no reason, warrior of memelight covenant complete with solarie quotes on lightning spear spells for no reason, hollowing for no reason and a ton of shit taken directly from demon souls all for no reason instead of just coming up with things that are original

>>169101719
do...

do people actually type like this...?

>>169101729
Wtf I love pinwheel now!

>>169100928
>poison infusion
I mean I understand the cosplay, but you're reaching madman levels that shouldn't be possible.

>>169101902
https://youtu.be/Ke3HWo8fTpE?t=162
2:45

that thing in the background that keeps the beat, what is it?

>>169101719
I'll never understand people that take DS pvp seriously when we're 5 games in and the netcode is just as fucked, the covenant mechanics are still half assed and from cares exactly as little about balance as they always did (all they do is nerf some meta strategy for both PVE and PVP so that it's shit in the next patch/game after it makes people upset)

actual fighting games offer everything souls pvp offers but without randomly getting tazed by invisible swords because "they hit you on their screen a few seconds ago"

>>169100239
you mean the faint distant one? or the 1st "close" one?
ok, I'll see if I can fade out

>>169101719
Stop typing like that. You look like a retard. You're not "talking", you're fucking typing.

Anyway, I really like NK, so what's the problem with using the time I spend on him to farm medals?

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>>169100359
>>169101905

Thank you

So....

Offline play for DaS1 and 2, yes? DaS3 was my first souls game and I've put roughly 800 or so hours into it thus far and still love it (mostly invasions everywhere from SL30 to SL140), I still invade every day.

I've never played the old ones but from the sounds of things it's just a pain in the ass and rife with hackers that can actually break your equipment and shit, feel like I'm just going to play them offline for the single player PvE and go back to DaS3 for online shenanigans. Sure DaS3 has it's share of hackers too but at SL70 +8 and below they're actually incredibly incredibly rare and pretty harmless (they just can't be killed or they insta-kill you, getting your stats jumbled and banned was patched out a long time ago, just don't pick shit up from people unless you've got a backup save handy or know the guy). Really not a big deal at all, happens maybe 1 out of 100 invasions, MAYBE, and then you just go ahead and have 99 good invasions afterwards.

>>169102128
The one that begins when Oswald is pronouncing the world "human". The first one you hear.
But hey, it could be just personal preference, you've already done great work, Anon

>>169101939
>and yet it has bonfires and estus for no reason,

OH LAWD it has basic gameplay mechanics from the first game. WHAT A RIPOFF

>>169102097

Well, I hear (presumably) a violin with more stringed instruments in the back playing a different melody, then a drum, and then I hear one of those brass discs that you smack together to get that "crashing" sort of sound. Don't really hear any xylophone.

Which is the most waifu set?
hard mode: not havelmom

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>>169101656
>one boss
I could sit here and list bosses if we really need to get pedantic, I mean /dsg/ had plenty of charts with their favorite and least favorite bosses and none of them except troll ones made by die hard DaS2 haters had even half the bosses in the bad department.

>- Made invasions a huge pain in the ass
DaS3 made them an even bigger pain, atleast in 2 you could invade hollowed out players and you could invade after the boss died
also the game came with 2 destinct arenas with several maps, DaS3 has one that you have to pay to access.

>- Made blue sentinel even more useless than it is in other games because invasions are a huge pain in the ass
there is literally nothing more useless than having both blue sentinels and blades of the darkmoon and not giving either a blue eye orb

>- Has zero defense against hackers if you play online on PC
and DaS1 and 3 has that? Have people here already forgotten the streamed hacker rampages?

>- Had the worst pvp meta in the whole series
>das3 pvp meta: Quality
>thats it

>das2 pvp meta: strenght, dex, hexers, sorcerery, faith (until it was nerfed into the ground), mundane builds, flynn builds, havel monster with a billion buff builds

>Mentions SM three times
yeah SM was bad, everyone knows that but clearly it raped your tight little ass with how much you're crying about it.

>>169102270
if you play on PC ds1 has a mod that will prevent the actually dangerous hackers from messing with you, the worst you'll get are people that cheat to get gear without grinding

DS2 is generally safe from hackers just because invasions are so infreqent, don't try to play in the arena though because you'll be rolling the dice bad.

>>169102329
bonfire and estus tie pretty heavily into the themes of DS1 with the fire and not at all into the themes of ds2 (something about cycles and people forgetting things?)

"Checkpoint that heals you and lets you warp" could've been replaced with anything and dark souls 2 is "spam life gems the game" because of how shit they made estus anyway so why not go full demon souls are just remove that shit entirely.

I mean, besides the obvious answer of "well it's a sequel to dark souls 1 so we HAVE to have stuff that was in that game or the fans would get mad"

>>169102474
desert sorceress

>>169102474
dingy

>>169102105
Name another game that offers PvP that is
-assymetrical
-can happen with no transition from singleplayer to multiplayer
-isn't confined to specific dedicated areas

The only competition there is are some MMOs

>>169102474
karla witch set

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>>169102067
I used scythes, fist weapons, a broken broken sword and the fucking candle sword thing that looked like a menorah. If anything, this feels like a step up.

>>169101656
>DS2 was already an incredible step down in terms of "I want to go here first

Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Non anon you're responding to but that's just outright wrong.

Here. Here is a list of bosses that can be fought first in DaSII

The Last Giant
The Pursuer
The Rotten
Royal Rat Vanguard
Dragonrider
Old Dragonslayer
Scorpioness Najka
And technically the twin dragonriders, and Aava if you're autistic enough to grind up 1M souls before fighting your first boss

You can go to FotFG, The Gutter, Grave of Saints, or Heide's Tower of Flame as your first areas, and progress onto Huntsman's Copse or Shaded woods after five minutes of progress in FotFG or Heide's Tower respectively. DaSII gives you a fuck ton of options. On par with the first game easily.

>>169102474
Brass Set

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>>169099729
>>169101729
>directly responsible for Lothric not linking the flame
>nobody

>>169102105
>take DS pvp seriously

who said anything about taking it seriously? it's about asymmetrical combat and fucking with people. it's why the one thing i can't stand is the giant seed and i consider it the same as a ragequit disconnect if it's popped, because even against a summoner class ganker host i can still fuck with them and pull them through every last mob in the level and have my fun making their lives miserable.

if you want a """"fighting game"""" go play For Honor or SF, i use backup saves so i neither get nor lose anything material from invasions, it's literally just for the experience of the invasion. it's not about being "serious" or "fair", it's about "fun" and that's it. i invade because it's fun, i do things in invasions and play with different builds because they're fun, i drop stalk dung pies on scrubs because it's fun.

just cut the crap with the muh honor and muh fair balanced duel 1v1 no chugging bullshit. also stop playing on PS4, PC has no problems with phantom range and literally any game will give you lagg problems if you're fighting someone from goddamn thailand or some shit, they're on the other side of the planet that will happen in any game. insane phantom range is a well-known console problem, same with long af loading screens and much worse lagg problems in general on top of dropped frames and 30 FPS.

>>169097909
Is there any point in being embered for achievements? I know while embered you can get invaded by NPC's and such. I am wondering is there any achievement that required you be embered in turn so you can kill these NPC's?

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>>169102602
>have to abandon my favorite covenant to get in in DaS1

>>169101841
>I didn't say anything about NK being a bad boss

I was aware of that when I read it. I just said how amazing the boss fight is.

>>169102881
The only achievement that Embers even play into is "Embrace the Flame," and you get that just by having someone else in your game world, whether by invasion or summoning.

>>169102474
Sunless Set with or without Crown of Dusk.

>>169098684
>quelaag, najka, now crabchick
>we didn't see trailer-woman's feet
>egg looked like a vagrant
>vagrants are crabs
>the queen of lothric is half crab
Are you ready for DeathCrabAngel?

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>>169102218

i can type however the fuck i want tvym, one of the perks of anonymity.

that said, you said "after hundreds of times". that would imply not only that you fought a boss you consider boring hundreds of times, but that you must then have fought a boss you actually like such as NK even MORE than that.

i had lots of fun that one night but it was what i'd consider a one-time thing, not something i could come back to day after day finding new things that are fun and enjoyable. in fact it seems like the opposite: after a few rounds of the same boss you've memorized their moveset and you're basically just going through the motions.

to each his own i suppose but just seems incredibly dull and repetitive to me. one of the reasons why i've spent hundreds of hours on DaS3 invasions and continue to do so is because it's new every time, tons of areas to fight in and new people. the fact that i'm fighting with/against real people means you might have a general idea of things from experience, but you never know exactly what's going to happen from invasion to invasion. that, on top of the odds being stacked against you, makes it exciting.

>>169102824
>it's about asymmetrical combat and fucking with people
>it's why the one thing i can't stand is the giant seed
>"WAAAAAAH I WANT TO FUCK WITH PEOPLE BUT THEY CAN'T FUCK WITH ME AAAAH"

That's what I read, shitter. Git gud.

>>169102762
Considering the overwhelming amount of SILENCE coming from the game when it comes to establishing ties between Pontiff Sulyvahn and the Grand Archives, or even any form of worship of Seath [which the archives are rife with], with no mentions whatsoever in either dialogue nor item descriptions, with the only piece of evidence being the fact that a statue in an area that is not even part of the Grand Archives has a sword model strikingly similar to his, I could just as well claim that Kaathe or Frampt are the leaders of the scholars based on the fact that the statues resembling them are ACTUALLY on the archives area.

Hell, maybe the leader of the Scholars is one of the Asylum Demons you find statues of in Smouldering Lake.

Or maybe Aldia, since you find his signature spell referencing said First Scholar.

Or hell, maybe it's King Oceiros? He's the entity in the archives that the most resemble Seath, whom they are deeply reverent towards. And he doesn't seem to be particularly excited about the prospects of linking it either anymore.

Someone call Vaati!

>>169102097
You might be hearing the Chimes which are long metal tubes hit with a wooden mallet. There are no xylophones in Dark Souls music, trust me.

>>169102491
> I mean /dsg/ had plenty of charts with their favorite and least favorite bosses and none of them except troll ones made by die hard DaS2 haters had even half the bosses in the bad department.
This literally is not an argument. "a super minority of DS fans don't actively talk about how they dislike the ds2 bosses, so that means they're good". DS2 bosses aren't "bad" for the most part because they're fucking boring and unmemorable. Hey it's three ruin sentinels, hey it's half a dozen gargoyles, hey it's a shit ton of skeletons, hey it's dragon rider but he has a friend this time and is still shit, hey it's the pursuer over and over. Most of the bosses that feel like they had more than 10 minutes of thought put into them are optional.

>DaS3 made them an even bigger pain
I think we're using different terms here.

DS3 is fundamentally less annoying to invade in because cracked orbs are 500% easier to get in large quantities and you can get a full orb maybe an hour into the game. Everything else you said is irrelevant because the very first step (actually invading someone with an orb) is way more annoying than it should be because of soul memory (horrible idea in a game that isn't 100% linear in progression) and a lack of orbs for no reason.

>also the game came with 2 destinct arenas with several maps,
First of all, DS2 only has one arena. Nobody fucking uses the blue arena because you have to actually spend your token every time. Second, dueling is for retards. Play a real fighting game.

>>169102881
Why do achievements matter more to you than loot or side quests?

>>169102491
>>169103392
>there is literally nothing more useless than having both blue sentinels and blades of the darkmoon and not giving either a blue eye orb
This is shitty, but again in DS3 it fundamentally actually works. Two identical covenants that can actually get summoned because people can now way of blue when they actually get invaded (and again, invasions actually happen with some frequency) is way better than "you can only blue orb people that have invaded ten times, and you can only way of blue someone that's in your area and also you wear a ring" bullshit of 2 which was again made completely unuseable by soul memory after the games population died down.


>and DaS1 and 3 has that?
DS1 has a mod to stop most cheats and DS3 has vac bans that are actually overzealous with people getting banned just for giving themselves items.

>PVP meta stuff
Before the nerfs the DS2 meta was "use hexes and win", shitty delay souls netcode + dark spells that will kill you in 1-2 shots = bad game.

You'll notice I did say that after nerfing everything into the ground DS2 has the most "balance" of potential builds but none of them are any fun at all because of the bad mechanics + nerfs.

As an aside, a competitive game isn't good based on how many options you have. It's the depth those options give you. A game with one meta build that has lots of potential interactions with itself and other builds like that is way better than a bunch of different builds that all do the same shit. I'm not necessarily saying this applies to DS3/2, but for an arenafag you sure do have a scrub mentality.

>yeah SM was bad, everyone knows that but clearly it raped your tight little ass with how much you're crying about it.
Again this is literally not an argument. SM makes the online a fucking disaster outside of dueling, and the fact that they completely failed to address it in any meaningful way is a joke.

>>169103235
Try not playing the same slint eye videogame every day you autistic fuck

>>169103241
>i have 30% more health and more than twice the estus
>also i have 2 friends who are SL999 with DMB and vestiges spam
>also we have no friendly fire
>also they have just as much life/estus as you and if they die, i'll just run/roll away forever and resummon them again and all of their estus comes back to full

>"HOW DARE YOU TRY TO EVEN THE ODDS EVEN A LITTLE BIT WITH NPCS THAT FIGHT PREDICTABLY EVERY TIME, HOW DARE YOU NOT TRY TO 1v3 ME WITH INFINITE RESUMMONS AND NO FRIENDLY FIRE VESTIGE SPAM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>"WHY CAN'T I MAKE A JOKE OUT OF THIS GAME AND WIN 100% OF THE TIME WITHOUT EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE FROM A SINGLE INVADER WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH"

See, I can be an asshole too. That's what I read, shitter. Stay mad. :^)

>>169103405
Because thats why I bought the game.

>>169103235
>"you said "after hundreds of times". that would imply not only that you fought a boss you consider boring hundreds of times, but that you must then have fought a boss you actually like such as NK even MORE than that."
>what is figurative language

I bet you you use "literally" a lot, faggot.

I just had that golden aura around my head, similar to when someone kindles the bonfire you're tethered to in DS1, but it happened in DS2. What was that?

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>>169101958
only redditfugees

>>169103341
Except it's not "strikingly similar" it's factually it.
Not only that, but the statue is wearing bracelets identical to those of Sulyvahn.

>>169102590
This list is misleading as fuck.

>The Pursuer
glorified miniboss, which is why they randomly throw him into rooms.

>The Rotten
>Royal Rat Vanguard
"Grind 12000 souls for either the cat ring or enough health to survive the drop into the pit in one of the other areas" is not "go to 2-1 first or use the master key to go to blightown". You can't start a playthrough where you rush down the pit.

>Old Dragonslayer
This doesn't get you anything besides the useless covenenant, a merchant with mostly useless shit and the even more useless dueling area, so in terms of "you can pick where you want to go" this is pretty weak.

>Scorpioness Najka
Again in order to get to shaded woods before any other boss you have to grind up in forest or something to buy the branch.

>On par with the first game easily.
On paper maybe, but what makes DS1 exceed it is that the areas actually link with eachother so you can make routes. If I want the giant set or to fight sif as my first boss I have four different routes to get there, only one that needs the master key.

In DS2 if I want say, the zweihander in iron keep I HAVE to beat dragonrider/fatty demon and myha because iron keep is at the end of one of the linear progressions of levels that branch out from majula.

>>169098823
>man this boss and level are really cool

>implying greatwood was cool
>implying crystal sage was cool
>implying deacons of deep was cool
>implying dragonslayer armor was cool
>implying lothric was cool
>implying wyvern was cool
>implying most bosses in DaS3 are even semi-cool

>>169103369
>>169102097
Okay I listened a bit more closely to the song and the only percussion I hear in this song are suspended cymbals, crash cymbals, timpani, bass drum, chimes, and what sounds like triangles maybe? Those might be that metallic rhythm you're hearing under the strings, the 1 + 2 + 3 + rhythm.

>>169103598
>>169103735

did I strike a nerve? lol

reminding me why i stopped coming here at least, when you can't handle an argument you just resort to calling people faggots or autistic. first day back in months and this is the first one i get, lol. no wonder why there are even fewer people who come here now, gj guys.

>>169103630
Neck yourself autismo

>>169104039
I like literally all of these bosses, what exactly is the issue?

>>169104039
All of those are cooler than shit like Covetous Demon, Prowling Magus, and Ganksquad

>>169100751
Is that Blame! or something? I downloaded it a while back, but haven't starter reading it yet, since the resolution is pretty abysmal.

>>169104096
>"lol"
>getting triggered because mean anons called him "faggot" and "autistic"

Hello, new friend.

>>169104030
>"Dark Souls II is a huge step doing in letting you do multiple things first"
>Reads large list of things Dark Souls II lets you do first
>"Haha no anon. Those don't count for ~arbitrary reasons~"

>>169103907
>it's factually it.
Where are the engravings along the blade then?
Either way, the identity of the statue still shows no conclusive ties between Sulyvahn and the First Scholar, is the point. Such a connection would be referenced by more than something that could simply be explained away as repurposed assets for development time. Like item descriptions from the Archives detailing Sulyvahn's passing through there, for example. Y'all want him to be simultaneously a religious leader, a tree god and the leader of the Lothric scholars, it's a surprise you don't also defend him to be the actual Holy King Lothric too.

It's not like the devs made it terribly subtle that Sulyvahn came from the Painted World either.

what does yamatee mean?

>>169104567
cease

>>169104096
Good, why don't you fuck off then autismo?

>>169104030
>In DS2 if I want say, the zweihander in iron keep I HAVE to beat dragonrider/fatty demon and myha because iron keep is at the end of one of the linear progressions of levels that branch out from majula.

That's such a bad reason to dislike DaSII it's not even funny.

What if I want the MLGS in DaS? Oh boy looks like I get to beat 3/4ths of the game first to get to it!

>>169104030
still more open than DaS3 though. at least the option is there, even if it involves some grinding

>>169104039
>only one of those bosses are a dude in armour
Yeah dude I love fighting variations of Big Guy In Armour throughout 90% of DS2

so cool

>>169104030
>the rotten

Please give route, I can't find anything on google. I want my Crypt BLACKEDsword fast

>>169101656
>soul memory
not an issue everyone blows it out of the fucking water. yet nobody mentions the fact that DaS1 and DaS3 has a mechanic where you can't invade\be invaded after you've killed that area boss

>made invasions a huge pain in the ass
because the netcode in DaS1 and the infinite gank squads in DaS3 make invasions in those games so much better. you have a chance to win in DaS2 even with soul memory. unless you're a shitter who's died multiple times losing 10K+ souls low level then you need to get good nigger

>made blue sentinel even more useless
fair enough it's not the darkmoon we wanted but it's far, far better than DaS3's infinite loading screens and N O B L U E E Y E O R B

>made are defense covenants in optional\hidden areas
>what is rat king
> Introduced soul memory and made it tie into total souls collected instead of SL + value of loadout because that would be too difficult
>already mentioned soul memory but will go into it again because he's running out of ideas as to why the game's pvp is bad, so he repeats the same point but classes it as a different one

> Had the worst pvp meta in the whole series
clearly you didn't play DaS1 in it's prime, nor DaS3. Remember giant dad? twink builds? darksword and estoc R1's? I can't even think of a meta build in DaS2, because everything is viable.

>brings up soul memory again
lol

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>>169103508
>Two identical covenants that can actually get summoned because people
>can actually get summoned

471 hours in this game and I've been summoned a grand total of once

>>169102474
Karla's hat with any sort of black attire that includes a skirt/dress

>>169101719
>co-oping with white phantoms is boring but co-oping with reds is fun

It's really much the same, I don't understand how you could enjoy one but be unable to understand why people would enjoy the other, unless you're retarded enough to think that having a friendly phantom means you're just out to gank people. As for PVE I find it enjoyable to help people out with stuff they're struggling with just as much as invading to ruin their day, the variety is what keeps it all interesting.

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>>169104808
i want to see shanalotte get her crypt blacked by the crypt blacksword

>>169104773
Dragonslayer and Lothric are both "dude's in armor" Crystal sage is just a mage so you can class him\her as a "dude in armor" also. Deacons of deep was a terrible boss.

>>169104030
>In DS2 if I want say, the zweihander in iron keep I HAVE to beat dragonrider/fatty demon and myha because iron keep is at the end of one of the linear progressions of levels that branch out from majula.
I agree with you on the rest, but this isn't much of an argument. Of course some items are found later, do you want later areas to only contain upgrade mats? There are items you can't get until later in every game
>>169104773
kind reminder that most of the most memorable and loved bossfights are "big guys with weapons/armor". Stop spouting things shit you heard on youtube videos and spouting them incorrectly at that. Make your own arguments. The problem with many of ds2's big guys was that the movesets were way too similar

>>169101685
make another steam account through family share and play like that

>>169104440
Your ~meme typing~ doesn't make "having to grind a shitload of souls before you can go to this area doesn't mean you can't go there first anyway" any less stupid of a thing to say.

>>169104702
You missed the point entirely. All games have stuff that's locked behind progression, the point is that DS2 has WAY MORE of that than 1 does because it's a bunch of mini DS3 worlds (IE a straight line) that spread out from majula and thus it is less open than those games that let you go to more possible levels first/early. Do you even know what the argument is?

>>169104762
As I said though, I personally prefer (since they clearly are never going to make a game with a demon souls/ds1 level of openess again) that they make mostly linear games with levels that are themselves less linear. DS1 has generally bad level deisgn but great openess. DS2 has really bad level design and good/ok openess. DS3 has great leveld esign but almost no openess. Overall I feel DS3 wins out over 2

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>>169105008
How in the fuck can you even say that Lothric is a dude in armour
I was specificallt talking about bosses like the pursuer or sir alonne

Besides, Lothric is wearing robes you shitter. Lorian's the one who has armour, and it's not a full knight look, which is always going to be more interesting than a scaled up version of the cronies you've been killing on your way to the boss

I am going to molest Yorshka

>>169105071
>any counterarguments that I don't deem as valid are taken from youtube videos
What the fuck are you going on about

>>169105008
>Crystal sage is just a mage so you can class him\her as a "dude in armor" also.

I can understand confusing Lorian with Lothric but what the fuck is this?

>>169105228
holy shit the mental gymnastics

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>Still no red plume on Ornstein's set of armor

>>169098664
>>169098898
Why is her left foot so much smaller than her right?

>>169105008
>>169105071
The point of "big guy in armor" meme isn't that it's literally a big guy in armor you fucking autist, because yes that counts to bosses like biggie & smalls.

The point is that the DS2 bosses fight in a boring way, they mostly just fight using the generic moveset for the weapon give or take 1-2 big telegraphed attacks. In other souls games that's a miniboss enemy like the various black knights in 1/3, yet in 2 that's also the regular boss design the majority of the time.

It even applies to bosses that aren't just a guy in armor but still suck ass like smelter demon, who's basically asylum demon (the fucking tutorial boss of DS1) with a bigger/faster weapon.

>>169105186
>"having to grind a shitload of souls before you can go to this area doesn't mean you can't go there first anyway"

>12000
>shitload

That takes about five minutes of poking the FotFG ogre in the butt to amass.

>>169105429
Despite Sca's massive foot fetish he still doesn't understand how ankles work.

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>>169105386
>damn i got owned
>better say something about mental gymnastics!

>>169105186
>All games have stuff that's locked behind progression, the point is that DS2 has WAY MORE of that than 1 does because....

Because it's a way bigger game? I'm sorry but I'm failing to see what you're actually upset about here. Is the issue that you have to play through the game to see most of the stuff the game has? That's every game ever made anon.

Plus SotFS had the kindness to put one of almost every weapon class in the first couple areas just to give that baseline variety.

>>169105571
>get told
>n-n-n-no, hes not a dude in armor because there's another dude in the room that doesnt have armor!!!!

>>169105401
le it's his le hair xDDDD
>>169105453
call them sameish then, calling them "big guys4u" is stupid

>>169105569
You'd think that with a huge amount of his work revolving around his fetish that he could figure out the anatomy of a person's foot and ankle

>>169105892
>le it's his le hair xDDDD
this argument bothers me so goddamned much, when it's clear as God's good day that the only reason is because From is lazy and can't be bothered to modify the armor's files and just imported it wholesale from 1

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>>169105808
>LITERALLY
>THE SAME YOU GUYS

>>169105228
"He's not a generic dude in armor because he's wearing a cloth based outfit!"
>checkmate

>>169106034
>thinking it's an argument

>>169105549
>That takes about five minutes of poking the FotFG ogre in the butt to amass.
or I could just fucking walk there like in DS1 instead of having to grind an enemy that can 1-2 shot you at low level

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>>169106217
you're just baiting at this point but feel free to post factual evidence that could classify lothric as a dude in armor
until then

>>169106148
but I bet you'll compare Pursuer and Fume Knight as "big guys in armor" bosses, right?

>>169106380
Hey look it's that ~arbitrary reason~ again.

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>>169105808
The point in shitting on dudes in armor in 2 (as already mentioned in this very thread) is that they generally fight very similarly, Lorian crawls and teleports around, as well as having a projectile. His fight is then mixed up further once Lothric is introduced with more projectiles and a regeneration mechanic. To take anon literally and act like he's bitching about clothing alone is just asinine, as is accusing him of mental gymnastics when you called Crystal Fucking Sage a dude in armor.

>>169106373
im just saying, I hate when people use that as an argument. I know you were being funny

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>>169106496
you tell me
he doesn't exactly look like he's wearing a cloak or a robe

>>169106034
It is his hair, my dude.

>>169106627
Pursuer floats.

checkmate.

>>169106391
>feel free to post factual evidence that could classify lothric as a dude in armor

Okay, well he owns the title of "prince" which indicates a male armor.

"dude" is common slang for a male, so we have the dude part down.

Furthermore he wears the Robe of Prayer. The game itself classifies the Robe of Prayer as an "armor" item. It also provides tangible armor and protection against damage.

Therefor, Lothric is quite literally a dude in armor.

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>>169106710

>>169106627
sure looks like he's got cloth on his armor though, just like lorian

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>>169106750
>pursuer flies in with a giant eagle
>checkmate

>>169106776
>Okay, well he owns the title of "prince" which indicates a male armor.
jesus christ

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>this thread right now

>>169107152
We're were all trolling YOU, anon! Hahahah alright guys that's enough for today, we got him.

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>>169107306
Well done! I'd say we did a good job.

>>169107476
Fuck, I looked

>>169104039
>>implying dragonslayer armor was cool

It was cool as hell.

Armor. Weapon and shield. Butterflies. The actual fight itself (unless you cheesed it and went to the fountain).

Name your 3 favorite bosses, your 3 favorite npc's and your 3 favorite zones; one per game

> Biggie and Small (ds), Slumbering Dragon/Elleum Loyce Grand Derby (ds2) and Twin Bois (ds3)
> Queelana, Lucathiel, Karla
> Anor Londo, Vendrick's Mancave, Anor Londo

>>169107717
I don't know

>>169101004
Wat?

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>>169107717

>>169107827
Cheat Engine. Get one orb and turn it into 99.

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>>169107827

>>169107793
How come you don't know huh, you should know you know ? Come on, tell me what you know ! Relax just kidding boy, you know, but really, tell me what you know about I want you to know, you know ?

>>169107717
Boss:
>Kalameet
>Alonne
>Soul of Cinder

NPC:
>Ciaran
>Shanalotte
>Siegward

Zone:
>Ash Lake
>Shrine of Amana
>Cathedral

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>>169107717
>Bosses
Manus (1) Ivory King (2) Dragonslayer Armor (3)

>NPC's
Domhnall (1) Vengarl (2) Karla (3)

>Zones
Izalith (1) Doors of Pharros (2) Kiln of the First Flame (3)

>>169108215
Excellent taste, Shrine of Amana is amazing, Ciaran too
>>169108271
Great zones, da mudafackin' Vengarl pusspuss destroyah

Dung Pies any good in DaS3? DoT seems to not be very good or damaging at all.

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>>169107717
>bosses
Artorias
Fume Knight
Soul of Cinder

>NPCs
Siegmeyer
Shanalotte
Siegward

>areas
Painted World of Ariamis
Dragon Aerie
Undead Settlement

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>>169107717
>Bosses
Nameless King
Manus
Fume Knight

>NPCs
Navlaan
Karla
Big Hat Logan

>Areas
Ash Lake
Amana
Shulva

>>169109254
Fuck, messed up areas.
Ash Lake, Shulva and Archdragon Peak then I guess.

>>169107894
>bonewheel shield

my nigga

>>169108890
They're pretty bad.
Toxic in this game does fairly low damage so it's not really worth the work to apply.

>>169109509
I wish mungen monkey would let me see its AR in 3.

>>169109656
be nice, but in general its fun to use, even if nonviable. that WA on it is bonkers.

i completely legit killed a guy in the arena with the bonewheel.

>>169109836
What are your stats/infusion/AR?

What the fuck is that snake doll/puppet thing in Ariandel's room

>>169110106
We don't know dude.

You guys like the Caestus? I'm thinking of doing the classic martial arts monk trope with fist weapons, a talisman, and the Flynn Ring. I think the "naked" outfit would fit that sort of monk pretty well.

What would be the best place to invade as a torturer in 1? Ariamis? Do people ~80 go there?

>>169105571
>don't spit in Oliver's face.jpg

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>>169107717
>bosses
Kalameet
Sir Alonne
Soul of Cinder

>NPCs
Gough
Lucatiel
Sir Vilhelm

>zones
Ash Lake
King's Passage
Archdragon Peak

wish there were more rainy areas

>>169110027
cant remember now off the top of my head, but I was a strength build, and I had the bonewheel completely maxed, infused i think with quality?

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Rank souls waifus in order of purity.

>>169110894
yuria of londor > the rest

>>169111001
>cuckqueen
>pure

How do I make my dumb castlevania build the most optimal?

Do I go quality (refined has literally 1-2 points difference in attack compared to sharp for whips according to mugen monkey) and throw big damage bombs and knives while using resin on the non-witch whip

or do I go dex/faith and use the witch whip + miracles (or maybe regular whip + buffs?I dunno the numbers) and have less awesome knives and bombs

I doubt I can mix all of them because a build based on a weapon that sort of sucks needs health and stamina due to fights lasting long.

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>>169111001
>that slight Yorkshire accent that comes through every now and then

I don't understand how spell buff works. Me am dumb.

How do I make DaS2 easy mode?

I'm pretty good at all the other Souls games but for some reason I just can't get the hang of 2.

So, how do I cheese it? I'm talking I want to basically trivialize as much of the game as possible.

I've heard mace, leo+estoc, hexer? What do you think I should do?

>>169110894
Yorshka/Priscilla > Firekeepers/Emerald Herald > regular humans > witches > maiden-in-black > the talking cats

do you stick to a certain weapon as soon as you get it, or do you cycle through weapons regularly?

What are some hidden gem weapons in ds2?

>>169111420
here's the trick:
you git gud and then you become proficient

>>169111001

She's been sticking a Kaathe statue in herself, anon.

>>169107717
>4Kangz, Weaboo Dude(alonne), Artorias fan club
>Laurentius, Benhart, Siegward
>New Londo, Huntsman's Copse, Carthus

What's the relation between Pontiff Sulyvahn and the painted world? Also why was he such an asshole? I don't get his goal besides be evil lol.

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>>169111420
put your grasses on
nothing will be wrong

>>169111420
>I've heard mace, leo+estoc, hexer? What do you think I should do?
You can do all three, although iirc it's actualy the rapier and not the estoc that cheeses the game

with either mace or estoc you wanna get the stone ring so you can ignore the crazy poise enemies sometimes have in this game, it's before the firekeeper house

>>169111673
He was born in the Painted World

>>169111736
Did he have a proper mother or did someone just draw him in?

>>169111673

He was born there

He seems to be similar to the trees in the place; perhaps one was his mother

He probably wanted to burn the world outside down, like they do in the Painting when it gets shit

He wasn't really bad, rather opposed to the Gods, who aren't good.

>>169107717
>Manus, executioners chariot, super lothric
>Laurentus, Felkin, Yuria
>Sens fortress, iron keep, smouldering lake.

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>>169111827
Darklurker fucked a tree bitch.

This is why Sully killed the Gods to create an Age of the Deep, he's hoping to dive into the dark and confront his estranged father.

>>169110894
Maiden in Black - Has let thousands of men make use of her as a service
Doll - Lets any hunters do whatever they want with her body no matter what
Anastacia - "maiden" who was secretly the village bicycle tounge cut out so she wouldn't tell
Firekeeper - Would be a huge slut but access to willing men is limited
Shanalotte - Was created without vagina and doesn't even know what a penis is

>>169111827
One of the tree ladies in AoA has cut dialogue about her missing child, who is implied to be Sulyvahn.

>>169111736
>>169111832
I thought he was a simple sorcerer who became ambitious when he came in contact with the Profaned Flame.

>>169112051
I also never got who this guy was and why he was down there.

>>169111487
the heide weapons are all top notch shit. lance and greatlance especially.

zweihander is still good

caestus are never better,

Dragonslayer spear isnt as fancy as it is in 1 or 3, but it's definitely more viable than it was in 1, gets some great backstab damage

Old Whip is really good, but has really low durability, keep the durability ring and repair powder equipped

>>169112161
he's a King's Field Reference and thats about it.

>>169112161
From the descriptions of both Snap Freeze and Frozen Weapon:
>One of the spells left behind by the young sorcerer Sulyvahn before leaving the Painted World.
>Sulyvahn was born and raised inside the painting, yet had little use for his frigid homeland, since he had not yet experienced loss.

>>169112051
>shoots fire out of a dark sign
WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEAAAN

I can't believe I just beat Dark Souls 1
What do I do now

>>169107717

>Artorias / Looking Glass Knight / Dancer of the Boreal Valley
>Hawkeye Gough / Grave Warden Agdayne / Sirris of the Sunless Realms
>Blighttown / Shulva, Sanctum City / Irithyll of the Boreal Valley

>>169112360
Oh I see. Sulyvahn must have been very powerful if he managed to bring down Anor Londo.

>>169112051

Do you think Darklurker will be referenced at all in the DLC, given his angelic appearanced?

>>169112598
Start Dark Souls 2

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>>169112339
Guess again fuccboi.
This is the reward Grahndal gives you after defeating the Darklurker.

He's deepest lore.
I hope we get lifedrain patch.

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>>169112921
he's still a King's field reference

>Soul of Gwyndolin
>Soul of Darkmoon Gwyndolin, god of the Dark Sun and guardian of deserted Anor Londo.
>Special beings have special souls.
>Use the soul of Gwyn's lastborn to acquire a huge amount of souls, or to create a unique weapon.
>>>>>>>>>>lastborn

>The unique swordsmanship of the Watchers does not normally allow for the use of shields, and Hawkwood's very possession of it was telltale of his defeat.
>rank 2 reward is a fucking greatshield
What is the meaning of this

>>169113050
Yorshka was adopted

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>>169112921
>"This chime sat long in the Dark Chasm, but still one senses a sublime purity. "
The egg of Ocelotte, child of Gwynevere.

>>169112921
I don't get it. What's the picture supposed to show?

Also what was that old dragon dude's deal? What an "Ocelotte"?

>>169113081
the watchdogs are not the abyss watchers. the abyss watchers were the absolute elite of farron's legion. mooks like the followers or covenanters are allowed to use shields. it also means that you haven't played the first game and/or the abyss watchers, following artorias' path faithfully, are stupid as shit

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>>169113081
>Artorias walks into the abyss, gets his arm shattered and goes insane
>his ""fans"" mimic his hollow, deranged flailings and mock people for using a shield when Artorias used a greatshield

It's pretty bad when even a dragon fag is better for leaving your shitty group.

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>>169113050
The Ringed City Banner mentions his "youngest daughter", who's not necessarily his youngest child, assuming that's what you're getting at. Also >>169113316

>>169113335
>the watchdogs are not the abyss watchers
Fair enough. I thought they were largely the same thing.

>>169113081
>Shield that belonged to Hawkwood, a deserter from the Undead Legion.
>The unique swordsmanship of the Watchers does not normally allow for the use of shield.
>The unique swordsmanship of the Watchers would no allow such a shield, and Hawkwood's very possession of it was telltale of his defeat.

What did they mean by this?

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>>169113356
>tfw no qt to touch your sword

>>169112783
I'll bet money that Lifedrain will be returning as a dark spell and have some vague, offhand reference to the DaS2 darklurker, but it won't be any more than a callback.

>>169113050
>lastborn
This was also mentioned in the Darkmoon Seance Ring.
>This ring is granted to adherents of Gwyndolin, Darkmoon deity and last born of Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight.

>>169113316
>Yorshka
Who said anything about her?
>>169113452
Yeah, I guess she could be the third child. I'm going to loredive some more, I'm sure there's some conflict

>>169113324
The dragon chime is a reward for the DS2 abyss walking covenant.
You kill a darksign wielding angel for it, and now in DS3 angels are associated with the dark and the dragon chick is in the upcoming DLC.

Oceiros is a faggot who studied Seathe's shit and went insane trying to become a dragon, but like the bitch with no scales kind. His son Ocelotte is a child of dragons, and follows the same naming convention of Shanalotte who is also an (artificially) created child of dragons.

It's possible he was invisible and got pancaked, but since that shit was cut we don't really know what the fuck is going on. Whether or not he shows up in the DLC will be interesting to the point that I might actually avoid spoilers.

>>169113356
Don't forget how he used said shield, such a item of importance to him to save his wolf pal, who all his fanboys and furrys fawn over

>>169113452
Gwyndolin was raised as and always considered a female.

>>169113878
Yorshka calls Gwyndolin her "elder brother".

>>169113993
>Darkmoon Ring
>Ring of the moon deity Gwyndolin, youngest son of Gwyn, the First Lord.

>>169113965
What's the relation between the chime and the girl?

Why did Oceiros even want to be a dragon?

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>>169114005
>brother has to always mean that you're related by blood
They're all part of the same religious Covenant. She calls Gwyn "father" and Gwyndolin "brother" as statuses. Have you guys ever been to church before?

>>169114005
pretty sure she just calls him "brother". could be a ceremonial thing, could be because he taught her to. at any rate, i wasn't talking about her
>>169113993
>this fag

>>169113993
Sure, but as far as I can recall item descriptions always refer to him as a dude.

>>169102538
This great set

>>169113993
>Gwyn gives up his beloved and youngest daughter
>raises his youngest son as a daughter to fill the hole left by her absence

Makes sense to me, anon.

How would you improve the weakest boss in dark souls 3?
>Curse Rotten Greatwood
>Crystal sage
>Ancient Wyvern
>High Lord wolnir
>Deacons of the deep

>>169113452
Why did the pygmies need Gwyn's youngest daughter ?

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>>169114308
Jesus Christ he's had this planned from the very beginning.

>>169114308
>>Gwyn gives up his beloved and youngest daughter
Gwyn's wife fucked a dragon. It's Priscilla.

>>169114392
PYGIMIED

>>169114419
>the child of Gwyn's wife and Seathe is Gwyn's child

She would literally be his wife's daughter in that case m8, nothing to do with Gwyn.

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>>169114419
>Gwyn's wife has an affair with a dragon and has a bastard child
>Gwyn begins war with the dragons for tainting his bloodline
M I Y A Z A K I I I I I I I I I I I

>>169113356
>tfw you see an Artorias cosplay that uses both the sword and shield
>and has the sword in his left hand

a special kind of respect

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Who else here has achieved /T R U E M E T A/?

>>169114608
>gwyn has a cuckold fetish and keeps seath around as a bull

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>>169114608
>Gwynevere being a chestlet

DELET

>>169114640
But Artorias uses his sword in his right hand

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>>169114392

What if it's not so much that the pygmies needed her, but that Gwyn needed to get rid of her? If she's an illegitimate child (hurr hurr Gwynevere fucked a dragon), then Gwyn might have swept her under the rug to save face. Meanwhile, Gwyndolin took her place as Gwyn's latest daughter.

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>>169114167
I mean, literally just the broken egg and the dragon. If there's a relation it's either coincidental or they had notes on this shit going WAY back.

Oceiros and other people want to become dragons for many reasons. Power/curiosity is one (Big Hat Logan is a good example), but another thing to consider is that the ancient stone dragons existed outside the cycle of light and dark - they're eternal.
Aldia experimented on this shit and created Shanalotte in an attempt to make human/dragon hybrids outside the cycle.

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>>169114608
If this is the case, then I will never see the intro scene in DS1 the same way ever again.
GWYN'S MIGHTY BOLTS PEELED APART THEIR STONE SCALES.
>>169114863

>>169114419
Priscilla was in a painting in DaS1
The youngest was sent off to Pygmyville at the dawn of time. Can't be the same person.

>>169114640
Uncannily, every last one of the prominent swordsmen who inherited this weapon was left-handed.
>who inherited

Arty was right handed, it would just say everyone who wielded it at all was left handed if not.

>>169114861

Yeah, because his left arm got royally fucked up in the Abyss. It's the only arm he CAN use when you fight him, regardless of whether that was his default or not.

I kind of liked the idea of Andre being the firstborn. His resemblance to Gwyn was there, and it just felt right.

I kind of wished they'd kept that. I mean, it wouldve explained his presence in 3, fuck.

Not to mention him being son of gwyn works within the whole gods mythology thing and Zeus parallels, Andre would literally be Hephaestus

>>169114419
>>169114505
>>169114567
>>169114608
>le cuck meme XD

>>>/v/

>>169114863
Gwyn is not a dragonfucker.

>>169114684
>More split damage will surely fix the issue

>>169115268
Speculation aside, where was it specifically mentioned in DaS1 that Artorias was left handed ?

>>169115479
>any infidelity is inherently a meme

Fuck off pal.

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>>169115531
I will never understand this "split damage is bad" meme. I can kill people and bosses just fine with elementally infused weapons.

Optimal summon range of NG watchdogs? Is it 30 or can I go to 40?

>>169115268
this >>169115567
I don't recall any items describing him as left handed. I may be wrong, I just want to know.

>>169115643
Are you investing in 2, or making it more small amounts spread out over different types?

>>169115075
except he doesnt fight like someone who is right handed.

Sure, he's gone feral and beastly, but he swings the sword like he can barely lift it, and swings it on momentum alone. if he was right handed, he wouldve fought you differently. I think a good paralel here is Fume knight, who is explicitly shown to be left handed and is a heavy Artorias parallel.

they wouldnt have mentioned that his sword falls to left handed people unless he himself was left handed, otherwise theres just no reason for that. (aside from implying Raime used the sword before he became Fume Knight, something which can be done differently)

>>169115567
It's not, it's because in DaS2 weilding Artorias's GS with the left hand gives it a better moveset.

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Reminder that Return to Drangleic is in 3 days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY

>>169115643
It's more about the AR displayed not matching up with the damage you deal so a lot of people pick them because "big numbers" but don't understand why they're not instakilling everything with their 500 AR.

>>169115567
I don't think DaS1 ever confirmed it.
It's a result of as item description in Scholar of the First Sin and the fact that Artorias' greatsword when used there has a special moveset unlocked by wielding it in the left hand

>>169115479
t.gwyn

>>169115643
Because split damage is objectively bad. It;s subject to more mitigation than pure damage, thus the same amount of raw AR split between damage types will always be worse than as a single damage type.

In order to overcome this, split damage weapons need to have more AR than pure ones in the extreme, and very few actually have enough to make up for it.

>>169115825

I'm actually excited because I'm super gay for twinblades. Can't wait to use them again.

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>>169114863
>>169114965

Holy shit. Wait one second. What if the whole war at the dawn of the Age of Fire was one big Trojan War/Hero Goes to Save Damsel from Dragon affair?

Like, say Gwyn's wife was taken by the everlasting dragons for whatever reason, and he threw everything he had at them to get her back?

>>169115960
>I did not have sexual relations with that dragon

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>>169115825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9wEYvgQjSk

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>>169116096
Let me put it like this Anon, I'm glad you're excited for the idea, because to me it sound like the lamest plot twist imaginable

>>169115825
I might get on board with this, just to try out a playstyle I'm totally unfamiliar with like a caster.

Also a good way to confirm if I've finally been softbanned or not in SotFS.

>>169116153
Why is Ornifex allowed to be so thicc?

>>169116235
Because Velka is a goddess of sin, anon.

>>169115807
I just take him having trouble with the sword as a sign of how he's degraded overall, even if he were left handed he'd be used to lugging around his greatshield with his right so the sheer weight would be no issue.

My point on the description is that if everyone who used it was left handed it would say that, specifically calling out only those who inherited it just strikes me as odd.

I've personally always figured that after he gave the shield to Sif he later raised his left arm to guard himself out of instinct and got it fucked up that way, but that's just my interpretation.

>>169116096
Then history really does repeat itself, with Vendrick and the giants and all.

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>>169115567
It was never specifically mentioned. However, some people were under the impression that the guy on EU cover, holding the sword in his left hand , was Artorias, which is not true.

>>169116192
>implying that this won't be a million times more interesting than whatever Miyazaki gives us in DLC2 (if there even is any plot twist at all)

>>169116096
then the whole nito unleashing a miasma and the witches burning the archtrees was a stupid idea

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>>169115825
>you were a good goy and bought the game at release + season pass
anyone else playing the old version?

>>169116396
>Alva with Lothric Sword and Milwood shield walking into portal with Fluted Armors
>literally us going back to previous Souls games because DS3 was so shit
IT ALL FITS.

>>169116464
The archtrees were burned to root out the dragons roosting in them
The miasma was the thing that actually killed the dragons.

Gwyn and his dragonslayers just broke their scales to make them vulnerable to Nito.

>>169112647

Anor Londo was weak by the time Sillyman came along.

Trap boy was pretty much the only proper God still there, along with some Silver Knights.

Sillyman used Aldrich to eat Trap boy, so that was over and done with pretty quickly.

>>169116512
Nobody is, anon. Now be an even better goy and buy SotFS.

>>169115935
and some suspicion based on hos he lifts and swings the sword.

top 10 anime melee weapons for a hexer
1.)???

>>169116621
I think his point there was that unleashing such wanton destruction when Gwyn's wife could be held hostage there would be pretty silly.

>>169116396
>artorias
looks nothing like him. looks more like alva. and that's the black knight greatsword on his left hand

>>169116746
what game

>>169116572
>>169114393

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>>169116621
>Nito continues to prove himself as by far the best lord and basically the Nurgle of the Dark Souls universe

HOW CAN ONE GIANT SKELETON WEARING OTHER SKELETONS AS A COAT WHILE BRANDISHING OTHER SKELETONS AS A WEAPON BE SO BASED

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>>169116746
Roaring halberd

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>>169116464

Pure speculation, but suppose Gwyn ordered that all trace of the dragons and their world be wiped away after the war was over. "Salt the Earth," and all that. Note, that in the intro, those parts of the tale come AFTER we see Gwyn in combat.

>>169116621
this kills the hera clone