Paragon General /parag/

Phew, someone made a new one, I wanted to but never done it before. Also
>Jump man of many jumps edition
really?

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>>168700489
Yeah, I was kind of at my wits end, but I decided to go for it

>>168698973
Oh thank goodness, I just woke up but glad to see someone made it before me.
Also I updated the pastebin.

For the next thread let's add Shinbi and then under New and Patch notes, put Latest Hero and the YouTube video. A little spoonfeedy but now we have it there.
Also add her soundcloud for her 44 second song.

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>>168702045
Last I checked, more people avoid k-pop shit than gravitate towards it

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Latest Hero: Shinbi
https://youtu.be/1EbIG_JUh5g
https://soundcloud.com/omedamusic

>>168702168
This is not about kpop, this is to be done for ever hero reveal.
If they click news and patch notes they will see shinbi, if they play the game they will see shinbi feb 21st and onward.

>>168702045
>>168702265
We could also add a link to the leaked voice files soundcloud until they're implemented

>>168702045
>>168702195
>>168702265
My bad, I'll do it next time

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>>168702383
I can't seem to find it, can someone else post it in here?

I love going into the forums and seeing the worst of this community speak their minds, these people seem so out of the loop yet taking this game so seriously, it's hilarious

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>>168703690
Mean to post this with this

>>168702925
https://soundcloud.com/mehteh-trollfacer/tracks
Here it is, although I also had to search for them a bit.

>>168703881
not that anon but thanks for posting this,
I've only heard 1 or 2 minute audio clips of all the heroes meshed together, didn't expect you to post 2 minute audio of most of the heros

>>168703826
Jesus christ what's wrong with them? Literally fucking autism

Anyone playing in about 1-2 hours?

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Anyone playing today

>>168707386
I might later, in an hour or 2, just not right now

Who /Shinbi main/ here?

>>168707386
I was playing a while ago
And still playing. Mezmezzy

>Ally core down to 1% after a couple diving squads
>attacking enemy core
>Murdock ults
>1 shot our core
Damn the new diving meta

>>168711401
Murdock ult can damage the core?
AW SHIT

>>168713234
It's fucking bullshit, we would've won if that didn't happen.

>not having a 12 cp tuned barrier or plate with 3 3cp armor upgrades 'just in case'

reee

>>168714327
I would be pissed too. This is why I like to kill majority of the team or keep them occupied instead of giving them room to breathe

>>168714704
>universal shit

>>168715252
We were literally attacking their core, and Murdock from the opposite side of the field, like literally from their end of the map, ults, and wins

>>168715597
Yeah we know Murdock ult jlis global from beginning to end but the fact that they allowed abilities to hurt towers, is a real game changer.

Worst part is Murdocks ult is technically true damage and nothing can shield it. Bet it can finish off 5% max

Mage ranged champions fucking when
Literally only 3 mages current meta, gideon gadget belica

>>168718232
>howitzer
>not a wizard

>>168703826
haha

just barely holding on edition, more like

>>168718232
>Caster 5
>fighters 6
>tanks 5 (including narbash)
>range supp 3
>range carry 4
>melee carry 1
>assassin 3 (shinbi included)

>tfw top .63% on fury.gg

when did I git gud

>>168719124
woops 4 assassins my bad forgot countess

>>168719230
Congrats

>>168719124
16 melee
12 ranged
We deserve justice, we deserve more Husbando

Lich caster with incredibly sex bod when?

>>168719230
>fury.gg
you did'nt

>>168720028
well right now i feel like range supp is needed

I really want to like this game but none of the changes they make are inspiring. I mean it's been two months since monolith launched and the same criticisms still apply.

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>using furry
>ever

>>168720227
Range supp is not needed with how viable using Aurora Countess in a safe lane is and constant rotation, unlike the dreadful League of Legends meta is where people will give up or DC if you don't follow the pros

>>168720719
>can't reach high elo in Fury
Im gold in agora and diamond in fury you scrub

>people still caring about ELO
Why?
The only red light is when they start speaking spanish on chat. Trump's wall needs to go digital too honestly

>challenging yourself isn't fun

>watching fake news

>>168722369
There may be no real elo, but you're still improving if you climb in terms of mechanics. Plus once ranked mode goes out you don't want to get stuck climbing out of bronze.
Also to not play with the same people over and over again. Trust me, in a certain elo you'll get placed with and against the same people. I've seen several usernames in my games 2-5 times.

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Where the memes at?

>>168724323
>forcing memes

ree

>>168724431
Not forcing them, but making them. We need art. We need screenies. We need memes like the one in the OP where he posted the jumpman of many jumps

>Be Serath
>close in on Murdock or Gideon
>Literally just hugging their right while normal attacking
>they can't do shit
This is fun

>>168725021
>picking on console players

Anyone looking to play a game? 21st line in the pastebin

>>168725619
I'm comin'

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>>168724573
I think I'll work on one after work

>>168720739
are you saying dekker can't supp against countess or aurora?

>all those tears on shinbi in the paragon fourms

sheesh we can't have even one non edgy character?
The devs seemed like they had alot of fun with her too.

Who is the hero you love having on your team but no one ever picks?

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how do we fix Paragon?

>>168729053
more perfectly proportioned chicks with skimpy outfits

>>168728887
i like almost every hero as long as the player playing them is actually good with them.

>>168730535
is it just me, or have the recent female heroes been very hard to distinguish from a distance? their silhouettes arent well defined and shinbi looks no different.

>>168729053
I don't feel like it really needs fixing right now, except for some balancing.

Other than that, I know this won't meet with much approval, but I would like the gameplay to be a bit more action-y and less restricted by top down view mobas principles. Like, guns feeling more like actual guns(perhaps with reload), ability to properly hide between cover, melee fighters having some actual melee fighting mechanics instead of just holding down left click, that sort of thing.

>>168731741
Not just you. Since Serath I've had trouble with the female silhouettes.

>>168731741
only so much you can do with human females without over designing them.

>>168728887
A good carry.

>>168732448
I don't know, a little different bodystyles and heights would have been helpful. I never get Narbash and Greystone confused. Where my thicc at?

>>168732638
the heights look pretty different.
and im pretty sure narbash aint human

>>168732638
>getting any of the characters confused with each other.
I mean there are a bit of similarities but seriously you might wana get your eyes looked at.

>>168732925
Not out in the open, talking about the orange shadow in the distance at first glance.

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>shinbi and kwang both look Korean
>Paragon team tweeted that Shinbi had learned to control over her spirit wolfs way before she became a pop star.
>Kwang shows up on the shinbi trailer when she says "catch me if you can"
>song also has lyrics that say "i will not be silenced"
>one of kwangs lore entries say "Has a strong belief in honoring ones parents"
If kwang and shinbi are siblings (and im 100% confident they are at this point) the story here is pretty easy to figure out.

>>168733520
I hope she gets an outfit similar to kwangs that doesn't make her look like a cheap whore.

>>168733059
i see iv always identified the silhouettes by movement so i guess i can see your point there.

but i also dont think it will effect what murdock does.
im assuming you are murdock or kallari simply because you are just looking to help the fight or kill.

>>168733674
ehh she will probably get a tier 2 for when she was training at home

>>168733674
>calling a waifu a whore because she likes to dress a certain way

didn't realize this was nazi germany

>>168733674
what whore dresses like shinbi?

>>168734081
Well Shinbi, for one

>>168728887
Kwang

>3.2 sec root to let me beat on niggas
>passive lifesteal to help me sustain

kwang players are almost always 100% bros

>>168735485
any other examples?

>join lobby
>guy asks if theres any plat players on our team
>calls us all ps4 players
>dodges

felt like i dodged a bullet

>>168736682
More like the bullet dodged you

Anyone playing right now?

>>>/v/367864008

Well I guess even lazy as fucks /v/ mods can't stand actual graphics shitposting.

>>168738457
i am im in the middle of a match

Who's down to play?

considering downloading this game, how long does it take to unlock a new expensive hero as a f2p player?

>>168740518
they are all free

>>168740518
0 seconds

>>168740518
All heroes unlocked

>>168740369
i am

>>168740724
>>168740771
>>168740786
oh fuck, there's no grind for shit then?

>>168740920
nope
anything you would grind for are just masters challenges

>>168740920
Cards, but those get given like hot cakes anyway and you'll get them just by playing around

>>168740858
Name Ill invite after I finish the game I am on

>>168726223
No, I'm saying there's no real meta that requires a support. In league not having a dedicated support literally loses you the game.

>>168732638
>>168731741
They all look different to me.
Get ur eyes checked

>>168744252
mate look at high level play and tell me not having a dekker or steel on your team does not equal auto lose

Best way to play countess?

Been using her offlane with a deck I've been using from agora.gg.

>>168744252
What the fuck are you saying? hard cc is this meta.

Why IS sparrow so fucking OP? she like twice as hard as any other adc.

>your midlaner and adc are shit
may as well alt f4

how big is the install?

>>168746079
around 19 gigs

I wish we could queue for games as specific lanes

I only tend to want stuff in mid or right, every draft is either a whine/salt fest or goes smoothly

usually the first

>>168747201
it used to be like that but queue times were like 30-1 hour so they were forced to change it.

>>168747924
Woa is the game doing that bad?

I ignored it for a while because my videocard was old, but now that I upgraded i was looking at games I had skipped for a while.

Are there some blatant flaws in the game that I might be missing?

>>168748435
no the queue times are like 1 min right now.

>>168748435
no he's talking about many months ago. you used to be able to pick your hero before queuing so it would take nearly an hour for them to place you into a game with a full team without overlap.

there were also less players back then

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>Hydroverser Belica
Holy shit, why didn't I get this sooner? She has so much mana it's a natural fit.

>>168750890
>tired of belicas bullshit
>redo my deck entirely
>no mana built at all only mana regen.
>shit on her all day
neat ima re do all my caster decks

>>168720719
>Dekker porn
Anon, are you going to share your findings?

>>168745296
>mfw when I see 6 scroll countess into insane amount of ability pen

lmao

>>168751392
there's a nice little handful of Paragon r34

>>168751392
It's all gay porn

>>168752315
Not enough anon, not enough

>Make a Narbash mana regen build to support people
>Don't realize the AoE heal is an utterly useless mana drain and despite having multiple mana regen items and upgrades it drains it but doesn't heal teammates much

Is there a support hero where the heals are decent, and actually help keep people alive in key moments?

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Who here /dead/ like me?

>>168745297
Aurora is hard CC
?

>>168744750
They honestly don't need it if you can play something else with similar abilities.
I would say you don't need a support unless they have a Muriel. Tons of heroes not only have stuns, but other abilities and card paths than can allow them to have enough actives for for the team and still do damage.

I mean come on, Serath can not only dodge Dekkers stun, but fly out of her ultimate. Dekker is completely skill reliant but even then you would benefit more by having a Muriel on your team.

In short, the heroes are practically replaceable unless you have 5 man coordinated plays. If you're talking pro play 5 man, then that is irrelevant to soloQ since nobody will play coordinated enough to matter until we get voice chat

>>168750890
Reconsider hydroverser, anon.

>>168753598
>gold
>on fury

wew

>>168748435
Consider the following:
League of Legends a billion dollar success moba not only abandoned team select queue where you pick one role, but added autofill to a queue where you select two role preferences. It has honestly nothing to do with the game itself but everything to do with not having the same queue times as dungeons in MMORPGs where EVERYONE needs a healer and tank and dps waits 30 minutes to an hour to spend 15-30 minutes in a dungeon they might not even complete.

It doesn't even work in FFXIV and WoW, nor ESO. Don't enforce it here.

>>168750890
That's a mistake. Belica late game never runs out of mana when she one shots creep waves.

>>168751350
I did the same thing. Plus mana management is really what you should be focusing on unless you're Narbash or Grim with toggle abilities then you build mana.

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I'm about to open gimp and work on some memes.
I'm not a pro artist but I trained in Paint and can edit gifs. Give me some recommendations

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>>168754050
Only used it because it shows my play time
That way you can see how dead I am
Agora has my kda as a different ratio but it's roughly the same
[Spoiler]fucking ads man [/spoiler]

there are sparrow players who max out her q before m2..

>>168753004
what narbashes heals are top notch
get overflowing gifts and circlet of health m8

>>168753004
Muriel doesn't heal but her shields are definitely game changing if you use them right

>>168753913
yes aurora is hard cc roots and stuns are hard cc
also
>muriel is better than dekker
Lol

http://paragon.wikia.com/wiki/Removed_or_Disabled_Cards

>game used to have boots

lmao

>>168753004
try not maxing out your song until your last 3 levels

before that it will drain the shit out of your mana

>>168755068
bring them back

>>168754921

is there a way to get specific cards? I have 200k reputation from playing this back when it was closed

so I don't really know how the card system works anymore

>>168755063
>shields out the ass
>a slow
>if someone's almost dead can instantly tp and shield them plus knock everybody up
>dekker can miss her ult or people can jump out of it if they have a reliable jump ability
? Also Purity sensor
You can cleanse shields bub

>>168755259
You just craft them. Dismantle cards you don't care for and craft the one you want or just keep buying 10k packs/15k weekly packs/ or 2.5k packs to get specific material and higher chance to get the card you want at the cost of less value to rep per card.

>>168755259
There's a crafting system, junk some extra cards and you can create something specific.

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>>168754767
This, but with Belica

>>168753913
m8 Dekker is literally the best support in the game and serath is shit at high level play
even in plat Dekker is still the best even without voice chat cause people in the elo arent dumb and know when to capitalize

>>168755408
so the cards are pay2win? I'm going to get destroyed by people who have the best and rarest cards while I'm using shit common cards?

>>168754904
it should be her rmb and her e maxed first q can wait

>>168755350
shields dont win team fights end game when adc are doing 700 damage per hit. a 2 sec stun on the other hand is easy for your team to use.
also
>using purity censor on a move with 10 sec cooldown
try to purity outta a dekker wall.

>>168755350
dude dekker has been the best support for sooo long and nothing has changed really.

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>>168755570
Nah, cards still can't help you win. Plus cards are given at every interval
>Hey anon, did you win that match? Here's a pack of cards
>Oh hey anon, last match didn't go well and you lost? No worries, have a card pack
>Oh wow anon, you destroyed 400 minions? Here's a card pack to celebrate
>Hey there anon, did you play that ranged hero? Here's a card pack
>Oh wow anon, you played that melee hero quite well. Here's a card pack
They give that shit away like it's fucking nothing

>>168755408
>>168755430

Hol' up there's a crafting system now?

What the shit. I did not see this at all.

>>168755350
Yeah waste your escape jumping over a dekker wall just for her to stun you where you land and team to clean you up.
Its the CC meta bro and dekker has the best cc

>>168755570
you cant buy reputation to buy cards.
and common cards are good.
sparrow only uses them.

>>168755570
I don't know I mean since everyone has access to all cards with in game currency and can craft it and their are alternative universal options you get for free.

Actually I just checked and you can only spend in game currency to get new cards you can't use coins (pay currency) to buy new packs. But you can buy reputation boosters to get more currency every time you play a match instead of directly getting cards. In the end everyone had to play more games to get more cards.

>>168756163
yea m8 and next month cards are going to get a rework so keep an eye out for that.

>>168756335

Huh, well it appears that I already have those two cards.

Guess I'll put'em into the deck build.

Does power affect his AoE heal at all? Or is it just straight heal %?

>>168755570
in low elo you will get people with not much cards like you anyway.

>>168756198
>>168756037
>>168755896
>>168755487
Can you guys stop pretending people at high levels of play can't dodge a small hit box stun and won't expect her to ult them for a wombo combo or to trap someone?

And if your team is shielded for half the damage of what the enemy is giving out do you not realize they put out more dps while yours is detracted from?

Rampage has the same exact stun Dekker has except it's a rock, what makes Dekker better besides an ult that can m i s s

And why wouldn't dekker have stunned someone to keep them from escaping first. Why would everyone at high levels of play KNOW they can be stunned or trapped and let themselves be stunned or trapped?

>>168755570
>pay2win
No, they even give out coins for free
Everything is free and handed to you as long as you keep playing

>>168756531
cuz high level dekkers dont miss. ever.
face it ur waifu sucks

>>168756719
If both teams have a dekker and neither miss, who wins?

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How's this deck build?

Stupid?

>be dekker main
>all these people shitting on and defending dekker

lel

Everyone has access to blink charm so everyone can turn dekkers ult into a high cooldown "spend mana and do nothing" ability. Her stun can be guiled or censored. Dekker is only good because people are dumb and the community is too new/scrub to use actives or actually use the draft during character select to actually counter pick.

>>168756531
http://agora.gg/leaderboard
top 100 players currently and there top 3 played characters.
i see plenty of dekkers and steels
b-but where is muriel???!!!!!
hell i even see riktors
and yeah some of those players even solo q lmsko

>>168756793
the one with the better sparrow/twin they are supporting

>>168756852
I've never used narbash but I can't imagine trying to build him without battle mantra.

>>168757001
Nice try muriel fag i know its you

>>168757262
It's just easier to know a heros weakness when you play as them often. Is anything I said not true?

>>168757029
>their top 3 has 1 dekker so they don't play anything else
>they have been playing since first release and probably played those when they were the only ones available
Your point is? If dekker was so "good" then she would be getting nerfed up the ass until she is balanced.

>>168757376
maybe in a vacume where you dont have a team. capitalizing

>>168757415
she has been nerfed again and again
wtf are you on? Everyone thought she fucking died durring the mono;oth came out cuz her nerfs"seemed" so bad.

>>168757516
>preventing guile or censor from preventing stun
>preventing blink from blinking out of dekker cage

Are you implying you can't counter dekker like what is this logic

>>168757001
This game has an unbelievable amount of actives, dashes, jumps but somehow an ult that MIGHT trap 1 person or end up being used to disengage and a Rampage stun with smaller hit box is incredibly.

Face it, supports that aren't 100% reliable or up in your face like Steel can be replaced by an Aurora, Riktor, Grux
For fucks sake does nobody remember what happened on the old map? Grux Riktor Khaimera Iggy Severog and Gideon PULL/PUSH/STUN META
The fuck was Dekker mains doing? Stunning after the first pull and jumping away leaving the teammate to eat the other pull and stun?

>>168757648
She only has 2 reliable abilities. 1 can be dodged EASILY and the other is on a 2 minute cooldown.

A pro Aurora player will not have a hard time 1 shotting a dekker or baiting her abilities.

>>168757415
muriel used to be broken m8 but she got nerfed once then fell off the face of the earth.
i assume you were not around then.
but yeah to assume the top players only played dekker back then is wrong.

>>168757778
lol what

I was implying dekker is easy to counter I think your response was for the guy who is defending dekker as an impossible to beat must have every game hero.

>>168757906
>1 shotting a dekker
sure if they are bronze and dont build defense/hp

>>168757778
dekkers were just doing the same thing they always did and thier walls did damage and lasted longer back then too.
her stuns also did more damage and stunned waaay longer

>>168758159
>plat aurora can't beat a plat dekker solo
What? Dekker shits out damage now too?

>>168758416
>dekker being by herself
first of all a support wont fight aurora anyway.
if she get caught out by her self (only happends in low elo) she will stun you trow a slow bubble and pop a tempus pearl and be outta there.
>dash up n ult to her
then she will pop her purity
dekker wont stay there in fight.

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>>168745296
Just had a great game as offlane Countess, myself.
Play cagey as fuck with dark tide in the early stages (not for every wave that comes to your tower: you don't have the mana for that, and slow the enemy minions down by engaging them ahead of your wave right before the tower, healer token and siphon should keep you alive). Start with healer token and mana potion, then get your jungler to cover while you go back and buy two shaman's drinks when you have the points. If your team is good at engaging in team fights, your job is to push a lane with dark tide/ siphon combo and then rotate on the fight and kill a squishy or soften up another enemy with your abilities. Ward the shit out of the map and never overextend unless you know you can get a safe kill out of it: if you get caught with your pants down, you better hope you have the mana left to scare them off before their friends show up. Make sure your team control the river buffs and try to get them every time they repop to keep you in the game longer. Late game, they're your main source of mana (I drop my 3 potions after level 10, generally). Never be anywhere near a Belica unless you're specifically aiming to kill her.

>>168745603
She has no escape, sustain or cc. Murdock has mines and a knockback, Twin has an omnidirectional dash and Grim has a slow and knockback, as well as an ability negating shield.

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>>168756037
>Monolith drops
>Dekker no longer has her speed up out of jump
>everyone bitches and moans that she's completely, 100% useless

>>168759031
>dekker caught off guard warding
>Aurora comes and blows her purity sensor with Hoarfrost
>Auroras ally khaimera collapses on Dekker either killing her or wasting her ultimate
>proceed to lose teamfight when Aurora ults everyone

Yeah I'm sure Dekker is going to follow one player around and not ward anything else

>>168760153
No one plays Khai in higher ELO's, if what I'm hearing is true.

>>168760369
Grux and Severog would collapse all the same

>>168755476
Difficult as I'd have to search for an image that looks similar to belica

Can all of you stop arguing for a second and recommended/request some memes
I'm transferring 1700 meme images over to to my laptop to edit in gimp

Like lets get some ideas and content flowing

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>Chasing down enemy Rampage at low health as Lt Belica
>through the narrow corners of the 2 inhibs to almost the core
>After all the bullying Rampage has done
Damn it felt good to be the bully to that thing for once

>>168760676
Give her a ponytail and blue halo spartan armor?

>>168760808
This but with Kwang and Feng Mao?

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>>168760808
Think you can do this but with Lt Belica and Khaimera running at her from behind, and in the second panel Khaimera jumping at her?

>search for /parag/ while making my normal /vg/ rounds for shits
>it exists

wew

By the way, if you haven't already, TAKE THE SURVEY THAT EPIC SENT OUT THIS WEEK, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU TELL THEM THAT YOU WANT

1) NATIVE VOIP (voice chat)
2) CARD SYSTEM OVERHAUL

>>168761504
Got a link to the survey?

>>168761504
I'd reconsider the native VOIP, I've come across some bad mexicans in my time and I've had enough of them in the chat. I really don't want to hear them.

Trump's wall can't come soon enough

>>168761662
search the subreddit, evidently the survey didn't get sent to everybody for some reason, although according to Epic it was intended to.

>>168761820
Fuck off, a game built around teamwork needs comms. If other people send you into a fit of cyberbullied autistic rage, then just mute them.

>>168756335
>and next month cards are going to get a rework

Source on this? I saw the blog post saying that they're redoing the card system but I didn't see anything about it happening anytime soon, just that it was in their plans for this year.

>>168760369
where the fuck is she warding that she get caught out that bad?

Anyone wanna join me for some paragon,right now?

>>168763042
Orb prime of course

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>>168762846
My bad it's actually a small card rework that is the ground work for the larger rework coming in a few months. I guess piece by piece. But still new actives and passive in like 3 weeks.

`>>168760808
I started work on the Killer Queen Khaimera pic from last thread, but damn if the lack of good Khaimera references combined with the awkward angle and goofy Araki anatomy isn't making it hard as hell.

>>168760940
That looks fun, claiming.

>>168763556
thats fair

>>168763754
>tfw 150k rep (and counting) saved for just such an occasion
Got lucky with a chest containing 2000 coins: got more masteries than I can shake a stick at so all that rep is just sitting around getting huge.

>>168764070
What level are you
I'm gonna hit 500k rep soon at 39

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>nonplussed by Shinbi
>she's not even out, so it's 3 weeks plus the countdown to her release before something else comes along
ffs

someone help me out and post god tier grux offlane and jungle decks please

>>168764171
Level 50, but I blew through rep for packs before crafting was a thing, and bought a bunch of deck slots recently. Getting rep bonuses in crates really helps it add up fast.

>>168764240
Hey man, 3 weeks is a high enough turnaround.

And for what it's worth, I don't think anybody was particularly thrilled by Shinbi. Epic is reaching for that PC bang esports scene something fierce. I'm just pissed that I'll be competing with GOTTAPLAYTHENEWHEROfags for offlane.

>>168764240
she looks like fun.
>tfw serath and countess were boring as fuck.

>>168764349
My jungle deck starts with Reaper's Siphon with three minor wounds, then I equip my main Assassin's Ward (I put a disposable 3pt ward in my deck and drop it on the river by safe lane, then back and get the Siphon).
Instead of finishing the ward, I equip one of my early game Whirling Wands with three minor strikes or kinetics (lady's choice). Once both of those are built, you're a monster early game with stupid attack speed and a modest chance to crit.
The Siphon goes whenever your comfortable enough to be without the lifesteal in the jungle (around level 6ish for me) and the points are invested in whatever you're building.

Assassin's ward has two pierce and one drain.
Two Spears of The Rifthunter (both 3-2-2, one with crit and the other damage).
Bloodsoaked Armour (one Major Kinetic, two guards)
Whirling Wand with 3-2-2 damage.
Hunger Maul with 1-1-1 drain.

R8 or h8

>>168764392
Yeah, I know I shouldn't moan too hard: it's f2p and there's new content all the time. Still, this is the 4th sexy female melee not that there's anything bad about that; just want some variety.

>>168764768
>talking shit about muh waifu Countess
>implying that Aurora doesn't suck the fun out of games for everyone else
Oh, we wouldn't get along.

>>168765274
I messed up: two points left to throw into whatever you want (I'd say a Greater Guard on the Bloodsoaked Armour, or just bump your strength)

>>168698973
Add "Caerv" to the pastebin, pls

Hit me up when I'm online (not tonight, too late) for elo hell shenanigans, prefer mic users and I play in the evening

>>168765457
oh no i hate aurora her kit is anti fun. but i find zipping around with her alot of fun.

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>>168768267
I was already on the list

Since nobody has asked this: which affinity is the best affinity?
Fuck everything Fury and Growth are goat tier

>>168769831
Growth and order

Attack armor and triple stat items

+

Censer/guile

Unstoppable power

>>168769831
depends on what you are looking for.
Sustain/tank=Growth
Tank/utility= Order
Mana/Mana regen/Power= Intellect
Crit/lifesteal/pen= Corruption
AtkSpd/Power/Crit= Fury
Anything you need but pen= Universal

Here's the link to the survey for those that haven't done it yet

>>168771509
thanks

>>168771509
Im a dumbass
http://paragon.us11.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=aa4e65a2ab3b6aee6458a88b9&id=b025ac5543&e=f9f3fa35c7

>>168771706
>this long

ehhh I mean if it gave me like a free key I would do it

i wana fuck shinbi
last bump of the night

I'm downloading the game, any tips for a beginner?

Like are there tiers for characters right now? or not really?

Any particular things I could easily miss? How strict is the meta?

Thanks for your help

>>168777463
Sparrow/Murdock right lane and last hit the minions (known as the ADC/Carry)

Aurora/Dekker/Steel right lane and protect the ADC

Gideon/Howitzer midlane

Aurora/Greystone/Howitzer/Crunch offlane

Aurora/Rampage/Khaimera/Severog jungle

these are generally considered high tier by the pros or "OP" by people new to the game.

Different anon here, total noob to mobas.
Is it better to practice with one hero first or focus on trying each role with whatever hero assigned to it?

>>168778812
playing a single hero for a long while is what helped me out.

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>>168777814
>Crunch
>Khaimera
>Not shit
kek

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>>168777463
This was on one of the "pro" teams websites. Aurora is probably in the top 2 tiers.

>>168786261
>all dem roots and stuns

CENCERS + GUILE = FREE ELO

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>>168786261
I wish there was an easier way to make our own tier lists. As is, I think this is more like it

Morning

>>168786261
>>168791913
what tier do you think the new slut will be? Shinbi or whatever

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saw this on a hentai site,who did this?
I cant even think of anyone else outside of 4chan that autism enough to made this shit

>>168797692
She looks like she won't have much defense, and she can't jungle, so she's gonna be either B or C-tier

>>168799005
Link me bruh.

>>168799020
People take Riktor into the jungle, man: yopu're going to see it. Plus, her Circle Rhythm will give her sustain and area damage, so she might actually be decent at it, dependning on how much damage it does/ health it regenerates. She's classed as an assassin, too, so slipping in and out of the jungle will be where she does her damage.

>>168799112
imgur com/a/Q2ah5
This guys is autism enough to edit the sword

>>168799005
I made this.
Even though my skill is inferior,I am willing to take request from you guys.
Post the picture that you want me to edit.

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>>168801774
tits?

>>168801774
I actually like the Aurora one. Could you edit it to make the nipples a more fleshlike shade of blue? Maybe make the bush dark blue?

>>168799424
>imgur com/a/Q2ah5
oh wow, now that's pretty funny desu

>>168801994
>>168802151
sure mate
But it will take awhile

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>>168761387
Finish this one because it was easier to do first
Daily reminder paste AS LAYERS ALWAYS

>>168804050
10/10 m8. good shit.

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>last match have everything go right
>team players actually worked together
>we got orb prime
>we got all the kills
>don't want to play again in fear of losing the feeling of being a winner
How do you do it bros?

>>168805095
it's just a game.

if it helps any, remember that we're using made up ELO right now. care more when ranked comes out.

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>>168805095
I keep playing

>>168784752
crunch is actually used by top players. khai...wellll

>>168799020
what she looks like she has great clear and sustain. jungle/offlane

hello guys,newcomer here.
Is this game goodor worth playing?What made it different from Smite?
And most important question,is this game have any waifu-worthy hero? Like Ahri in LoL etc

>>168804050
gave me a kek.

>>168805996
>asking any gen if you should play their game
what do you think we're going to say? no? shinbi is the new waifu hero, go look her up.

the game has more solid action oriented gameplay than smite, considering this has real skillshots and shit.

>>168805996
>What made it different from Smite?
https://youtu.be/x_xeq9l7DNY

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>>168805996
>waifu heros
soon
also just play and find out its free.

>>168805996
Aurora is qualified as a good tier waifu

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>>168806540
>not Baelica
Come on now

>>168806817
belica fags are already the cancer of these threads

>>168806817
>dat tiny korean boy ass
>anything above mediocre tier
anon....

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>>168805996
There's a few, like Countess, Serath, Belica and Aurora.

>>168807183
That's a toned military ass.

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>>168805095
iktf

>>168807328
my penis looks better than cuntess

>>168807328
I hate Countess' challenger skin: her default is way better.

>>168807828
But we can see Countess, anon, so it's kind of a moot point.

>>168807978
did you just ask me for a picture of my dick

>>168807183
>>168807142
>disliking Belica
Wtf why

what setting do I need to change to remove the annoying blur when you move the camera and stuff like that?

>picks my Aurora
>thinks they're entitled to safe lane when I'm not the support
If you pick Aurora go mid or offlane you cunts

>>168809617
Now*
Seriously what's wrong with thay asshole. Aurora isn't a support

>>168808681
No, I implied that it was microscopic.

>>168809504
Post-processing, I think.

>>168809617
>>168809750
Aurora, Steel and Dekker are the best supports.
My last game, I had Steel selected as safe lane, and the Aurora just rolled on in and acterd like they owned the place. My team's Murdock came offlane with me, though, for some reason.
Incidentally: support Sevarog is retarded, no one should be doing that.

>>168809750
>aurora isn't a support

lmao

>>168810484
Aurora is not a support
I'm playing Muriel, pretty easy building purity sensor and watching the enemy do no damage

>>168811053
>0 team utility
>support
?

do i get more xp for playing vs players? or can I keep farming the AI while I try the characters?

>>168812185
>entire kit consists of
>2 stuns
>2 blocks

Literally the best support in the game

>>168812361
>2 blocks
What?

>>168812361
>2 stuns
Retard she only has 1 stun.
>Purity Sensor
Not she has 1 snare that is easily dodged with garbage power scaling. Any type of sustain or shield will ignore it. Next.

>>168811336
>Aurora is not a support
I'm sorry man, but anything with CC is support. Aurora has a slow, can stack waves and has an ability that draws minion aggro: she's a support. Just because she's Int/ Fury doesn't make her unsuitable for the job. Rampage is a fantastic support, also.

>>168812661
>anything with CC is support.
That's not what support is or means. No MOBA follows this rule. Sure there isn't a Meta but Aurora is not a support and neither is Severog, Khaimera, Kwang, Crunch, Gadget, Grim, Grux, Howitzer, Kallari, Belica, Murdock, or Serath. Yeah all of those heroes have CC too.

>>168812357
Co-op versus AI keeps paying out xp, but the bot games are kind of fucked at the moment. Also, please don't artificially inflate masteries with bot games: it makes people more inclined to let you have your way in the draft if they see you've finished a mastery, but bot game masters are awful.
The best thing you can do is play each character to levels 3 and 5 (if you have the patience): it familiarises you with their kit and gets you two free card packs. Co-op bot games also count towards weekly quest objectives, which give you more cards.

>>168812357
PvP and PvE give the same amount of XP and rep.

>>168812948
>>168812661
Silly me, according to the description Gadget is a support, but Rampage is not.
Guardian = support

Aurora is no support, do not forgo a dedicated support for an Aurora. Big mistake when you get fucked by somebody with support items and a support oriented kit.

>>168812948
who are you to say whos a supp? last time i recall steel is considered a fighter.

>>168812650
Her ult is an AOE group stun, ultra-retard.

>>168812948
Slows aren't CC, man. Sev isn't support because he needs stacks, and can't get them if the Carry needs them. Steel is played support at the highest level, you know. He's team support, not just Carry support, but he does that extremely well, too.
I get that your definition of support is different, and in a perfect world support would mean Dekker, Narbash and Muriel, but aggressive support is the name of the game as long as the meta tends towards building damage.

>>168813504
Who am I? I read the descriptions of the heroes and their abilities. Game already labeled Steel a Guardian, Guardian means "Guardians have abilities which help them keep their allies safe or assist in setting up allies for plays."

Unlike some people, I'm not blindly calling heroes that should be damage dealers 100% supports

>>168813423
>lt belica is now a supp.

>>168813719
controllers can do the job of a guardian just fine.
And riktor quite literally has no moves for protecting his team mates effectively.

>>168813720
She has a stun and area denial, just like Dekker: no reason she can't be. Fey has been played as support, too, because she can slow ganks and sustain herself on lane with a mana refund attack.

>>168813915
Well, there's his grab, his ability nullifying attack and his ult which roots an enemy in place for the duration, but yeah, you're right: no no moves.
The problem with Riktor is the absurd drain on his mana with each move and the fact that you can't build him as tanky as you could on Legacy: wait for a patch that balances these things out even a little and you'll see a spike in Riktor play.

>people saying aurora isn't one of the best support in the game

We can solve this if we just post ELOs

>>168813560
>slows aren't crowd control
Can you stop already a slow is a crowd control. Severog has a snare. You stated to me, wrongly, that "anything with CC is a support" and now think you can decide that a movement speed debuff, that hinders an enemy from either escaping, getting a kill, getting into cast range or joining a fight is NOT crowd control.

You don't understand that the role lf a support in a MOBA is crucial and unless you're a coordinated 5 man pro team that MIGHT break the meta and use a fighter as support, you just hinder your team.

You really think a Sparrow Aurora lane will miraculously beat a Sparrow Dekker lane with Aurora building damage and Dekker with Purity Sensor and healing items? You even think that Aurora is going to not be punished for getting close?

>>168814363
Posr your Challenger elo first and tell me that they won't just have Aurora offlane and Dekker/Steel support if they're desperate for CC

>>168814269
riktor rarely even wants to use his moves to protect rather than agro
and rampage can protect super easy as a support.

>anything with a stun is support
damn I've been playing Murdock wrong all along

>>168813026
huh I don't even know what's a mastery yet

well the thing is they give you a 3 day boost, I just want to spam whatever gets me the most xp faster

if losing gives me less exp I imagine I'd better spend my time spamming bot matches.

>>168814385
Dekker is still the best supp in the game i dont get what you are saying.

>DO you think a gadget/sparrow will beat a dekker/sparrow?

what's ideal team comp in this game? I've been playing for months and still dunno

>>168813915
>Riktor is blitzcrank
>pull, silence and interrupted is not support abilities
Sigh

>>168814385
>an attack that hits a single enemy
>crowd control
>crowd
Steel, Aurora and Dekker all have ults that can affect multiple characters, ie a crowd.

>You really think a Sparrow Aurora lane will miraculously beat a Sparrow Dekker lane with Aurora building damage and Dekker with Purity Sensor and healing items?
Yes, because in that case you're talking early game. Purity censer costs 8 points, minimum, and by the time the Dekker gets it, the laning phase is over. By that time, the damage CC is going to beat out the passive CC because it's a damage meta where team fights are decided in seconds.

>>168814758
murdock does not have a stun. he has a root.

>>168814958
make sure you pick aurora if your team needs support :)

>>168814853
Yeah, that's for the best. Have fun learning new characters, anon.

>>168814992
>pull
>outta mana

>>168814993
>ults that can affect multiple characters, ie a crowd.
>this is my first MOBA the post
Crowd control is not literally for entire crowds you fucking autist. It means you can effect any number of people with an ability that hinders their play

>>168814992
no im not saying hes not a support im saying the term guardian has very little to do with being a supp. Since riktor is an aggressive supp hes much better at setting up kills rather than saving his team. where as muriel is better at saving her team than setting up kills.

>>168815167
He does better late game now
Also
>Not making every pull count
First rule of gitting gud is to stop missing.

>>168815167
Well, there's your problem: you're moving the goalposts. He has the kit, the mana drain's just unreasonable.

>>168815273
>this is my first MOBA the post
It is, in fact, my first MOBA. Which might explain how I know it better than some jackass with a superiority complex that doesn't understand that this is its own game. Seems that any time someone who played League, DoTA or Smite waddles on in, they think their word is Gospel. It's not.

>>168815420
>Guardian literally means support "Guardians have abilities which help them keep their allies safe or assist in setting up allies for plays."
>if the hero doesn't just stun or root it's not a support
>aggressive support is not a support
>supports getting most of the kills in any game
>Muriel can't set up kills
What else would you like to add to your antithesis of mobas

>>168815739
>It is, in fact, my first MOBA. Which might explain how I know it better
Except that you know dogshit.

>>168815273
Way to seize on the technicality when you can't refute the other points. The point is, abilities that effect multiple enemies are crucial right now, and Aurora has them right out the gate.

>>168815898
>Guardian Litterally means supp.
source?
>if the hero doesn't stun or root its not a supp.
I was not the anon that said that i use the fey.
>Aggressive supp is not a support.
Nice reading comprehension i never said that since i LITERALLY called him a supp Agro supps are still supps.
>support getting the most kills in any game?
no idea what your talking about i never said anything like that.
>Muriel can't set up kills
Never said that either i said shes better at saving her team not that she cant set up kills.

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>>168816141
I know that you think you can play Paragon the same way as other MOBA's, and I know that you'd be wrong.
>crowd control doesn't mean controlling a crowd, retard
>this one-second stun is better than an aggressive area-denial damage stun because muh strict roles absolutely must be adhered to
>reeee
etc.

>>168816219
Way to backpedal on your own words. You don't know what CC means and you think CC can't be cleansed or mitigated by a real support

Point is if you're playing a non support solo you don't take safe lane or duo lane it belongs to the ADC and support

>>168816572
>paragon has a safe lane(bot) mid lane and offlane (top)
>Adc, jungler, support, fighter, mage
>literally the SAME meta as other Mobas
>you can't play the same way
Controls and mechanics are different, game is the same.

I hope you're diamond with all this trash talk. You think the games rules don't apply to you, yet apparently there isn't an adc every game huh

Any tips with Kwang?
I had my first game with him in a long, long time and his sustain is great and his damage is decent but I was completely obliterated by Serath and Grim
That game was a complete mess though, I was 0-1 for a long period until late-game, where Serath and Grim just obliterated me and since I had no escape besides my ult, I couldn't do anything about it. Grim would just slow me until I was out of melee range and poke me to death and Serath only need 3 seconds to kill me from full health.
It didn't help that my team was toxic as can be, Murdock was bitching half the time, Rampage was bitching too, acting like he was better than me while being 2-7 and constantly going deep into the enemy jungle only to be killed by four dudes.

Anyways, I just need some help with Kwang, I'd like to use him because I've been playing Greystone since Legacy and his kit has bored me to death by now.

im not arguing for any side but epic basically said these terms mean jack shit.
>Traits are not meant to be a hard and fast set of rules, but rather a guideline. Each Hero is unique and brings a special blend of skills to the battlefield of Agora. In this way, some will show aptitude at different play styles which we will attempt to highlight to let you find the kinds of Heroes that play the way you want. No balancing rules are made based on the below - they are intended to describe the gameplay that already exists to help make choosing the right Hero for you easier, as well as to help players evaluate new Hero skillsets before playing them.
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news/a-new-way-to-look-at-heroes

This game have a loli yet?

rampage keeps his team safe better than every other supp in safe lane other than steel and dekker.
rampage supp is very common at high level play.

>>168817347
Grim.EXE

>>168817114
Did you ignore the word guideline? League of Legends says the same shit, do they break the meta all the time in pro play? No.

The game doesn't have that many heroes so they don't want to enforce a meta when it gets boring limiting your hero pool to 5

You also ignore that regardless, the power scaling for a support compared to a regular melee/ranged is different. You gonna build crit on Gideon because "terms don't mean anything xd"
They define the playstyle and abilities and how they work. You're never going to be 15/1 as a fucking Muriel unless you last hit, but if you check damage charts she isn't doing any.

You can't escape the inevitable meta.

>>168817685
steels scaling is the same as and fighters

>>168817631
Looks like a robot being controlled by an ugly flying goblin thing.

>>168817990
Yes that is how goblin lolis look

pls do not discriminate here

>>168817685
You know other than rampage being a better supp than than most supports.
Also steel and riktor scale the same as a fighter.

>>168818096
Pass, I want cute little girls to murder shit with. Not ugly goblin lolis.

Dekker is a damn deity holy shit

>>168818250
Yea she is pub stomper because no one wants to run censer, guile, or blink.

>>168817952
His description also has attacker on it like twinblast. Take a guess why.
Muriel does not have that and if Steel does not build tank he better be smurfing

>>168818145
Have you checked their descriptions? Says attacker on it. And Rampage isn't a support.

>>168818529
didn't you hear anon? anyone with a stun is a support. rampage has a stun.

>>168818529
rampage still does there jobs better. Pro level games happen all the time with rampage in the safe lane.

>>168818790
That just means low elo children will fuck up your game copying the pros. Happens all the time.

no really though, ideal team comp? when should I tank, when should I support? I don't know the answer to these questions.

>>168818529
>Rampage isn't a support
>can be played effectively alongside the Carry, peeling, stunning, soaking up damage
>generally keeping them safe
>can do the same for every member on the team once the laning phase is over
>not support

Serath is touted as an ADC, but everyone plays her jungle or offlane (Sevarog and Crunch are flexible in their roles, too). I don't understand why people have such autism about using specific characters in specific locations; as long as the team composition is good, it doesn't matter.

>>168819103
well no shit.

>some idiot is last pick
>soft lock carry during draft
>switched to crunch last second
why the fuck do people do this stupid shit? I tried to dodge draft but it was too late. holy fuck this is infuriating.

>>168819142
well to be honest Serath really should not be in the offlane ever.

>>168819142
>just because they do it means I should copy despite what they actually are
So you pick Rampage over Dekker why?

>>168819108
>caster mid
>someone with escapes or a lot of durability offlane (Countess is also a good choice if you know what you're doing)
>jungle is very flexible, but Rampage, Khai, Sevarog, Kallari, Grux and Feng Mao are generally who people gravitate towards
>safe lane is carry (Murdock, Sparrow, Twinblast, Grim.exe) and support (see the shitflinging contest above)

>>168819475
Because the basic principle is the same. How is Dekker's stun better than Rampage's stun? Rampage's rock stun lasts nearly three times longer than Dekker's from minute one: that's insane that early in the game and will probably get a nerf soon.
If you're trying to make the case for her cage, then fine, but that comes around the time the laning phase is over, so there's no point in bringing it up.

Serath is generally pretty bad imo.

>>168819475
The enemy choose dekker first so now you have to pick someone else. in tournament ruleset.

>>168820318
inbred rules

god damnit there's always a dc on every other game

there's no fucking penalty or way to compensate for this?

>>168822929
That seems to drop off once you get out of the lower ELO brackets, but it does happen. Report them directly to Epic with a veiled threat about that kind of player driving people away from the game: the email is somewhere on the forums if you search for it.

>>168822929
the dc gets banned

what do you guys think of the console vs PC debate here? despite the fact that console players are allowed to us KB and mouse if they so choose, I know some guys who feel as though PS4 players are the greatest cancer on this game and make up for 99 percent of the idiots.

I disagree

>>168823719
I disagree, too. I'd imagine that the controller does make aiming harder, but I've been added by some great players who turned out be on PS4, and I've seen some truly awful players on PC, so whatever.

>>168823719
pc players cant see ps4 players but ps4 players can see when someone is on pc. Ps4 players can tell who is cancer easier.

>>168824106
aiming aint to big a deal in this game since folks arent moving at tribes level speed.

>>168801994
imgur com/a/iJpPe
here you are

>>168823719

Once this game finally fucking gets cross-platform voice chat, the only thing that will matter is who has a functioning mic vs. who doesn't.

I'd wager that more PS4 players will be using a mic.

>>168824579
that tickles the pickle

>>168824579
>imgur com/a/iJpPe
the link wont work.

>>168827296
it works, put a dot between imgur and com

I wish these retards would just surrender already holy shit. what's with people staying in losing games ?

>>168828489
some times people what the adc to come online first.

>>168830063
I feel bad for getting upset because somehow we won

>no carry
and this is where I dodge draft

packs only have one card? what the hell...