/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

DARK SOULS 3 IS SHIT

>>168603218
DaS1 > DeS >= BB > DaS3 > > > > > DaS2

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nth for /our guy and gal/

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Whats next in his mater plan?

>>168602903
>It's too slow to be fun.
We all know you hate greatweapons and therefore fun, it's okay.
>inb4 lucy utters something retarded like "i liked greatweapons in bb" despite kirk and souls greathammers having relatively same swing speed

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done and done

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito

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what do you guys do to finish DaS3 at incredible hihg speed

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why isn't there one of these for DaS3?

would it be worth making one?

>>168603386
>mater plan
i would assume rosaria. but if you meant master plan, that would be crashing anor londo with no survivors
>>168603496
If anything it would be toxined. Blessed kills the skeleton

Previous

>>168603256
To be fair, illusorywall is a top-tier dude, and he's trying to promote it as a cross-community event, but it's still based in tumblr and they'll comprise the majority of the audience.

>>168603581
The game has no shortcuts, so probably just a good raw weapon or something plus pyromancy.

>>168603458
Not a fan of Kirks, but at least it could transform into a Straight Sword when you needed something fast.

>>168603581
Not collecting anything but important items you actually want/need and just running through the areas to the bosses gets it done pretty quick.

>>168603656
I thought the DS2 day was a reddit thing?

>>168603604
there was an anon doing it.
I don't have it, tho.

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>>168603635
>implying

>>168603656
Tumblr's a blogging platform, m8. It doesn't have a single, cohesive community. Most normalfags on social media have or use tumblr to some extent and those are the same players who use reddit and use facebook and use funnyjunk and use twitter and so on. It's all the same shit.

Is Irina of Carim for sexual?

>tfw Gwyndolin will never let you past his fog wall to see him without turning hostile

Darkmoons are cucks

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>>168603604

>>168603717
>he doesn't want to invade them in a game where equipment damage actually matters
At least DaS2 had it's discount scraping spear
>get warmth
>get poison-infused channelers trident
>get acid surge
>watch them suffer

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>>168603862
No, Irina is pure.

>>168603581
Enjoy myself during it's fun gameplay. Clear every area 100% actually. I don't like rushing ds3. If you can't enjoy the game and are just doing it to create your ebin pvp build you're not going to have more fun you know. It's the journey that counts, not the destination.

>>168603862
Only once she's become a fire keeper.

>>168603376
How complete was the Dancer's mindbreaking and how loyal did she end up becoming to Sulyvahn?

>>168603993
there's only so much of the first half of the game I can bear, even if the rest is quite enjoyable

>>168603993
fuck off mom

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>>168603862

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DROP THE SHIELD YOU FAGGOT
>>168603808
it's literally called an infection by the game. blessing the thread with that is the equivalent of /v/ermin influx

>>168604009
She was exiled and changed into a beast-like state, she's probably about as loyal as a dog.
>>168604081
>he doesn't like undead settlement and road of sacrifices
>he doesn't like fucking CotD

>>168603990
Yuri isn't pure though

>>168604009

She's no doubt a simple minded beast now, albeit a feminine one compared to the other Outriders.

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>>168603884
Nigger the devs fed my god to a pile of shambling sewage, then killed off my covenant.

You really think anything you can say can top THAT level of indignity?

>>168603951
In a game where shields matter so much, I feel like sticking to the "this tier list only reflects weapons as standalone" rule is rather pointless. If you pretend a weapon's synergy with a BK shield doesn't influence its position in the tier-list, especially near the top, then your tier list woefully misrepresents the current meta.

>>168604137
Nito is the Lord of death, decay, and all related things. Any blessing from him would be an infection by any other standards.

>he doesn't want to be blessed into a skeleton

>>168604203
>>168604153
I was talking about prior to getting sent out as a beast though

>>168604278
I don't think she was mind broken at all, she was just pressed into doing whatever because he's the pontiff.

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>>168604153
i would rather fuck a rusty razor than go through the unholy trifecta that is road of sacrifices, cathedral of the deep and farron swamp

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>>168604137
FUCK YOU
so, remind me. the best way to farm is to stack all items or only use the best one?

>>168604121
This pic doesn't answer my question

>>168603951
>Any spear
>Top-tier
Attacks are slow and telegraphed, easy to parry. Weapon Art is ridiculously easy to parry. Bad weapon tracking makes it easy to strafe.

Not saying spears are bad. Spears are pretty good, but if facing a high-skill opponent, they are not the best weapons to use.

>>168604392
Farron swamp is the only bad area of those three, fuck your opinions.

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>>168604157
Yuri is the purest love!

>>168604392
Seriously, they've got to be some of the most boring areas in Souls games.

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>>168604251
>>>implying I haven't already ascended
to call it a blessing is silly though

>>168604221
Shields were stronger in DaS 2 yet that list was made without them as well

>beat dark souls 1
>look up video for my ending since it cuts off abruptly

>literally hundreds of people talking pages in depth about all the lore in this game

>cut to me wondering where the fuck they got all this information.

WHERE THE FUCK IS ALL THIS LORE GIVEN EXACTLY?

>>168604210
Aldrich Faithful is the one true faith. Gwyndolin is a fraud

>>168604509
i'm sorry I have more respect for my eyes than to want to grace them with three whole areas full of endless GREY BROWN

>>168604541
There was nothing sexual between those two sisters

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>>168604605
>he didn't read the item descriptions

>>168604392
That's some pretty shit taste you got there.

>>168604210
>You really think anything you can say can top THAT level of indignity?

Finding out that the god you worship turned into a dragon fucker is pretty bad. You know, as the enemy of your covenant are...dragons.

>>168604745
Then why do they hang around eachother naked so much?

>>168604605
E-celeb ass.

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>>168604439
Sure it does. Irina is not for sexual because Eygon will WoG you if you corrupt her.

>>168604605
It's really popular to asspull with DaS lore since Memezaki leaves things vague or doesn't explain some things at all.

>>168604596
Shields had terrible weapon-synergy in two and were basically nonexistent in the top-tier meta outside of pose-based estoc turtling, which was something that only really came about in the twilight of the game's life long after the tier list stopped being updated.

Meanwhile the BKshield is literally the hard counter to flame spear and washingpole and its synergy with straightswords boost their position in the meta meaningfully. By the same stroke, weapons which can beat BK shield + SS are more important in the meta as a result.

It's just like how Yhorm's is actually a piece of hot fucking trash outside of the OH gimmick with a mainheand SS. It has no business being high-tier outside of that synergy and yet there it is, in high tier.

>>168603581
Watch some recent speed run and mimic what they do the "log-off" leap of death is really useful.


>>168603993
I rush characters to play the game at higher difficulties. Fuck pvp I'm bad at it.

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>>168604745
There is if you pretend.

>>168604785
The ultimate irony is that his followers now kill him for tokens in order to donate to his statue to earn favor with him.

Explain that with your "theology"

>>168604810
But what if Eygon himself is the one who's sexualizing her and she loves it?

>Crescent Axe isn't even an axe anymore
Why do they keep screwing with this thing

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What the fucking fuck, just fought the Lothric princes and had some really BS happen to me.

I was out of estus and had 1 hit left before I would die, and so did the boss - so it basicly came down to a mexican standoff between me and the boss, as the princes had 1 hit left also.

I manage to dodge and get the last hit in first, effectively killing the boss, and starting the his death dialog, when their miracles hit me right after and killed me.
But some fucking how, it doesn't count as a win, even though I killed the boss, before they killed me.

I have fucking done the exact same thing with another boss, where it counted as a win

>>168604605
Most of the generally agreed upon lore is based on on item description or very light extrapolation based on known facts. There's ton of informations about the setting if you read up the item descriptions, it's just tha a good part of it is incomplete or requires multiple items to pierce together.

And then you have the really out there theories, like how a subset of people think Executioner Smough is secretly one of the bosses in Dark Souls 3

>>168604981

Dark Souls is literally suffering.

>>168605068
Princest has a long bit of dialogue during their death animation. Kill credit is checked afterwards

>>168604785
Firstborn's treachery happened before DaS1, so he was a dragonfucker long before you joined. Lothric's knights worshiped him (explained in their item descriptions and is also why the statue is there), and they also tamed, rode, and encouraged transformation into dragons.

The covenant is simultaneously about killing dragons and becoming them, because Firstborn has a very confused libido.

>>168604767
I didn't unfortunately.

>>168604797
>>168604846
>>168605126

thanks. I have adhd and other memory effecting issues, so memorizing and understanding all the lore in item descriptions is basically impossible for me

>>168604210
>snakes are imperfect dragons
>snakes symbolize undead and dark shit
>gwyndolin has snake feet
>gwyndolin is the dark sun, has a dark talisman, and channels faith for sorcery (heresy)
Good grief how deep does the rabbit hole go?

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HA GOTEM

>>168605126
>like how a subset of people think Executioner Smough is secretly one of the bosses in Dark Souls 3

Aldrich?

Perhaps he ate his body [with armor] after the CU killed him back in 1.

Smough just made use of executed criminals by eating them.

The big thing with Smough is whether he's a giant or not. He's got a similar sounding name to Gough.

>>168605018
Eygon is anti-degeneracy.

>>168605160
Well I still think its fucking bullshit, boss hp bar reached 0 before mine, so I should have won that.

Got so pissed I summoned phantoms for the first time ever, and proceeded to kill the boss.

Im pissed and feel fucking dirty right now, as Ive never summoned in none of the the souls series before, for a boss. Feels like a cheap win

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>>168604810
>only just now noticed the chameleon pot scuttering behind Eygon
Additional kek

>>168605350
>smough's name is similar to gough
>smough's armor is described as being too large for a human
>smough literally ground bones to make his bread

It isn't rocket science.

>>168604904
Dark souls pvp isn't skillbased. The only fun pvp are invasions/coop. The game already has bad connections, limited attacks, and bad weapon balance. Any youtuber who makes dark souls dueling videos is just too shit at actual fighting games. And that's why they all flocked to For Honor.

>>168604810
>morne gh powerstance

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>>168604137
>>168604394
Post your delicious stats you beautiful human being.
If you're going Dark O&R I can also recommend picking up a Dark Sanctum Shield and SMS so you can buff your shield with shield magic using another shield.

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>mfw snap freeze in Irithyll dungeon
There is no escape, fuckers.

>>168605356
It's not degeneracy if it's loving and consensual

>>168605517
He already did

>>168602271
>>168602446


Look at that damage >>168601916

>>168604896
Shields in 3 are the weakest in the series, except for BB.

In 2, having the 100% reduction ones, specially gyrm, ready for swapping, coul shut down a lot of weapons.

In 3 they're okay, BKS is only that good because it has broken, near GS stats for such small investment, but they lack the gigantic reductions they had in 1 or any meaningful deflection.

>>168605672
Damn he'd have to pump another 10 levels in STR to wield the babies, what a shame.

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>>168605578
>mfw walking through snap freeze because frostbite is a joke.

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>>168605517
44 str GETTING THERE. It was a guts build I picked back up to try all the weapons with. And I mean ALL the weapons. Smiting archdorks for titties as we speak

>>168605672
>20int/20fth
No wonder he's only doing 1434 damage, my crypt clunker does way more than that at 30/30.

>>168605831
b-but slightly reduced stamina gain and increased damage taken

so, I don't wanna go over 40/50 str right for a str build where I'm heavy infusing my wep?

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>Do Siegward's quest line
>Notice that Yhorm has a real face and his hood only makes it look like a hole
>Look closely at the giant in Irithyll dungeon and the ones after Pontiff near the Drang knights
>DS2 holeface
>Yhorm's armor isn't in DS3

Miyazaki's an absolute fucking madman

What's the most balanced Soul Arrow in terms of speed and damage? The arrow in between Farron Dart and Soul Spear?

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DaS1
>garg helm
>knight shield
>drake sword
>chain armor

DaS2
>drangleic sword
>drangleic shield
>drangleic armor
>vengarl helm

DaS3
>irithyll straight sword
>grass crest shield
>pisspants armor

Why do newfags have such poor taste?

>>168606224
>Yhorm's armor isn't in DS3

Cut content because it looked horrible.

>>168606224
What is the difference between holeface giants and normal giants? Some kind of chaos/abyss/deep/etc corruption?

>>168606335
pisspants?

also idk drangleic armor looked pretty rad, though it was certainly overused.

>>168606376
Never explained. DaS1 giants didn't have hole faces, they just looked kind of neanderthal but the texture was flat.

>>168606401
Fallen knight set. Read the pants description.

>every covenant name except for dorkmoon displays properly in your character stat page

It really does seem like darkmoons are just an elaborate joke in DaS3.You will truly only find this advanced meta-level lore from a mastermind like Miyazaki

>>168606401
>pisspants?

Armor of the Cowards aka Fallen Knight set.

>>168606335
It's fucking hilarious to me how the faggot hosts with 2 scaled down bodyguards are invariably wearing fallen knight, it's like they're TRYING to fit the stereotype.

>>168606335
I never actually saw anyone actually wearing chain armor in DaS1, and I did a ton of low-level invading.

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>>168606224
>Look closely at the giant in Irithyll dungeon

How closely?

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What are the sunless realms?

first post decides what """build""" and/or weapon to use for my fingered run

>>168606668
claw with miracles

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>>168606224
>>168606376
>>168606457
I promoted the theory that the Anor Londo/Cathedral/Settlement giants have holes based on this and several other images but it turns out what I've thought was a hole is actually just a gaping mouth, and their eyes are completely untextured because of the helmet. Will post in a second.

>>168606504
Makes sense from a blind playthrough perspective, though. Fallen Knight set has the best defenses for its weight by the time you find it and for a while after, and Irithyll Straight Sword is the first clearly magical weapon with the first status effect players have experienced up to that point. The fact that defense and frostbite are largely insignificant aren't things they'd know, and the guide sure as fuck doesn't tell them.

>>168606627
>it's not a hole

o-oh...

>>168606627
That's interesting, I guess I couldn't see the nose because of the helmet. Is that giant model actually missing the top of its head?

>>168606645
Irithyll

>>168606645
Presumably lands close to Irrithyl, where the sun doesn't shine.

holy shit invasions piss me off sometimes, invaded a world where the guy had 2 summons, killed them both, he ran to summon more and when the summon failed he ran into the boss room

>>168606702
alright, I hope that bleed still rapes dancer

>>168606826
HIS WORLD
HIS RULES

>>168606761
Ah fuck its already here >>168606627
Also I want to thank Based Zullie again for this.

>>168606826
>tfw can't backstab them out of fog gates
DaS3 panders to hosts so, so much.

>>168606627
So hole head giants are noncanon?

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>>168606645
Anor Londo and Irithyll.

>>168606826
>this is miyazaki's glorious vision

>>168606831
it does. also claws with Blessed Weapon looks really nice

>>168606950
There is a giant tree in Firelink but who the fuck knows.

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>tfw nobody uses Gargoyle flame hammer

It's like playing whack-a-mole except with fire. It's also really easy to farm.

>>168606950
Hole head giants are the product of rushed development. Shibuya dev wanted to show what giant faces looked like under the mask, but the faces he made were absolutely retarded. There wasn't enough time to make new faces on top of everything else, so they just scooped out the faces and pretended the holes were their real faces.

>>168606645
The lands that became Irithyll.
The Profaned Capital was former-Anor Londo
Sulyvahn orchestrated its destruction via the Profaned Flame and built a new city over its ruins. The only part of the old city that he kept and preserved is the big Cathedral and corkscrew lift

>>168607049
Is the WA any good? Can you turn the way you do with fire surge/dragon head stone?

>>168606335
drangleic is quite based armour though, looks rad as fuck.

>>168607124
>The Profaned Capital was former-Anor Londo
>implying anor londo was ever under the ground
>implying sulyvahn is the one who flamed profaned capital
Lorefags really are retarded sometimes, huh.

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>>168606957
Rool

>>168606950
There's a holeface giant tree in Firelink so the holehead giants are canon.
There's just presently no in-universe explanation for why some giants have holes for faces while others don't. It's not clear if they're two unrelated tribes that just so happen to both be large stone humanoids called "Giants" or if they're the same race and the hole head is the result of some phenomenon

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>>168606957
Roll.

>>168607187
The WA is good for chasing but has poor damage even when fully upgraded. No you can't turn when using it but it has tracking though.

>>168607049
You and me both, its lightweight and its weaponart has nice range, tracking, and damage.
>>168607187
It's good, but it locks into place after the second R2. You can plop it down, and when your enemy tries to circle you you'll turn around and burn em.

is the black knight glaive good? or should i stick with my lucerne

>hollows turn into dregs when they die
>giants turn into trees when they die
>ash lake is a deep sea full of trees
sausgusa miyazaki

>>168607262
>>168607119
If they turn into stone trees when they die, does that mean chaos? Chaos shit is wooden, right?

>>168606950
Probably only golems are assfaced

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>>168607348
>tfw the Calm One is the Ringed City's final boss

>>168606957
>permadeath

What?

Also roll.

>>168606957
>>168607348
>not a single additional right
FUCK you thats no fun im going to reroll I don't even care.

>>168606957
/ss/ please

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>>168606957
Roll

>>168607470
Not necessarily. Archtrees existed before Chaos ever did, hollows are turning into trees without being chaos infected, etc.

>>168607540
The furtive pygmy is TRC's final boss

>>168607242
Izalith wasn't ever in a forest of Archtrees, either. The shifting geography of the game's world just buried it.

What we know is that Sulyvahn discovered the Profaned Flame and recruited the witches who conjure it into his private army, and then used it to overthrow the Gods.

We know Irithyll itself is not Anor Londo because the architecture of the city itself doesn't match, and is clearly much newer. We also know that Irithyll was not called Irithyll when it was under the God's control because Sirris refers to it as "The Sunless Realms"
We also know that the actual Cathedral part of Anor Londo, which was preserved, is not a natural part of Irithy'lls architecture because there's literal broken stonefaces of discontinuous structure where Anor Londo ends and Irithyll begins. But, at the same time, we know Anor Londo's Cathedral wasn't just plopped into the middle of the city by "transitory lands" because that would imply that Sulyvahn turning against the Gods happened after his rise to power, which is clearly not the case.

So Sulyvahn used the Profaned Flame to destroy Anor Londo, the capital of the Sunless Realms and rebuilt it as Irithyll.
And there just so happens to be ruins of a capital city that was burned down by the Profaned Flame directly connected to Irithyll, almost as if the two are related.

>>168605068

I had the same thing happen to me, except I was a phantom. I got the souls and the sunlight medal, but the host apparently didn't get shit since he summoned me again for the fight.

>>168607912
But the DaS2 giants are also a race of pyromancers and tree people + fire = chaos if I understood DaS1 correctly

>>168606335
>Fallen Knight is a very aesthetically pleasing set
>forever stained by being associated with plebs
Ah hell. It looks great on a pyromancer.
Either way the issue with the pants get diminished a lot when you realize half or more than half the people who laugh about it ignore the fact that they keep carrying literal piles of mois feces in their inventory while wadding through thigh-deep pools of liquefied giant feces or rotten swamps and sewers.
Dark Souls games aren't very hygienic at all.

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>>168606789
>>168606795
>>168606957
>>168607124
Are you people fucking retards or what?

>>168608070
This must be bait

>>168606778
>Is that giant model actually missing the top of its head?

Yeah. They had no reason to model or texture the top, since it's covered completely by the helmet.

>>168607586

No Death/Ironman/Hardcore.

>SL 16
>invading Farron
>crystal soul spear to the face on spawn

Well, alright then.

>>168607124
>Ordered its destruction
Negro the prophaned capital was most likely destroyed because of Yorm. When Yorm linked the fire, the lore says that it rained with fire not only burning him but everyone around him in the capital.

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So how many levels above 120 is okay?

>>168607978
>We know Irithyll itself is not Anor Londo because the architecture of the city itself doesn't match, and is clearly much newer.
Please show me the DaS1 screenshots of "suburban" Anor Londo that you could use to substantiate this claim

Also, if you're going to go by mismatching architecture, the Profaned Capital looks nothing whatsoever like Anor Londo

>>168608370
0
You are banned

>>168608528
*is banned*
ok

>>168607978
>and recruited the witches who conjure it into his private army
Headcanon. The fire witch equipment does not state that they're the ones who created the Profaned Flame, only that Sulyvahn made them carry it around and use it until it corrupted them. Eleonora being dropped by the poop hand monsters in Profaned Capital make it very clear what happened to the Oracles who made the Profaned Flame.

>and then used it to overthrow the Gods
You made this part up, and it's not stated anywhere in the game. In fact, nothing ever says Sulyvahn took over Anor Londo by force of might. He worked his way up to a high rank before feeding Gwyndolin to Aldrich, which made him the next in line.

>Irithyll naming technicalities
And Profaned Capital was not called Profaned Capital before it got roasted. Your point?

If you can't figure out that Profaned Capital is what's left of Carthus after falling to dark, I have nothing to say to you.

>>168608464
If anythng Profaned Capital looks a lot more like Oolacile or even Firelink Altar

>>168608070
>Mirrah shield is the "shield of the Holy Knights of the Sunless Realms."
>Creighton the Wanderer (of Mirrah) invades in Irithyll

I'm surprised I've never noticed that before.

>>168608362
>linking the flame created a dark, accursed fire connected to the abyss that burns only human flesh
>but also preserved the age of fire lol
Not buying it.
The irony of Yhorm's sacrifice is that he was the city's protector, it's unbeatable heroic vanguard. As long as Yhorm was around, nobody could fuck with them. That's why they made him king even though they hated him.

When he departed to link the fire, the city was IMMEDIATELY attacked and destroyed because they no longer had their guardian to protect them. They were defenseless because they turned their defenses into firewood.

>>168608618
>When he departed to link the fire, the city was IMMEDIATELY attacked and destroyed because they no longer had their guardian to protect them. They were defenseless because they turned their defenses into firewood.

Holy fuck kill yourself along with your fucking fanic. Theres a item that litterally describes the fact that the prophaned capital was destroyed when Yorm linked the flame, because it started raining with fire all over the city. Its fucking canon.

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>>168607451
>sausgusa

lrn2weeb negro, looks like you're trying to spell "sausage"

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>>168608052
The fact that Bed of Chaos was a tree doesn't immediately mean all trees are chaos.

>>168608070
No, but you are.

>talisman given in the sunless realms
>talisman of the darkmoon knights

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>>168606957
Rolling

>>168608070
>>168608906
Mirrah is one of the Sunless Realms then, checks out in my book.

My question becomes, what were Knights of Mirrah and the other Sunless Realms doing in the Undead Settlement?

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>>168608876
sasuga dense cunt, it totally wasn't intentional

>>168608618
You clearly don't understand much about the Profaned Capital's history. Here, a brief rundown:

>the Profaned Capital is a wealthy city that hosts a famous sorcery school and some kind of empire, with Yhorm as its leader
>the priestesses of the Profaned Capital get butthurt at something the city has done, and so concoct a plan for vengeance
>use their magics to mix together a sample of the Abyss and some other flame (probably chaos) and unleash it on the city
>this Profaned Flame burns naught but human flesh, targeting exclusively the inhabitants of the city while leaving the stones intact. That which it does not incinerate it mutates into horrible monsters
>to end the carnage, Yhorm collects the Profaned Flame and sets off to the Kiln to obey his mandate as a Lord of Cinder
>he dumps himself and the Flame into the First Flame, hoping to destroy the rancid fire in the strength of the First
>this plan fails, as the Profaned Flame may never die
>it arcs through the skies, returning to the city and destroying everyone inside
>except those who cast it
Pontiff only ever saw the ruins

>>168603386
He's dead you stupid fag, all gay baby bosses deserve to die.

>>168608906
>The fact that Bed of Chaos was a tree doesn't immediately mean all trees are chaos
No, but pyromancy trees are certainly suggestive

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>>168609298

>>168608464
>Please show me the DaS1 screenshots of "suburban" Anor Londo that you could use to substantiate this claim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T4g26Is9AI
Very clearly not Irithyll architecture, but the cobblestone matches the design in the less-ruined parts of the Profaned Capital, such as the WoG church.

The bonfire tower is very clearly a construction that was made post-DaS1 but pre-burning, since it's literally decorated with statues of bearded God-men in robes raising a tower. It was built as a commemorative structure rather than a practical one, probably as a testament to the city's glory

Plus the burning nicely mirrors the whole Rome/Constantinople theme DaS3 had set up. The culture and bloodline that made Anor Londo great abandoned it and moved on to Lothric, a city located as a transitory point between multiple lands surrounded by the greatest walls of the medieval world but gradually succumbed to stagnation and royal inbreeding.

Meanwhile Anor Londo burns down, leaving only a small "old city" remnant in the heart of a new, almost unrecognizable construction, with the old city serving as the locus for religious heritage (Vatican) and the new city being under control of a new, almost entirely unrelated culture of usurpers.

Irithyll/Anor Londo and Lothric are fictionalized historical allegories. It'd be silly to assume that the capital profaned by fire is unrelated to the capital of the gods of fire built directly over top of it and ruled by a tyrant that usurped the gods by using the same flame which just so happened to destroy the capital.

>>168608618
>linking the flame created a dark, accursed fire connected to the abyss that burns only human flesh
READ ELEONORA'S DESCRIPTION YOU STUPID FUCK

Profaned Flame was created by a bunch of oracles in the capital. It was not made by Sulyvahn, it wasn't made by Yhorm.

Yhorm's ashes says
>Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest, knowing full well that those who spoke of him as lord were quite insincere.

Profaned Flame spell says
>The Profaned Capital was consumed by fire after Yhorm the Giant became a Lord of Cinder. The fire, born of the sky, is said to have incinerated naught but human flesh.

Yhorm tried to quell the Profaned Flame by linking the First Flame. His attempt backfired, and fire rained down upon his city and roasted everything human.

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Posting this one more time. Full list of named areas, in order. I dont know size/bosses/bonfires/etc so please don't ask.


Dreg Heap
Outer Londo
Inner Londo
King's Chamber
Progenial Village
Ash Lake
Ashen Mist Shrine

>>168607430
anyone?

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>>168603370
DaS1>DaS2>Das3>BB>DeS

>>168609159
>>the priestesses of the Profaned Capital get butthurt at something the city has done, and so concoct a plan for vengeance
where is this stated? the rest I know for true except the "he dumps himself and the Flame into the First Flame", might've been just the PF, but it affects little

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgFw_3bg_GI

>>168609561
>no elevator meme or miyazaki is stupid
Seems fake.

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>>168609410
>sulyvahn's body just straight poofs away instead of disintegrating into ash like all other boss death animations
>in the game that pushes the tangible illusions meme harder than any other
Post yfw Sulyvahn is the final boss of TRC

>>168609159
I like this summation. It's not 100% confirmed, but it seems plausible enough based on information I can recall from memory.

Although it begs the question of why Yhorm would let a bunch of the people who destroyed his city to just roam around it and not stomp them into the ground.

>>168609042
>misspelling on the internet
literally a dumpster garbage babby

>>168609561
>Ash Lake

Terrible.

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I know this is a bit boring, but how do you build for quality at sl60?

Basically I want to do aldrich invades switching between all the duel weapons with a character called "Bring Back Powerstancing" or something to that effect, but Im not sure how to build it so it isnt COMPLETELY terrible.

>>168609679
>sulyvahn's body just straight poofs away instead of disintegrating into ash like all other boss death animations
>then you make a sword out of his soul and kill his dogs and everyone in his church because he's dead

>>168609638

The Profaned Flame was triggered by the curse of these women, relatives of a certain oracle, but despite their culpability, they went on living, without any cares. -- Eleonora

Oracles triggered a curse, they did so because they were obviously angry about SOMETHING

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>>168609561
>ash lake
>ashen mist
You're a funny guy.

>>168609679
>sulyvahn's body just straight poofs away instead of disintegrating into ash like all other boss death animations
Isn't that how most bosses die? The effects doesn't look that different from other bosses, although I'm not entirely sure. I want to believe.

>>168609561

Source: Anon's cute butt.

>ds2
>host a fight club for a good hour with the same 5-6 people
>have to go but no idea how to make it clear
>forbidden sun the last guy bathing in warmth
>he runs away
>seed of a tree of giants
>dark spirit has been vanquished
It's not even fair how much fun this is

>>168609706
It also begs the question of
A. how he "took" a flame
B. why he thought dumping a flame into another flame would do anything
C. why/how the fire just "flew back" across the sky and back to the capital after he linked the fire.

None of those things make sense without making huge assumptions in logic. It's not even suggested anywhere that Yhorm "took" the profaned flame, only that he linked the fire to stop it.

What those item descriptions tell us, though:
The Profaned Capital wasn't originally underground, or else the fire couldn't have come from the sky.
The Profaned Flame existed before Yhorm, linked the fire and was a threat to the city
The attack which destroyed the city didn't come until after Yhorm sacrificed himself.

Knowing, as we do, that the Profaned Flame is abyssal in nature, it would suggest that Yhorm's plan was to stop the Profaned Flame by banishing the dark that fueled it. He linked the fire because that was the only way to counter the dark, but it clearly wasn't enough to stop it completely and the defenseless city was destroyed when the "Oracles" retaliated.

None of this runs contrary to the idea that Sulyvahn discovered the Profaned Flame and used it to destroy the capital. In fact, his established connection to the Sable Church and their magic would strongly suggest how the dark-fueled Profaned Flame remained a threat even after the fire was linked.

>>168609718
>>168609920

Not him but ASH lake anons.

>world turns to ash
>giants become archtrees
>archtrees feed off of ash and sprout a new world from the branches

>have to dump 30 points into a pointless stat to get the same default roll as in DaS1

Fuck this game.

>>168610126
or you could point him to gravity/lava.

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Is Farron Keep Oolacile/Darkroot?

>>168610270

The profane flame is the dark soul anon, the blackflame. Thats why sulyvahn and sable church give a shit about it.

So should I take Lothrics Holy Sword, or Lorians greatsword

Which one is the most fun

>>168610285
welcome to ds2
if youre enjoying your stay you wont be for long

>>168610458
50%

>>168610480
Blackflame is literally black.
Profaned Flame looks like normal fire, as seen by the Gargoyle weapons, Profaned GS and Immolation Tinder

>>168610270
>how he took a flame
You can literally pick up a fire, you watch the Firekeeper do the exact same thing in the end of the game

>why he thought this would work
Because incinterating fires in larger fires has solid precedent in these games. See: kindling bonfires, the inherent process of linking the flame. If the Profaned Flame is indeed chaos + abyss, then all he would be doing is linking the first flame with an unusual dark/life soul mixture.

>how did it arc back through the city
How do pursuers pursue?

>>168608370
10

I think I heard Farron Keep might be Blighttown, but i cant fucking remember where it was

>>168610458
Yup.

>>168610483
I like Lothric's Holy Sword best.
Not as powerful as a Lothric Knight Sword but it's gorgeous and the beam weapon art is useful on occasion

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>**ly K***ht **drick

>>168610483
Holy Swords pew pew laser weapon art is fun, but its a straight sword which is kind of boring, but its a straight sword so its automatically S tier

Lorians greatsword is as fun as any other UGS, which IMO is pretty fun, but its pretty similar to Sullys greatsword so you might just want to make that instead and have the both the holy sword and the fire UGS.

>>168610483
Take Lorian's Greatsword and use it to kill the Crimson Bat in The Ringed City

>>168610483

Holy Sword is more fun. You can find Lorian's move set on other weapons.

Twin Princes is the most fun though.

>summon Siegward for the Yhorm fight
>gets fucked to death by Yhorm in the time it takes me to run up and grab Storm Ruler


Well fuck.

>>168609842
>then you make a sword out of his soul and kill his dogs and everyone in his church because he's dead
You can make the Dragonslayer Spear in DaS1 despite the fact that Ornstein was never there.

"Smough" dies in DaS1, but you can still find his hammer in DaS3 whether you killed him first or second.

Illusions dropping boss souls is a thing Dark Souls does.

>>168610483
Lorian's is a generic UGS with a built-in buff. Its stomp followup does inherently less damage and thus is never worth stamina, but the free buff makes it really good damage for low stats.

Lothric's is the weakest straightsword in the game but has a neat laser. The laser is a useful quick poke in pvp, but the damage is too low to be worthwhile in pve.

>>168610285
The 70% weight limit was a godsend.
I literally never played dark souls 1 with anything other than maiden/painting guardian set because it's basically impossible to use more than 1 weapon and fastroll unless you stack havel+FaP

>>168610295
To be honest i just got the spell and i wanted to damage test it anyway.

I havent played in a while, do you still get instant aldritch invasions at sl 80?

>>168610667
Good point as I already took Sullys greatsword

>>168610694
Damn, there might even be a easter egg, like when you wore velstads armor in ds2

>>168610752
Both of this statements are lies.

>>168610807
Yes, but they're usually really bad.

>>168610753
>You can make the Dragonslayer Spear in DaS1 despite the fact that Ornstein was never there.

Not in a canon playthrough, just like you can't kill Gwyndolin or learn fancy pyromancy in a canon playthrough.

Sulyvahn is a necessary boss and there's no alternative to die in his place, his death is canonical and he's not coming back unless I go to NG+ to kill him again.

>>168610809
>fighting bat
>reach phase 3
>Lorian's GS lights up and buffs itself on its own, red cracks glowing violently and fire blazing higher than it ever has before
Would be pretty neat.

What are some good spots to do some low-level co-op, and at what levels? I know Abyss Watchers is probably a boss where people tend to summon a lot, but I'm wondering if that's the earliest reliable spot I should go and what levels I need to be for it.

I also need those damn proofs of concord for the miracle and I'm wondering if there's ANY level people actually make use of Way of Blue

>>168610775
I preferred Demon Souls' 50%. Armor feels useless in 2.

>>168610942
>learn fancy pyromancy in a canon playthrough.

Explain.

>>168611023
>yfw it actually completely invalidates the fight like with Yhorm and Stormbringer

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>>168603581
Anri's Straight Sword or Sellsword Twinblades
Bleed is top tier

>tfw krekk0v is doing worse than he used to be

>>168611121
>you can combine the demon prince's soul with Lorian's GS to make a flaming pyro-based curved UGS

>>168611079
>Armor feels useless in 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLQDNwejRcM
it's the only game where elemental defense actually matter.
Can't talk about demon but in 1 and 3 it's completely worthless, at least for what you have to give up.

>>168610942
But O&S illusion boss fight is canon, so making their weapons can be too

>>168610270
>The Profaned Capital wasn't originally underground, or else the fire couldn't have come from the sky
>implying the terminology matters when you're so far underground you can look up and not see the ceiling
I'm pretty sure Profaned Capital still has a skybox, though.

>The attack which destroyed the city didn't come until after Yhorm sacrificed himself
The attack which destroyed the city happened at the same time Yhorm linked the flame. That's why they're mentioned together on his ashes description.

>and the defenseless city was destroyed when the "Oracles" retaliated
Oracles created the Profaned Flame, meaning their actions necessarily precede Yhorm's attempts to stop the Profaned Flame.

>None of this runs contrary to the idea that Sulyvahn discovered the Profaned Flame and used it to destroy the capital
The fact that "Sulyvahn destroying the capital" isn't stated anywhere runs contrary to your fanfic, you nutter.

>his established connection to the Sable Church and their magic
When and where? Nothing he does suggests any such connection, and nor do any item descriptions.

>would strongly suggest how the dark-fueled Profaned Flame remained a threat even after the fire was linked
Or, the fact that the Profaned Flame is stated to be literally undying would explain how it remained a threat for all this time. Occam's Razor, the explanation that depends on the fewest variables is the most likely.

You're kinda bad at logic, I take it.

>>168611036
There are earlier co-op hotspots, but Abyss Watchers is probably gonna be a lot more fun than camping the tree or vordt.

>>168611308
>The fact that "Sulyvahn destroying the capital" isn't stated anywhere
What is valid inductive reasoning?
Next you'll tell me Nameless King isn't the sun of Gwyn because it's not stated anywhere.

>>168610942
>you can't use fancy pyros in a canon playthrough of DaS1
nani???

>>168611085
Quelana pyromancy tome implies that Salaman was Quelana's only pupil.

>>168611305
>But O&S illusion boss fight is canon

Yes it is, and in it you kill Ornstein's illusion first and receive Smough's soul.

>>168611345
At this point I'm really more committed to doing things that are effective rather than fun. I don't want yet another instance of starting a playthrough where I'm going to try getting those covenant miracles and items, only for me to beat Soul of Cinder and then realize that I did nothing of the sort. I need to get this started early

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How much does skull ring change enemy aggression exactly? Would a playthrough using that revive some of the fun you got on your first playthough?

>>168610694

That's also my plan

>>168611604
>not hunting the demon prince with the dedicated demon-hunting weapons of Gwyn's elite demon-hunters

>>168610942
Both Oreos and Smores are a necessary boss fight. By canon, they both die and CU absorbs their souls. By canon, CU could only make one of their weapons if he were going to. By canon, both weapons exist in DaS3 and contradict CU apparently killing the both of them.

Orns and Smo were tangible illusions, and tangible illusions can drop souls. Friede's Scythe, the Crow Quill knives, and Follower's Spear also use tangible illusions to attack.

Illusion magic is OP as fuck in Souls.

How would you combat the WA of Friede's Scythe if you have small weapons with no HA or block frames? You can always just tank the last hit of the first series and interrupt her before the next armor frames start. If you have a Straight Sword, would you just have to wait it out?

>>168611601
It's only useful for co-op, it doesn't change aggro ranges.

How hard is it to kill The Rotten as my first boss if I use a Bonfire Ascetic? I want to do an early Crypt Blacksword run. Is it a bad idea? Should I perhaps just get a Greatsword and switch over to Crypt Blacksword on my NG+ cycle?

>>168611575
Oh, then in that case you could probably just camp Vordts fog wall. I wouldnt even level up past your starting level. Upgrade you weapon to +1, maybe +2, maybe fire infuse it or use the deep battle axe. Should be able to breeze through whatever covenant you want to level.

>>168611704
>If you have a Straight Sword
Stand across the map and kill them with your phantom range

>>168611284
>BLUE Onyx Blade

>>168611392
>What is valid inductive reasoning?
Valid inductive reasoning would suggest that Sulyvahn didn't destroy any capitals with the Profaned Flame because it's literally impossible to extinguish. The rubble would still be on fire decades later, and you wouldn't be able to build anything over it.

>>168611392
Not that guy but honestly just fuck off with your headcanon, youve had 3 guys proving you fucking wrong about how sully was not the one who destroyed the Prophaned Capital

Just fucking admit you are wrong, and get on with it ffs

>>168611656
Who says that Smough was an illusion and that you didn't just kill him 2nd canonically?

>>168611648
>not picking up where lorian left off and burning the demon prince to death with his own flame

>>168611763
It's not too bad. Try to at least have a +3 weapon before you do though, since NG+ rotten gets a bit beefy.

>>168611284
>>168611872
Ah, you said curved UGS

>>168611751
>>168611601
IIRC, enemies will aggro a few feet earlier than they usually do. That's about it, though.

>>168611894
The words "burned down the Profaned Capital" literally come out of an item description.

>>168611656
>Both Oreos and Smores are a necessary boss fight. By canon, they both die and CU absorbs their souls.

Now you're just making stuff up Anon, you have to kill both but you only get one soul and DS3 has made it canon that the soul you get is Smough's.

>Orns and Smo were tangible illusions

Smough's hammer's description implies otherwise.

>>168611763
The first fight is pretty piss-easy if you know the fight and are halfway decent at the game. The ng+ fight though has a bit of a significant spike in difficulty, but its still not too bad. Rottens a pretty predictable boss.

Use a rapier or a mace, I prefer rapier. The only move of his you really have to watch out for is his area of effect dark blast, when you see that animation start up, run the fuck away, it WILL one shot you.

>>168611934
Yeah I was thinking of doing it with a +3 Rapier and a resin. Perhaps I should make way to Ornifex before I get to The Rotten, though.

>>168611510
Or that the CU was her last student

>>168612024
Yeah there's no point in killing the boss before you can make boss weapons

>>168611656
>By canon, CU could only make one of their weapons if he were going to.

By canon, there were multiple Chosen Undead in parrallel universes participating in jolly cooperation with each other, and parts of those timelines collide with each other. Basically, any Chosen Undead could have dropped the weapon while summoned so that "canon" Chosen Undead had both. Even taking the idea of boss soul weapons as canon, it's easy to explain that part away at least.

>>168611813
Many thanks, Anon

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>>168612002
>>168611751
Well, shit. I was hoping it would do something more to spice up my game. I'm having a hard time finding any motivation to play lately.

>>168611648

>kill Lorian
>take his sword
>finish what he couldn't

He deserves being taken down a million notches.

>Demon greataxe has a giant slam as weaponart
>Quakestone has basicly the same weaponart+perseverance
These dlc weapons are so broken compared to the basegame weapons

>>168612012
>canon playthrough
Okay, knock that shit off. Firstly, we don't know if Quelana simply didn't record her interactions with CU. It's possible she just fucked off to see her spider sister as soon as he was gone. Nobody after the fact would have any idea of her life if the only non-firewood person to talk about her was Salaman. He was her most famous student, but he also isn't the one who's burning in a kiln.

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>>168606950
are you retarded?

>>168612306
Quakestone does more damage with its WA, too.

So many base game weapons are just dogshit with dogshit WAs. Why does the ODK Hammer even exist?

>>168612007
Go ahead and find the item description, then. By the way, we already went over the part where Sulyvahn wasn't the one who destroyed the Profaned Capital. Unless you honestly think he was there at the same time Yhorm linked the flame, despite that being at least an entire age ago.

>>168611510
Assuming Salaman was human.

>>168612012
Smough could've left after Ornstein, that still would have made him the last knight

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>>168609889
was it elves?

>>168609830
you dont

sl80 is bare minimum for quality build and then you're fucked on stamina

>>168612254
Make a build to use something early that you haven't tried yet. Killing the Dancer early greatly expands your options, by the way.

>>168612430
>Go ahead and find the item description, then
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/profaned-coal
Here you go, friend. I did the lore research so you wouldn't have to.

>>168612374
I like that one honestly, sadly it's weaponart is lacking in pvp because everyone with a brain will just stay back. Real cool in pve though, glad the lava explosion now triggers on the second hit.

>>168612306

Power creep through DLC is always a thing it seems.

Personally, I'd rather unique effects/moves with similar levels of power, with none actually overtaking the base game.

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>>168610642
>lying
>>168610869
if you immediately bolt for SR, Yhorm will slam the shit out of Siegman

>>168612646
Right, and what does that have to do with Sulyvahn? Nothing, that's what. There is zero evidence in the game that Sulyvahn destroyed the Profaned Capital, or the "Anor Londo suburbs", or anything at all, it's just your headcanon, and your headcanon is stupid and retarded.

>>168612694
>similar levels of power
The problem is that most unique basegame things are dogshit.
Even with the blatant powercreep, things like the Quakestone only barely break into usefulness.

It's not that they;re too good, but that the main game needs to be brought up to that same standard. They obviously won't be, though, because it's clear now that so many options in the base game were designed and balanced to be bad so that the DLC had a low bar set to overshadow.

>>168612029
>Quelana, the sole surviving witch of Izalith, once accepted a human pupil, but after the pupil moved on, she never took another.

Ithink it's a stretch to interpret that as not talking about Salaman since she didn't seem to be in the habit of teaching people in general.

>>168612308
>Firstly, we don't know if Quelana simply didn't record her interactions with CU

That only matters if you assume that the flavor text is derived from things written in the tome.

>>168612487
Smough did leave after Ornstein, right around the time you killed him and walked out of Anor Londo with his soul.

>>168611976
he also said flaming, you blind fuck

Need help, 7 vertebra shackles left for Warmth, i need someone to kill many times for them.

How do I get rid of the extra Stormrullers in my storage?

>>168612928
Discard or sell them

>>168612694
That would be fantastic, make the weapon decisions of the player based off of things like movesets,weaponarts, and range. Of course some weapons should have some AR difference but some weapons as of now are just bad.

>>168612928
Move them to your inventory, open your menu (not the bonfire), highlight, and select "discard".

>>168612854
There's no proof CU killed Smough. Only that he was in Anor Londo for longer than Ornstein.

He could've left the day after and he still would've been the last knight

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>>168612852
>It's not that they're too good, but that the main game needs to be brought up to that same standard.

I agree. Ancient dragon greatshield pretty much isn't worth using now.

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>>168612928
You don't
can't you store them in the bottomless box? good luck after ng+300 though

54.14 is max poise, right?

>>168613097
It was hardly worth using in the first place, IIRC its overall regen speed was the same as any blessed shield.

>>168613097

it's a shame too, I love how it looks since it reminds me of des

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>>168612812
Man you sure got mad as fuck from seeing arguments you don't like.

I've proven my point, so if you don't have anything left to respond with but "h-headcanon!" then I guess we're done here.

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>>168613174
no

>>168613305
Your argument was that Sulyvahn did various shit with the Profaned Flame, and you tried to claim that the game supported your argument.

>y-you're just mad!
Generally speaking, the one desperately flailing and grasping at every little thing they can, only to resort to calling the other person mad when they've run out of straws, is the one who's mad.

>>168613097
It's like they completely forgot the ancient dragon greatshield existed while they were making the etheral oak shield

when is the next pcfc?

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>>168612636
I don't really know what I haven't done yet.

I did just find out lightning stake is pretty neat, but I'm not sure how far that'll carry me.

I've used most weapon classes, done a pyro range build, played a sneaky magical assassin and have kind of ran out of ideas now. Worst thing is, the second dlc is still quite far away. I don't think I can keep on playing until then.

I always tell myself I'll do all bow run at some point, but that doesn't really seem that fun. A tanky melee range caster build could be fun, without using any of the sworceries, but that's kind of what I'm doing right now with the lightning stake.

>>168606957
Rolling, give me something neat.

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>>168613563
>n-no u!
It's just getting sad now, guy.

>>168613305
Kek you are shit, and gotten proven wrong by various people in this thread

>>168613179
The ADS at any upgrade level heals like a +10 blessed shield (6 HP every 3 seconds) but is applied every second (2 HP per second). The EOS has the same regen as the ADS.

>>168613587
why

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>Profaned Capital was this awesome city dude literally Anor Londo tier
>only get to see a tiny postage stamp of ruins immediately before Yohrm
Finish your fucking games Fromsofto.

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>>168606627
Holy shit, so the face is, indeed, based on the ones in 1. Wonder why they made the mouth constantly open. Are giants mouth breathers ?

>>168613713
want to hang out with my friends

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>>168613657
>"you have no evidence to support your claims"
>you're just mad

>>168613084
>There's no proof CU killed Smough.

Except the soul you receive.

>>168612854
>That only matters if you assume that the flavor text is derived from things written in the tome
Why wouldn't you assume this? The narrator isn't omnipotent

>>168613745
It's a compromise between giant gaping holes and a semi normal face.

>>168603990
I want source

>>168613762
They're not your friends

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>>168613798
>provide evidence
>NO EVIDENCE HEADCANON UR MAD I'M NOT GRASPING AT STRAWS YOU ARE

>>168613673
Last I checked, EOS regenerates 2hp every 1 second, not 2hp every 2 seconds. I remember trying to compare it to the blessed kite shield in my inventory and seeing the tick rate go faster.

>>168613897
oh

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Oh boy, finally killed every boss in the game (including dlc) but this guy. Im getting my shit pushed in by his second phase

>>168613897
Don't worry, no charge for them.

How does it feel knowing that the DLC will have a dragon boss
And that this dragon boss will have at least 3 phases
And at least two full healthbars, if not more

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1st playthrough of Dark Souls done.
What a beautiful game.

>>168613976
Roll into him, you fucking coward.

>>168613904
that wasn't my image, what the hell hiroshimoot

Anon, come on now. Let's be serious here.

You said there was evidence that "the Profaned Capital was burned down by Sulyvahn", and gave an item description that says "the Profaned Capital was burned down". That's evidence that the Capital was burned down, but isn't evidence that Sulyvahn had anything to do with it.

Post evidence that Sulyvahn is the one who roasted the Profaned Capital.

>>168613976
Lothric Knight Shield. Hold L1. Roll when he does his grab.

>>168614023
Why would you want an fc then?

>>168614183
What kind of character did you have?

>>168613515
Oh yeah, shit. Thanks
Trying to get high poise without looking retarded is really hard

>>168614183
It's the worst souls game though

What's the best greatshield for pve only run?

I'll switch out of it if I get invaded, I wanna do a stronkth run.

>>168614183
Grad you riked it, anon.

>>168613762
pcfcbf?

>>168614206
I am rolling into him, im just really fucking bad when he delays his attacks cause it throws me off.

>>168614408
Then you're going into the right direction.

Keep at it until you have it down.

>>168614275
They were trying to grab your host. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.

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>>168614183
Now go back to find all the shit you missed. You've also been granted the right to have any question answered, as long as there is an answer

>>168614503
Dad?

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Could someone help me move some stuff from one character to another? PC.