/civ4xg/ - Strategy and 4X Games General

>>168270321
What are some good mods for Civ 5?

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First for outjewing my homeplanet.

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>waiting for utopia to come out

>>168271102
The generic Vox Populi and assorted leader mods.

>>168271156
Post updates if you're still playing it.

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>>168272805
Currently producing a sector command on earth so my emperor has a buddy to help him manage things (although I think I will put the emperor in command of the sector and let someone else take over earth command).

Researching survey equipment and engines so I can build ships to go out and, well, survey.

Also added 500 ton capacity to my shipyard so I can start building miners/transporters "soon".

I still have little to no idea what I am doing.

>>168273879
>requested protection level - 209
>actual protection level - 0
doesn't give a damn about his peeps, kekd.

>>168273879
>Hirohoto desu
Nice meme, keep posting updates this is interesting
All my games won't run on Wine for some goddamn reason so I'm reduced to watching others play.

>>168271975
Utopia isn't doing anything to sectors so the game still won't be good.

>>168274306
Technically true, but only technically. There's a massive overhaul to how sectors work as part of the free update.

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>>168274090
I think I am doing something horribly wrong. I am training all these naval officers, but I aven't even built a lunar landing capable vessel, heck I haven't launched anything into space as of right now. This guy here is probably going to be dead before I build the craft he was trained to man.

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I gave my "not even pixel" man a medal as consolation prize, his team did discover the single largest boost to our mining industry and with that our production capabilities.

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After one too many episodes of his favourite anime Hirohito finally buckled to the insitent whining of mister Nogi and gave him the all clear for his digimon research project.

important news

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>>168270321
>Literally Dead For Hours Edition
is this the end?

>>168277254
>>168277092
Honestly every paradox game is the same game, they just put a different silly outfit on every new iteration.
Ya, they all have their differences and their unique little quirks, but at their cores they are all exactly the same games spawned from a single design philosophy that hasn't changed in about a decade.

>>168277254
Where is this posted?

>>168277503
yes

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>>168277565

I don't know what it is about teching up especially in stellaris but it is ridiculously satisfying. Yes I'll order my space ships in psychic thank you.

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>>168277631
on the hebrew stonecutter's site

>>168276848
So here's me researching engines not understanding why I can't build engines after researching the tech. Apparently after researching the tech for the engine, you then need to decide on what sort of engine to research with the new tech, only then can you actually build your researched engine.

So a slight setback of about 5 years because of me not understanding this, but I now have my first shitty engie on the way along with the shitty survey ship it is going to be put it.

>>168276848
>>168276187
>>168275219

Tell me the truth anon, is this game autistically hard, or more like Dwarf Fortress kind of hard where it's not as insanely hard as everyone makes it look.

>>168278863
>that red text
Is this a certain internet forum that charges an admission fee?

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>>168279094
My first self designed ship class of which I will be producing exactly 1 (one), a prototype if you will, to see if it actually works the way I imagine it to. To reflect the shittyness of the ship it will be named the "Rei".

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>>168280081
>To reflect the shittyness of the ship it will be named the "Rei".

Is this the right general for galactic civ 3? Looking for a download link for latest version if anyone has one
This general should really have an archive of games in a mega 2bh

>>168280376
https://pirateproxy.vip/torrent/13727223/Galactic_Civilizations_III___5_DLC_(GOG)

>>168280376
>This general should really have an archive of games in a mega 2bh
I don't think that makes much sense since unlike /gsg/ it's not just a copy-paste deal

>>168279410
It's DF in spess, so basically it's autistic as fuck but not that hard as long as you can get used to literal excel sheets for a UI

so in stellaris I've always kept away from properly using sectors so I was just wondering. I'm about to terraform several planets and flat out need it, but am I supposed to build the planet up before putting it in a sector or does the game try handling that building up pretty much

>>168280545
Thanks my man
>>168280625
gsgs archive was amazing, patches uploaded hours after the oficial release. Unfortunately it was taken down by shitposters reporting it for not including 'their mod'

>>168280916
More like the archive dude literally removed a mod that was already in there for being part of steamcordplaza

>>168280984
t. reed

>>168281076
Are you implying Liangmod wasn't in the archive?

>>168281103
are you HPM hiding out here avoiding us?

>>168280716
AI does build if you put literally thousands of energy and minerals in it's sector stuff. But for me it seems to wait until I give it 1000 energy and 3000+ minerals before deciding to build a single building.

>>168281321
No, fuck HPM and his autism.
And wait when the fuck did HPM become pro-Liangmod?

>>168279410
It isn't really hard in the sense of starcraft grandmaster hard, or 6k dota2 hard.

I think first and formost the whole "it's a hard game" attitude towards aurora4x and DF comes from the GUI, or rather the lack thereof. It is A LOT of information with A LOT of possibilities and everything is managed through excel spreadsheets.

I have only just started today and the hardest part is really the bit where there are no guidelines, no rules no nothing. There is no template of "what to do".

If you go play HoI3 as a complete new guy you can sort of muddle your way through it by going through each of the tabs and setting activities for everything untill all your points are all gone. You set researches you like the look of untill you run out of points, then you set productions until you run out of points, you allocate leaders until you run out places that need allocating and then you order around military units until there are none left to order.

In aurora however there isn't even that, it is like being handed a legoset without the little manual building plan leaflet that should be with it. Most other games feel kind of "checklisty", this game doesn't.

I guess it isn't so much difficult as it is overwhelming in its freedom, something which is sadly close to non existent in gaming. Even sandbox games only let you play with shit the devs thought of, this games lets you design your own shit and how to play with it. As far as I can tell (do bear in mind I am new to this) I can build a whacky superbattleship with hundreds of guns lasers and sensors that goes crazy fast has fighters on board and enough crew to colonize a planet, as long as I can find and harvest the resources for it.

>>168281363
so maybe worth taking the hit and waiting until I've got some stuff built I guess

>>168281530
>6k in dota
So spend 3000 hours of your life on it?

>>168281642
Yeah, get it built up first.

>>168281642
I tend to wait until I have 5 pop on the planet, built a planetary hq building, a happiness building, colonial clinic for food, energy and mineral building and at least 1 research building. After that I let it go.

I speed up the initial pop growth by building 3 robots, one for the government, one for food, and one for happiness building.

>>168280081
Are you playing from Conventional?

>>168281753
Are we pretending the 4chan gaming community doesn't spend thousands of hours in front of a screen, instead opting to do more "worthwhile" stuff? Because if that is what we are going to pretend, I am going to need to order myself some extra suspension of disbelief.

>>168282376
Yes, I wanted to start from scratch.

>>168283002
Do an AAR pls

>>168283056
Well I am sort of doing a DAR, a "during action report". I don't even know how long a game of this usually takes.

>>168281530
That ship design is literally one of the most awful things I've heard of for aurora. I've been playing it again for the past three days. Specialization is king.
This is a command cruiser with 12 launchers, it's jump engines can take 6 extras. http://pastebin.com/tYRBb3x5
It's to be escorted by 4 of these
http://pastebin.com/QseKFFVJ
and probably some colliers, tanker or two, some missile boats. Unfortunately I couldn't be bothered to get the cruiser's speed up to 4000km/s like the escorts.

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Hey, I just remembered Civ 6 after not playing it since a week after launch. How is it now? Is the AI any better?

>>168283786
First off I don't care if my ship is the single most atrocious thing to ever have been designed in the history of mankind. Secondly what you are telling me might as well have been written in Chinese. Thirdly my ship contains the best of what I can currently build. Even if I could make sense of your post I doubt very much I could build it. Lastly it sounds like you are suggesting a warship with escorts. I haven't even sent something into space, why would I want military in my space?

>>168283456
Ok wow, you really don't need 10 engines on a survey vessel. 2 will be just fine. Also if its a survey vessel then it doesn't need to moonlight as a Freighter as well.
As for >>168283456 that answer depends upon what you enabled at game start. If you enabled the minimum 1 NPR and the Invaders/Star Swarm, you might not have all that long to get up and running.

>>168284695
No.

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Meanwhile Freecities has had this for as long as there's been other entities to interact with.

>>168285574
Well shit

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Stellaris

>One of the first times playing a game for a long time
>get immersed, playing as fanatic materialist militarists that fought back from the brink of extinction
>start steadily increasing research, start eclipsing neighbors
>never actually declare war
>finally get energy credit situation sorted out from eternal depression
>bully the neighborhood bully into liberating some of his planets
>holy shit, everyone loves me now
>Protectorate status? Sure, extremely friendly race on my border!
>do this several more times
>finally get to end gameshit, eyeballing amazing gaia world that the fanatical fallen empire says is a holy planet
>start building up the area, up to 12 core sector planets with no sectors
>massive fleet bases, resupply areas, jump drive+max weapons (kinetic), shields all ready in the area
>finally decide to jump for it, settle
>fallen empire immediately flips shit, but I have 6 18k strength battlegroups in the area waiting for something to spark off (ironically name the colony spark too)
>battlecruisers and craziness start to warp in...right into a minefield snare I set up
>massed armada pounces, but for some reason one fleet doesn't rally with all the others, gets absolutely shredded (18k vs 64k) before I can even engage with the main fleet
>heart poundan, main fleet gets there and rips some battlecruiser ass, makes them retreat but not without basically the loss of 70% of the fleet
>still worth it, until .000001 seconds after the battle I get a break up text from the bird next door
>apparently everyone else was invited too
>only one protectorate stayed loyal, godspeed you froggy bros
>I forgot to remember that protectorates get an amazing research bonus, so they have jump drive, inferior weapons and such but still very close
>my wounded and leaking fleet is no match, gigantic paintrain coalition fleet conga lines into the heart of my territory


I learned my lesson today. Never, ever protectorate jack shit more than 1 or 2 smaller empires.

>>168284732
Not going to lie, your survey vessel is very unfocused. And as for >>168281530 if this is you too, yes Aurora 4x is so wide the fuck open you can approach combat from a dozen different ways (btw this is DESU the real meat of Aurora is how autistic you can make your combat and still win).

Now if you want a tiny bit of advice about how to make your ship less unfocused, this makes it both cost less and makes it easier to build on your fledgling Empire, you need to specialized each of your ships to do a certain job. I.e. the ship you built here >>168280081 seems to be a mix of a freighter and a survey vessel. It will do neither of these jobs well. Survey vessels are scouts, they are supposed to be fast and nimble and scout out enemy (both confirmed and potential) systems and/or scout your systems for minerals to build your empire with. Meanwhile freighters/cargo haulers are large, slow and haul EVERYTHING from automines to planetary installations. They require massive berths, dedicated cargo handling systems onboard the vessel as well as spaceports in orbit to facilitate faster transfer of cargo to /from the destinations.
Here is a good target for you first ship, a geosurvey vessel:
1-2x of whatever engine tech you have
1x of the best geosurvey kit you currently have
1x thermal sensor so its not totally blind and can tell you what winds up killing it
1x large fuel storage
and then the stuff the game adds automatically.

This vessel will tell you about the mineral composition of Sol at game start and allow you make decisions from there on how to proceed.

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No dying allowed
Wake up

>>168284695
I'm on game 2 after picking it up this weekend. Seems one-more-turn-y enough for me. I feel confident enough with the game mechanics to try King next game.

I'm really liking the changes they made.

>>168290860
>I'm on game 2 after picking it up this weekend
Wait until game 4-5 to make a judgement
I thought it was good with a few flaws until my third game too.

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4x spoore W H E N

>>168281530
The problem I have with Aurora (and Dwarf Fortress) is that there is simply too much going on, and there is no way to delegate or ignore the things you aren't interested in.
For instance: I don't give the tiniest shit about designing components or making sure all my ships have adequate rations of anal lube for thier missions - all I want is stuff that works.
Maybe at some point I would have got into this, but it is "too much" at the moment. And there is no way to turn it off or automate it until I have enough of a grasp on things to feel like I can tackle it.

Coupled with an opaque as fuck UI that tells you nothing unless you specifically ask for it - and if you don't know to ask for something, or that it even exists that becomes a problem.

Also the requirement to read an entire wiki just in order to grasp the basics is a massive turn off.
If a game can't be bothered to at least give you enough direction to get you started, then why should I bother playing it?
I want to play a game and enjoy it, not spend hours reading endless text.

I've tried both these games on the basis that I should love them - I love building stuff and exploring.
But I don't.
I am just unable to find any enjoyment in either of them because I just don't like micromanagement all that much. Especially not if I'm being forced to do it.

Lots of people like Aurora, and that's cool.
But this is why I don't.
I will say that Aurora is pretty okay for getting me into Stellardrone at least.

tl;dr - I am apparently not autistic enough to like this.

>>168292915
Aurora4x and DF as I recall both date from a time when manuals came with gamediscs and you really should be reading the manual before you play a game.
Both of them are also basically one-man jobs, and Aurora in particular is one guy's personal game he decided to release for others.

>>168293882
DF is from the 90's yeah. But i thought Steve didn't really start working on Aurora until the mid 00's?

>>168293882
>>168294017
DF is from 2006.

>>168294104
Civ IV came with a manual, no?

>>168292915
Honestly >>168293882 has it right. The fact that these are both one/two man jobs that have been in development for quite a LONG fucking time (hell DF cant even use multi threading, which would dramatically improve performance on almost every level). By now changing stuff like having in game tutorials would take a LOT of time that these guys do not really have. And they are doing this as passion projects (hell Steve will NOT let anyone else touch Aurora, even to make it modable) which is why they are free, but at the same time you have to accept that they are in full control of the design, doesn't really help that Toady is a math autist and Steve is hyper paranoid about anyone even looking at his baby wrong. But that just how it works.

>>168294302
You really cannot blame these guys for being autistic because if they weren't they'd have dropped it long ago.

When the fuck is Monks & Mystics coming out?

>>168294302
>Steve will NOT let anyone else touch Aurora, even to make it modable
Technically speaking anyone can touch Aurora, Steve's permission be damned, because he didn't obfuscate the code after compiling so you can open it up in a hex editor and if you know Assembly you can basically rewrite the entire thing in C.

>>168294395
Im not. It is a good thing because we get games that are FAR more in-depth than shit like what Civ devolved into due to corporate horseshit. Even if i dont understand why in the fuck my Gauss turrets don't fucking at the enemy missiles even though i linked the fire control properly and got a pretty good range to see the shits, its WAY fucking better than Stellaris where all you get to do is shit and watch the fleet devolve into blobs of indistinguishable garbage, actually has a point to not just deathball at the enemy due to chain explosions being a thing, and a LOT of other stuff. I have a lot of fun at least trying to figure it out. I mastered Stellaris in 6 hours after buying it. Im 30 hours into Aurora on my second attempt after getting a better rig than my old laptop and i still don't fully get combat, or how to fucking tanker Gas Giants for their delicious fuel.

>>168294745
>chain explosions

This would solve every doomstack shit that plagues many games, from rts (starcraft unit spam ball), 4X (Civ) and gsg.

Why isn't that a thing?

>>168292915
Yeah, I agree. Aurora is autistically obsessive about all the things I really don't care about. And the stuff I do want, which is mostly culture and society related, is lackluster. It's a good game if you want what it does, but it's niche for a reason.

>>168292915
Is it really possible to do everything in Aurora? Appart from>>168294989 this, sadly.

Can I make huge ships that deploy big ships which deploy small ships?
Can I destroy fucking galaxies like in Star Ruler?

>>168295097
>Can I make huge ships that deploy big ships which deploy small ships?
Yes
>Can I destroy fucking galaxies like in Star Ruler?
I think planets are indestructible, although you can terraform them to be utterly lifeless hunks of rock.

>>168292915
>>168294302
The best I can suggest is for someone to write up a PDF manual, or even a plaintext one that someone else compiles into a PDF. Steve is not going to have time for it.
Also
>even to make it moddable
This is pretty much my only complaint about Aurora, if he made it moddable then >>168294989 would probably have like ten different culture and society overhauls.

>>168295262
Finally. I'm going to play the shit out of that game. As every complex game I've played, I'll read the wiki for a week and then play the game. Hope the game can run on a toaster.

>>168295268
What i really want is a way to set up the Warships internal fire control systems in the fucking Ship creation screen as opposed to having to do it for every single ship individually for each weapon to each fire control. I mean can i just have a screen that auto links Gauss Turrets A,B, and C to Beam FC A, and maybe then if Beam FC A get blown up Emergency auto link it Beam FC B, please? I can never figure out what it is im doing wrong even after i get 20 ships blown to pieces by Precursors or Swarms.

>>168295623
The civilians shipping will kill you toaster. Trust me i tried. After the second civilian shipping line got to 15 vessels my turns slowed to a crawl.

>>168295268
As much as that would be "nice", I don't think it would help all that much.
Because it wouldn't (and couldn't) change the fact that I am required to do things I don't care about in order to play.
So long as "micromanage everything or GTFO" is a core feature of the game I don't think I will ever be interested in it. (So likely, never.)

I get that it's a one-man-band gig.
I don't get why folk get so upset that some people don't like vast arrays of mandatory numbers as much as they do.

>>168297919
Because it's the entire appeal of the game.

>>168297919
Because honestly the game isn't about cultures and colonization, economy and resources. All of that stuff is just tacked on to give both context and justification. Aurora 4x, in all reality, is all about being a fleet commander and managing you fleet/fleets well in battle. Its why ships are so heavily detailed and you do MOST of the stuff in Aurora 4x with them.
If Aurora was about actually running and managing an Empire then you would not have civilian shipping companies to move your colonists and goods about for you, or at least you would not have ones that decide who, what, and when to build shit and move shit about by themselves. Terraforming, while LIGHT-YEARS ahead of Stellaris's spend 3000 Lightning Bolts and wait 6 years to get perfect world, is still pretty straight forward.
1. Find planet with acceptable gravity.
2. Modify atmosphere to remove toxic gasses and add O2 and heat/cool to desired temperature.
3. Let civilian shipping ferry colonists to your new world.
If Aurora was about managing an economy they the Wealth tab would actually see more use than funding civilian shipping lines to ferry shit around for you.
Honestly the empires in Aurora 4x function more like Prussia (an army/navy with a supporting state attached to it) rather than "real" countries.

>>168299379
If you read the meta"backstory" Aurora4x was designed more or less as an autosystem for fleet command. If Steve lost his autism and opened it up so people could actually mod it to [have] culture, colonization, economy, and resources, it'd be godly.

>>168299650
>an autosystem for fleet command
Considering that the fleet commands/fighting parts of the game are the parts that i cannot wrap my head around AT ALL, even after several battles where i either
A) I literally could not progress the game due to constant i cannot engage errors and they could not engage me errors.
B) Get shit all over by enemy missile due to reasons i cannot fathom.
makes me question this.

Just got Civ6, how do I into Japan and be honorable samurai?

>>168299801
It's an autosystem for fleet command in that the entire point was to create a system where he could vent his autism over commanding star fleets and creating ways to star commander.

>>168299906
>Civ VI
Get V or IV instead.
If you insist they have district spamming bonuses so they play relatively tall compared to everyone else.
Hammers are king in Civ VI.

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HAK HAK HAK

>>168273998
Actually its a glitch/bug.
Capital planets dont give a crap about PPV/never suffer morale penalties from lack of it, but still display it.

>>168300687
naff off cunt b4 i hook ya in th gabber

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But no seriously, since there are anons here discussing Aurora 4x can someone please tell me how to provide power to these Gauss turrets on this ship? Ive already added in Power Plants and the power 0-0 numbers didn't change.

>>168301127
Gauss dont need reactors.
Other beam weapons do.

>>168301239
Then why is the power off? Will the guns even shoot?

>>168301127
>>168301239
>>168301295

Look at the left column.
In the power systems you have power requirment and power provided by reactors.

>>168301295
>Then why is the power off? Will the guns even shoot?
Gauss shoots fine without reactors.
For that p[urpose its a great gun for fighters and especially fighter bombers.

>>168301362
Will they work as AMM weapons as well? That kind of was the intent.

>>168301475
Yes.
Hook them up to Beam fire control and set to Point Blank defence ( NOT Area Defence ).

>>168301528
Thanks a bunch man. I was baffled by a beam weapon not need power apparently.

>>168301528
>Hook them up to Beam fire control and set to Point Blank defence ( NOT Area Defence ).
Wait what?

>>168301619
Gauss is the only one that does not need it.
Railgun needs reactors even tho its counted under kinetic weapons.

>>168301660
On fire control screen assign them to that fire control and in point defence mode window select Point Blank defence because area defence wont work.

>>168301528
Another question am i supposed to set the AMM boat to point defense or area defense?

>>168301998
Beam weapons work best ( if at all ) when set to final defensive fire ( not point blank my bad )

Actual Anti Missile Missiles can be set to fire in ratio from 1 vs 1 to 5 vs 1 enemy missile.

>>168300687
How am I expected to take them seriously as a credible enemy when I keep expecting them to spout bad puns?

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>>168295623
Just to reiterate, the civilians will fucking kill your toaster if you attempt to run for a while. Don't believe me?
>Pic related.
I'm thankful ALL of them haven't done that yet. But its only a matter of time before they do. I kinda wish that Steve would implement a limit on this kind of bullshit but whatever.

>>168303512
[horrified screaming]

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>>168303512
>I'm thankful ALL of them haven't done that yet. But its only a matter of time before they do. I kinda wish that Steve would implement a limit on this kind of bullshit but whatever.

IIRC 7.2 version will have option to scrap civilian lines.

>tfw i cant wait for C# Aurora

>>168303630
The best part is my 30 day turns ONLY take 30 seconds still. I love my rig.

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>>168303703

>>168303762
Damn ive been spooked. And no im keeping a check on my internal temps dont worry.
>>168303651
I dont want them cut, i just want them to stop producing new ship after like 30 or so. 6 MILLION tons is actually ok as long as its not spread over like 100000000 ships.

>>168303703
in C# its going to take 3 secs

>>168304018
I can only hope. When has he said he would be done with it? Last i heard it was supposed to be like 2014.

>>168304502
i guess it was something like "atleast 6 months" before xmas, and "still several months" week ago

>>168304502
He said "soon".

>>168304671
>>168304502
Oh come on give the guy a break, he is a single guy with another job.

It will come out eventually.

>>168304721
I'm a lot angrier at M&T faggots
>we'll have it ready by christmas xDDDD

>>168304748
>M&T
What is that ?

>>168304784
Meiou and Taxes. EU4 mod, the 2.0 version has been Soon for about a year at this point

>>168303651
Isn't that what Bannerlord is being done in?

>>168304826
EU4 is garbage anyway. So it really doesn't matter.

>>168304973
Still better than Stellaris.

>>168304748
Is Ancient Empires out yet?

>>168304973
That's what M&T is for. Also >>168305167.

>>168305205
No, apparently September.
Kill me.

>>168305167
>>168305206
Honestly i just cannot get into EU4 or hell any PDX game except maybe Vicky2 like i could CK2. And they've changed so much shit in that that i can't play it anymore.

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is this accurate

>>168305276
Honestly I cannot get into CK2. There's just too much randomness to it, I prefer EU4's straighforwardness.

With CK2, you have 15% chance to improve your relation by 20.
With EU4, you constantly improve your relation, tick per tick.

>>168305323
YES! LITERALLY YES! Holy shit that is fucking PERFECT!

>>168305384
calm down

>>168305323
>Aurora is no fun
>Stellaris is childish fun
Accurate.

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>>168305323
Pretty much.

That "military looking UI and graphics" of Aurora is the part that drove me very close to this game.

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>>168305323
Basically yes.

>>168305227
That guy wasnt part of the dev team. The current estimate is never ever

>>168305436
No seriously that actually captures Aurora 4x combat perfectly. It is literally Sub warfare in space. The comparison to Stellaris is coincidental.

>>168305372
Honestly the tales that CK2 have told me over the years have made everything worth it. EU4 is just way too dry for me.

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>>168305538
So this is the power of faggotry.

>>168305567
CK2 and EU4 can both be modded to be semi-fixed. EU4's main problem remaining, and completely intractable problem, is that the fucking trade system is static and single-direction.

>>168305567
I understand and respect your opinion. Tales are also what brought me in CK2 (that, and the variety of troops between light infantry, heavy infantry, pikemen, archers, and all the rest), but gameplay turned me off.

>>168305645
I won't disagree with you there. But i remember this one game i was playing. I was playing as the Norwegian Yngling (or however you spell it) in the 769 start. I played around in Scania for about 90 years or so, reforming Norse and founding Norway and even killing off the Af Munso because they converted Catholic. I think it was 887 that i started looking at the wider map. I noticed that Spain wasn't Muslim for once, the Umads had shattered into pieces due to decadence or whatever. But the best part was a Buddhist Portugal. Portugese native dynasty, Buddhist religion. They had taken about 1/5 of the peninsula. Turns out that a steppe horde had been forced to migrate into the region and had war dec'd the Emir of Portucale and managed to reestablish his dynasty there and conquered a fair few of the independent emirs in the area. Ofc i had tanked Catholic MA so the Buddhist horde leader managed to convert the are quite nicely, before a popular upraising overthrew him. Shit was fucking hilarious.

>>168305384
>YES! LITERALLY YES! Holy shit that is fucking PERFECT!
>>>/v/eddit/

>>168306047
>>168305645
Only thing that keeps me from playing CK2 is that shit battle mechanics that basically boil down to "bring more manpower and you will win in 99 % of cases".

>>168306047
And I remember that game I played where after several blunders with Ireland, I decided to try Scotland after reading in a guide that Scottish lords were extremely loyal.
In less than two years, I faced a civil war while the English were invading me, and the Irish petty king was fabricating claim on my lands while I have been emprisoned by my wife's lover who was also my marshall.
Fuck that game.

>>168306142
That too, yeah. I remember putting all my money in heavy infantry before someone explained that having 50 light infantry was better than having 30 heavy infantry.

>>168306223
That sounds amazing.

>>168306375
All of that because the fuckwit in charge of diplomacy fucked up a roll and accidentally insulted my most powerful vassal.
Once the AI see you're weak, they all pile on you.

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>>168286713
your own fault for not keeping them loyal

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>>168307118
Whew

>>168308804
t. butterlord

>>168308804
>lady of the sword
what did he mean by this?

>>168309787
>>168309898
Hmmm? Wrong thread?

>>168310141
Yeah he posted it in /mbg/ afterwards

>>168307249
Nah its his fault for not just purging xeno scum.

>>168305372
They're two completely different games.
EU is a grand strat game. CK2 is a medieval incest simulator. You play EU for map painting, you play CK2 for the stories.

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>>168310980
All my stories in CK2 look like Games of Thrones.

I prefer the map painting. I like painting.
I actually don't. I hate painting. I always feel like they're staring at me and trying to drag me in.

>>168310980
>you play DF, Aurora or Rimworld for the stories
Fixed that for you.

>>168311438
>you play Aurora for the story
Hell no. You play Stellaris for the story. You play Aurora for the insane level of detail.

>>168311579
>You play Aurora for the insane level of detail.
Actually i do both.
What other space 4x lets me observe entire military career of every officer, award them medals and promote and demote them ?
Ditto for governors, ground unit leaders and scientists.
Plus all those traits that are purely for RP purpose.

>playing Stellaris for story

Hell no, those same events everytime i play would drive me nuts.

>>168307118
>>168307313

Well, that doesnt look like a mod. Whats happening?

>>168311579
>You play Stellaris for the story
I died laughing.

>>168311579
>You play Stellaris for the story.

maybe the very first run through, sure.

>>168311931
Utopia.

>>168312201
>he played Stellaris more than once
rains delta

Anyone here play distant worlds?

Would I be horribly wrong in saying that it is Stellaris x Aurora?

Seems to be more complex in construction and tech than Stellaris while being more in depth with societies, diplomacy and culture management than Aurora.

>>168313549
>Anyone here play distant worlds?
Yeah. Well, I try anyway.

> Would I be horribly wrong in saying that it is Stellaris x Aurora?
Kinda.

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BREAKING NEWS

>>168313982
Oh. I'll finally be able to create freeports like in Star Wars?

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>>168313982
Finally, I can have my Neps and not have to invade Earth and subjugate Mankind

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>>168314553
Wrong thread, buddy.
Also,
>neps
>subjugating mankind
Not a chance, m8. Except maybe for breeding purpose to balance how few males they have in Gamindustri.

>>168314841
Hey, it's the United Nations of Earth's fault for spawning next to me on a spiral galaxy and using missiles.

The end result was an alliance between humans and neps that set the rest of the galaxy in flames

So, how's that Thea 2 coming along?

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>>168315305
If it's an alliance, it's okay.
Humans don't deserve to be subjugated, only ayys deserve this.
And to become second-rate citizens once their feeble rebellion has failed.

>>168315624
Subjugation is usually temporary, if a race is useful or are human they mostly have to deal with the typical dose of oppression and propaganda before I let them spread out across the stars and have a place in the government.

If they're useless, well, slavery and purging exist for a reason.

>>168315939
You should liberate them instead!
Neps and humans, hands in hands, taking over the galaxy together!

Is Utopia the experience I've been waiting for?

>>168316375
Not yet, but we're slowly getting close.

>>168316375
Do you like sentient murder dildos?

>>168316375
>No trade.
>No fixing of Deathball tactics
>Sectors are still fucking shit
>Combat is still garbage

Sorry but no.

>>168316375
>Utopia
Until they add combat that is more than "blob A moves into blob B" no. Everytime combat happens in this game it feels like a four year old smashing together two dolls/action men; a fucking uncontrolled mess.

I swear paradrones are the absolute worst thing to happen to /vg/, they infest every general with their carbon copy games. The only thing stellaris does nicely is its graphics, the rest of the game is Victoria2 with spess backgrounds.

Literally any and all other space 4x games are superior, Endless, DW, Aurora, X3 right down to sins of a fucking solar empire which isn't even 4x.

>>168318440
>The only thing stellaris does nicely is its graphics, the rest of the game is Victoria2 with spess backgrounds.

I fucking wish it was that complex. It might actually be halfway decent then.

>>168318440
>Victoria2
You fucking wish kek

>>168318440
>they infest every general with their carbon copy games
Tell me about the /gsg/ invasion of Overwatch General.

>>168318440
>they infest every general with their carbon copy games
I have yet to see a Neptunia 4x. I'd like to.

>>168318440
Stelalris is just mindless fun. Click, click, click.
Very simple game. Still kind of fun. Its more to a telling story to yourself.
But mechanics are terrible.
>>168316375
It will be improvement but still far from good.
Also I really hope they make diplo more complex and sensible and make AI not ignore Frontier Outposts. At worse it should be easy to make them a one tile habitats with separate buildings so AI will not ignore it anymore.

>>168318440
>they infest every general with their carbon copy games
Yet the Dark Souls General went untouched. What a shame, I'd like to have an army of Black Knights supported by hollows archers fighting demons.

What are the best mods for stellaris?

>You can actually destroy a colony if you bombard it enough
Haha time for genocide

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Finally fucking managed to get a ship into space.

>>168317858
Two of those things will definitely be fixed eventually.

Tactics and combat aren't ever going to be good though.

>>168322019
Well, Paradox isn't know for great combat anyway.
Well, all 4X have shitty combat anyway.

>>168322206
Polaris Sector combat was fun

>>168321859
>default fleet name

Stop triggering my autism

>>168322325
Okay, all 4X except one have shitty combat.

>>168322019
>Two of those things will definitely be fixed eventually.
You don't know how Paradox operates do you

>>168323203
Yep. Trade DLC and sector DLC are coming within three years.

>>168302213
What pun?
Didn't they talk latin-like something?

>>168323298
That's an HAKute remark.

>>168322206
Well there is shitty combat and there is Paradox combat.
Paradox have the worse combat I ever see in 4x games. In Stellaris is even worse as there is no attrition so doom stacks rule.

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BTW Anyone can recommended where and what Aurora pack I should download?
I see that there is some mods pack on site.

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>>168292915
Distant Worlds is a happy medium

>>168322386
It isn't default, I named it that.

>>168322487
Distant world and Aurora have excellent combat.

>>168323824
>ugly
>shitty economic, just mine resources and dump them on planet, no refining or making goods or other things
>terrible font
>little population control
>terrible ship designer
>also ugly
>races suck and look like shit
But you can mod Starsector ships into it so its not that terrible.

>>168323732
Get basic Portable Launcher.

There is little more to get except maybe some flagpacks and racepacks here and there.

>>168323824
What bothers me with Distant Worlds is that nothing is explained.
I let the AI handle ship designs, so I assumed I wouldn't have to bother with it. Turns out the AI only upgrade components, and doesn't add new ones, therefore all your freighters, passengers ships and civilian crap don't get hyperdrive.

Hope you enjoy waiting 200 years for a passenger ship to reach a colony because you didn't know that.
>"grandpa, how do I turn the light off?"
>"you can't, it's the sun"
>"the what?"

And resort stations, jesus. I am so salty I could give DSP lessons on how to be salty.

>>168323983
OKAY, ALL 4X except these three HAVE SHIT COMBAT

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>>168324019
Take all that back!

>>168324150
While a chore at first and while the researchers are getting new components at a fast pace, the ship design is pretty simple. Add thrusters until you don't gain speed, then add fuel until you don't need any more sectors of distance

>>168323569
>Paradox have the worse combat I ever see in 4x games
CK2 and the EU series actually has generally good combat and handles the problem of a doomstack well even though it's simplistic.
Vicky is okay.
HoI has good combat.

>>168324283
>CK 2
>good combat
Do not joke like that. Its shit. Battles are just bigger numbers win and sieges are even worse.
CK 2 still can be fun for all other debauchery but combat is the worst part.

>>168324231
>Add thrusters until you don't gain speed, then add fuel until you don't need any more sectors of distance
I can't decide if it's brilliant or retarded.

>>168324283
>CK2
>good combat
Not at all. You may think the combat is good because you have many different units with various bonuses on the battlefield, but sadly, it always boils down to who has the bigger stack. Even with retinue who are supposely stronger than you'd think, if they're outnumbered, you're fucked.

>>168324517
>Battles are just bigger numbers win
No? If you have fucking overwhelming numbers then of course bigger numbers win but there's a reason there's a meta around retinues, scottish shiltrons obliterate everything and horse archers can kill half an army in skirmish phrase. It's not interactive combat once you're actually in combat besides retreat but it's not bad.

>sieges are even worse
Maybe because sieges are just sitting there waiting? It's not combat.

>>168324660
>You may think the combat is good because you have many different units with various bonuses on the battlefield,
Which actually affect the battle results. Try putting LI against an Archer and Pikemen combination of the same size and see what happens or assign a 5 MIL vs. 25 MIL and pay attention to the tactics being used. See what happens if you concentrate more force on the flanks or vice versa.

>if they're outnumbered, you're fucked.
Which makes sense, why should 3000 men be able to defeat 6000 men in the open field? 4000 men can put up a good fight against 5000. 4000 might even work against 6000 if you have a good commander and composition, and depending on actual composition might even hold off 7500 on the right terrain.

>>168324885
>why should 3000 men be able to defeat 6000 men in the open field
I was more talking of 2,000 men attacking a 1,500 men retinue while crossing a river and winning.

That happened to me once. I am still mad.

>>168325028
>That happened to me once
Retinues aren't magically better after I believe the RoI patch, where they were nerfed to being just pure stacks. What was the commander levels and the composition of the enemy army? Commander traits? Flank strengths?

>>168325212
No commander, no flanks, middle army only, fox only, no item, final destination.

>>168325385
That's basically how you have to test compositions.

>no spaceships
How can anyone play a game that doesn't take place in space?

>>168327251
I think every game takes place in space anon.

>First time I find the Sol system while playing Stellaris
>It is owned by a fallen empire
>Get ready to btfo of humanity and enslave them
>It is not humans
>It is martian birds
>Terra has been blown the fuck up by martian birds
I just want to enslave humans, is that too much to ask?

>>168328575
Be happy.

You get to make space KFC.

RING WORLDS ARE A MEME

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good news
finally got around to installing CIV complete on wine, with q4wine for easiness on linux
works flawlessly, even shortcuts for direct mod access

>>168329882
Good. You'll be able to help someone else.

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>>168327776
nice

>>168330379
Why do her face suddenly turns yellow?

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So I dig into files and change how diplo penalty for purging pops work.
Mostly the same but with twist.
So purging alien pops will add small penalty for collectivist or xenophobes, zero for collective xenophobes and for fanatical collectivist and add small bonus (capped very low) for fanatical xenophobes.
Its still make xenophiles furious and individualist too but rather less.
Other take notice but not so much as before.
Also it fade twice as fast.
BUT.
Purging the same pops as alien empire main pops will really piss off xenophobes and collectivist too(but less). Other will be pissed also at the same rate as before.
It fade on the same speed and its capped at twice number.
So if someone purge he will easily piss of xenophiles and individualist but collectivist and xenophobes will stay cool.
But if you purge xenophobes or collectivist pops they will be furious really fast and will never forget.

Any thoughts?

>>168331814
I don't know.

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2nd Civ 6 game, 2nd victory. First was Religious Victory as Arabia, now it's Cultural as India.

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>>168334178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81iip6psks

How to deal with so many AIs in Civ5?
I'm playing with 11 AIs and it's a fucking hell in turn 150+ when I discover them all.
Plus, they all keep doing their 'gibsmedat for 30 gold' shit almost every turn.

>>168334989
You can always kill them all.

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NEVAH FORGET

>>168335207
kharak was already a shithole, it might even be better now that it's a molten mess :^)

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>>168298806
Hence why the game doesn't appeal to me.

>>168313549
Yes.
DW doesn't have nearly the amount of complexity that Aurora has (thank fuck), AND it lets you delegate anything you don't care about to the AI.
So you can "take command" of a single ship and automate everything else if you feel so inclined.

DW does however have some weird as fuck quirks that will likely never be addressed since the devs are not working on it any more.

>>168323824
>>168324231
I concur.
I just wish it had terraforming. And migration controls.

>>168324019
>ugly
Only if you're a spoilt child who simply cannot do without shiny Micheal Bay bullshit for 10 minutes.
>shitty economic, just mine resources and dump them on planet, no refining or making goods or other things
You can make goods if you look inside the janky txt files and change things.
But otherwise simple, yet functional and intuitive.
>terrible font
More likely you have a terrible monitor/eyes. No problem here.
>little population control
Yes. Annoying.
>terrible ship designer
Get the fuck out.
>also ugly
Seriously. Go.
>races suck and look like shit
lol no. Spess T-Rex is THE BEST.
>But you can mod Starsector ships into it
Pic related.

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fuck.... spawn squeezed down between Dutch and Brit...
now trying to fuck off with the Brit still early game so I can have some breathing room

>>168338506
I want to play Distant Worlds.
But then I remember I lose track of time when I play it.

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>>168336273
SHUT UP

>>168339130
I have chronic re-startitis, because I love the comfy pre-warp starts when you're stuck in the boonies somewhere struggling to get a ship anywhere else and trying to see what's "in the neighbourhood".

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Has anyone ever played simearth?

How do I get my atmosphere to be not shit. My planet always turns in an iceball after a few billion years although a haven't even touched anything. Shouldn't life evolve similar to earth if you don't change any of the simulation models?

>>168339593
>I have chronic re-startitis
Are you me? I never finished a single strategy game, be it a Total War, a 4X, a grand strategy, or just a RTS.

Except Supreme Commander 2, but that game is so broken...

>>168339649
What the fuck.

>>168339593
>I have chronic re-startitis
>>168339931
That makes us three.

Jesus the amount of my scrapped DW, Aurora, Rimworld, DF or Stellaris playtroughs is probably somewhere in thousands..

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>>168339931
I was planning on uplifting a certain species and have them destroy themselves in a nuclear war but I can't get the atmosphere to stabilize. This game was a sequel to the first simcity and is based arround the gaia hypothesis.

>>168339649
I remember playing this a long long time ago, and being completely useless at it.
>7.8 bar
Soupy air.

>>168339931
>>168340156
>Are you me?
Yes. Right down to the never finishing anything.
I get to a point where I've achieved some arbitrarily satisfying thing, then just kind of lose interest.

>>168340425
And I thought Aurora was autistic. This is... Spooky as fuck. Let me fight skeletons with my damn bare hands rather than witness this.

>>168340156
That's a shame, because I always reinstall Shogun 2 while saying myself "I'll try something different, with NoDachi and Naginata Samurais this time".
And I always give before I can even unlock them because the battles become too big too quickly and I panic and restart.

I just like the comfy, small battles.

so best ship weapon/loadout lategame?

Is there something broken liek the old tachyon lance, or is it still good just not best?

>>168340851
Battleships
>Giga cannons/Tachyon Lances
>Kinetic artillery
Cruisers
>Kinetic Artillery
>Plasma cannons
>Flak battery

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>>168340661
Yes, for some reason the pressure keeps rising although I haven't touched any of the controls that alter the simulation models. Maybe I'll post more once I get the hang of this.

>>168340661
>>168340757
Im just glad that im not the only one.

>>168320765
the full coversion star trek one
alphamod for gameplay mods
zbeautiful battles

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>>168313982
>two empires having the same homeworld
This would be huge for UN of Earth and the Commonwealth of Man.

Heck, how about a game where all 8 of the colony ships survived, UN of Earth in the middle and different flavors of rebelling human colony/empires around it.

Or how about a game where multiple empires start on the same planet, say Earth being home to the Chinese Hegemony, American Directorate, United Space Kingdom, and EU caliphate, all expanding outward from Earth..

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What am I in for?

>>168345023
Long easy boring game.

>>168345023
1 FPS at year 2400.

>>168345082
Sounds p. comfy.

>>168345023
Pain and rage. And lots of outposts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4jS2cLO7M

>>168345023
dank memes

>>168339593
>re-startitis
I do this in every game.

>>168339931
>>168339593

I'm relieved to hear I'm not alone in this. You guys keep on keeping on.

>>168278863
>you HAVE to be materialist to think that mechanical sapiance is as valuable as artificial sapiance

>>168347503
I honestly feel like I'm wasting money. The Total Wars, the 4X... And yet I never finished any.

>Gently uniting the galaxy and peaceful plant folk

Feels good, man.

>>168291604
What is this?

>>168294149
Manuels were a thing until at least '08, I think.

best stellaris mods?

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>He plays materialist
>He wants to become a machine

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When is Paracocks going to fix the combat lads? It wouldn't even be that hard.

>Add the option to have formations for your fleets, thus letting you be able to decide which type of ships take the initial fire

>Give the ability to set a 'stance' for different classes of ships in your fleet
>corvettes could be set to harass to use their speed, or to close combat to use their evasion
>destroyers could be set to support the cruisers/battleships with PD or go straight in
>cruisers could either form a mid-range gunline or slowly advance to support the smaller ships
>battleships could be set to either hang back as a carrier/artillery, or go straight in with a gorillion turrets to wreck shit at close range

>Add bonuses for a fleet that engages an enemy fleet from behind when that fleet is already in battle

Ideally I'd like the ability to create squadrons within a fleet and give them all specific orders depending on the enemy, but let's be real, Paradox will never go that in-depth.

>>168349141
And some sort of supply system or area of effect weapons to render doomstacks less usefull in certain situations.

>>168348909
Why do Chinorr always end up being huge assholes?

I pretty much genocide them on the spot nowadays.

So how do I get Girugamesh (ally) to move his inquisitors off my land? They've been sitting there for ages now and I want some more of that sweet, sweet gypsum.

>>168349141
I'm gonna conquer the new world for that sweet indian ass

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>mfw putting destabilizers on corvettes with late-game evasion

>>168349141
Nice picture. I'm taking over the new world for that butt.

>>168331814
Purging should not make alien xenophobes happy in most circumstances. You are aliens to them as well, they dislike all aliens, and there is every chance you will try to purge them later.

>>168353757
You're underestimating propaganda. You don't say "hey, we don't like ayyys", you say "these ayyys are terrorist, we're acting in self-defense".

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>>168351057
>>168353358
too late....

and pic, when natives declare war on you out of fucking nowhere

>>168353757
There are Russian neo-nazis who cheer for Hitler, anon

Spite is a powerful emotion

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>>168353757
Its like USSR and Germany.
Both were isolated so they start cooperating with each other. Then Hitler backstab Stalin.
Suddenly USSR and UK&USA become great allies.
Whole Stellaris diplomacy is so tiff.
Why collective or xenophobic or despotic empire even care if you invade some preFTL nation or purge some primitives or undesirables?
Its not like Belgium still suffer diplo penalty because Kongo. Or nobody talk with Turks because Armenians disappear.
And heck even Nazis have plenty of minor allied states or neutrals who trade with them.
I miss MoO where if you nuke enemy of your other enemy hard enough you will get some congratulation letters and offer of peace and alliance.
Damn MoO is such a fucking gem that some guy made in garage alone.
Hell even now there is plenty of people nations or governments(most of them) who don't care if some primitives wipe each other unless they can use it to push their interests.

I mean sure if you strong and pose a threat and suddenly start massacring all alien pops then your neighbors should freak especially if you beat their allies. But why enemy of the purged who is on other side of galaxy and hate aliens would care?
Why your allies who helped you purge enemy would care?
Now you can demand cleanse planets, your allies will happy oblige, help you win and then freak out.
Your xenophobic collective vassal states will freak out. (which could be reasonable sometimes but what if you have good history with them and always keep your word to them?)

Also bonus to F.Xenophobes is very low capped and they still have -1000 from F.Purifiers.
These changes also make possible to have something akin cold war. Free world is pissed but your allies and subordinates care much less and 3th party forget quickly.

>civ6 trade routes once completed establish a trading post in the destination city which acts as a rest stop, extending the range of the rest of your trade routes from this city
So good.

Are genemodded niggas still a diferent species?
is it better to change my guys, or just use others since the will be equally hated?

>>168357313

How high are you lad?

>>168357313
No, but genemodded ninjas are a thing.

Not in Stellaris, though.

>>168355776
You talk like a Russian scum, Ivan. That's not very soviet. You make Mother Russian sad by not talking like true capitalist pig.

>>168331340
Because thats' what apple-juice does?

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So what's the consensus on ES2? I'm kinda liking it so far

>>168365203
I had no idea what I was doing in it, so I ended up dropping it

>start stellaris
>begin playing, build up tech research
>completely lose interest as I piddle away researching basic shit for years

how do you do it 4x

Can you play Stellaris with pirated DLCs?

>>168357313
genemodded pops will only rebel (iirc) on a world with <50% habitability.

>>168366353
Yes.
You just need to use a crack for the game, you can still launch it from steam even with a crack.

>>168335207
did you go and play remastered because people were bitching about it

>>168348909
do ayys get fedorayys

>>168349141
>>168351057
>>168354670
>When I was in the boat, I took a beautiful Cannibal girl and the admiral gave her to me. Having her in my room and she being naked as is their custom, I began to want to amuse myself with her. Since I wanted to have my way with her and she was not willing, she worked me over so badly with her nails that I wished I had never begun. To get to the end of the story, seeing how things were going, I got a rope and tied her up so tightly that she made unheard of cries which you wouldn't have believed. At the end, we got along so well that, let me tell you, it seemed she had studied at a school for whores.

so i found the expansion planner in stellaris and its neat, problem is, i cant sort based on conquared species, who has the difrenet climate that i want. Am i blind or they jsut said fuckit halfway implementing a good idea to mkake it almsot useless?

Why is there no icon on the galaxy map for systems with primitive species?

>>168368569
Will be in Banks.

>>168365203
It's getting there, but the individual techs need a rework now that eras are just tiers on the tech ring.
Ship design as well since you lose access to lower tier weapons and defenses when you hit a new military tier and that makes new ships much more expensive as you can only design them with the highest tier basic weapons if you don't research the special weapons.

Best 4x Space game out there?

What is it?

>>168368495
>they jsut said fuckit halfway implementing a good idea to mkake it almsot useless?
Is Stellaris your first paradox game?

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>>168365908
>get bored of every game before the menu loads
>repeat for 10 years

I've never actually considered suicide but it's been pretty up front in the brain space recently

>>168370459
>Human Imperium
Very creative name

>>168370548
Thank you, I'm not a very creative person.

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Is Aurora 4x the new hotness?

>>168365908
>Play Moo, its Faster. Or Galactic Civilization.

>>168370652
I am sorry anon, but I think he was being sarcastic.

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>>168370798
yes

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What kind of ship should I tech towards for combat? I'm thinking of doing carrier swarm

>>168365203
I like how it is and where it is headed. Right now, I just wonder what options there will be for custom factions so I can go full gibdust fishjew.

>tfw to smart too play aurora

will we ever have a none 2D space game?

>>168372957
Homeworld wasn't 2D.

Why does Endless Space 2 have the best layout?

>>168370798
Eh, it's too dry. There are no cultures or societies so roleplaying potential is low. Then you hear people talking about following the naval officersto add a human element to the game, which is all fine untill you realize you have several dozen ships and several hundred naval officers so everything just gets muddled in the scale, and that is if your personal favourite naval officer doesn't die "in an accident" a la RNJesus.

The game is honestly too complex for what it is doing, all the research to build installations, to build parts, to research more, to build more, to mine new materials, to create a big bad ass ship, to go to combat with. The entire game is geared towards the combat element, all the complex multilayered research/mining/building is all there just so you can have a bunch of your ships do pewpew with a bunch of enemy ships.

"Command Air Naval Operations" does a far better job at simulating naval warfare and is far more extensive (which is really what Aurora is doing). Despite all of Aurora's complexity, the one area it is geared towards is ironically and sadly the least complex, after finally figuring out how to get your big ass ship to do combat with, the actual combat is mind numbingly boring and frankly quite easy.

The game feels exactly like what it is, a pen and paper game taken to the extreme.

>>168373856
I agree with a lot of your points, but I still like aurora, and can't wait for C# version.

>>168373856
>implying there's [anything] wrong with PnP
>implying there is a SINGLE computerized roleplaying game that matches a good session of PnP
But yeah the lack of societies and such is really pissing me off.

>>168372957
>>168373290
Homeworld, and Nexus, are the only games I can think of that are full 3D space strategy games that allow you to use all 3 dimensions of movement. I guess most RTS devs just think that 3D movement is too hard for most players.

>>168374171
On this note I wish space games dropped the nodular/web design. As if all the starsystems are located on one plane and I need to pass through 5 other systems to get to the one I want to be at. Most of space consists of, well, space, not fucking star systems. I should be able to get to starsystem XYZ without ever passing through any other starsystem.

>>168374171
Would 3D even add any new strategy to the table?

>>168374002
>>168374014
I enjoy it as well, I just wish the autism in the building/research would be toned down, or alternatively that the autism in the combat would be increased.

>>168375078
It would make for nice "3D chess" screenshots of a zoomed-out map.

>>168374610
SoTS handles this pretty well on their turn based map for fleet travel, even though all the combat is on a 2d battle map. All the races, except for humans and the Zuul, can seen their ships to whatever star they want as long as it's in range of whatever FTL system they use, so you can travel in a straight line to whatever star you want to on the 3d map. Humans and Zuul both use a typical node/web system though.

>>168375078
Play Homeworld. Come int from you opponents on top of them. Apperently people dont see it coming EVER.

>>168375078
It allows you to attack from angles people typically don't expect, and allow for more diverse map design. Pulling off 3 or 4 way pincers in Homeworld is a ton of fun, but I always wanted a larger scaled game where you could have thousands of ships pulling all kinds of funky 3d tactics and formations.

>>168373670
Because of this guy.
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/117-meet-the-team-benjamin-gui-programmer

>>168375078
It would add an extra dimension of movement to work with, so ya it would. Also the nodular system we have in most spacegames right now that this guy is talking about >>168374610 is more or less a result of space being represented as a flat pancake. The nodular system makes thinks like node camping and chokepoint defense possible.

Chokepoint defense, in space, I mean we aren't even talking about camping wormhole exits or any of that, simply that you can't reach anything "behind" a certain star system unless you take it. Hold a single starsystem to keep an entire empire safe.

>>168375662
To be fair though, Stellaris, though 2D, shows some of the flaws of having full 3D movement, ie, endless cat and mouse runarounds, and complete inability to fight a defensive war. It works in SoTS because only the turn based segment has full 3D movement, so you have time to prep a defense while enemy ships move towards your systems.

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>>168334178
I'm playing Barbarossa now. I don't know what victory I'll go. Maybe science. Could do domination though.

>tfw when Scythia and Russia DOW me, I just plop some frigates on their shores and destroy their cities and units, and they end up giving me all of their writings, art, and relics

so in stellaris I can't really if level 5 lasers or level 3 plasma is better. I know the game auto equips the laser there but unless there are more plasma techs I'm not aware of, then it's still the maximum level plasma with the much bigger bonus damage. Are there really no more weapon upgrades after that though?

>>168377240
Not really. I mean Kinetic Artillery is the best NOT X-sized weapon in the game right now but eh?

>>168376530
Defensive wars in space would be fought much like how we fight in Air/Naval today. You use sensors/listening posts to locate incoming enemy vessels, then you send your own military units to intercept. You shouldn't be able to mass a gigancit army on 1 or 2 star systems and be able to hold of absolutely everything because any potential threat simply HAS to pass through that system. These systems prohibit cool things that should really be capable in space games, such as conducting raid sorteys with ships designed to "fly under the radar" so they are not located by enemy sensors and therefor not intercepted on time and strike deep in enemy territory or even be used for espionage purposes. It prohibits strategic flanking moves. It prohibits the ability to hide units in "empty space". In fact it prohibits a whole lot of shit that should be possible in a space game. These space games play more like surface naval games without air support..

>psi jump drives available for research
on one hand it sounds really cool to get, on the other hand I only have a 20k army and the unbidden would probably fuck my shit up.

>>168377635
If your going for realism like that then you would not be able to "hide" units at all period due to heat signatures.

>>168377792
Mask it.

Camouflage it with background heat signatures from other objects.

Pass through parts of space not currently surveilled by enemy.

Alternatively if you know they can observe you, but they don't know that you know you could send decoys.

So many possibilities, but none of them even remotely in use because of flat pancake space currently in use by pretty much any and all spessgames.

>>168377635
In a normal strategy game that takes place on a 2D plane, terrain limits strategy, you generally know where your enemy is going to come from and what his options are based roughly on the terrain on the map and what resources are available to him, then you use your resources to attempt to counter him.

In a 3D or 2D space game where the only place that combat can happen is around stars, and everyone can travel to any star they want to, you run into the problem of essentially having to constantly defend everywhere at the same time, which isn't feasible due to both limitations in resources and the inability of the human player to both anticipate the enemies actions.

This is why we have the current situation we have with Stellaris, where wars against nations with Wormholes or Warp are absolute cancer, you end up trying to either bait the enemy fleet into a fight by invading their planets or end up doing a runaround with them as you chase them through your territory. You can get the same problem in distant worlds as well since the same criteria apply, though the mechanics of that game make it less egregious.

Ultimately I think the solution would be to slow down all FTL travel a bit, and allow for intercepts. To use your Air/Naval comparison, air and naval combat is mostly intercept. You don't fight the enemy once they've already reached their target, you fight them before they even get close.

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When are they going to add a way to view/build from space ports in the expansion menu?

Finding/selecting every planet that isn't a core is fucking awful

>>168378708
>Camouflage it with background heat signatures from other objects.
>Alternatively if you know they can observe you, but they don't know that you know you could send decoys.
Space is pretty fucking empty, which is why heat is such a good method of detection in space, there's not a lot of other hot shit around, and you'd end up wasting a lot of resources send out decoys in enough directions and spaced apart enough to actually spoof sensors every time you wanted to attack.

>So many possibilities, but none of them even remotely in use because of flat pancake space currently in use by pretty much any and all spessgames.

Technically that's not a limitation of 2D space, it's limitation of games with nodes/lanes/webs. You can still pull feints and flanks in 2D spaces as long as a game doesn't create artificial terrain or movement limitations.

>>168368287
did you just came up with that fan fic?

>>168291604
>>168291604
Seriously what is this?

>>168379108
>To use your Air/Naval comparison, air and naval combat is mostly intercept. You don't fight the enemy once they've already reached their target, you fight them before they even get close.
Yes, which is how I would envision a "proper" spacegame to unfold.

Then again I am the type of person who adores full air/naval combat (sub/surface/air) so I have no problem with a cat and mouse type of spacegame as that is how a proper air/naval game plays out as well. Part of a naval game is to never let the enemy pinpoint your task group. Similarly in a spacegame part of the battle would be to never allow an enemy to find out the exact location of your territories. Especially true in games that wish to simulate warpdrives, because what is going to stop them from warpdriving a vessel filled to the brim with warheads on top of your home planet once they know where it is?

I believe the problem with warpdrive tech in current games is that the map is "known", nobody is ever really blindy warping anywhere. If you find an enemy at start system X, then it is safe to assume he also own the N star systems behind it, to which you can then just warp for an attack. If 3D space were properly simulated you couldn't make these assumptions on enemy locations, you might end up warping to an empty star system wasting time and resources doing so whilst also putting yourself out of position all because you made a blind warp.

The kind of game I want is never going to exist, but a man can dream.