XCOM General - /xcg/

pistols are useful

Stealth is boring.

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>>168158908
I've taken some time to update the /xcg/ ablum, now with 900+ images.
Take some time to check it out if you haven't yet, or browse through the front to see the new stuff. Last time I posted there was only about 750 some images, so a lot got added this time around.
http://imgur.com/a/S1qfx
>http://imgur.com/a/S1qfx
http://imgur.com/a/S1qfx

How do you find Facilities to raid in LW2? Do you have to contact the region then do "find a lead" missions, as with the original Blacksite?

Viper apron costume when?

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>>168159668

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>>168159668

Miia mod when?

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Iv been playing a lot of vanilla EW, i had forgot how OP upgraded shivs are. Half way though the game I'm not even using soliders anymore , only using my Sniper Col. when the objective needs it.
Also, mabey it's just my bad luck, but I have a full barracks of 70 and only 2 have passed PSI testing

>flank a 4 health advent with 4 different soldiers at point blank
>he lives and kills one of them

who the fuck thought making guns this inaccurate was a good idea?

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>>168160143

>have perfect info "cheat" mod
>missing 100% shots
>aliens critting me through full cover while flashbanged

okay

>>168163120
What about Ayys under mental servitude?

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>>168163265

>>168163419
Under mental servitude they'd remove themselves if you wanted.

>>168163596
Good

Have you guys had any success in rushing coilguns and skipping magnetics after lasers?

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Still hoping someone would pick up the Dr. Vahlen in an xcom virgin killer sweater.

Well. If we had any drawfriends.

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Wakaliwood voice mod when

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE

>>168160316
savescumming to the rescue.
game is playing dirty, why shouldn't I?

>start using teams of 2-3 Shinobi doing the very light/extremely light intel missions
>just dashing in and out
>start putting them in all-black uniforms with red visors
>name their squad Cerberus

The edge is real but

they're actually kinda cool
>tfw can't do a squad screenshot because they're literally always out on missions

>>168165123
more like
>tfw cant do a squad screenshot because they are that good at hiding

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Does anybody have the image of the clip art/stock photo of the soldiers looking through the doorway with this guy and a snake through it? I remember seeing it so long ago on /xcg/ and can't find it even on the imgur archive.

>>168165123
I used to clear out vanilla facility sabotage missions that way

What would you guys like in a dog mod?
My basic idea is giving it 4 extra moves tiles and have all cover be treated like full cover and can grab on to enemies to hold them.

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>>168166430
Damn, I know exactly what your are talking about too.

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>>168166430

>>168167240
thx

>>168160225

If you think that's OP you need to try Ghost Grenades, Ghost Armor and Mimetic Skin.

Fun Times.

>enemies can be in the fog on overwatch without the game showing you in EW

holy fuck this is dumb

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>ADVENT Captains with squadsight Holotarget
Thank god they don't exist.

>>168169647
It let's the player do the same exact thing so why wouldn't it let the AI do it as well?

>>168169647
clear the fog with your scout, anon

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I know I'm a bit late...
but I finally got to Temple Ship in LW (on normal)

The last 20 or so missions were just me running my OP squad into the fray and obliterating everything while I waited for my psi lady to finish her training. Meanwhile the longer I played the more broken the game became, especially when it came to cyberdisks. Many times the game just crashed or the disk decided to fly across the whole map and activate on the other side among civilians. Fuck terror missions.

It certainly was a ride

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>>168170148
Good job anon, not many finish the Long Ride.

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Wait a minute...
>Tygan DLC revealed
>have to go into the ADVENT network/matrix and acquire some valuable intel/research
>digital warfare.jpg
>digitally infiltrate ADVENT network with holo-soldiers
>come across ayy lmaos in the matrix
>codex muton
>codex viper
>codex stunlancer
>codex chrysallid
>mfw we shadowrunners

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>>168170413
>codex chryssalid splits into clones when damaged
>can teleport

>playing EW for first time after xcom 2
>first chrysallid
>92% miss
>84% miss
>72% miss
>crits my guy for one hit kill
>uninstall

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>yfw there are alternate versions of the in-game EU ost that haven't been modded in
>https://youtu.be/c83QEeaM9SM
>https://youtu.be/vytvfOq5jdE

these are fucking amazing

What's the best way to play UFO Defense on steam? That one link to the Steam forum has disappeared.

>>168169848
Good new anon! They're including Advent Sniper captains in the next LW2 update!

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Anyone skip lasers and go straight for mag?

If so, how's it playing out? Good? Shit?

>>168171183
>purchase game
>use files to play openxcom.org

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>>168171294

>>168170750
>168170750
What the fucking shit is that?

>>168171129
These are bretty gud

>>168171325
Worked WONDERS for me. Probably because I had 4 scientists by month 2 so Laser and Mag popped at the same time for me, only took 6 more days too.

>>168171326
Thanks. Where do I install that shit?

>>168171506
C'est magnifique, mon ami

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>>168171912
>openxcom.org

>>168172005
Ya I downloaded OpenXcomEx.exe and the readme but I have no idea where to put it. Doesn't say anywhere online

>>168172495
Nevrrmind I DL the wrong file

>>168171894

So the 5 aim meme and resource costs weren't too big of a deal then?

I'm in my 2nd month with 2 rounds of basic research and 3 scientists. 3 alloys away from jumping straight into lasers but finding the dosh to buy the alloys is suffering.

>strength 6
>all these enemies on >"light" missions

wew

What aliens are the worst idea to melee?

>>168176120
muttons then sectopods

>>168176120
all of them

you have guns for a reason

Where is the stealth meme coming from in Long Dong 2? Let's look at the downsides:

>lose out on experience (both kill xp and mission xp until 3 troops)
>no loot, including stuff like elerium cores which you really need
>always at risk of being revealed by a patrolling drone or a civ hiding somewhere
>utterly fucked if something goes wrong (and this is fucking xcom so that's pretty likely)
>welp, there's a pod sitting on the objective, guess I can't do the mission

Obviously you don't want to engage the whole map if you can help it, but I feel like everything's a lot easier if you can take at least 4 guys so you can potentially take out a pod or hold out until extraction.

Do people just feel like they have to take every mission, then savescum until their shinobi survives? I can see why people would think that's boring. But I just don't take those missions and I seem to be doing fine in the mid game so far. It's really fun so far desu

>>168176208
>>168176216
How about Chryssalid pods?

>>168176375
No dangerous than anything else honestly.

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>>168170413
>>Tygan DLC revealed

I think that's going to be more Gene Mod (and Vahlen) related but that could be a good start.

Then, as you research deeper into the ADVENT files, you come across sealed DNA strands, aka, Rulers of all the other classes of enemies in the game...

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>>168176375
explosives and shotguns

you wanna wack this thing with a sword go right the fuck ahead

>>168176375
>>168176724

Misunderstood.

Id say its a tie between mutons and chryssalids

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jl defeated beagle

he won

>>168173501
The mag weapons were such a massive leap early that I only had to invest in 1 of each type + arc swords, since if I hit anything would die instantly.

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Main menus?

>>168177865
Hello taliban

>>168176863
Mutons are way worse because of parry-counterstrike, anon.

Do lids get that?

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>Workshop isn't letting me add items to collection anymore
GG, Gabe.

>>168178484
You have to pay first. Modders need to be payed you know :^)

Are AH and SLG missions based off infiltration as well in LW2 or do you just go ahead and do them normally?

>EW has no los indicator or overwatch symbol over enemies

fucking hell is there a mod for this

>>168179695

git

gud

>>168179834

kill yourself

>>168179695
LOS you're out of luck, I think. Overwatch indicators, though, are added by Long War.

>>168179901

abloo bloo

oughta highlight the best move for you too right

Do you gain XP for farming the reinforcements?

>>168180685
vanilla yes

LW2 no

WTF? I can only bring 5 dudes on the network tower mission in LW2?

>>168179695
http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/666/

>>168184001

that's fucking sick. is that a prebuilt theme?

>>168181398
The map is tiny, more than five men makes it too easy.

So which classes make the Brest officers? Rangers and specialists?

>>168185849

shinobi are good too for those VIP extract missions.

later on I just trained everyone into officers to have maximum overlap.

>Get the dlc
>Start a new game
>Do Shen's gift as soon as it appears
>Killing an 80 health sectopod with 6 armor with a squad of squaddies and a rookie

Long story short, everyone except Shen and Spark died.

Are the hunter's weapons any good? Do I get a replacement spark if he dies doing stupid shit?

>>168187252

vanilla: they're good
LW2: 2 of them are good

you can build more sparks in proving grounds.

>>168187402
I find the frost bomb useful against targets that love flanking or have dangerous movements such as captains early, lids and stun lancers. I haven't used the rifle or pistol yet.

>>168187252
The hunter weapons are pretty good, two of them are a straight upgrade while the other is a damage boost + stun chance. Frost bombs are tremendously useful against rulers and aliens alike.

As far as sparks, if they die you need to build a new one.

>>168177936
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT XCOM

>>168177418
>but at what cost?

>>168188576
who?

>>168188576
>Finally my game is so unfun hardcore even Beaglerush has been defeated

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>advent attack liberated region
>have to destroy a relay 100 miles away
>civs getting killed on their turn with no recourse by each and every unactivated enemy including triple action sectopod
>immediately encounter powerful pods that quickly necessitate expending grenades
>can't push too far forward because reinforcements are dropping behind you almost every turn
>try to get in a slightly better position? lol here's another two pods you couldn't have possibly thought would remain

This is bullshit. What do they want you to do here, just sit and overwatch trap until you reach an equilibrium, with everyone dying on a DEFENSIVE mission? Fuck you lump you piece of subhuman trash.

>>168187402
Did they fuck over the Bolt Caster? That was my favorite weapon.

>>168189082

bolt just doesn't really suit LW2's SMG guerilla hit and run metagame. it's decent on untimed missions but not anything outstanding because of regular reinforcement intervals either.

does anyone feel like they don't their hacking awards?

I just successfully hacked for 33% reduced contact cost but it's not applied on any uncontacted region.

>>168189717

i don't know about hacking awards but this one time i accidentally a coke bottle

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>just did my first shinobi/sniper assasination
>completely flawless

holy shit that was operator as fuck

>>168191108
aaand im under the avenger

how fix

>>168191536
relaunch

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>fuck okay just act cool man they havent noticed yet

>>168191819
>autosaved with both operatives right next to EVAC

10/10

XCOM 3 should scrap multiplayer PvP to focus on multiplayer PvE

>>168192351
What would a Turn Based Tactics MMO be like?

>>168192351
>heavy
>only 16
Does strength count reinforcements? Or did I jsut had some lucky reductions?

>>168192407

https://youtu.be/kJ-xGUSbnzg?t=283

>>168191819
it worked, thanks

shadow step or lone wolf for solo/all shinobi/sniper team shinobi?

>>168192825
Didn't mean to reply to.

Shen senior or Vahlen?

>>168193908
>choosing
Why? They are best together, bickering like the married couple they were originally going to be.

>tfw made it to first terror mission with a solo soldier on classic ironman EW
Snipers are fucking broken

Headshot
Snap Shot
Rapid Reaction (wish it was sentinel but whatever)
Opportunist
Bring Em On

Idk what i'm gonna get at Major, praying for HEAT ammo, but even without it I can bring In the Zone thanks to boosted crits enabling massive damage fuckery

I will become the next solo madman

>>168194331
>snapshot in vanilla
sqaudsight is so much better though

>>168195015
>solo soldier
Squadsight is useless when there is no squad to sight for you

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>Do hunter mission
>Questioning why Bradford is a lolsword ranger
>15+ sneks with 2 health next to eachother
>Reaper

At least I truly see.

>>168195297
He's all about CLOSE RANGE now. Old Bradford is done with ayylien's shit.

>>168195297
>reaper
>every time it procs bradford says DIE DIE DIE

>>168195614
>Fear the Reaper!
>3 damage

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>this isn't a flank

smgdh

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>>168197324
I haven't played EW in what feels like decades but if I'm not mistaken the line of sight is being blocked by the dumpster itself.

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collaborators get what they deserve

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I really don't see how this rookie will survive

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>>168199184
>-8
>-9
>-7
>-9
wtf lump

>>168199184
maybe they will have really good luck

>>168199924
yeah sure

>>168199908
Ok at least Smit it godly fast and has insane dodge. Like some sort of speed tank. Hans Hendricks would make a fantastic tank.

Is there ever any reason to not take Untouchable?

>>168200373
Depends on the skill tree. What is it currently up against?

Should I skip mag and go coil after lasers?

>>168171129
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


This is like when Jeff Van Dyck uploaded different-sounding M2TW tracks to the CA website

>Oscar mike
>Command
>both usable from stealth
>flabby civilian sprints past ayys, troopers and MECs activating everything and evacs in one turn

He made it from that bus to the flare, solo 2LT shinobis were not a meme.

>tfw no xcom tactical shooter done in the style of oldschool rainbow six games

it would literally be perfect

xcom is literally just rainbow six except they kill ayys instead of terrorists

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>>168201358
This bus, that is. Next turn shinobi just broke stealth and ran in himself, ADVENT cant possibly compete.

>>168201460
How the fuck did you hack the cell but are still stealthed? Do you have the reconcealment ability?

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>>168201432
That's what I've been saying. Mix rogue spear and xcom and your good to go.

>>168201531
It was a liberation non-concealed evac mission where you're actually supposed to take a squad and escort+fight, but I only had one day to do it. The VIP is already with your troops.

>>168201575
this desu

>>168201575
>oh cool, time to learn some stealthy signalling
>it's a joke poster

Do you have the original?

>>168201654
Oh, I thought it was the hack and then extract mission.

>all of my rangers are injured
>shit, a bunch of my dudes are injured and I don't have an AWC yet
>advent strength 9 HQ liberation

I have 8 predator armors and 2 of each laser weapon including pistols (they're useful) but I've got like 2 sharpshooters, 3 technicals, a grenadier, two assaults, and a gunner available to do the mission.

Fuck that network tower mission was intense. I tried to sneak around but ended up activating several pods at once and then had the reinforcements start to drop on my ass so I had to beeline it to the objective which activated yet more pod(s).

why the fuck did they get rid of the doors block sight mechanic in XCOM 2

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>>168201791
I didn't, but I think I may have found it.

>>168201990
They didn't. LOS is just broken in general.

>>168201868
>I have 8 predator armors and 2 of each laser weapon including pistols (they're useful) but I've got like 2 sharpshooters, 3 technicals, a grenadier, two assaults, and a gunner available to do the mission.

And you don't have an AWC?

With the network tower, sneak a shinobi to the objective while positioning your squad to ambush two pods. Hack the objective which shuts off reinforcements and stuns all the ayys for two turns.

The rest should be pretty doable with 5 men.

>>168201990
In general they didn't, but I've found a few doors are bugged. Are you playing LW2? I've found a lot of the new maps to be buggy as shit.

>>168202067
I went GTS first for training rookies to squaddies/officers.

I have no other facilities.

Besides that I've been living off mission rewards/black market.

I've been prioritizing guns and armor.

Killed some faceless but set my haven to do all intel since I wanted to liberate ASAP, after which I should be able to get some steady supplies before liberating the next region.

>>168201990
It's just different terrain. Does the door have a glass window? X2 also has laser windows, holograms, and general alien future-city geometry that is going to be different from the usual. XCOM across all generations was about the sudden juxtaposition of different terrains, going from a farmer's field full of hay bales into the weirdly shaped corridors of a UFO and shit.

>troop column mission
>8 enemies in a pod

they made the rocketeer especially for this right?

>>168202204
Don't start intel before you do some heavy recruitment, agents are important.

>>168202312
I have 13 agents in that haven, but they're all in hiding now because LOL STRENGTH 9. At least I'm about to liberate it.

Also expanded to another haven with probably around the same number of agents but that's only strength 2 maybe.

>>168202309
>they made the rocketeer especially for this right?

They made sting grenades for this. ~50% will be stunned and stand in the open, the rest won't have the mobility to scatter too far and will clump together, making a great target for a cover destroying rocket that'll leave them stood in the open.

>finally doing BLACKED site
>only 17 contacts
>I put a team of alien-chewing badasses in full combat gear on infiltration for 18 days for this

Gonna feel bad if some crazy new enemy doesn't appear and at least try to give my squad some shit.

>>168202309
Early on technicals are good for that, afterward I'd just toss em into havens and forget about using them for anything.

>>168202425
no anon
i delete them on engage

>>168202309
>>168202494
muh alpha strike

>>168202494
Rockets do fucking nothing in the mid-to-late game. For AoE damage saturation fire far, far better.

>>168202494
>i delete them on engage
Which is pretty easy to do if you've made them all stand out in the open for your rangers, gunners and serial sharpshooters, the actual midrange damage dealers.

Rockets don't scale at all well.

>>168202738
when does the midgame start?
>>168202631
you can leave mr. lump your weeb class a shit

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvdRDfStBPA

gud musik

>>168194331
do you just sit there overwatching the entire map?

so what's the timing on shen's last gift/alien rulers with gay long war memes?

Havent played xcom 2 in a while. What are the must have mods?

>>168204170
>>168204046
Are you posting dumb questions just to keep the thread alive?

>>168202808
And how are you gonna make them stand out in the open without grenades, demolition, etc?

>>168205241
Shit, you can see the comment chain for a reason.

can i build a gunslinger with the awc?
i have an assault with fanfire as first skill

If I'd known coilguns were going to look this sexy I'd have fapped a couple times first, jesus christ. Based long war team blowing shitty X2 designs out of the water.

>>168208035
But should I skip magnetics for them?

Also civvies with coilguns when?

>>168207098
Anyone can train all the pistol skills, it's just the order that changes.

It works well for assaults as fanfire and faceoff are fantastic as midrange flanking options. Shinobis too as the gunslinger skills work excellently with shadowstrike.

As you up the difficulty the training times can make it pretty costly, especially for a class that's most likely to take wounds.

How would you feel if there was a version of, or an option for Long War 2 that abandoned most of the changes to the Strategy layer, but kept the Tactical layer the same?

>>168208882
It's mostly the stealth that I don't like.

I'm tempted to just loosen up the infiltration times so that it's full squads going out constantly.

Ummm...
I might have misunderstood what hiding meant for haven guys and I thought that if I put everyone to hiding after I see advent strenght climb up they wont die on retaliations.
Needless to say I now have an empty haven. Is there a way I can fill it up again? Or is it like that forever?
It's my second region after I liberated the first one but I have plenty others, so no need to worry about that.

>>168208563
you mean as im advancing further down the AWC tree or just difficulty, im playing on legend and its not too bad imo, he can skip a mission or 2

but this sounds OP, an entire squad with fanfire/faceoff/LH
who even needs main weapons

>>168208882
i like the strategy layer apart from missions popping up with less than 4 days left

also extend the turns because on some maps, you can only sprint to the objective

>>168210009
>I might have misunderstood what hiding meant for haven guys and I thought that if I put everyone to hiding after I see advent strenght climb up they wont die on retaliations.

Hiding prevents specific retaliations that are related to the rebels jobs, at high Advent strength and 3 rebels on intel you get ayys raiding your supplies, 3 on recruit and you get recruit raids.

To recruit, having a soldier advisor gives a passive chance based on rank.

Scanning with the avenger counts as 4 rebels on intel so you might be able to pick up some jailbreak missions.

>>168210009
Put soldier advisor there, something might happen.
you can also scan area for resistance rescue missions

>>168210271
Even though the order is randomized a high ranking skill (like fanfire) will take a longer time to train.

But yeah, a higher difficulty means longer AWC times across the board.

>>168210009
Put a really good soldier as haven advisor I guess, or scan there and try to jailbreak some agents with luck. But that region's probably lost to advent most likely.

>>168208318
I wouldn't skip any tier, coilguns takes awhile to reach, mag is great for fucking up mutons and advanced ADVENT while lasers are passed down to the newbies.

>>168210434
>3 rebels on intel you get ayys raiding your supplies
I meant
>3 rebels on SUPPLY you get ayys raiding your supplies

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This is some straight up bullshit right here

>>168210559
IT'S TOO LATE ANON!

THIS IS ALREADY BEING CODED INTO THE NEXT UPDATE

>>168210701
oh lawd, i didn't even know that was possible

>>168210915
They're built to turtle now. Bonus hp, bonus armour in cover, increased chance to hit and now poison fucking bullets. LW2 is officially a stealth game

rendezvous missions aren't fun or interesting, and my haven faggots should be able to take care of a faceless and a few advent troops on their own

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>>168211085
>rookies should be able to zip up after going to the bathroom without the commanders handholding

>>168210701
>graze+viper

This is why you download easier war dark events.

>>168211085
disagree
i think it is
>actual soldier taking civils to a fight

i just wish these guys always had weapons so retaliations wouldnt be so brutal on your haven pool, too major of a setback

>>168210701
i had increased defense, armor and resistance to explosives at some point

no thanks

I'm genuinely surprised to see there aren't more voice packs for SPARKs out. Seems like robotic voices would be fun to make.

Does the +10 aim & crit from successive shots that Locked On provide activate if you use rapid fire?

If this is the case should I pick rapid fire on this soldier over hit and run?

>>168212394
Yeah. Seems rather pointless perk otherwise.

>>168212394
i think rapid fire takes it's hit and crit chance from the initial shot, it doesn't recalculate for the second

>>168164142
CEASE, YOU GODDAMN DEGENERATE

>mid-september
>finish retaliation and go back to avenger to call it a night
>try to load save, just gets stuck on loading screen forever
>not playing ironman
>load one autosave back, evac again
>make another save in avenger
>loads just fine
>everything is ok

>>168214665
MAKE ME

>>168217234
You know what I'm not going make? Vahlen in that degenerate sweater, nigger.

>>168218132
the sweater isn't attractive anyway
i don't get why faggots flock to it so much
you would think degenerates would have slightly better taste

>>168218247
it's just fotm shit

>>168204039
I just got mimetic skin, so mostly yeah. The first couple missions are a fucking pain in the ass, because on the first you can't move+shoot. On the plus side Hunker Down is OP, especially when you can get 50%s on high cover sectoids

Mostly i spent easily two hours running through the meld tutorial trying to get a good soldier.

>>168210543
Hmm, around when should I get mag?

>>168218132
>degenerate

Sounds like ADVENT talk, boyo

>>168218132
In the first place, I doubt you can even draw

>>168218132
Will you draw an adorable clumsy femboy Shinobi-class?

>>168213293
It's for light em up

>>168219719

>we will never have cute kawaii orphan kids fighting the ayy menace

How the fuck do I beat troop column ambushes when I get no time to infiltrate?

>>168221524
No timers. Overwatch spam and technicals.

>>168221636
How are the rewards?

>>168221869
You get to keep all the corpses, and you get a bunch of bonus supplies, ayyloys and elerium. It's your main source of supplies untill you liberate a region and (atleast for me) your main source of elerium and ayyloys the entire game.

Was Dr. Vahlen a medical doctor? Was Dr. Shen a mechanical engineer?

>>168222638
they were the magical scientists that first-year STEM students jerk off over that will fix the world

>>168221636
>technicals

>>168222638
Vahlen was some sort of multi-disciplinary super scientist (PhD doctor, doubtful she'd have an MD)
Shen was a multi-faceted engineer

>>168223051
Early game they're more useful than grenadiers.

>>168223123
Tygan is not an MD either but he's doing surgery?

>>168223771
Don't need a degree to do surgery senpai. Credentials and accreditation are artificial requirements. Just need the knowledge, skill and a steady hand.

Why is soundtrack so shit in XCOM2?

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>hate this fuckers in X:EU
>see them in X2
This was like meeting an old lad tbqh

>>168223771
Aliens probably put their own credential system in place, especially since hospitals were all replaced w/ gene clinics.

Is the me3 palaven mod compatible with lw2?

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>-15% aim, +3 damage
>+15% aim
This mod is too good.

>>168226719
Is that Grimy's Loot Mod?

If so, does it work with LW2?

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>>168224262

Is there a mod yet that replaces all enemies with lids?

I'd imagine different types too

>very fast small lids that can run at long range but 2 hp
>Stealth lids that are invisible until it gets in a certain range can't attack while invisible
>lids that can spit their saliva damaging a single soldier has DoT effect like sneks poison
>Armored lid with lots of hp, the "tanky" lid
>Obligatory lid queens
flying lids

Too masochistic?

>>168226719
That's what plasma SMGs look like? Goddamn that looks like shit.

>>168227335
It looks like a miniature particle accelerator. If only it looked good as well.

>>168227187
Starship troopers

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>>168227187

Cont.

>Flying lids pick up your soldiers and eat them while they're flying
>other troops have to shoot them to get their comrade free

Mission types
>Fighting your way into nests to set X4 and blow it to hell
>Regular "extermination"
>Defending havens from being overrun due to fast growing lid population going out of control
(Avenger can only be in so many places at once)
>"Queen extermination"
This is the concept mods version of liberation.
>Destroy this massive fucking queen who has similar health to LW1 to stop them from breeding in that region.

What do you guys think so far?

Stupid idea?
Interesting?

>>168229109
[Would like to know more]

>>168227187
>Codex Lids that can drain your ammo and split on damage.
>Can still spawn more of themselves through killing things.

>>168218391
Yo, this fag again here. Would anyone be interested in a few recorded solo soldier missions? I'm testing out a bunch of jerry-rigged recording and editing shit on a mac so I have a soundless video of a flawless Friends in Low Places. Idk if there's any interest in uploads.

>>168229109

Cont.

Regular campaign in the late game involving the ethereals and ending advents oppression plus the alien rules from DLC would kinda pull you out of the lid purging story.

>Start instantly with 8 rookies in squad size
>upgrade later to 10 then 12 (may adjust)
Thought specialist would be useless in this mod concept but with ethereals still technically running shit i suppose there could be "robotic lids"
>Robotic chryssalid
>Has more armour than HP (maybe added shields)
I'd imagine this is a mid-late game lid because conventional weapons won't do anything unless you shred alot of armour or bypass it several with combat protocol but i just remembered specs can also be medics which imagine there will be alot of them will be needed.

(names subject to change)
>Classes
-flamer
This is your obligatory "kill it with fire" class that carries a flamethrower as a primary and a sawn off as a secondary like LW2s ranger,
Flamers aren't known for long range but you can upgrade to a probable wider and longer cone AoE perk.
>Gunner
Similar to LW2 This is the guy with lots of bullets to mow down the lids
>grenadier
Explosives are an obvious need to purge the lid from this earth
>Assault
This is your CLOSE RANGE unit that does alot of damage but has to get in hand holding distance to the lids equipped like in LW2 with an arc thrower incase you dont have the time or moves to reload and fire at the lids
>shinobi
This happens to be taking alot of stuff from LW2 but hey it's good stuff.
This is your melee character that like the assault equip rifle or shotgun but has a sword for the secondary
>Sharpshooter
The usual Pistol slinger or long range late game god.
>specialist
I already went into this one but for completions sake this class with this mod concept is going to be your medic mainly, it can go the usual hacker but would be only useful against robo lids *comment to long Cont.*

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>>168232131

Cont.

>specialist
I already went into this one but for completions sake this class with this mod concept is going to be your medic mainly, it can go the usual hacker but would be only useful against robo lids unless combat protocol is moved down the perk list significantly and the damage is increased quite a bit (maybe a small chance to stun)

Brb saving all these concepts to Notepad.

>>168232608
You'd bettet actually make the mod bucko

>>168231828
>that's a no
RIP

Why did they buff Ready for Anything? Didn't it only proc when you ended your turn without shooting? Now Advent can move, shoot, overwatch. That's such an interesting mechanic when you only have rookies.

>playing with red fog
>squad full of squaddies led by 2LT shinobi
>elite advent troop column led by elite snek
>end up having to take risky run and guns and soak a flank shot
>assault gets pulled but freed by hail mary sniper shot and finishes off snek
>advent 1st sergeant and assault at 1hp each in their own corner of the battlefield
>staring each other down around the corner of an SUV
>gasping for air, bleeding out of every hole and blind firing their guns around the corner trying to finish each other off for 3 rounds
>squad doing everything it can to suppress and keep other advent attention on them while slowly winning the fight
>assault finally lands the 29% and finishes him off
>limps back with run and gun to flashbang the elite officer and be part of the final kill

I got cocky, never send a full squaddie team in the mid-late game.

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>nearly finished xcom 2 campaign
>finally build a psi ops lab
>check for a recruit to put in that lab
>suddenly get a message from the dead

>>168239161
>implying dead

What happened to the XCOM EU/EW resources in the OP?

>>168240160
Which ones? The LW pastebin is still there, and the EU/EW Long War secitons are still in the /xcg/ pastebin.

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>>168234209

>Tfw too incompetent to make this mod come true

I'm sorry.

>got the dark event where faceless infiltrate havens a lot more
>it's been off for like 5+ months now
>haven't had supplies this entire campaign and still getting constant rendezvous missions
why

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>Never done the DLC missions before, give it a shot when it pops up in late March
>2HP snakes, this shouldn't be too hard
>Oh regular snakes no biggy
>60HP 3Armor snake
>Ruler Reaction for everything short of turning the camera

>>168241337
>short of turning the camera
Hey that's a great idea

>>168241437
Jake pls.

>>168241437
>game detects you breathing
>gives them another free move

>>168241337
Alien Rulers is just hard, Shen's Last Gift is a cakewalk with minimal preparation. Shen herself is disgustingly good against robotic units, and 100% of the enemies in the DLC mission are robots.

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>>168242040
>>168241552
These ideas are gold. GOLD!

If I evac carrying a dead soldiers body do I keep the stuff?

>>168244163
Yes. That's the entire point.

>>168244163
Yep.

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What absolute magnificence

There's a trooper inside the mountain throwing grenades at me.

>>168244163
>tfw there will never be a mod that adds funerals after losing troops under the avenger as an avenger animation.
Why must animation be to hard for modders :(

>>168247141
Probably because XCOM funerals are held midflight, and the coffin is dumped overboard. Packed full of explosives. Over an ADVENT base.

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>>168246584
I DON'T WANT TO RESTART THIS MISSION

IT'S A SWARMING SUPPLY RAID

What would I need to edit in the config file if I wanted to remove the aliens getting points when xcom soldiers die in LW 1.0?

Tried searching in the file but mentions of alien research seem to be unrelated to that.

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>>168241437
>>168242040

Is this what Magnificent Design looks like?

>>168164142
I'd much prefer a Viper in a Keyhole sweater.

how quickly should you capture an alien with the arc thrower

because im seeing mutons now and i still havent done it

vanilla not LW

>>168201575
>>168201432
You mean Breach and clear?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/266130/?snr=1_7_15__13

>>168250450
Eh, ASAP for ya. The story missions can be blitzed whenever you get bored of having 7 sectopods per mission.

How can I add aiming angles into LW2? There is a gnar tactics submod on the workshop, is anyone using that, or are there .ini edits I can make?

>>168250838
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/266130/?snr=1_7_15__13
Sort of, but rainbow actually has you playing in charge of a member while carrying out everything.

>>168253015
>Sort of, but rainbow actually has you playing in charge of a member while carrying out everything.

That is not compatible with the XCOM style of gameplay at all nigga.

In XCOM is all about controlling squads to rekt aliens, Rainbow was like XCOM only in the pre-action phase when you planned out the clearing of rooms.

>>168250450
The optimal play in vanilla is to max out all non-story research first. Completing story missions unlocks new enemies, which makes the game harder, so maxing out weapons/armor tech before triggering that is the effective if boring way.

>>168241119
They're permanent dark events, doofus

>>168253292
It's not supposed to be straight xcom gameplay. It's supposed to borrow the settings while putting you into a different perspective, but still maintaining that tactical gameplay that requires attention and skills.
And Rainbow six is about squads wrecking people, you can't pull things off by yourself. If you don't coordinate well with your squad (and squads) then you won't be able to pull through the mission.

>in LW2 you don't get experience for killing aliens in a squad based tactics game where you are supposed to kill aliens
hmmm............

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Friends I know people on /xcg/ are asking for a draw fag and I might be able to step up to the plate.

Problem is my skills are practically near stick figure levels.

Should I be the hero /xcg/ needs? Give me requests if you think so.

>>168247141
wouldnt mind different animations for dudes returning from a mission with casualties in the barracks and the bar

>>168261723
show us your best sectoid

>>168262121
Pectoid or midget?

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>>168261197
But you do

>>168261723
art is art. Check out this masterpiece.

>>168262196
pectoid with hairy legs and undies

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>>168262781
>>168262196
akin to this

>>168262985
Nigga you don't wear socks with sandals

>>168263528
this why we fight them

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>>168263528
>this faggot doesn't

Would eliminating the time limits improve LW2? They still get a bunch of reinforcements if you screw around doing OW spamming, so it's not like the game won't punish you.

>>168263729
50% hard timers and harsh soft timers, 50% no-timers, increase timer lengths, nerf stealth.

LW2 is now fun.

>>168261723
There is one anon who drew this really good pic of Annette but he's been absent lately.

>>168261723
Just show us an example of your art. Not gonna request until you show something.

>>168249575
Keyhole sweater is SOOOOOOOO 2015

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>when your assault blows away another advent faggot and then you notice the shell ejected from the shotgun rolling around in the action cam.
pretty cool desu

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>Stealth sqaudsight sniper with arc thrower
Is this even a good idea?

i hate this mod with a fucking passion by now
im gona do this one legend playthrough and then BIN IT

>All soldiers gain exp mod
>set it 5% and 1%

>suddenly a corporal who went on one mission and out for 25 days is a rank above sergeant
>turn off
Might have to do probably the massive killing spree of missions I just had but out you go.

>>168226850
Not fully. It only drops T1 gear because PI fucked up the weapon upgrade system

How would an XCOM rts work?

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>>168269873
XCOM apocalypse with more rts mechanics.

>>168268401
Doesn't loot auto upgrade with tiers though?
Or does that not work either because they removed squad upgrades?

>>168270852
It does not. It might be the issue with no more squad upgrades or they did something to the schematics.

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>>168270996
Fuck me.
I love Grimy's mods and can't part with them.

>>168271130
Same here. The only alternative I found was taking the mods off Grimy's guns and sticking them on the higher tier versions to work on crazier combos.

>AH Crossbow
>Ammo Synthesizer
>Literally anything else
>Win

Any tips for the regional HQ mission?

>My demolitions rank 3 guys has 3 hp on a haven invasion mission.

That's bugged as shit right? I mean for 40 days because of a barely saved bleed he was out of action.

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/xcg/ i need some suggestions for my character pool.
preferably from animu and males if possible.

>>168273061
Felix Argail :^)

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>really like XCOM
>stop being around because PC won't load it and XCOM-2 on PS4 was still some time away
>Northernlion starts uploading his XCOM 2 LW 2 playthru
>suddenly king ayys
>vahlen references


Holy shit what happened? Is that Shen's Last Gift DLC thing or an expansion or something? I want to know about this dank XCOM lore, is there someone's full playthrough of the DLC this was added on that doesn't skip literally everything and leaves cutscenes so I can know what's new?

Man I love this game, I should get it for PS4 so I can rage.

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>Beaglerush BTFO Long Bore 2 nuthuggers

>>168275836
Nah, he's mostly wrong. But he's right enough.

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>>168276570
How is he wrong?

>>168276694
AYY LMAO

>>168171098
>being this bad

>>168276694
At some points he complains the Infiltration system gives players "too much" freedom. I can't agree with that desu, especially considering I believe it's a really good mechanic for that reason. That's my biggest gripe.
He goes on to argue against timers again, but he always takes a very hardline stance, that insists no good can come of hard timers. I agree that too much is bad, but they aren't inherently bad, a good mix would work wonders.
He's right about the lack of info, that needs to be fixed up, in-game or at least a full wiki for players to refer too.
I agree that stealth should not be emphasized, which was his smallest argument (when it should have been his largest), though perhaps he didn't think he needed to argue it much.

I can't really recall the rest of his arguments, just that I really only agreed strongly with the stealth section. I'd say he's right that LW2 needs some big improvements/tweaks, but I didn't find a lot of his argument very compelling.

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>>168277798
and result

the 2 ayys who survived the street sweeper died immediately afterward to CCS

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>>168277991
CCCCRITS

>>168275646
>TFW no pet Seeker to play catch with.

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How much of a bonus does +5 defense actually give my troops?

>>168278664
>tfw no pet Seeker to let ravage my holes
Fixed that there for you, buddy. Don't thank me, it's a public service.

>>168278932
It's literally 5%. Do the math yourself.

>>168274615
why the toaster?

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>>168277271
I sort of see what you're saying regarding infiltration. Maybe he meant it was really jarring that the game would go from you having no/minimal control of things to an inordinate amount?

Timers are bullshit as they are in LW2. Having a specific mission type like bomb disposal with timers was one thing. It was uncommon and the fact it was so thematic was exciting. The challenge came from you being forced to play loose and fast, but if you got into a tight spot, the power nodes still allowed for some slack.

But when the majority of missions railroad you into the same playstyle? People bitch about OMG YOU'LL JUST OVERWATCH CAMP!!! but thats 100% player choice. You can OW creep. You can be aggressive. You can do whatever. But the timers in LW2 pigeonhole you into exactly one style of play which as Beags pointed out, revolves around actively avoiding playing the game.

LW2 is indeed a fucking disaster regarding filling players in.

I think he was light on the issue of stealth because he'd discussed it before. It is a massive issue though. XCOM2 was not designed to be a stealth game at all. There is absolutely 0 depth to it and making it the focus of the mod (or at least the "first 20 hours" as cucks like JoinRubs or whatever say) is a really fucking bizarre decision.

>>168279228
And he's 100% correct about this issue. I don't understand why people thinking having less options is somehow good.

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>FOUR FUCKING DRONES

it's like this mission was designed to piss me off

>>168279832
Because people are autistic retards who think that removing the old optimal way to play is good because it was too strong.

They'd have a point if it was multiplayer but it isn't. Crying because some guy OW creeps in his campaign is faggotry of the highest order and Pavonis can suck my fat cock.

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>Haven defense starts with my gunner on fire so he can't shoot at any of the landing ayys.

>>168280991
Precisely. And the worst part is that LW1 was fucking hard anyway, the game still had a lot in the tank to fuck you with. In XCOM2 you also have these reinforcements and yellow alerts that already punish slow play, the timer is just an extra "fuck you" added on top of it.

I'm seriously thinking about eliminating timers entirely and see how it goes from there. It's a really shitty feeling to have this map variation due to random generation and all these varied opportunities to create ambushes and tactical manoeuvring and be stopped by a timer which doesn't make sense in most of the mission types. Ok, evacuating/capturing VIPs would make sense to be timed, but why would the workstation shut down automatically, why would the relay suddenly leave, why would the Advent train workstation suddenly lock itself out in such a short notice? I'd have loved to play with True Concealment for LW2 but for some reason it bugs my game and I gave up on trying to see why.

>>168282393
Honestly I put on LW2 True Concealment and bumped timers up a few rounds.

Theres already a fucking sword of Damocles dangling over your head with yellow alert/pods being drawn to you.

>>168279832
Because he's not 100% correct. His stance is that timer missions do not add anything interesting or worthwhile when they in fact do. A hard timer missions forces a certain playstyle. Fact. However, without them you would never see that kind of playstyle. If you put the hard timers in a proper mix like everything else, then the campaign is actually more tactically varied than before. A campaign that has mixed hard timers, soft timers, and no limit missions will offer the most tactical variety and challenge, and the player will not feel pigeon holed.

This is why I say he's right and he's wrong. Beagle would just remove every single timed mission if he had it his way (superior to an alternative only timer missions), because he thinks of it in a binary fashion of either you have XCOM1, or you have XCOM2, with no middle ground. Timer missions have valuable contributions for gameplay, and can really nail that smash and grab feel that soft-timer and no-timers fail to do.

Are there any mods in XCOM 2 that make vision less of a liability?

what do you pick for LCPL on rangers?

Walk Fire - Close and Personal - Covering Fire

>>168284216
what do you mean vision? like line of sight?

>>168283171
I don't entirely agree with you. Without timers you will still make aggressive plays, sometimes you went in with a shitty lineup for a smash and grab, sometimes your guys get spotted by multiple pods at the same time, there were still times in LW1 where you had to leg it. You also have the fact that you won't 100% every infiltration. Sure, having 1 mission type with timers would be ok just like it was in LW1, but there are other ways that punish slow play that are better. For example you can progressively increase the rate of reinforcements, you can increase the aggressiveness of yellow alerts, these two variables will fuck you alongside you running out of utilities.

The overreliance of timers was a big design mistake made by Firaxis, imho, and LW2 only makes it worse.

>>168284374
depends on if i'm doing an overwatch or a damage ranger. cover for overwatch ranger, walk fire for damage. You don't have to use the same skill for everyone of your rangers.

>>168284617
The only way timers can work while pushing the Guerrilla Warfare angle is remplace the consequence of failing the timer with nonstop reinforcements.

So something like True concealment (With short timers) + Guerrilla Warfare reinforcements mod.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-X1F0dke-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0WDnMBIzfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0IA02W8WTo


I miss this beagle.

>>168283171
Forcing a playstyle is shitty design. Period. The End.

Beagle Overwatch Creeping affects no one but the person doing it. Quit railroading my gameplay because some Australian likes to go super slow.

>>168284617
>Without timers you will still make aggressive plays
But you will never play aggressively. I have never done the smash and grab playstyle in XCOM1 for the entirely of when I played it. I think that says something. Hard timers mean a different gameplan. They force you figure how to move fast in uncomfortable positions, when experienced players would default to the higher percentage success of playing it extremely cautious.

>For example you can progressively increase the rate of reinforcements
But this is where the weakness of soft-timers come in, namely that they don't communicate to the player. You start hard-timer missions and you go, ok, I have x turns to do this, and you set a gameplan. You walk into a soft-timer missions and you go, well I guess I should move fast, but I don't want to play to risky. But then it turns out the behind the scene soft-timer fucks you, because dropping 8 man pods on your 5 man squad every two turns absolutely fucks you just as hard as a hard timer. You can't kill them fast enough, there is now way. The difference is you never saw it coming. On the other hand, if you make them to easy, the player just camps it out and tells the timer to fuck off.

> you can increase the aggressiveness of yellow alerts
Fuck yellow alert. That mechanic just fucks everybody no matter how you are playing. In fact, it encourage hardcore turtling and nothing else. If you don't push up, you can't get flanked and slaughtered by the pods being drawn to you.

>>168285340
>Forcing a playstyle is shitty design. Period. The End.
No it's not. Bomb missions force a play-style. EXALT missions force a playstyle. Terror missions force a play-style. XCOM1 Impossible forced a playstlye. Alien psionics in x-com forced a playstyle. This is not an argument that holds any water.

>>168277271
>At some points he complains the Infiltration system gives players "too much" freedom. I can't agree with that desu, especially considering I believe it's a really good mechanic for that reason. That's my biggest gripe.


Not bad because it gives too much freedom, bad because provides too little structure. When you say it like that it's like "How can more freedom possibly be bad?" but the point is that the Infiltration system leaves too much of mission difficulty up to the player's Infiltration decisions, which a) takes the focus away from Tac and b) makes the game much less intuitive. It's much harder for players to judge how effective their approach will be and to judge their victories/defeats and learn from their mistakes. Did I take the wrong number of troops? Did I take the right number, but the wrong combo of classes? Did I take the right number and combo, but didn't have enough infiltration time to make it work? Should I have boosted? Was my equipment the problem? Was my approach wrong, did I go for a fight when I should just be stealth cheesing? Was this mission even winnable in the first place or should I have ignored it? Or was it actually all a great approach but I tactically misplayed it? Did I do the best I could with the Infiltration I was capable of or did I make real tac mistakes that could've been avoided?

In LW1 and other Nu-XCOM you can depend on most of the above as a constant. Number of troops, alien difficulty/numbers and overall mission challenge are generally "What they're supposed to be" for that point in your campaign. When you win or lose it's easier to look at the things you're given control of - class combinations, tactical decisionmaking, and whether you or the aliens are getting "too strong" and snowballing, which affects the outcome of the missions positively or negatively for you.

>>168286019
Aren't all of those questions merely things that you learn about any new game? LW2 *isn't* X2, it's a new game built on X2's mechanics, doesn't it make sense that it'd have a learning curve as players adjusted to the new dynamic?

>>168286019
>bad because provides too little structure
And I disagree. The freedom to choose what missions to take, how to approach them, and when to bail is something I have enjoyed since x-com.

This is someting that comes down to personal preference, and Beagle make it clear it is his own personal preference in his own arguments (which you left out). He does not like the extra emphasis on the strategy layer. I'm totally comfortable with it however.
More complex strategy layer is not a bad thing.