/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games Gener

I don't think Civ VI is as bad as its reputation suggests

>>167784478

But anyone do care more
Its -5 per pops and additional -5 for individualist and -5 for xenophiles(double for fanatic version).
So you can get -20 for fanatic ind xenolovers.
Also base for the same spice pops is -25.

And it max at -1000 with 1 decay per year.

Anyone tried xenophobic individualist run?
Its like +25% happiness from buildings.

>>167784448
>>167784752
See, that's why I only committed genocide 5 or 6 times before i controlled about half the galaxy.

>>167785012
I miss times when you can actually glass enemy planets with populations and enemies of the guys who get nuked cheered on you and send you congratulations.

Focused Arc Emitter for best weapon against FEs and AEs alike

>>167785712
lolno

>>167785712
That is a funny way to spell Giga Cannon.

>>167785881

I love the Giga Cannon so much, I just get into an autistic "roleplay" mode with Stellaris that I can't help but giggle at slapping spinal-mounted slug throwers on my massive warships.

Shame I can't literally build a ship around the gun like Halo, though. I want my cruisers launching tungsten rounds at relativistic speeds.

>>167786031
Too bad that combat in Stellaris is just simple RTS tactic gather more guys and shoot at the enemy.

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>>167786031
>Shame I can't literally build a ship around the gun like Halo, though.

>mfw my warlike, very spiritual birds discovered Particle Lances through RNG 20 months into the game

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>>167781743
>Found some space sneks,

You know, I wish there were more portraits that are just inexplicably animals wearing clothes. Like, actual space sneks that are just inteligent sneks with a hat or bowtie.

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Ground troop designer WHEN?

I want to slap personal shields on my soldiers! I want to design their power armor! I want to give them grav tanks! I want it I want it I WANT IT NOW!

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Does anyone know how to make YnAEMP maps stop failing instantly with Vox Populi due to no settlers spawning?

>>167786705
I want to design what foul xenos I will unleash on my enemies. Will they spit acid? Will they have claws? Or will they be engineered, cloned soldiers with no initiative, needing a psychic commander to lead them?

>>167784308
>that OP title

>>167787083
What's wrong? I like that gener

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>>167787083
>>167787549
Somebody need to done new bread.
Sadly there was only me.
Don't laugh to hard.

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>>167787839

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So I'm thinking the ultra strong + charismatic trait for my sneks to counteract the other pop dislike modifier
And also because come on, who wouldn't want to be hugged by one?

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>>167787052
>>167786705

>tfw the game doesn't even give us the chance to build Mechs

It's like Paradox doesn't understand that half the fun in designing a visually distinct empire is the working parts within it.

A Star Empire's ships and infantry should look a hell of a lot different from a Mega Corporation's ships and infantry.

>>167787839
HAHAHAHAHA !!

>>167788521
Frankly, I just want to build the mothership from Furi and bully not-spacefaring planets.

>>167788064
>charismatic trait

But why though? The Sneks are a race of soldiers and miners, they aren't going to be the face of your race.

So I modded that xenophobic or collectivist empires care less if you purge some aliens.
Still considering amount of xenos in space that will not help that much.

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>>167788640
to counteract the negative modifier
what would you suggest?

What are good Civ v mods?

>>167789185
Just keep them on separate planet.
In their own snakerarium.

>>167789185

Are you planning to ship the Snakes onto inhabited worlds? That negative modifier will never come into play if you never put them with other races.

Hell, it presents all sorts of delightful roleplay opportunities; imagine the reptilian supersoldier, terrifying in his height and bulk, their grotesque voices and eldritch mannerisms putting off even the most tolerant xenophile. This is not a race fit for science or the arts, this is a race bred and born for war.

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>>167789609
Well they are on a desert (islands) planet so I'll be using them as desert colonists, its just that I can't stop my pops from migrating to and from the planets
also
>his

>>167786705

Id settle for a quick way to add the stuff like Xeno cav to Army units. Having to add them one at a time jsut makes me ignore them

>>167789942
>its just that I can't stop my pops from migrating to and from the planets

Well hey, if they want to live with the biological killing machines than more power to them!

>His

You know, I almost forgot the females of most reptile species tend to be larger and angrier than the males, nice catch!

>>167790001

Xeno Cavalry and Xeno Swarm feel like things that shouldn't be separately built in the first place - if you want my honest opinion, armies should be modular, customizable things (much like ships) where you can add modifiers like "Clone Commandos" or "Commissars" or "Personal shields" to the unit.

>>167790001
Yeah its really shit.
Just clone 50 clone troopers and drop them on enemy planet.

>>167790152
what are some good snake/reptillian deities of ancient times?
need to name the planet
and pray the titanic life dont develop a taste for mammals

>>167790190
>Just clone 50 clone troopers and drop them on enemy planet.

>Clone Troopers
>Not Gene-Modded Supersoldiers

>>167790293
>what are some good snake/reptillian deities of ancient times?

Seraphis, Chimaera, Draconis?

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>>167790543
Clone troopers are cheap, fast to produce and expendable.
Losing 20 of them because they warp first or stay behind is no problem.
Gene modded SS is another story.
But yeah I want troops designer where you decide what training, troops, weapon, armor, shields and support/heavy units they have.

>>167790791
I want outdated troops that fights with swords instead of lasers. I want the Navy to be all about technology while the Army is just "MUH HONORABU DUEL WITH KATANA".

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>>167790543
>it begins

>>167790791
>But yeah I want troops designer where you decide what training, troops, weapon, armor, shields and support/heavy units they have.

Imagine how god damn easy it would be to design it, too.

They'd literally just need to rejigger the Ship Designer to reflect a terrestrial focus.

>Ship size is army size
>The different hull sections is army organization
>Stuff like Auxiliaries is Xeno Cavalry or Commandos
>Shields are shields, power is power, guns are guns, and armor is vehicle support

>>167791264
Stellaris makes me regret Sins' system where you just invest money in the planet and it develops it by itself.

Boring as fuck, but makes more sense than only being able to build three mines on a planet.

>>167791470
Thing is there is little to do in Stellaris than clicking on buttons and waiting.
They must add some time sinks.
>still don't understood why you can't order building the top tier available building and need to go through hassle of upgrading it.

What's the name of the song in the OST with the organs? I'm trying to get a good vibe going with some paper writing, but I can't seem to find it.

>>167791776
>They must add some time sinks.

Ordering your Science Ships around is such a great timesink that it just feels *wrong* when you reach the point where further exploration is impossible.

>>167791776
>Thing is there is little to do in Stellaris than clicking on buttons and waiting.
True.
It's really sad, but I have far more fun with EU 4 than I have with Stellaris.

And yet I hate EU 4.
>not middle age
>not fantasy
>not sci fi
>just cold, hard, cynical reality

At least the Neptunia mods I installed introduce some dream to this harsh reality.

With negative ethics divergence will pop begin to move towards the Governments ethics?

>>167791264
Since I only have one gene point to spare at the moment, could I go for strong now, and then upgrade it to the next tier later on?

>>167792036
Yep.

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>>167786940

H E L P
E
L
P

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>>167792036
Yeah.
Also it is affected by the pops that is close to them.
So drop dissident into loyal folks with high green divergence and they will fix him.
>>167792142
No don't do that. If you modify uplifted species after you uplift them you will lose it.
Wait until you get maximum trait points.

>>167792370
ok, just finished research on gene tailoring, now I have two, think I should wait until I have 3?

>>167792370
are the humans the collectivists or are the apes?

>>167792563
>just finished research on gene tailoring

I thought you can get a maximum of 3 trait points?

>>167792703
Uplift = 1 trait point for uplifting
gene tailoring =+1 trait point
that leaves me with 2 trait points
I can wait for another tech to get me one more trait point or I can just go with strong + another trait

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>>167792563
>>167792991
Yeah. Wait. You shouldn't colonize in first place

>>167793172
fuck
colonization is the only way to uplift now

>>167793208
ah screw it, gonna go with quick learner and strong

>>167792991
>or I can just go with strong + another trait

I'd suggest going with something "fun," something that fits the general mood or theme of the race you're creating.

Also, when you start Uplifting you will have the opportunity to choose their Ethos, obviously choose Militaristic if you want even more modifiers to your army strength.

>>167793208
Yeah.
But you don't want mixed unhappy pops?
Just wait until you have 3 points, then colonize uplift and evacuate your guys from it.

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>>167793353
Take resilient and strong.
They are upper soldiers are they not?

>>167793373
>Just wait until you have 3 points, then colonize uplift and evacuate your guys from it.

This, and then just give them Ultra Strong.

>Epigenetic Triggers (Uplift)
>Gene Tailoring
>Targeted Gene Expresions

You get Targeted after researching Gene Tailoring.

>>167793508
where did you get these futuristic ww2 paintings?

>>167793823

I've seen them posted around /tg/, might be one of the tabletops.

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>>167793823
>>167793952
What are you talking about?

>>167793357
>>167793357
just under 8 years to go, last time I uplifted I never got the chance to influence their ethos, but that might have been a one time thing
>>167793508
reminds me of the game March of War
I had so much fun in that game, even though it was a pretty mundane tbs. Sucks that they pulled the plug on it for a card game

>>167794746
>just under 8 years to go

It takes you 96 months to research Society tech?

>>167794843
no, it costs 2.6k society, and at the time I was at +22, now I'm at +26

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>>167795023

>tfw I've been at +460 Society for so long I've almost forgotten what it's like when every Shadow world was a treasure.

>>167793823

Reverse Image search brought up this board game Anon.

>£612 on Amazon

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36367/dust-tactics

Anybody here actually roleplay their empires? i need inspiration for my next play through

Tell me about your civilizations otherwise your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>167795683
Shamanistic warrior bug people who spend all their time stock piling weapons and ships in preparation for their version of Ragnarok.

also fuck you

>>167795683
You can't kill what's already dead.
;_;

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>>167795683
No fuck off and die alone in darkness.
>>167795559
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B69GuFrMt5N_OTdhMmZjNzQtYTFiZi00ZTlhLWE3NTQtNjY2NDgzNTRjYmQ1

>>167795683
An evolved, Nationalistic form of the United Nations of Earth. Due to the rise of Islamic Fanaticism, somewhat aided by European socialism, the United States and the Russian federation effectively declared war on the Middle East. أوروبا الجديدة. . . I mean the European Union tries to declare a war of intervention, which ultimately fails with the United States and Russia dictating the terms of the new United Nations as a government instead of an international council

6 months until super snek soldiers

>>167796690
they spawned with xenophobe but are militarists. . .I didnt even get to choose ;~;

>>167795683

Which one do you want to hear about first, the Hyper-religious Vasari, the ethereal Sidhe, or the corporatist Mirovandians?

>>167796994
>Vasari
like
SINS Vasari?

>>167796994
all of them

>>167795683
Neck yourself, faggot.

>>167796994
>Sidhe
>Irish in space
That's a little grim.

>>167797120
>>167797156

The Vasari are descended from raptors that long prowled the skies of Kerak, an arid world that orbited a touch to close to their mother star Mirabel. The Vasari grew to both fear and cherish the sun, a Creator and Destroyer as she alone provided the enormous quantities of heat necessary to incubate the eggs of a sapient species. The Vasari evolved, struggled, and in time harnessed both space travel and concentrated light, which they regarded as an extension of Mirabel. Although their home star is the chiefest of the deities in their Pantheon, the Vasari regard all stars as gods, some more mighty than others (Mirabel is a Blue, and thus blue holds special honor as a color of both divinity and power.) When Utopia comes out I intend to go Psionic with these guys, and build Dyson Spheres as Holy Relics with which their priests can contemplate the cosmos.

The others will come up later, I need to actually get on a computer (phoneposting.)

>>167797302

They *are* grim, anon.

They're a race of strong, enduring, intelligent Alpine (the eponymous mounds of Sidhe myth) dwellers that have organized themselves into vast planetary tribes, traveling the mystical leylines of the galaxy (Hyperlanes) in pursuit of new people to conquer.

As curious as they are cruel, they're xenophobic warmongers dedicated to kidnapping other races and "changing" (changelings) them into forms more suited for their growing Empire, which was known as the Ecumene.

>>167796872
>First Lieutenant Preston Mitchell log 1. The snakeoids frankly scare the shit out of me. Part of me worries that they are going to suffocate me in their coils, part of me is afraid that they'll just eat me. That and the constant booming of the titanic life marching. They are *theoretically* peaceful, but again they are 40 meters tall. But I digress. A military academy is being constructed for the more gifted snakes. Hell half of them get startled every time they fire off a 5 round burst from a machine gun. Private Marlowe was attending to one of the snakes before he eyed a particular snake firing off 1-3 round bursts from the mini gun. He yelled over at her, I think the exact words were "Hey! It's a machine gun!" while miming with his hands pressing the two buttons. The snake nervously stammered out an "okay" before she let the minigun fire off the rest of the rounds it had in its belt. I swear I never seen a snake smile so widely.

>>167798106
>>167797804

Last but not least is the Mirovandian Mandate, my first ever Plantoid race and one I devoted a lot of time to thinking about their behavior and ecology.

They are a race of tropical flowering plants that grew up in a region where mineral wealth was profoundly localized, forcing the more cleverly evolved of their number to become ambulatory so they may find regions better suited for growing. This behavior irrevocably shaped Mirovandian psychology, causing them to desire resources with a lust as great as a dragon with gold.

The strongest of their number became the first Executives of the great Corporations that arose on the planet, and when their sights turned to the stars the Mirovandians began to master the art of tunneling through the fabric of space-time to reach their destination, not unlike a stem (the wormhole station) producing many roots (the portals.)

Are are gene modding and terraforming in Stellaris so worthless? By the time you unlock them you've already finished the most expansion-heavy and critical part of the game. Afterwards they're so expensive it's retarded to ever use them, because you pay astronomical costs in society/energy for almost no benefit.

hell, even if they were unlocked from gamestart they still wouldn't be that good. if you really care about expansion so much it's far more efficient to go with an Extremely Adaptive species and get most of the same benefits for free from day one. I can only imagine gene modding being useful if it was a tier 1 tech like colonization, since that would be early enough to prepare for the expansion rush ahead. And even then I don't think it would be a meta choice because there are ton of critical early society techs you need to get through.

What shit balance.

Reminder that Mammalian women were made for Superior Arthropoid cock

>>167799383

Really? I use Terraforming all the time. When terraforming becomes a big deal you're usually swimming in energy, so it's not like you're killing yourself every time you click that button.

>>167799383
I think I agree with >>167799491

>>167799491
>I use Terraforming all the time
What the hell for? If you follow the proper expansion route using 3 species (one each for dry,cold,wet worlds) then you can very quickly colonize everything but tomb worlds. terrafoming requires adjacent colonization / frontier outpost, tons of energy, and tons more time.

>>167795683
Current gameplay doesn't really lend itself much for roleplay.

>>167800157
>If you follow the proper expansion route using 3 species (one each for dry,cold,wet worlds)

I don't actually modify my races?

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>>167795683

Just the usual greedy bunch. Attacking, dealing, trading, uplifting, etc.

>>167800157
>not genemodding one primary species planet for hostile colonization

Disgusting.

>>167799383
Stellaris does have completly shit balance. Half the game is stuff you'll never use.
Fuck it, just list the things that are strategically useless:
> Terraforming
> Gene modding (except perhaps early uplifts)
> Military stations
> Emergency elections
> Changing your government in general (they're all indistinguishable)
> Survey in other peoples' territory
> Army modules
> Most armies in general (no reason you'd ever need to switch between Psi and Xenomorph, for example)
> Robots
> Purging
> 90% of the strategic resources (the only one I ever notice I even have it Teldar for happiness)
> Missiles and torpedos
> Missing-heir-causes-civil-war in heredetary governments (still bugged since v1.0)
> Planetary edicts (can't afford the influence when your resource base is small enough that they'd be useful, make no fucking difference when you're big)
> Ethics divergance (weaksauce factions mean there's no disadvantage to running a schizophrenically divergant empire)

WHAT FUCKING KEKS EVEN MADE THIS GAME?

What will you name your sentient murder dildo when Banks comes?

>>167800890

I LIKE TERRAFORMING THOUGH

>>167800890

Armies are key to revolt prevention and they can get you tons of warscore while also crippling an enemy planet.

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>>167801009
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>>167801105
No.
Armies give less warscore than blockade and revolts never happen because factions are sclerotic.
You only see revolts if you go Full Slaver, and slave revolts give the enemy a single planet which is then trivial to siege.
Therefore garrison armies are you paying 20 times what you need to in upkeep for an event that happens once every 100 years.

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>>167801105
He didn't say "You should never build armies", he said that army modules and most armies are useless.
And he's right. You'll use assult armies, and then you'll use one of gene/xenomorph/psi armies, and that's it for a game: you use two, and there's no practical difference between any of the stronk ones.
A well balanced game would be one where each army (and module) has key advantages and disadvantages and you actually have to make a strategic decision which to deploy in a given situation.
That is not the case in Stellaris. You just close your eyes and spam whichever one takes you the least long to scroll through 4 submenus to get.

>>167802050
Pretty sure the current devs know the army system is a mess and it'll be redone at some point if that's any comfort.

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>>167800890
>Terramorfing
I like it and it have some use for my RP purity gameplay. But yeah inability to terramorf settled planets suck.
>Gene modding
RP mostly. And early expansion. It does not matter that much. Although having very strong industrious fleeting alien slaves really help to boost my minerals production.
>military station
It allow for some tactical tricks but yeah with current 'no limited range and no supply' fleets and with no possibility to concentrate them they are joke.
>emergency elections
Yeah. Used once. I think.
>changing gov
But its problem with everything in Stellaris. Ships the same, pops similar, traits don't matter really, planets the same, ethics are mostly limiting players and not make for fun. Its like Paracucks hate fun.
>survey in others territory
Yeah. Its still free exp but yeah.
>Army modules
Better soldiers for the same upkeep. But yeah armies general are pointless. If you have weak soldiers and units just spam them.
>Robots
Well yeah. If pops don't grow like crazy and population really matter.
>Purging
Yeah. Just play collectivist. Slap mind control laser and you get working planet faster than by purging and regrowing pops. Not mention giga diplo penalty.
>strategic resources
Its more like one time boost. But yeah its suck. Much more fun were buildings and space port components.
>missiles and torpedos
Add assault shuttles.
>planetary edicts
yeah. It helps to boost your giga planets when you at war and need some extra energy for your too big fleet.
>ethics
Factions are weak and there is no politics at all.

You forget about
>diplomacy
10years truce and automatic honoring alliances that make galaxy stale
>war score
Another retarded way to kill fun.
>leaders
No matter really unless for research. Generals useless.
>planets
All the same, one biome/climate, no difference in collecting resources etc.
>resource systems
Just minerals and energy. Really?

Plenty of other things.

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>>167785012
>genocide is the quickest way to controlling the galaxy
what did paradox mean by this?

>>167802264
>Much more fun were buildings and space port components.

They got rid of the buildings?

>>167802515
The xeno zoo and betharian energy plant can be only build at tile that have xeno pets or batharian stone.
So they move these strategic resources to local one.
As far as strategic resources they only count once and give static bonus. That is all.

>>167802716
To be fair the old system was pretty fiddly and problematic and actually not very fun at all

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>>167802902
Like all in Stellaris.

>>167802515
The Processing Plant resources for actually activating the empire-wide strategic resource bonuses, yeah.

This anon >>167802264 is right, things were much better when you had to build the modules on spaceports. Encouraged you to have dedicated shipyard systems, and actually made it feel like strat resources were scarce and important rather than just "I didn't even know I had it".
That v1.2 system had its problems too (mostly that the bonuses were still fairly unimpressive and inessential), but it's better than what we have now. They managed to change it and make it worse.

>>167802716
>As far as strategic resources they only count once and give static bonus. That is all.
So they don't stack?
If I have two whatevers that give 10% to kinetic weapons it doesn't add up?

The biggest problem is that all races/governments/ethics play essentially the same.
>>167803131
Yep. Don't stack. You still can trade them.

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Hold the line guys. Do not die on me.

>>167803354
Hopefully Banks/Utopia will fix that.

>>167804530
I see the gameplay and it looks like collectivist and xenophobic get nerfed again.
And it looks the same.

>>167804606
Collectivist is outright gone in Utopia.

>>167804670
The replacement that not make sense.

>>167800157
>What the hell for
RP.

Lets be honest here. The AI is NEVER challenging in paradox games.

You make your own fucking fun. Whether by intentionally gimping yourself (picking shitty small nations/empires in previous games) or by rping and limiting your own effectiveness.

Multiplayer throws that out the window, of course.

>>167800583
>I don't actually modify my races?
don't modify, conquer. You can conquer a pre-FTL species, or snag a capital planet off a nearby empire within the first 2 decades. It's far faster + more reliable + available earlier than gene modding. The only ones who are kept out of this strategy (which is the best strategy every game) are pacifists/xenophiles, who suck.

>>167805521
>pacifists/xenophiles can't conquer

>>167805738
Pacifists can't directly conquer anything early game, which is a HUGE handicap. Xenophiles are barred from invading pre-FTLs, which is also crippling but not as bad as pacifists. So in the end:

Pacifists < Xenophiles <<<<<< anything else

>>167806038
>Pacifists can't directly conquer anything early game
they fuck? They don't have the option to cede or liberate/vassalise? They get unhappiness from offensive wars I know but are you saying they literally can't take another empire's planet? I haven't played pacifists for ages because they suck but I'm sure I conquered other systems with them.

I never played the second expansion for civ 5. I was thinking of getting back into it.

Is France still good? I guess they removed that cool bonus where you get extra culture until steam.

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lolwut

>>167806420
Of course they can liberate, anon.

>>167806894
Well, Kenneth?

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>>167802141

>science output on tiles is displayed: physics, society, engineering
>upgrades are in order of: biolab, engineering, physics

REEEEEEE

>>167807986
...He says, and then makes it necessary to hire defensive armies to govern your slaves

>>167807986
>and stellaris is not barebones
HMMMMMMM

>>167808208
> settle within 5 tiles of a civ's city
> they get pissed, denounce you, and may declare war
> they settle right in between two of yours
> denounce you if you even try to tell them off on it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>167808740
Yeah.
That and lower unity and happiness(which mean lower everything and less influence) will kill xenophobes and former collectivist.

>>167809034
>responding to a stellaris memetext with civ shit

>>167809493
Why do xenophobes and "former collectivists" get less happiness and unity? Or do you mean only when enslaving?

>>167809603
Yeah.
At this point I would just keep individualist and collectivist, change militarist/pacifism into expansionism/isolationism and xenophobe/xenophile into Authoritarianism/Egalitarianism.
It would make more sense.

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>the one civ who's actually still friendly with me decided to go and force me to declare war on him
God damn it.

>>167809532
Civ is good, faggot

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>>167810963
REEEE
FUCKING STOP

>Captcha: Lageyrat STOP

>>167812582
civ is baby's first 4x strategy game

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>>167810963
Awesome. The cunt saved me from having to declare war on him by trying to extract tribute from me.

>>167812956
> on /civ4xg/
> shitting on civ

>>167812956
Who gives a fuck? Civ is fun.

>>167812956
>civ
>strategy
lmao

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AUTHORITARIANISM IS NOT OPPOSED BY EGALITARIANISM, IT'S OPPOSED BY LIBERTARIANISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING PARAKEKS YOU DUMB SWEDISH BASTARDS

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>>167812956
> those plebian Civ players cannot fathom the euphoria from more sophisticated 4x games

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>>167813871
i've seen better projectors at New Mexican schools

>>167814256
Well, now I feel bad that I picked on somebody unfortunate enough to go to school in New Mexico :(

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>>167814349

>>167815017
I mean, I was following up on the wonderful 'New Mexico schools are bad' joke, so it was going to look bad either way.

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>How do you want your diplomacy?

>>167816660
hey it's just like civ 6

>>167816734
Except they aren't asking for free resource

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Time to give master of mana a go.

>>167816660
You did this to yourself, didn't you?

>>167816660
What did you do?

>>167817382
YOU DO IT DO YOURSELF
YOU DO

>>167817296
>Illians
Sheaim are the best villains.

>>167816660
>pathetic

Wow, its fucking nothing. If only the AI wasnt so mindbogglingly retarded, having -1k opinion would actually matter.

>>167818386
*TO, ffs

Stellaris will never be good

>>167818428
They're pretty overpowered in master of mana, they end up winning most of the time.

why does stellaris still not have trade mechanics?

>>167818592
Your future will never be good.

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>>167816660
>not being at war with everyone

>>167819296
because there's nothing to trade

>>167819837
there's nothing to trade in total war or civ either

I am fond of Horatio.

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>he is going to settle right in the middle of my lands, and I am powerless to stop him without going to war again
[incomprehensible rage]

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>>167823724
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL

>>167823982
Kill them, no mercy.

>>167824268
I'm just going to watch it for now, but if it manages to get onto the mainland I'll murder that motherfucker.

>tfw you will never find a buddy to play Civ 5 on Epic with
Why even live

>>167792693
Humans are the ones with AK-looking guns, so I guess it's obvious.

>>167813624
but then they can't do the autocracy vs democracy duality they have going. it would imply libertarianism is innately democratic.

>those last stellaris spoiler tweets
>adding red button that literally says "DO NOT PRESS THIS BUTTON"
fucking swedes
don't tell me what to do

>>167827985
I'm pretty sure it was the Fallen London guy who wrote those events. That's got his scent all over it.
Which means it's an Englishman to blame, and that, of course, is far more terrible.

Holy fuck horatio is busted, by mid game each and every one of your citizens is a living god, and god help the rest of the galaxy if you decided to go the industry route in the quest

>>167829567
Getting to that point is painful though.

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>>167829567
>switch from bountiful harvests to mass happiness to carry on with a war
>next turn half of my planets lose pops
Food buildings are spaced so weirdly in the tech tree right now. You get one on T1, on T2 you get +20% food and a building that only works on high happiness and then it's nothing all the way to T5, unless you take the planetary specialization. Why would anyone that wasn't Horatio even need food buildings in fucking T5? All the planets are full by that point.

>>167830095
Food output also correlates to manpower passively generated.

>>167830219
Building T2 food to manpower buildings is enough to keep your manpower at full for the entire game. At least it was for me in my Endless difficulty playthroughs. I'm not even talking about running Gulags, since that stuff was probably not intended.

>>167830095
Just switch to democracy and run both, dictatorship is kinda shit

>>167830405
>He doesn't use roundup to make sure dissidents can't dissident

>>167829793
I played on four player four armed spiral galaxy, you have enough time to snowball by yourself. Maybe if it was disk

>>167830469
When I tried 4 spiral, it had one spawn in my constellation and one in the center constellation.

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>Oh, hey, can I have half your treasury?

>>167830550
Did you have more than 4 empires in the game? I've played a bunch of spiral 4 games and only times 2 empires spawned in the same wing was when I set the number of the empires higher than 4.

>>167832356
I mean the 'kill Prime's pirate fleets' part. They spawned separately. Probably because I had a system in the center due to assimilating a minor faction there.

>>167828268
>hating on the glorious Anglo
I WANT THE KRAUTS TO LEAVE

>>167832801
Oh, that doesn't make them harder to kill though, unless everyone already closed their borders on you. Just guard the system the pirate fleet is going towards and it will attack you upon reaching it.
First Vodyani quest can also spawn shit in random parts of the galaxy.

>>167832101
>not even a debt or a favour system so you're giving them money for free

Mind over matter Dev diary today right?

>>167834384
Yep.

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Is Age of Empires II welcome here?

That and Cities Skylines are the only games I play anymore.

How can Horatio gene splice using Vodyani if Vodyani are essentially just Dust in suits?

>>167835215
We talked a lot about AoE2 before, and how the AI was supposely vastly improved in the HD release.

I still prefer Galactic Battlegrounds, though.
Lasers...

>>167835334
I never played Galactic Battlegrounds, was it really just AoE2 with a Star Wars reskin?

>>167835418
More or less.
It's more interesting than just that, though, given that almost everything is ranged and there's air units and all that.

>>167835418
Well, there are a few differences (like, you can garrison "sheeps" to get food constantly like relics, you can have aerial units and shields, the basic units are ranged), but to keep it short, it's a reskin.

How has Civ VI been? I'm a macfag and my laptop won't run it.

>>167835624
Go take a shit.

Congratulations, what you pushed out was better than Civ 6.

>>167805304
true, but stellaris is totally lacking in rp mechanics
even eu isnt a great game mechanically but its set in historical europe so you can do autistically ahistorical rp. in stellaris you cant do that, mostly because its a 4x, not a gs

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>>167835215
>the 5.2 changelog
Yes, I am sure a bunch of slight nerfs to Malay (removing fishing ship discount is a good one at least) will make them a well balanced civ.

At least they didn't ruin the beauty of Aztecs with Vietnamese allies.

>>167819742
> that empire name
REMOVE SAIDAR REMOVE SAIDAR

>>167835703
>true, but stellaris is totally lacking in rp mechanics
Stellaris ONLY has RP mechanics
As elucidated above >>167802264 >>167800890 the vast majority of the game is junk mechanics of interest only to RPers because they have no strategic utility at all.

>>167835215
>not disabling Wonders
Anon what the fuck are you doing?

>>167836270
Yes anon but unforunately even those mechanics mean squat to an RPer
Fuck even AoE2 has more RP potential

>>167836270
those arent mechanics

>>167836412
The only reason for that is because games like AoE and EU give you historical shit to play with so the RP is front loaded. It's always easier to RP as country that existed in history with the setting being the real world, or at least a well known fictional one, than making things up from scratch, which stellaris basically forces you to do.

Is it possible to pay mp stellaris with pirated versions of the game.
Me and a friend tried with hamachi but didnt really work.

>>167836827
AoE2 has comfy af citybuilder potential.

>>167836827
>stellaris forces you to roleplay up from scratch unlike historical games
>none stellaris mechanics matter in a roleplaying context
but thats exactly why you cant rp

>>167837787
They'll add rp mechanics with time.
It's like you don't know paradox.

Has anyone here tried out the new MoO?
It has been a long time since it has been out, but can't find any reliable info on it.
Is it shit? is it good?
If I liked MoO2 am I going to enjoy this new one?

>>167838567
I didn't like it but I don't like turn based strategy in general.

>>167837787
>You need a historical basis to roleplay something
Surely I'm reading this post incorrectly.

>>167838567
Its similar to moo2 but simpler is terms if strategy, but it looks pretty i guess.
The ai also doesnt pose any good challenge even on extreme diffuclty

>>167838885
Im saying you need rp mechanics in an rp game

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>>167837228
Sometimes I like to go into the scenario editor and build comfy medieval towns.

My latest project was to build a Gothic imperial age town in the south pacific map for whatever reason, I guess counterfactual hilarity. I'm also working on a far more standard Viking village, with both default houses and the editor huts.

>>167836391
Not going to lie, I was getting my ass kicked and determined to win. The last minute wonder victory was mainly for my amusement though, as you can see they started to destroy it.

>>167839039
Good thing Stellaris isn't an RP game then :^)

>>167839085
Youre right its a piece of shit

>>167839085
wew

>>167839071
Multiplayer?

>>167839297
Nope, hardest AI. I freely admit I suck at the game, but even on singleplayer skirmish mode I have a ton of fun. AoE2 is just my go-to comfy game lately.

>>167839435
I forgot to add, I do use the Resonancebot AI if it matters any.

>>167839435
>AI
WEW LADDO
to be honest I'd laugh at you more if this weren't post-KANGZ
Hardest AI in post-KANGZ is pretty much ELO 1650 tier, 1v2 consistently would imply at least ELO1700
If you can consistently stomp a Hardest AI then you're probably good to go against scrubs in multi, although I'm not sure how many are left at this point

>>167839498
>Resonance
That was the one that starts the game with the long-ass greeting right? iirc that one is even better than KANGZ AI, it's pretty much ELO 1700 class on Hardest.

>>167839508
>>167839540
Yeah, I suck. I've been meaning to study the game/AI more and practice professional-tier build orders. Like I said, the game is just comfy-tier mode for me a lot of the time and it's nice to be able to just take a mix of slow-but-just-enough-challenge in games. But that's also why I want to get out of my comfort zone. It's probably time. It's even why I got the resonancebot in the first place, the more I think about it.

>>167839727
My point is that you're actually not that shit if you can consistently win 1v1 ResonanceAI. Original AoE2 AI was kind of shit but KANGZ and Resonance are actually on the higher end of casual players, they're legitimately strong for AI.

>>167839793
I tried the original AI the other night and... wow, it was a LOT easier. So I feel less bad. Like I said, I freely admit I'm not a pro and I'm broadly fine with that.

Very weird addendum: I'm leery of ruining the game for me by making it into just the most rapid build orders and keeping on the edge all the time. I do genuinely enjoy the game, its aesthetics, and even the RP potential (kinda, RTS allows for it a lot less past 'random counterfactual island in the middle of nowhere'), and I'm not decrying the pros or 'skill' mindset either, quite the opposite -- if they can get paid to play and win at video games, genuinely more power to them. It's just the way I like to play the game myself.

...but yeah, I'll try to improve. It says something when even I feel wonder victories are a incredibly cheap way to win the game. The screenshots I posted was just out of broad personal amusement at what happened.

>can play 10 SP games in the time it takes to play 1 MP game of civ
Why do people punish themselves by playing MP?

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>>167839971
>Very weird addendum: I'm leery of ruining the game for me by making it into just the most rapid build orders and keeping on the edge all the time
Yeah it can ruin it sometimes because if you know optimal shit sometimes you can beat the AI pretty much without trying. If you have fun then it's all good, at a certain point (sounds like the one you're at) getting 'better' only matters if you can get satisfaction out of getting better. And if you get too good then you have to either 1v3 or you have to play multiplayer, and I hate multiplayer with pubs.

>hurr you cheated you rushed me with archers
>hurr you cheated it's impossible for you to be in castle already
>hurr you cheated why are your 2+2/2+2 armor knights not dying
>hurr why did you not save my retarded ass within literal seconds of me getting attacked I quit scrubs hurr
>ahurhurhurdur scrubsscrubsscrubs
Well I'm fucking sorry

>>167840082
I played MP C2C once
It was amazing but it ate half my summer vacation.

>>167828268
It's not, Wiz wrote it. He's just influenced by Kennedy.

>>167827985
It makes me curious to what happens when you do it though.

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New Stellaris Dev Diary is out

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-60-psionics-and-the-shroud.998827/

Next week will be
More about Factions and how you can use them to change your Empire Ethics.

+INDOCTRINATION (That is new)

We might see different "Shroud" Gods

>>1678411454
so Shroud = the Warp?

interdasting

>>167841145
>Shroud-marked
I always thought that Loop planet event was pretty neat.

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>>167841145
We 40k now

>>167841145
is there going to be an update to make the AI not retarded

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>>167841145
>The only difference is that psionics can now only be researched by Spiritualist empires
WHY

Mind powers are not unique to religious people in sci fi. Why do they need an entire new feature no other Empire can have?

>>167842461
There'll be a mod that fixes it minutes after release

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>>167842009
Warp, I mean, Shroud invasions confirmed.

>>167842461
This is the way of Paradox.
Also the Shroud is a paid feature.

>>167841145
A bit bad that they connected it with spirituality.
I always thought that spirituality in an human empire would be close to christianity or islam or something like it.

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if we somehow managed to pull off the highly complicated maneuver called 'attack the enemy fleet with both of our fleets at the same time', we would beat them, but noooo keep engaging them in combat and then retreating repeatedly, good job

we don't even have the same FTL so it's difficult to follow them around

>>167843452
that is why you play warp only or hype only

>>167841145
>indoctrination
they're really pushing the evil dictator agenda it seems.

>>167843726
yeah, I really should have

>>167843452
I really enjoyed Stellaris, but the combat is a mess and killed all the fun.
BTW havn't played it since release, what are the major changes?
They're probably written somewhere but I'm too lazy

>>167843942
each ship type has been rebalanced so they're technically useful in an RPS fashion but honestly don't see any major difference

>>167843942
Nah its the same shit.
Missiles and torpedo and assault shuttles are useless.
Destroyers are bad. Corvettes too costly for what they do and can't evade much.
Cruisers and BB with kinetic artillery and plasma rule the space.

>>167795683
My empire was basically the kaminoans from star wars but instead of selling their clones they use them to conquer the galaxy, found a nice little planet of super strong reptiles who became my main army (since my species was weak)

>>167844157
Unless the enemy fleet has 20-30 battleships which I saw once.
I lost all my cuisers, battleships and half my destroyers after every engagement but my corvettes rekt them hard.

>>167843942
They wanted to give every ship a specific role in combat but it is still quite the same. You'll have even less control over your fleet formation.
Corvettes and destroyers die like flies because they always charge in and get destoyed. Corvettes were supposed to become torpedo boats that target capital ships in the late game. Destroyers were supposed to protect the capital ships as screens but since they don't stick to the ships they need to protect they don't do that.
Only battleships do what you expect them to do.

The stream has started for those who are interested.

https://www.twitch tv/paradoxinteractive

>>167845820
Global food stockpiles finally. Now let's hope the AI can manage that.

Anyone have good strategies for beginners/a starting guide? I got Stellaris a day back but the tutorial is shitty as hell

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>>167845820
So what species are we all gonna eat when Banks hits?
Plantoids seems like a no brainer.
Mammalians, maybe?

>>167842461
Synth ascension will probably be unique to Materialists anyway.
Besides Spiritualism needed something more to it. As it was it was just muh ethics divergence.

>>167846147
>being this barbaric

Eating sentients is a universal crime against nature.

>>167846147
>>167846275
I was thinking the same.
Shouldn't there be a galactic concensus against eating sentients?

>>167846147
The fox race. I'm going to rp that they get hunted too. Naked.

>>167846361
L-Lewd.

>>167846327
It should give you the same penalties as being genocidal.

>>167846147
The scourge or the unbidden. :^)

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>Spiritualism is STILL going to be superior to Materialism in every way
Fucking wew

>>167846275
>>167846327
>What are pre-sentients
I think you're being a little intolerant, Swedes.
>>167846361
Now this is a crime against nature.
>>167846481
Ballsy. God speed.

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>>167846525
Synths BTFO

>>167846525
They haven't touched on the other Ascension trees yet, you big dummy

>>167846327
The Dev Diary #50, The Road Ahead, mentioned:
>A 'galactic community' with interstellar politics and a 'space UN'.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/

>>167846550
I'm no swede but eating other thinking creatures is definitely haram.

>>167846147
Why eat them when you can enslave them or brainwash them to comply to your government and use them for their genetic traits.

I wonder what indoctrination is going to be about.
Maybe paradox will add religions with some species having custom made religions while others are fanatic atheists or amix of both for empires which are neither materialist or spiritualist.

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>>167846661
I imagine there'll be no short supply of aliens that would rather not defend themselves so they don't come off as bigots.

But on a serious note I'm struggling to see many aliens having the "devour everything" look that would make me want to go full Swarm, aside from some obvious contenders like flytraps, roaches and some fungi folk.
I guess it would be a struggle to justify that while keeping all the internal affairs interesting and varied.
>>167846787
I can do both.
One to be food and one to serve me food.

>>167847008
It could work for xenophobic empires.

>these animals who are beneath us are only fit for sustenance

Besides its not like they would all cook or bbq their victims some of them could convert them into drinks or something.

>>167846787
It's not necessarily eat them. You can use their milk or honey, for example while using propaganda to convince your populace they're just primitives, non-sentient animals.

>>167847162
I think you'd have to be Fanatic Xenophobe to want to eat sentients. A lot of folks on Earth hate each other but the general rule of thumb outside the absolute worst shitholes is to not eat anything that wears clothes.
>could convert them into drinks or something.
Soylent slurry is even worse, surely.
>>167847221
See, this is much more reasonable.
Still weird as fuck but reasonable.

>>167847162
>conquer an entire species of technic sophonts
>put them into juicing machines
>laugh as their bodies are ground into pulp while they are awake and in pain
>serve alien slurries to my guests, some of which are other aliens
>somehow I'm the bad guy

>>167847529
There was a race in stargate atlantis which lived off other sentients so its not a really new concept.

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>>167847221
Sentient dairy ranch when?

>>167847529
>xenos
>allowed to wear clothes

>>167847654
You don't have to let them die in agony :D
You could induce them to sleep or something before it happens.
Or quickly kill them.

Am I the only one who thinks Civ V looks prettier than Civ VI?

I haven't played VI yet so uh, I will actually be happy to be proven wrong. I'm a huge art deco fan though, so I'm biased.

>>167847853
I never let naked people into my federations.
It just seems wrong.

>>167847834
Only if it produces delicious multi dimensional unbidden dairy products.

In his Known Universe series, Larry Niven had a race that engineered another race to have bigger brains (because they are delicious), accidentally uplifting them.

>>167848117
Huge brains don't equal huge intelligence, it's more about how complex the structure is

>>167847853
>>167847956
I-I'm a nudist. ;_;

>>167841145
But can we Shroud Mark enemy worlds?
I'd better be able to cause demonic invasions on my Materialist rivals homeworlds.

>>167847940
The problem with Civ 6 is that the farms are really ugly, and there are more of them on the map than anything else.

>>167848285
That would be pretty cool actually.
But then psionics in general should get blame so every non psionic empire should become hostile after such a disaster.

>>167848245
Except I'm sure you have the sense to cover your jibblies when the situation calls for it.
Some of these aliens don't ever seem to protect themselves.

>>167848370
Ok, point conceded. I like being a nudist but I'm not religious to the point of self-harm about it like some people are.

>>167846965
Yeah, I was pretty curious about this. There should be a way to differentiate between empires/species that have an organized religion vs those that are simply highly spiritual.

Off topic from this point, but sort of tangential: I'm hoping that as the game matures and Paradox works out the kinks, they'll start to include options for pre-set scenarios, or even different "archetypes" for a galactic cycle. Maybe in your version of galactic history, as a pregame menu option, you can decide that almost all the races hold religion to be very important, so there are crusades and heresies and revelations and things like that all the time, and the victory condition isn't physical domination, but to spread your faith to the entire galaxy. Or maybe you can choose to start as a mature galactic empire that's on the verge of collapse from internal strife and barbarians at the gates, and it's your goal to just keep everything from going to shit for a long enough time frame. Or, if they finally fix diplomacy and make it interesting and functional, there could be the opposite: a mature galactic republic (ingame, a galaxy-spanning federation with lots of member nations) on the verge of stagnancy that you have to manipulate into becoming an authoritarian galactic empire, Star-Wars-prequel-Sheev-style. There are so many possibilities, and I haven't seen modders do any scenario-focused stuff like this yet. Thoughts?

>>167848316
I really wish Civ VI didn't have the mobile game look. The same art director for Civ Rev was art director for this game.

I know this is an incredibly clichéd whine to make, but goddammit, I hate the cutesy 'mobile game' style so very prevalent today.

>>167848341
Would be worth it.

>>167848316
the problem with Civ VI is everything.

>>167848457
I think a pre-made situation would take away from the game's enjoyment because the game is about how you spread your empire from the beginning.

Also a religion system in which you can design its ideals and values would be good.
For example any pop who would be part of a religion which values traditional gender roles would grow faster but have decreased productivity.
Ofcourse spiritualistic empires could try to launch huge holy wars which mobilizes their whoel population for the war effort.

>>167848457
>a mature galactic republic (ingame, a galaxy-spanning federation with lots of member nations) on the verge of stagnancy that you have to manipulate into becoming an authoritarian galactic empire, Star-Wars-prequel-Sheev-style

I would RP the HELL out of this. Bonus points if you can write your own coronation speech.
> I AM the Senate.

>>167848717
>I think a pre-made situation would take away from the game's enjoyment because the game is about how you spread your empire from the beginning.

I agree it wouldn't be for everyone, and I would more often than not just keep playing the game as it's meant to be, because you're right, how you spread and make your own stories is really fun. But I think it would be interesting every now and then to pursue more specific goals and storylines every once in a while, you know?

>>167848457
I wouldn't mind more victory conditions like faith spreading and having preset scenarios but I think they'd mostly remain inferior to having the same kind of thing show up in the game organically.
Like, I play as a religious empire and as I explore, I find a whole bunch of other religious empires who are likeminded and later still, find ones who aren't. Cue crusades and conversions.
The mature galaxies one sounds pretty good though, trying to either save or usurp a galactic federation sounds like a treat and I can imagine that sometimes I'd want to be at that level from the get-go rather than get there 100 years later.

>>167848863
>I wouldn't mind more victory conditions like faith spreading and having preset scenarios but I think they'd mostly remain inferior to having the same kind of thing show up in the game organically.
I agre that they would remain inferior. But even though 19/20 of my Civ games are regular start-from-the-beginning type games, sometimes I like trying out the conquer-the-New-World or Crusade-to-the-Holy-Land scenarios. Or because Stellaris is Paradox, then a better example would be the try-to-keep-the-Byzantine-Empire-alive scenario from EUIV

>>167784308
i'm sorry for the bad question, but what's the bottom middle image from? it looks really cool

>>167847221
Why would I milk an mammalian for food just to hear him beg for mercy and hear rational verbal structures out of his mouth trying to convince me to stop, worse of all telling me how much he loves his family and wishes for a normal life.

No man it's either purge, point-blank in a flash everything is over or nothing at all.

+ you have access to countless alien fauna, you can find some dumb alien cow with a milk with properties to make you smarter maybe... you cannot ever know,

>>167849094
Call to Power II

>>167848457
Well wait there's no difference between a religious and a spiritual empire both are cultists, they follow the same patterns - the spiritualists just deny it.

In the eyes of the rest of the galaxy they're exactly the same and they play exactly the same and have exactly the same goals.

>>167849149
thank you!

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>>167849094
Dont listen to him >>167849149
Listen to me. its call to power 2

>>167848517
Yeah I would enjoy Civ 6 a lot more if they went for a highly realistic style, with blood and body parts flying around during combat.

>>167849094
Call to Power 2, a nice game, similar to Civ 3, but progresses into the future allowing for underwater and over the clouds cities.
Also, battles are resolved as armies v armies instead of single unit v single unit

>>167849025
I totally agree, which is what I said in the third line of my post.
I guess there's also the matter of how the mature galaxy games are generated: Do you have preset roles that are filled by partially randomly generated empires or do you have an actual plot written out?
To be honest, at that stage I'd just want them to release a full on map/scenario editor and play scenarios of my making/download other people's.

>>167848863
>Empire is swamped with missionary ships from an alien faith
>can't do anything about it without going to war
>have to spam missionary ships of my own religion just to maintain parity
NO THANKS.

>>167849408
It's okay anon, the Civ 5/6 nightmare is over.
Just ban alien religions like you'd ban refugees and everything will be alright.

>>167842461
>making species attitudes actually unique
this is a good thing

>>167849498
Refugees at least populate planets, which gives me production. Why would I ever allow an alien religion? Why would anyone?

>>167849396
>I totally agree, which is what I said in the third line of my post.
My bad!
I guess there's also the matter of how the mature galaxy games are generated: Do you have preset roles that are filled by partially randomly generated empires or do you have an actual plot written out?
Great question. I had the former in mind, which would be harder to make balanced/fair every time, but it would be more interesting if you got it to work right. Although I could see modded scenarios with pre-written stories/plots as fun one-offs, which is what you said.

>>167849649
Ask non-American Mormons.
Some people are just gonna be that dumb.

>>167849408
I mean, they could have a fedora-mode where you just turn religion mechanics off. Or I guess have no religion be default, and at least have a Biblefag-mode that you can turn on.

>>167847834
>woman on the right still has a doll
Wow.

>>167849785
I live in Utah. I see enough of that shit, thank you very much.

>>167849223
Fair enough. But there aren't really mechanics that go with it, it's just kind of... a flavor of existence.

>>167843071
Just think of psionics as miracle-working

>>167849649
Maybe the religion beings a certain set of values which is good for your empire like increased productivity because its followers think doing work is seen as favourable by their deity.

>>167844157
>destroyers are bad
>implying destroyers aren't the ideal place to put the point defence so you can have more weapons on your cruisers and BBs.

>>167849750
>which would be harder to make balanced/fair every time, but it would be more interesting if you got it to work right.
Yeah, so long as nothing is outright impossible I think balance isn't that much of an issue. Having different challenges each time you load the mode would add natural replayability and be more fun, personally.
>which is what you said.
I'm getting uncontrollable giggles at how polite this is, you're an alright dude.
I guess with custom tailored scenarios, that's why I'd just be looking for a proper editor instead, since they would suffer from being "one-offs." Being able to produce and modify them on the fly would off-set that for me, I think; if I get bored of a particular scenario I can tweak it myself and see if I can make it interesting again.
>>167849884
If people getting milked wasn't enough of a tip off that shit was grim, there it is.
>>167849949
Try living in Australia and seeing Mormons going about.
It's a small percentage but that only begs the question of why that much more.
>>167850368
Like sikhs? Not a bad idea.
Roaming paladin species would be alright by me.

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Dyson Spheres looking to produce a cap of 200 energy a tick, and apparently costs 5k minerals and 100 influence to create a giant "fuck me harder daddy" sign to a given enemy. Wiz just sighs aggressively at anyone who tells him this makes it a worthless endeavor.

>>167850534
If paradox adds religion they shouldn't just leave it at the name or somethin every religion should have values whih give advantages and disatvantages.
Then the conversion wars and radicalist rebellions can start.
It could work really well with the upcoming factions.

>>167850743
5k minerals is nothing after mid game starts.
Also 200 energy is pretty good.
For me it equals 3-4 normal sized planets focusing on energy production.

>>167850834
While religion is an interesting concept for Stellaris, we should ask what Materialists get as a balance, or any of the other ethics.
Not every species is gonna be religious, but how would they keep up?

>>167851065
Materialists could get increased science bonusses because they are not held back thinking inside box behaviour.
Also they would have to combat religion in order to keep their population from converting to it which could lead to religois wars etc.

>>167850981
And then a Wraith walks in and blows your shit up. Or an AI decides to shoot it.

It's definitely a nice thing, but at that price tag (and the fact you sit on it like a Space Station the whole time it's building), 200EC is really underwhelming considering what's been posted.

And Wiz lamenting to his Reddit brigade is the icing on the cake here; making essays about how "nobody ever listens" because his in-progress numbers are being criticized.

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>>167849603
From a game-play standpoint, sure. Making different empires function in different ways makes them more distinct and interesting, similar to how ES does.

I am talking about roleplaying issues.

What if I want to create a Spiritualist empire that worships machines instead of space ghosts? It's already weird that Spiritualists can't build robots.
Maybe a Materialist empire that has figured out a way to give wizard powers to everyone through Science™? But magical powers only work if you really believe in magic, I suppose.

I expect mods to give more variety to this, at least.

>>167850018
I do at least the minimal amount of "pretending" in my head when I play stellaris - If I would play it just for mechanics then what would be the point - it's mediocre compared to other purely mechanical games.

>>167851406
>And then a Wraith walks in and blows your shit up. Or an AI decides to shoot it.
I don't think Dyson Spheres will be destructible. They seem something more like a complete overhaul of a system than a destructible space station.

Enemy empires will probably have to bombard them and invade them like regular planets.

>>167851802
>Invade a Dyson Sphere
>Invading something bigger than a sun
>Invading something that's mostly just collection plates
Well I suppose.
I think they'd have to be destructible but I can see why it'd be hard to balance it.
Would be a pretty brutal way to conquer the galaxy, building spheres, freezing all the planets in the system, dismantling spheres then moving on.

>Check thread for the first time since Civ VI released
>Everyone's playing Stellaris instead

What happened, did VI turn out to be such a blunder or did they actually make Stellaris not boring?

>>167850368
>>167849649
You'd allow it for the same reason you'd use other mechanically suboptimal policies: the ethics of your government/people/empires you want to befriend

>>167851065
Economic ideologies: libertarianism, state capitalism, interventionism, etc...

So you think the Unbidden come from the shroud?