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We don't have an official steam or discord group. If anyone posts in the thread about any "official" or not steam or discord groups, promising MP or not, be sure it's a shitposter group known for organizing raids and shitposting in the thread. They are known for false-flagging.
Report and ignore it.

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, February 1st:
481 – Vandal king Huneric organises a conference between Catholic and Arian bishops at Carthage.
1713 – The Kalabalik or Tumult in Bendery results from the Ottoman sultan's order that his unwelcome guest, King Charles XII of Sweden, be seized.
1864 – Second Schleswig War: Prussian forces crossed the border into Schleswig, starting the war.
1865 – President Abraham Lincoln signs the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.


>News
CK2 DD38 - My kingdom for an interface
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-38-my-kingdom-for-an-interface.995951/

EU4 - 24/01
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-24th-of-january-2017.996110/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive (mods only)
https://mega.nz/#F!plMxFYTB!sn9MTrvJ0tYjWSHgM8CZow

#Where to get these games
http://hastebin.com/raw/moqugasume

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[HoI4] - Après Moi, Le Déluge
http://www.moddb.com/mods/apres-moi-le-deluge

>>[CK2] - Anon Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#!PQgxyACD!bpcXXoWI3Pfu_PJ1_sz5D7wKYO2OStEWr_npgpw0B_w

>>[CK2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.6.1 - 27/11/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V10
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2]Africa Mod
http://pastebin.com/kyMpRZcQ

Old Thread >>167113310
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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>>167171307
Based.
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HoI4 is the best game in the HoI series and the best game paradox ever made.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't
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Rate my Europe.
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>>167171307
white and based
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Post liquor
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>>167171396
That's unironically eu4, lad. It's the gsg game with most fans and it's the most likable game of them all (thus being the best).
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>>167171575
Surprisingly good, except for Krakow and those two micro states near Romania
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I just started playing Victoria 2 so what are some good mods to play it with? HPM seems quite popular here but every time it's mentioned outside of /gsg/ everyone starts posting "liquoria" and so on.
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>>167171575
Also some interesting things around the world.
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>>167171626
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>>167171307
Absolutely based.
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>>167171726
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>>167171757
>ywN be as butthurt as the 13% of the eu4 steam reviewing community
How does it feel, lads?
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>>167171307
W&B
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>>167171575
>vojvodina split between Hungary and Romania
>Krakow, Galicia-Lodomeria, and Moldova exist
>that horrible Kurd-blob
>Libya not controlling Cyrenaica
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>>167171757
I can't even begin to tell you how little your opinion about mana means when clearly more people in fact enjoy EU4 despite of it. Maybe that just proves it even further, that even with mana EU4 is the best.
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>>167171757
>tfw someone posts your eu4 review
d'aw

>>167171891
africa
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>>167171972
>despite of it
to obvious
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>>167171297
Alright, just finished my first 33 hour game of EU4, here are some things I still don't understand:

>Best way to quickly increase colonial/trading ranges
>How to get more money from huge trade centers (if it was out of my territory I got less than .5 ducats/month)
>what the fuck is military line stuff and how do I win battles better
>are colonies more trouble than they're worth? should I just keep new continents in my own territory? I colonized australia by accident, I read the text box too fast
>Is there a way besides development score to tell if a territory is worth colonizing before sending a colonist there?
>If I pirate all the DLCs I can get them working on a steam copy, right?

I had a lot of fun, looking forward to doing europe/american nations next
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>>167171917
Hello is this the vapeman general?
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>>167172063
Oh, that's an old picture. I finished in about 1800 with 2500 score and took almost all of Malaya before the UK/Spanish/Portugese Bloc came at me with 200k troops
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>>167172058
You're implying I'm just baiting you, but I'm serious. Which game is the best is obviously a subjective matter. And therefore in order to claim one or the other as the better game, one would have to look at how many people enjoy one or the other game better. EU4 wins by a mile. Case closed, lad.
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>/cum/ "memes"
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>>167172051
You're a big goy.
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>I critique the memes of other generals
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>>167172598
All other generals are inferior to /gsg/.
We need a solution to these other generals.
A final solution
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Which country has the most based monarchs?
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>>167172771
Russia
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>>167172859
>Catherine the horsefucker
>Nicky the incompetent
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>Which country has the most based monarchs
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>>167172893
that's right comrade
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>>167172063
>>Best way to quickly increase colonial/trading ranges
Spam colonists, you need money to do it though. You can colonise as many places as you want at once, if you have the money. If not you have to do it like a pleb with one colony per colonist.
>>How to get more money from huge trade centers (if it was out of my territory I got less than .5 ducats/month)
You have to push it to a single CoT, with merchants pushing it there every step of the way, if that's not possible, say, the Ottomans own all of the Gulf of Aden then you have to push it as far as possible, so, from Canton to Goa. You get a big penalty for collecting out of your home node though.
>>what the fuck is military line stuff and how do I win battles better
You need a shittonne of military ideas if you want an army that isn't complete dog shit.
>>are colonies more trouble than they're worth? should I just keep new continents in my own territory? I colonized australia by accident, I read the text box too fast
Depends if they're upstream or not. Spain colonising the Caribbean makes sense, as that trade goes to Seville, but Brunei colonising Brazil doesn't.
>>Is there a way besides development score to tell if a territory is worth colonizing before sending a colonist there?
"No", just shoot at areas with CoTs if you want trade power there.
>>If I pirate all the DLCs I can get them working on a steam copy, right?
Yeah, watch out for Johan's piracy blocker though.
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>>167172525
Thanks, babe. I think that's a pretty a e s t h e t i c amount of games
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>>167173030
go to bed curtis
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Why does /gsg/ have so much shit posting?
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>>167173163
>Unironnically being a brit
fuck off
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>>167173000
>Spam colonists
yeah, late game I spammed colonists all the way to Easter Island to get a foothold on sudamerica
>You need a shittonne of military ideas
yeah I figured that out at the very end of the game
>Johan's piracy blocker
is this a meme

thanks for the advice
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>>167173213
Highest concentration of autists on 4chan
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>>167173246
>yeah, late game I spammed colonists all the way to Easter Island to get a foothold on sudamerica
South America doesn't really offer anything to you, as their trade goes to Brazil, then to Ivory coast or carib.
>yeah I figured that out at the very end of the game
It's strange how the (((AI))) always has a GOAT military, even with no ideas, techs, or anything.
>is this a meme
Are you kidding? You clearly don't remember when they locked all those accounts a few months/years ago.

>thanks for the advice
yw bbe
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>start war
>enemy has twice as many guys as I thought he would have
>lose

ebin
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>>167173421
>a few months/years ago.
I wasn't here :^)

I've used pirated DLC with the fallout games back in the day though

also, at the end when the nations of the world all attacked me at once for taking the shitty micronesian islands, they cut my morale in half as soon as the fight started, so even though I had more troops I still lost almost instantly

is that something I fucked up or is it some meme technology on their end that autowins your battles?
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>>167173426
>how do i used ledger???????
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>>167173584
>cheating
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when was the last time HPM came around?
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>>167173574
Morale is arguably the most important stat for winning battles, since it doesn't matter how strong your army is if it shatters in a week.

>>167173210
But mom it's only 2:30
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>>167173574
>I wasn't here :^)
>I've used pirated DLC with the fallout games back in the day though
Yeah, Paradox took a pretty hard line fairly recently, locking computers, taking down the archive, apparently if you have pirated content on your computer and are signed into steam it detects it, even if you're not using it with the game.

>also, at the end when the nations of the world all attacked me at once for taking the shitty micronesian islands, they cut my morale in half as soon as the fight started, so even though I had more troops I still lost almost instantly
>is that something I fucked up or is it some meme technology on their end that autowins your battles?
Were you forced marching? That fucks you up bad as it doesn't regenerate. If not it could be any number of things, the AI uses so much bullshit it's untrue.
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>>167173824
No, like I had full morale right before the battle
but then once the battle started my men were INSTANTLY at 50% morale

it was like 46k of my troops vs 27k of theirs and they fucking broke instantly
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>Aragon actually succeeding at a mass seizure of all major Tunisian ports without player help

wat de fug :DD
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>>167173918
Yeah, morale damage is a stat. If they have higher base morale and high morale damage they'll shatter your army before you can even do anything. There are various modifiers from ideas, policies, and making sure you're on the highest military tech that all affect stuff like that. France, for instance, gets a big morale boost from their Elan! tradition.
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>>167165356
>>167166361
>>167166810
>>167166901
>>167167271
Are you the absolutist UK player who asked AFPG for a flag? If so, you sound really desperate to blame the mod for you sucking ass.
>le 15 research points in 1891 face
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>>167173991
POST AUSTRAL PROFINCES
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>>167174059
Shit, alright thanks
I know so much more about the game than I did 30 hours ago, I can't wait to start a new one
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>>167174071
>reactionaries having an educated populace in a mod made by liberals
hmm
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Check out my comfy high chiefdom of Pruthenia

I murdered my silly liege and inherited all his titles, I murdered a vassal too so I now actually own all the land right now

Where do I go from here?
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>>167174203
you go back to the reply box and attach a file
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>>167174203
fugg

>>167174309
i had to wait like two minutes to make another post
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>>167173584
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*blocks your path*
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>>167171575
Shit score 3bh
t. Persiapro
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>>167174083
i must unite the Saxon people under one banner
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>>167174404
*pushes you aside*
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>>167174117
Also, another thing to keep in mind is combat width. By default it's 15, iirc, and basically that's how many regiments can actually be part of the battle at once. Artillery goes on the back row, so it has a separate width altogether, and provides damage reduction to your infantry. Having more artillery than your combat width does nothing for you, but having more infantry is helpful since they take the majority of the casualties in battles. Cavalry you only need as much as your flanking bonus, so 2/4/8/etc.

Also shock is your most important stat for pretty much the whole game.

>>167174423
Yeah, I basically ignored naval tech and intentionally did not research any of the prestige techs because I hate being a great power early due to just prestige.
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>>167174458
you better start conquering england so you can form gross anglo-saxoniums
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>>167174071
Not the anon complaining, my complaint's always been Jacobins. I have fucking slaves and I intentionally kept the education budget at like 50% to keep the populace more conservative. Its expected for my industry to fall behind a Lazy-Fairy Germany.
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>>167174538
it's funny because the Anglo-Saxon Empire is an easter egg nation
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we should delete this thread and try again some other time
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>>167174458
I mean the Australian provinces, someone posted the map here a couple of days ago and the provinces in Australia were made with a spray can tool, I want to see how they look in reality.
pls lad!
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>>167174749
Listen kid I'll post my research screen next time I play. Its not as good as I rushed for Revolution and Counterrevolution as I wanted to kill the Irish. Right now I'm playing a better game.

GTA5
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>>167174186
HPM didn't change shit all about ideologies in game and no one know his ideology either because he always refused to talk about it

That said, the idea of educated people in the 19th century being ok with a shithole without rights, during the era of liberalism, is ludicrous
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>>167174585
Sorry senpai
Post culture techs btw
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>>167174869
Have you tried LSPDFR?

>>167174887
>what is prussia
>what is britain until the 20th century
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>>167174967
Prussia started giving social rights to the populace to avoid mass emmigration to the US.
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>>167174967
>>what is prussia
Prussia was a constitutional monarchy with freedom of press and voting and full of social rights

>>what is britain until the 20th century
Literally the first country to have a parliament and even spearheaded abolition through the world. What the fuck are you talking about.
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>>167174887
see >>167174967
Plus Totalitarian Fascist and Communist states still get Jacobins. It's stupid. The 'Liberal supremacy' is overplayed considering the main liberal revolution, the German revolution of 1848, failed.

>>167174910
Will do when I'm back on the game.

>>167174967
Playing the low-rent version. Has much of the same, but you can also go vigilante and do story missions at the same time.

>>167175170
>>167175121
The Kaiser dismissed and appointed Chancellors as he willed. He directly ran the foreign policy of the country. Social rights, yes, I agree, another thing you should be able to do as reactionary and conservative. Give social rights in exchange for political ones.
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>>167175170
>Literally the first country to have a parliament
>having a parliament means you have rights
>north korea is a democracy
HMM
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>>167174309
The thumbnail of that gif

All I see is Alcase lorraine
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RATE MY EUROPE
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I really want El Dorado and Conquest of Paradise DLC, is there a dlc bundle that has both of these?

rn I'm thinking about https://www.kinguin.net/category/11037/europa-universalis-iv-2014-dlc-collection-steam-key/ plus El Dorado from somewhere else
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>>167175439
Another thing to note is that the voting system of the UK was FPTP. Jacobins are demanding proportional representation when the UK maintained FPTP up to the modern day. Another stupid thing in the game that HPM didn't fix. Can't be that hard-coded when fucking NWO fixed it.
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>>167175459
Where?
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>>167175381
>Playing the low-rent version. Has much of the same, but you can also go vigilante and do story missions at the same time.
What?

>>167175526
>nWo
>fixing anything
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>>167175535
The little dismayed ditto on the left is France, the big one on the right is Deutschland.
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>>167175598
>What?

We're talking about GTA5.
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>>167175505
eh

why not
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>>167175439
>>167175439
>literally had a constitution since a magna carta and a parliament with VOTING
>noo what a repressive government
stop pretending to be retarded

>>167175381
see >>167174967
For what, not a single valid example?

>Plus Totalitarian Fascist and Communist states still get Jacobins.
You get decisions to get totalitarian in the 20th century, in the 19th century that doesn't make sense

>the German revolution of 1848, failed.
>As an ideology and in practice liberalism became the preeminent reform movement in Europe during the 19th century
>literally all of non-shithole europe became liberal
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>>167175630
Horry shiet.
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>>167175505
>Mac
>No cheese.

0/10
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So there was a Great War and Japan (the leader) and the Ottomans lost but only Japan broke down their empire. Shouldn't that happen to the Ottomans as well?
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>>167175664
Yeah, I know, what do you mean low rent version? I only know the actual version.

>>167175721
>only men with property can vote
>women can't vote
>woah look at all this democracy lads this is like fucking ancient athens or some shit
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>>167174627
http://vocaroo.com/i/s148mFJ9NxGH
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>>167175813
Only if it gets assigned as a war goal, no? I'm not a Vicky pro
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>>167175908
>liberalism in the 19th century was about women voting
>wow the uk didn't let woman vote why my no meetings, no press, no voting, no political rights whatsoever shithole has all these educated people wanting voting rights that's totally the same think as women suffrage
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>>167172063
>How to get more money from huge trade centers (if it was out of my territory I got less than .5 ducats/month)
Collect where you have a majority or hopefully a monopoly. Transfer from trade nodes where you don't down the line to ones you do. Your pic for example, collecting in Malacca, your home node, yes, as well as in The Moluccas as you have (I assume) all the trade power there. Transfer the Chinese nodes to the Philippines and the Philippines to The Moluccas, as well as Australia. Trade value gets a 5%? value bonus when transferred.
>are colonies more trouble than they're worth? should I just keep new continents in my own territory? I colonized australia by accident, I read the text box too fast
Colonies are worth it imo. Good income bonus, +10 naval and +5 land force limits once they hit 10 province as well as an extra merchant and +5% global trade power
>Is there a way besides development score to tell if a territory is worth colonizing before sending a colonist there?
Generally everywhere's good, cause of free land. Focus near you, try to find provinces that, one you colonize block off a section so others can't touch it; you can come back to it once competition is gone for land other have access too.
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>>167176061
>focusing on a single element of my point rather than the entire thing to make your argument appear better
hmm
As you'd have been able to read, if you weren't illiterate, only property owning men had voting rights. Hardly the egalitarian bastion of democracy you make it out to be.
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>>167176209
>>focusing on a single element of my point rather than the entire thing to make your argument appear better
Your argument is that the UK didn't give women and some men couldn't vote so it was an absolutist shithole on par with russia

>Hardly the egalitarian bastion of democracy you make it out to be.
No, I said it wasn't a repressive shithole and that people had rights and a constitution. It was a constitutional monarchy and that's undeniable, no matter how much you try to nitpick. I never said it was 21th century standard. Nice strawman btw.
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>>167175721
The UK barely changed. Look at a list of Victorian era governments. The Liberal/Whig governments lasted only a few months to a couple of years. Conservatives on the other hand had decades in power.

Prussia remained a bastion of conservatism. It got a social welfare program which resulted in the populace supporting the Conservatives even more.

Liberalism is overplayed, meanwhile the Nationalism isn't. Somehow a non-Ottoman Turkey can keep hold of 60% of Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia with little issue. I'm not saying HPM has a bias, I like a lot of what he's done, I'm just saying rebellions, reforms, etc are hardly properly represented.

>>167175908
LSPD: Dangerous Individuals. Look it up on gta5-mods. It lacks a lot of LSPDFR's roleplaying elements but it is more flexible. I can get the Knight Rider mod and play as Michael "De Santa Townley" Knight shitting up bad guys, its great.

Pretty sad the GTA general barely discusses anything outside of online.

>>167176061
Yet Jacobins demand proportional representation, full voting rights, no draft etc all of which the UK didn't implement during the Victorian era. Shit, they're still using FPTP right now yet Jacobins can get that changed in Victoria II in the 19th century. Really makes me think.
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>>167174714
speckled borders are supposed to represent sparse settlement the further out into the Outback
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>>167176372
>The UK barely changed.
Because it was a constitutional monarchy already. Trying to use it as an example of a repressive government is one of the most retarded things I ever heard here.

>Prussia remained a bastion of conservatism.
And enacted extensive political and social reforms to appease the population, including a full constitution, voting and several other rights.

>Liberalism is overplayed, meanwhile the Nationalism isn't.
Have you even played the game?

>Yet Jacobins demand proportional representation, full voting rights
Wow that's surprising in the era of liberalism huh.

> all of which the UK didn't implement during the Victorian era.
Which doesn't mean it wasn't demanded or it wasn't possible. Besides everyone who complains abou jacobins isn't about giving full voting rights, they complain about their russia-level shithole having rebels.
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>>167176372
Huh, it sounds pretty cool, but I prefer the realism LSPDFR offers, less ebin shootouts and more tazing niggers.

>>167176370
The argument is about jacobins in V2, under which the populace will still revolt even if you only have "weighted wealth", which is what the UK had at the time, during which it had no revolutions.
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>>167176498
Huh, it looks okay. I thought it would look retarded with borders around every speckle.
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>>167176574
>they complain about their russia-level shithole having rebels.
Even with that, once I wipe out, easily might I add, several swarms of Jacobins, they still do it a few years later. I just keep killing and killing and killing and it does fuck all. Its just a boring wackamole game. It isn't that Jacobins are powerful (they aren't if you aren't shit) its just that they're annoying.
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>>167176578
>under which the populace will still revolt even if you only have "weighted wealth",
Yes, they want a full democracy.

>which is what the UK had at the time, during which it had no revolutions.
Which doesn't mean that other countries can't have it or wouldn't happen in the UK.

Let's be honest though, you aren't talking about the UK. You are talking about repressive shitholes, stop trying to nitpick this. See >>167174585 that spawned the whole thing.
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>>167176678
M&T has a great map, looks even better with the TOT graphical mod
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>>167175931
That doesn't make fucking sense. After the end of WWI the Ottomans had to break their empire. Are paradox developers that retarded.?
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k lads
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which one?
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the soviet union shall rise again
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>>167176695
>It isn't that Jacobins are powerful (they aren't if you aren't shit) its just that they're annoying.
This whole conversation is always about the same thing: people who want to have repressive shitholes and an educated population, a country that's leading technologically and with people that are majorly happy with living in a repressive shithole.
If they were stronger you'd complain the game is "railroading" you, if they were weaker you or someone else would complain they are "pointless".
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>>167177085
There's a CB named "Dismantle Nation/Empire", it's given for free against any nation you're in a Great War against as well as any GP you're at (any) war with. If the AI didn't use it, then it's their fault.
>Are paradox developers that retarded.?
Vanilla didn't even have that, Great Wars are nothing without mods.
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>>167176728
No, I agree repressive shitholes should have revolutions, like Russia did, but weighted wealth/other quasi democratic states shouldn't, as Britain and a dozen other Euro countries didn't.

>>167177252
Quantity or standing.
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>>167177281
>people who want to have repressive shitholes and an educated population, a country that's leading technologically and with people that are majorly happy with living in a repressive shithole.
Nope, I intentionally handicapped myself in my reactionary Britain to have a non-educated populace. Its also why I'm 2nd in industry, way behind liberal Germany. I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences to keeping your country reactionary, or making it one, I'm just saying the consequences shouldn't be boring Jacobin revolts 5 times a year.
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Alright I tried to do the vicky2 change nations every 10 years meme, but 1836-46 Persia is incredibly boring and nothing happens, so I'm rerolling.
1 UK
2 France
3 Russia
4. Austria
5. Prussia
6. Spain
7. Netherlands
8. Ottomemes
9. Two Sicillies
0. Serbia
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Is it possible to mod in a cbtype in victoria 2 so that you only take one province?
Just imagine the amount of border autism you could have with that.
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>>167177559
>Quantity and Standing
You want me to go for Grand Army instead of Professional Army?
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>>167177726
>cheating
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>>167177364
But every time I look at the "Add Wargoal" button it says we don't have enough score even though we're winning. What gives? Do I really have to use cheats to add that wargoal?
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R8 western front
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>>167177779
I don't know the difference as I don't play bloat mods, but yes. Yes I do.
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>>167177430
>did you save worst girl or nah
>worst girl
You're telling me you didn't?
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>>167177716
>changing countries mid save in victoria
that breaks the ai of the countries you used to rule
good luck with that buddy
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>>167177819
You need to have your own positive warscore, but all battles are counted for the war leader. The only way to prop up your own warscore when you're not the war leader is occupying provinces, specially capitals. Also blockading IIRC.
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>>167178291
Okay thanks.
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I have to congratulate paradox, EU4 is probably the most boring strategy game in existence.
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>>167178019
>"sista"

aaaaaaand dropped
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>>167177974
no one interested?
R8 eastern front
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>>167178629
HoI4 is a close second.
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BURGUNDY HAS RISEN AGAIN LIKE ZE PAST
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>4 fucking siege mana
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>>167179429
>new old burgundy
>new old
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>>167179429
>new old burgandy
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>>167179429
>new old burgundy
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>>167179678
>burgandy
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>>167179429
Should've formed it as Belgium. Kaiser Willy II offered Leopold to turn Belgium into a new giga-Burgundy composed of French and Dutch lands if he sided with him. Leopold asked him if he's on drugs or some shit and Willy got pissed and stormed off.
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>>167179938
Isn't that where he was so angry he wore his hat backwards for the rest of the meeting or something?
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>>167179534
>New Neyork
>New Nova Scotia
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>tfw some fucks from the University of Weimar translate the Quran but are too scared of translating the Bible
>Catholic Church 80% towards Protestant implosion

what do
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>>167179938
fucking leopold

that sounds great
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>>167179938
>Willy stormed off
no, Leopold was the one who was super angry and put his helmet on backwards
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>>167180101
>letting a littleman crown you
You know belgian colonies were better than German colonies at this point right?
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>>167179938
>Kaiser Willy II offered Leopold to turn Belgium into a new giga-Burgundy composed of French and Dutch lands if he sided with him.
Is Willy /ourguy/? Only a retard who browses /gsg/ could propose something like that.
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>>167180050
Yeah.

>>167180207
Oh, I forgot about it. It was awhile since I read the original one. I'd think someone around here has the full quote.
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>>167180207
He legitimately had autism so nay
>>>167103609
>austria should become catholic and kill themselves
Sure thing mang
>>167180231
see above above
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>playing meme start on ck2
>this happens 1 generation in
I wasnt even paying attention.
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>TFW shitting between shitposting
>TFW faeces smear looks like the German """""""Empire"""""""
>TFW there's a hair in it
>TFW one hair balder
I feel middleaged already
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>>167180573
well yeah you would have known if you read
HISTORY
I
S
T
O
R
Y
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>>167178074
>>167177716
Reloading the save fixes the AI. You got nothing to worry about.
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>tfw you get too many diplomatic allainces to stop Protestant rebels converting Catholic lands
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Is there any EUIV mod to get rid of distant foreign allies who don't actually contribute in wars? Or maybe something I can edit? I have no idea how people actually play this late game without using yesman to white peace away all your enemy's landlocked asian, south african, and american allies.
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>>167181538
M E I O U
E
I
O
U
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>>167181538
>EU4

I have no idea how people actually play this game without uninstalling.

Fixed that for you.

>>167181637
>slow ass shit

Suicide yourself.
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>>167181675
>I have no idea how people actually play this game without uninstalling
Best gsg game there is. Of course people will play it.
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>Turks BTFO of Europe once and for all
>Constantinople reclaimed
>Holy land reclaimed
>muh nostrum
Did I do good, lads?
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>>167181770
t. steamcordplaza
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>>167181637
Thanks
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Based Erdogan
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>>167182189
>t. Urk
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>>167182189
t.urk
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>>167182249
Turks are based
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ok how do I break through German Elsass-Lotharingen here >>167177974 ?
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La Plata
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>>167178074
I know that, just gotta reload the save.
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>>167182189
>>167182319
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>>167182560
>independed
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>>167180573
>denmark in sweden
>sweden in denmark

believeable worlds
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>>167182560
>independend state
t. suspension points
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>>167182614
>>167182695
>>167182702
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>>167181917
>no anatolia
shit nostrum
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>>167182380
Oh so apparently they built massive forts there, didn't check that.
Oh well through Trier it is.
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>>167182512
t. ranny
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>>167183096
f-fuck you!
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Can someone explain to me the difference between CAS and TAC in DH?
Is TAC just a in-between CAS and STR? Do they perform better in a specific mission than both the others?
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>>167183272
come back when you've got anatolia and iberia or don't come back at all
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>>167183419
b-but muh legions
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>>167171297
Do I restore the Empire's glory, and if yes, where do I start?
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>>167183462
legions mean nothing without proper conquests
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>>167182189
if Attaturk knew what Edrogan was doing to his country he'd be spinning in his grave
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>>167183505
You start by blobbing into Dutch and Belgium to match that Burgundy flag.
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>>167183505
sphere former FRCA, puppet colombia and mexico keep mexico gran, blob the holy land take treaty ports, the entirety of africa and the Americas is justified blobbing. Constantly update naval bases and build as many as possible to spam the fuck out of the scramble. Puppet or conquer portugal
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>29 May, 1453

looks like the Romans are doing better than OTL
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>>167183585
t. Kemalism pro
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>>167177716
I've never heard of that meme but it's a cool idea, I will try it with this post, last digit first
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What am I supposed to do with the HP NNM minimod? I can't load it alone, I can't load it together with base HPM, I don't know exactly which files to copy over. I just want to form Iberia please.
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>>167183542
The Celtic republic didn't fly so good..
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>>167183976
wew
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>le ban evasion maymay
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AFPG, if you're here, look how ebin this flag looks in game.
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>>167184526
>giga serbia
neat
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>>167183585
Let him spin with the rest of the deluded secularist cucks of the world

Kemalism is but a tiny, tiny step from (((civic nationalism)))
>>
What was the first thing Bismarck did for German citizens after the Franco-Prussian War?

First correct answer gets a prize.
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Once this truce is over the Reformed faith shall stay in Scotalnd
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>>167184742
gave them french lolis to rape?
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>>167184742
there was some massive school reform at some point
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>>167184742
united them under one kaiser
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>>167184742
Grossgermaniums
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>>167184526
Fight Serbia and Aragon to complete the Mare Nostrum. Borders are shit otherwise
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And I leave you tonight on this note
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>>167184803
>>167184850
>>167184950
>>167185184
All wrong!

The correct answer was Obamacare.
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>>167184623
I had to do something, the t*rks converted Bulgaria to Muslim, so I gave their western provinces to Serbia so they could remove kebab.

>>167185252
Serbia is my march and I have a truce with Aragon from when I took their coastal provinces.
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>>167184803
>>167184850
>>167184950
>>167185184
>all these meme answers
fags, the lot of you
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>>167185360
>reformed England
neat
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>>167185442
that first one isn't a meme lad
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>revolutionary ottomans
>not led by an ottoman

>>167185531
That land is slowly being converted to catholicism by the Celtic Union, but it's taking a long time because they fucking suck at defending themselves.
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>>167185628
>>167185442
Only the lolis were taken, not given
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>>167185714
>revolutionary Ottomans
>not just Turkish Republic

jesus christ

also what mod? Meow and Taxes?
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>>167186193
>what mod
aren't all countries in eu4 that succumb to revolutionary rebels just called "Revolutionary (country name)"?
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After 2 years of brutal campaigns that almost bankrupted the kingdom and made it an international pariah, Centroamerica is Carlist once more.
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How the fuck is he paying for this army? His army has literally been stuck here for 10 years, and I have no idea where he got it from to begin with, the ledger sugests he isn't paying a cent in upkeep.
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>>167186330
Yes.
Quality paradox coding
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>>167186428
Tribal army probably?
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>>167186428
Click on his face
Hover over the 2nd (?) row down on the right side of his character sheet
You'll see a breakdown of where his troops are coming from (demense/vassals/event).
If he's got 10k event, there you go.
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>>167186578
Tribal armys still have upkeep
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Conquering the West coast, should I make a new colonial nation or give it to Medicia?
If new, name my band, /gsg/.

>>167186193
No mod, it's entirely map mods, see >>167080142
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>>167186620
I'm pretty sure AI cheats with upkeep.
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>>167186637
Make a new colony.
Don't want Medicia getting uppity
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>>167186637
Make a new one. Give it a italian name though. Occidentale maybe
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>>167186754
>implying they haven't been uppity for the entire game
They keep going in to bankruptcy, if they want to make an example of themselves then so be it.

What should I call the new land? The general who is responsible for the ebin battles is Rodolfo Castagnaro, so I was thinking of calling it Castagnaria.
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>>167186978
That, or name it after the reigning king.
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>>167186637
Sempervirentia
Paese de la Sequoia
Paese dell'Orso
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>>167186897
>>167186978
This one
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England going through a massive revolt against the reigning Valois King, who is currently in a war against his French cousin, who is booting him out of Aquitaine.

I think England is going to have a new dynasty soon. Hail the House of Stratford?
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>>167187394
k
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>>167187394
what did he mean by this
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>>167187426
>>167187454
he wants (you)s lads
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>>167187074
>>167187087
>>167187146
Okay, so I gave Medicia California, because I want the new colony to have a nice climate, not be some barren desert full of Mexicans, Cascadia in itself is a nice name, and I'm going to give it all the land up to Alaska, so the name will either be Cascadia or Sempervirentia, cast your votes now.
>>
Are colonies technically worth it from a meta standpoint? I mean you lose 2 ducats per colony per month be generous and say its a decade for a colony to become a province its way slower early game and faster later. It costs 240 ducats per province or about 1200 ducats to make a colonial nations. And just as a quick check Spain makes about 10 ducats per colonial nation in the seven year start. So it takes 2 years per province for a colonial nation to pay for itself. And thats per province. Unless were talkin gold in which case its more like 300 ducats per year.
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>>167187573
Cascadia of course
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How do I HOI3?
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>>167187856
Like this
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>>167187689
Ignore the name, that was just the default, I renamed it Cascadia.
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>>167188093
Cascadia is much better than Oregon lad
>>
from the start of the game in ck2 My character was assassinated less than 5 years after hitting adulthood, until I got a game over because I massively output daughters.

how do I stop assassinations when my nigger king has 25 diplo anyways? Who the fuck is doing it
>>
>>167187646
Are you factoring in all the trade once from the trade power they give you to steer the new world dosh to your home node?
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>>167188263
You can't lad
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>>167187646
you get manpower from colonial nations and trade power. Also as a colony it's not a net loss either because it starts generating wealth before it even becomes a full province.

Essentially yes, the trade wealth you start to build, along with a vassal that sucks your dick implicitly is worth it.
>>
Alright its 1846, let's choose a new nation
I didn't do much stuff so far, other than going Carlist and bullying Morroco and Centroamerica. Managed to stay GP tho.
1. UK
2. France
3. Prussia
4. Russia
5. Austria
6. USA
7. Netherlands
8. Serbia
9. Belgium
0. Sweden
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>>167188446
Rolling
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>>167188446
What should my goals as US be?
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>>167188234
Here she is.
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>>167188624
54 40 or fight, blob into mexico. Only interesting things to do as US anyway
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>>167188624
Take Canada and Mexico, institute a fascist government and carry the save over to hoi3/4
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>>167188624
If playing legit. Win the mexican american war and take some canadian land. If going more meme set things up so that the CSA has the best chance possible and set America down the road towards dictatoriship.
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>>167188708
Beautiful tbqh. Now fix New Italy and its perfect.
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>>167188446
rolling
>>
I randomly found the page listing ever ruler in EU4. Here are the perfect rulers you know 6/6/6 in the game let me know if you agree.
>Henri IV France
>Takachika Mori
>Akbar I Mughals
>Friedrich II der Große Prussia
>Pyotr I Veliky Russia
>Gustav II Adolf Sweden
>Noriaki Uesugi
2 bonus facts are Friedrich is a perfect military ruler with perfect pips. And the ottomans have the most 0/0/0 rulers.
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HoI 3 is a horrible game that creates the illusion of complexity by relying on overwhelming micromanagement that provides no real benefits, change or more strategic options.

Darkest Hour is currently the best Hearts of Iron game out there, but HoI 4 will surpass it as more DLC comes out.

Prove me wrong.
>>
>this comment section
https://youtu.be/y0uSAXyqZfA
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>>167188757
>>167188763
>>167188832
Will try my best
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>>167189106
Only wrong part is DH will be surpassed. DH is the GOAT of Paradox games and they will never make a better one.
Inb4 steamcordplaza liquoria 2 memers
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I decided to experiment a bit with Victoria 2 modding, to get a better grasp of modding, and I've already run into issues.

I tried to find out whether I could remove all country tags but one, but I keep crashing at adapting history.

I've removed all but the Morocco and rebels in common/countries, I've removed all tags in countries.txt except those two, removed all country_colors.txt except Morocco, and removed all decisions and events, and removed the non-start bookmark.

In history I've removed all but Morocco and rebels in countries, removed all files in diplomacy and wars, changed all provinces to be Moroccan (and produce only grain, incidentally), and removed all OOB except for Morocco and rebels, which both are just empty files to avoid relation references to tags that don't exist.

I can't for the life of me figure out why it crashes at adapting history. What am I missing? Is it making references to tags somewhere else that I don't know about?
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>>167189513
Call me naive but I still dare to hope. Compare EU4 on release date (objectively inferior to EU3) to EU4 today (pretty good, better than EU3). Perhaps some good DLC (and not shit like Together for Victory that makes you pay to request lend lease and get some focus trees fanmodders could've done for free) it might surpass DH.

Though my ideal hearts of iron game would have
>The diplomacy/faction system of HoI 3 (except with the ability to eventually switch faction leaders, it makes no sense for Britain to lead the allies in 1944 for example)
>Everything else from Darkest Hour
>Modern/updated graphics, interface and hotkeys
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>>167186428
You don't even know how to look up anyone's army composition.
Go play EUIV, even CK2 is too hard for you.

See >>167186606
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Where can I download Arms, Armistice and Revolutions? It's not in any of the OP links.
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Decide for me /gsg/
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>>167190602
I vote
>buy a keyboard that has a fucking "printscreen" key.
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>>167190840
But I have one, Im just to lazy to switch between vicky, paint and internet just to post a shitty screengrab
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>>167191054
>Im just to lazy to switch between vicky, paint and internet
>vicky, paint and internet
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>>167191054
>It's the Slovene discordfaggot trying to shitpost
epic
reminder
>>
tfw no updated voltaires nightmare
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>>167191054
Hurr wut is puush????
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>>167191054
Holy shit, slovenia is so poor you had to put a keyboard on your keyboard.

I can see why she married him tbqh
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>>167191054
F12 -> upload image

What the fuck is this paint shit you're on about?
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>>167190840
>>167191054
>>167191220
Don't you just press f11, go to screenshot folder and open screenshot file, open in paint, save as .png and then upload?
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>>167192181
I just print and paste.
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>>167192237
It's like Columbia herself is pouring the cake batter in the mold.
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I only have 2% craftsmen in united provinces and I'm already this strong
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>>167183585
Ataturk's mission was to turn Muslims into Europeans. It was doomed from the start.
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>>167192593
I think it's a little bit more complex than that, though you're right at the same time. He tried to introduce secularism into Islam, as if it were Christianity.

Secularism isn't just something bright 18th century fedora tippers made up, it's inherrent to Christian doctrine. Jesus (who never held any kind of political office) stated to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's. Paul wrote extensively about what separates the profane from the divine. On the other hand the Qu'ran, dictated by Muhammad (who in addition to being a prophet was also a warlord and a ruler), has an extensive legal code attached to it detailing crime, punishment, how to declare war, how to levy taxes, how to govern et cetera. Islam is in that way a 'totalitarian' religion. It cannot be secularized by its very nature, and Atatürk's mistake was simply copying the Christian model.

It's not about Muslims, it's about the very nature of Islam itself. Though I guess that's a problem in more than one fields. If all Algerians turned Catholic overnight, every single problem France has with its immigrants would disappear and the Algerians would just be yet another Mediterranean immigrant group like the Spanish, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks that live in France.
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>>167192237
Reminder that Quebec was offered statehood and a part in the revolutionary war but they refused to be the 14th colony. This justifies Americans to hate the Quebecois, not only for being arrogant Frenchies but for denying the honor of becoming part of these United States.
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>>167193215
Admission into the USA would mean the death of the Quebecois culture and national idea. I am glad they refused.
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>>167193151
Islam's only real strength is that it engenders this massive sheep mentality where all Muslims just go along with what the books says absolutely, never questioning it. It turns them into a dumb horde to be used by its rules as a conquering and culture replacement force. Muslims never convert away from Islam.
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>>167193215
1. They're not French
2. Even if they were this would justify it even less. I know Americans don't know their own history, but they should at the very least know to whom they owe their independence.
3. Quebec mostly refused to join because America was incredibly anti-Catholic and the British, for all their faults, tolerated Catholocism in North America.

The Americans were backwards even then. Another example of this is the Americans only abolishing slavery half a century after most of Europe did. "Land of the free" amirite?
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>>167192593
Even the Russians failed.
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>>167193542
>Quebecois culture
>Good
That said, being part of the USA doesn't erase your local culture. Just look at the South, which still is its own thing culturally. Louisana especially is a good example, due to all the Frenchy influence.

>They're not French
With the way they talk and their obsessive desire to become a French colony again, you wouldn't think so.
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>>167193587
France hasn't done a single thing for America since the Revolutionary war.
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>>167193597
Cossak genocide when?
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>>167191376
1. That picture is taken out of context you nigger whore, it's about the game POWER
2. How de fugg do you know my computer?
>>167191568
Screenshots are saved as .bmp
>>167191501
Yes I'm poor, send aid for better computer plox
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I'm almost 20 industry score ahead of japan

I guess we learned from the british in our brief time under them
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>>167193817
>France hasn't done a single thing for America since ALLOWING IT TO EXIST
Sure thing m8.

You know, I'd actually appreciate it if the Americans stopped pretending to have valid reasons to hate France.
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>>167193703
>Louisiana
>the state where the Cajun French dialect/language is dying off due to outsiders moving in and no state support

same thing would have happened to Quebec
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>mfw
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>>167194016
>Sending a shitty statue.
Wow, like that matters. Is that all you have?

Anon, the French decided to start shitting on Americans right after the war. Calling them inferior and innately stupid. These ideas have continued to the modern day, and the French still think this way of Americans.

Hell France wasn't even the first country to recognize the US as a nation. It was fucking Morocco.
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>>167194042
They're losing a creole language. So what? Creole languages are trash.
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>>167193875
We can tell by your slovenian milk
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>>167194559
Creoles are just young languages. English is a mongrel as I'm sure you know. All languages are to some extent, although I suppose there are some minor languages with very little outside influences.
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>>167194443
Moroccans are really nice guys.
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>>167194732
Creoles are corrupted abominations of proper languages. They should be eradicated just like lower class dialects such as Ebonics.
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>>167194754
I've never met one, but they're Muslims so they're probably scum.
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>>167194754
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>>167194443
>first country to recognize the US as a nation. It was fucking Morocco.
I went to Morocco as an American and everyone (in the tourism industry at least) would not let me forget it. They really wanted to prove that Moroccans aren't terrorists, are pro-America, etc. I guess it paid off because Trump will still allow them into the US.

>>167194929
They're on the very western edge of the muslim world though, so they aren't really like the extremely crazy muslims in arabia or whatever.
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>>167194862
Nope. Completely inaccurate.
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>>167194754
they have very sexy women too
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Which v2 mod should I play? I value overall improvement to the game and not too concerned about historical accuracy.
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>>167194862
English is the most corrupted abomination of a language to ever be spoken. All monolingual anglophones speakers should be genocided asap to be honest
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>>167195031
That's my impression of them. With all the shit that went down this years, I don't think I've seen Morocco involved in some way. Apart from the subsaharan refugees maybe.


A cool thing is that the first thing that the US did was to attack the maghreb in the barbary wars and later bomb the shit out of it in the invasion of the maghreb in wwii
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>>167194559
What I`m saying is that, if Quebec were to become a part of the US back in the 18/19th century, then the French language in Quebec would have been stamped out of existence.

I don't like that.
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>>167189080
My best king so far was a 4/6/5 Hapsburg king called Alexander, in his reign I began the conquering of the balkans, many a tech was discovered and we got ready for war with the Swiss.
Can you post the best Austrian heirs you can get
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>>167193151
Well spoken. True and justefied Islamophobia.
I hate that modern SJW's have convinced people that Islamophobia=racism.
Hell I'm a leftist and I hate islam. I never understood why liberals should tolerate such a reactionary religion and ideology.
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>>167195140
>Defending Ebonics.

>>167195304
This is yet another thing we can blame on France. Without them, English would be pure just like other Germanic languages.
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>>167195327
Morocco just rejoined the African Union this week. Until then they were the only country in Africa not to be a member. I wonder if that will change anything about their stability or whatever.

Probably not though because Morocco has a strong monarchy which seems to be an extremely important factor in the stability of a muslim country.

>>167195416
Never could have happened because of Catholicism.
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House of Valois-Plantagenet BTFO

House of Stratford IN
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>>167195140
nice argument
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>>167195531
Ebonics isn't a language or a creole dumbshit

Or do you think "praise kek I BTFO'd you" constitutes speaking a new language too?

>>167195602
I'm not making an argument. I don't need to argue something pr
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CK2 question here
What are the best obligations to enact as an Italian King in CK2? I figure tax focus for burghers and levy focus for nobles, but is there a general consensus on what is the "best set" of obligations
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>>167194754
>Moroccan troops fought with US marines during ww1
neat they are bros
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>>167195540
>Never could have happened because of Catholicism.
Judaic Cuckstianity strikes again!
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>>167195764
>defense of a language is bad

anglos everyone, destroyer of culture
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>>167195668
nice argument
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>>167184228
Not bad, looking good.

By the way, I'm here now. Flags I was requested yesterday that I'll do today:
-Pagan Canada
-Pagan Mexico
-Pagan Sweden
-Angevin Union

Feel free to request more to be done either tonight or tomorrow.
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>>167195668
>Ebonics isn't a language or a creole dumbshit
Notice how my post said that dialects such as ebonics should be purged too?
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>>167196006
Monarchist and Liberal German Congo flags
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>>167196006
>Angevin Union

pick your poison
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>>167195031
Morocco has never exported terrorists or refugees to the US, so there's really no reason to block immigration from there.
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>>167195828
If Quebec was under Trump rule, the recent shooting would never have happened.
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>>167196069
You are such an idiot. It sounds like you think you know something about linguistics even though I can see you have clearly never even opened a book on this subject.

You would have to pay me to educate you on this subject.
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>>167194929
>these are the flyover-state basement dwelling NEETs who post on /pol/ about muh mudslimes but have never actually met one before
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>>167196136
Right you are, I'll add it to my mental list.

>>167196165
I'll find a way to make it look decent, don't worry.
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>>167196006
I understand I said there was no rush, but have you started that skull flag for zombiemod yet?
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>>167195540
>African Union
>Wants to turn Africa into one country.
Man North Africa REALLY wants to get genetically enriched don't they? They'd be selling out their countries to become blacklands.
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>>167196263
i'd rather a shooting than the death of a culture
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>>167195540
>Morocco has a strong monarchy which seems to be an extremely important factor in the stability of a muslim country
that's probably why Jordan is still a decent place
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>>167196452
>death of a culture

Trudeau will take care of that soon enough.
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>>167195416
There's nothing good about French.
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>>167195518
Those in power want to combine Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, and all of North and South America into a single cultural and economic bloc. Islamic countries won't stop being Islamic and they work for cheap, so it's within their interests to flood western countries with them as slave labor while normalizing Islam. Perhaps eventually making it the cultural sphere's religion and using it as another control tool.
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>>167196450
Pan-africanism in the AU was driven by Gaddafi's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, not by black-majority countries.


Literally just don't weigh in if you don't know even the first basic fact about a topic
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>>167196374
Could you make some flags for an Imperial Federation? I was going to fix up an old mod I made where you could form it as the UK with a bit of new late game flavour for them. Realistically they probably would've kept the Union flag for it but I think the possibility for something new was there.
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>>167196726
Notice how I said North Africans wanted to get genetically enriched? That implies they were supporting it. Libya is in North Africa, anon, in case you forgot.
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>>167196489
That's what I was referring to when I said "seems to be extremely important"
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>>167196815
i know i was agreeing with you
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>>167196327
I live on the coast and there are like three Muslims in my classes this semester.
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>>167196928
stop fucking agreeing with me retard
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>>167196726
Most North African countries have low birthrates compared to Sub-Saharan African countries with their 4-7 child per woman. It wouldn't be Sub-Saharan Africa that'd be colonized in such a situation. Well, not by the Arabs/Berbers at least. They're getting colonized by the Chinese.
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>>167196802
North African Arabs wanted to basically colonize the rest of Africa, not the other way around. This is such bullshit.

Obviously the jews secretly control muslims and want them to get BLACKED because they have some kind of fetish for BBC, right?

>>167196928
No prob, I was just confirming that Jordan is like the textbook case
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>>167197195
>No prob, I was just confirming that Jordan is like the textbook case
yeah Jordan and morocco are all that's left along with the UAE.
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>>167197195
>North African Arabs wanted to basically colonize the rest of Africa, not the other way around. This is such bullshit.
See >>167197051

I don't buy into the jew memes, I'm talking demographic numbers.
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>>167196714
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>>167197536
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>>167197536
Do you think Merkel is accepting every refugee with open arms out of the kindness of her shrunken, East German heart? The basic idea is to use refugees the same way business pay human traffickers to get/point Mexicans to the US. Cheap labor.
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>>167197334
>>167197195
Aren't the Saudis also a monarchy, more or less (The House of Saud)? Of course they're a shit hole because of Wahhabism but still.
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>>167197912
Yes, they are 100% a monarchy and that is one of the reasons they are still allowed into the US
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>>167197912
>Of course they're a shit hole because of Wahhabism but still.
yes they are a monarchy but they follow crazy islam
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>>167193559
>If all Algerians turned Catholic overnight, every single problem France has with its immigrants would disappear
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>>167198273
>implying Europe is still religious

"If all Algerians became secular overnight and had little care for their religion, then things wouldn't be as bad as it is right now."
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>>167197912
>Based Arabia
>Shithole
*respectfully disagrees with you*
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>>167198637
>Based
>Fundamentalist Islam
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>>167199154
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>>167199265
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OH GOD NO
This is what i get for going Protestant i guess
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>>167199235
There's more to a culture than money. Otherwise California wouldn't be full of crazy, worthless fucks.
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>>167199389
>>167199416
>/pol/cucks are this triggered
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>>167199118
>>167199265
>tfw unironically only play Germany and Grossboeriums because that's my heritage.
I honestly think Germany and Boers are the fucking best and everyone else can go and get gassed.
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>>167199265
>Serbs
>Germanic
Your shitpost is factually incorrect.
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>>167199501
>redditcucks triggered enough to make the retarded memes in the first place
>making opposite memes is being "triggered"
rolls the ole' walnut
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>>167199428
>Not blobbing into any German culture territory.
Good on you, Anon. There's plenty of Slavs to eat instead.
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i inherited the Duchy of Pomerania

should I begin my naval heritage?
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>>167199576
Those "reddit" memes are actually funny tho. The opposite ones only exist because right wing manchildren (like you) got triggered.
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>>167184708
(((civic nationalism))) in turn is just a step away from national socialism
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>>167196746
>giving representation to B**rs
Dirty dumb Afrikaner scum.
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>>167199643
Convert to Islam for no reason like they did in my game.
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yeehaw
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>>167199757
>The opposite ones only exist because right wing manchildren (like you) got triggered.
>Implying the originals don't exist for just the same reason
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>>167199757
>unironically using the word triggered

jesus fuck this meme has been around for 3 years and it hasn't been funny for the last 2
stop saying it
think up something original

even fucking "butthurt" and its thousand variants are a better choice at this point
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>>167199936
>Namibia
>Being rightfully a part of South Afrika
heh, nice meme you got there kiddo
*tips pickelhaube and walks away*
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>>167200663
>being THIS rectally vexed.
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>>167200898
better
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>Getting triggered over the word triggered
I too think it's a massively overused meme and join you in your crusade of diction
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>>167200881
You mean South AfriCa, lad. It's rightful Anglo land, praise Rhodes.
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Who is the main character in history?
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Why would I do this?
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>>167201069
The whites. Everyone esle are NPCs.
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>>167201069
The white man. We are at this part atm.
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>>167201069
Adolf Hitler
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>>167201139
Because they lose cores on you. Ally Russia and press it.
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>>167201139
Makes KuK fuck off
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>>167201045
>praise Rhodes
>Meanwhile (((Britin))) and the rest of the *nglo world boycotted Rhodesia and SA and were in general absolutely buttblasted by them for the entirety of White independent rule
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>>167199912
That's why they're good tools to take that intermediate step.
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>>167196396
Ah shit, I haven't but I will, likely not today but before the week ends I should be able to have it.

>>167196746
I'll see if something comes up in my mind.
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>>167201298
>>167201338
Austria has no cores on me and Hungary doesn't even exist.
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>>167199757
>>167199757
>Those "reddit" memes are actually funny tho
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>>167201413
>ZOG britain
>at all related to the pre WW2 Britain
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>>167199912
No it isn't
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>>167201592
Reminder that if FDR had died to his polio the US might have come down on the side of the Nazis.
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>HPMemers will unironically defend the existence of dozens of Kangdoms cluttering up Africa at game start
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>>167201592
>the daily mail
lel
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>>167201709
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>>167201723
I'd play vanilla if it had more than 2 events.
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>>167201592
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>>167201592
>He thinks WW2 changed anything fundamental about >Great (((Shittain)))
heh, nice meme there kiddo *tips Balfour declaration*
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>>167188446
US -> S-P
Roll
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>>167201848
>no joke about how reading small text can kill you

cmon onion
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>>167201778
It's pretty shocking when you look at the amount of German support that had been going on in the US. Really shows that 45% German blood they had.
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>>167201948
Reeeminder
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>>167201848
They could have been running that same headline since last November
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>>167201939
they can't all be great
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>>167202091
Nixon was based, that act is fucking awful
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>>167202002
>when antibiotics stop working all the disableds and inferiors will die and there is NOTHING leftists can do to stop it
Feels good, lads. *cough*
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>>167202193
he was indeed
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>>167202239
>tfw you have a weak immune system
That said I'm a Native American mutt so most of that sort won't give a shit.
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If you get truggered over /pol/ or /pol/-like thought then why are you here

>bideogames
fucking lmao since when has this general been about that, try another argument
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Absolute mad cunt, in one battle as well.
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>>167201069
Germany. No, really.
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>>167201709
How would that work?
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>>167202665
>How would that work?
The US would keep selling oil to Japan and team up with Germany, and so Britain and China would get viciously fucked in the ass. Then there would be a bitter war with the Soviet Union. The exact outcome there is harder to predict, but it's likely they'd just stalemate it after they'd driven the Soviets out of Poland rather than try and take the whole thing over. Moscow is likely to have been nuked to fuck, though.
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>>167202509
>Blacuck Ice
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>>167202818
Would being in a subway save you from a nuke?
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>>167203047
Most of them would have collapsed.
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>>167201069
>>167202564
>>167201268
>>167201259
>>167201182
>Not Der Juden
It's Sad But True.
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>>167203307
Feels good being the main character desu.
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>>167202880
You should keep your mouth shut if you don't have any clue.
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>>167203427
>nigger water below 0°c
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>>167203527
It's almost like it's not BlackIce.
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>>167201723
But then how would I conquer warri
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>>167203853
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>>167203853
>aytch pee-pee
>>
are we being treeded?
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>>167204059
>>167204059
hey bud can you not be autistic for a half-second?
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>>167203990
I'll deck you, cunt.
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>>167203990
bud check the name
this guy is from the most raped nation on earth
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I don't care what any of you think! I love HOI4 there i said it. It is the best game out there. I love you HOI4
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What the fuck is going on here?
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>>167204454
GRABS YOUR COCK!! Mmm...just like Austria and Hungary
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>>167204580
shitposters
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>>167204454
>>167204318
>>167204248
I like this keep going
>>
So does anyone use the ck2 to eu4 converter?
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mmm janitors are really going at it today. good
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>>167204846
Unless you want every country being broken up into 3 pieces, not being able to use mods, and having Y25 declare war on Z00 then you dont use it.
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proof german were japanese we wuz kangs
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Rate this fucking mess
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>>167205987
How on earth did the Turks do so well after having a revolution?
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Is Norseanon for whom I made this yesterday here? I finished the Canadian, Mexican and Swedish flags you wanted.

I'll proceed to do the Angevin one now.
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>>167205987
Post Asia map you memer
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>>167206160
by being white and based
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>>167206453
t. Erdogan poster
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>>167206296
Nothing new or intersting has happened
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>>167206595
post it faggot
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lads what should my username be for paradoxforums
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>>167206676
Noah_Cucksson
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>>167206676
Fletcher O'Brien

>>167205987
disgusting
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>>167206648
Look at my earlier posts its literally the same
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>>167206648
So US is already a Fascist country even before Fascism exist.
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>>167206676
Alberto Barbosa
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>>167206837
nice english you illiterate
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>>167206208
Make me a flag for Cascadia, i wont use it, just kidding, of course I will. if I convert to Vicky which i wont
>>167187573
>>167188093
>>167188708
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BTFO
T
F
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>>167207350
>researching naval techs while your economy is in the shitter
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>>167206737
>Not liking the German Zanzibar-SudwestAfrikums land connection
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>>167207581
but my economy isn't. I've just been mass building armies and ships
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r8 my india
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>>167207695
>negative for the past month
>not shit
k
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>>167207707
>no sea access
>prestige cheating
horrible, shit even
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>>167207863
I have rich taxes at 0% and middle class taxes at 50% and poor taxes at 80% and tariffs at 0%, and all the spending sliders maxed out. It only goes into the negative when I'm buying up stockpile. I was building over 20 ships (whose needed goods were in high demand at the time) so it drove me into the negative.
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>>167207948
>prestige cheating
>cheating
k
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>>167207661
>british octopus
>danish congo
>hobyo, goddamn hobyo, independent
its shit lad, pure shit
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>>167208102
Hobyo is based
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>>167208095
>cheating at the easiest paradox game
lol

>>167208065
>moving the goal posts
k
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>>167208219
wtf are you talking about nigger, my economy WOULD be in the positive if I raised the taxes but I didn't so I could build shit. now tell me how I have a "shit economy"???
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>>167208065
>>167208303
why are you not taxing the rich you filthy an lib
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>>167208370
I thought that taxing the rich made it harder for the capitalists to build railroads and factories...am I mistaken? Besides taxing the poor gives me way more money.
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>>167208549
republicucks ACTUALLY believe this, they actually do
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>>167208102
>british octopus
believable worlds
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>>167196396
How do you like this? Should I make the laurels actually be green? Although having them brownish and dead seems logical all things considered.
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>>167208742
not even that far from reality desu
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>>167208707
We are talking about game and not real world, dipshit.
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>>167208842
Like it so far, but is there any chance you could remove the laurels? In game it will look like the skull has a head of hair.
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>>167206648
>tfw read the first 3 lines and didn't realize this wasn't a pro fascism poster
For a brief moment it made me think that it might be a good idea to rethink my political beliefs desu almost
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>>167208842
lad
>>167207321
If you want some backstory, the region was colonised entirely by Castille, before they collapsed, then it declared independence as California and Pacifico Norte, two areas that initially cooperated but then turned on each other and due to this easily got conquered by 90K Italian troops. The entire area was set to be delegated to Cascadia but they refused the south (California) for being worthless and home to nothing but pathetic mockeries of man and subhumans, so the great republic of Cascadia, still nominally under the empire of Italy was declared, stretching from Alaska down to Oregon and then into the Idaho mountain ranges, though Tuscan settlers are moving further and further in land, possibly aiming to take the Yukon.
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>>167208707
we're talking about vic2 here lad
plus when it comes to economy I'm pretty moderate
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>>167209391
>>167208934
baited for this exact response
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>>167208997
How's this? I'm no photoshop artist so I did as best as I could to remove the laurels somehow.

>>167209305
Oh I thought you weren't being serious since you said you wouldn't use it. So you want that for Vicky or EU4? Also so I get it completely, it's basically an Italian Cascadia, right?
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How do I edit POPs/whatever else in a save file?
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?members/yeehawlad.1179138/

rate my account
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>>167209584
i-i wont i just want to see what it would look like because i like flags
It's essentially 100% Castillian, but the primary culture is Italian, so I imagine a nice blend of muh cascadia, Italiums and Spainiums, posibly a tricolour of green yellow and red with a nice seal with ome beavers and trees in the centre.
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>>167209792
You must be logged in to do that./10
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>>167209792
You must be logged in to do that./10
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>>167209832
>because i like flags
I'll do it just because of that. I'll try to think of a good way to incorporate both cultures.
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>>167209584
Very nice, thank you so much for all the work you've done with this and the Babist stuff, means a lot.
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r8 europ
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>>167210026
No problem, that's what I'm here for.
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>>167210129
No Nis/10
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>>167209604
Please
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Does anyone else find using the terms "uncivilized"/"primitive" probelmatic? Those were great powers on their own, not just the whites
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>>167209604
>>167210280
Step 1: Open file
Step 2: Edit pops however you want

What's the problem?
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>>167210329
But that's what all the civilized nations considered others at the time. It's historically accurate
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>>167210359
Step 1

How?
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>>167209305
Ok so I got a flag of inspiration and came up with this.

Instead of using the awful tree from the Cascadian flag, I decided to use a related symbol: a fir cone, which represents how the Cascadian "nation" hasn't grown fully [into a tree] yet and is still in a colonial/embrionic state, like a fir cone.

The design of the flag came to me when I saw the modern flag of Tuscany, and decided to go with a similar design since you mentioned Tuscan settlers.

The colours however are of Spanish inspiration, which you could probably tell quite easily.

What do you think? I think it's a simple design, but that's what makes it look neat.
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>>167210756
There's no real Italian influence in there, other than that it's good.
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>>167210937
>There's no real Italian influence in there
Culturally you could say the same about your Cascadia ;^)
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>>167210994
Yeah, but glorious white settlers from Tuscany moved there, bringing Renaissance, bringing enlightenment, bringing constitutional monarchy, just all round being absolutely terrific. The Castillians lost because they were weak and we're going to fix that.
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>>167210614
Please
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>>167211238
go to Documents>Paradox Interactive>Victoria 2>[mod folder if applicable]>save games

not sure if it's different with Steam, never used it
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>>167211504
Yes but how do I open the .v2 files?
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>>167210614
>>167211238
>>167211608
Use Notepad++
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>>167206208
SHEEEEEEEIT
Where are the flags?

t. Norseanon
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>>167211969
Well, for Sweden I decided to go with Freyr, one of the main Gods of the Norse pantheon, and also a God who has a special relationship with Sweden specifically since apparently some Royal House of Sweden is said to be descendants from Freyr or something like that.

I divided this flag in two. On the left side you got Freyr's rune (according to the light google search I did on the matter) and on the right you got Gullinbursti, the shining boar made by the dwarves that Freyr rides.
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>>167211671
Thank you very much lad, have this Willy as payment.
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>>167211969
I thought I HAD to use Thor's Mjolnir somewhere since it's one of the few well known Norse symbols out there, so I decided to use it for Mexico since from all the places you requested flags for, Mexico is the one most prone to thunderstorms and cataclismic weather events Thor may have a hand in.

The gold represents the new found land of Mexico, the white the old, snowy land of Scotland and Sweden, and the blue represents the ocean between the two. Mjolnir in the middle, with the white same as the European land, represents the new faith being brought to the natives.
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>>167211969
And finally, for Canada, since I figured it would be one of the first discovered lands, and in fact they were irl by the norse, I decided to use what in my pack I use for facist Scandinavia: the Raven Banner, which the Vikings used for their ships, and thus, would probably be the first flag used in Canadian territory by the first conquerors who would reach such places.
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>>167212128
Lad, if it doesn't take up too much of your time can you mke me a flag for my New Italy, if it formed the USA? You see, they all have too much liberty desore, so I plan to release one to make it more manageable, and as New Italy is the most retarded of them all (lost to rebels thrice, declared bankruptcy a dozen time and yet still has 70%+ liberty desire, because if being that 'successful' doesn't say "we can thrive as an independent nation" i don't know what does) they will probably be the one released.

Demographically they're a bit more diverse, they're roughly 40% Italian, from the colonised areas, 30% Scottish/British, >>167019646, from the land I took from GB and 30% native. All these things combined plus murica should inspire you. still wont use the flag though
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>>167212826
Should I make it in EU4 dimensions?
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>>167212413
>>167212269
>>167212128
Mother of Christ these are absolutely fucking perfect, holy shit, thanks AFPG
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So Karloman is pretty much fucked when it comes to the Saxon wars after the Conclave changes. I generated a shitton of threat from pressing my claim to West Francia.
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>>167212927
Really glad you like them, anon.
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>>167212921
No, as I still won't use it.
nuthin personnel, kid, I just have autism about changing files. It's not that I don't know shat to do or how to put it back correctly I just don't want to meddle.
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>>167212826
Are you gonna port this to Vicky 2 anon?
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>>167213216
You are missing half the fun of it, lad, specially for someone who likes flags.
Whenever I play a run of Vicky, I modify as many flags as I can to accomodate to the oddities of my playthrough. It makes it so much more colourful.
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Excellent
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>>167213317
Nah, because you cant play it with based HPM. I'd want the reforms, colonial NFs and such it adds.

>>167213324
Yeah, but that requires you to either:
make a mod
or
Change the vanilla files
Neither of which I want to do.
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>>167213208
Thank you, familia.
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>>167213486
Merely changing the vanilla flag files, and if you don't already do that, either by playing with HPM which is like 3 flag pack versions behind by now or installing my flag pack pls use my pack, then you are doing yourself a huge disservice.
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>>167212971
Frankish generals too stronk
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>>167213716
Hahahaha epic Franciareichiums my friend!
enjoy yourself
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>>167213387
How?
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>>167213665
I already told you I don't change the vanilla files, because an untouched vanilla game is like a virgin, once you break the hymen you can't get it back how it was. Sure, you can put the original flags back in but it just won't ever be the same, ever. It's permanently soiled.

I once made a "mod" that consisted of adding a single fucking flag to the game, because I was too autistic to mess with the vanilla files. It would have been far easier to simply put it in and put the original file on my deaktop or whatever, but I chose not to, I chose to do it the retarded way, because I will NEVER mess with the vanilla files.
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>>167213861
Just doing it for the achievement. Won't bother posting any more unless something interesting happens.
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>>167213893
My newfound save editing powers laddo
2/3rds of them got shoah'd instantly because pops can't ever go above 2 million
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>>167213927
That's some impressive autism, lad.
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>>167214056
Thank you, I'm also the lad that sperges when anyone chnageowners.
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>>167213927
Well, I guess everyone here has their quirks.
In any case, it's hightime I go to sleep, so if you really want that flag, I can make it tomorrow.

Good night, /gsg/.
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>>167213927
Why not just make a copy of the game directory? Where's your virginal data now?

>>167214121
Well, changeowner is cheating, so I'm with you on that. It's up to every individual whether he wants to cheat or not, but there's no point in lying to yourself about what you are doing.
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>>167214334
Sleep tight bby
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>>167214334
I should simply lie to you about wanting to use the flags, thus giving you motivation to make them.
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How to fix?
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>>167214539
I was really tired anyway and sucha complex flag would have taken way more time than energy I had left good night for real
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>>167214363
>Why not just make a copy of the game directory? Where's your virginal data now?
Do you know how long that takes?
clones of virgins arent virgins anyway as they're tainted by the sin of duplication
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>>167214608
Your Castillian flag was shit anyway.
the castillians are slaves of their italian masters in muh cascadia
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>>167214024
For what purpose?
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>>167214629
>Do you know how long that takes?
Like 30 seconds on Linux, dunno about Windos
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>>167214768
f-fuck you
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>>167207707
>My Sore
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>>167214841
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>167214815
Linux is fast as fuck even if you don't stick to CLI and doesn't botnet
To be honest if DX12 actually dies in favor of Vulkan I might just not install Windows on my next rig
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>>167214629
It takes a couple minutes. I've done it a few times before.

Obviously you leave the "virgin" files alone and just modify the copies! The game has no DRM and will run just fine from a copy.
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tfw the great war will never end
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>>167215087
>black tar colored faction in Africa
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>>167215087
>It's another Anglos vs all of Europe episode
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>>167215010
I'm talking about EU4 here, the V2 version would be more than simple to change, because when it converts it makes a "mod" that is the converted game, so I'd just change that.

I could deliberately lose EU4 in 1815~, lose all the colonies and then make a mod complete with events and shit, but nobody would play it because playing with other peoples' games is also a sin

But as I say, I don't want to do that because I couldn't play with muh HPM so I'd lose out on the reforms, the colonial NFs, the punitive expeditions, the nerfed liquor and the ebin congo event.
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>>167215330
Place HPM into your mod and just mod and adapt accordingly
It's what i'm doing with my autistic norse mod
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>>167215295
>and they win
>THRICE
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>>167215442
>all that shit for a hundred years of watching my based conservative italiums empiriums turn into a shitlibs vs socialists republic
"No"
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>>167214753
Memes
that was just a test tb h
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>>167215569
>implying you won't crush the liberals and socialists and form an authoritarian fascist empire that will unify europe through a series of intimidation tactics and swift annexations
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>>167215330
Oh. I've never even played EU4 so maybe it's fucked up in yet another way I'm just learning about.

It's trivial to do what I described in Victoria as you say, but maybe not in EU4.
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Peking
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>for some inexplicable reason Prussia forces France to liberate an independent nation of Elsass instead of just fucking France up
>actually managed to win the Austro-Prussian War and even blob into Silesia to contain Prussia
>puppeted Sardinia-Piedmost and working on fucking up Two Sicilies
Holy shit this game might actually work out ok, I thought Austria was doomed for sure. What are my next steps now? How do I get to form the Danubian Federation, do I have to be Austria-Hungary first? Or should I just form a Gross-Grossgermanium?
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>>167215775
I did that once in V2 and got 0wned, pwned, and BTF0'd due to:
No literacy
Constant 9+ militancy
Constant 10 conciousness
Constant revolts from a fifth of my people and one brigade out of every perfectly arranged 30,000 stack F-FUCK YOU VICKY TWO streamlined casual pleb vicky3 when?
Less than 5 million pops from all the genocide and lack of techs.

The game can only be played as a cuckboi simulator, if you try to choose anything but gross soc-democratiums you get memed on.
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>>167216351
>tfw that's really true
Once i tried to manage an absolute monarchy as the German Empire
All those jacobins, jesus fucking christ.
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>>167216489
Memers say that you can simply choose to keep your pops illiterate and they won't revolt, but that isn't true. Hence Russia getting rekt by revolutions every game in the 19th century.
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>>167199501
>throw shit memes out of nowhere
>get them thrown back
>WOW TRIGGERED JUST LIKE THE SJWS ARE SEE THEY THE SAME
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>>167216335
>Or should I just form a Gross-Grossgermanium?
You've already blobbed into North German lands
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>>167217150
>silesia
>north german
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>>167217682
Yes
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>>167216335
So I definitely shouldn't take the Austria-Hungary compromise decision right? I guess it would be convenient just to have more accepted cultures, but I assume doing so will fuck up all the SGF and Germany decisions?
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>>167218098
ye
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>>167216351
>>167216489
Heh. Reactionary Britain anon here. This is why you cheat, and you cheat fucking hard. Of course handicap yourself a bit, all that rebellion suppression should leave you with a lower literacy to represent you're keeping your people indoctrinated.

nomilnocon = {
global_pop_militancy_modifier = -99999999.9999999
global_pop_consciousness_modifier = -99999999.9999999
icon = 13
}

Add this into event_modifiers, write a decision to add it.

Thank me later. Heh, nothing personal Johan.
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>>167219336
Though if a modder pro tells me how to make it so this only happens for your core provinces, but colonies still get nationalist rebellions, I'd be grateful.
>>
yeehaw
>>
yeehaw
>>
As long as we're on the topic of modding for the sake of memes, does anyone know if I can make a province modifier which increases pop growth for accepted cultures and decreases it for non accepted?
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>>167219336
>cheating
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>>167219684
Vickymod had it. I think its still in the archive so you can just go fetch the modifier, decision and event from that.
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>>167219774
Awesome, I can do a satisfying south africums
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>>167219774
Redditor vickymod or rob vickymod?
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>>167220068
Both I think?
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I-I'm scared, guys.
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>>167220592
Your whole Europe is fucked, lad
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What are your boos, /gsg/?

I'm a bit of a Byzzyboo myself, but I also like Zoroastrian Persia and the Emirate of Cordoba
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>>167221121
Playingwise or culturally/ideologically?
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>>167221185
Either or, m8
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>>167221241
Playingwise I kinda got a soft spot recently for Pagan Lithuanians/Prussians in vanilla CK2.
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>>167221121
>Emirate of Cordoba
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>167220592
>grob seljuklariums :DDDD
>Byzantines have Crimea and Southern Italy but lost Constantinople
>Holy Roman blob
>Norman England
>that eastern Europe
>having Subharan Africa memes enabled
Might as well nuke it, Europe is doomed
>>
>>167221121
same, but I'd say Persia in general. good taste m8
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>>167221426
rip
>>
YEEHAW
>>
There is literally nothing wrong with the emirate of cordoba
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>>167221396
>only civilized and progressive Muslim nation in history
>beacon of culture and technology for its time
>tolerant and inclusive unlike Catholic inquisition cucks
>somehow = t. reddit
topwew
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>>167221121
Bit of an Ameriboo and Frankboo myself, which is considering I'm a huge Russophile in real life. I just can't play Russia in Vicky II for example because my autism kicks in that I can't zoom out to see my entire empire. Then there's the whole industrialization factor when I like playing easymode on that. Had an easier time industrializing as Spain than Russia so gave up.
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>>167219336
>nomilnocon = { global_pop_militancy_modifier = -99999999.9999999 global_pop_consciousness_modifier = -99999999.9999999 icon = 13}
You know like -0.2 would do the job perfectly fine right?
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h-hows it going /gsg/
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>>167221852
Do you also know how to make it so it only affects core states? Colonial rebellions make sense, Jacobin ones after I've killed like 40 of them don't.
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>>167221637
>Bit of an Ameriboo and Frankboo myself, which is considering I'm a huge Russophile in real life.
You literally can't get more faggy, pleb-tier, or reddit than this, I mean holy shit.
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>>167222249
This.
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>>167222249
>>167222315
>I support some obscure special snowflake minority state!

kys
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>>167221121
Yugoslavia
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>>167222170
Make an event that is triggered when there is an owned province that is your core does not have the meme modifier, and the effect is that all owned core provinces gain the meme modifier.
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>>167221540
>he actually fell for the "cordoba and ottomans were real secular and progressive" meme
My apologies, I should have linked you to >>>/his/.
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>>167222346
>Pole-free MegaGroßGermaniums
>An obscure special snowflake minority state.
heh, nice meme you got there kiddo
*tips pickelhaube and walks away*
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>>167222604
I thought the question was what kind of boo are you BESIDES a Germanboo.

*tips picklehaube back respectfully*
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>>167222730
The original post does not mention Germany, mein ladde.
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>>167215479
I'm not even joking, that could be the street slogan for all her street fighters, you included. They would try to say it ironically, and then you get the football lads to boom in defiant vast crowds when the EU tries to meme on Britain

>MUMMY MAY, MAKE EUROPE PAY

>>167221121
>Zoroastrian Persia

MUCH I HAVE SUFFERED IN THESE THIRTY YEARS

I HATH RECIEVED THE AJAM WITH MY VERSE

I WILL NOT DIE, BUT ALIVE IN THIS WORLD

FOR I HAVE SPREAD THE SEED OF THE WORD

WHOMSOEVER HAS SENSE, PATH, AND FAITH

AFTER MY DEATH, SHALL SEND ME PRAISE
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>>167221121
It honestly is just easier to list the cultures/countries I don't boo for, as I support literally every other.
This isn't in any order of hatred, as I despise them all equally, as in, I would happily see every single one of them stricken from the planet.

Poles: They have held Germany back for millenia, stealing their land, being un-industrious slav shits, their entire country is a wredk right up to the modern day, with their national motto being "invest in eastern poland" due to how terrible they are.

Ireland: Pretty obvious, whilst England, Scotland, and Wales were producing some of the greatest technological achievements of all time the Irish were being swarthy potato fetishist papists and holding back progress, then they proceeded to launch a "revolution" just as Britain was busy with WW1. Whats more is they claim this was popular when in fact it was a bunch of terrorists who most of Ireland hated, as evidenced by the civil war shortly after this "popular revolt".

Israel/Jews: Stole Arab land, using chicanery and subterfuge, continues to string the entire west into it's evil plans to achieve complete control over the middle east and the world, these rats are a pestilence on civilisation.

ANC/ZAPU-PF/African communists: systematically destroyed any sort of prosperity Africa ever enjoyed, dooming their people under the guise of liberation, without these Africa would today enjoy European standards of life, but they chose to be retarded instead.

Belgium: This is solely about the "state", I have nothing against Flems or Waloons, infact they're two of my boos, but Belgium is a complete fucking non-country, no, It's not a le funny farage meme, it's a fact. There is no such thing as "belgian culture" or a belgian nation, they're two distinct culture groups merged, this isn't like Switzerland where the people gradually adopted their own culture, this is just two countries stapled together.


I love every other culture but these abominations need to stop.
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>>167222858
>/gsg/
>not being a Prussiaboo by default

Have to point out though, Prussia is my favourite state of Germanium. Austria and Bavaria is beer and incest. Prussen is what actually gave Germany POWER.
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>>167222969
I listen to Erika every night.
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>>167222928
>I love every other culture
>pooinloos
>K*rds
>Aborigines
>Azerbejains
>Bosnians
>Magyarshits
>"""""""""native""""""""" Americans not counting Incans and Aztecs they were ok
>fucking pooinloos
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>>167223359
>pooinloos
They literally do not have a culture.
>K*rds
You mean Persians, and yes I do love Persians.
>Aborigines
Again, no culture
>Azerbejains
They're just T*rks, and belong on the steppe with the other T*rks.
>Bosnians
Just need to be converted back to Orthodoxy.
>Magyarshits
Hello, Gypo.
>"""""""""native""""""""" Americans
They got gassed by disease anyway.
>fucking pooinloos
They were pretty good when they were subservient to the British.
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>>167223359
>>K*rds
t. urk

Consider suicide, Islam is cancer - Trump is the answer.
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>>167221121
I'm kinda a guy who easily influenced. Right now I'm Sovietboos and Serboo. Last year I'm a Prussia/Naziboo. But I'm have been Sovietboo since I finish highschool.
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>>167222928
>Arab land
The Levant wasn't 'Arab land' until the Arab invasions where they genocided/raped the natives there. The only Arab land is the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula, the endless shitty deserts with all the oil.
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>>167222928
>this is just two countries stapled together.
Then why don't they make their own countries?
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>>167223583
>Just need to be converted back to Orthodoxy.
Muslims never convert. An Islamic population is a lost population. Just sic the Serbs on them and get it over with.
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>>167224098
>oy vey remember the 6 million palestine should be jewish goyim
hmm
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>>167224098
>The Levant wasn't 'Arab land'
So who lived there?

>Europe wasn't 'european land' until the european invasions where they genocided/raped the natives there. The only European land is in africa.
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Rate my run as the Ottoman Empire.
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>>167224302
>>167224352
Jews aren't the only Levantine peoples, anon. There's also the Samaritans and the Caananites, other such people who had existed past and present when Islam invaded.
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>>167224289
>what is spain
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>>167224358
Get out of Europe.

>>167224382
The Moriscoes were driven into North African, anon. Not converted.
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>>167224369
"Islam" doesn't mean "arab". We are talking about arabs. If the samaritans and caananites convert to islam that doesn't make them arabs.
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>>167224426
Morisco is the term for Muslims that converted to Christianity. They were still exiled from Iberia though.
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>>167223359
>"""""""""native""""""""" Americans
Is the implication that they weren't here before modern Americans or that modern Americans have culture? Both are wrong.
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I'm hoping this is the place to ask but I was trying to mod my Victoria II game with HPM, War of the Worlds, Victoria Ultimate and the rebooted, and Victoria!
My problem is that only HPM works, the others don't get past the load screen. Some stop on the map sprites so I tried a cache clear but it didn't resolve it.

>>167224358
EU III/IV?
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I'm a tribal pagan and I have come to own a fucking castle that I don't want

"wrong holding type" my ass

Is there any way to change it back into a tribe?
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>>167224498
>'Converted' to Christianity
>Ran to North Africa
So they turned back Muslim immediately. Not a true conversion.
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>>167224552
Victoria 2.
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>>167224358
See >>167224426

I don't mind Ottomans keeping the Middle East together, they'd be better than the faggots over there right now, but the reason the Balkans are a shithole is because of the Ottomans' mismanagement, their random repopulations and brainwashing of the local palace and setting up arbitrary borders. Yugoslavia didn't help much either with its """""(((((Macedonia))))))"""""" (basically Bulgarians, same as Belarus and Ukraine are pretty much Russians)
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>>167224452
>"Islam" doesn't mean "arab". We are talking about arabs. If the samaritans and caananites convert to islam that doesn't make them arabs.
Two important points for you.

1. Those natives weren't Arabs in the first place.

2. Islam is packaged with a concept of Pan-Arabism. Lots of push for everyone who is Muslim to consider themselves Arab exists in the Islamic community. There are even countries in South East Asia that are dealing with this, and you fucking know those aren't Arabs.
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>>167224671
>1. Those natives weren't Arabs in the first place.
And when they converting to Islam didn't make them arab. So when Islam spread there they ddin't automagically become arabs.

>2. Islam is packaged with a concept of Pan-Arabism.
You know shit about Islam.
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>>167224571
No, you must destroy it.
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>>167224603
A shitton better than I have ever done but I always get fucked by infamy. And I can't seem to keep up with the AI in an arms race even when they're uncivilised. Tried an african run and I couldn't keep up with the enemies because they kept rebuilding their armies to 10~13. And it was a tiny one like Oyo that had over 25 constantly, little fuckers.
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>>167224606
>e reason the Balkans are a shithole
Is because it's full of slavs that can't run a country and prefer instead to blame other people for their problems. Like third-world shitholes in africa/america that blame european colonialism for being shit.
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>>167171307
white
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>>167224763
>And when they converting to Islam didn't make them arab.
No, that was all the rape.

However, you're barking up the wrong tree regardless. Because my posts talking about them? Are in reply to >>167222928 , who called it Arab land.

>You know shit about Islam.
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/stop-aping-arabs-johor-sultan-tells-malays
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>>167224848
>War of the Worlds
Nope, Balkans were European countries. Prospering even, Ottomans fucked everything up. Europeans actually developed Africa and turned it from a tribal shithole. Us Europeans and you Mudslimes are not the same, Turk.
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>>167224773
How do I do that?

There doesn't seem to be anything I can click on to make the thing go away
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>do everything i can to make enlightment spawn on me
>it spawns in fucking Siak, on the island of Sumatra
>not fullfilling ANY of the requirements of it

if the anon from yday is here, could you explain? what the actual fuck
>16 development
>no uni
>sultanate
>shitty ruler

I dont know how to defend this Johan, fix your game.
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>>167224585
>'Converted' to Christianity

I'll give you that one but they didn't run anywhere, they were forcibly exiled from Iberia by the Christian kingdoms.
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>>167225013
>no your case of "shithole filled with people that can't manage a country" is the fault of the people there, mine is totally the fault of the colonizer unlike all these other cases
The cognitive-dissonance.
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>>167224978
ironic, Johor was the province it spawn, small world!
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>>167225153
It spawn?
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>>167225023
right click
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>>167225064
Because they were still Arabs, and the Iberians did not trust them to stay Christian. And they didn't.
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>>167225194
spawned*
>>167225060
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>>167224978
>No, that was all the rape.
Converting to a faith isn't raping them. Much like the jews and the arabs, the people who lived there were semitic. When they converted to islam they didn't stop being semitic, the iranians didn't become arab when they converted either.

>using modern news about the increase of conservatism in islam that inevitably leads to comparisons with wahhabi saudi arabia to try and say it's "muh pan arabism"
Yes because iranians and central asia are completely arabic. Because the hijab and all the religious rules mean you are becoming an arab, not because it's in the religion or anything.
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>>167221540
You got any evidence for this propagnada son?
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>>167225279
I might be retarded but there is no "burn this down" button

I revoked someone's title so it's not the county capital anymore and I created a new vassal
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>>167225335
>Converting to a faith isn't raping them.
No shit. I'm saying they also raped them. You're the only one conflating the two, Muzzie.
>Much like the jews and the arabs, the people who lived there were semitic.
And? You're doing the equivalent of saying Slavs are Germans.
>>167225335
Here's an article responding to him. They directly say being Arab is important to Islam:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/335069

>Yes because iranians and central asia are completely arabic.
There was a long time push for the Iranians to become Arabic and consider themselves so. It was only later that they started to reinforce their Persian identity and reject Pan-Arabism. You see a similar push in Egypt and elsewhere in North Africa.
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>>167225335
What's with you guys and your hair fetish?
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>>167225616
>And? You're doing the equivalent of saying Slavs are Germans.
No retard, you are the one saying slavs are germans because nazi germany invaded a lot of slav lands.

They aren't different peoples, there's no magic barrier that separates them. Even the phoenicians, one of the most widespread peoples of the levant, came from somewhere in the arabic peninsula.

>According to the Persians best informed in history, the Phoenicians began the quarrel. These people, who had formerly dwelt on the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria ...
>The Greek historian Strabo believed that the Phoenicians originated from Bahrain. Herodotus also believed that the homeland of the Phoenicians was Bahrain

And that was centuries before islam was born.

Try to understand that nomadic peoples hailing from a desert that forge a vast empire based on religion can't suddenly change the genetic make up of a large area.
You know shit about genetics, the spread of faith or conquests. It's like talking to a 12-year-old.


>>167225616
>They directly say being Arab is important to Islam:
>There is no question of turning the society into an Arab one
You even read what you quote?

>There was a long time push for the Iranians to become Arabic
No, there wasn't. You are pulling shit out of your ass because you can't see the difference between religion and culture in Islam.
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>>167225616
>You see a similar push in Egypt
Egyptians are literally arabic. Way to go retard.
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>>167225907
>No retard, you are the one saying slavs are germans because nazi germany invaded a lot of slav lands.
Depends how much rape they got up to. If they had killed most of the men and raped most of the women, then they'd make them German.

>They aren't different people
So races and ethnicities don't exist anymore. Wrong place for this argument, Ahkmed.

>From the Arabian Peninsula
Which wasn't called that until the Arabs invaded from its southern portion.

>Bahrain
Bahrain is on the opposite side of a desert, senpai. There's no telling what kind of people lived there in ancient times. The Sahara, for example, did a pretty good job of keeping North Africa from getting blacked.

>Can't suddenly change the genetic make up of a large area.
They can with rape. Mass rape happened all the fucking time in wars back then. Hell, did you know Ethiopians have 60% Caucasoid DNA? Did you know it's been identified to come from mainly male sources originating in the Arabian Peninsula? Guess what that implies senpai?

>You even read what you quote?
They're expressing the idea that Malaysian culture needs to become an Arabic one in response to Islam. Read the whole thing.

>No there wasn't.
Neat sources senpai.

>>167225956
The Ancient Egyptians were Berbers. Modern Egyptians are Berber/Arab crosses. Regardless, my point? Was that modern Egypt has something of a push to reject an Arab identity.
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>>167225907
You didn't answer me about your hair fetish. You think women need to war ugly hijabs because otherwise men will be driven wild with lust. That's weird.
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>>167226179
You seem unable to differentiate the concept of religious-change by conquest and a change in the genetic make up. Here, let me educate you.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry

>The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

>were similar enough to reveal that the men must have had common ancestors within the past several thousand years.
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>>167226179
>Which wasn't called that until the Arabs invaded from its southern portion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula
>During the Hellenistic period, the area was known as Arabia
You sure know history anon.
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>>167225956
das right

befo da arab conquests n sheet they wuz black
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>>167226179
>They can with rape. Mass rape happened all the fucking time in wars back then. Hell, did you know Ethiopians have 60% Caucasoid DNA? Did you know it's been identified to come from mainly male sources originating in the Arabian Peninsula? Guess what that implies senpai?
Nice sources senpai.
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>>167226281
>You seem unable to differentiate the concept of religious-change by conquest and a change in the genetic make up.
Conquest is the operative word. Both of these, in the ancient world, generally involved conquest. And when your army roles into the city? They raze it, they kill the men, and they rape the women. That was SOP for the longest time. Ever wonder why East Germans have more slav in them? Because of the USSR raping any woman they could get their hands on.

You seem to be actively and vociferously in denial about your precious Arabs raping people like fucking everyone did back then. What's up with that? They're fucking raping people now, you think they didn't do so to people they conquered in a war?

>Common ancestors within the past several thousand years.
Thousands of years is a long time when talking about ethnicities. The fucking Indo-European ethnic complex has recent ancestry within several thousand years, and do you really think a lily white nordic is the same as a poo?

>>167226339
Whoopsy! Better argument then is that the term wasn't applied solely to the Arabic ethnicity until modern times.

>>167226430
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11685208

Unless you want source on rape.
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>>167190440
AAR is called The Grand Campaign since it got NWO added to it. Get it at the paradox forum. You don't need an account to go in the darkest hour subforum.
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>>167226615
>literally ignoring the science that says they are mostly the same people with different religions

How about you give some reliable sources to back your fringe theories.
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>>167226684
>Ignoring the science
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just telling you that common ancestry 'within several thousand years' is not as significant as you think.
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>4 year old child
>"attractive"

gee johan
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>>167226739
>I'm not ignoring it.
Yes you are. To support your black-and-white, invasor/aggressor view of history you simply ignore all evidence that people in the Levant and arabia mostly share a common origin and continued to share that after the spread of religion.
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>>167171396
>line simulator
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>>167226615
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1168520
>Population genetic structure of variable drug response.
>a study on specific genes and drug response means that "Ethiopians have 60% Caucasoid DNA"
Look lad, the paper you sent says shit all about what you are claiming. The closest thing you have is

>Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the
first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians

Which is hardly all caucasoids and speaks more of a common semitic origin, which is nothing new at all considering beta israel. Even worse, it's talking about drug-metabolizing enzymes, not common origin and doesn't say shit all about migration from arabia. The word "arab" doesn't even appear on the text.

The authors even say
>We have not attempted to provide a definitive description of human population structure
>statistical difficulties may arise when assessing convergence, and the assessment of the appropriate value of K is currently not rigorous
>These and other issues can lead to anomalous outcomes


Are you literally unable to understand a paper or did you just take this from /pol/ and took it at face value?
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how do matrilineal marriages work in ck2? I'm playing as the petty kingdom of breizh and my heir is my cathar daughter. will no one accept my marriage offer?
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Does anyone know how to get the Mythos mod working with the current version of CK2? In the steam workshop the author says he updated it to make it compatible with the Reaper's due but with it active whenever I click on extended buildings for forts, hospitals and trading posts the game force closes.

Alternatively does anyone know what mods let you destroy a holding outright whenever you want? The only reason I use mythos is because playing as a dragon gives you the option to burn down holdings you control.
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>>167221121
In terms of gameplay I like the Latin Empire and post-1081 Byzantine.

Ideologically and spiritually, I like any of the Carolingian states, post-1337 France, and Crusader Jerusalem.

I did a Zoroastrian Persia run once. Although I only managed to form the kingdom, not the empire. It was satisfying but hard as a bitch.
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>be small Lithuanian top chief
>14 years old
>the actual fucking Pope comes to explain Jesus to me

So I should sacrifice this man to my mighty thunder god, right?
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>when a million people die for the throne of a OPM
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>>167226798
>I'm going to tell you what you're saying because I can't formulate an argument?
Arabs were conquerors. Conquerors rape. End of story.

>People in the Levant and Arabia share a common origin
So do Indians and whites. Indians are white. There is a distinction.
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>>167226878
There are multiple studies into the subject. I provided you one. This isn't an essay and this isn't a citation page.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21522/abstract

This one is specifically about the Arabs.
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yeehaw
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>>167227547
Sorry, I meant to say pre-1337 France
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>>167172063
>>How to get more money from huge trade centers (if it was out of my territory I got less than .5 ducats/month)
Take control of a Trade Node which only goes into 1 other trade node.
Then collect trade in the first trade node.

So Persia+Aleppo, or Zanzibar+South Africa.

The reason you want to do that is because if you only control persia, then the guys in Aleppo will get a ton of free trade power from "Traders downstream" and siphon off the trade in persia.
If you have both Aleppo and Persia your trade is fairly safe in Persia, while in Aleppo the guys in alexandria and constantiople would siphon off the trade.

>>167173000
>>>Is there a way besides development score to tell if a territory is worth colonizing before sending a colonist there?
>"No", just shoot at areas with CoTs if you want trade power there.
You can also the chances for trade goods in areas.

more important if your capitol is in the americas and you're after gold though
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>>167227835
>I provided you one
You provided nothing. What you did is a gross misrepresentation of study related to drug resistance and clustering of populations based on that. It's some nazi-soviet tier fact spinning coupled with straight out fiction.

Let's analyze claim by claim

>did you know Ethiopians have 60% Caucasoid DNA?
This is what you claim. What the study says is:

>Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians

What the study is saying here is that 62% of the ethiopians in the study (n = 48) were grouped together with norwegians, jews and armenians in accord to a few specific genes that dictate drug resistance. They were grouped together by a blind program.

>We used a model-based clustering method implemented by the program STRUCTURE to assign individuals to subclusters on the basis of these genetic data, ignoring their actual population affiliations.

What this REALLY means is not that ethiopians have "60% european DNA", what it means is that 62% of the 48 ethiopians they analyzed share some chromossomes that dictate their drug-metabolizing enzymes with the others in the group. Saying they share "60% of their DNA" with europeans is simply a lack of reading comprehension.

> Did you know it's been identified to come from mainly male sources originating in the Arabian Peninsula?
Not only the paper says shit all about arabs or men in general, the studied chromosome (X) is only materially passed, meaning they couldn't even identify it as "Male sources" even if they wanted. Jesus christ.

In short: your "source" has shit all to do with what you claim. If you believe that it has something to do with it, you are either a) misrepresenting for the purposes to "win" an argument or b) just plain dumb.
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>>167228224
>Spinning
You have no idea how haplogroups work. Good job on not understanding the subject.
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>>167173584
It's more fun to play with locked ledger and learn how to guesstimate the opponents strength.

Gloss over their ideas, take a look at their development
Development/3=rough base manpower.
250 times that for an estimate of their manpower before modifiers.
Then take their manpower modifiers into account and their autonomy into account.
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>>167227769
>Arabs were conquerors. Conquerors rape. End of story.
>repeatedly debunked for every claim, from "wasn't called that until the Arabs invaded from its southern portion" to "ethiopians have 60% of european genes"
>tries to reduce the argument to the minimum that he can defend
Now you are just moving the goalposts. Your "Conquerors rape" is still unsubstantiated. What's the scale of rape? What's the impact? Where's the source?

You are just pulling shit out of your ass to justify your prejudices at this point.

>So do Indians and whites. Indians are white. There is a distinction.
Nice sources senpai.
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>>167227668
Is he kind?

If so, you should let him go. I mean the fucking Pope came. And came with a pure heart.
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>>167227668
it depends. are you rping as savage religious zealots? or are you tolerant?

or if you arent rping, do you need the money? if not; OFF WITH HIS HEAD
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redpill me on liquor
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>>167228285
>repeatedly debunked
Your emotional appeals are 'debunking'. Learn to argument. Usage of such terms implies you've provided some kind of well sourced thesis.
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>>167228406
>>167228301
My ancestors will greatly appreciate this sacrifice!

stupid pope
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>>167228285
Also, what's with you dumbfucks thinking 'Caucasoid' is European? People from the fucking Somalis, to Indians, to Central Asians, to Europeans, to yes, Arabs, are all Caucasoid. Caucasoid =/= Caucasian, stupid fuck.
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>>167228261
>You have no idea how haplogroups work
The ethiopian study doesn't make a single mention of haplogroups. It's not about haplogroups, in fact. It's about clustering people together based on their DME, something they do based on a few chromosomes.

You have no idea how genetics work. What you are doing is just misinterpreting data.

Let me give you a better example of what you are trying to do now.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3085481
87% of the tuaregs in the Mali can absorb lactose. That ability comes from a genetic mutation a large part of the world doesn't have.

Now based on this map of lactose intolerance in populations around the world (with the higher % meaning more lactose-intolerant people) and your own distorted view of how genetics work, I could claim that Nigeriens (and specifically tuaregs) share 87% genetic material with Russians and Americans while the Chinese share 92% of genetic material with nigerians and the congolese. In fact a blind clustering with the same program used in the study you try to base your "ethiopians have 60% DNA" claim on would group americans, russians and tuareg together because it would only look at the genes that define lactose-intolerance and ignore everything else as well as common background.

What you are trying to do is this. You are misinterpreting data int he most absurd ways to make the most retarded claims someone could do about genetics.
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>>167228584
amazing. Imagine if this happened irl? you would be either wiped out by all zealous catholics, or you would destroy catholicism by showing no one cares about the pope.
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>>167228629
>ethiopians have 60% DNA"
obviously meant "ethiopians have 60% caucasoid DNA"
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>>167228629
I like how you keep ignoring the second study entirely. It's like you found one suboptimal source that doesn't provide evidence unless you,re, you know, intelligent enough to fully understand what it means in the greater context, and are going hog wild on a rant to ignore everything else.

>>167228689
Hey look you finally learned the difference. Good for you.
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>>167228548
>Your emotional appeals are 'debunking'.
No lad, your arguments were debunked with hard data and logic. Something you don't seem too keen on using.

>>167228629
>inb4 he claims he was just pretending to be retarded
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>>167228747
>hard data
Oh? You provided sources then, for the idea that Arab conquests didn't involve any rape?
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>play Byz
>ally Poland, Serbia, Bosnia, Wallachia
>instead of attacking me directly, Ottomen just attack my weak allies one by one
>can't accept their call to arms as I would just get btfo too
>can't wage offensive war against Ottomen because Polan won't join

It's 1470 and I am suffering. Literally only have Konstantinoupoli, Morea, Athenai and Kriti.
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Fact: Only steam and IRC group libs are on at this hour.
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>>167228767
nigger you dont prove a negative, YOU have to prove they did rape.
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>playing as Karlings in 1066
>score a marriage with the duchess of Tuscany
>ready to live out my game building nice comfy kingdom in Italy
>my wife, a de Hauteville, is randomly pushed forth into being queen on Sicily
>20 years later
>marry my son off to the sister to the Emperor of the Greeks
>the emperor's one son dies and then he dies, leaving the crown to my daughter in law
>didn't seek any of this out
>my grandson is now heir to my sizable kingdom in Italy, Sicily and the Byzantine Empire
>just wanted comfy kingdom based around Florence
What do I do now?
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>>167228767
You are the one who claimed that they raped everyone and fundamentally changed the levantine genetic structure, I already proved that their genetic make up is the same for thousands of the years and that they share common ancestry.
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>>167228803
>You have to prove they did something everyone fucking did in their conquests
Do I have to prove Arabs eat now? You're seriously fucking arguing that the Arabs were a peaceful and moral people. Your bias is obvious.

>>167228824
>I already proved that their genetic make up is the same for thousands of the years
No you didn't. Your study said they shared common ancestry WITHIN several thousand years. Meaning, they split off from each other at some point within several thousand years. Is English not your first language?

>and that they share common ancestry.
So does everyone. Again, Europeans and poos do. They're not the same.
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>>167228804
Time to Rome blob.
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>>167228735
>I like how you keep ignoring the second study entirely.
That's because you don't even have the capacity admitting that your first source has shit all to do with what you are talking about. What's even the point arguing when you don't know the difference between "ethiopians have 60% caucasoid DNA" and "we grouped 62% of the ethiopians in the same group as norwegians, jews and armenians".

In fact your second study is "only about the arabs" while we are talking about the ethiopians.

>you found one suboptimal source
This isn't a "suboptimal source", it was just you trying to convince me of some pulled-out-of-your-ass claim by misinterpreting something completely unrelated to what we are talking about. The source is fine, it just has shit all to do with the subject and it's use just show that your claim has no sources, it's based on the misinterpretation of data either in bad-faith or by sheer ignorance.

>what it means in the greater context
No, you just need to understand what the paper means and what it is about. Alternatively, basic reading comprehension would also help you.
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>>167228932
>Your bias is obvious.
nigga i dont give a shit, you're just shit at arguing
>for arabs, raping is a need as if it were like eating
you're the one with the bias fucknugget, give proof or stop arguing.
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*posts in this thread*
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>>167228932
>our study said they shared common ancestry WITHIN several thousand years.
No you dumb retard, the study says "who lived in the region within the last few thousand years."
They lived WITHIN the region and they shared common ancestors int he last few thousands of years.
Is English not your first language?

>So does everyone.
No retard, the study mentions CLOSE common ancestry.

Let me quote you the BBC article about the subject seeing that reading papers is not your strong point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/742430.stm
> This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live.
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>>167228803
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml#section_7
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>>167229153
Jesus christ retard, no one asked you to prove that harems existed.
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>>167229153
>concubines are the same as rape
go back to /pol/
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>>167229190
>>167229238
>"it involved compulsory non-consensual sex - which would nowadays be called 'rape'"
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>Le story of white girl in Africa who loses her parents, but is accepted and loved by Islam
>Then goes to Britain where its shit for some reason

Pro African Islamic propoganda, why are >>they<< making this?
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>>167228735
>I like how you keep ignoring the second study entirely.
Let's debunk your second study then.

>Did you know it's been identified to come from mainly male sources originating in the Arabian Peninsula?
>MALE SOURCES
This claim is disproved right in the article title's.

>Signaled in the Mitochondrial DNA

Genetics 101 for a retard who apparently doesn't even know the basics: Mitochondrial DNA is only passed from mother to children, unchanged. It will NEVER show any male signature in humans.
So much for your second source huh.
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>/pol/tard get BTFO'd by simple logic
This is too entertaining
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>>167229010
Notice how I said everyone did it.

>>167229128
>were similar enough to reveal that the men must have had common ancestors within the past several thousand years.
Bzzt, wrong. You read your own study wrong.

>Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other...
Again, you're not making the argument that Jews are Arabs and that thus the Levant is Arab land.
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>>167229296
what
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>>167229436
Reminder: >>167228785
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>>167229324
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17351267
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>not being pagan
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>>167229501
>Bzzt, wrong. You read your own study wrong.
No lad, you are the one who can't read studies. If you say it's wrong, prove like >>167228629 did to your gross misinterpretation of data.

>Again, you're not making the argument that Jews are Arabs and that thus the Levant is Arab land.
No, the argument was that they are mostly the same (Semitic) people and that religion spread there while you argue that they conquered the place and replaced the original inhabitants.

>The Levant wasn't 'Arab land' until the Arab invasions where they genocided/raped the natives there

The DNA evidence clearly shows that the levant was always semitic land and sharing such a close relationship it's impossible to claim that they "genocided/raped the natives there", and before you try to play dumb when you say "Natives" you clearly imply that the "natives' were different genetically when in fact, as the study shows, they are mostly the same.
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>>167229436
Aren't the people winning trying to prove Ethiopians AREN'T white?
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stupid arguments
such many cases
sad!
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>>167229578
Third time is the charm huh? For someone who claimed something as a fact you don't seem to have some difficulty proving that fact, reading papers or even read paper's titles.

Next time you try to prove something with a study though, try quoting it. You know, the specific part that proves your point because I'm kinda tired to pointing simple flaws in your fictitious logic.
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>>167229631
>If you say it's wrong
I just quoted a line from your source supporting myself and not you. Moron.

>No, the argument was...
This entire thing happened because you ignored who I was replying to.

>The religion spread there...
Through violent conquest.

>Semitic = Arab
Again, this is like calling Germans Indians.

>It's impossible to say they raped anyone.
Arabic defense force.
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>>167229706
>s a fact you don't seem to have
*you seem to have
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Why is there no option to beat the gay out of your child?
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>>167229706
I'm way too lazy to see which one is which when dealing with a rabidly butthurt Mohammad. If you're satisfied, let me continue to fanny fluster the guy that thinks dark brown Arabs are the same race as some fucker many miles away, across several deserts, with only light brown skin and no major contact or migrations involving the other for thousands of years.
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>>167229803
>I'm way too lazy
Exactly, you are not reading what you are using to "prove" your absurd claims. You are just googling shit randomly without even knowing the basics of genetics.

Honestly, this is all embarrassing for you. You think you are trolling people when you are just making a fool of yourself and showing that you should have failed any half-decent education system.
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>>167229879
I've read them before, the links just aren't labeled senpai.

>Googling
Wrong.

>Trolling
Also wrong. I think it's funny that he's so invested in denying reality, but I'm not trolling him by stating facts.
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>>167230112
>I've read them before
And you expect anyone to believe that when you tried to use a mtDNA study to prove a point about male sources? Fuck, you cried I didn't read it while I gave you some time to just think about what you just did when quoting a mtDNA study to talk about male lineage.
If you read anything that you used you wouldn't need to try 3 papers that prove nothing that you said is true and you wouldn't need me to tell you to quote shit, you'd know it.

This whole thing ends really easily, just admit that you pulled your claim out of /pol/ or that you just made it up.

> by stating facts.
If your facts are as good as your genetic "facts" I see I'm dealing with "alternative facts" here. Seems like he's not the only one denying reality around here.
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>>167229789
that just makes them a bottom
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>>167228779
you need hungary and hunyadi at the very start
or albania with its general
their units are absolute dogshit at the start

you have to strike fast before they tech up for next unit
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>>167229728
>I just quoted a line from your source supporting mysel
It doesn't support you, it's just you trying to spin another study like you did with your "60% of ethiopian DNA is caucasoid".

>This entire thing happened because you ignored who I was replying to.
No, the entire thing happens because of your own bias.

>Through violent conquest.
Which is beyond the point. There's no peaceful "conquering" anyway.

>Semitic = Arab
>the whole thhing after
Nice strawman. Try getting some reading comprehension and you will see that's not what I said.

It's clear you are either too dumb to argue or you just like looking like a retard.

It's not like any facts will change your cognitive-dissonance though, so you will just keep on ignoring the truth.
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>>167230291
>This whole thing ends really easily, just admit that you pulled your claim out of /pol/ or that you just made it up.
That wold be lying, though.
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>>167230553
>It doesn't support you,
It says their common ancestor is within several thousand years. How does that not support me?

>Yer biased
Not even against Arabs. My only point is that they aren't native to the Levantine era. Notice how my 'mean' claims, about the rape, were also applied to literally every army ever, even including a white one specifically (the USSR.)
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>>167230550
Hungary rivaled me. It's dumb that I'm even a possible rival for them since I'm so much smaller. So you're saying just restart and ally Albania and Hungary? I doubt I can get Hungary in time for when the Ottomen attack Albania. I was trying the no CB war Candar strat but the coalition would never attack without Mamluks and Ottomen never warn Mamluks.
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>>167230693
>my only point is that they aren't native to the Levantine era.
Then prove it.
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hey, I have a few more questions about vicky 2, playing as Japan:
I conquered Korea, which afaik is encouraged due to techpoints you get from it. but all of it is constantly stuck at 0% administration efficiency. I googled a bit and what I could find is that you need to assimilate them to some extend because bureaucrats of their culture net literally zero administration and then I also read that you cant really assimilate provinces with foreign cores, especially in asia. So does that mean Korea under my rule will forever be stuck at 0% administration efficiency?
Then secondly, I played multiple attempts due to being new to the game and wanting to try different approaches/fucking myself over with infamy. Normally when I westernized I had the 5 starting technologies in every tree except for industrialization where I only had 4 due to missing experimental railroads. However in one game I suddenly only had 2-4 technologies in any tree right after westernizing, how did that happen?
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???
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>>167233130
You just need to export some Japanese there.
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>>167237701
how do I do that?
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>>167238013
I know that if you conquer it after westernizing there are techs that increase the rate of immigration to colonies.
If you conquered while uncivilized, that turn the territories conquered into states. So you just have to make it more attractive for your pops to move there.

In my games as Japan, the southern portion of Korea was always filled with Japanese to the point of being majority, eventually.
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>>167238175
alright, thanks!
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