/fhg/ - For Honor General #9

>get hit by head butt
>oh no now I took a sliver of damage
>get hit by shoulder charge
>well there goes a bar of health

>inb4 muh stamina
you can still do literally everything while out of stamina

why isnt this game 16 v 16?

weebs will win

>>167170347
because that would be stupid

>>167170347
it wouldn't work

the game truly shines in 1v1 combat and 16v16 would just be shitty zergfests

m&b warband and butterlord would satisfy that big battle feel

>>167170347
Because it is p2p connections, not dedicated servers

>>167170182
>Dodge attack the warlord til he stops headbutting
>Doesn't matter he has impenetrable defence and can rape me without it
>Dodge attack the warden til he stops shoulder charging
>Actually stand a chance of winning

I'm sad that these threads are going to die out for a few days until the open beta comes out.

>>167171023
t. orochi player

>>167171042
I am still here trying to satiate my growing addiction

>>167170182
>literally everything
>can't charge flail
>can't full block

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Lag is fun.

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>>167170409
>M&B neverlord

I seriously thought they would release in DEC of last year, when the fuck is coming out?

and now I'm addicted to FH and going through withdrawals, after the beta I pre-ordered the maximum goyim edition and I just want to DEUS VULT it up

>>167166751
I played Nobushi for 20 hours during closed beta

I've never used that purple glowing attack.

>>167171145
ME too

Conq and Warlord are literally impossible to beat fuck shield

>>167171134
Actually conq, but the only classes who can't do anything about it are warden and warlord, so...

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>>167171204
what the fuck is peacekeeper's problem with conquerors?

>>167171293
>impossible to beat
>guard breaks don't exist
>ledges don't exist

I just don't think you're trying hard enough anon.

>>167171293
I think you're just awful at this game

>>167171345
this
I swear I get stabbed a lot more as Conqueror than anything else, even when the PKs are my teammates

>>167171345
I fucking HATE laggy peacekeepers. Nothing in the game is as bullshit as a peacekeeper with red connection.

>>167171443
>not stabbing your teammate PKs with your giant prick

>>167171219
>when the fuck is coming out?
>Implying
games you've been waiting for for 10 years don't come out and when they do they are shit
wait 5 more years for the duke nukem treatment

Why is it that faggots think every single class is OP? What actually happens in their noggin that makes them think that is rational?

>>167171345
>>167171443
PK's are just tsundere for Conquerors.

>>167171539
stop
don't say that, it'll be great! i'll be the best butterlord soon™!!

>>167171645
It's different people. Good players agree that the same classes are OP. New players think unblockables and raider are OP

>>167171709
>Violent abusive tsundere
Into the trash.

>>167171645
>implying warlord isn't overpowered in his current state
remove the ability to tech gb while in full block and give the headbutt a big stamina cost on it while nerfing stamina damage
t. warlord main

>>167170115

What game can i play in the mean time in order to prep myself FOR HONOR

>>167171978
Mount & Blade: Warband

>>167171978
M&B warband

that's legit the only game I can think of to offer combat SORT OF like FH's.

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>>167171758
>Hating tsunderes
Absolutely good taste, my man

>>167172124
>>167172146
>join deathmatch server
>lance cav
>go around crouch lancing everyone
I'm I ready for For Honor now :^)

>>167172293
>Playing multiplayer

Play the actual game, faggot

>>167172531
>play the actual game
I got bored after the first 6 gorillian hours, no thanks

>>167172727
oy vey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FvPQfaPsw

>>167172531
>die to 1 random arrow/bolt in every big battle or siege

yeah good idea, fun

>>167172146
>>167172124

Took a look at MBW and I've seen the series before, nothing about the combat looks akin to FH, is their some aspect that I am missing or am I off base entirely?

>>167170408
But really, what's the point of it?

>>167172954
>Cosplaying as Peacecutie

I played a lot of Raider during the beta, had a good time laming out bad orochis with spacing and light attacks.

Is it just me or is the tracking on stampede rush total shit?

>>167173567
>nothing about the combat looks akin to FH
so, matching your opponents strike stance to block doesn't remind you of FH? not in the slightest?

the multiple attack stances(four of them) don't remind you of For Honor combat?

are you kidding me?

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>>167173610
because if you actually used it,
you would know that it does more damage than whatever you ever could chain a parry into.

>>167173829
I'll give you the guard stances, but the fundamentals are more akin to a 3d fighting game

>>167173863
not him but I really hope you're not talking about warlord and his dinky light attack parry

>>167172954
>she spoiles what Man at Arms is working on
wow rude.

At least I know they won't be making BF1 weapons with Danny Trejo. fucking EA memes

>>167173829
there's no quick dodges or any kind of burst movement, shields work much differently, no parries or special attacks, etc

I love mount and blade but it's much more reaction-based and the decision making in it is pretty straightforward

>>167174157
Warden

>>167174023
The fundamentals of which game? FH? Well, yeah, it literally is a 3D fighting game.

>>167174229
go play sf:v then you fucking piece of shit

>>167174349
why so rude?

>>167170409

Nah, that's too big. 12 on 12 with big objectives like sabotaging fortresses.

>>167174349
And it being a 3d fighting game makes it hugely different from M&B

>Ring of Fire Duel Mode
>Two players fight inside a ring of fire remnant of a battle that happened at night
>No pits, but the ring of fire slowly gets smaller as the timer goes down
Yay or nay?

>>167173863
>>167174264
I was talking about Warlord in that post. Should have clarified.

>>167171293

Not impossible, but the shield staggers you way too hard. If you hit the shield they get a free hit, it's bullshit.

>>167174392
I am sorry, going through withdrawals.
>>167174483
then go play a fighting game, why ae you asking for recommendations if that's what you want?

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>>167174507
I like that.

>>167174642
was meant to:>>167174486

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I feel like most people think Raider is a gimmick but he has a decent toolset. Stunning is kind of weak but it's pretty easy to proc and well spaced heavies to punish whiffed lights and guardbreaks feels great.

I'm kind of worried that once people figure the game out he'll be put to pasture though. Thoughts?

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>>167174507
I guess theoretically the warlord counter is preddy great since it's a perfect guard, so it stops chains, and being a light attack you wouldn't be as susceptible to feints or parries or stuff like guardbreaks on heavy startup.

But granted, one'd have to get the timing down to a t for it to be better than parries and all the other stuff.

>>167174845
Look at that dinky-ass fucking axe

>>167174845
I really like playing Raider, but I feel extremely stupid when playing him.

I feel like I can ONLY dash into stun or guardbreak to close the distance, and either is blocked by being ready. I can dash and do nothing but shit's REALLY risky.

Though I was still winning most of my matches.

How do I play raider?

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>>167174556

Original question-asker here, you're arguing with other people, not me. Take a nap and have some tea, you're irritable.

>>167170409
>the game truly shines in 1v1 combat
1vs1 combat sucks pretty bad due to how much defensive play favours offense.

2on2 is cool though cause you can use the other dude to fuck up any turtles

>>167174845
He just doesn't have enough tools, which makes him kind of predictable, that's all

>>167175050
I feel the same way, defense in this game is insanely good, I think that once we get to Meta Stage Omega-IV that playing passive and waiting for parries will be the standard.

>>167174845
>but he has a decent toolset.
lol no he doesnt
>top stun
and
>unblockable
once law bringer gets buffed to reddit's liking radier will be the worst character in the game hands down

>>167175036
Fuck off, I've got my coffee now. can't nap because I've gotta work, but thanks anon hope you have a good day.

>>167175009
His dash blind is really good though. If the opponent sees you dashing they will always go for a head block so it's very easy to get a side hit in and punish them for guessing wrong.

>>167175239
>If the opponent sees you dashing they will always go for a head block so it's very easy to get a side hit in and punish them for guessing wrong.
not really because any light attack initiated mid dash will turn into the top dash attack
so if you just dash into me without throwing an attack why would I block top or better yet not throw a light of mine
It's like I'm listening to bottom tier players theory crafting

>>167175009

I like to stay at max range against faster characters and wait for them to fuck up before throwing in a couple lights, then start my guardbreak-stun game, sometimes charge stun into guardbreak with some light mixups and an unblockable if they're out of stamina. I'm not an expert but I had pretty reasonable success against bads.

>>167175075
>>167175142
You might be right or you guys might have just played against really spammy raiders. I found that his tricks are pretty subtle and not relying on stuns and guardbreaks but using them sparingly. Also feinting into stunning tap is great for fucking up assassins that like to sidestep light attack a lot.

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>>167170115
Why????

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>>167175563

>>167175430
wow those are some neat tricks!
next you're going to tell me raider can parry too!!!

>>167175239
>>167175430
My usual combo was dash stun/guard. If stun, a heavy(usually top), guard break charge into wall, heavy again and zone attack. It takes all of your stamina but usually ends up taking either about half or more hp out of everyone.

>>167175604
I like to hit them very hard with my axe, works every time

also why the fuck can this 90 lb peacekeeper block a big boy long axe, garbage game

>>167172223
The only reason I like some tsunderes is because that's the only way I can relate.

I can not imagine a girl actually liking me without the drawbacks

>>167175713
Why the fuck can anybody block and parry a flail?

>>167175604

I get that raider probably sucks ass but I think he's better than people give him credit for. I got a lot done just by spacing lights and not doing any other shit.

Mostly I just like his playstyle and aesthetic, big sweat man meat

>>167175803
I like the drama

>>167175603
please help I haven't been able to play for 2 days now

>>167175891
I have to test if feinting a heavy to bait a parry allows you an untechable guard break, even if they feint their parry.

If so, any class with unblockables automatically moves up a tier.

>>167176129
>He's missing out on the beta
kek too bad

How the FUCK is the Raider going to interact with the Shugoki?

>>167176129
Closed beta ended you tard. Wait till 9th.

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>>167176129
I know the pain

>>167176241
>Shugoki can't be lifted by lawbringer
>Raider's carry distance halved.

Who knows.

>>167176250
then how are you guys playing???

Do "uninterruptable" lights also not stagger on block? Or are they only uninterruptable in the sense of shrugging off enemy attacks?

>>167176241
all of the shugoki attacks have super armor right? I guess very carefully

>>167176438
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>167176442
>it's this retard again
there's nothing uninterruptible about them
they're just chains

>>167176475
No I'm not now can you stop being a useless dickhead and help for once???

>>167175861
you can hit the ball and go for a home run, it's military science

>>167176758
sounds like a recipe for a broken sword

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>>167176752
Mate. You fuck.

Closed beta is over. I have no clue where you got the idea that we're still playing as I haven't seen any trolls of that kind. We're all waiting for 9th of February to play in the open beta.

>>167176794
haven't you read berserk
if you hit a flail's ball with your great sword the ball will turn into a shrapnel grenade and explode

>>167176794
you'd be surprised how flexible swords are

I can bend mine in a 90° angle without damage

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>>167176931

>>167176951
>I can bend mine in a 90° angle without damage
>after i heat it up in my forge

>>167176931
>>167177019

DLC Guts in For Honor when?

>>167177019
>Berserk is actually somewhat realistic in terms of swordplay, save for some flashy shit and the fuckhueg sword.

Neat manga all in all.

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W H E N
H
E
N

>>167177019
is this going to turn into a hidden /a/ thread on /vg/ where we talk about how griffith did nothing wrong until the 9th?

>>167177082
With the slabs of iron wardens are waving, they're already guts level strength, before the eclipse that is.

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>>167177082
never ever
>>167177104
manga went to shit after the lost children arc.

>>167177221
griffith did everything wrong

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>>167176752
Do you think all the videos we are posting is current? Because it's all saved up video from the beta. I had like 20 hours of video for use.

>>167177217
what is a hussar without a horse? just a guy with a sword

>>167177278
>manga went to shit after the lost children arc.
Nothing lasts forever anon. At least we got off of the fucking boat and we are are really close to finishing Casca's arc too.

>>167170115
I want to try this game in Open Beta.
Everyone here is Pro-Knight. I wanted to try the weeb girl with the spear... Is there a Christan Equivalent?

>>167177401
>Everyone here is Pro-Knight.
wrong

>>167175009
Use his feint into stun, practice solid fundamentals, and abuse his MASSIVE damage with two side heavies when your opponent is on the ground

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>>167177391
Say that to my lance cyka not online and see what happens

>>167177401
You can go Knight and still use the weeb spear girl. But why not fully commit and go weeb?

>>167177401
knights will get the lawbinger who seems kind of like a really slow version of spear bitch

>>167175009
First you get close.
Then you GREEEEEVEGOLBETAAA

>>167177597
Actually it's "Ég ríf þig í bita!" means "I will rip you to pieces!"

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>>167177397
>we are are really close to finishing Casca's arc too
>imfuckingplying

you should know how bad the story spacing and how the arcs drag out.

but you're right, I'm so glad we're off the boat, and I'm glad I got to read the Golden Age and before that.

I'm still going to buy and read this fucking manga because I want it to end already. just let it die with some dignity.

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>>167177401
You can choose the knights as your faction and still play the weeb girl.
And no, knights have burly men with poleaxes not in open beta.

>>167177667
I-I knew that...

>>167176532
>calling others retards when you're the retard
For Honor has uninterruptible attacks, such as the Warlord's heavies or dash top attack. They are designated by a white flash across your entire character; as opposed to chains which are designated by a blue flash across just your weapon.

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>>167177568
That doesn't make much sense... So you can play any class as any Faction?
>Why not go full weeb
Ppl seem to hate them + they are losing territory right?

I think the Nobushi or Warden appeal to me the most right now

>>167177789
>That doesn't make much sense

gamers are crybabies who hate having their precious content gated in any way

>>167177789
Yup. Pick Knights and you can play any character. People hate every faction and they are going to win the open beta and get a special reward.

>>167177784
>anon says uninterruptible lights
>such as warlord's heavies
XD

>>167177684
speaking of dying without dignity, is naruto over yet

I had like three random volumes back in junior high

>>167177789
>Ppl seem to hate them + they are losing territory right?
They are hated because on the first day of the beta they were steamrolling the entire map. They lost territory because Vikangz and DEUS VULT faggots focused solely on Samurai to try and get their territories back, then just never stopped

>>167177789
is that euromaidan? truly the greatest larp in the last 30 years

>>167177590
He's only slow until you realize the power of the shove mixups.

I just hope they don't change him up too much so we don't end up with him turning up op and having to go through another round of changes.

People just had no idea how to play him during the tech test. He was just fine.

>>167177926
Time skip ending, it's over.
Spin off of Naruto's and Sasuke's kids going now. Once a month I think. Ended pretty well considering how shitty it was up until those last few arcs.

>>167177913
Anon was probably referring to the Berserker's infinite light-heavy-light-heavy combo which makes him uninterruptible after like the 3th or 5th consecutive swing, I forget which.

>>167177913
Does it matter? It doesn't matter what the move is, uninterruptible status is completely arbitrary. Kensei has an uninterruptible zone attack unlike anyone else, Shugoki has uninterruptible status passively - which could also apply to light attacks. Anything can theoretically be uninterruptible if the devs give it the property.

>>167178148
are you autistic? real talk senpai don't get all offended and uppity
how far on the spectrum are you

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>>167177027

>>167178000
Good times

>>167178597
that's just a sparring sword though, right?

>>167177401
yes, converting and not being a giant faggot

or peacekeeper if you're intent on being a knight and a faggot

>>167178813
Most swords bend like that, they have to in order to not shatter on impact with anything harder than bone. Brittle/stiff weapons wear down and break much faster.

>>167178813
sure, but the steel is the same

if I were to sharpen it, it'd be a proper blade.

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>>167178315
according to the internet I am 27% autistic
not him btw

>>167178813
there's actual techniques that take into account the flexibility of the blade where you will let it fly flatwards towards the enemy and even if he blocks it the blade will bend and bitch slap him

Prellhau 4tw

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>Oh yes fuck my sinful pussy with your huge barbarian cock! Breed me with your bastard children and spit in my face!

>>167177789
Does this vid make sense or is IGN just bad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srxGONJar_s

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>>167179485

>>167171232
Why not? Probably her best zoning attack and is for the most part completely safe unless you're a dumbass who tries it while they're charging or in your face. The only thing I never used with her was the spinning heavy, and the side-step heavies because they're super unsafe on parry.

>>167179542
both of those players are garbage

>>167180032
>garbage
I take it back a little, each match is significantly better than the previous

>>167179542
i have never seen a professional reviewer that is good at a game

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>>167177480
>>167177217
Slavs when!

>>167180032
>>167180248
>>167180281
You guys should check out Polygon's gameplay.

>>167180382
>giving polygon views

>>167180478
I know, I know.

>>167179485
You need help.

>>167180584
You need to up your deviancy.

>>167180790
>>167179485
Fucking miseror.

>>167177391
That brings up an interesting topic, we already have two characters with bladed polearms(three if you count Dane Axe), two duel wielding assassins, three with swords, one spear/shield, shield/mace, shield/sword, and Kanabo. With the new characters that they're supposed to release throughout the year how well do you think they'll be able to diversify the lineup without making things seems stale? Most of the characters/warriors that people want to see in game would be threepetes if not doubles. I know that we won't see too much of a difference from the Centurion character...and the assassin just seems like it's going to be the Japanese PK...

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>>167180790
Are you a virgin?

>>167179867
always got blocked when I used it and I was afraid of getting parried

ended up killing people with heavies after a parry

>>167180896
Do fleshlights count?

>>167180880
the ninja is getting chain scythe. that will either be like a duel weapon or a flail style or maybe even both.

>>167180880
There's absolutely no point in adding ninja to the game because most ninja were already samurai who just learned a few stealth tricks. They're very similar, except ninja are basically just spies.

>>167179485
an overweight neckbeard who has never seen a vagina typed this to get off

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>>167181024
Please read this manga
http://m.mangahere.co/manga/love_riron/

>>167180880
If they're willing to draw from the mid-east, then they could summon up Arabs with curved swords or Mamlukes with with proper maces (as opposed to a flail).

>>167181145
Interesting do you have a source on that information or is it just speculation? I saw the Kama but nothing about a chained Kama...that changes things and makes me think long range command grabs which sounds like fun.

>>167177789
Ukraine riot armor DLC for Wardens when?

>>167181175
Yeah I don't really understand it either, especially since you'd think Ninja would be a shoe in for assassin in the first iteration but they settled for two sword wielding guys instead of just Kensei or Orochi...

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>>167181402
just that that is what it looks like, moveset is me speculating

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Reminder that Knights have the best customization menu music.

>When you go to customize your Warden and the choir kicks in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZhrvTeQAM

>Slav warriors
>Saracen Kebab
>Roman warriors

I'd also mention greek and egyptian warriors but it would get too silly to go that far back.

>>167181727
That choir is fucking 10/10.

Why don't churches do this kind of badass choir nowadays? It's always either kids or women.

>>167181756
Why would it be silly? You know what's silly? Vikings. Vikings are silly. And they're fighting samurai. That's fucking silly. So why stop and try to control the already absurd amounts of silly?

We must go sillier. Give me a Pharaoh with a sickle or staff.

>>167181897
because at that time church music was the popular music, non-church orchestras and quires were not a thing for quite a while. now it's just for praise

>>167177667
Are you sure he says "dig"? It sounds a lot like "du"

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>>167181727
>That reverb in combination with the horns at 0:57

>>167181336
Yeah I could see them doing a lot with Scimitars or Falchions. I'm just afraid that the movesets won't differ enough to keep the game interesting. Egyptians and Romanians could also fit into curved weapons...though I'm looking forward more to Maori, Native Americans, or Ancient South Americans. Since the weapons there would be vastly different.

Which class is best for standing against four enemies? Which will be best when the game comes out?

How can they fix Kensei?

Classes that will be in every.
single.
match:

Orochi
Nobu
Lawbringer
And probably Berserker

These will seriously get tiresome after a while -- I'd already had it with the Orochi before the Beta was over.

>>167182467
They don't need to. Kensei is GLORIOUS.

Is keyboard and mouse better than controllers?

>>167182429
>against four enemies
conqueror

>best when game comes out
it's a balanced game, senpai
warden or warlord

>>167181714
Now that you said it, does somewhat look like a chain is hanging down...could just be my imagination though.

>>167182563

So a Lawbringer would not fare well? Nor a Shugoki?

>>167181954
Just go full anime and give Apollyon Gates of Babylon

>>167182429
Warlord.

High health, superior block, allblock stance, and heavy out of that stance that's practically a zone attack.

>>167182491
>STILL having issues with orochi the side step slash spammer

kek

>>167182603
they are being rebalanced, nobody knows what they will be like, we already hardly know what they are like

>>167182491

Enough people will get wrecked with Lawbringer that they'll stop maining him.

>>167181954
Okay then. Put fucking greek and egyptian warriors in it.

>Greek soldier with one-time-use throwable spear, switches to Kopis after throwing
>Egyptian soldier with a double-edged fan ace who can hook you closer to him

>>167182671
Oh, and his heavies can't be interrupted, which is useful for finishing opponents knocked on the ground.

Can also tech any guardbreak.

>>167182694
Well...I think there will be an influx of the new characters...Valk, Law, Shugoki at the start of release. Seeing as how not many people have played them and they'll want to see what they're all about. The tryhards will stick to their mains to farm Rep 1 as fast as possible though, and a lot of people will probably see what this whole story mode is about.

>>167182467
kensei is fine, just because he doesn't have anime reverse grip dashes doesn't mean he's bad

>>167182467
Kensei is perfectly fine. Learn when to set up his Helm Splitter and when to feint it into a side heavy. Side dodge with light attacks as nobody expects it from him.

>>167182467

He doesn't need fixing. Get good with him and he's just as viable as the other Samurai.

>>167182491
Are you seriously still having problems with Orochi? He's easy as shit to counter now as long as you wait for him to come to you

>>167182781
>egyptian
PRAISE KEK

>>167183102

Won't Lawbringer be difficult to play? You'd think he'd be scrub proof.

>>167183102
>>167182694
What I mean is they got annoying on account of how often I saw them -- that is, in every match that wasn't a 1v1.

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>>167183193
Also

>Gladiator hero
>Has a mace and a cestus boxing glove
>Can feint light attacks (with a certain cooldown for balancing)
>Blocks with his mace on his left side and with his arm plates on the right side

>>167183383
I can legitimately see the Roman warrior getting customizable armour of this level. I will fucking cream myself if he does.

>>167183342
Same, I played a lot of 2v2s and you wouldn't believe how often there was an orochi on each side. thankfully most orochi players seem genuinely awful at the game and spam anime dash

So, anyone else slightly interested in the story?

>>167183637

The only good Orochi seem to play 1v1, but even then "good" amounts to spamming the same weak attacks over and over.

>>167183703
Yep

>>167183705
>>167183637
>That Orochi that always goes overhead

Thanks for the free Crushing Counters, fagtron.

https://youtu.be/a6OdYX8S5qY

Best Orochi and Warden fighters I've seen.

>>167183705
I would put them in the mediocre category, I play some good orochis who seemed to have preternatural deflect timing and always knew when to guardbreak, very rare luckily

>>167183703

I am. Holding out hope for a good one.

>>167183703
>tfw Raider is going to die

>>167182628
She better have some over-the-top, shouldn't-be-in-this-game abilities for her boss fight

So is the 100 point 20% coupon sent to you via email or automatically applied on checkout? Cause neither of these things have happened and I redeemed the coupon like 6 hours ago.

>>167183784

The storm rush is just as bad. It's like they want me to parry them.

>>167183703
I hope it's good, but I'm going to be jumping straight into multiplayer. I don't want to waste however much time on the story and have memelords with heroic gear in dominion when I have regular shit

>>167183818
Yeah I've accepted that. I just hope it's in some glorious last stand that's player controlled rather than Apollyon pulling some 2edgy back stab on him

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>>167183383
Asscreed had some neat armors, we need Papal knights

>>167177278
>manga went to shit after the lost children arc.
it did not.

>>167184052
I'd bet anything we'll get some Templar knight outfits

>>167183978
If anything, playing the SP will help you get better at the MP since the SP bosses are probably going to curbstomp 95% of all players.

https://youtu.be/B1LF52R8U_0?t=9m56s

Note, this is the very first boss in the game.

>>167184190

I plan to start with the storyline. To get the ornaments and be as skilled as I can before diving into MP.

>>167183818
>screaming about Valhalla like a madman int he story trailer while his troops rush around him

Yeah, he's fucking dead.

>>167184052
>Trailers set the Papal guards up as huge badasses
>In the game they job to the hidden blade counter like everyone else

>>167183703
people fight each other for their stuff

theres your story

>>167183703
I just want to see Apollyon wreck the japs like the story trailer implies.

>>167184084
Don't be delusional. All long running series suffer from quality degradation.

Guts got weaker after The Lost Children arc, his motives became worse, it's now a typical adventure manga and less about a soul-crushed warrior seeking vengeance.

I hope Guts' new party meets a terrible fate in front of his eyes so he can become the black swordsman again and kill Griffith with his rage. that's the only way for the series to become good again. We've seen this "power of bonds and friendship, I have something to protect!" Shenanigan time and time again. BERSERK was great because it wasn't any of that. Now it is.

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Kisama wa nanoka

S A V A G E

>>167184591
>gook calling anybody else a savage

LEL

nothing like listening to some Pavarotti while cutting down my enemies with the power of the cross. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFUM4Uh_6Y

>>167184637
Do not insult Kensei-sama. He is an honorary knight with a glorious mask moustache.

>>167184785

This.

should i buy this for the ps4 or pc?
which will have a bigger player base?

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Is it a bad idea to off low health teammates just to res them to full?

What are your predictions of what DLC content they'll release?
More factions will be nice, but it may be just delusion.
More classes maybe?
>inb4 dlc classes are the most OP shit in the game so you turn this into p2w

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Any plans for dedecated servers?

>>167184959
Lurk more.

>>167184882
Doesn't seem bad to me, the risk would be, "can you win the fight to make space and rez them.

>>167183790
So is feinting going to save high-level play or destroy it? hard to tell

>>167185104
Destroy it if my observations are any indication. A lot of high level gameplay that I've seen just completely devolves into feint spamming.

Honestly, it's far more entertaining to watch two noobs fight each other in this game.

>>167185104
Yeah, not sure. We'll have to see what meta develops.
Are there classes that can feint better than others? Is the feint mechanic something that will need to be adjusted for every class? Hard to say. I feel like feinting is too strong for the Orochi and Warden right now.

Warden heavy overhead cancel(feint) into the light attack combo is just too good.

Orochi light feint into a heavy side attack is great as well.

>>167185425
>Honestly, it's far more entertaining to watch two noobs fight each other in this game.
i agree. watching two players lay into each other is far more entertaining

>>167185425
Reminds me of when I started playing Chivalry in 2012 or whenever and all was beautiful and full of promise.

I went back a couple years alter and it was all mouse dragging/rushing and fucking vanguards spamming flamberge charges into groups. Oh well, let's just cherish the first few months of FH while we can.

>>167185004
no news of it, likely not

>>167185104
Coupled with Parrying it's going to keep it alive.

>>167185004
Nope.

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>>167185790
>tfw green colors are at like rep 9 or something dumb like that

>>167185665
I seriously hope FH lasts longer than a few months. But I am highly paranoid about the upper echelons of play being feint fests.

But maybe this anon>>167185843
Is right.

>>167185917
>>167185843
Parrying is literally killing the game single-handedly. Going on the offence is a terrible idea because parrying is easy and guarantees the enemy a guard break into heavy.
It's absolutely suicidal to throw out a heavy or combo because it WILL get parried.

>>167186074
They just need to heavily nerf parry windows.

>>167186074
And that's why feint is there.

>>167186074
I was about to post that being defensive in this game is way more rewarding and guaranteed wins than going aggressive.


Okay anons, how do we fix the reactive play and encourage proactive play?

How do we fix parrying to not be one-sided?

>>167186162
I wouldn't mind parries having the same window as warden top counter

>>167186307
That would make it worse. Warden's top counter is OP.

>>167186074
Feint nigga. Feinting is specifically for use against parry-fishing players.

>>167186363
The point is that the window is tighter.

>>167186387
Yeah but what's to stop me from feinting everything I can? That's boring.
I say reduce parry timing window.

>>167186181
>>167186387
Niggers you can feint out of a missed parry attempt. Also it's easy to parry lights.

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>Femshep is a female warden in the Campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eK_rMNmROM
Could this game get any cooler?! Holy fuck!

>>167186185
Give heavies significant chip damage
Make blocks not interrupt light attacks
Parries on heavies don't guarantee guard break

There, now as an attacker you have a reason to throw out heavies, try to finish combos and feint into lights. As a defender, you have a reason to parry and tools to turn on your opponent that aren't just better than playing offensively.

>>167186861
I agree with heavy chip damage. The rest? Not so much.

>>167186861
Heavies already do some chip right?

>>167186861
>blocks not interrupt light attacks

Um what?

>>167185104
Like 50% of their feints worked for their own dissadvantage, so in the end they probably wont matter at all.

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>>167184472
All series evolve over time. Hell, the artwork alone has advanced lightyears from what it was in volume one.

>Guts got weaker after The Lost Children arc,
[citation needed]. The opposite is true, the villains from that point on became much more threatening that the berserk armor was necessary.

>his motives became worse,
Someone wasn't paying attention to the story. In all the two years he slaughtered all the apostles he could find, he wasn't even a blip on the God Hand's radar. And even then, they could easily get more apostles in the future, making his victory almost pointless other than to avenge the band of the Hawk. And because he did this, he abandoned the woman he loved and was dangerously close to becoming an apostle himself. Is it not a coincidence that once he focused on Casca that he was able to become more of a hindrance to Griffith and the God Hand?

>it's now a typical adventure manga and less about a soul-crushed warrior seeking vengeance.
The central dynamic of Berserk was never solely on Guts's unending struggle against evil forces, but his relations with his companions. The Black Swordsman arc culminated in the one moment that Puck could see past his ruthless facade, see a wounded man struggling with his burden. The Golden Age arc showed how reliant he was on the band of the Hawk for his identity and how he snapped when it was taken away from him. The Lost children arc ended with him encouraging Jill to fight her own battles. Berserk was always a story of inner good prevailing against evil.

>I hope Guts' new party meets a terrible fate in front of his eyes so he can become the black swordsman again and kill Griffith with his rage. that's the only way for the series to become good again.
>muh grimdark tragedy is automatically a better narrative
>>kill griffith with his rage

>"power of bonds and friendship, I have something to protect!"
You mean like Guts protecting Theresa/Casca/Griffith/Jill before the conviction arc?

>>167186991
About as much damage as finding out you're the milkman's son would do to your dad's opinion of you.

>>167186974
Parries can't stay in their current state, and the way things are now you will never see someone even attempt to complete a combo. It's boring and aggression needs to be encouraged.

>>167182491
seen way, way more peacekeepers than berserker, orochi or fuck, even nobushi

>>167187081
Currently blocking a light attack staggers the attacker, ending any combo they might be part of.

>>167187209
>It's boring and aggression needs to be encouraged.

t. button masher

>>167187304
>forgetting that berserker exists

Oh yes lets have their infinite combo continue without any possibility of interrupting it.

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>>167184785
Kensei is the only honorabu samurai.
He has to deal with the other 3 that keep ruining it
>be kensei only samurai without some shitty gimmick trying to preserve your cultures honor
>Nobushi keeps poisoning people, orochi won't stop teleporting behind people mid fight and saying edgy stuff and ken-sama the shugoki isn't even japanese and keeps pronouncing things wrong
>Every day consider seppuku

>>167187368
>What is stamina
>What are parries
???
>>167187320
No I main conqueror. Having to spam shield bash to get any offense off that won't lead to me getting my face parried off is boring.

>>167187481
Okay then let me rephrase
>Let the infinite combo continue until they run out of stamina because if you cannot stagger their combo there will never be a window open up where you have enough time to parry them

>>167187194
I won't disagree with the rest of your post but

>"power of bonds and friendship, I have something to protect!"
>You mean like Guts protecting Theresa/Casca/Griffith/Jill before the conviction arc?
It was different then, not that he wasn't protecting them and it made him strong, but because he lost them and couldn't protect made it a different story than per norm, he couldn't save them. He had a great character development at this time, and I would have preferred if he kept on this persona of a "wounded man fighting his demons", it was just better.

You know this manga isn't going to end well for Guts or Guts' party. I just don't want to see it devolve into a good ending with no consequence for anything that ever happened.

I feel like Guts being able to kill apostles without the Berserker Armor was his strongest point. Now he can't even kill regular demons without it. Makes me think they shoehorned in a power gap to make the new demons seem OP, which is silly, because Guts was slaying these fucks(albeit incredibly difficult at times) left and right.

You're absolutely right on the art and I guess, the plot with God Hand. Maybe I just had too much of it. Maybe we were on the boat for too long. I just don't like the current direction it's going. It's not the Berserk I started reading and fell in love with.

>>167187569
You can parry mid combo, doufus.

>>167187481
>>167187569
It's not an instant parry time, the heavy (parry) attempt has to be started before you are actually hit. you wont have enough time to parry it

>>167187823
that's completely wrong and I can show you footage of instant parries. You don't have to be able to do the animation to get the parry off, you can do it while still staggering around. As long as the game thinks you should be able to block the attack, you can parry it.

>>167187813
Yeah NOW you can because you can stagger their attacks and open a window to parry them. Like >>167187823 says it takes time for the parry frames to start. It's like in dark souls. There is a startup time, parry open window, then a recovery time. Without the stagger the startup frames will never be short enough to parry it

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>>167187401
As expected.

>>167187935
Show proof of instant parry time frame by frame with the input to parry. There are startup frames.

This'll be good.

>>167186671
>Being this retarded.

>>167188050
Alright, 10 mins while I make a webm

>>167187938
>It's like in dark souls. There is a startup time, parry open window, then a recovery time.

Really? How do you know it's like Dark Souls? You got a source on how their frame data/mechanics work? Or are you just comparing the game to another one, thinking they're all the same?

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>>167187401
Nords will win

>>167187461
>shugoki isn't even japanese
Source?

>>167188110
Considering you can miss a parry if you try too late, there is startup time, and because you can't spam parry key to guarantee a parry, both of what I said is true. Startup, parry, recovery.

>>167178001
What exactly is this "shove mixup"? I never got to play him, but from what I've heard he doesn't have many options off of a shove.

>>167188229
Jap woman from Shugoki trailer speaks of him as an "ally who became family" which soundslike he was some guy who decided to join them

>>167188271
What the actual fuck kind of logic is that.
>If I miss the parry...I miss the parry...
Yeah no shit fucktard.

>>167188274
light, heavy or a guardbreak
or another shove
and shoves counted in chains

>>167188360
I always interpreted that as "They weren't in the Jap army at first but later joined it"

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>>167188271
Of course there's a startup time you fucking mong, you just don't have to be in a situation where you're able to throw a heavy to start it. You could start your parry window while still staggered but as long as the actually parry window is in the right place, you will parry. Hence, instant parry.

>>167188274
X mixup just refers to using X ability, something else, X ability again. So in Conqueror's case. Shield bash, attack/gb/dodge, Shield bash.

>>167188540
That's precisely what I thought too.

>>167188592
no I know, i was just wondering what moves you could use for the mixup as i was under the impression that you couldn't follow up the shove with anything.

>>167188383
Try to dismiss this
Startup time
Parry window
Recovery time

If you were to spam parry constantly, would you parry? No? That means that there is startup time/recovery time/or both.

If there was no startup time, you could have enough time to get a fast light attack then parry a heavy attack. No sane developer would allow this, so we can rule out no start up time

If there was no recovery time, you could wiff a parry then go right into a roll/attack/another parry instantly. Once again, because no sane developer would allow this, we can rule this out as well.

If there was no startup OR recovery, you could spam heavy forever with no consequences because you would always be within the parry window. Know what a sane developer would not do?

>>167188573
Yeah nah, the game doesn't register inputs while you are staggered. You can know this because if you use a controller, and change block direction while staggered, it doesn't actually change until after the stagger frames have stopped. Hence the "controller input lag" argument.

>>167188924
OK you clearly don't understand what an input buffer is. The game reads your inputs dingleberry, it just doesn't action them until it is possible to do so. The parry startup window does not give half a fuck about the input buffer because it's not an actual action like throwing a heavy, all it cares about if you're doing a parry is "was the timing correct, is he blocking in that direction".

>>167185617

>Warden heavy overhead feint into light is too good

How are you scared of babbys first feint?

Come back when you deal with shoulder feint into guard break.

>>167188924
Actually sorry, I realize I am explaining this improperly.

The defending player doesn't get "parry windows". The attacking player gives a window in their attack that if the player is not staggered, and they can do actions, the player may do a heavy attack in that window and it will parry.

But because of the fact that the defending person gets staggered by the attacks of the berserker and the berserker wouldn't get staggered, there would never be a time where the player is not in a staggered state and be able to parry.

>>167186851
its not google it. its Patricia Summersett i thought it was femshep too at least she sounds bad ass enough to get a passing grade

>>167187782
>It was different then, not that he wasn't protecting them and it made him strong, but because he lost them and couldn't protect made it a different story than per norm
While I will give you that Casca and Griffith turned out to be tragic in the end, the power of friendship was still in full effect during the Golden Age (Guts killing 100 men so Casca can escape, killing Wyald with the help of the band of the hawk.) and ever since.

>He had a great character development at this time, and I would have preferred if he kept on this persona of a "wounded man fighting his demons", it was just better.
His current character is the natural evolution of that: He can be a pretty decent guy if he doesn't have to worry about the constant danger he draws hurting those close to him. And even then, he's still the same wounded man. Being dragged down by his metal arm trying to save Casca from drowning has him remark that some things may never be truly repaired.

>I feel like Guts being able to kill apostles without the Berserker Armor was his strongest point. Now he can't even kill regular demons without it. Makes me think they shoehorned in a power gap to make the new demons seem OP, which is silly, because Guts was slaying these fucks(albeit incredibly difficult at times) left and right.
Guts already has an unfair advantage with elf powder so he doesn't end up crippled after every fight. The berserk armor is actually just a bait and switch. Black Swordsman Guts was fighting with his dark side the whole time, the berserk armor just makes this a conscious process now.

>>167186363

Says the faggot orochi main who can't quite grasp that using predictable top attacks against a warden is a bad idea.

Explain to me why a Peacekeeper's guardbreak + 3 stabs should take off 1/3rd of a Vanguard character's HP.

>>167189850
hello ((((reddit))))

>>167187209

Haha, play me faggot, I'll show you some combos.

You main a defensive class that gets rewarded for blocking but you complain that you can't just swing completely unpunished? Fuck off, or play a different Hero.

>>167189941
Peacekeeper should not get such high damage on a move that safe.

>>167188540
Same. Allies =/= foreigner.

>>167190047
like press x nigga like use it nigga

>>167190112
>Miss X once
>Lose more health than if I ate an unblockable attack from every other character which have bigger windows to counter

>>167189580
>he thinks i play as the slants

LOL

>>167189547
I like your views on it. Thanks for the discussion anon.

>>167190047
>that safe
you can hit her before she grabs you, you can counter guard break

Also it takes time for bleed to tick down so you can hit her for as much as she bled you before you even finish bleeding

>>167189850

>Thick Blood

Don't know what you're talking about fampai. Even in duels, just fucking tech the grab. They always side dash amd guard break in that order.

Just press square nigga, lol, like, just press the fucking button nigga.

>>167190209
Ah, ok, so you're just butthurt because you're predictable and stubborn enough to keep eating crush counters. Got it.

peacekeeper is built like rice paper with the range of a 6 year old, people should really just get good

>>167190286
>you can hit her before she grabs you

You can hit people during their unblockables as well. You guys don't seem to understand that Peacekeeper's grab and stab is literally better than every unblockable in the game. It's a fast start up and deals more damage.

>>167190267
You are welcome.

>>167190204
she has to time press for 3 stabs you can break out by mashing x with no skill at any point get gud

>>167190490
You can't break out unless they fuck up the stab timing which only beginner PKs do, you're wrong as fuck.

>>167190451
you should really just learn to expect the GBs against them

also like anon said if you whiff a guard break you open yourself up to a big punish

honestly though the game will probably get more balancing before release, just be patient and try to adapt before whining

>>167190449
the range ---and speed--- of a 6 year old on a mixture of meth and crack

>>167190490
>>167190596

>mashing x

Wait hold up what? Can you block the stabs? You can get out of the grab?

>get interested in this after seeing the videos, gameplay and stuff
>realize i am short on money anyway for now and might have problems running due to computer starting to show its age

I guess i shall stick to watching videos, its a shame as this is exactly the kind of game I always dreamed of

>>167190682
No, he's wrong. You can't get out of the grab and stab unless the Peacekeeper fucks up the stab timing.

>>167190682
yes

>>167190682
you can't get out of the grab but the PK can fuck up their timing, though I believe you can block the 2nd and 3rd strikes or reduce the damage

>>167190745
beta is in a week, enjoy your 4 days of free gaming

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>>167179485
ENOUGH, I am going to make peacekeeper great again! Starting by shipping these degenerates to mexico and putting them behind a big, beautiful firewall.

>>167190769
That's what I thought. I notice sometime that the stab happens but no damage is dealt and it does a block sound and a little effect. What's up with that?

>>167190794
If yes, explain.

>>167190809
HOW DO YOU BLOCK THE SECOND AND THIRD

Shugoki's rather large man.

>>167190881
compared to yourself

>>167190881
shut the fuck up

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>Law bringer gets a sort of "well what is it/are you not entertained" emote

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>There are people here who aren't going to Bane it up with Lawbringer

FIRSHT I WILL BREAK YOUR BACK
THEN YOUR SHPIRIT

>>167190859
an anon said once the if you block in the direction she last had her stance that you can block her 2nd and third strikes. I have seen a video where one of them was blocked, but I don't remember what is was (it was just a gameplay vid, the player didn't even notice)
I don't think there is any reliable evidence, it's something to test on the open beta

>>167190859
I did it because thats what i was told and it seemed to work if it was a coincidence then whatever.
The other guy gave an even easier answer just block. Still easy as fuck.

>>167190859
You block the direction she attacks from, not the direction of the stab animation.
That's what some people say, i haven't tried it but i'm 100% sure you can block 2nd and 3rd since bots are doing it.

>>167191079
>>167191090
>>167191127

MORE TESTING REQUIRED

>>167190809
Oh, ok then, thanks anon, I will take that time to test whether I can play it enjoyably or not

Also, which classes have the highest skillcaps in general and are the most reliable?

>>167190809
you could also just you know break the guard break which is just as easy and negates stabbing

Do any of the weeb fucks have nagareboshi techniques? If not, think we'll get someone doing that absolute madman shit?

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>>167191073
best