World of Warships Admiral /wowsg/

BATTLESHIPS FEAR THE KUMA

First for "shoulda won the war :^)".

>>166973150
>using the plons primarily as a defense against CV strike packages instead of primarily as advance warning against incoming torps when your sonar is down
What did he mean by this?

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>>166973129

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>>166973129

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>>166973547
"no"

>>166973580
>Bennington
more like BENTnington

TELL ME THE SECRET CHAIN CHOMP

PLEASE

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>>166974070
pls no bully

I love you /wowsg/!
I hope you have a enjoyable week of botes coming up.

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>>166974519
???????

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pls do not harass the ducks

Whats a good skills build for Nagato for ranked?

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>enemy CV is a Strike Sipan
>i'm in a atlanta
>he tries to torp me not once, not twice, but three times
>i delete his strike craft every time
>"ATLANTA OP GG"
What did he mean by this.

>>166975027
AA spec

Actually forget it, just bring Gneisenau

>>166974052
dat dispersion doe

>>166974824
>using the "yaaa gomen gomen" reaction pic incorrectly
reeeeeee

>>166975148
>bring Gneisenau
You could not have chosen a worse ship for ranked.

>>166975427
>muh armor
>wreck planes
>can spec Secondary too
>torps as well
??????????????????????????????

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>>166975427
>using the "yaaa gomen gomen" reaction pic incorrectly

>>166975427
Scharnhornst/Gneisenau are the only BBs that aren't affected by IFHE

>Decide to support a couple cruisers
>Both are killed by torpedoes
Mistakes were made.

>>166975751
>6 guns
>implying there are CVs in ranked
>6 guns
>AA hull has meh secondaries
>s i x
>first hull with good secondaries has meh AA
>6
>implying you're gonna go knifefight those 5 DDs on the enemy team with your torps
>SIX GUNS

>>166975837
And Scharn would be a far, far better option for ranked.

>>166975998
>Saipan
>implying there are CVs in ranked
>?????????

>>166976049
>implying your AA is going to do jack shit to an 18pt Saipan captain who wants you dead
?????????????????

>>166975998
If there's a heavy CV meta Gneisenau would be better... But given the current conditions Scharn, if you have it, is a no brainer

>>166975998
>ask about Nagato, a non-prem T7 BB
>replies Gneisenau, a non-prem T7 BB
>respond with Scharn, a prem T7 BB
well played

>>166976091
>I-It's not going to do anything s-so why bother
kys

>>166976165
Cont.
Also IFHE on Gneisenau (using main battery HE and secs) would be a fun experiment

>>166976271
Actually, >>166975427 was my first post in the comment chain.

>>166976301
>using a ship whose advantages are negated by the inevitable meta of cancerous T9 strike packages
kys

Also, the last time we had T7 ranked, there were hardly any CVs in queue. It was just endless DD spam. Smoke as far as the eye could see.

>>166976091
>Implies there are no CV's in ranked
>Replies with Saipan
>ITS NOT GOING TO MATTER ANYWAY
Moving goalposts general.

>>166976418
If the last T7 ranked season is anything to go by, there are essentially no CVs in ranked, yes.

kys

>>166976490
Should have replied with that first shitter, now you're just a dirty goalpost mover.

>>166976553
(You)

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>Fort
>tier ten match
>inna tier 8 BB
>enemy CV is a Taiho
>ours is a strike Essex
good game dess.

>>166976674
I want to strike sex Taiho.

>>166976964
Run your dick over a washboard. There, an accurate simulation.

>>166977059
Please stop putting images into my head, I already get a chub when I take out a cuttingboard.

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>>166977059
Delet this

>Wallet warrior reddit shitter in an atagoy turns right in front of me to shit torpedoes at a nearly dead battleship
>I don't notice he's reddit at the time so I slow and turn to avoid him
>This allows the enemy carrier to get a strike on me
Jesus I'm fucking ramming this faggot next time. He literally caused my death.

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>sailing with a group of me, another bismarck, Mogami and a Minotaur
>run into the enemy contesting the point consisting of a Benson, Kutuzov, Bismarck, North Carolina
>this should be ez
>our mogami and minotaur both turn around and sail the opposite way when we spotted the enemy's
Why. Why would you ever turn a winning situation into a losing one?

>>166977595
Can't let our paint get scratched :^)
Seriously though, it's bad habits picked up in low tier games carried over to high tier because they fail their way to the top.

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>>166977595
>anime pic
>doesn't understand flanking
>most likely sperged at his teammates for not doing a lemming train into the cap being contested

>>166977595
Honestly I wouldn't blame the Minotaur, odds are 3/4ths of the ships you were facing would have focused him ASAP for citadels.

>>166977595
>charging into a cap contested by a DD, two ships with smoke, and the king of bow-on
>thinking this is a good idea
????????????????

>https://thedailybounce.net/2017/01/29/world-of-warships-qa-27012017/
>Q: Do developers realize that players do not like high tier battles? Maps too large, distances too large, planes too fast, guns too powerful, etc. Do you plan changes to high tier gameplay?
>A: The server statistics shows a steady increase in the number of high tier battles. Wether it is the long-awaited Yamato, or the tension of high tier matches, or the realization of a unique potential in each ship, we cannot say that high tiers are unpopular in general.

>We understand that the game meta changes as the player climbs the tiers, and we do not see anything wrong with some players enjoying tiers V-VII more than tiers VIII-X. It is a personal preference.

>Finally, the economy of high tiers is becoming more enjoyable not only due to changes in earnings and repair bills, but also due to containers and other sources of earnings that help adapting to high tiers by conferring various bonuses.

>>166977729
Yeah, but we ended up losing because they sailed around the whole side of the map, instead of just fighting it out there. I probably would've died either way, but we would've won that side singlehandedly, compared to me and the other bismarck

>>166977867
If 'flanking' on tears of the desert is going to A, turning around, and sailing to C is flanking. Colour me suprised.

>>166977984
The NC was and idiot, he was the first to be spotted, and the first to be deleted. He was more than happy to show his broadside to two BB's. And we would've won the side, and probably the match.

>>166977886
I don't have any problem's with cruisers turning off to flank when contact is made, I do have a problem with they turn and purely fuck off.

>>166978010
More incompetent than blizzard.
>Develop a game with a tier system
>Players naturally climb tiers over time
>Mistake natural progression with preference or enjoyability.

>>166978010
Waiting for all the Fletchers to run out of smoke, and BBs to stop bow-on reversing at 20km is EXTREMELY HIGH TENSION

will they stop in time for gameplay to occur before the timer ends?
will I ever spot an enemy ship?
Is it possible to stay awake for an entire match?

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>Just want to lay citadels on ships
>Only thing anyone ever plays is German

>>166978447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfXcz5gwesw

I can understand the coordination and the "high-level gameplay" that goes into this game from both sides, and I guess that's interesting.

But hot damn is this boring to watch for someone who's not already super interested in the WoWS competitive scene.

>>166978647
I don't know I manage it, I citadel bismarck's in my bismarck during brawls.

>>166978447
just play missouri)))))

radar BB is 100% balanced i promise

>>166978687
When WG nerf the smoke to not let BBs camp on it that'll change.

>>166978926
You'd think that a naval game would be less campy than Malinovka, Prokhorovka, and old El Halluf, and yet here we are.

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>>166979059
GOTTA, GO, FAST

>>166978647
>citpenned Tirpitz's with my Fuso
>citpenned Hippers with my Ducky
You just gotta have the magic touch.
And good RNG.

>>166978189
>More incompetent than blizzard.
And how many popular AAA titles have you published ?

>>166979335

>>166979283
>our players need to go fast and ships are too slow
>pre-order now to unlock our soviet river boat that could only reach 17 knots
What a shitshow.

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>>166979464
The Alpha has been such a shit show. I really hope it gets better.

I'll admit, it's A LOT more fun than the tank battles, and fighting off dive/torpedo bombers with main guns is fun as fuck. Sinking a enemy ship by just shooting thousands of .50 caliber holes is 15/10

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>>166979464
Hopefully the void overtakes them and a paid game gets made with the assets.

Just look how pretty this shit is.

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>>166978647
USN Floaty™ shells are magical when plunging through the upper armor belt/deck and straight into the citadel. Even better because German BBs tend to show broadsides all the time thinking that they won't be punished for it.

>>166979601
Are those two T-34-85 turrets strapped onto a bote?

>>166979708
Yes.

>>166979721
Glory be to the Motherland's shipyards!

>>166979576
It doesn't look appealing at all.
The major draw to boats is playing historic boats you like. The audience that wants to drive an iowa or a yamato for example is much much larger than the handful of WW2 speedboat aficionados.

Warthunder really lost its way years ago.

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>>166979335
I'll take the bait.

>WoW dying like never before
>Hurtstone getting more and more an RNG shitfest and it's officially a meme to call it """competetive"""
>HotS? literally who
>Diablo 3 BlizzCon '16 announcement: You want Diablo 4? LOL HERE'S ANOTHER CLASS, HAVE FUN GEARING THAT FUCKER UP XD btw it costs shekels so get your wallet ready fuccboi
>Onlywatch getting the "balancing" treatment right now, losing players at a steady rate
Also nice """"competetive scene"""" LUL

There's a reason Chris Metzen jumped a sinking ship.

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>>166979887
I know. At least it's /fun/ even if it's not the boats I expected it to be. Then again, I play WT and WoT/WoWs for a lot of different reasons.

I just fucked up, guys. I sold my Edinburgh to buy the Neptune. Did I fuck up, or is the Neptune not that bad? How do I play it?

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>>166979059
The biggest problem at this point is that WG is utterly inept at setting things up that stop camping.

Just look at WoT.
The idea there was that scouting and arty could counter camping TDs which could counter attacking heavies which could smash teh medium tanks which could stop teh scouting lights which could easily kill arty or scout for arty.

And then they fucked up everything because gold ammo made armor useless (this practically killed the 'heavy tank moving forward' concept), corridor maps made TDs stupidly OP until they just plain removed enough cover to make TDs practically useless for a while.
But they let arty still effectively oneshot anything it managed to hit, especially when they got around to adding scouts that could actually scout.

Then they threw in t10 meds that had guns that were even more stupid, added autoloaders taht could delete whatever they ran into in one drum because it will totally make people more agressive if they know that there are tanks around that can just plain kill them in ten seconds on the field, amirite?

WoWS went through similar troubles with the designed concepts simply not materializing in-game in the way they were intended.
The easiest solution right now would be to make damage less spikey, by reducing citadel damage and compensating this by raising normal AP damage (preferably by reducing the bounces, not by increasing the damage per hit)

Unfortuantely, such a change would require somethig like the sandbox server, but Wg refuses to even discuss this concept even though the community has been asking for such a testing out radical mechanics changes since the alpha.

>>166980046
What a pudgy bote.

>>166979464
>that could only reach 17 knots
Actually according to Sikret Archives, it could go 45 knots)))))))

>>166978010
>Russian BBs
>Anticipated branch
Am I the only one who is scared of this branch?

>>166979973
>a sinking ship.
Only in your revenge fantasies, Overwatch competitive is still going strong even in tiny yuropoor countries.

>>166980162
I just want some fresh slav memes.

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>>166980104
B-But my flying boats anon.

What if Russian BBs turn out to be shit?

>>166980230
Nice butterface.

>>166980101
>preferably by reducing the bounces
Give everyone USN CA autobounce? Than what USN CA should get

>>166980241
>Russian
>Shit
HAHAHAHAHAHA
The tier 4 will be a Nikolai variant with 3 turrets instead of 4.

>>166980308
Please don't' bully fat flying botes.

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>>166980230
wait
WAIT
They supports six engines now?

B-36 fucking when?

Is this the War Thunder thread? Where am I?

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>>166980367
Nigga they have turboprops in the game now.

;_; British CV/BB's when

>>166980309
>Than what USN CA should get
How about better pen angles and more armor pen like the heavy AP caps had historically?

>>166980431
More like warblunder
The last time I had fun in that game was 1.27.

>>166980479
Wow.

I bet the higher BRs are still completely cancerous thanks to a complete absence of balance, so why even bother.

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>>166980576
))))))))))))))) do not of worry, 1950 turbo prop more than fair fight for 1940's Bf-109. Balance is fine )))))

Warblunder makes WoT and WoWs look like a PERFECTLY balanced game

>>166980501
>and more armor pen
Discounting imaginary shells of Zao, Des Moines/Baltimore already have best 203mm AP pen. And Pensacola/Cagepolis/NO also leave T6-9 IJN far behind.
>better pen angles
What does that even mean

>>166980690
Yeah, I had a hearty laugh when I first saw their tank trees a while back, too.

Where's the loop on Loop?

>>166980981
>Discounting imaginary shells of Zao, Des Moines/Baltimore already have best 203mm AP pen. And Pensacola/Cagepolis/NO also leave T6-9 IJN far behind.
Yes, I know. Everyone knows this.

The question asked was 'what does the USN get when everyone gets more pen'.
The answer is 'they get even more pen to maybe not be complete shit'.
That will not be enough, but as a first step to stop the US cruisers from bein dogshit it might do.

>better pen angles
>What does that even mean
Reduced autobounce angles like the RN gets.

It's all wishful thinking anyway, WG will not reduce the citpen damage becuase the baBBies will whine, even though they whine about taking so much damage from citpens at the same time.
It's literally baBBie doublethink.

>>166981238
>Reduced autobounce angles like the RN
If Des Moines gets RN autobounce, BB would cry, hard. It is not like it is a bad thing, it is just that WG would kill Dess, after listening to BB crowd.
Also, as of right now, T7-10 USN CA have better autobounce. Than everyone else. Except RN

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>tfw no H-44 KM monster
I just want to obliterate citpussy with 50.8 cm

>>166981042
It throws your mind into a Loop.

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>>166981042
It's any German BBs in the match, because they're a bunch of fruit loops. It's just another example of WG letting their fetishes dictate game design.

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USN CV's with twin torpedo bombers when?

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>still no USN tier 8 goy boat

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England prevails

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>>166982413
Someday.

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>>166982620

>>166982620
How's Edinburgh? Just cleared the Fiji, not enough credits to buy Edinburgh tho.

>>166973580
What happened to that ship?

>>166983195
Edinburgh gets the T8 module slot and its heal becomes the superpowered version that Neptune/Mino also get.

Basically Fiji a tier higher with some minor improvements.

>>166983195
It's Fiji with Wolverine heal and 10km torp

>Emerald in a tier 7 game
>110k damage
>4 kills
>It's a defeat
>top of the team
>Our tier 7's didn't do shit

Let me off this ride

>>166983371
Meanwhile other T8 cruisers don't get any heal

>>166983253
big waves in a storm

>>166983536
They get HE, is of balans tovarisch)))))))

RN battleships when?

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How do you identify a bot?

>>166983892
They make beep boop noise

>>166983892
Bots typically talk shit about the team and end up in the bottom half of the team score at the end.

>>166983892
Bots stalk people and shitpost them on 4chan

>>166983992
My god, we're all bots!

>>166983918
>>166983992
>>166984067
Ok but seriously. Is there a way to identify a bot in game?
Just had New Dawn, lemming line to B, tried to talk to them, no one spoke, just line to B, died, lose game. Bots?

>>166984067
But Lunatic does it for the memes and bants!

>>166984134
BBs on or near the blue line that only shoot HE
ships that appear afk but start shooting or moving as soon as they take a hit or an enemy comes near
ships that move to a cap point, and then derp around there for minutes despite no enemy movement near them

>>166984134
CV is probably easiest class to script bot
I saw some CV that just autodrop on the first thing they saw and back their ship to the blue line

>>166983253
It tanked a typhoon.

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I thought Prinz was a Hipper class?

What are all these other Battleships. I don't know what has more fake ships anymore.

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>>166984727
What about Atago class?

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>>166984835
>>166984727
Or Shigure Class.

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>>166984867
>>166984835
Doesn't look like they're in there.

>>166984983
>>166984727
What game?

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>>166984727
>>166984983
hoy4 has lots of paper ships.
Take this Japanese superlong carrier for example.

I don't want to get rid of in-game for every ship, how do I get rid of it for one ship only?

>>166985035
HoI4 with BI

>>166985038
Damn thing gonna broke when steer

>>166984727
>I thought Prinz was a Hipper class?
She was, but ther were some minor difference between the Hippers.


>What are all these other Battleships. I don't know what has more fake ships anymore.
Blücher there is SMS Blücher, teh ultimate 'protected cruiser' and proof that battlecruisers indeed can kill protected cruisers.

'Yorck' appears to be a Mackensen class BC. Essentialy a BC version of the Bayern.

P and O class are self-explanatory.

The thing that is labelled 'Schlesien' is obviously a Deutschland/Lützow class Panzerschiff.

'Hindenburg' there is H39. H41 and H44 are clear.

Seydlitz is one of the Hippers finished as a CV.

Europa is a rebuilt passenger liner, or maybe it was a CV design that used the machinery from a liner, I don't remember.

Jade was a project to rebuild some freighter into a CVL.

>>166985075
I need to get that but it seems like a huge time sink I don't have time for.

>>166984983
>Ibuki there is what we got as Zao.

Fuck you, Ibuki was actually built and was planned to lok like what we call Ibuki in WoWS before they rebuilt her as a carrier.

>>166985386
No you don't, it's terrible and receives very little support from paradox compared to even stellaris.

>>166982694
>Alabama
>people will flock to buy this them thing and think it's a giant Middle Finger towards WG because muh Alabama ST
>MFW

>>166985792
you forgot a face haruna

>>166985482
Well you also have to remember, at the start of the game you can build the Yamato or Kongo, with the congo being 1000% more efficient to build compared to the Yamato.

>>166986040
I played HoI3 years ago, and the production system was also FUBAR there.
Kinda sad that they didn't unfuck it for HoI4.

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Wait a sec, does this new upgrade in slot 2 that reduces hydro CD by 20% suddenly make German DDs good?

>>166985792
Nah, it'll be free xp only like Mizzurah.

>>166986406
>suddenly make German DDs good?
Why?

Don't you die on me thread

>>166985375
>'Yorck' appears to be a Mackensen class BC. Essentialy a BC version of the Bayern.
It's probably the 'Ersatz Yorck', a battlecruiser project that improved on the Mackensen

>>166986406
no

>>166986406
>>166986562
What's wrong with German DDs?

Does the brit cruiser line start getting good at leander?

>>166987261
>What's not wrong with German DDs?

>>166987331
Are you autistic? Tell me what's wrong with German DDs. You haven't even played the line.

>>166987286
Yes, your shells become decent, and ship isn't made of citadelium anymore. Only part of it

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>TFW Spammist (Haruna for you newfags) got me another T10

Yay!

>>166987396
>Tell me what's wrong with German DDs.
They are like a bad mix of US and RU DDs, and are visible from the moon whenever they fire a gun.
But they get hydro ;°^)

With the new module, teh cooldown of hydro is the same as the operating time of hydro, which was now implied to make them non-shit.
This implication is in error.

The only semi usable German DDs are Z-23 for cruiser-gun-on-a-DD memery, and Z-52 because it gets 60 s reload torps which can make people flood to daeth while they helplessly rage in chat.

It's a meme line, and it remains a meme line even with the shorter cooldown on hydro.

>>166973563
surprise, its shit on both occasions.

2plons is overrated

>>166980309
15° normalization

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>>166988063
>Spammist

>>166984134
there are macroers who just press w 4 times and wait for the match to end.

>>166987396
the only reason they are not worse that ijn is that they have useable guns andncan shoot them down in a gunfight.

this will ofc kill the german dd wich is slower, more visible and cant smoke to save its ass, thus ensuring everyone on the enemy team can shoot at it.

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>Surveillance Radar Mod 1 can go on DDs
DDs with radar confirmed.

I wonder which nation will get those.

>>166988591
Yeah, he's nice and plays on my account for free. I got two T10 ships now because of it.

>>166988294
as a ibuki player i urge anyone to play russians instead of german.

i met the t10 german dd in battle many times. it was sad and disgraceful. they did not deserved this and i am a fan of DDs.

>>166988528
Normalization is standardized now.

>>166988528
And what do you take? PM?

>>166988942
What's your IGN?
I need it so I can report you to WG for sharing accounts as it is against the EULA.

>>166988987
on a BB its okay, on a DD there arent many choices thanks to the very tiny hp of your shit and of course noploons, on a CA pm is arguably useless thanks to the fact you are more likely to die that to lose turrets, but so is 2plons so its like your flavor of uselessness.

>>166989075
Epic my friend. He's helping out anons and escaping the learning curve and you just want to get him banned like that?

>>166989145
2plons I decent on the CAs that actually use it just because they didn't get the nerfed ones, so they get the full long duration plons compared to the 1 minute long BB ones.

>>166989263
>and escaping the learning curve
Why do you keep posting this?

>>166989263
>escaping the learning curve
That explains why so many ppl play at tier 10 like it's their first battle.

>>166989286
honestly wish we could get a skill to control the plons

a cv will just plow then plons and a DD shouldnt waste time on a ship thats paying attention to torps, let alone one that can dodge them without early warning

>>166989308
The learning curve is a real thing?

>>166989442
looking at torps is a hard thing.

angling is hard! specially when you surround yourself with enemies!

hitting citadels is hard. everyone keeps moving

dodging is hard! even the bbs move after being shot at!

etc. honestly if someone cant do well on tier 5~6 they never will

>>166989506
Well not everyone is perfect after their first battle. Some prefer to play on several accounts to escape the learning curve while others pick up the pace faster.

>>166989442
Not after 3800 games it isn't.

>>166989591
Why not 3900?

>>166989643
Because the game isn't complicated enough to need anywhere near that many.

>>166989676
What part of "not everyone is a ultra deluxe super amazing being" is difficult to understand.

>>166989710
The part where I know you're just trying to start shitposting about haruna or whatever the fuck it is he calls himself these days.

>>166989578
>dividing your progress to hide the fact you are bad
what?

i got light blue under 900 battles but every time i touch a BB or a CV im a tomato, that doesnt means ill make a new account just to untomati myself for cv or bb

>>166989874
Some people are special :^)

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>>166990035
*autistic manchild screeching speech about gitting gud*

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i actively refuse to belive ranked will stay at tier 7

what are the meta ships for tier 9?

>>166987207
>The thing that is labelled 'Schlesien' is obviously a Deutschland/Lützow class Panzerschiff.
Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Schlesien

>>166990317
>i actively refuse to belive ranked will stay at tier 7
Why?
It's the moneymaking tier for them.

>>166990317
T9 meta would be full of DDs and CA/CL

>>166990327
meant for
>>166985375

>>166990327
Look at the icon.

>>166990317
Taiho, FdG, Fletcher and maybe a Dm. Donskoi.
Nothing else can really compare.

>>166990382
This is Black Ice right? I don't play with it because it's pointless autism and the Schlesien in vanilla is in fact the pre-dreadnought I posted

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>>166990446
once again i dont have ships for it.

i guess i should grind ru sheeps

>>166988294
It's the future for all dds :^))))

>>166990317
>>166990446
Missouri/Iowa, Fletcher/Black, Donskoi (radar only)/Ibuki (very subjective but still okay IMO), Taiho

>>166990514
Maybe it is, the icon is still that of a panzerschiff.

Also, why would they imply that there was a Schlesien class?
SMS Schlesien was a ship of the Deutschland class.

>>166990686
why iowa, AAA?

ibuki would only add invisifire to this, would it really be a okay choice?

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Wait so ranked will still be t7 after r15? Are they really going to make ranked even more grindy and boring? T9 at least has Missouri wich would kind of counter the smoke meta.

>>166990821
Bow-on meta in Ranked (DD smokes for BBs to sit inside and shoot)

Ibuki is logical choice considering it's very similar to Atago.

>>166990820
Probably to avoid confusion because there were the Deutschland class Panzerschiffe, but also the aforementioned Deutschland class Pre-dreads. Another thing worth mentioning is the SMS Schleisen is one of the two ships of that class you get in your starting Baltic fleet.

>>166990543
Why?
They're not going to change it to T9. They can't make money of premiums there, and it's nowhere near as accessible as T7 is for players.

>>166990897
At least in PTS it's T7 all the way.

Mostly domination mode except a couple of Epicenter battles.

>>166990936
atago is only okay because it heals

a bong cl could do better because it can smoke and likely still do wonders against DDs

>>166991041

Edinburg x Atago doujin when?

>get my first T9 cruiser
>mfw I literally have an extra 25-30k HP thanks to heals now
I don't think I can play a tier 8 or lower cruiser again, the carry potential is so much higher now that the DD I chase down doesn't take a quarter of my hp with his guns that I can't heal back, why don't all cruisers past maybe tier 5 get heals?

>>166991206
You could play bongs, they get heal at tier 4.

>>166991206
would be bad for bbs ))))))

honestly tho there really should be either heal or smoke for cruisers.

like how khab will be )))))))

>>166991267
I do, I have the Fiji, as I mentioned giving a cruiser a heal means he doesn't have to baby his health and panic about fires, It honestly feels like the other cruiser lines are from an older version of the game.

>>166991294
Giving everyone smoke would kind of fuck up the map more than it already can be, but giving out heals all over the place would be a good thing. Even if most cruisers just got the crappy heal like the mid tier bongs get it'd make a lot of difference.

>game with carriers
>enemy has Taihou, we have Essex
>Taihou is going around deleting all the BBs with 4 waves of torpedo bombers and saying it's fun and engaging gameplay
>then says >tfw Essex thinks he's making a difference but still have 17 reserve bombers
>never had a chance
REMOVE CVNTS

>>166991041
Oh yeah I have forgotten about the britbongs since I never touched them yet.

Ideally they would do well against broadsided DDs and BBs, but what are the chances you get such situation on a T9 Ranked? Maybe they can be the smoke sluts for their own BBs :^)

>>166991692
they can torp and should still be able to deal something against superstructures.

real issue lies on lolnofires and the hopes that ap damage not being healed back will play a role on this

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>>166985038
>there's other map painting simulator players here
Based.
The fact that it almost always goes off the rails makes for some pretty memetastic screenshots.

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>>166991393

>It honestly feels like the other cruiser lines are from an older version of the game.
And then you understand why so much shit is imbalanced when you apply it to most other lines.
USN CVs were the first CV line
IJN AND USN BBs were the first lines for BBs
USN and IJN cruisers were the first lines
IJN and USN DDs were first as well.

They will update the lines to the current state of the game or let them wither and die.

>>166991864
this reminds me i should bail ijn ca before invisifire nerf gets implemented

>>166991864
At least USN DD's are top dog instead of being irrelevant trash.

>>166992016
There was a time when they were irrelevant trash. It was only after they got a bunch of buffs that they became the best line.
Not to mention the IJN DDs also getting nerfed for as long as I can remember.

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>>166992094
>tfw excite for funbucket at tier 6
>supernerfed torps, nerfed guns, no concealment mod so nerfed stealth
:^(

>>166992201
Nothing of value was lost.

>>166992201
Everything about the line split was shit except downtiering mutsuki.

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>>166991975
Just go RU

>>166992016
https://na.warships.today/vehicles
For the past two weeks no.
This meme needs to stop. They are actually only good at t4. At t7 they are the worst performing ship DD wise.
In the rest tiers they are in the middle of the pack where they should be. They aren't top dog, they just are the only USN line to be where they should be. No other USN line is the same.

>>166992094
Yeah, I remember this too.

>>166992287
>shiratsuyu 54%
>akatsuki 48%
Wargaming balans )))))))))

>>166992287
what if i wanna into bong cl?

>>166992274
Hatsuharu and Funbucket are better tier 6s than Mutsuki ever was.

Shiratsuyu is a better tier 7 than Hatsuharu ever was.

Kagero is essentially the same but is now at least only tier 8, even if she still sucks.

Yuugumo is a better tier 9 than Kagero ever was, though yeah, she still sucks.

Mutsuki still sucks but at least got downtiered.

Minekaze got whapped by the nerfbat hard.

Akatsuki is alri-7.5KM DETECTION LMAO.

All in all, I think the line split was a mild overall buff to the line, though it's still pretty stinky overall.

>>166992667
the torps got nerfed even harder and the detection is the same

they are easier to detect, cant gunfight better and cant torp to compensate

>>166992619
Bong cl are good, but emerald is a literal trash heap. Its basically a tier 5 danae that cant bully new players as regularly. Its guns are shit and its made of citadel.

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>>166992619
>what if i wanna into bong cl?

The line pretty much starts at t6, everything else is shitty trash in comparison.

>>166992775
This.

>>166992667
>split happened
>given an upgraded akatsuki
>my formerly upgraded hatsuharu is now stock
Fucking wargaming.

>>166992667
Really the problem wasn't with any of the specific ship changes, it's that none of it changed the fact that they're still torpedobotes (apart from Ducky, which is a fun bote) and thus are going to be kind of shit no matter what because this game just doesn't cater for torpedo focused ships now. They just rely too much on the other team being complete morons to be consistent but by that same nature when they encounter a team that is just completely brainless they can rack up stupid scores and thus there are people who still think they're not hot garbage.

>>166992885
i see ill have a lot of fun and engaging experience on bong cl.

>>166992885
>tfw got to skip all the garbage thanks to the Christmas event
Thanks WG.

>>166992923
>halven torpedo launchers in ship
>halven damage on them
>the rest is now supercavity torpedoes
would anyone pick this choice?

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>Be DD
>Shoot torps which take 2minutes to reload and hit maybe 1-2 per salvo if I'm lucky for 30k damage

>Be BB
>Shoot shells which take 30s to reload and hit maybe 5-6 shells per salvo for 20k

>>166992667
It's really funny how Kagerou get lesser torps than the Akatsuki but gets twice the reload.

>>166993275
>every BB salvo is 20k
What did he mean by this?

>>166993275
But potential damage on torps are higher)))))))))))

>>166993275
even their average damags per tier shows how much difference there is between the 2 classes

>>166993417
Something something more damage than HP

>>166992287
>hurr durr stats
Look at the number of battles played for tier 7 destroyers, retard.

>>166993621
a poor mechanic to measure performance due to heals and lack of means to determine kills per match

doing low damage and finishing wounded enemies is better that to leave everyone alive with 5k left of their hp

Are DD's the next class to go the way of the CV?

>>166993783
It's more like each ship should be dealing about their HP in damage, and DDs can do more than 5x the amount and people are unhappy about it.

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>>166993834
>implying DDs aren't the most OP shit
>can stealthfire
>have torpedoes that always hit
>can smoke
>can't be hit
Fuck those shit, glad they are getting nerfed.

>>166994094
t. BB main

>>166994170
WG agrees with that sentiment, so you're out of luck here.

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>>166992667
The split also nerfed the guns for no good reason. Before, the turret traverse and reload were pretty awful against other DDs, but the good alpha and fire chance helped offset that. After the rework, WG nerfed the alpha and firechance, without any decent buffs to RoF or turret traverse. Moreover, they reworked skills shortly thereafter, making it impossible to get a decent torp/gunbote hybrid as before.

And despite all the blatant GUN nerfs, they insist that players should stop relying on torpedoes and adapt. Their defnition of "adapt" seems to be "just give up and accept you're useless in every single way to your counterparts".

>>166994297
But the Yuugumo get good guns. :^)

>>166994343
No it doesnt. It's a piece of shit.

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>>166994367
))))))))

>>166994343
So does the Fletcher and Udaloi :^)

>>166994471
But Fletcher and Udaloi don't need to waste a two-point skill just to be able to use their turrets against anything faster than a Fort.

:^)

>>166994549
You just need to point your guns at your enemy before they spot you. :^)

>>166994549
And unlike any of the others the Fletcher gets good torpedoes. :^)

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>>166994462
>it's not a nerf, we just made it more challenging
this fucking quote right there, I love it

>>166994579
They even put a kill in the game just for that too. :^)

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/command-and-conquer/

>25%

its fucking nothing!

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>>166994756
>Literally is something
>Wow it's nothing!

>>166994964
learn math faggot

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>>166994989
1*1.25=25% more exp
woah... it's... LITERALLY... something...................

>>166979601
Hey, I recognize those machine gun turrets.

>>166992667
>remove long range torps so DDs doesn't torp from the backline
>give Fubuki and Akatsuki super huge detection range
>gets spotted by all DDs at that tier except for the Mahan and RU DDs
>still nerf HE damage and fire chance so it encourages more torp spamming instead
>radar, hydro and planes
>this encourages long range torpping instead
Best decision made.

>>166994634
It is so universal.
>Baltimore detection is now 15km
>It is not a nerf, we just made it more challenging

>>166993275
You mean
>be BB
>Shoot shells which take 30s to reload and hit maybe 5-6 shells per salvo for 4k over-penetrations/shatters

>>166995642
they can't be wrong, they have their statistics :^)

>>166989075
Issm

>>166995642
dont forget about adding radar and hydro on ships other than cruisers

>>166989145
>Not even mentioning Priority Target
Shitter detected

>>166991692
I had an Edinburgh with radar on my team once last season. He played to good effect.

>>166991864
You think KM cruisers are imbalanced in their favour?

>>166992667
>They just moved the ships around, now you have a T8 at T6))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Yeah, just ignore the global HE nerf that took away the only aspect of their guns that made them worth using.

>>166993843
>It's more like each ship should be dealing about their HP in damage
Yes, DDs only deserve to take 20% of a BB's health before they get deleted. Nice balans work tovarisch)))))))))

>>166997074
you're a retard if you take priority target

>>166997598
Not him, but I can see it being useful on some situations.
But yeah, I always choose PM or the planes.

>>166984727
>I thought Prinz was a Hipper class?
Prinz Eugen was originally intended to be a light cruiser version of Hipper, with 4 of Nurnberg's 150mm triple turrets. The Kriegsmarine revered to the 203mm twin turrets before construction even started, but Prinz was still a slightly modified design. 2 more of the Prinz Eugen subclass were laid down, Seydlitz and Lutzow. Seydlitz was in the process of conversion to a CVL but never completed, and Lutzow was sold to the Soviets (who renamed it Petropavlovsk) but also never completed.

>>166997598
Wow you sure convinced me with those hot opinions

>>166998305
>Seydlitz was in the process of conversion to a CVL
What is up with Germany never going down the true superiority line when they had the chance?

>>166998305
>Prinz Eugen was originally intended to be a light cruiser version of Hipper,
Where can I read more about this

>>166985375
>Blücher there is SMS Blücher, teh ultimate 'protected cruiser' and proof that battlecruisers indeed can kill protected cruisers.
Armored cruiser. Protected cruisers were the ones with only deck armor and no belt armor.

Armored cruisers were the pre-dreadnought equivalent of battlecruisers. Or at least some of them were. There was a huge size range for armored cruisers, with the biggest being equal in size to contemporary battleships and the smaller ones just being protected cruisers with extra armor. The latter came to be called "light armored cruisers", which got contracted to "light cruisers."

Blücher was built to counter the Invincible-class battlecruisers, but German intelligence was completely wrong about what kind of armament HMS Invincible would carry. They though it was being built with 12 9.2" guns in twin turrets, so Germany designed Blücher with 12 of their own 8.3" guns in twin turrets and armor to match (since German guns at that time tended to outperform British guns of even slightly larger caliber). Too bad for them, HMS Invincible was actually carrying 8 12" guns, which Blücher's armor was no match for.

Since Blücher was as fast as a battlecruiser, it was assigned to battlecruiser squadrons despite its inferior firepower and armor (by German standards that is; its armor was actually better than most British battlecruisers).

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Is it so people can buy their way into it?

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OH BOY WHAT WILL IT BE?

>>166998940
Some useless flags.

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OH MY GOD

>>166999118
What the fuck.

>>166998940
Prinz Eugen

>>166998940
$1000000 Credits

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what could it be?

>>166999956
after you get flint, do you have to win 5 more times or just 2?

If you're on NA and played a T8-TX ship today, could you upload a screenshot of "credits XP" if your base XP is 1.6k+. Make sure everything in commander XP is visible.

t. stats-kun

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>>166999956
a reskin of already existing ship with OP consumable

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>>166999891
>>166999769
>>166998978

>>166999118
Damn, Nikolay's deck is so empty, you can play football there.

Hi, I haven't played this for a year, is there still aimbot in the game now?

>>166998305
inb4 Petropavlovsk prem (like Prince Eugen, but with Stalinium ammo)

>>167000963
sadly not.

>>167000963
not anymore, Mako and the gang quit because of it.

>>167000963
yes, but it is cheaper longterm to just buy a premium (paytowin) the a hackpack subscription.

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>French BB line still not announced

>>166997598
You're a retard if you take catapult slowbros.
Any cv with a tiny amount of skill will wait for the gap and drop then.

>>166992885
>everything else is shitty trash in comparison.
You're shitty trash if you can't handle Black Swan and Danae.

>BBs on both teams sit at 20 km from the caps and either snipe or punish anyone that doesn't play the game like a sailing simulator so the game ends by points while you don't get more than 10k damage because you're a CA with only 16 km range
Working as intended )))))))))))))))) just some strategic gameplay tovarisch ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>167001848
>not getting close
>not getting spotted by enemy DDs
You're playing the game wrong))))))))))))))))

>>166984294
>I saw some CV that just autodrop on the first thing they saw and back their ship to the blue line

Low insight detected. This is what all new cv players do.

>>166984134
>tried to talk to them, no one spoke
If you were screaming at them to do what you demanded, maybe they just ignored you.

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>>167002052

>Low insight detected. This is what all new cv players do.
There is no official WG guide anyway.

>>167001105
what is this hackpkack

>>167002664
memes

>>166999956
USS-1488 Nigger

>>166988873
RN

>>166974628
>103 killed, 201 wounded


And I've never even heard of this before. RIP

>>166999956
How should a shitter play epicentre?

>>167004058
play a t7 nip DD and send 10km torp walls into a smoke filled centre

>>167004058
Alt+f4, uninstall or just die while your entire team are behind the islands.

>>167004542
>enemies push a little
>your team move further away from the cap area
I can already see most of the post battle results.

IFHE for KM CLs?

Every match today seems to be ending by points with at least 6 BBs alive ,what's happening?

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>>166992885
>he can't crush games with tier 1-6 RN cls

how can you be so bad at it

>>167005445

>how can you be so bad at it
I used free exp to Leander

>>166994462
>stealth torpedo gameplay was transformed
Yeah no shit it was.

By a series of nerfs to torps.
IJN torp range nerf, IJN torp detectability nerf, IJN DD line split (fucking RU DD detectability on a shitty IJN DD that can only ''''''''''''''''stealth'''''''''''''torp, so fun and excite))))))))))))))
Fucking catapult planes everywhere. Two of them per ship lately.
Hydro on fucking everything as soon as you step into a t5 ship becasue lol why even bother with barrage?
if the enemy CVnt is t9 or t10 he can still delete a baBBy barrage or no barrage, if he's t8 and below the AA and 9001 catapult fighters on the blobbing baBBies just kill all bombers anyway.

if they renamed your name in the forums how long does it take before it changes the one in-game?

>>166998457
You know, that whole bit where you are stuck in an apocalyptic land war against the Soviet Union with a fron line from somewhere on the arctic cirlce to the black sea while helping the fucking Italians not to lose against three South Africans and two donkeys in wongo-wongo land or wherever the stupid pastaboys were goofing around at that point while fighting the mother of all submarine commerce wars and the fuckhugest air war in history might've had something to do with it.

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Let's ignore the Australian NEET, autists stalking unicums on NA and enjoy original content.

>>167006673
Fuck you, baBByman

>>167006673
you mean lunatic?

>>167006673
fuck am I watching?

>>167005282
It would help K and Nberg, but you'd lose any appreciable benefit as soon as you get yorck, so I'd say it's not worth the retrain cost.

>>167006920
>CL
>Yorck

>>167007096
I'm not saying Yorck is a CL, I'm saying that it's not worth getting HEAP on the two CLs if you have any intention of moving that captain up the line.

>>166998796
Yeah, I know.

I tend to mix those up when I miss a night's sleep because my first language is German, which means a lot of the shit I read about that topic is translated from English to German or just in German (the terminology is noticeably different especially in contemporary sources), and then I translate it back in my head when I type autistic historynerd posts here.

And since I kinda didn't sleep last night, that got mixed up.

Etymology time :^)
'Protected cruiser' literally translates to 'Geschützter Kreuzer' in German, but was often referred to as 'Panzerdeck-Kreuzer', literally 'armored deck cruiser'.
Now compare this to the 'armored cruisers', literally 'Panzerkreuzer', and you can maybe see how this gets mixed up in your head when you'te running on sugar and caffeine instead of actual sleep.

>>167007276
Well the question was about the CLs so your answer wasn't very helpful.

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>finally grab shimazake
>completely suck with her stock form

>>167007424
just free XP the first torps
they're the only good ones now

>>167007420
Read the part saying
>It would help K and Nberg
I assume you know how HEAP works already regarding exactly how it would help.

>>167006673
nani the fuck?

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buDDy i think you got the wrong ocean

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Who decided that this dragon thing is good idea?

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>>167008190
The same people that brought you the all-gold Type 59

>>167006317
>if they renamed your name in the forums how long does it take before it changes the one in-game?
One lunar cycle.

>>167008263
And by "you" I mean the paying people of China and people who are not Chain.

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>>167005754
>I used free exp to Leander

>>167002528
>There is no official WG guide anyway.
This we agree on. As a cv player I cringe when I hear about a bad carrier player fucking up someone's game.

>>167008310
thanks