XCOM General - /xcg/

pistols are utility

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>Most common complaint about XCOM 2 is that the combat revolves entirely on alpha striking

>LW2 fixes this

Hey coo-

>But the optimal way to play is to literally never fire a shot

LW2 is trash.

Why you guys say there is no pirate version of long war 2? I found one.

>>166148746
>boo-hoo now I have to actually setup opportunities for good shots instead of just nuking the pod from orbit

What mod do you guys use to add Resistance DLC armor options to normal kevlar and beyond? I can't find one that includes them

I just want my dirtied XCOM EW armor repost

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>>166149095
>You in charge of reading comprehension

I literally said them nerfing alpha striking was good you dumb fucking inbred.

Let me expand so your tiny, negroidic mind can follow.

The biggest problem with XCOM 2 was that combat had 0 depth. It was kill or be killed in 1 turn. People wanted the protracted firefights of LW1 that allowed for maneuver and tactics. Destroying terrain, suppression, flanking, flashbanging, chem nades, etc.

Well, LW2 did that. And thats good. Gatecrasher was a blast, getting to have a multi-turn firefight in XCOM 2. It was thrilling and it was challenging. I couldn't wait to keep playing and see what new possibilities would arise from new maps, new enemies and new items.

And then it turns out that the only way to play most missions due to the enormous size of maps and seemingly unchanged timers is to send the smallest possible squad and speedrun to avoid every enemy possible.

See the problem?

People didn't bemoan XCOM 2's lack of stealth. They bemoaned the combat. LW2's brilliant solution was to fix the combat but then make it something you ACTIVELY want to avoid. The feature everyone was most excited for is the one will optimally experience the least.

The whole point of LW2 is to avoid playing LW2. Its a speedrunning game, not a tactical combat game.

pistols are useful

If anyone is interested, heres a small list of custom characters I've made.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlhbhdwkjppbbud/My%20Stuff.bin?dl=0
All you need is CapnBubs Accessories, Custom Face Paints, Xcom 2 International Voices Pack, and GrimStyleArmor

Anybody else think that Infiltration is kind of fucked right now? I'm passing up missions left and right but generally it seems that the only way to get anywhere close to 100% infiltration is to only send 4 soldiers, which makes anything other than an "Extremely Light" baseline next to impossible. And choosing to load up your squad and do almost no infiltration isn't much better, especially when the timers are so restrictive and the map is filled with pods.

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>>166148521
Kevlar for playable sneks when?

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How many faceless, voiceless soldiers do you have on your squad?

>>166149790
That's the curse of the Long War team. They have tons of great ideas but they're disgustingly awful at balance and will make the game literally impossible because muh challenge

>>166149542
Xcom 2 lore is that you lost and you're now a guerilla. The whole thing is that you have to pick your fights wisely. You can skip a pod, but you're risking getting it on your ass later on. You can sneak out a VIP out of a city pretty easily, but by doing that you're not leveling up anyone and ADVENT will eventually get tired of your shit. And many mission types cannot be done 100% hidden

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>>166150000
Cute Vipers are always great.

>>166150713
I remember requesting that way back
a pity that its fuzzy

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fug

>>166150786

i mean we can't see the turn timer but this is super doable if you're not trash. (you probably are.)

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>>166150786
ripperonis

>>166150786
what to do in this situation: throw a grenade and hope it kills a few of them, flashbang them all, or overwatch ambush?

>>166151516
Flashbang, most of them will run to the car for cover. Grenade car.

Sooo... I got a few lucky missions and got a lead to some sort of network tower (or whatever it is). But the thing is I dont even have sergants yet. Nor lazor rifles. Should I try to do it? Or is it really hard and I'm gonna get fucked?
Posting again cuz new thread

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>>166151037
>>166151108
>>166151516
Rookie is love. Rookie is life.

>>166148815
link?

Steam-bros, can you please upload this mod somewhere? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=626804565
Author didn't uploaded it on nexus

>>166152035
http://rutor.info/torrent/546064/xcom-2-digital-deluxe-edition-long-war-2-update-8-5-dlc-2016-pc-repack-ot-xatab

inb4: >russian
i'm pretty sure if i found it on first russian torrent i checked you'll find it on any other

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these loading screens are pretty neat

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>>166152540
ye

i just got the most fucking bullshit gatecrasher map ive ever seen


every pod was clustered into 3 buildings with max cover while i had to advance with no cover or flanking opportunities whatsoever

>>166152540
Isn't that the EXALT symbol?

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>>166152386
yeah, i found English torrents too but any of them have the mod files alone, all are isos or repacks and ain't downloading the whole game again...
Let's wait, maybe someone upload it.

>not wanting to play metal gear xcom

was I the only one who enjoyed doing sabotage facility missions with a single concealment-focused assault?

>>166152808
There is only exe file that need to be cracked, right?

>dude turning xcom into a literal stealth game is a good thing lmao

is there anything more pathetic than a long war dickrider?

>>166152540
>>166152621
They are slightly bugged, the static sound doesnt always play.

>>166153946
No.

I love LW1 and still realize LW2 is shit no one asked for. Neither here nor
>Reddit
did anyone ever say the game needed more reliance on stealth.

You faggots have to be doing something wrong if you're having this much trouble with long dong 2.

I can barely beat a commander ironman game on X2 and I'm having a pretty easy time with it on veteran.

>>166152293
Bump

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>>166149808
>>166150639
>>166151928
>>166152146
IQ is coming along, she's suffering from a case of spaghetti arms at the moment though.

>enemies spam overwatch across the map in heavy cover

>flashbangs do not reach

>11 percent to hit

>cant move up

wow.... such fun

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>>166156027

Good to know.

The game needs all the QT it can get.

Which missions can you get away with a 1-2 man squad?

>>166156615
facility sabotage

since people said my original game was bugged because of my operators not returning after a mission, I lost my decent stat xeno-phile me
Any easy ways to cheat through gatecrasher so I can try to get me back through the rng? Dont really want to spend 10-15 minutes during the op only to get the wrong/no potential

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>Supply raid
>5 days till expire
>Mid-lite enemy force


Dropped 25 intel on it, only had to kill 19 enemies.

Now I've got gauss guns coming and the tier two armor done.

I still haven't seen any avatar project progress or been able to attack the blacksite.

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>>166156027
great job man

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>>166150000
Nice Quads

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>>166156736
forgot pic

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Play on Rookie your first time, no exceptions

Get tactical, equip silencers, leave the hot stuff at home

Some missions require stealth

Some missions require flame throwers

Infiltrate beyond 100%

Know thy enemy

Don't be afraid to evac

Don't be afraid to abort missions

Always move up

Not every enemy must die

Not every soldier must live

If you're bitching there's 8 pods and twelve turns, then leave the mission.

Not every target is a good one

This is not LONG WAR 1

>>166155841
Rreeee, share this shit with me please

The worst thing about long dong 2 is that hacking a door or container reveals your operative.

Why is this a thing?

>>166157064
buy the game ;)

>>166156027
are you currently only doing ports, Uncle G? Or would you be willing to do edits (such as adding vanilla kevlar chests to playable aliens?)

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THIS ENTIRE UNDERTAKING WAS THE PRODUCT OF AN ILL-CONCEIVED PLAN

A SERIES OF SIMPLE MISUNDERSTANDINGS MET WITH AN

OVERZEALOUS RESPONSE

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>>166156987
This.

You're playing guerilla warfare doing hit and run tactics.

Not open war funded by all countries on the globe as a super secret military group.

>>166156040
Out of all of the problems with LW2 this is not one of them. Figure out how to play the game.

>>166157140
I don't have 30$ :c

>reeeee this game isn't LW1
>reeeee i'm getting bullied by ayys
>reeeee why isn't this game LW1
>reeeeei i'll keep eating shit instead of just going and playing LW1

all the dummies in this thread lmao

>>166150000
The playable Snek mods don't allow you to customize them at all, right?
Would be nice to change their scale colors.

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Time to find out what everyone is bitching about. LW2 Gatecrasher time.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0UQdDeCJMp4

>>166156987
good summary of my experiences so far

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>>166157179
Like this?

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>>166157859

>>166157582
it used to be able to. let me get my laptop, hold on
>>166158453
if it is as customizable as the kevlar on the humans then yes i love you

>>166158453
Not him, but that looks real nice.

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>>166157582
>>166158769
You could customize her scales as well as her armor had xcom insignias on the shoulders
mind the shitty resolution

>>166158927
but there was something about the alien hunters dlc that ruined that, so now you just get literal clones

>>166157859
this makes me feel like some skyrim yarl is telling me about the endtimes

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>>166158927
I should do a snake voice pack, for maximum adorable.

>>166159460
im just going to use Dr. Vahlen's voice but hey, if you have a cute voice then sure
post a vocaroo sample anon

>>166156987

don't forget to edit the .ini to get more dmg from your weapons, and bonus supply multipliers

>>166159038
I imagine it might be the Underdeveloped Snakes you find in the Alien Hunter DLC that caused it to break, unless it happened to all aliens.
>>166159460
As in record it your self, or find a fitting voice?
>Inb4 it's just samples of actual snake sounds

>>166159694
>>166159792
Snake as the Snake I posted, here is where she's from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZR-2ub6h4&t=4s

>>166159758
I haven't needed to increase my damage, but I would just invest in clearing out debris to fix your supply problem without making your havens too specialized

>>166156987
>Get tactical, equip silencers, leave the hot stuff at home
Fuck off cheater scum

>>166159845
. . .oh
>No "Yesssssss Commander"
>"Moving to new posssssssisssshun"
>"No lack of targetsssssssss"
>"Earth issssss my new home, too"
>"For the ressssssissstanssssse"

Veteran LW2 is too easy and Commander too hard. What do?

>>166160085
For that we'd need an actual femanon.

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>>166158769
Does the playable aliens mod not work in the character pool? I've replaced the viper model with the kevlar one but it just shows up like this.

>>166160087
Play rookie to get a good high going then play legendary to send you crashing down?

>>166160193
it does not, unfortunately, you'd have to get it in game
Just use console commands/quick start mod
Give yourself 3 viper corpses
Do the Viper Autopsy
then you can make a viper
Sorry for the complications

>>166160087
How far into the LW2 campaign did you get?

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Should i install this game on a SSD?

>>166160518
would probably help with load times

is there a lw2 compatable commander's choice mod?

>>166160518
Yes.

>>166160565
>>166160656
Kk

>enemy is flanked
>he decides to hunker down for some reason
>>30% defense on the shot
why

>>166160932
Hunker Down is a legitimate strategy if you're flanked and need to use 1 of your moves on something else. If all he did was Hunker Down then I don't know what to tell ya.

>>166161218
yeah but how the fuck does crouching under cover make you less vulnerable from the flank

>>166161326
Because Turn-Based games. XCOM is no exception to having illogical abilities.

>>166160085
My Viper voice would be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3lgPazT-NQ

>>166148521
I couldn't get into LW1.

Will I enjoy LW2?

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>>166160372
Well whatever the dlc did to break the customization is affecting my model too, the game just uses the original viper model.

This is how it would look though.

>>166162041
What if you made that into a separate armor slot?

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the only viper we need desu

>>166162041
There has to be a way to make it work...

>>166161985
Why couldn't you get into LW1?

>>166162041
Can you make custom anime heads?

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Wakaliwood voice mod WHEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE

>>166162563
Wow the return of Captain Alex voice pack request anon. I never thought I would see the day.

>>166162663
I never left

I just chose not to repost the request

>>166162202
More Titanfall stuff WHEN?

>>166162041
. . .so does that mean no kevlar sneks?

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Are Scan Sites gone? Or have I just not gotten them yet?

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>>166162767
this!

>>166162957
I think Lump killed scanning sites. THEY DINDU NUFFIN LUMP WHY YOU GONE AND TAKE OUR BABY

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>>166162120
Nope, hasn't worked.

>>166162403
Probably not, rigging faces is a lot work.

>>166163343
damn, sorry you wasted your time, hopefully someone in firaxis would fix this

>>166163343
are you going to delete the files or save them for the off chance that you can use custom files

>>166161985
can't say for certain

>>166163156
probably so you spend more time scanning havens

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>>166163437
>>166163343
Hopefully someone in Firaxis notices this

I really want to play as snek :c

>>166163884
well you still, just that they'll look the same as advent's vipers

>>166157267

>literally using lore to defend a shitty mod for free

jesus christ kill yourself

>>166163987
warning, this has caused a bug to make soldiers stay in infiltrating indefinitely

>>166163437
No problem, I was watching drill sergeant Beagle anyway.

>>166163670
It only took a minute or two to make so it's no big loss if I delete them. The real problem is whatever firaxis did to break the mod's customization.

MY LW2 CRASHES TO DESKTOP WHEN I KILL A BLUE ADVENT TROOPER EVERY TIME

PLEASE HELP

>>166164563
Stop bullying ADVENT Police Officers.

>>166164563
report the bug

>>166162041
Could you Email the Fireaxis team and tell them?

Are there any hair packs that don't include stupid anime hairstyles? There's just so little variety with just vanilla.

Somebody should port the hairs from Fallout 4 or something maybe I should start learning modding so I can do that myself

>>166149790
Put more rebels in the haven on intel and you'll have more time

>>166165050
not him but I tweeted towards both @xcom and @firaxisgames

>>166165137
>complain about variety
>someone should port the fallout 4 hairs
>aka the game where pretty much all the women's hair is the same

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I really like the technical

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>>166157668
>my first mission past gatecrasher is a two-man op
Oh boy, here we go

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Cute Irish butts

I'm getting fucked hard by LW2. Between the timers, my troops constantly getting mind-controlled, and there being a ton of enemies despite thorough infiltration, I haven't been able to complete missions.

Any tips? Should I just knock the difficulty down to "Pussy"? Do I really have to just rush the objective? I keep trying that and I get fucked every time.

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anyone else made a similar soldier?

I'm surprise no one's come up with a custom face mod with sliders and crap for this game. Or I haven't looked hard enough.

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>>166167562
>never spotted
Stealth Rating: Perfect

>>166167971
>diving right into the deep end of a mod designed by someone that takes a player winning as a personal insult
u wot?

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>>166162202

This dude knows what's up.

Are Sectoids more prone to actually shooting in LW2?

~10 runs so far in lw2 L/I
I haven't made it past the first month yet
send help

>>166168660
no

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maybe I shouldn't put so many men on intel duty, I can't possibly carry out all those missions

>>166168660
it seems like they shoot more, yes

>>166168660
I've only encountered two, but each had broken line of sight and rezzed until I stopped them.

>See muton for the first time
>Get scared
>Second muton int the same pod
>Scared ^2
>Both take cover behind the same car
>Have grenadier

Wasn't that bad.

>>166168660
I think a little more, they're a lot trickier necromancers too.

>>166168862
They even necro stuff before being triggered. I'm pretty sure spotting corpses also puts them in an alert state. Or at least hearing combat I'm not sure which is happening there.

how do faceless spy missions work?

How do I tell if Long War 2 is working? Should there be a LW2 splash screen or anything? I have it in my mod folder, but nothing says Long War 2 when I load up.

Yeah, I am pretty much brand new to XCOM. I played vanilla for a couple hours and then ragequit because I was being shot through solid walls and ceilings. I read LW2 alters the AI so figured I'd give it a shot before just quitting entirely.

>>166169162
You're dropped in with the haven commander + 4 generic rookies. I've done two so far, both had 2 pods of ~4 ayys + one faceless. You have to clear the map

>>166169325
it should say "Long war 2" on the campaign button and gatecrasher changes to an assault on a troop column

by the way the shot through walls and stuff may be rectified by this mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=844147782

>>166165361
Good, hope they fix the problem.

>>166168660

You're probably just using more flashbangs on them

>>166169443
are the rookies expendable?

long war 2 is pretty shit desu

>>166169676
I'm not sure but I'd imagine if they die you lose resistance personnel

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>166169676
Rookies are never expendable, son.

>>166169809
MAGNIFICENT

>>166169809
rip

I hope you know dev console commands. I hope you have dev console enabled.

>>166169809
epic. magnificent. thank you Lump

Is LW2 prone to crashing due to other mods being installed on top of it?

>>166169809
maybe you can blow open the wall?

>>166169809

Is this a LW2 issue? I had the exact same thing happen to me.

>>166161817
That would make a great voice.

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>>166170039
First grenade....

>>166170075
its one of the new maps, its fucking awful btw, two entrances to the upper area and they both have pods sitting on them so you either get all your guys flanked or at a serious height disadvantage.

>>166160085

I feel like the closest you could get is if you port an argonian voice or something

argonian soldier mod when

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Horee shitto. I've never done that mission before.

>>166170167

Actually for me the truck was completely off the map.

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>>166170167
SECOND GRENADE!!!!

>>166170306
yeah it's quite a trip to see a 100 HP 7 armor sectopod

lily's hacks saved my ass each time

>>166170306
And you'll never wanna do it again.

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>>166170361
Operation Shitty Hotbox indeed

>>166169980
AHEM!!!!

>>166170525
>>166169980
Depends on the mod. Cosmetic mods and some UI stuff should be fine.

>>166170306

Would it be possible to make a mod that can have missions take place in ADVENT facilities like Last Gift? I love the design.

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>>166170525
Did you check the modlist?

Does anyone have a fix for being stuck at the bottom left corner of the avenger when you complete a mission? Its been happening over and over to me and it actually crashed my game last time.

Fucking a got LW2, lost my 6 man squad on first mission.

>>166170945
git gud commmander
t. spokesman

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>>166170509
>Yves Andre
Hmmmmm....

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JAKE PLS

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dead advent storage

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHERE DID YOU COME FROM

>>166170945
Light advent presence is an understatement when 15 guys are stacked on top of each other.

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>>166171223

>>166168165
The rigging system isn't designed for that.

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JUST

>>166171496
that's a cute detail

firaxis hires some good ass artists

>>166152804
DEEPEST LORE

>>166171496
Whats in the bottom left and whats up with the middle picture?

>>166171673
its a teaser for the expansion

Having crashes on XCOM 2.
It only happens when I load a save in this mission AFTER I take down the Sectopod in it. This is my first time seeing the Sectopod so I don't know if it's happening for every Sectopod corpse.
Not using Long War 2, using most of the mods recommended in the pastebin's Fixes, UI Tweaks and Quality of Life sections. Nothing else game changing should be there.
I don't expect someone to pinpoint the exact problem, but has anyone else had something similar happen to them, and if so did you guys find a fix?

>>166152804
>>166171673

>EXALT never formed in the canon timeline because it became ADVENT

>>166168203
Is this on the easiest difficulty?

>>166170610
Easily possible.

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>>166171496
>>166171548
I'm assuming you've seen this one?

>>166172482
Veteran

>>166172675

You know, shouldn't civilians be bothered by the creepy big headed grey aliens and hologram ladies casually walking round like it's no big deal

>>166172948
It's been 20 years fampai. People would get used to it, especially if they were responsible for curing some terrible illness you had.

>>166172948
I know I'd be weirded out by sexy gyrating hologram ladies. Man can't even go for a coffee without a boner.

What's a cool and appropriate name to replace "Shinobi"?

>>166173515
ninja

>>166173515

Infiltrator.

>>166173515
oper8tor

>>166173515
Is there a way to replace it?

>>166173515
I don't get what bugs people about it. It's just ninja.

>>166171013
Well I just finished my first four LW misions. Gatecrasher had 1 KIA. 2nd missions was 2 men stealth op, never spotted. 3rd mission was a four man data link op. All KIA. Definitely screwed that one up, I tried to stealth to the objective when I should have just gone hot right away. 4th mission was a flawless 7 men assault to recover a data cache.

So far I am enjoying it, and choosing squad comps is pretty fun.

>>166173927
Shinobi traditionally do not wield submachine guns. Or swords.

>>166173515
Special Operations Unit FOXHOUND

>>166173515
xXDeathKillerXx

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>>166173927
Anti-weaboo backlash. Even if something actually makes sense, people associate things with "weaboo shit" which causes an extreme reaction.

>>166174021
Yeah and Paladins do not traditionally wield plasma cannons

>True Concealment has conflicts with LW2
Damn. It would fit perfectly with the whole infiltrating thing too.

>>166174080
>He doesn't know about the holy plasma knights that retook Jerusalem
What type of schooling did you get lmao?

>>166174080
They're also not traditionally robots

>>166174158
Yeah the LW peeps made their mod stand alone. we have to wait for LW compatible mods

>>166174189
So what's your point?

>>166173515
I honestly don't mind the name Shinobi.
Though I also don't mind the Snake Suit, so maybe it's just because I'm not as into Tactical gear and the like.

>>166173840
Yes

Does calling in the extraction cancel concealment?

>>166173927
>Blue-eyed, blonde German soldier
>Shinobi
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>166174959
Yes.

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>>166174989
>Green-eyed brown/auburn hair French soldier
>uses nickname derived from Camus novel
YOOOOOOOOOO

>>166174989
>Technical
>not a four-wheeler rigged with armor and ordnance

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>no beagle vids yet

fuckin a

>>166175303
lmao

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>advent drone stuns mind controlled enemy unit
>this happens

>>166175454
>T-POSE
RUN ANON, IT MEANS HE HAS ASCENDED

>>166175454
>MC
>with ballistic shotgun and rifle
???

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>>166175454

I really like how that bug endures to this day.

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>>166175560
ADVENT tower hacks

>>166174989

GOMENASAI KEN-SAMA HERE AYY SCUM

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>Solo train terminal hack without being spotted

Does red fog belong in an immersive playthrough that you want as realistic as possible? Or does it only seem to fit the bill on paper?

Yeah I dunno guys I'm finally getting some 8-9 turn missions and I'm still doing them pretty efficiently without even feeling too rushed.
What difficulty are you guys having timer problems with?

>>166175628
That's from the game Destiny
A hunter using the dark drinker

>very light resistance
>infiltrate 100%
>it's actually a lot of dudes

???

I mean fuck a lot of missions I just abort because it's impossible to get 100% infiltration and I'd rather not attack "impregnable" or extremely heavy resistance advent locatiosn

>first mission after gatecrasher
>extremely light resistance
>pick 3 to hurry up infiltration since it's a hack and go mission
>87% infiltration
>go
>there's 12 enemies
>get shrekd

Is 12 extremely light?

>>166176213
>>166176235
>extremely light mind
Also doing a mission at under 100% infiltration will mean there will be more enemies then the baseline resistance.

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>>166175842
Another clean op

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>>166176235
If you get less than 100% infiltration, you can actually cause the resistance to raise.
Opposite if you go over 100%.
12 enemies would mean Very Light.

>>166176213
See picture.

>>166176445
This is a nice picture.

>>166176445
Well shit.

Maybe I should have tried going in with 1 and just gotten 100% instead.

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>>166176445
>0% Infiltration SWARMING missions

>>166176078
Pls respond

>>166176534
Remember that you can distract enemies patrols by trowing grenades or make civilians yell when concealed: it will make them go investigate the area, so a solo infiltration mission with Big Boss is totally viable

>>166176794
>you can distract enemies patrols by trowing grenades or make civilians yell

WAT? HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS

Also, how with the civvies?

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>>166176210

I know. It's just that it looks like a Ruler Avatar.

>>166176889
Civilians will run away from you and yell. The yelling can be used as a distraction.

long dong 2 is unbalanced as fuck

>>166176946
Last time I went too close to one it broke concealment though?

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>>166176889
>Also, how with the civvies?

>>166177000

Yeah, you'll have to break concealment.

So long as you don't have LOS with the enemy though, they'll head towards noise they hear on the map. They won't automatically zone in on you.

>>166177126
speaking of which, Long War removed the rubberband AI during concealement, right?

>>166176995

mods will fix it!

>>166168203
How many soldiers breh?

>>166177295
Yes. At least they said they did.

>>166177295
Yes. Breaking concealment is a lot more flexible now.

I've done a VIP Rescue and a Terminal Hack mission without ever being caught, despite breaking concealment by opening the prison door or hacking the terminal.

>>166177097
Art

>50 MORE ENEMY'S PER MISSION!
Wow best mod is the world so much thought went into this mod

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>>166168203
High five, senpai.

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>remove turn timers
>remove time limit on infiltration
>remove the automatic infinite waves of reinforcements after 20 turns have passed
>always infiltrate at 0%
>it is now my team of 6 vs 30+ enemies and half of them are fucking drones

we lw1 now

What's the highest enemy count possible on LW2 though? I know typically it's 30 or so but I'm wondering if it ever gets higher because a 12 man squad will probably turn even 30 enemies ridiculously easy

>>166177097
Capnub mod for that helmet?

ok so i guess long war 2 brings back the stuck under avenger feature. sick

While turn timers have been comfortable so far, I still like the idea of removing them

Yeah, it gets rid of the sense of urgency, but a single fuck-up can already lead to your entire team getting hit by a truck

All this really causes for me is intentionally running infiltrations for as long as possible to get Extremely Light/Best Possible, dropping missions that are too hard, and spending intel generously to boost Infiltration

>>166177658
Yeah but they also have an eyepatch

>>166177806
>All this really causes for me is intentionally running infiltrations for as long as possible to get Extremely Light/Best Possible, dropping missions that are too hard, and spending intel generously to boost Infiltration

You're literally supposed to being doing these things though.
Especially the first two.
Pre-launch testers have said that you might find yourself dropping more missions than you actually take.

Do what you want though, babe. You're not a casual because you don't like timers.

It is worth to send 1-2 soldiers on a 2 days infiltration just to evac and get some experience? there are bad consequences for failing missions instead of ignoring them?

>>166156027
>actually slim fit jeans that aren't two sizes too long.

So it was only in the concept art then, nice.

Going to ask this again;
Would you rather have Turn Timers, or a system that apply penalties over time? Like the Green Fog in Long War 1, where Aim and Will would degrade after each turn.
Doesn't need to be that penalty, and it could just start taking effect after what the turn counter would count down to.

>>166177986
Don't think they get experience for failing/abandoning a mission.
Also kill XP is SIGNIFICANTLY decreased whereas mission complete XP is significantly boosted, in LW2.

>>166177986
It's not very effective. You only get up to 50% of a successful mission's exp, assuming you get a lot of kills.

>train ranger in AWC to give him the best pistol skill in the game
>he randomly doesnt get it when its finished

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP!

>>166178090

Timers are retarded, the guerilla war mod guy had the right idea with the infinite reinforcements.

>>166178396
>Infinite XP farming
No, he did not. As if every mission needs to be a repeat of Ayypocalypse.

what's the easiest way to kill the three Avatars in the final battle?

I currently have a squad of a grenadier, specialist, ranger, and a sniper (I never bought the squad size upgrade), and basic weapons and armor (conventional gear only). Commander difficulty

>>166178447

Except you cannot farm xp in LW2.

>>166178462
>Conventional weapons in the final mission
WHAT?

>>166178570
he's achievement hunting

>>166178570

he's autism hunting

>>166178570
I'm doing it for the cheevos. n-no bully pls.

took about 3 hours to clear out the pods in the areas minus the Avatar room. I'm just gonna sleep on how to do the final room because I have no ideas on how to do it yet

>>166168127
I did.

He was called.
>John "Slim" Doe

>>166178781

I'm not sure, but I think you can bring a psionic with you.

I think the best way to cheese the final mission with base gear is 4 psionics/hackers or a combination

what is the general rule on what to do if the camera is stuck under the avenger after a mission

>>166178997
i deleted the config folder, but then the mission bugged out. got the XP and everything from it but it said it wasnt completed so i had to abort to get my soldiers back

>>166179036
alright im going to back my save up first

>>166179392
good post desu

>>166179392
>the biggest camper defends camping
But yeah, some of the design decisions jake makes are really odd. I guess ramping reinforcements are only obvious in hindsight?

>>166179392
Most of this is still discussing Timers in the context of X2 which is a thoroughly fleshed out discussion. I'm going to play LW2 longer before I decide.

>>166158453
>>166156027
You absolute madmen, bringing all the QT3.14s to the game

>>166179392
ooh shit Beagle turning me on with the dirty talk

>>166179631
What I find bamboozling about LW2's timers is that the mod has a function of ramping up reinforcements in place while also for some reason using the default timers which ensure you'll never get to see it unless it's an Avenger assault

>; This is the turn count after squad reveal on missions with unlimited ("continuous") reinfs when ADVENT starts dropping 8-strong pods to force the player to skedaddle.

As well as a number added to some modifiers that ramps up reinforcements continually(and appears to function like the ramping up reinforcements) but it still includes the base game timers

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>>166157859
AUTISM

ALSO BATTLEFIELD 1 PORTS WHEN

>>166179907
>default timers
Not sure what you mean by this, LW timers are longer than vanilla timers.

>>166160143
There's one who hangs out/used to hung out here and posted her boobs

>>166179978
I meant the timer by turn system, I have no idea why it's in place along with the reinforcement ramp up method of timing

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>>166179392
based Beagle, blows someone the fuck out THEN calls them out for being a faggot

>>166180037
Perhaps they tested the reinforcement ramp up but ultimately settled on timers and just left it in.

So I have a prison break with 4h expiration. Do I go light or heavy?

If I understand the mission system correctly, squad size only matters if you're infiltrating, and with only 4h left there's not much infiltrating to do so I should just bruteforce it?

>>166180307
Skip the mission. Don't send all those brave soldiers to their deaths.

You know, since so many(all?) timer missions happen on cities, they should've made it so that you can hack those advent sensor lamposts for a guaranteed timer increase, kinda like those bomb things in EU and EW, you even have to weigh pros and cons since hacking breaks concealment.

On top of that you could also make it so that once you call firebrand, they start dropping reinforcements, or maybe just make it so that they bring in reinforcements if the timer runs out.

Or a mechanic where your soldiers get fatigued the longer they spend on a mission and some of their stats start dropping, maybe will and mobility the longer you spend on the mission.

Or maybe you could have the true concealment mod effect if you infiltrate 100% or above.

I don't know, just throwing ideas, i hate timers the way they are right now.

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I just started Long War and I got this grenade bug, even though I don't have any mod affecting icons or grenades.
Any idea?

>>166180420

you've got some kind of mod conflicting with LW2 or you didn't follow the directions about creating a clean config file. one of those is the answer.

>LW1
>mid april
>finally council mission time
>NEWFOUNDLAND

should i just stack assaults/gunners/engies? rockets/assaults only? what do you guys think? i want MAXIMUM LID DESTRUCTION.

>>166180345
It says baseline extremely light. Plus it's a general question too, is there a penalty to fielding a large squad if you don't have time to infiltrate either way?

>>166180598
it's doable with t1, though lasers make it far easier

bring as many explosives as possible to clear out the shark bodies so your escape is easier, blow up the whale chest to slow down the spawn rate once you're there, and overwatch to hell and back

when the timer starts with the shark corpses cleared you should be safe apart from the chryssalids spawning from the corpse

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>>166179392
While I don't think Timers are difficult at all I 100% agree with the sentiment that it forces you into the same strategy over and over which is aggressively rush forward and alpha strike pods
Which I will also admit that such strategy was starting to get tiring towards the end of my first full playthrough and I was valuing missions without timers more and more just because it let me actually get creative. Stomping Ayys over and over again can be fun if I have the room to try different ways of doing it and this was made worse by how strong Grenadiers were in Vanilla.
A system like continuously increasing levels of reinforcements after you break concealment would've worked alot better at keeping the pressure on you and preventing you from taking 1 move then OW'ing (because if you kept doing this the reinforcements would just start overwhelming you)
The thing is that Long War 2 so far as I can tell had reinforcements come in after every 2 or few turns after being revealed on most of my missions so far. I don't know yet if they ramp up.
But it begs the question on why they may have implemented something like this but left timers in. Because for Long Dong 2 having the timers still in after I've done about 8 missions now has already made it apparent this early that its still railroading you into the same strategy; except now its either: kill some/most enemies, get objective, run or kill nothing, get objective, run.
In both of those situations you're still stuck on the same strategy of always hyper-aggressively pushing. Theres no room for variance.
I love this game and LW2 but its got this glaring flaw thats not a question of difficulty but enjoyment. Its benefit is it does force you to get good at swift strikes but once you're good at it you just stomp everything but still don't have the room to try anything new. Now that I'm already starting to feel the monotony of it again I'm considering turning off timers for the first time. To have fun

>>166180729

Yes, the less infiltrated you are the more enemies you will encounter.

And since there are 4 hours left, you're going to be 0% infiltrated, so in your case that mission is already fucked, unless you think you can take out 30+ ayys with a full squad, in which case do it.

>>166180598
If you have 3 engineers to bring, the mission is in the bag. Should be pretty easy with 2 too. Rocketeers are a mediocre choice, assaults, engis, infantry, medics all contribute more to that mission. Probably even plain shotgun scouts.

>>166180420
got that after messing too much with console commands: it may be something wrong with the config files in the base game (and DLC), worst case reinstall everything

I haven't played XCOM 2 since release. Should I bother playing again now or should I wait for Long War? How much content have they added since release?

>>166181101

Just jump straight into Long Dong 2, YOLO

>>166181101
Just use a lower LW dificulty.

>>166181101
long war is trash

>>166179392
mission timers should be replaced with a reinforcement timers

let's brainstorm on how to fix timers:

1) keep the crashed UFO & Retaliation missions as is (maybe spread the pods out so that they aren't packed around the UFO computer console, and maybe add more civilians to the Retaliation missions)

2) all other timed missions get a flat 12 turn timer

3) the timer activates on certain mission triggers, like if the enemy is alerted to your presence, or hacking a prison door/data cache, but not having a high enough hack score/rank to open a door or data cache without triggering an alarm

3) the timer only loses a turn if you attempt to damage/disable one or more enemies on a single turn. this let's you explore and scout a map, while also somewhat punishing squadsight "snipe ayys from across the map" cheese

4) the timer is converted to a reinforcement timer instead of a mission loss timer

5) timed maps now have a comm satellite/console that can be disabled so that ADVENT can't call for reinforcement. hacking the satellite lets you keep concealment, while destroying it with brute force you lose concealment

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so very tempting

>>166180752

haha i've done this plenty of times before. i was just looking for a fun squad comp.

>>166181009

yeah rocketeers are so mediocre this early. just gonna dump CCS assaults and engies everywhere and see how it goes.

>>166181626
As a reinforcement timer only triggered by revealing I would reduce it to 8 across the board if not lower. 12 is fine with a hard fail state like normal but I think 8 is ok for something thats just going to make things harder instead of failing the mission outright.

>>166181673
you can train ~3 rookies on it if you have 2 engis and an assault

>>166181629
>rocket launcher intensifies

>>166181750
I like this

>>166181626
What >>166181750 said and
>the timer only loses a turn if you attempt to damage/disable one or more enemies on a single turn. this let's you explore and scout a map, while also somewhat punishing squadsight "snipe ayys from across the map" cheese
I disagree with this. If it operated like that it would become a non-issue.

On a prison break mission, do I have to use the predetermined extraction point? I still have the option to call skyranger and I'm wondering if I can use that. (LW2)

>>166171173
Glad it's not just me

How useful is it to put people on Supply jobs anyway? I find most of my already small income gets stolen, whereas if I just go all out on recruitment/intel then I can at least get free personnel (just got a free scientist month 2) and/or multiple supply raid missions. Thats another thing I've noticed, supply raids don't really give you as much as they did in vanilla, but you can get a LOT of them in rapid succession.

The Alien Ruler weapons didn't get Laser/Coil variations, right? Even if the Alien Rulers feel a bit out of place, I fell in love with the Bolt Caster, and I'm going to be saddened if it can't entirely keep up with my other weapons.

>get hit with a bleeding out soldier near the objective
>plenty of time left in the mission, drop the evac signal
>realise that she's going to bleed out right as the skyranger arrives

Fuck man. I guess you need to plan your evac in advance and place it down during combat if need be. It's a free action anyway, isn't it?

>>166182863
I think its one action

>>166182652
I think the devs said they didn't do anything with the DLCs. I enabled Alien Hunters on my campaign, idk if I'm actually brave enough to do the nest. At least I got the frost bomb for cheesing tough spots.

I kinda wish LW2 would of toned down all the timer missions. Five missions in a row I've stealthed extracted the VIP to the EVAC without engaging any pods because fighting them would take too much time.

Will XCOM2 ever be as comfy as XCOM:EW was?

>>166182952
with some tweaks i think so

With all this complaining about mission timers in LW2... isn't there mods to remove that if you want?

>>166182952
If you just turn it off that comfiness is back.

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tense prison sneaking

>>166183046
you can adjust it in the ini

>>166183046
For LW2 technically theres no mods but you can disable them yourself by just Ctrl+F'ing in the LWoverhaul.ini.
But this only fixes half the problem because then theres nothing to properly fill its place to keep that sense of urgency without being a flat out fail state.

>>166183208
On what I mean by no mods is for most people
any Timer mods aren't completely non-functioning in LW2

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>>166183136
very tense

>>166183208
which is stupid, they already have removed XP grinding from reinforcements so instead they could easily add an increasing rate of reinforcements once you break concealment instead of having a hard timer

>>166183312
are*

>>166183335
>Just sneak in dude lmao

>>166183335
what a shit mod