/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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First for roll chart update never ever!

Have you prayed to your lord and savior horatio yet 4xg?

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>>166036108
Horatio = Sansha from EVE Online.

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5th for everyone loves mindworms

>>166035480
Rollan

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>>166036427
why is she so perfect?

why is there not more fanart of her ;_;

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I assume everyone is too busy playing on this holy day to post here.

temporarily finished a Horatio game
gene assimilation is crazy and their ships look cool

>>166036745
roll

Is endless space 2 fun yet?

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>>166037505
Nope. Combat is still worse than ES1.

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>In the new research tree you can start colonizing fucking gas giants before you can colonize jungle planets.

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>>166035269
>All Amplitude games on sale
You weren't kidding. But it makes me feel bad that what cost me hundreds of euro can now be had for the price of a DLC...

>>166037984
Its not like sales are a terribly new thing anon, but if its any consolation its not like you actually lost anything.

>>166035269
If you bought them less than a week ago, you can ask for a refund and get the amount of your sale back.

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>>166035480
Make a new roll-o-matic with Forgotten and Morgawr.

>>166036578
Who the fuck plays this anymore?

>>166036745
What's the point of Civ anymore when EL is superior in every way?

inb4 bait.

Civ V and VI is 4X for babbies.
V is ok with mods though.

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>>166038230
Nah, over years. It still rustles me.

>>166038330
The roll-chart anon is kill.

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>>166038330
>What's the point of Civ anymore when EL is superior in every way?
EL does not have and will NEVER EVER have a modding scene. Why, you may ask. The answer is simple: Amplitude punishes people that use mods by disabling achievements because it """hurts""" the e-sports scene they've got going...

If you want a mod-scene, lend your voice to the cause!
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-legend/forum/6-game-design/thread/22073-request-enable-achievement-unlocking-while-playing-with-mods

>>166038804
Surprised that no-one made a mod that disables the disabling of cheevos yet.

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>>166039026
Is such a thing even possible?

>>166039158
If you can deceive the game into thinking there's mod activated...

>>166038804
>EL does not have and will NEVER EVER have a modding scene. Why, you may ask. The answer is simple: Amplitude punishes people that use mods by disabling achievements because it """hurts""" the e-sports scene they've got going...
What fucking esports scene.

>>166039158
Someone did that for Fallout 4, but those games are wildly different so i dunno.
If its not here yet it probably means its not possible

>>166038804
Somewhat relevant:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/502370/
(A WH40k game that released today)

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>>166039364
>What fucking esports scene.
That's my point. Amplitude is convinced that their niche is multiplayer. So all their design choices are supposed to streamline the gameplay, make it fast.

Ever wondered why ES1 combat was cinematic? Why they tried to make EL combat cinematic and refuse to this day to let you directly control units? Why ES2 combat is such a fucking disappointment?

It's because they want combat not to take more, they want careful thinking to be an advantage.

>>166039437
Praise the Emprah and pass the ammunition!

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>start on an arctic homeworld
>arctic colonization comes up in the research

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>>166039437
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/01/18/necromunda-underhive-wars-pc/
Today is truly a holy day!

>>166040006
Just because you live there doesn't mean you're good at it. Just look at Australoids.

>>166040006
Every planet is different. You have to adapt to local wildlife.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-57-species-rights.995302/

So the new Stellaris patch seems to be mostly based around xenophobic and militarist empires, with all the new features of suppressing, enslaving, purging and for some reason, eating xenos. What could they implement that makes playing as a pacifist empire interesting? Right now you can't really do much.

>>166040132
But I can colonize arctic planets with zero issues.

>>166040318
????

So what, the research is useless?

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>>166040187
>What could they implement that makes playing as a pacifist empire interesting?
Developed and varied forms and degrees of Xenophilia, if you know what I mean.

>>166035269
>just humans with weird heads
And why is his cape like that, is there a breeze in the starship?

>>166040367
Yeah, apparently. Bravo Paradox.

>>166040448
It was a real shock when I learned that this movie was actually made by a Frenchie.

I guess our reputation at making weird movies is deserved.

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>>166039742

But if you understand the combat mechanics you CAN control combat and units.

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>>166040464
He literally is just a human amped up on Dust that started his own sub-race.

And having special effects like breeze generators and sunshafts and whatever else is needed for dramatic posing is just his style.

>>166040464
>humans with weird heads
literally part of his backstory
>"look at him, that kid's scary"

>is there a breeze in the starship
who the hell knows it's probably for fashion

>>166040187
Pacifism and Xenophilia are already fine, whereas being an enslaving, militarist douchebag got the entire galaxy out for you blood for very little benefit.

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>>166040697
>if you understand the combat mechanics
There's nothing to understand because nothing makes sense!

Explain pic related numbers if you can.

>>166040928
>0%
chance of critical hit
>60%
chance for standard attack
>75%
chance for defense-reduced attack
>25%
chance for absolutely nothing

>>166040464
>is there a breeze in the starship?
Well, yeah. You kind need currents in a starship, or air will stagnate and you will suffocate.

>>166040928

>Explain

Here ya go Anon this YT series explains it all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3eREwr0MmI

>>166041070
>>>60%
>chance for standard attack
>>75%
>chance for defense-reduced attack
>>25%
>chance for absolutely nothing
So a 160% chance of something happening?

>>166041217
>roll standard attack
>fail
>roll shittier half damage attack
>succeed
>half damage shit attack
at least that's how I think it goes

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>>166040928
>There's nothing to understand because nothing makes sense!
Well duh, Amplitude is a French studio after all!

>>166041070

Has to do with attack vs defense, morale bonuses, unit capabilities, and status effects. If you're asking how they reached the numbers themselves. Those videos explain it.

>>166041364
As a French, this offends me.
EYE is pretty shit, I don't understand why everybody likes it.

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>>166041339
Consequtive dice rolls? That's crazy enough to work.


If Paradox are adding this bullshit as an official feature then a mod better add a demographic invasion feature where you send your rapid breeder population to overwhelm the enemy by infiltration.

>>166039742
the ES1 combat is antithetical to multiplayer, nobody wants to have turns last multiple minutes because of some drawn out cutscene

>>166041515
EYE is fucking great.

>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-57-species-rights.995302/
>Migration, Standard of Living, and population controls for individual species
>Forced displacement

>You can literally make Space Great Again

>>166041820
It was shit.
The story was pretentious as possible, the fights were frustrating because enemies are constantly respawning from everywhere and have perfect accuracy, the dialogues were awful (special nod to the Jian Shi you're constantly verbally fighting with).

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>>166041918
>>You can literally make Space Great Again
ES2 did it first.

>>166040187
Everyone needs to be conquering other people, not just militarists and xenophobes.

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>>166041918
>battle thralls
>forced labor

>>166042356
How could this work if you play as a fanatic pacifist?

>>166042960
If someone breaks the NAP, you break their face. That's the rule even if you are a fanatical pacifist.

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>>166042960
>>166043101
Vassal/Protectorate -> Integrate -> Eat.

>>166043101
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!

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4X belongs in /pol/

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>>166043101
Maybe they should implement some kind of a casus belli system with different cb's for each ethos.

so is Stars in Shadow any good?

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>>166043808
>implement some kind of a casus belli system
A step too far. I don't want a straight-jacket on my foreign policy.

>>166043939
that scream seems pretty external

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>>166044059
no lungs = no external screaming

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>in order to uplift pre-sentients you must colonize their planet
Who the hell had that bright idea? I just wanted some xenos to colonize desert planets for me.

>>166042960
>someone somewhere in the galaxy has different government policies than you
>this gives you a reason to liberate them or force them to stop committing atrocities

But really a lot of these changes matter regardless of why the xenos are in your society, so:
>friendly alien nation wants their rapid breeders to be able to travel to your worlds
>accept, while making clear that they are not full citizens
>in the same way that chickens are not full citizens

I last played Stellaris when it came out and I stopped playing after exploring ~25% of my galaxy because Sector management was so fucking atrocious (FORCED 100% AUTOMATION FUCK GODDAMNIT FUCK) it made the game unplayable for me. Has that been remedied at all?

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>>166044496
Just send some robots to befriend them.

>>166044742
Short answer, No.

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>tfw to intelligent too expand my empire

>>166044742
It's actually easier to just turn it off and manage the planets yourself.

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>>166045090
perfect

Has Stellaris improved significantly since release? I pirated it then and while I did enjoy it it felt pretty lacking in many aspects. I know I'll probably end up playing it a ton anyway and I've spent more on games I haven't played much if at all.

>>166045090
At least their animations are really nice.

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Is Distant Worlds: Universe worth getting? Does it allow for nearly as much customization of my empire/species and AI as Stellaris?

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Does BERT fix BE's horrible embarkation speeds?

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i made a thing

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I'm trying to figure out how I just won a game of Civ 6. I was Russia playing a religious game, and I'd converted Sumeria, Arabia, Kongo, and France, but Scythia was too strong with its apostles. I managed to convert a few Scythian cities, but not half. Nevertheless, I still won off of my turn (as in I won during someone else's turn). Very weird.

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>>166035269
Okay, who the fuck is the narrator of this trailer? The mystery mentor of Horatio that led him to greatness?

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>>166045698
10/10

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>>166043823
It's okay.

>>166038804
>caring about achievements

Nothing about what you just wrote has any weight.

EL is still a better game.

Civ only got Religion, everything else is boring.

Units, combat, buildings, tech, city planning etc.. is a lot better in EL.

>>166045090
>Entire race of clones
>Literally one primitive bioweapon away from mass extinction

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>>166046253
What's the point of existence if you do not share Horatio's perfect DNA?

>>166046020
>that font
evri tim

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>>166046213
Correct

>>166046786
The cool thing is that every player in a MP game gets the benefit of all of the expansions the host has bought.

But alas, Firaxis has a lot more marketing money to make Civ more known. I hope Amplitude games get more recognition now that Sega owns them, but I have my doubts.

What the fuck did they do to the tech tree is ES2. They fucking ruined it. Why did they caven in and listened to the shitters who can't stand actually making a hard decision and passing on some stuff.

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>>166045408
Wait for patch 1.5 otherwise don´t bother.

>>166046020
I heard the combat is fun...well is it ?

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>>166047115
The people with worst ideas are the most obsessive autists. So they are the ones that get heard.

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>>166046985

EL is kinda perfect ... I wish they would add Z axis combat / gameplay to the game and religion but I know it wont happen.

>>166047495

I didn't like ES that much I love EL will ES 2 be worth a buy? I am guessing not?

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>>166047552
>Z axis combat / gameplay
Global weather/terraforming like in SMAC would have been cool to see.

>>166047732
I loved ES1, bought ES2. ES2 is not worth playing right now but it may be cool if they fix the combat. My advice is wait till release at the very least.

>>166046985
>The cool thing is that every player in a MP game gets the benefit of all of the expansions the host has bought.
Well shit if I knew that I would have hosted EL games a long fucking time ago.
Now now though, other stuff on my plate.
Based frenchmen.

>>166047882
Combat is bad but they have a lot of other really cool things going on. Even if they just up the combat to "ok" it has plenty of potential to be fucking great.

>>166038804
Civ5 doesn't allow cheevos with mods either, so what's your point?

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>>166047153
Combat is quick and basic, but it's alright. Fun enough.

>>166048847
Looks like Gratuitous Space Battles.

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Saw that carriers were buffed in the final release, so I decided to play the race with a carrier focus.
Time to drown the galaxy in bombers.

>>166049114
Kind of, though this is turn based.

Stellaris is getting significantly more complex with pop oriented policies and factions:

>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-57-species-rights.995302/

>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-54-ethics-rework.987286/

And not a fucking word was said about the starting ethos effect on all this.

>>166040187

Are you kidding me? Pops being processed will now flee to neighbouring empires. That means that if you have an appropriate planet you get free pops.

>>166040915

Xenophile has no real effect whatsoever and it was always the most useless ethos: no tolerance, no happiness boost to others, only your own pops for having aliens nearby. Individualism was always the cosmopolitan ethos of choice.

>>166050123
>Pops being processed will now flee to neighbouring empires
Well, that's a neat way to flood them with my shitty pops without migration treaties :^)

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>>166050331
That's because Paradox retards don't understand how to tekeli-li

>>166050663
What the hell is that? A maid or a shoggoth?

>>166051016
It appears to be both

>>166044957
That short is so fucking good.

Did they fix the hitching problems in the new ES2 update?

>>166051180
Please tell me it comes from a manga about My Daily Life With A Shoggoth.

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>>166051016
A shoggoth maid.

>>166051338
It's fanart of MGE.

>>166051507
MGE?

alright dear redditors senpai
first release for Civ6 was huge let down,
then came updates and mods and I feel I finally pirate buy the game

some things to note...
early game is the most confy, midgame and later gets boring, but I do never seem to reach it, because this is so frustrating with bad maps and low production, I'm actually amazed that the AI can keep up, how the fuck are they doing so much?

and then there are mods, really better UI mod is a must, for all tastes is improves so much on the game,
others to note are to balance warmongering penalty and water yields, but most important are the dam map generation, the mod called "Detailed Worlds" improves a lot on the defaults maps, it does makes some good and interesting worlds
also note that tweaking each map, like legendary start or abundant resources makes it much more fun, since other cities won't be as useless too, since along with wonder/districts getting land space you end up with really low yields

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>>166051697
Monster Girl Encyclopedia, written by some depressed as fuck Japanese guy.
This is the official art of a Shoggoth.

>>166052098
Oh, that. I see it often on Danbooru.

She's pretty cute.

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>>166052382
Have a (baby) Mindflayer
But my point is that Paradox is too retarded to add monstergirls and therefore breeding to the game so Xenophile will be literally fucking useless until then

>>166052518
So fucking cute.

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>>166052694
*flays you*

>>166052896
Please no. I like having my skin on my body.

>>166053057
Do you actually know what Mindflayers are though and what getting flayed by one entails

>>166053149
Flaying someone and flaying someone's mind are two different things.
Usually, flaying someone means Ramsaying them.

>>166040187

Wiz said that pops will now have a single non fanatical ethos. That means no matter your starting ethos is there will be always people discontent with slavery unless you have an odd mix of collectivist/xenophobe ethos at the start.

>>166052518
>add monstergirls and therefore breeding to the game

Loverslab is working on it.

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>>166053149
>what getting flayed by one entails

Yes, I've thoroughly researched the subject on the interwebs.

>>166055467
We just wanted to be sure, just incase :^)

sorry

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>>166036732

>>166055318
Bless them.
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/57549-ck2-dark-world-reborn/

Is Alphamod any good?

>>166045595
If you can get it in a sale, deffo yes.

As for customisation, you can't change anything species related at all in game.
If you want to do that you need to delve into the rats nest txt files and start modding.
Or pick up one of the many already existing mods that add more races.

In Stellaris, if you make a race called "dick", and then you turn them into livestock, can you say you eat dicks?

>>166057532
Isn't it usually "swallowing cock"

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>>166036430
I just cant enjoy AoWIII anymore after EL and TW:W.

It feels so simple and basic.

I loved AoW 1 and 2 though, but thats well over 10 years since I played since.

I like AoWIII for what it is, but compared to other in roughly the same genre, its pretty lackluster, mainly because of its boring city building segment.

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>>166058024
If EL got the combat and unit diversity of AoW3, it would be a literally perfect game.

>>166058024
>mainly because of its boring city building segment.
It's been a problem in the aow series.
At least AoW3 made city placement at least something to think about a little compared to AoW2.

>>166058717
I'd really enjoy more combat units for EL; was really disappointed when I saw the Cultists didn't have any of those cool spears/halberds from their artwork.

I've never played a 4X before but I've had a passing interest in trying one out for a while now.

I saw EL is on sale for a massive reduction, and the setting seems pretty cool. Is it a good way for a complete scrub to get started? Is the campaign worth shit so I at least have that to fall back on if I can't git gud for multiplayer?

>>166060113
>Is it a good way for a complete scrub to get started?
Not exactly. The AI in EL is pretty brutal.

>campaign
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You really don't know anything about 4X, do you?

>>166060113
Multiplayer a shit.
Unless you're playing with friends you can chat with over some messager, and not turn-limit setting faggots who rush their top-tier strategies out to fuck over other players without any concern for the state of their own empire withholding complete collapse.

>>166060402
>Not exactly. The AI in EL is pretty brutal.
Anything else you'd recommend instead? I saw Civ IV on sale for pretty cheap in the Winter Sale but passed over it since it was two releases behind and at the time didn't realise there was so much debate about which is the best, would that be a better place to start?

>You really don't know anything about 4X, do you?
I know what 4X stands for, that they're turn based, usually take place on some form of grid, and that there's a big focus on MP/AI skirmish. Aside from that I know fuck all.

>>166060607
>Anything else you'd recommend instead?
Not really. I'm just giving my two cents.
I honestly can't stand turn-based 4X. I usually fall asleep when playing them. I'm not exagerrating, I LITERALLY fell asleep last time I played Civilizations V.
Otherwise, probably Civ IV, but it's boring and I don't like Civilizations anyway.

Also, I fucked up, it's Endless Space who has a brutal AI. The one in Endless Legend is actually manageable. I still get bored very easily with the game, so... Wait for someone else's opinion so that you can confront them.

And simply put : a single game in a 4X usually lasts for several hour, and IS a campaign.
It's like Total War, if you know it : there's no skirmish mode, only campaigns.

>>166056369
It is good, though as an overhaul mod it has compatibility problems, and you might personally dislike how some things have been balanced. Also, it's over-complexity in it's attempt to make resource gathering/management is sometimes too intimidating and you might even end up just using vanilla buildings because it might become way too much of a bother figuring out how to Min Max everything.

The main problem it has is that the AI in Stellaris is too retarded to understand how to fully exploit the resource chains the mod offers. It's not even smart enough not to make retarded building decisions in vanilla Stellaris.

>>166061547
>>166056369
I like it in general, but I'm going to try a few breakthroughs without it for now. What I do recommend are the mods by AlphaAsh that do not require Alphamod, like Gods & Guardians and Shantytown.

>>166060923
Cheers for the reply anon!

Out of curiosity, what would your recommendation be for a non turn-based 4X be?

>>166062835
DISTANT WORLD sounds like it.
Deep enough to get you hooked, can be automated so you can easily leave parts you don't like to the AI (who isn't as retarded as Stellaris) and not as frightening as Aurora.

The downside is that it's maybe a bit too complex for a first 4X, and it's pretty expensive. But to its defense, most things can be automated, there's a community to explain things, and "Distant Worlds" is actually "Distant Worlds : Universe", a Gold version containing various expansions.

>At each Congress meeting, the Congress host and one of the Congress members may make Propositions.

Which congress member makes the proposition? Is it random if everyone has equal delegates?

>>166060923
>I honestly can't stand turn-based 4X
I'm generally the other way around, in that I very much prefer turn based. I will play real time games, I just don't tend to enjoy them that much. The need to be fast is just such a hassle.

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>>166060923
>I literally fell asleep

lol so edgy xDDdd

I wish EL had better modding tools so that an SMAC conversion could be made.
It would work perfectly.

>>166065235
Don't bother with it.

>>166064420
how the fuck is that edgy you stupid tipping retard

>>166065957
See >>166065358

>>166066318
>le hitler killed people

EL is a snoozefest. Stellaris is on sale, should I pick it up? Or wait for a better Civ 6 sale?

>>166069675
I'd wait until 1.5 is released to buy Stellaris.

>>166070029
Not him, but does it usually go on sale when an update hits? I was thinking of just getting it now and playing it when the update hits, I have other games to occupy me atm anyways.

>>166070546
Yeah, get it while it's on sale.

They're patching it effectively, I've no doubt it'll end up reasonable 'fixed' at some point in the future.

gaining allies and diplomacy in general feels lacking in it's purpose in Civ5, as the AI never seems to help out in wars that aren't directly beside their border and being friendly with everyone merely buys time before you build a space ship, bribe everyone with gold and luxuries to vote you as their emperor, build tourism, or purge everyone.

Does Civ6 build on the diplomacy to be more than something to delay the inevitable nuclear winter?

Would Stellaris be more interesting for players who wish to maintain diplomatic relationships and amass wealth rather than war against everyone all the time?

HAS THE ES2 UPDATE FIXED THE HITCHING ISSUES

THIS IS V. IMPORTANT

>>166073227
Maybe, but it is a preview build and unstable. I even got a crash on starting a new game after seeing how some factions changed.

Horatio ships look weird. They're like a combination of a ship and the skeleton of a fish.

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>>166066318

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>>166074463

>>166041587
> literally a "Refugees Welcome" option
It's like I'm looking at a /pol/ parody of a liberal vidya
SWEDEN YES!

But in mechanical terms what's the fucking point? Different species pops aren't nearly as different as Stellaris seems to think they are, so having all this fine-tuning of policies towards different individual races is totally pointless. It's not even close to being worth the hassle to get all "Agrarian" pops on your farms and "Natural Engineers" on your Engineering labs for a paltry 15% productivity increase, and even if you managed it they'd just all scramble the moment you hand over to a sector.

I can't see anyone using any of these 1.5 pop-management mechanisms usefully.

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Help.
I only wanted to be the most perfect Horatio.

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>>166077164
>I can't see anyone using any of these 1.5 pop-management mechanisms usefully.
I can, they are simply somewhat circumstantial and also for role-playing/self-imposed challenge reasons.

Empires with slow breeding species, strong negative ethic divergence and/or high happiness bonuses might want to attract the pops of other empires to help them expand at a rate that they normally wouldn't be able to, or simply do deny surrounding empires their pops, basically stealing them.
You might also want to attract a specific empire's species that compliments your own species weaknesses (Highly Intellectual but very weak species attracting Very Strong warrior species from a neighboring militarist empire).

The core world species policies (this is where the sector thing comes in) could be changed depending of what species are occupying your sectors (You assign species to certain sectors that promote their ethics/world preferences and leave the core world to species with similar ethics and world preferences to your main species).

I assume that you can assign non-sentient pops as livestock without much problem from other empires or your own pops, and turn planets with non-sentient species pops into particularly productive farm worlds.

>>166079597
Better get more food production going then.

Post a screenshot of what your Horatio is at now

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>>166079597

>>166079806
>particularly productive farm worlds.
which means nothing because food production isn't empire wide like it should be and instead is only per-planet like some little fucking kid designed it

>>166079597
>>166080045
Looks to me like you're bound to your grave in stellar remains.

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>>166080043
Not even that far along, I'm not sure what it could be other than the besieging, but that doesnt make any sense.

>>166080045
Wow.

get gud

>>166080243
>Actually picking manpower when exotic rations exist.
What turn is this?

>>166080049
Which is probable to change according to a previous dev diary.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/
>Global food that can be shared between planets.

Or you can just use mods.

>>166041918
Will Individualists be able to displace aliens from conquered worlds?

>>166079806
>Empires with slow breeding species, strong negative ethic divergence and/or high happiness bonuses might want to attract the pops of other empires to help them expand at a rate that they normally wouldn't be able to, or simply do deny surrounding empires their pops, basically stealing them.
No, because you don't need pops to expand. If you have 1 pop of the right biome you can colonize as many worlds as you want, and that first pop always comes from immigration or conquest, not growth. In fact high growth HARMS colony expansion because a full Tundra planet can't accomodate that first Alpine xeno immigrant you might need.

> You might also want to attract a specific empire's species that compliments your own species weaknesses (Highly Intellectual but very weak species attracting Very Strong warrior species from a neighboring militarist empire).
No, because pop traits are Literally Nothing. On your example, there's a reason people say "Weak" is a free trait point: because Strength is useless. And in general, as I said here >>166077164, apart from their biome pops are almost totally indistinguishable from each other. +15% energy from Thrifty is nothing. If it was +100%, then yeah, maybe pop specialisation would be worth the effort, but for now, it isn't: especially when if you have Free Migration on all your guys will just move off whatever tile / planet you painstakingly arranged them on.

And the entire discussion becomes even MORE moot because whatever you do, your sectors will fuck up once you put your planet in one, so all these effects will apply only to your core worlds, thus becoming asymptotically more and more irrelevant to your overall economy as ypur empire expands.

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>>166080423
We don't know.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-54-ethics-rework.987286/
Either way, there will be no more Individualists by 1.5, since they are going to rework how Ethics work.

>>166080665
WE

>>166080368
All of those screenshots were taken exactly turn 70.
To explain exactly what happened, I spawned REALLY fucking closed off, with two nearby systems being nothing but gas planets, the third system being auriga and a couple gas, and the fourth system being colonizeable but taken by the Hissho.
Also right next to the Hissho was one of the new militarist minor factions, those xenomorph fuckers.
Also note that both minor factions were in the only starlane path out of my little fucking corner that has nothing but gas.
I assimilated them to experiment with the horatio a tad, but by the time I got enough influence to actually pacify them I got >>166080045

I don't know if militarist minor factions get an increased ship spawn rate but I wouldn't be surprised.
By the time I started constructing some ships it was too late.

I probably should have focused less on getting gas colonization tech and more on getting the influence going to actually pacify them before they deathballed like that, or focuses more on getting those couple military researches for t3 modules. Noted for the future.

I was kinda skeptical on the new tech tree but the more I think about it the more I like it.

>>166080596
>you don't need pops to expand.
You don't, but you need more pops if you want to to actually make use of these planets which slow breeding species cannot do at the same as slow breeding ones.

>>166080596
>And the entire discussion becomes even MORE moot because whatever you do, your sectors will fuck up once you put your planet in one, so all these effects will apply only to your core worlds, thus becoming asymptotically more and more irrelevant to your overall economy as your empire expands.
Well then, fuck me and the devs, because who wants interesting gameplay mechanics simply because they don't make min maxing my empire even more absurdly easy, right?

>>166080665
What's the opposite of egalitarianism?

Also:
>Egalitarianism has never been tried.
>My specific, perfect, entirely infallible brand of egalitarianism has never been tried.
Weird that the UN Humans went from individualists to socialists in a patch.

>>166080665
jesus christ vanilla is cancer

>>166080981
>can't be bothered to check link
Authoritarian

>>166081007
I legit forgot how underwhelming the vanilla choice of ethics and governments was.

>>166081103
I like the implication that authoritarian and egalitarian is completely different, when we're living under and authoritarian egalitarian world order IRL

>>166080927
Next game, check out the options menu.

>>166081275
We're living in an authoritarian world that uses the idea of egalitarianism as tool to force laws on individuals.

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>>166080981
Please do not imply that Egalitarianism is the same as Collectivism.

>>166081469
Yeah I have learned what the "Constellation number" setting does now. I thought that meant no stars, boy am I retarded.

Also don't set your galaxy age to random kids.

>>166081578
You can also turn off pirates.

>>166081524
All are equal, some are more equal than others.

>>166081606
Wait that's a fucking option?
Can you set the pirate spawn frequency? Hang on I need to open my game again.

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>>166081801
They changed a bunch of options.

>>166081275
>we're living under and authoritarian individualist world order masquerading as a egalitarian one.
FTFY

>>166081671
Get the hell our of here, Napoleon.

>>166081801
So you can't set their spawn rate but you can set minor faction difficulty. Interesting.
I completely forgot they fleshed out the customization in the preview update.

>>166080975
>Well then, fuck me and the devs, because who wants interesting gameplay mechanics simply because they don't make min maxing my empire even more absurdly easy, right?

I'm an RPing faggot too anon, but when the Devs throw up their arms and say
>"Who gives a fuck about balance, we're just gonna add MEME gameplay"
I am left with the strong suspicion that what they actually mean is
>"Balancing the advantages and disadvantages of xenocannibalism, so there can be strategically valid reasons to both adopt and reject it, is a lot harder than just throwing it in there and saying "LOL WE EAT U XD", so here you go, that'll be $15 :^)"
There was once a time when balanced gameplay was a bare minimum requirement of a strategy. I am not pleased to see you argue that my preference for it makes me some sort of minmax autist.

>>166081941
Please tell me they added this in the preview update because otherwise I'm a huge fucking retard.

>Another mechanic that never quite felt satisfying is the ethics divergence mechanic. Not only is it overly simplified with just a single value determining if pops go towards or from empire ethics, the shift rarely makes sense: Why would xenophobe alien pops diverge away from xenophobe just because they're far away from the capital of a xenophobic empire?
>Each ethic now has an attraction value for each pop in your empire depending on both the empire's situation and their own situation. For example, enslaved pops tend to become more egalitarian, while pops living around non-enslaved aliens become more xenophilic (and pops living around enslaved aliens more xenophobic). Conversely, fighting a lot of wars will increase the attraction for militarism across your entire empire, while an alien empire purging pops of a particular species will massively increase the attraction for xenophobic for the species being purged.
I like the changes, though I wonder how I'll maintain my xenophobic empire without xeno slaves.

>>166082237
It is in the preview. You can opt in under the beta part of ES2's steam settings.

>>166080596
You'd advocate a focus on Leader bonuses, then?

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>>166081980
Fair enough argument, I suppose.

The update is still free though, only Ascension perks for now are part of the next DLC.

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The new factions system is kinda neat.

Though, I hope they worked on diplomacy because it'd be weird if the game had detailed diplomacy model for internal factions and a really simplistic one for other empires.

>>166082250
> the shift rarely makes sense: Why would xenophobe alien pops diverge away from xenophobe just because they're far away from the capital of a xenophobic empire?

It made perfect sense to me: living out on the periphary, light years away from the propaganda and memes of the capital worlds, of course your pops might see themselves drifting from orthodoxy.

Having the changes actually take feedback from the galactic political situation is an improvement, I agree. I just worry that they won't be able to balance it for fuck and in the end the entire galaxy will end up as xenophobic militarists because the global pull from purges and warfare won't match the global push from peace and friendliness, or something.

>>166079597
I had the opposite problem
I had to keep finding places to fit my Horatios because they kept spawning every turn

>>166082587
Slavery and purge options are also DLC only.

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>>166082792
What? Not it's not, it's-

>>166082752
Thankfully we've got spaceports for that now, which is fucking awesome since it means you can relocate pops to ideal planets.
There's a lot of really neat shit in update 2, now if they can just make combat to even "ok" ES2 has potential to be great on launch.

>>166083086
>relocate pops to ideal planets.
Or send minor faction pop to 1 system for exotic rations.

>>166083165
That too, gulag systems are go.

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>>166083052
Don't worry my friend, refugees aren't.

>>166083086
spaceports are less fancy and exciting to use when you run out of spots to send Horatios to
I did nothing but slice off minor factions and now I'm paying the price with Sophon-tier intelligent pops that breed like millions of rabbits

>>166082619
Are the faction leaders actually your hired leaders now, or are they still people who exist only in the faction screen?

>>166083237
Exotic rations and forceful beautification of the galaxy.

>>166083294
what goes inside of each exotic ration
is the main ingredient __Horatio?

>>166083420
No, it is just beautiful and delicious food so Horatio is more motivated to spread Horatio.

>>166083420
Perfection is the only suitable food for perfection anon.

>>166083286
Looks like they're hired leaders, 1 president, 1 govenor, 4 scientists and 2 "no leader".

Seems standard for early game.

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Soon.

>Set minor faction quantity to high
>4 of the buggers right in my sector
Ok, next time I'll try medium.

>>166083587
Strike that, 5 of them. 2 of them are copies of the same faction.

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>>166083524

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>Propaganda was added for dictatorships
Well that will be useful.

>>166080665
They couldn't bear to keep the individualist ethic around because that would mean admitting the only ethos that cares about an individual's rights also realizes that taxation = theft.

The Swedes couldn't live with that.

>>166080665
Individualism is being replaced with Noble Objectivism.

>>166082619
is this update out?

>>166084359
>[Anarcho-Capitalism Meme]

>>166084767
Not yet.
There are multiple dev blogs out.

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>>166084767
no. Not yet.

I stopped playing because I finally got the Cybrex mission chain and it bugged out.

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Also, one of the things I really like about stellaris is the random events I find while sending ships to explore.

>>166085052
>random events I find while sending ships to explore
That is the best part desu.
Earlygame Stellaris is great and full of content.
But once all the borders ossify it just becomes a snoozefest with nothing new or interesting to do.

Is Stellaris fun?

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Hey whats the best way to play this asshole

>>166085203
>But once all the borders ossify it just becomes a snoozefest with nothing new or interesting to do.

literally every fx

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>>166085203
Yep. Early Stellaris is fun. Mid-Late stellaris is dead. They could let us find events in "explored" territory, just change the text a little, add some diplomatic options like allowing other empires to explore solo or require that they're paired with an "escort" and that all discoveries be shared. Stealth science ships for closed borders or something.

The whole factions revamp might help but I'm more interested in that they fix and improve events.

>>166085219
I like it for a while...nothing that I would play regular though. Might change with a couple more updates though.

>>166085203
I love the early game, and the late game crisis can be fun, but to me the mid game is an awful slog. Needs to be more going on with colony and diplomatic events to shake up the status quo. They've even acknowledged they want to do more in that department, they just don't seem to be doing much.

>>166085437
>literally every fx
True, but not literally every grand strategy, which is what lategame Stellaris is supposed to be.

>>166038804
>>166039026
>>166039158
Mods alter or add to config files. Just manually merge mod data with core config files and don't play public multiplayer.

>>166040006
Isn't the research still required for your other species?

>>166085942
>tfw dwarf fortress will never have a strategic management layer

>>166036745
roll

>>166045742
Someone reduced scythian number of cities?

>>166085942
>but not literally every grand strategy,
They start at that point instead

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>>166086897
>tfw all video games are a futile attempt to fill my hollow existence and the underlying complexity/fun factor really doesn't matter anymore

>>166050123

All pops that are being purged are not permitted to migrate, the only ones that "technically" migrate are displacement purges.

They mention it halfway through.

>>166088275
in other words
>purging helps your enemies

Sweden yes

>>166088435

Only if you're dumb enough to displacement purge, which is explicitly noted as the "purge lite".

Fucking butcher the little shits you dumb cuck.

For those of you playing the update 2 preview for Endless Space 2, what do you think of the changes?

Am I just blind or is the tech to move population around systems not in the preview build?

>>166079597
>clone wares
Listen there you lil shit

>>166082693

As it is its perfectly possible to engage in diplomatic relations even if you are fanatic xenophobic. It just takes a little bit more time. The problem is that xenophobes are forced to always enslave/purge leaving you with a shit ton of minerals, unstable systems and shitty research/energy.

>>166088275

Slaves disappear out of tin air (smugglers they say).

>>166036108
Its the most retarded concept

>>166037708
>worse
But how, you dont even control it in 1 and the "cinematic fighting" isnt even true

i am horatio
it's me

>You can eat your conquered enemies
Oh god, this is too good. Time for an extra evil xenophobe playthrough.

what game options do I need to pick for civ 6 to be fun?

>>166093768
You try to be xenophobe, but there's not enough wars.
Factions slowly form around xenophiles and pacifists.
You then are forced to placate them since they're the majority of your population.

>>166050123
You can taste that feature nicely done with Improved Population mod - alongside many other features.

Tho I took that mod and only kept few parts of it to suit my playstyle but played a very long time with all its features enabled because its awesome.

what is this horatio meme?

>>166093836
uninstall
install EL or Civ5

>you can play collectivist and pacify conquered pops by enslaving them
>the cost is nerfed energy/science and everyone in the universe hating your guts
>you can play individualist and pacify conquered pops using your capitalist magic
>there are no consequences and everyone loves you

AAA balance there, Paradox.

>>166043808
That would make too much sense for a pardox game.
Also pacifism is inherently moronic to a war game like stellaris, but i suppose it could be a term for neutral non aggression.
Pacifism needs something like a culture mechanic to be interesting. Right now its just "pretend to be peaceful: the ethos"

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>>166093921
what is el

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Is it a zoo?

>>166093891
I don't know, probably best just to ignore

>>166094020
No. It's a ranch.

>>166093989
It's not really a war game and you can play the game just fine without war.
I've played a 200+ year game without a single war.

>>166094024
like most things that are off topic I guess

>>166094020
It's the breeding pits you uncultured swine

>>166093997
Endless Legend

>>166094020
I suggest just going with their demand as 1 year will pass quickly. Nah they're the good guys alongside the science fallen ones, genuinely good guys.

>>166094123
basically civ 5 in space?

>>166094175
That's Endless Space. Endless Legend is more sci-fi fantasy.

Wormhole empire - never again, I've rushed jump-drive asap I saw it and lucky me I've got the scourge crisis instead of unbidden, which I dealt with fairly easy as they spawned in my empire and game even announced where they will arrive so I had time to build a chain of military stations around them in order to keep them caged for proper purging.

But slyly tho fuck wormhole, from now on it's hyper-drive and warp exclusively too much micromanagement on top of the micromanagement you had to do.

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>>166094205

>>166094386
Wish it was possible to have multiple FTL techs.

>>166094020
>perfectly mirrors the natural habitat
What did he mean by this?

So... if I give him humans, will he construct a house with a kitchen, living room and a TV, or will he give you trees and bananas?

>>166094386
>hyper-drive

don't do it anon. hyperlanes are worthless after all the nerfs. The game expects you to use warp and nothing else.

>>166094616
Depends if you send him humans or subhumans.

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FTL rework when? I want stargates.

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>>166094623
As the game is right now it's like it excepts you to use warpdrive + full kinetic on everything except maybe some mixtures of lasers on battleships if you want to mix max.

Seriously tho kinetic is too good on corvettes, destroyers and cruisers - I've tested multiple weapon combinations on each and always the kinetic route ended up as the best but on battleships I run pic related and it's the best for most situations.

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>>166036204
Sansha is considerably worse, Horatios are just going to kill you for not being perfect enough, the Nation implants bionics into you that keep you fully cognisant of your surroundings and sense of self but strip you of free will.

Sansha's Nation drones would walk casually into a fire if ordered to by a True Slave, all the while screaming inside their own heads.

>>166094386
I can't really play anything other than wormhole anymore, I don't mind having to slowly expand my zone of control (I kind of like the flavour of that actually). But I love how quickly you can travel with it over your established routes, and it can reach other arms of spiral galaxies.

The annoying part is the time scaling with fleet size, so Jump drive definitely becomes necessary at some point if you don't want to keep splitting your fleet for travel.

Speaking of FTL, I think my main problem with hyperlanes is that it simply never really evolves. Warp starts being able to make large, meaningful jumps, when you upgrade it, but hyperlane just stays the same for the entire time. Maybe it would be more interesting if, with higher tech, you could somehow construct additional lanes and expand the network a little by placing lanes over frequently used critical areas. Possibly with an influence cost so you don't just spam them endlessly, but enough to make it feel unique rather than just being a worse warp drive.

>>166095664
I'm starting to think that Stellaris' livestock option is a merciful one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNKmgSvTewQ

Press F to show respect.

>>166094616
African Savannah presumably.

>>166095670
By using this:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=787237639&searchtext=Stellar+Expansion+ftl

Both hyperlane and warp are relevant again.

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>>166095702
>I'm starting to think that Stellaris' livestock option is a merciful one.

I suppose the food increase could be you using them as dairy cattle if they're mammalian, rather than eating them, then they're just being kept in a technology-free but idealised habitat and milked once a day.

What vanquished xenos-breed could ask for a better life?

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SOON

>>166096117
I didn't think about that, but yeah. You don't have to raise them for meat. You can just milk them or if they're plantoid, cut them once in a while.
I wish I had a milking fetish.

>>166096220
>if they're plantoid, cut them once in a while.
>Being kept alive to periodically have your limbs amputated for your captors to eat

NOPE

>>166096486
It's more like having your hair cut.

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>>166096486
>some guy unknowingly eats your dick

>>166096117
>>166096220
I'm starting to wonder if you would be able to genetically modify a race to become better food.

>>166096558
I hope they will add a pig race maybe even cows or other edible domestic animals we have around, would make it more fun. Imagine a cow fallen empire.

>>166096558
>What are chickens

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>>166083524

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>>166096614
>Mankind gets defeated by galactic cowquereros and turned into their livestock

>>166096682
>getting milked every day
Oh nooooo
How hoooorible

>>166096775
You know what they do to cattle, right? Unless you're a grill you're gonna get slaughtered and sold at every street corner.

>>166096809
I think they will just eat the brains, that's what we do with primates usually when we eat them.

>>166096851
I thought we just burned cross in front of their house?

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>>166096682
>savages catch me
>throw me in the camp
>niggas ain't never seen a human before
>convince them my seed is just as good as milk and drinking it will make them powerful beyond their dreams
>mfw they show up for my daily milking session

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>>166096614
>cow fallen empire
I would enjoy crushing them
>be proud empire that has stagnated but is still a force to be reckoned with
>new empire rise up, whatever, they're weaklings
>one day they have the audacity to declare war on you
>what you expect to be a curbstomp becomes a long bloody war that you eventually lose
>conquerors pillage your homes and slaughter your people
>the few survivors are enslaved and forcibly relocated, your ancestral homes now belong to your conquerors
>your once proud race is now used as livestock, regularly butchered to make steaks and hamburgers that fat bastards in the slums eat
I can't imagine a more well deserved fate for a fallen empire

>>166096898
I forgot about the Fallen Empire.
Talk about a miserable end.

>>166096898
Best thing to do is liberate fallen empire, do research agreement with them, vassalize > integrate then surprise purge their entire species.

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>>166096898
But you need to consider their habitat preference. I only buy happy meat from happy bovines!

>>166040187
You can play as space germany by accepting all refugees and trying to integrate them and shit.

>>166097116
Lobotomized bovines are happy bovines.

>>166097154
I'm going to play as metagermany. Accept all the refugees, then turn them into livestock.

>>166097116
Oh don't worry, they're happy, alright.
*Applies Satramene liberally*
See? Happy!

Oh, you mean that one in the corner? It's just pinin' for the fjords!

With all this talk about eating your slaves, is food even a worthwhile resource now?

>>166096117
>I suppose the food increase could be you using them as dairy cattle if they're mammalian
https://exhentai.org/g/770213/d96589343b/

>>166097276
It means less farms and more energy plants and research facilities.

>>166097276
Probably not. I would like it if you could export food, then just turn a species's homeworld into a giant cattle farm.

>>166097010
Genocide doesn't have the same level of shame that enslavement will bring.

We're talking about one of the mightiest empires in the galaxy being defeated by an upstart who forces your people away from their homes to use as cheap labor in primitive farms and mines while taking those paradises that you built for themselves. Bonus points if they're the spiritualist type and you make them watch as you colonize and transform their holy worlds.

In practical levels this is a suboptimal choice but on the RP level that shit is beyond satisfying.

what the fuck is this game turning me into?

>>166097116
Don't worry, I think they'll enjoy living on a nice peaceful tomb world

>>166097428
>what the fuck is this game turning me into?
Xenu.

How long until we can crossbreed and basically rape the remains of the Fallen Empire?

Are rockets, torpedoes and strikecraft still shit?

>>166082496
Bump.

Are Leader-oriented traits a better purchase than Pop-oriented traits?

>>166085942
>supposed to be
Nope. Paradix said it was a 4x

>>166088762
But that makes everyone hate you also I feel bad for purging innocent xenos just ecause they inhabit a continental world.

>>166097703
>I feel bad for purging innocent xenos
You could always play as a xenophile materialist and strive to protect the galaxy from vile genocidal warmongers.

Just bought Stellaris and picked up the Leviathan DLC. Am I fucking up by not grabbing the plant people DLC too?

>>166097703
It's not 'inhumane' if they're not 'human.'

>>166097971
No, it's just a bunch of barely animated pictures and a single new ship style. Skip or pirate, it's overpriced as fuck. There aren't even new events for plant people.

>>166097971
No.