World of Warships Admiral /wowsg/

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First for lady botes.

xth for ded botes

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>No mention of Russian DD branch
Anon...

Shamfur dispray anon
RU DDs INCOMING
>>https://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/common/soviet-destroyer-incoming/

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Tier VIII Italian Premium Littorio Class BB Roma when?

>>165831026
It's other anons that bother editing the OP, I just copy the old one and get a new thread going when it's clear that nobody else can be bothered to make one.

>>165831104
After RU BBs. )))))))))))))))))))

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>>165830983
Best hotel. qtest/5 stars

>>165831125
Kill yourself

>>165831501
Make me
Oh wait, apparently you can't make anything :^)

What will italy's national peculiarity be?
Will they shoot meatballs and explode in spaghetti?

>>165831707
low damage

>>165831501
fuck off bully reeeeeeeee get out of here

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>>165831250
Literally.

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>>165831707
Ship can scream "Vincere" and reveal all enemies on the map for 0.5s

what should i do with captains before 0.6.0?

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What do?

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check em

>>165832397
Breed them.

Try to get them to 10.

>>165832512
If you like German BBs she's still a pretty fun bote, and that is a decent discount
it's up to you anon, if you want to give WG your shekels or not

>>165832512
don't do it

>>165832512
fuck give me that offer wg

>>165831707
The Ability to switch sides, when Loosing or to be just useless in general.
It depends if they are first or second WW Ships.

>>165832512
Do it if you're close to get the tirpitz camo from the campaign.

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Patch notes are up:
>https://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/announcements/ver-06_0-patchnotes/

TEAMKILL MOSH.

>>165833254
>Radio positioning skill really is making it to live
ebin

>>165833254

They set up the skills tier 1 skills, forcing you to pretty much either go Incoming Fire Alert, Expert Loader or Priority Target, unless you're a carrier, which all seem a little useless for anyone with decent situation awareness. Expert loader is terrible, IMO.

Thoughts?

>>165833552
Priority Target seems at least mildly useful for cruisers, for knowing when it might be safe to turn or make a risky move.
Though still that only confirms what you should be looking out for yourself anyway.

>hey guise 10 million xp for the 19 point now only 300k!
>grinding new captains harder now, encourage transferring commanders using jew shekels to grind that sweet sweet commander xp :^))))

>>165833552
Direction Center for Catapult fighter on BBs and CAs, Prev. Maintenance for DDs

>>165833471
BaDDies blown the fuck out!

>>165833254
I suddenly feel like fucking a slug

>>165833732

You're right. That's the way to do it.

Extra catapult doesn't seem bad at all, actually, considering how nice it is for spotting, and complementing the already impressive AA on a BB.

>>165833746
More like IJN DDs blown the fuck out.
Now it's even easier to bully them with gunbotes. Nothing of value was lost.

>slightly harder to level new commanders
>50% is slightly harder

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>French BB line still not announced

fucking kill me

>>165833815
Too bad they also reduced the duration to 90 seconds. Oh well, still better than the rest.

>>165833254
>https://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/announcements/ver-06_0-patchnotes/

Why do SEAmonkeys get the best WG staff? I swear, pretty much every patch announcement appeared on SEA first.

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>>165833552
Direction center on BB and CAs is now mandatory, mostly because how useless the rest of the skills are.
>>165833645
It's a meme skill. You can get the same information by just looking at enemy BBs and timing their shots. All you need is some simple situational awareness.
>>165833732
Prev maintenance is pretty useless.
If you're running a DD that needs to keep his engine/rudder at all costs, like a good gunboat, you're already running last stand.
If you're running a DD that gave away last stand in exchange of extra seconds on torps or something, the small bonus is not going to make much of a difference anyway whenever you're caught in a situation where you need to run away ASAP


Really my main issue with the patch is not RDF, but how useless the T1 skills were made to be. BBs go through it mostly unscathed, tho still lose big on no T1 BoS, which is not so basic anymore.

>>165834043
SEA offices are desperate to keep everyone from just leaving for better servers.

>>165834043
Lunatic please.

>>165834112
>Direction center on BB and CAs is now mandatory, mostly because how useless the rest of the skills are.
And for all the BBs and CAs that don't have fighter planes?

>>165834043
The sun rises in the East, anon. SEA lives in a time ahead of us, in every sense.

>>165834174
Low tier trash nobody cares about. Soviets can choose p much anything since it doesn't matter as all other 1pt skills are trash.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we're going to see a lot of destroyers complain when a BB expert loads into HE and fucks him up.

>>165834118
You're right, server migration for stat padding and sealclubbing purposes should be discouraged. If a 55% shitter on SEA can get 70% on NA, imagine the shift in balance if there was a mass exodus. Droves of native NA players would just up and quit in frustration.

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>>165834174
They're fucked and get to pick a meme skill.

Really, Direction Center for Catapult, with the old plane duration, would've made for an interesting alternative to T1 BoS and BFT.

>>165834313
AP deals a shitton of damage to DDs anyway, and has the potential to outright one-shot it. No point in wasting 15 seconds to re-reload when you already have a perfectly good shell in.

>>165834313
AP can already deal massive damage to DD if it angled

>>165834246
>all BBs below T7
>Bong CLs
>RU Crusiers
>high tier US CAs

>>165834478
I don't mind the idea of it becoming more of a powerful but shorter lived cooldown, it's just a shame that everything else you can chose from there is such garbage so the difference between ships that have fighters and ships that don't is so dramatic.

how come amagi perma camo so cheap? only 1k dubs?

>>165834806
Because it looks like fucking shit, just like every IJN camo, so they know people won't want to pay a bunch of shekels to cover their ship in puke.

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>>165833254
hello peoples im the normie who wanted to make a social clan for the tag since botes is full of autists and with no extra vacancy for any other autists

the clan not only wont be expanded above 30 members, it also costs significantly more that i was able to shove on it.

if someone wants to make [NOPAN] you can go ahead, unless jake can literally gift me 2k doooobloooons.

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>just got the Yorck
>first game, get my citpussy ravaged by a North Carolina bow-on during the opening salvo
>explode

>>165834112
PT would work on DDs if RPF wasnt a thing. would tell them how many invisible DDs they have to evade to hide

>warships.today is broken again
>can't jerk off over my own stats for each day
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>165835112
Not really, not every DD would be targeting them, which means they wouldn't show up on the number.

>>165834980
No point in making another clan. Clans are getting expanded to 100 players. Timeline is early spring. Before that there are plans for clan modes, so no point in making more.

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>You were supposed to get free xp as compensation for nagato and amagi in ST
>Now its ship xp
GG WG.

>>165835160
a qna said it wont be that much.

im expecting 50 wich should leave ~15 out of botes

>>165835331
>free XP'd both of them
>that's over 60k free XP just gone
Ebin WG, just ebin.

>>165835356
And the newest QnA confirmed that it will be that much.
>1. The size of a clan will initially be limited to 30 members. We plan to expand to 100 members this Spring. The maximum size might reach 300 members eventually.
thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/01/16/wows-qa-16th-january-2017/

>>165835160
But I want a cool Clan Tag and maybe some spontaneous divs.

>>165835806
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone did make one just out of impatience before they get expanded.
And then we'll be stuck with multiple half filled clans.

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>>165833254
>2-3x the grind to level up commanders till higher ranks.
>33% more XP to get from New to 13pt commander.
>XP needed for 14-18 is 20% less

>Total XP to go from New to 18 points is 8.5% less than it had been before.

So the grind is a bit shorter overall, but will feel like utter shit for players training new commanders for the first 12-13 points

The 10,000,000 for 19 point commander was fucking retarded on their part.
>Makes it 85% cheaper grind now vs then when counting New to 19pt.

>>165834112
>BoS is now NSBS
Kek.

>>165835160
>Timeline is early spring
>Clans had been coming soon™ since early 2015 and only arrived at the end of 2016
I'd recommend making another clan with the idea it could be wiped out/abandoned whenever the size increase actually happens and players pick which name they enjoy more. Because otherwise the cost'll increase, or perhaps there will be some unforeseen delays that bumps it out to summer, or fall, or soon™.

>>165836671
>Still believe in coming soon™
It's ok, anon, I did that too in the beginning.

>>165832397
>what should i do with captains before 0.6.0?
Put them in more fights so they can evolve. Be a good Trainer.

>>165831707
>Be Italian captain
>Actual spaghetti falls out of pocket.

>>165834806
That's a mistake on the article. Real price is 3k.

>>165836671
There are no clan mode planned before the roster cap increase. There's literally no point in making new clans in the meanwhile. The /vg/ chat is perfectly functional for div assembly and general conversation; even if the list bugs from time to time, people still read and reply.

By the time the roster limits are eliminated, we'll have infighting over who should merge with who, and end up with at least two anemic underpopulated clans that can do nothing. And bitter resentment.

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>>165832601
>>165832397
Get all your captains to 13 points and put them aside.
14 point on is when it gets cheaper XP wise

the New to 10 point grind is 44% slower and New to 13 point grind is 33% slower.
But from 14 points on the grind is faster.

Or if you have all the 13 point commanders you could want, grind on commanders with the highest XP you have for more commander XP and booster mentioned in the notes

>>165835118
Same, I love that deep purple.

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>>165837593
>watching the positive difference on my winrate each day

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>>165836431
>Completely forgot about captain retraining costs
God Damn the grind is going to be painful.

>>165832601
>>165832397
>>165837591
For a slightly more detailed look, try this out:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ak36oGXq8cTaZdv9_i5R-6P407suCshYvErkUVT3E_s/edit?usp=sharing

In addition to telling you if WG is going to make you grind more xp on the captain come next patch, it'll tell you how much xp WG is going to jew you for in 0.6.0, so you can figure out which ships to prioritize captain grinding on.

>>165837591
So it doesn't just delete your progression anymore?

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>>165830983
I want to have tea time with the Bongos. :(

>>165838546
>tfw you will never have a little bongo model bote

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>>165838629
You can buy them.

>>165838682
Yeah but I don't have the skills to make a good one, especially painting it.

>>165836431
>>165837591
This is completely retarded.

They introduce this system that effectively punishes new players at a time when the game needs more new players, especially on NA.

And it is set up in a way that most new players will nevr make it to higer commander ranks because they'll just see the fuckhuge cost of getting to 13 or 14 points and simply quit, or just keep playing new ships with new commanders for a bit and then quit.

This is more of the retarded 'money now, get the goyim to buy one ship and then leave, fuck next year and sustainability' mentality that almost killed this game on release.

It's like they forgot everything that made WoT a success.

>>165838835
>And it is set up in a way that most new players will nevr make it to higer commander ranks because they'll just see the fuckhuge cost of getting to 13 or 14 points and simply quit
Not really. "15 points" is no longer the grail for a captain. With everything now capped at 4 points, a 10pt captain is what everyone would be shooting for, and though the xp requirements for 10 points is a bit higher than it was before, it's still within the realm of possibility for the average casual player. There will no longer be any effectively unobtainable 5-point skills, and that'll make the average joe feel better.

>>165833917

>hurf durf I am le maymay and will post this in every thread even though they basically confirmed it

a semi decent EU thing https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/updates/patch-notes-060/

>>165838835
World of Tanks crew grind is arguably more unforgiving in my opinion

At least everyone has sixth sense in WoWS

>>165839372
You used to not have sixth sense (situational awareness) in wows too

>>165839020
>The xp requirements for 10 points is a bit higher than it was before
>44% more is 'a bit'

>>165839372
Tbh WoWs is just way more friendly to new players than WoT is, this change actually supports that in a way because now players can get any captain skill in the game within 183k captain XP, as opposed to needing to grind 647k XP to be able to get stuff like CE or AS.
Sure getting those initial tiers of skills is more of a pain in the ass because they jacked up the cost of those 10 points, but overall when combined with the reduction from 5 tiers to 4 more than balances it out.

>>165839915
I'm just a little annoyed about the influx of low tier dds with concealment, it was pretty fun seal clubbing in farragut/kamikaze

>>165840107
That's one of the things I like most about it.
Seeing sealclubbers sad makes me amazingly happy.

>>165839020
OK, that's true.

>>165839372
WoT did not have Sixth Sense for the first two years, and crew skills were almost an afterthought.
Apart from certain TDs and medium tanks with camo crews being literally Klingons and certain heavies with full repair crews being able to pretty much keep driving no matter what.

Only after they added 6th Sense, Safe Stowage and Preventative Maintenance (to stop the permanent German transmission fires) plus BiA did a real jump in performance between a base 100% crew and a 3 or 4 skill crew become apparent.

I agree that WoWS is a lot more noob-friendly in this regard, but if you come right down to it the new make-or-break will now be 14 points concealment + RDF (or manual secondaries + RDF)

>>165839787
>183000 aggregate xp
wow_it's_fucking_nothing.jpg

>>165840448

>no 333% flags
>no 250% camo

>b-but just play 10k exp games with kraken and you'll have it in no time

>>165840820
Yeah, as opposed to needing to grind almost 650k XP to get certain skills like it takes now?
I'm sure new players are real sad about that.

What panties are your bote currently wearing, /wowsg/?

>>165839342
Fuck off cant you see he is a broken man?

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Due to popular demand, the password for the European chat channel has been removed.

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>Survival Expert nerfed
>Radio location thingy not removed

fuck off WG

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>>165840995

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>>165841247
Based

>>165839342
They said that 2 branches will come out in 2017. Could be the Cruiser and Destroyer lines.

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>>165841247

>popular demand

You mean the 2 or 3 guys? including me

>>165841521
Prolly a CV branch just to fuck with us.

>>165841574
That's a huge chunk of the EU /wowsg/ers

>>165841247
WOW!

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>Akizuki: Changed armor penetration for explosive shells from 19 to 17 mm

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>>165839349
"Changed the armour penetration for Akizuki’s explosive shells from 19 mm to 17 mm."

"For Bismarck, the parameters of the Hydroacoustic Search consumable were changed to the standard parameters for Tier VIII ships."

>>165841864
>>165841924
It was always supposed to be 17mm, as long as they were keeping to their regular HE penetration is 1/6th of shell caliber rule anyway.

Also the Bisko change is deserved.

>>165841864
>>165841864
ducky fags BTFO and on suicidewatch

they will never recover!

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>>165842095
>posted from my permamently melting BB
it's cute watching you guys panic knowing you cant escape

>>165839349
Meh, RDF ruins it

.>>165841924
Bisko change is fine.

Catapult planes are up for 90secs now not the 60 sec like in PT so that second plane actually has time to get up and be useful for a min.

>>165842352
>ching chong 32 sweetsour

kys zipperhead

>>165841864
It literally changed nothing.
To pen with HE you need penetration greater then enemy armor.
Since 19mm is not greater than 19mm, this changes nothing

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>>165842409

>They nerfed my Dunk's catapult plon
yeah fuck you

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>>165840448
For you, an established player who has invested who knows how much $$$ in the game already and has a stockpile of flags, and camos and such, sure.

But 183k compared to 102k grind for a New to 10 point captain for a new player?

They'll be feeling it.

>Increase in retraining cost to swap commanders between ships
>+20% for 16pt
>+33% for a 17pt
>+42% for a 18pt
>60% difference between then and now for retraining a 19pt commander

And thinking on it, I may have been wording it incorrectly these last few posts.
Since 250k - 60% is 100k. whereas 100k was the 'old/base-line' so 100,000 + 150% is 250k

So it might be +150% more to the retraining involved in swapping a 19pt to a new ship instead of 60%.

and 78% more grind for a New to 10pt commander instead of 44% (102,900 + 78% = 183,162 and you need 183k for 10pt.)


Either way, like everything else WG lays their hands on, they want the grind to be longer.
Total War Arena is so fucked.

>>165842450
Is ther eeven anything in the game that has 17 or 18 mm plating?

Most plates seem to be 13mm, 16 mm or 19 mm.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>165842908
kys chainchimp

>>165841521

It is just the CA and DD line, they confirmed they have no plans for a 2017 French BB release.

should i buy atlanta?

when it will be out of the store?

i like cruisers, im light blue to them at worse, i like DDs and pushing them off places too.

>>165842890
That's why I said that this change nothing. Because there is no armor plate that will be affected by this change

>>165843643
No.

>>165842908
>Hotel
>DDs
I thought he was a baBBy that hated DDs?

>>165843725
>Shells only strike plating at perpendicular angles

t. retard

>>165843747

t. DD

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Now that chain_chomp and Hotel_a_QT finally kicked abrach for leaching on their stats, who will take the third spot on the best /wowsg/ div?

>>165843846
>HE
>affected by angle
kys retard

>>165844527
>implying they won't still carry him out of pity

>>165844732
See >>165842908

He's been kicked and blocked for good.

>>165844690
In terms of penetrating armor? Yes. Are you fucking stupid?

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>>165845312
That's not how HE works.

>bottom tier
>your CV is 46% and their's is a dedicated CVnt with a positive WR
why even bother playing

>>165845312
You never asked yourself "why my angling does nothing against HE"?

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>>165845312
>>165845494

>>165845312
HE checks for thickness, not angle. If it doesn't penetrate, it just shatters and maybe starts a fire.

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I'm the anon with Emerald, I finally got Leander, Pic related, Sorta, Hopefully this should make getting Graf Spee easier

>>165832397
>If they are at or above 16 points, there is no need to grind
>If any are about to earn a point between 11 and 16, get them to that point
>If they have a low number of points or you foresee a need for more captains from a specific nation, train them up to the tenth point
>After you have finished training up your captains as described above, identify which ships benefit the most from a high skill point captain (typically high tier ships) and assign your captains to those ships accordingly. Don't pay for any retraining bonuses as retraining will be completed automatically when the patch drops.

Make a copy of this sheet and use the Captain Planner to see which captains most direly need grinding.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JapnvYHgTRn1ndUlLD9eFiRMfeEc6Ufqf7RHVy4HEzk/edit?usp=sharing

>>165833552
>>165834112
Priority Target is huge, especially on ships that rely on WASD-hacks. With Khaba for example, you need to keep constantly focused on your target and there is no time to keep an eye on what other enemies are doing.

>>165837591
13 points is a waste of time if you're starting from scratch: going from the 10th to 13th point requires you to triple your total XP. The 10th point is where the marginal gains begin to decrease and where you should stop if you're stockpiling fresh captains.

>>165842819
They removed the retraining cap?

Do you need to shoot at the water to citadel other cruisers at close range in the RN CLs?

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>CA only knows 40kn full speed and nothing else

>>165847056
How close is "close"? 4km? 2?

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Whats a good non prem ship to train RU DD captains?

>>165847119
>CA
>40 knots
?

>>165847138
Around that distance, yes.

>>165847157
Kiev

>>165847056
No, because your fuse delay and fuse sensitive is so short, that it would explode harmlessly in the water rather then penetrated underwater belt.

>>165847157
Gnevny or Svetlana

>>165847245
Kiev needs AFT too much for it to be good at training up new captains.

>>165847313
Do I shoot exactly at the waterline or do I shift up a little? Most of my shots doesn't hit the citadel and only does normal pens.

>>165847501
I personally aim at the middle of the hull. Better a normal pen than a lost shell in the water.

>>165847627
I know what you mean, but I would rather score a cit and delete the other guy faster since HE can citpen RN CLs too.

>>165847501
What ship are you on? Because Emerald and below, their AP sucks.

>>165847793
Leander, since I'm learning how to use it. It should work the same for the the higher tiers too, since they get the same guns and all.

Jesus Christ have DD players killed themselves yet? And:

>Akizuki: Changed armor penetration for explosive shells from 19 to 17 mm

So wargamming is saying loud and clear: Fuck IJN DD players... I couldn't agree more.

>>165848331
Every patch has an IJN DD nerf lel

>>165848487
Good, you can't expect people to dodge something they can't see.

>>165848487

Shouldn't they just take the hint and quit the game? I mean WGing is being pretty loud and clear, "We don't like your class, we don't think it's performing in any way below what we think it should (q/a last week was great) and basically we want them in a true secondary role/"

So just fucking quit DDouches, no one wants you here, not even the people making the game.

>>165848559

t. baBBie

>>165847627
An AP shell hitting the water doesn't necessarily mean that it's a lost shell. It will lose some penetration, but it can still be enough to penetrate.

>>165848808
WG agrees with that sentiment too.

>>165848847
Yeah but RN AP is special gimmick AP with ridiculously low fuse sensitivity and fuse delay timer, so underwater pen is gonna be extremely rare.

>>165848808

t. BTFO DDouche

Seriously just go to Steel Ocean or shit something else up somewhere else.

>>165848847
Sure, but he's talking about a RN CL, whose shells aren't going to have much going for them once they hit water.

>>165849065
* forgot to add
I mean the shells do penetration damage to broadside destroyers, Only other guns that can do that is Akizuki's

>>165849078

If your ass is sailing in a straight line you deserve to eat every single one of them.

>sailing along in my BB
>look at the enemy team
>4 destroyers, two of which are japanese
>coming up on a pass between islands
>execute a half rudder turn and slow down a bit while taking a shot at a broadside on cruiser
>hear the torpedo warning
>they pass harmlessly in front of me
>impact against another BB and kill a cruiser that didnt check the team lineup.

>>165849497

And you cockfags deserve every nerf you're getting. Up next: No more stealth firing, after that: Torps count as Main Battery and so the DD lights up when they use them.

>>165846794
in the past if you took a 15/16/17/18/19 point captain and put him on a new ship you were looking at 100k retraining XP cost (50k since you just burn silver to cut it in half.)

Now you will be looking at
skill | Cost in XP to retrain, not counting 50% reduction from silver
>15| 100k
>16| 125k
>17| 150k
>18| 175k
>19| 250k

and 100k to 250k is +150% costs.

And regarding stopping at 10 points. true enough. Though I was meaning just a 'do not progress beyond this point' with the Stop at 13-14 since the grind definitely gets reduced past that point.
>6k more xp for a 13pt
>4k less XP for a 14pt
>20k less XP for a 15pt
>42k less XP for a 16pt
>72k less XP for a 17pt
>110k less XP for a 18pt
>9,700,000 less XP for a 19pt
-
-
Based on the charts shown on patch notes (They are minimized by default on the page)

>>165849597
>there are people that don't constantly change course and speed
>

>>165849923
Too complicated and confusing for new players))))))))))

>>165849923
The only time I dont is when I know I'm safe and I'm trying to get somewhere.
But even fighting against BB's and CA's I alternate throttle settings.

>>165849698
>Cruiser sailed for 15sec in a line and got killed
>git gud
>baBBie sailed in a line for a minute and got scratched?
>OMG SO OP. WG NERF!!!!111

>>165849842
The hell? They removed hard cap of 100k exp to retrain?

>>165850130

Pretty much. And the best part is WG agrees. So eat it DDouche. You choose the wrong class and your saltyness is palpable.

>>165850376
>DDouche
lol, I am a CAsual

Really, as primarilly a BB player, it's not the japanese destroyers that are the problem, if anything I just laugh when I see them in the lineup because they're so easy to counter. It's the other destroyers that are the problem.

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The 6.0 Feedback QnA on plebbit is like an angry hornet's nest.

>>165850627
I'm always more worried about stacking fires from DDs in smoke that I can't push into than I am about torpedoes. I don't play any BBs with radar or sonar so when the game inevitably fills up with smoke everywhere I have to rely on my teammates, and that's rarely a great option.
Probably why I've switched to playing DDs especially at higher tiers desu.
But the IJN DDs have been by far the least threatening ever since they originally killed off the 20km torps ages ago.

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>Changed armour penetration for Akizuki high explosive shells from 19 mm to 17 mm

>useless T1 skills

>BFT, BoS and SI is T3 now, can only choose two now

>70% harder to go from 1 point to 13 points

>"We want to help new players" - Wargaming

>"IJN DDs never use their guns and relies on torps too much, that's why people think it's a weak line" - Wargaming

>WG managed to nerf BBs as well

>>165851073
I'd actually be afraid of the Jap gunship line if they were actual gunships and not just torpedo boats by a different name. The hackjob they did just makes me mad.

>>165848847
Yeah, it was kind of the whole point of japanese gunnery school before WW2 to shoot underwater and hit below the armor belt.

>>165851054
Well, reddit was against Radio.. How it is called now.
So when they realized that we didn't it reddit, of course they are kinda angry

>>165851910
Ducky can be scary if she's in position to take advantage of a BB that gets bow-locked because of how good she is at starting fires.
But the rest of the line is a mess.

>>165852072
I don't think any community anywhere is in favor of it though. Nobody here likes it, reddit doesn't like it, none of the regional forums like it, STs don't like it. The closest I've seen to anything anyone positive has had to say about it has been 'it won't be that big of a deal because nobody will pick it', which is a pretty fucking shitty argument to have it in the game.

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>>165833917
>French battleship line won't be coming in 2017 according to developer statements
>Russian battleship line won't be coming for a long long time according to developer statements at WGFest
>RN BBs being modelled right now
>RN BB line de facto confirmed for 2017

>>165852276
Well, I have Leander now, It's good in the sense it doesn't die in one blow, I could land some hits on Battleships, Can't wait for RN BBs

>>165852247
Well and you cant argue nobody will pick it because you can't play as though nobody will pick it. You have to assume that everybody has it.

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This was my team's Des Moines that died to an Atago's torpedoes last match. Just fucking kill me.

An italian North Carolina with less AA but better Concealment?

I really don't see why people are getting so asspained about the change to ducky's HE penetration, it doesn't have any gameplay effect because of how the HE mechanics work.
Is it just that people are complaining because they see a nerf without knowing what it actually means? Surely nobody here would do that.

>>165852805
People here don't understand the mechanics either.
Reminder that for a while after launch there were people who thought angling was a meme.

>>165852963

Many myths of WoWs, something WGing needs to do a video over.

1. Repair costs are a fixed value now, yet so many try to avoid damage with the excuse "It costs money"

2. Shell Normalization is better on USN ships. No it's not, 0.5.10 has all shell normalizations fixed based on calibre

3. The platting, not the actual transverse armor, is what causes angling to work, which is also tied to tier, not the individual ship.

Add more!

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>>165852276
>post yfw the Tier X is a balans fusion of all late Lion designs with the 406mm L/50s 3x3 with a 20 second reload (that can be brought down to 18 seconds with the RoF upgrade) plus supercharged rounds, a 30kt top speed, 24 4.5in DP secondaries, 60 Bofors and as many Oerlikons as possible

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Spearheading a lemming train is a shitty job, but someone's gotta do it.

If you get lucky you might get basic damage done before everyone focus fires you down, but tanking with the bow on is what tier 8+ burger BBs excel at anyway.
So long as the train does not stop.

>>165853290

RN BB's 'thing' is gona be super hard hitting AP rounds due to the RN's propensity to use oversized bursting charges. They'll cit at Tier 8 for min of 18000 per shell.

>>165853283
>. Shell Normalization is better on USN ships. No it's not, 0.5.10 has all shell normalizations fixed based on calibre
Yeah. They need to do a video differentiating between autobounce and normalization.
And somehow make random retards watch all those.

>>165852683
Littorio would be an interesting ship. She outranges the Yamato, but her ROF would be abysmal, and if Italian shells are brought into account so would her dispersion. Her shells would be a little faster than normal compared to the French and German 38cms.

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why are my teammates always so mean to each other in chat ;_; This is creating an unpleasant work environment.

Also why do turboshitters rando start sperging about teammates.

>>165847245
>>165847356
Thanks for the help ,I guess I'll put my captain in a Kiev But I don't understand something if I have an Udaloi and a Kiev how will captain cloning work ,will I have 2 Udaloi captains in the new Kiev and Udaloi and one from old Kiev in Minsk?

>>165853531
RIP Pensacola and Mogami

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>>165851910
IJN, at least hatsu and fubuki, were workable gunships before the split. Sure, they didn't fare too well against dedicated anti-DD gunships in a straight brawl, but the high alpha and high firechance allowed them to get some decent damage against BBs/CAs, and allowed them to run away from US/RU DDs, who'd think twice about giving pursuit after receiving 2k damage in a single salvo.

So of course WG decided to go nerf both the torps AND the guns.

>>165853780
>She outranges the Yamato
>hadn't really ever looked into the Pasta BBs because they're tied with the RN for the navy that I find the least interesting so I didn't believe it
>turns out it's actually true
Huh. Learn something new every day.

>>165852503
>You have to assume that everybody has it.
t. didn't play the PT or even look at a screenshot
No you don't.

>>165853283
>which is also tied to tier, not the individual ship.
Many ships, KM BBs amongst others, have belts which extend far forwards and help with angling.

>butt into nearby fresh dd smoke
>nuke enemy dd he is fighting
>watch as he torps BB
>"good smoke bro"
>recieve a big present after battle

t-thanks!

>>165854546
I'm assuming he means bow-on immunity, not the tactic of angling.
Bow-on immunity only relies on what thresholds the bow plating meets and what BB guns can and can't overmatch it, as opposed to trying to maximize effectiveness of stuff like armored belts and bulkheads.

>>165854276
Not that it matters since the game decides range as a function of the width of the main rangefinder and it's height of the ground, though WG aren't afraid to change on case by case basis it for balans sake (e.g. Khaba range nerf)

>>165854857
>big present

Pic of feet?

>>165852963
It was not angling. What was generally thought as a meme was reverse bow-front camping. Because there were a lot more stuff that could kill a static BB in those days, like Shimakazes and godmode CVs.

These days? Not so much left to predate on that cancer, so it runs rampant as the go-to tactic for T10.

>>165851054

Cause they're all DD cockfags that rely on broken spotting mechs to get by. Also they think they are a special snowflake that the Devs listen to and hold in high esteem and this just confirms the RU Dev team, you know the one that actually makes the fucking decisions, couldn't give two fucking shits over reddit.

>>165854167
>Hatsu
>dropped a tier
>guns get worse
>Bucky
>dropped two tiers
>guns and torps get worse
W O W

>>165855384
Anon, may I ask you to show your stats?

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T-22 isn't all that bad.

I AM POTATO

LOL SO FUNNY POTATO

POTATO BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE A VEGETABLE LMAO

POTATO XD

>>165855660
very potent post

>>165855593

Yeah, sure, my ingame name is eat-it-DDouches-and-enjoy-being-relegated-to-the-second-class-status-of-support-ships-like-Destroyers-were-in-WWII.

>>165855785
>Muh historical accuracy.
I see

>>165855450
Their T7 and 8 replacements have the same number of guns as the old Hatsu and bucky. But with nerfed shells and nothing else to make up for it.

W O W

LIKE, THEY'RE FUCKING SHIT

>>165855785
>like-Destroyers-were-in-WWII.
So it's historically accurate ?

>>165854546
>need to make a game winning play
>come around an island
>eat pre aimed shells because the one guy had RDF

Betting on nobody having it is the mark of a shitter.

>>165855374
No, there were actually people who argued you should broadside at all times and angling did nothing purely because these were boats and not tanks.

>>165852517
>Blue today
>Killed by a competent pay-to win- player

You can't even whine correctly

>>165856206
Yeah. But BB that leave the port are not.
We should totally forbid that.
Alternatively give Midway second torp wall, and Jets.

>>165835009
chai snipe HE for the whole game and if you have to brawl get that sweet sweet AP ready but only brawl unless you know they wont ravage your citpucci and torp dumb tier 6 BBs

>>165856447
>Located by RDF
>Goes around the corner anyway
You wouldn't go all in on high card 6, would you?

If the enemy has the RDF skill and i do not do i get a warning that i am being watched via a wallhack?

>>165857301
RDF is always active. You don't always get dealt a shit hand. How do you consider these two scenarios to be in any way comparable?
>>165857750
You do.

>>165852517
What did he mean by this? Him dying to a ship two tiers lower than him when he has every advantage holds with his pattern of 700 WTR across 2400 matches.

R8 my shopping spree.

Zao
Freddy G
Shiratsuyu
Fiji

Free, instant retraining worth.

>>165858013
meant for
>>165856665

>See that you've got a shit hand
>Fold

>See that you're detected by RDF
>Disengage

Are you simple?

>>165858292
>all players are equally subject to the whims of card RNG, you'll get your chance
>one player picked a skill that passively forces you to disengage and accomplish nothing until his wallhax target someone else
Are you going to make a food analogy next?

>>165856882

What are:

Battle Off Samar
Suragao Strait
Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
Battle of the Denmark Straight
Final Fight of the Bismarck
About 35 different Naval Bombardment Campaigns
Destruction of the French Fleet at Toulon
Indian Ocean Raid
Battle of Cape Matapan
Battle of Taranto
Battle of Calabria
Battles of Narvik
and about another dozen instances of Battleships sink enemy ships, underway, at sea, including instance with the USS Missouri, Iowa, and Massachusetts.

The myth, and that's all it is, a myth, that Battleships didn't play a huge role in WWII is complete garbage and those that espouse it just expose themselves as people who know nothing about which they speak.

>>165858697

Add to this:

Attack on Mers-el-Kébir
Battle of Casablanca
Battle of Cape Spartivento
Battle of Dakar

All of which involved Battleships shooting other battleships.

>>165858471
MM is RNG too my friend :^)

The point is that there's no need to bet that everyone has it because the hand is dealt face up.

>>165858697
>>165859218
The common factor amongst all of these is that they involved battleships, rather than they had any import on the outcome of the war. Convoys and submarine warfare were undoubtedly more significant.

>>165856147
Shiratsuyu has torp reload booster to make up for it. Alternatively, Akatsuki has more guns and more torps than Hatsu ever had. Both are more capable than old Hatsu.

Kagero was a sidegrade and continues to be so.

One line was improved and the other not worsened. The sky is not falling.

>>165857906
Hm.

I realised i am getting watched i turn away like a bitch and do nothing useful until my entire team dies and i get hunted.

>>165859585

War is not about big battles, and decisive campaigns rarely take place. It's the little inch by inch, giving and taking ground. Battleships were instrumental in maintaining control of the Mediterranean, protecting ground troops while mounting amphibious assaults, or bottling up enemy fleets in order to prevent them from doing the same. There really haven't been, in history, too many wars decided at Sea. The Russo-Japense war is really one of the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. Even Trafalgar, a great RN victory, didn't DECIDE the Napoleanic War, and didn't really have a grand effect on the land campaigns. It still took years and many very important land battles to finally drive him off the contenant.

Battleships did the job they were supposed to do, not the job people *wanted* them to do.

>>165858697
>Destruction of the French Fleet at Toulon
Ahahahhahaah
hahahahha
How the fuck is the French scuttling their own fleet when the Germans trying to take them "instances of Battleships sinking enemy ships?"
I mean sure the battleship crew scuttled their own ship but that doesn't mean shit regarding battleships.
are you just fucking using wikipedia to look up battles with the word "Battleship" in them?

>>165861006

It's them playing an important role in the War. By denying the Germans access to the French fleet, the prevented the German navy from more than doubling in size, especially in battleship numbers, thereby preventing German from maintaining control of the North Sea, and preventing them from playing a major role in the Naval Battle(s) for the Med.

>>165860545
>Battleships did the job they were supposed to do, not the job people *wanted* them to do.
Eh, more like battleships did what they were capable of doing competently and not what many imagined them to be being capable of doing.

>>165861231
They were literally sunk in port, just like the person you were trying to rebut >>165856882 said.

Actually read the battles you try to use as an example of Battleship action before you try to quote them.

>>165861231
>Germans getting the French fleet
>having anything to do with their ability to control the North Sea
Anon please. The Germans had to get their BBs and cruisers out of Brest in Operation Cerberus because they had no adequate facilities for them on the French coasts. What makes you think they'd be able to get their newly acquired formerly French fleet out of the Mediterranean, much less all the way out to the North Sea?

>>165858697
>Battle Off Samar
The battle where DDs completely outperformed heavy cruisers and battleships?
>Suragao Strait
Most of the damage was done by destroyers and cruisers (3/4 DDs, 1/2 BBs). Only Yamashiro was sunk by a battle line of six battleships.
>Indian Ocean Raid
>Taranto
The battleships didn't fire a shot in either of these, they were just escorting the carriers. Or is Pearl Harbor suddenly a Battleship operation because Nagato was there and US battleships were sunk?

Concealment or Jack of all Trades for US CAs?

>>165861545

that fleet, along with the Italians would tie up even more of the RN in the med.

>>165861545

Because this took place years before that when the RN was not in as a tenable position as it would later be?

>>165861486

Battleships playing a role in the war is not the same thing as killing 1000's of people in a battle at sea. Their very existence is a role at that time. In so denying the German's access to ships, the prevent axis Battleship numbers to increase, numbers that could have been very detrimental to a war.

Potentially, had the German's secured the French fleet, that makes Operation Torch and the Invasion of North Africa neigh impossible, as steaming an invasion fleet in against what would now be the 2nd largest fleet in the Europe, which means the invasions of Sicily and Italy are either impossible for similar reasons, or significantly more difficult, which means more fresh German troops are available for repelling Invasion forces in Normandy, and that's the war.

It's about taking and holding, not about killing. The French fleet was 'held' and as such, their destruction in a very real way played a role in the war.

>>165861851
doesnt really matter because everything is changing in 2 days

get manual secondaries and report back to us

>>165862037
Oh right, forgot.

>>165861987
>Because this took place years before that when the RN was not in as a tenable position as it would later be?
>Channel Dash: February 1942
>scuttling of fleet at Toulon: November 1942
What did he mean by that?

>>165861903
And what really bottled up the Germans in the North Sea was not the surface fleet as much as the RAF.

list_of_tirpitz_battle_achievements.jpg

>>165861903
>>165861987
The US Navy had already arrived in the Mediterranean and crushed the Vichy naval garrison at Casablanca, the allies were no longer in an "untenable" position. The only functional battleship at Toulon was Strasbourg, and Massachusetts had soundly drubbed Strasbourg's successor, Jean Bart at Casablanca. Even if the Germans had managed to dragoon the clearly uncooperative French into manning those ships it would still have been inconsequential.

>>165861847

Not him but he was responding, it looks, to the idea Battleships stayed in port all war, which all of those examples you mention show they were not. I think you are mixing up the words "most" with "were." Battleships were not the *most* important elements of fleet action, nor provided the *most* effect on the war, but they *were* important in their own ways and DID play a role. By your logic the only ground units that mattered in WWII were commando units, invasion troops, and the Atomic bombs, and that you could remove all other influences and troops and get the same outcome.

>>165862303
And those battles (including others I didn't mention, like Guadalcanal) demonstrated that Destroyers were not second-class support ships in the war, as said in >>165855785

In fact, second only to the carriers, Destroyers were the most important naval asset in the war for their work in their work against German Submarines and Japanese planes, both of whom posed far greater threats to the allies than German or Japanese battleships.

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>team has 3 Gearings
>all of them are sub 700 WTR

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>receive chat ban
>because someone got mad at me comparing them to autistic retarded native Ethiopians
>mfw

>>165864326
>oh he has a pretty funny name and a clantag maybe he's good
>he's not

>>165864423
>do something you know could get you chat banned after having continued to do that stuff you know could get you chat banned in the past
>surprised when you get chat banned

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>>165864423
>Acts like an ass
>Surprised that he's being treated like an ass

To this day I still don't understand why people feel they are entitled to be rude in chat. It's even worse when they do it while trying to make a player for help with a play; people are less likely to listen and cooperate if you call them idiots beforehand.

If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

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>unload entire salvo on a nearly full montana
>6 citpens, 90k damage
> montana: " what the fuck"

>>165865586
Personally I don't even see the point in sperging out in chat. By all means be angry or whatever, but spending ages shitting up the chat with it isn't going to change the outcome of the match or make anyone play better, it's only likely to lose you the mach, or get yourself chatbanned.

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>gee, Nickolas, you have so many games in co-op why don't you play more pvp
I don't know, anon, maybe cause I'm sick of having the highest XP in battle on a defeat. Or maybe it's cause I did what I'm supposed to do as a top tier BB and pushed so I didn't have time to go back to kill one lone DD that capped right next to our AFK Kirov. Probably a little A and a little B.

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>>165865954
>>165865586
I'll admit I still get super salty when I get friendly torped. And not the ones that I turned into, I mean the ones that some cunt launches and you have zero chance to dodge, or forces you to go broadside to battleships to avoid.

>>165847876
i want to sniff those pits after a hard workout

>>165866017
Post stats.

>>165866698
you literally have my name on screen, just fucking look for it yourself, I'm EU.

>>165866163
Yes, so do I.
I get angry when some moron sails past me and dumps their entire torpedo salvo into me because "sry i was zoomed in", or when some friendly cruiser (because it's always retarded cruisers) tries to torpedo things through my smoke cloud that I'm sitting in, or when some BB pushes me out of my own smoke cloud and into my death, or any number of things like that. I just don't sperg out in the chat about it though because I know there's literally no point, and it's probably why I've never been chatbanned, or gotten so much as a warning or anything, in any game I've played.
At most I come here and complain, because this basically a free place so people can agree with me or call me a shitter or whatever, and I think that's better.

>>165866698
https://eu.warships.today/player/539951425/Nikolas_Kuno_Von_Knatter

>>165866017
>1376
>Not 1776

dayum shame

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>>165866859
Bruh

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>>165866910
I usually can avoid sperging out, and I still don't know why, but friendly torping just makes me go from chill to autistic sperg in .00001 seconds.

Its probably because I know that fucker had to select his torps, look at my position, look at the enemy, fire, then just stick the blame on me for not doing something about his shitty decision.

>>165867245
>phoneposting
Bruh...

Is there a point in picking Supercontainers?
All I get is shit from it. Even if I hit one, it's just 250 shitty flags I'll never use.

>>165867245
yeah, Konigsberg fucked me over hard, out of those 5 battles 3 CTD'd and I haven't touched it since.
Emerald was a mistake, too

>>165867780
I've given up on them, I've been picking signals for ages and happy with it. I get loads of captain/XP flags and more importantly, speed flags, and occasionally stuff like commander reserve slots.
I've even got a supercontainer from them, which I got an Anshan in.

So uh
Graf Spee comes with Type 10 Camo, which gives -3% to detectability, +4% of dispersion of shots fired at you, and +50% XP in battle.
Then we have what the convoy is about, Type 12, which gives exactly the same thing.

So, why am I doing this?

>>165868362
Bragging rights?

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>chat banned
>can't tell boters good job and gg

>>165868362
For your Tirpitz camo.
You do have a Tirpitz by this point don't you?

>>165868417
Probably shouldn't have spent all of your time in the past being an ass in the chat. I guess you won't do that again will you?

>>165868541
>hurr my feelings got hurt

get a backbone

>>165867780
Supercontainers contain very valuable rewards such as premium ships, doubloons, premium account time or large amounts of consumables, signals or camouflage. You should definitely pick them over regular containers whenever you are afforded the opportunity.

>>165868648
>wah I broke the rules and got the punishment I knew would happen as a result why did this happen

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>>165868648
Say it to my face on in-game chat :^)

>>165868362
free t6 botes with +50xp camo

>>165862220
>RAF.
more like no fuel, and the RAF operated from RN carriers

>first game in my budyonny
>fight a graf spee at medium distance, melting him with HE
>stay angled the entire time
>take 4 shells during the entire fight
>3 of them are citadels
>dead
>someone "secures the kill" while he has 400hp and two fires on him

this is some next level bullshit

>>165869521
And what did you expected?
That cannons are of a battleships anon.

>>165869521

Those 11-inch guns are more powerful than you give them credit for, anon. They can hurt like a motherfucker.

>>165867780
>tfw get 250 service cost signals from a super crate
Practically free money.

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>>165868714

>watching greg get fucked by flamu on stream
kek

>>165869806
>>165869972
that's not my point. I was actively dodging and I would have lived easily if he didn't get lolrandom citadels thanks to epic dispersion on every salvo. it was always exactly one shell that was as if guided by the hand of fucking hitler's ghost himself homing in on my citadel just to fuck me over while the rest of the shells didn't even land close to my ship.

>>165870657
>complaining that german shitty dispersion is actually good

>the BB sperg who thinks scuttling ships is BB on BB action
fucking lel

>>165870562
what ship did flamu play

Almost to the Izumo, do I have to research FCS and Engine or can I ignore those? The latter especially seems to make almost no difference and I'd rather put the XP into Yamato.

>>165866017
Have you tried not being a bitch?

>>165871316
I did and I didn't like it.

>All these Graf Spees sailing broadside on

>>165871551
But is pocket battleship, Volksgenosse! Has good armour, ja?

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So this is the power of a social unicum clan...

>Log in
>receive 10 regulate supply crates
>three of which were failed try your lucks

ok? why? I open boxes when I get them, there was no way i had a stockpile of 10 of them.

>>165871232
tirpitz

>>165871242
Definitely research the hulls first (use free XP to skip the B hull if you can, you'll save quite a lot of money). The range is acceptable without the upgraded module, but there is a little bit of utility in the upgraded module. You can skip the propulsion module.

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>>165871694

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So this is the power of SEA and rerolls..

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>>165871694
>>165871892
stop

>>165871892
>2 T8 BBs 7km behind him and running away
Poor guy.

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So this is the power of BOTES "bantz"

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>>165871694
>>165871892

Top kek

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>its been 4 weeks since I have seen a supercontainer
>have opened all my " try your luck" containers
>gone through about 118 of them
>no supercontainers

>>165871892
>I'm forever immortalized in a /wowsg/ webm now
Neat

>>165872198
Anon you would have known you got a super container from try your luck when you received it, not when you open it.

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>>165871829
Aight, thanks anon.

>>165872198
It was something like 3 months between my supercontainers.

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So this is the power of BOTES's strategical map positioning...

>>165872150
why did you compress this so much its just the fucking divchat. Youre not watching the stream like this, are you?

>>165872315
I have not seen a super container in a month

how bad could my luck be

>>165872439
I saw one last week after not seeing one for two months.

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BOTES with the bantz!

#memes
#justkiddingbro
#spergs

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>>165872521
>supercontainers are that rare

>>165872584
But that's just greg though

I swear on my badge, I will hunt down anyone who made these webms and watched Flamu's stream.

Over and out.

>>165872150
>a literal who
lel

anyone else enjoying the "IM NOT SPENDING A DIME MORE ON THIS GAME UNTIL RDF IS REMOVED" threads? Literally a 5 star movie. The tears are delicious.

>>165873625
RDF is literally fucking hitler though. Who thought this was a good idea?

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OY VEY!