/twg/ - Total War General

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>no historic total war game for years
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH ROME

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1st for hussars

>>165825907
History is fucking boring.

whats a good mod that tones down the wood elves?

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Rock the boat!

>>165825941
Pop another ritalin and go back to throwing lightning at bulbasaurs in warhammer

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>>165825820
>tfw still no chaos dwarfs
>still don't have the most powerful and smart race

Attila has a lot of cool minor factions for the grand campaign, why is the same not true for Rome 2?
Many of them suffer from very limited and generally shitty unit rosters (Black Sea colonies, Nomads, fucking Pontus) or have boring starting positions (Celtic minors, exception being Galatia).

>>165826141
that pic doesn't really work since you can just pause webms

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>>165826163
>tfw you genuinely enjoy pontus

>>165826271
I guess Pontus is not outright bad, their unique stuff is just underwhelming. Also I thought that the old colour scheme before Emperor edition came out looked a lot better.

>>165826141

>most powerful
>get wiped by their own slave creations
>smartest
>turn themselves into stone

>>165826346
Yeah, I lied when I said I genuinely enjoy pontus. I just love the shape of their helmets.

It seems like only the cultures are unique and the factions within only differ by a unit or two and what settlements they start with.

Decent Warhammer youtubers?

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>>165826141

>most powerful and smart race got soloed by Grimgor

>>165826484
None

>>165826141
>malkavians of the warhammer

>>165826163
Because most factions are either purely Hellenistic or Hellenistic with Celtic/Eastern/Nomadic units peppered in. Yeah, I'm salty about Black Sea Colonies. Their locations are so interesting but their rosters suck.

>>165826484

Heir of Carthage is a bit clueless but at least he's likable and not a total fucking sperg.

>>165826068
If you want to look at some humans just go outside.

Hardest campaign factions to play as in Warhammer?

>Easy Mode: All DLC
>Hard Mode: Base factions

>>165826652
I guess Getae stand out a little bit, but they are basically just reskinned Celts with extra thracian units.

>>165826782

>>Easy Mode: All DLC
>>Hard Mode: Base factions

That's wrong though.

Chaos and Beastmen are substantially harder than any of the base factions

Beastmen get homed in on like fucking mad by the Wood Elf AI who can apparently sense you through the fog of war.

Chaos can't reliably fight using multiple stacks, something which basically every other faction relies on.

The base factions also get RoR cheat units.

>>165826782
Skarsnik or Clan Angrund probably. None of the main factions are hard.

>>165826997
Wut? Chaos is easy as fuck, I finished the entire campaign having only a single army for the entire game. Played it on VH/VH. You just have to get Lightning Strike and there is not a single army that can beat you 1v1 once you get all decked out in Chosen and Dragon Ogres.
Chaos sucks not because it's hard, but because it's bland as hell. It doesn't help that Bretonnia and Empire basically get wiped out by other factions for you. The hardest part of the campaign is probably defeating Sathorael.

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>has missile weapon

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Anyone check out the new top mod on Attila workshop? Called Imperium, I think. Looks like radious-tier snowflake shit, but I cba to check myself

>>165827179
>Spartans in 395AD
Yeah, it's fucking garbage.

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>tfw today is the day

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>>165827404
what day

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>>165827442
the day

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>>165827623
you mean this day?

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>>165827712
the finest day?

>>165826782
Orion is the hardest faction bar none.

After that maybe Skarsnik.

Both of which are DLC. All the base factions are pretty easy even on legendary desu. Because they all start with excellent capitals and are spoodfed 1 good region.

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>>165827748
THE finest day

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>>165827835
the only day that matters?

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>>165827797
>Orion elves
>hard
what?

>>165827895
I ran out of rome 2 launch memes

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>>165828000
You are like a little baby.

>>165827797
>Orion is the hardest faction bar none.
>After that maybe Skarsnik.
How fucking bad are you?
Wood Elves are op as fuck and Skarsnik is based, fun and very good if you know how to use
>GOBBOS

>>165826782
I'd say Clan Angrund in the first 10 turns or so and Greenskins with Azhag.
Maybe Vampire Counts with Kemmler until you get Mannfred.

>>165826964
The Getae and the Thracians are actually the best factions IMO, especially with DEI. But I'm a sucker for can openers.

>>165828143
No bully pls

>>165828189
I didn't really play DeI a lot, every minor battle lasting 20+ minutes put me off too much. Maybe I'll check it out again.

>>165827179
>trip
Looks like suicide

>>165827179
>alternate timeline shit

The only pro I can think of is letting you play as various smaller Roman factions. But I expect the balance to be shit and I can't stomach the unique snowflake units.

>>165827947
>>165828146

Not that guy, but I do find Orion elves hard in at least one respect, namely how fucking shit they are at sieges.

Trying to deal with Carcasonne early is a nightmare unless you just clam up, stay in your forest and hit "End Turn" 40 times.

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ATTENTION, YOU SLOVENLY SAMURAI.

>>165828146
>Wood Elves
>Op

nah kid

>>165827947
Needs two turns from their territory to attack bret, which just turtles inside their keep with a beefy garrison. Their troops are heavily reliant on commander buffs, which you don't have in the beginning. They have shit economy until they get the oak at 3 and can confederate.

Orion is the hardest start.

>>165828274
There's s couple of official sub mods to reduce battle length but with falxmen it's not necessary since they eat units alive.

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>>165828539
>confederating
>not just conquering those cunts

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>>165827895

the day IS OOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUURRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSS

>>165828539
>Orion has the hardest start.
>Not Belegar with a 50% increased upkeep.
Okay. Have you tried taking Estalia's minor settlements and using the amber to increase port income to get rich?

>>165826484
Turin

Just plays online matches, has no meme personality and is actually really good at total war.

>>165829149
I saw the AI wood elves TRY to take over Estalia.

Estalia is now Strength Rank 2.

>>165827797
Elves are the easiest faction in the game, you don't even need to take any land to win.

You can just get the diplomatic researchs and spam military alliance till you have enough Amber to win.

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>>165828428

>>165829307
Wild riders will murder anything Estalia can put out in the first 30 turns except for spearmen, which can be murdered by either archers or WE infantry. Just don't take on Magritta until getting Tree-kin.

>>165829321
sure.

If you play on easy.

>>165828146
Beastmen when you start in Badlands was a shitty campaign.

>>165829582
Beat it on VH, all i did was take the other Elves in first 10 turns then roll in cash.

Killed some of the Bretonnian dukes, left the Empire, Norsa, Dawi, VC and GS and just made alliances by sending them mad cash every turn.

Turns out its much quicker than actually taking land with unit that cant siege. I went from having 2 amber to over 30 in a few turns.

I forgot that you REALLY cannot afford to autoresolve naval battles in FotS.

Rest in peace, ironclads. You were pretty ok. Sorry you got blown up by a couple of gunboats.

>>165829458

>Treekin
>As Orion

Nigger I ain't made of Amber

>>165830024
>Seed broken nose, take Estalia's minor settlements, and Carcassone's minor settlement.
5 amber right there. 2 of it goes into port income, 1 or 2 of it into treekin, and you still have a net gain. You can then use the treekin to take out major settlements, such as Magritta, or Castle Carcassone.

>>165829886
You can autoresolve, but then you should be spamming gunboats because they're so easy to replace.

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>>165825907
>b-but CA isn't abandoning the histfag crowd!

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>>165830331
>warhammer
>good

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>>165830410
>widely accepted as the undisputed best in the series

Is Grombrindal fun?

I have not tired Dwarf since the release, and hated them found them so fucking boring.

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>>165830410
>>165830331
>>165830460
>anime faces
>not superior 15th century art

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>>165830460
>widely accepted
>implying

>opinion of plebs
>ever mattering

>>165830482
>is regular ass manlet campaign fun?
no

>>165830482
Belegar is fun

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>>165830542
>everyone but me is a pleb!

Aren't you a special snowflake? Go back to /vr/. You're not getting new games anytime soon.

>>165830482
Grombrindal is like Grimgor, but better. Also this>>165830680

>>165830410
>>165830542
If you can't tolerate all TW games, this thread isn't for you.

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>>165830702
>everyone
>implying everyone agrees with your retarded opinion

>>165830331
>>165830410
>>165830460
>>165830542
>>165830702
Samefag

>>165830838
Your shitposting belongs on /v/.

>>165826141
man, rowan atkinson is a great actor.

>>165830760
Histfag games are simply an unfortunate byproduct to fund the perfect TW game. Now that the game is actually out there isn't a valid reason to touch the trash ever again.

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>>165830331
>>165830410
>>165830460
>>165830542
>>165830702
>>165830838
Go piss on each other somewhere else, nobody cares who has a bigger anime reaction folder.

>>165829436
>tfw I tried watching that movie
>but couldn't sit through it since I'm not Chinese enough

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>>165830839
>He's never had an autistic anime reaction image fight with someone before

>>165830902
Shogun 2 and Attila are better than Warhammer as it is right now imo. I enjoy being able to have a lot of variety between the games though.

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>>165830906
I have the undisputed biggest meme folder. Nobody can beat me.

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>>165831003
>not creating your own memes

weak

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>>165830906
>implying its just anime reaction pics

>>165825910
Hussars are over-rated.

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>>165830967
>humans with pointy sticks fighting other humans with sticks

wow.. interes-zZzZZZZzzzzzzz

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>sassanids think they can take their armies to sea and bully my weak ally
>sink 8 full transport fleets in 2 turns with my top tier ships

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>>165831106
>dudes with weapons hitting shorter or green dudes with weapons

wow.. interes-zZzZZZZzzzzzzz

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>>165831073
Here, have a fresh meme. I call it bird question mark. Feel free to reuse it, haha!

>>165831087
I will murder you you fucking dragoon.

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>tfw to intelligent to govern world's largest empire

>>165831161
You forgot pointy eared dudes, short green dudes, mutated dudes, goat dudes, sketetons, zombies, count countula, ghost dudes, big guys, and more. :)

I still love history, the empire building of historical TW games beats Warhammer by far.

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>>165831390
r8 my hussar

name: feraud

likes: sabres, duelling, madame with the big titty, napoleon, promotions, satan, beer, weed

hates: russians, his mom, traitors like taht fUCKign d'Hubert i swear to satan will skin your balls if yuo badmouth the emperor again, sleeping at night

Any mods that make battles in TW:W last longer?

>>165831668
angry/10 good work

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fvcking brvtal mviii

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>>165831728

>modding perfection

Just stick to the classics.

Play TWH.

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>>165831668
>>165831390
>being this much of an edgy homosexual
Hussars were a mistake.

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>>165832120
Cuirassiers? More like queerassiers lmao.

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>>165832079

Theres something off with this post

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>all these shitposting

americunts are awake huh?

>>165832312
I think we all know who the real queers are...

...THE UHLANS!

>>165832407
I bet you don't even play Shogun 1, you shitter

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>tfw too intelligent to play total war

>>165826484
surreal

>>165832716

>too

brainlets please leave

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>>165832716

>tfw two inteligent to meme post

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>>165832716
>tfw too intelligent to post about being too intelligent

1-2 Empire with Darthmod
3-4 Attila with FotE
5-6 Rome 2 with DeI
7-8 Warhams
9-0 Shogun 2

I hate anime and warhammer tbqh

>>165833005

Let's see you say that again after I've kissed you on the lips faggot

>>165832991
What good overhauls or compilations are there for empire besides Darth mod?

>>165832942
anon it seems you have some difficulty with a primary school grammar distinction, a characteristic commonly associated with the autistic.

>almost every barbar unit in dei has javelins
>new battle ai means that they end up throwing all of those javelins
>my main line is made up of pikeman

fug

also who the fuck is making all of these javelins?

>>165833116

>tfw to intelligent to respond to this bait

>>165833063
Lets see you say that again after I make passionate love to you, gaybo

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>>165833169
good thing javelins don't do anything in DeI.

>>165833090
There is a great american civil war mod. I for got the name though.

>>165833179
this meme really fucked up my ability too distinguish between the to now

>>165833278
I would play the shit out of DeI if there was a version without the whole combat rebalance.

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Bene!

>>165833278
That's one of those Demigod mod units that has a single dude with about 8000 HP.

Sorry, but what exactly are you trying to prove, you piece of shit whore of a faggot?

>>165833576

What a silly language.

>>165833576
>Early Legionaries
>Radious

Fuck off

>>165833613
Fuck off anglo.

>>165833576

What are these moon runes?

>>165833653
what language are you speaking now?
checkmate

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Shit

Did I use too many archers?

>>165833442
Ah yeah I seen that, I was thinking still the vanilla scope of empire, but just something to add to factions, tweak them up and change the AI a little, maybe some new units
Like darths but hopefully something better, maybe more historically accurate too
Imperial splendour any good?

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>>165833278
(You)

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>>165833169
almost every barbar unit in vanilla has javelins either

>promise to finally finish a damn attila campaign
>get bored and pissed with hunnic doomstacks
fuck this
which great migrator is best for camping spanish gold mines?

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

>>165834085
Roman Britain is the best campaign on attila

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>>165831668
>hates: russians
>likes: napoleon
cool story, pal

>>165834085

I did it with the Franks but you can do it with the Saxons too with a little luck

>>165834150
What, just pick WRE and raze everything that isn't Britain and Rome?

>>165834236
That or Roman Britain mod, either works and both are top tier fun riding out the fertility, diplomatic relations with your neighbours, and people that live across the entire map from you, and the constant party boats that arrive in your shores

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OOGA BOOGA

GIMME DAT AMBERZ, CRACKA

>>165834236
Rome too. Raze everything, retreat all forces to Britain, conquer that shit and rebuild from there. You'll basically be playing a post apocalyptic simulator once you decide to return and its awesome.

Funny thing is, without the fertile grounds, most barbars and horsefuckers tend to either die off fighting one another or taking their shit and camping ERE and the Sassanids.

Also, if you're feeling balsy, don't raze the Iberian Peninsula and divide your forces to defend it and Britain. The gold mines make for an easier reconstruction.

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>>165833576

>no archers

Real man's army here

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>>165831668
Fresh OC coming through
Episode II
Let's not fuck up this time

>>165834041
yea but in vanilla they don't end up using them all, they usually charge in and only throw one volley. Also in dei most barbar units have 300 men and thus have a whole lot of javs

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>>165834543
I like it.

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>still no news

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>>165834458
>>165834351
>>165834236
Most fun campaign i've had on Attila

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>>165831668
>>165834543
>the duellist memes

I love this

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REmove BARBAR Remove BarbAr

>>165833090
imperial splendour if you can stand the incredibly shit lighting, minor factions revenge if you want a smaller and less buggy version of darthmod with shitty music

>>165834738
Hopefully we hear something with grom being released.

I hope the next game comes out this year, imagine if it doesn't come out till next year and this is the last update.

Ded game.

>>165835097
The lighting all thats shitty about splendour?
Seen minor faction revenge, looked okay
It's looking like I might go darths again tbqh, god damn empire deserved better

>>165833963
notice how enemy archers and slingers barely have any kills, the big problem is that the AI is simply not designed to deal with DeI balance changes which makes the mod really easy, whenever considering a fight with the AI you can completely ignore its ranged units, unless its the gastraphets, because they are going to waste all their missiles on frontal attack on your infantry, and for some reason DeI has made frontal missile attacks completely worthless

>>165835254
>god damn empire deserved better
It did but CA just fucked up too much.

>>165835258
Because shields are in front???? DUH??

Just did the math and the barbar garrison army I am currently fighting has 6200 javelins distributed amongst their men

Precursor weapons are a scam put forth by Big Jav in order to make money off of warfare

salve

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>>165835254
>The lighting all thats shitty about splendour?
its a bit unfinished, but otherwise yeah, the lighting is the main complaint

>>165835304
It could have been the best, so much cool shit and ideas it had, truly the best for trading and naval based wide spanning exploitative empires
If only CA decided to make it after S2 and Napoopon than before

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>>165835304
reminder that CA allowed this

>>165835452
Don't forget one province Spain.

>>165835258
>considering a fight with the AI you can completely ignore its ranged units

confirmed for never fighting arabs or nomads

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don't spread christ-insanity around here, kiddo

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>>165835452

>>165835519
This, everyone cries about france but spain is just as fucked up
No one gives a flying fuck about frogs or spics though because bongs best faction

>>165835309
they are made just too effective, and again, the AI can't deal with it at all, DeI ends up being significantly easier than vanilla due to very slow battles and enemy skirmish units causing 0 kills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbX2p-94muQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbX2p-94muQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbX2p-94muQ

STUFF

>>165835583
desu if I wanted to play a fucking twitch RTS I'd play Starcraft 2 or some cheap bullshit. Slower battles are great, I hate how fast things are now to hide shit AI and help people with low attention spans. Your other complaint is valid though.

>>165835658
>STUFF

It's nothing new my friend

>>165835554
>tfw all the barbarians that fight me turn latin christian like me
>tfw I burn their hovels down and, sack their city and slaughter their people all the same
I told myself that I was just getting back at the filthy barbarians, they screamed just liked my people screamed when my city was burned
What am I even doing...

>>165835658

>Uploaded in October of last year
>"Stuff"

Stop being retarded

>>165835658
>Grombrindal "The White Dwarf" is a brand new Legendary Lord for the Dwarfs
>brand new

>>165835658
What's he so angry about?

>>165835739
>>165835685
Just parroting CA friendo.

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>>165835658
>October

>>165834543
10/10

QUESTION

Night gobbo bosses give poison attacks for the entire army.

Does that have a cumulative effect with the inherent poison of normal night gobbos?

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>>165835778

There's something in this tweet that should maybe have tipped you off that this wasn't new content

I'll let you figure it out.

>>165835832
no

and it replaces some of the effects that the gobbo RoR have, like armor sundering

>>165835795
Today was not the day

>>165835846
What are you even moaning about? I didn't claim it was new, just stuff.

>>165835832

>Does that have a cumulative effect with the inherent poison of normal night gobbos?

No

It replaces it.

>>165835865
what the fuck is the point then

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>>165835679
Slow battles is basically a cheat because you can take your time and spam charges til the enemy breaks. It makes strategies other than hammer and anvil much less effective.

>>165835968
Yeah pound that ass

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>>165835581
>bongs best faction
More like the only faction to receive proper faction design.

>"Okay now that we have the Hessians, Ferguson Riflemen, Green Jackets, Chasseurs Britanniques, Coldstream Guards, Roger's Ranger and Black Watch are we missing anything else?"
>"Well I could think of some more unique units for Britains."
>"Hey, what about the rest of Europe?"
>"What about them? Just give them all s generic Scot or Irish line-infantry unit."
>"And what about Poland or Russia?"
>"What about them? Just slap the winged hussar unto some late game tech so Poles are happy and give Russia the streltsy, but take away their guns."
>"Brillant! Truly we are the best."

>>165835968
If you're actually going to try and prove DeI is shit maybe you shouldn't use these bullshit webms?

>>165835968
Why use these outdated webms all the time?

>>165836025
Exactly, hence why they're the best faction
Well they probably would be either way to to their historical start, but actually being cared about as a faction did wonders for making them semi playable

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>armenia offers 300 bucks to take educated woman
o i am laffin

>>165835950

To give poison attacks to units that don't already have it?

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>>165835695


STOP

>>165836127
>offer WRE 20k for some 20 year old bitch for my heir
>lol no
>WRE is weaker than me and relies on my protection
You know what, maybe I'll let a few more hordes through and see how you feel then

>>165835968
How do you not lose a shit ton of cavalry every time you do it?

When I try to execute Hammer and Anvil in Rome II or Attila, every time I charge the back of a unit, even if I immediately retreat my cavalry, I tend to end up losing 5-10% of the unit's men.

>>165836191
By the time I got to the fourth christian city to sack in my defence, I just alt f4'd when the screaming started and the land was destroyed
Became everything I hated, killing people no different from my own because I thought it gave me slight tactical advantage and a buffer
I need to complete the line of no mans land, but I can't bring myself to butcher thousands upon thousands more people again

>>165836186
But I might as well just go for normal gobboz and give them poison from general, instead of going for night gobboz

>>165836025
This was so fucking retarded to put winged hussars as a late game unit given the timeframe

>>165835968
>It makes strategies other than hammer and anvil much less effective.

confirmed for never playing as Getae or other Barbars in DEI

>>165836025
It's sad that Total War historical games never go for "alternate history" route. I think a few factions that have fallen from glory before the campaign starts should have the chance to reclaim their legacy.


I mean, shit like Sparta rising or Portugal re-emerging as an Empire are already historically inaccurate as shit, why not throw some late game research that makes the difficult journey to get to that point feel satisfying? Make the units campaign-only if multiplayer is a concern.

It's stupid I can have a Spartan Empire stretching from Greece to Spain yet I'm still stuck with spamming spearmen all the way.

>>165836290
You can't die to anything but another cavalry charge in DeI.

>>165836541
I use vassal states to levy troops and roster expansions as I get into a later empire
For example most of my troops in Britain on my epirote empire game are celts, my thracian armies fight in eastern europe, and I use an assload of Illyrians throughout my main armies

>>165836025
stop, it hurts ;_;

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Why does no one use Dwarf Rangers with GW?

The range damage from axes is amazing, can beat much more expensive infantry if you get 2 throws of before engaging. And If used in flanks they ruin units.

>>165836541
YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR FANTASY GAME LEAVE MY HISTORY GAMES ALONE RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE

>>165836541
Well they went quite alternate history in Empire with Poland gloriously riding out with their mid 1600s winged hussars in the fucking 1780s.

>>165835968
>light cavalry against extremely heavy infantry.
who would have thought.

>>165836448
Don't forget the deadly Ottoman sipahi tied to an even later-tech and barracks upgrade.

Best TW: Attila youtuber(s)?

>>165836541
>>165836541
This so much fampai. I want to see what would happen if Macedonia got their shit together and established at least a unified Greece, and developed alongside "MUH ROMA INVICTA"

AE is a really unexplored venue. Maybe not figt for a whole game (some settings more deserving than others ofc), but some DLC that lets us see a Roman Britain that wasn't retarded, or Scythians who figured out how to not use horses, or even maybe India/China invading from the east after the fall of the WRE would be extremely interesting

>>165836745
I don't think he's asking for starting alt history total war games, I think he wants his empire to grow more varied as it conquers foreign lands rather than remaining the same as it was at the start of the game
Like how rome's tech tree changes and it's use of auxiliaries

At least I think, straight up alt history total war would be pretty shit

>>165836684
>Why does no one use Dwarf Rangers with GW?
because no one uses Dwarfs in general
shit faction with shit memes
play GOBBOS instead

>>165836760
>0 kills and losses to infantry
>already made enough charges with light cavalry to rout the most elite infantry

What is the point you're trying to make?

>>165836684
their design is retarded, 'lets leave the shafts of top heavy battles axes as bare metal'. Also dwarfs wouldn't be able to throw axes very efficiently, their arms are too short to generate enough speed.

>>165836756
I get the complaint, but I meant alternate history that made sense.

Play as Sparta, conquer 30 territories including *insert important historical cities here*, and get the option to start some cultural reforms to improve your roster variety. If this conflicts with multiplayer just bring back the Medieval II system of Early-Mid-Late Era units and add a new "Alternate" Era just so people don't get their jimmies rustled by having to face Spartan Legions or some shit like that.

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>>165833713
fdp do caralho

>>165836975
>i have autism

>>165836975
THORGRIM

GET

THE

BOOK

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>>165836906
Unique roman successors was the only DLC I ever wanted for Attila

Idea;

Instead of giving start-of-game units give gold similar to multiplayer. Stronger LLs are more expensive.

So if you pick Kremmler you can buy better units early on than you would be able to with Mannfred.

It actually fucking boggles me that Azhag has been left untouched tbqh. It would be so fucking easy just to give him an Arachnarok or some trolls instead of those gobbo archerz.

>>165836923
Yeah that's it.
I'm not interested in Praetorian Winged Hussars or some shit like that, I just want my huge multicultural post-barbarian empire not to be stuck with recruiting Celtic Warriors to fight Camel Riders in the goddamned desert.

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>>165836923
Post bad alt history maps

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>>165834543
>madame with the big titty

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>>165836923
This is a much better way of putting it than alt history, yeah. I want to see Persian influences in my Iceni army if I take over the entire middle east, y'know? Or at least for my dumbfuck barbar germans to wear some fucking armor after I take the Italian peninsula, for which I am eternally gratefull to DEI for even entertaining the notion of

>>165836975
THAT'S A GRUDGIN

>>165836425

Yes?

That's the benefit of a Night Goblin general.

He's way worse in a fight than an Orc warboss but you get to give poison to troops that wouldn't normally have it.

>>165837131
Auxillary RoRs. Problem solved. No fantasy spartan legion bullshit.

>>165836975
Could you critique every way in which the magic and demons are impossible to have in real life next, please?

>>165837020
PORTUGAL VAI DOMINAR OUTRA VEZ

INDIANOS DO CARALHO PREPAREM-SE PARA A RECONQUISTA

>>165837148
>Holland
>Finland
>Sweden
>Norway

grouped with

>Iowa
>Nebraska
>Togo

fucking lel

>>165837265
Well the meteor spell would've destroyed the entire battlefield, if not the whole world for starters

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>>165837131
>>165837224
Yep, it's why my autism dictated me to use shitty local units from clinets instead of spamming my best epirote troops
There's no reason for me to be stuck in the same style as 50 years ago when my empire looks like this It's out of date Icini is my pet and I own some of south England

>>165837240
I think the poison you get is the weaker kind of poison. The same as Ghorst gives. Or else it would be OP as fuck I guess.

>>165837378
Go on

>>165837259
Oh yeah just copy paste shit from one faction to another, cool mate.

Give everyone access to auxiliaries, that's cool. Somehow that's less autistic and retarded than an empire adopting the best parts of the people they conquered.

And what the fuck do Regiments of Renown have to do with historical titles?

>>165837406
>There's no reason for me to be stuck in the same style as 50 years ago when my empire looks like this
I don't know man.
The Greeks didn't really change their style over the few centuries they ruled over Syria, Egypt or Persia.

>>165837406
There's a mod that lets you recruit elite units from your clients if you have a good relationship from them and if they have the buildings.

So spam them with gold gifts and the warmongering AI will eventually build the barracks where they hide their Oathsworn or Hashashins.

Does anyone have the Warhammer Lord tier list image? I don't care about playing the most powerful lords, I just have an autistic appreciation of tier lists.

>>165837452
I meant AoRs. That's what EB did and everyone loved it.

>>165837259
There is a system like that in place in DEI, Area of Recruitment units - In my Parthia campaign every single one of my armies had a main line composed of Akkadian heavy infantry to act as an anvil

>>165837036
>I'm so retarded I'm incapable of critical thought

>>165837536
No but Epirotes never really cared about being amd remaining the most 'hellenic' greeks, i'm not saying they should all change their styles and cultures to blend, just that their should be more options to make use of the ones they conquered, much like in reality
And I do have many cities that remain majority foreign populace and culture, should be quite hard for me to get my best hellenic units that far away from my heartlands

>>165837691
>demanding realism from a fantasy game

Trying out Age of Charlemagne right now, wanted to liberate Europe of Christians and Muslims as the Westphalians

So... is the research tree supposed to be devoid of any bonuses for most techs?

What the fuck happened to trade, cloth is only worth 1 gold per unit, I'm guessing some typo

Why is childbirth so rare? Widukind never had any kids and one adopted son had one illegitimate child

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>>165837406
>>165837452
I'm actually really glad to see I'm at least not the only one feeling this brand of autism. If nothing else, its nice to commiserate about never getting barbars that wear clothes or camelfuckers that remember how to infantry

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT JUST WEAR FUCKING ARMOR YOU STUPID SUEBI KEKS IT FUCKING WORKS WHY ARE YOU RETARDED YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT YOU JUST CAPTURED FUCKING ROME

>>165837615
AoR is always nice to have as an option, but the older, stagnant, crumbling factions that rise above their historical fate should have more options than just being military parasites.

>>165836943
that light cavalry unless they have lances have low charge bonuses and pulling them out continuously and charging them in is not much better than letting them be engaged in melee since they are just there for harassing and chasing skirmishers.

>>165837781
Historically the barbars captured rome and then turned it into a hovel.

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Wurzagg is pretty decent at buffing.

>>165837856
You're missing the point. Melee does next to nothing. The only valid strategy in DeI is to spam hammer and anvil. Look at how two elite heavy infantry units scored zero kills against each other whilst light missile cavalry scored all the kills.

>>165837752
>implying fantasy can't subscribe to basic laws of motion

cos in LoTR there was no gravity/respiration or kinetics right? Fucking clown.

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>>165837990
Gravity in LoTR certainly doesn't work the way it does in our world.

>>165837885
Which is why most of them died unremembered yes

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>>165837885
yeah but the ostrogoths, as soon as they got done with their power wank, also started claiming as much Roman prestige and tech as they could salvage. Losing the more advanced shit like concrete I could get, maybe no more beautifully lifelike statues for a while, fine. Just a special kind of infuriating when you have to go up against whatever strain of Persians is in your game with eurocucks that have seen all kinds of armor, from cuirasses to muh segmentata, to regular lamellar armor and chainmail, but choose to keep their retarded cloth shit.

triggers my autism to no end and makes for stale gameplay after getting rid of the bigbois in whatever particular game you're in, because after they're gone, they apparently all have their smiths and scholars commit ritual suicide, even if the takeover by a foreign power was swift and relatively bloodless

tldr; REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>165837990
Apparently not since a dragon was able to fly and was killed by an arrow in the hobbit.

>>165837960
Does that mean Sparta is the best faction in DeI? They have some of the best spears and their Royal Cavalry is nothing to scoff at. They can hold a line pretty good which gives you time to hammer down the anvil

I don't play DeI just genuinely curious

>>165837541
Yeah I seen that, also use sedibees roster expansion because illyrian roster sucks
Also added epirote manipular style infantry, which I just headcannoned as being from my close proximity and relations to rome, and Pyrrhus's experience with them I guess
Doubt it's at all historical but it made sense in my game at least

>>165837885
Rome was turning into a hovel before it was captured by barbars, they were just the cherry on top a long list of issues effecting the entire empire

>>165837960
Actually, and you can see the last thread for this where I posted some pics, most battles are won by having one flank crumble and then enveloping the enemy. Most of my kills come from skirmishers too.

>>165838243
He's talking about Spearman. Axemen and Swordsmen cut down spearmen alot faster, it's all about attracting the enemy to a position and using specialized units to rout them, be them cavalry or swordsmen/axemen or even skirmishers. It's also about using the general well, that means using "Second Wind" when they are tired or Warcry to cause a mass rout.

>>165838243
They're fairly effective, but bland as fuck and usually get raped if by some miracle Rome ever gets to power. They're really really good at spears and literally nothing else. Any decent artillery will hurt them bad, but what kills them is when they find another anvil they can't outgrind so easily. They don't have all that much killing power, its more that they just don't fucking rout

>>165838162
100% this.
Can never bring myself to play a barbar faction in most historical games because I feel my mere existence stops human progress.

Only times I don't mind is when the people I'm subjecting to my horsefuckery are as degenerate if not more than me, like in Attila. Don't mind fucking over WRE and ERE if those retards are gonna throw away those techs anyways.

>>165838339
Doesn't DeI remove most of the special general abilities? I remember one of their outcries in the early versions was against, and I quote "game-y, nonsense magic skills", which is why Second Wind no longer removes fatigue.

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>>165838270
>GREEK MANIPULAR INFANTRY

>>165838584
Second wind seems to be the same. Most of them just have a set number of times you can use the abilites, they can't be used several times. I think they're really powerful and actually make the general very useful,they can turn the way a battle is going.

Most of my battles take between 10 to 15 minutes, and I'm talking about battles between 10 000 men, smaller skirmishers are standard Warhammer time (2 minutes).

>>165837960
>Look at how two elite heavy infantry units scored zero kills against each other

Pontic Light Spearmen are not elite heavy infantry, and the reason the roman unit breaks is because it is outnumbered, tired, and getting charged in the rear

I see all the memes about confederating the other Welf factions in the first 15 turns but I can't figure out how to do it. Do you just siege them or something? When I do that they attack me and the other guy burns the Oak.

>>165838782
You have to have good relationships with the other faction and also be more powerful than them. Attacking them will make them hate you, so they won't confed with you.

>>165838270
Radious mod should be right up your alley. Uninspired and repetitive as mods nowadays are, many a disillusioned fan don’t hesitate to call out the medium as fallen. Along comes Radious mod, the latest entry to modding self-critique and introspection.

On the surface Radious mod seems like your ordinary mod which is seemingly unremarkable but whose charm is so irresistible yet so subtle, that the people who've played it cannot but fall for it, much to the frustration of some self proclaimed "understanders of strategy" who cannot see any logic to these affections. Os et labra tibi lingit, Manneia, catellus: non miror, merdas si libet esse cani.

Radious Mod uses metaphors in an excruciatingly subtle way. Sharp-eyed spectators should be able to spot the humanistic properties Radious mod displays. Radious mod is a self-aware and self-referencing work. It points out the flaws and implausibilities which often plague its genre, yet offers no alternative. Though criticized for conforming to its genre without innovation, composing the rest of the mod with uninspiring features essential in achieving what Radious mod wishes to do. While it does highlight the unrealism which plagues the modding community, it also serves to illustrate the irrationality of passion and infatuation, which which is shown by the hatred often spewed at this masterpiece. Poor Radious is left with naught, but to hunger evermore.

The team is aware of the flaws and tropes in their work, but artistic integrity has to be weighed against the harsh market. Even so, no artist wishes to make hollow trash as much as “understanders of strategy” so often may think. Behind these stories are genuine emotions, far more so than half-assed criticisms by blind followers of objectivism.

I don’t think this mod justifies an arbitrary rating of stars; it’s much better than that. It deserves a place among the highest modern philosophical works of our world. "Nietzsche, thy name is Radious."

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fuck off and eat some sand we're full

>>165838907
I recognize the word merdas. It's shit. Or shits. Yeah, shits.

>>165838698
Yep, makes no sense, I don't know why they're named the way they are, but they're just hellenic sword and shield units

>>165838907
But I see /twg/ recommending Sebidees rosters all the time :^)

>>165838782
You won't be able to confed them anywhere near as fast as the AI, and you need to make them like you first.

>>165838936
Any other faction upgrades its garrison units as well as WRE and ERE?

>>165839014
Shits as in multiples pieces of shit, mind. Not a group of people who are, as a grupo, pieces of shit. Although it can mean multiple people who are shit and decided to group together.

>>165838770
What the fuck are you talking about? They're not light and they're certainly not spearmen. pontikoi thorakitai may not be the best sword unit for pontus but it's one of the best. The fact that an elite unit breaks from light missile cavalry before scoring ONE kill is a testament to how retarded slow battles are.

>>165839056
I think all of them do

>>165839018
>Yep, makes no sense, I don't know why they're named the way they are, but they're just hellenic sword and shield units

That is literally what thorax swordsmen are, you don't even need a mod for those

>But I see /twg/ recommending Sebidees rosters all the time :^)
Only for AoC

>>165839143
look at the beginning of the webm you fucking retard, the pontic swords are his general unit, the unit in melee is a unit of pontic light spears - you never see how many of them get killed before the praetorian breaks

>>165839143
Fatigue is also supremely important, though. As a unit gets tired, they star dying faster and faster. This isn't my experience though, I always lose a few men (and so does the AI) when the men join each other in battle.

>>165839261
>Epirus
>Thorax Swordsmen
Good one, Epirus gets illyrian shit light troops and Royal peltasts

>>165839261
And he is also right, you can even see the Spear icon over the unit, so I don't think it's the swords.

>>165839014
>Quod culus tibi purior salillo est, nec toto decies cacas in anno; atque id durius est faba et lapillis. Quod tu si manibus teras fricesque, non umquam digitum inquinare posses

"Because you have an anus more pure than a saltcellar, nor in the entire year do you defecate ten times, and even then it is more solid than a bean or pebble - if you rubbed it with your hands, you wouldn't even be able to make your hands dirty."

—Catullus 23

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>bringing boats to a bumper car fight

>>165839424
If you pause the webm at the 0:00 you can see the spearmen are Pontikoi Patondapoi (Pontic Light Spearmen).

>>165839437
Thanks buddy.

>>165839496
barbar boats are so bad it's not even funny

I routinely sink/rout entire fullstack transport fleets with two arty boats and a general as Macedon. I almost feel bad for cheesing

>>165839261
Doesn't that make his point even more then?

If an elite Praetorian infantry unit cannot score one kill against a bunch of light spearmen before being routed doesn't it worsens the case?

I sort of lost track who's defending what.

>>165839627
How do you stop the barbars from just boarding your artillery? The arty ships don't have the best range

>>165840131
You're all discussing about an outdated webm anyway, what's the fucking point?

>>165840131
We don't see how many spearmen die in the webm.

>>165840260
The discussion is about longer battles vs faster battles.

>love and hate relationship with Attila
>game haunts me and I always come back to start a campaign because I love the game
>abandon it after a few days I hate it at the same time
>I prefer medium sized nations waging war, attila is just 3 large empires and 1312321123 tribes turning europe into a huge clusterfuck
>everything else about the game is great though.
How do I make this game fun?

>>165840131
It's the age-old argument about DEI being garbage because battles become more about armor, combined arms, and morale than anything else, where the DEIfags will justify what I'm almost positive are historically-inaccurate battles where barely anyone dies compared to the amount that routs, and the anti-DEIfags jerk themselves off over how great it is to not like DEI, despite it being one of the best/only Rome 2 overhaul mods, while conveniently never touching the absurd amount of shit that it adds to the game beyond the combat changes
>>165840220
You open the battle by sinking as many transports as you can with your arty ships, and once the transport fleet closes to a certain distance, you set all ships to ramming, while still having the arty fire on anything it can. There's a sweetspot that you have to learn to gauge with the arty ships, where after a certain point, you need to have them just ram the fuck out of the barbar general's transport. Arty ships are generally pretty big, and all barbar ships are small, so this nearly always results in the general sinking like a sack full of hammers, and the already low-morale barbar land troops routing en-masse because they're not sailors anyway and water is sp00ky. If you're dealing with barbar sailors on the other hand, then you'll need a couple of supporting skirmisher ships, also used almost exclusively for ramming.

if you're lucky, you can just sink the barbar general transport with your arty's fire, and not the ship itself, which frees them up to rape whatever doesn't immediately rout.

>>165840394
Using outdated videos by someone that most probably didn't play the mod being discussed, ever.

Longer battles, like battles with larger unit sizes, are easier, what's there to discuss? It's all up to personal preference in the end.

>>165840575
By not being a shithead and enjoying the different condiments that separate the various games.

>>165840617
Slower battles completely removes any semblance of strategy and tension and turns it into a giant hammer and anvil fuck fest.

>>165840702
Tell that to someone who cares. I don't think repeating that will help your case, but go ahead.

>>165840607
I remember reading about how most battles in ancient and medieval times were mostly about being somewhat tied during the first clash, then one part routed and the real killing started. Losses for the winning side were estimated around 5% while the losing side suffered much more than that.

Of course results may vary a lot in each battle.

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>>165840575
Mods, senpai. FoTE is neat for balancing things DEI style, but will be half vaporware for the next two years until everyone gets bored of warhammer like it seems /twg/ is slowly doing.

I recommend improved fertility fix to make it a genuinely good mechanic, plumbata revised, sebidee's white hun roster expansion, sebidees improved army stances, influential high king mod, and meaningful promotion tree mod, along with graphics mods of your choosing to taste.

People will always argue anything besides vanilla/FoTE is ezmode, but desu just try and get mods that fix the base game, and shit to make the AI less retarded. Rebalanced religions and aggressive AI mods are also bretty gud for making it more than rome/purplerome/persia vs barbars.

>>165840702
>>165840617
Not really. Most battlesin DEI are between armies of 4000 men and the AI will try to flank you. Battlesin DeI are actually strategic (unlike Warhammer, for example) because they actually require you to move fast and intercept enemy flankers AND actually gain the upper hand in one of your own flanks to then be able to flank the enemy, instead of giant fuckfests where you tie up two to three units with a Giant or similar shit.

Even then Hammer and Anvil will not work 100 percent of the time, most battles are won by enveloping the opposing army. In one of my battles the enemy will try to reach better ground too, leading you to actually, you know, skirmish.

Faster battles are shit that also use hammer and anvil, by the way. In fact, Hammer and Anvil is so brilliant that it's also used in CURRENT YEAR.

>>165840607
What DeI does is add retarded bloat. Why the fuck do you need 6 billion different sword units? Just grab the one with the highest morale cause it's not like they're gonna die in melee. In warhammer and shogun 2 which have professional game design has fewer units units with actual niches that they fulfil. It's about quality, not quantity.

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>Its another "stunties refuse to make peace early game and proceed to skullfuck you because CA thought it was fair to not give the orcs good enough AP early game to use against the OP as fuck dorfs" episode

>>165840987
Not really, because you have to manage the economy, so your units can't all be the same. You also can't just have an entire army with the best units available because you will need skirmishers, you will need light cavalry in some cases, in other cases you'll need axemen instead of swordsmen, sometimes naked levy gauls can do the job and are cost effective, in other cases (against opponents who are often armored), you'll need armored spearmen, but also armored axemen, with light cavalry to not only fuck with the skirmishers but to also draw the enemy infantry to where you want them.

>>165840987
It's just flavour shit, who cares if it's in? Removing it adds nothing to the game, it's your choice to use them or not.

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>>165840971
>AI will try to flank you in DEI

If you purposely form your troops 10 ranks deep and face their backs towards the enemy, maybe.

>>165841149
Just use the far more OP second army spawn ability of the greenskins. And if you dare, the dreaded autoresolve ability.

>>165841186
They will. I'm not at home right now, but I have multiple instances where the AI is clearly trying to do what I do, that is force a flank to then get behind me. I usually use my cavalry to intercept flanking enemy cavalry, for example, and only then can I use them to attack something else. I also usually try to free up other units to carry on another flank.

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BRETONNIA CAMPAIGN WHEN?!

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>>165840987
You get like 2-3 sword units for each faction lad, most of which are linear upgrades, barring regional recruits which are either top or shit with no in-between. And you're still focusing on the combat rebalancing, and not all the logistical features, the reform system that at least makes it feel like the cultures change as they move across the map, the economic features of how the trade system gets overhauled, the sheer amount of new playable factions, and the unique units that change the entire game like muh gastraphetes and muh agrianian axemen

I don't play DEI anymore because I found an attila mod setup that my autism tolerates, but you can't just call DEI nothing but bloatware, even if you hate what it does to combat

>>165840971
In every total war game (especially DeI because of the larger unit sizes) I have played the AI tends to clump up in the middle needlessly exhausting units where they can't even get to the front to fight

>>165841319
Somebody post the webm from the pre-release battle with the jumping animation in response to this post please.

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>>165835554
Don't worry Varg, I did you proud!

>>165841291
>"Just exploit the game mechanics to stands a chance."
Or maybe CA could actually give savage orcs AP. It'd kill two birds with one stone.
>Makes savage orcs actually worth a shit
>Gives orcs more AP early game

>>165841385
If they clump in the middle, you'll usually have a problem, because your army is then split into two. Their behaviour is usually a result of the army composition, too.

You guys wanna see some more autism from HTW?

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>send my Glade Lord into the fray
>does nothing but shoot from several yards away
>didn't have to walk very far at all
>Very Tired
Is there a mod that fixes this bullshit? She literally walked everywhere and stood still the whole time.

>>165841553
?? If they clump in the middle then my sides are facing less resistance and are free to mop up and envelop the massive blob. Not to mention being great targets for manual artillery aiming.

>>165841662
In DeI artillery isn't readily available, at least as Barbars and when they break through the middle, usually after routing the guys there they are now behind you and can tie up other units. At least that's been my experience.

>>165841517
A race specific mechanic to abuse to match an incredibly strong early roster to abuse. They match out.

Making savage orcs better would be great.

Orcs lacking AP early game can be defining, as you use the waaagh mechanic to play up their numerical advantage.

And I'm not sure how you get them from the building chains as I've not played them SP since the DLC, but nasty skulkers are ridiculously good early game AP.
Kinda pay to win I guess though if you want to look at it that way.

>>165841625

Shooting is what causes the fatigue, not the moving.

>>165841149
GROODGES

>>165841625
Combat tires units significantly faster than movement. Twanging arrows at fags for the entire battle is going to tire you out.

>>165841625
She's a woman, there's nothing to fix.

>>165842059
aloha reddit

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>>165842138
women are simply inferior to Men. This is the truth.

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>>165841443
This one?

>>165842221
Yeah but what about Elves?

I got some new bodyguard units installed for Attila, but the menu for it is very limited, only allows me to choose the first two (three actually, but the other unit is shoved down) and doesn't let me scroll down.

Is there any mod that fixes this or will I have to use "replace general" every time I want to chose some more than the first two bodyguard units?