/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

first for abortion soon

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REMINDER ONLY YOU CAN FIGHT THE GREEN MENACE

Factorio is balls

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military engineering game when?

>>165797693
Honestly I love military games with engineering elements
expecially things involving logistics or damage control

How to find uranium on a spengies blaned if I didn't happen to land close enough to any to pick it up on the ore detector from the ship I spawned in and landed on the planet with? I found a fuckton of silicon and nickel and am considering using that to make solar panel sails to power a large grid rover, and mounting an ore detector on that so I can hunt down some fucking uranium.

>>165797938
fly around with the ship?

>>165798091
The ship didn't come with enough to last for very long. It's been out for a while.

>>165797828
>Milsim games with engineering
Well fucking go on then, give us some examples.

REManon, when is the new version coming?

>>165798201
and immediately get them pointed out as not /egg/?
yeah, that works well

>>165798507
just post them :^)

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>>165798220
Soon.

>>165798507
Didn't ask you to find egg games, nerd, he asked for some examples of the thing you said.

>>165798642
Is REM really adding tanks? Didn't you guys say you weren't going to add tanks initially when you dreamed up your game? Will tanks/gameplay pretty much be a better version of Robocuck?

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Time for spengies

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Robocraps having another robot building competition, but this time its for things that use the new propellers. Submit your "aesthetics" shit, because looks are basically all that matters.

Lead dev Mark "I HATE DOGFIGHTING" Simmons is also mad that players are using the new propellers to make unstoppable drones and shit stomp opposing teams. He said they will give props a spinup time so they wont provide instant direction changes like they do now, but theres no coding in the game to implement it yet, so its probably a few weeks/months away. Its only an alpha afterall. :^)

stable spengs multiplayer with lots of/big grids when?

>starting thread wars

Looks like /egg/ has more in common with /kspg/ than they thought.

REAL thread
>>165796059
>>165796059
>>165796059

>>165800062
Next millenium when some autist mods it himself into an actual good game

>>165800142
:^)

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>>165799571
We written remcast now, apparently.

No, tanks were not in the original design. Prebuilt ships in a sphere arena with nothing in it was the "original design." As we git gud at game dev, we increase our scope exponentially. Not increasing the scope of ambition, like say, scam shitizen, but rather the detail of whats already here. Originally, we weren't even sure if armor mechanics could be implemented with any degree of accuracy, but here we are with a fully custom building system with panels having adjustable width that incorporate flawlessly into the structure system. You can build a ship entirely out of panels, btw.

Soon, we'll have a fully dynamic-ish resource system and heat simulation. Soon after, multiplayer.

Once that's in, then the ground stuff. Appreciably, it'll be most similar to world of tanks with custom tanks, but the rewards and progression will be much closer to early robocuck.

Really, we can add anything with a little time, provided we're interesting in it. Aircraft, anyone?

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>mfw I saw Gravity on TV last night
Space is some scary shit, famalam

>>165800592
>posting on /egg/
>not already knowing how scary space is

Fucking physicians, man.

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>>165800956
I don't usually space any more

>>165800956
>not embracing the void
fug I can't find that one by douman seiman with the robot and the girl that gets left in spess

>>165792209
just wanna support the dev :^)

What's a good way to mine on planets in Spengies, excluding flying ships?

>>165802580
uninstall

>>165802580
flying ships

>>165802580
>Build a ship with hydrogen thrusts.
>Fly to spess and mine asteroids.

>>165802805
>>165802618
:(

>>165802580
By hand?
There isn't really any other way besides ship and hand.

>>165803042
sorry senpai but that really is the only way, good luck trying do fuck with pistons on a moving platform

>>165802580

>>165803001 pretty much has it

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Any ideas how to get a big fat bitch with uneven aerodynamic drag to sail/fly in a straight line?

>tfw TT doesn't respond

>add pistons on ship
>character now drifts constantly to one side

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>submitted my P-38 into Robocucks prop plane contest

>tons of other fags also submitting P-38s and P-38 lookalikes

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>165806532
DEJA VU

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Do you enjoy simple things /egg/?
Like coming up with various ways to kill knights in "Kween's Fodder" in Besiege?

It's fun to come up with something initially blessed by Clang and then gradually stabilize the contraption.

>>165807417
>playing robocuck
found the problem m8 :^)

>>165807417
how many spitfires are there?

>>165807857

Theres alot of planes called spitfires that people have submitted that look sort of similar to a spitfire, but not accurate. They also all look like they handle like shit.

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ded

>>165809187

>Goddamnit Sasha, you haev only one job, and that is to be checkings turbine RPM to make sure it is not of spinnings too fast. Now was not time to be takings bathroom break.

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>>165809187
Soon.

is factorio fun_

>>165810330
yes

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Im making my own supermarine spitfire.

Is gud so far?

>>165812183
Notmeta/10

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>>165812183
step it up senpai

>>165809187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sayano%E2%80%93Shushenskaya_power_station_accident

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>>165804367
That seems pretty straight to me.


I have a problem myself.
I built a sub that uses the constraints on it's upward facing missile controllers to shoot a load of missiles at point blank at the things directly above it. It makes huge fun explosions. The problem is it doesn't always fire when something is above it.

My first thought was that it wanted to shoot a block on the enemy it was targeting that was not above it. So I removed the connection to the main AI with its target cards and snapped a single AI block on each side. This made an improvement, and it seems to fire more often, but still doesn't fire 100% of the time when below an enemy.

I just can't think of a way to make it surely fire when an enemy is above it.

>>165814853
You might try an ACB set to fire weapons when enemies are within a certain distance
I'm not very sure, but is there also an ACB setting that can be triggered when something is in front of the ACB block itself? Make it face upward and it might trigger when an enemy is overhead

REMdevs, I was watching the Remcast and as the ships battled in the background, it felt like there wasn't much feedback to tell the amount of damage your shot did to the enemy ship.
What if blown-away parts glowed hot red for a bit when shot off, before fading to normal colors? Might make it satisfying af to blow out a chunk of someone's ship.

>>165791178

Sent.

>>165814853
It looks straight but watch the bearing readout it does almost a full 90 degree turn.

The targeting in ftd is dark sorcery there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason the AI just picks a spot it wants to shoot and ignores all the massive turrets firing back

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We bad teeth naow.

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>>165815673
>What if blown-away parts glowed hot red for a bit when shot off, before fading to normal colors? Might make it satisfying af to blow out a chunk of someone's ship.

soon
Well, the easy fix right now is numbers add the amount of damage done to modules and popcorn them off like so.


The actual fix is, yes, making the thrusters being broken off look actually broken and sparkey and add smoke effects on the parts sailing off with some fuel dripping and all that. But fuck you, numbers for now.

Also, we've added a 'boost' button, which functions similarly to the armored core games, where you have a 'flux tank' that is constantly being filled. 'Boosting' takes a chunk of that, and requires a minimum amount. Use too much at once and you have to wait for it to recharge. GUI notification and bar soon.

>>165818010
>kong
>mwo
Its not even the robocuck that makes me hate you.

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>>165818875

>he doesnt kong

Come now. We are brothers in our love for ded shitty games.

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>>165819141
>not despising bastards that rally behind the fuckers that killed MWLL
My man, consider your life decisions and be ashamed of them.

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>>165819286

Mechwarrior is dead brah. I havent touched MWO for over a year now.

The Battletech game is going to be shit, and MW5 is going to be shit. Just let the series die.

and be like me and just wait patiently for the next Armored Core and hope its not shit too.

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>>165819505
Mechwarrior living legends was the chosen one. It was supposed to destroy the jews, not join them.

MWO's devs litterally sent them a cease and desist, because nobody was fucking playing the shitty new jew garbage that was MWO when MWLL existed just fine. The MWLL guys had permission from the owners of Mechwarrior and Battletech, but they couldn't support themselves in court. I'm still mad.

Armored core past FA is trash anyway, no point in hoping. Mw5 is litterally the only hope left, and they're going to fuck it up.

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I have a spengies feels for everyone.

I used to have a really bad computer, but it was just enough to run spengies.

>>165819634
just go redownload mwll and play it faggot it is still being updated.

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>>165819756
>really bad
>enough to run spongos
One and only one my man.

>>165819768
No, it isn't.

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When I heard they were adding planets I got excited, because I had always wanted something bigger to work with than asteroids. The addition of atmospheric and natural gravity play was going to be grand.

I went straight to designing a smallship dropship meant to land on the surface with a crew. The idea being a simple raiding vessel. No frills, not much armor.

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Then when I installed the update, it turned out my GPU couldn't run planets, it was only DX10 while planets required DX11.

My ugly little craft never got used.

>>165819837
Phenom 2 X3 720
4gb DDR2 667 5-5-5-15
HD4870

>>165819837
you are a retarded faggot but ill spoonfeed you this one https://clanjadewolf.net/mwll/

and if that link dont work just check out mwll reddit page

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I uninstalled the game, and never went back to it. Until I saw a friend play it today. I went back to see if the save loaded. Turns out a bunch of the mods are outdated, but it loads intact.

>>165819963
>clanners
Alright, you have me there. I didn't see the community edition, but that doesn't change the fact the original guys were jewed on by the MWO devs.

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I'm really liking Empyrion so far.

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unfortunately one of those parts were the cockpits I used, rip

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oddly the doors are pink but still function as doors fine

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>>165820253
>it didn't copy the pic

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>>165820121
It's pretty goddamn comfy.

>>165810878
it was pretty fun
but now that i've created ungodly amounts of iron and copper plates
what the fuck can i use steel for? what do i use all my resources on?

>>165796808
I dont come to this genreal very much but why is minecraft not /egg/? With a shit load of tech and production mods it basically becomes Factorio. You can make huge factories and have automation with logic circuits and even write computer code with other mods to handle production.

>>165822031
>Only ded games may join, otherwise they must have their own thread.

>>165807451
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

>>165822031
Press "back" and search for "minecraft" in the catalog, you fucking idiot.

>>165822404
Faggot

>>165822031
Because
>it has a general
>the community is infested with superaids

>>165823128
4chins minecraft community is just autistic, there are no retarded physicians or the like there as we have here. But still
>it has it's own general

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HWS NA server is down for maintenance. Does anyone know if this is typical or how long it might be?

>>165824350
>it's

>>165824660
Oh boy you just corrected his grammar. Oh boy you sure showed him.
Got 'em.

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>>165822031
You can't really make proper factorio like factories in minecraft the same way you can't in real life. There's no way to have a consistent stream of resources, even if you use that strip mining automation nonsense. The monsters are even less of a threat than they are in Factorio and can be marginalized with small fence and some light sources. There's no challenge, no consistency and it manages to chug the framerate somehow when things get busy.

>>165824773
>I'm a massive faggot with shit litteracy: The post.

Sure showed him.

>>165825829
You actually can mostly emulate factorio, given enough tweaking and work put in.
But minecraft doesn't really lend itself to that anyways.
Automating gregtech type autism is more fun anyways.

Still not/egg/ of course, and will probably never be /egg/.
Not ded, and too much fucking drama.

>>165826210
>too much fucking drama.
Nice meme
outsider

>>165826513
>curseforge drama
>forge/lexmanos drama
>jews everywhere
>vanillafags and retards who fall for meme versions
>botania
>doc
>etc.
Drama.

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>>165826513
I just spent the last twenty minutes running through the current mcg thread. Its full of idiots screaming at eachother and I'm pretty sure my odds of actually murdering someone in my lifetime improved by a factor of 6.

Not as bad as the mexican scam artist board, mind, you have that going for you.

>>165825829
How do you figure minecraft/tekkit factories aren't "proper" when they're arguably better since you don't have the 2d lodestone around your neck.

I don't want minecraft posters here either, just saying.

>>165826725
>There's no way to have a consistent stream of resources, even if you use that strip mining automation nonsense.

Please read the post next time, thanks.

also, nothing to appreciably work towards like in factorio but that's more about gameplay.

>>165826725
Because unless you use something like an IE excavator, you're not going to have the constant input of resources necessary to emulate factorio, as well as the
>no enemies
>nothing requires that much resources anyways
>etc.

They're very different types of factories.

Is this the most accurate detection you can get in FtD?

>Laser Range finder Tracker for 0.1% range error
>Camera 90 for the next one to work
>Camera Gimbal Tracker for 0.05% angular error

>>165826795
I did read it, you're just wrong. The big strip miners kinda do provide constant streams of resources if you use more than one and there are other methods of automated mining.

How can you complain about a lack of challenge and also complain that you want resource gathering to be less challenging?

>>165827001
>The monsters are even less of a threat
The enemies are pointless and aren't a challenge, and don't ever get more threatening. Again, please read the post.

>>165827203
But that's wrong too. I'm beginning to wonder if you've even played it. Anyway this wasn't supposed to degenerate into me having to explain to you sentence by sentence why you're wrong so I'm out.

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>>165803117
>TFW a ship performs better in an environment where wheels should reign supreme

Fuck Marek and his piece of shit engine.

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>>165828035
>playing spengies

>>165822201
*Space before
HIGHER ON THE 'ROID

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>>165814618
>The working life defined by the manufacturer for the turbines was specified as 30 years.
>At the moment of the accident, the age of the turbine was 29 years and 10 months.

Could anyone post v1 and v2 of your first construction in construction games? Say, first FtD small ship and a second version that you made after concluding first one performed like shit.

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>>165828776
Do videogames you made count?

This is the first version of REM with actual ship models as opposed to literal boxes.

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>>165829278
And this is the current inDEV version, slated for release SOON.

worth noting the first one actually had multiplayer up to 128 slots.

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>>165829398
it managed to run at 49 frames per second, max.

>>165829278
I remember getting my hands on Doom's alpha version back in 1995, some game magazines released it.

>>165829767
How did it run? Got my first computer in 2004, so I have no idea how any of that really worked.

>>165829278
Bruv, is it possible to procedurally generate ship models from basic geometric objects? Games like Spore randomly generate ships from preset models that are tweaked a little bit and mashed together, but when you play long enough, it'll be samey.
Is it possible to code a ship generator that creates ship based on its intended role, function and availability of components? For instance, coating critical areas in armor, placing engines and power plants - basically doing everything player does (or tries to do) when building ships in Spengies, - and then generating the ship's model that reflects all that.

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>>165828776
First ftd ship and second ftd ship. Surprisingly the first ship worked fairly well so the second version is almost a scaled up copy with detection improvements and metal armor.

>>165829875
Not that guy but "it can run doom full screen on high detail" was a performance benchmark for a while after it's release. It was perfectly playable on a 386dx though.

>>165829875
If you had a console-based OS, you typed in the path to folder with the .exe and launched it. Nothing complicated, unless you forgot where you put the file and how it's called.
Windows 95 was much easier to use, it's not that different from newest Windooz OS. Same bugs, less spying. Just find a folder and launch the .exe

Many used Linux distros like Slackware, but those got killed off by Autismo Supreme, Gentoo, there was no wine and games like Unreal and UT pushed people off to Windows.
Unix was there too, used by serius bizness guys.
Windows was seen by IT sphere like Apple is seen today.

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>>165830169
Well, anything is possible. Not in our scope though. If we had infinite time and money, we could, but since we have very little of either, none in some cases, there are things we'll need to shelve until we get some dollars and time.

It would indeed interesting and possibly quite lucrative to build the world's first evolutionary ship building algorithm that would test a vessel's aptitude to follow direction and survive damage against a base model test.

Issue being any amount of function in a vessel in REM would require thousands and thousands of instances, even with rules such as "thrusters in every direction, bound to a set control scheme" and "cover shit with armor panels," and "put guns on."

Any amount of function in a ship with lesser requirements, such as those in spengos would still be in question. Certainly easier, but the usefulness of a blob is questionable. We also have no interest in modding spengiggles, or touching it with a 50m barge pole. We made that mistake in the first years of its release.

>>165830559
>Windows was seen by IT sphere like Apple is seen today.
I think it still is, but to some more severe extent.

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>>165828776
Left is first version, right is second.
Managed to add functionality, reliability and speed while making it 1/9th the size

Not my first construction of course. All my old stuff is gone but this is the clearest progression.

>>165819843
>atmosphere
Basically no impact on the game - aside from reducing performance.
Only difference is your choice of thruster, really.

>natural gravity
Something to actively avoid, as it'll effectively ruin everything.
Space is infinitely preferable to planets.

bio engineering game worth a damn when

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>>165828776
v1 is the smallest

>>165830826
>Space is infinitely preferable to planets.
Kinda funny the modding community managed to not fuck it nearly as badly as the devs did. Planetary gravity was a thing months and months in advance of actual planets.

>>165830559
>Windows was seen by IT sphere like Apple is seen today.

Not reeally. Today the pc "scene" and the internet in general is already ruined and crawling with normalfags. In the 90's both of those things were still the realm of the tech savvy, they were still "pure"

Windows changed all that and destroyed what had been a magical place with hardly any retards. An internet with hardly any retards can you imagine that?

>>165819286
mechwarrior living legends was revived a few months ago

https://clanjadewolf.net/mwll/

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>>165831105

>>165830617
I just can't get Warning Forever from my head. I remember there being a game like Battleships Forever that evolved the premade ships by adding and removing parts.

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>>165828776
The first rocket sled, made after I quickly figured out how wacky friction (or lack thereof) was in the earlier versions.
/rcg/ survivor reporting.

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>>165832237
And this was the first step into dogfighting, which was my aim since probably half an hour after I realised how shit wheels were.

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>>165832201
Don't worry, I understand. I spent more time in school playing battleships forever on the shit XP machines than actually doing schoolwork.

It actually got me interested in building games in general. We'll make a good effort on it once we have something to ship, but no promises.

>>165832329
I AM STILL FUCKING FURIOUS THEY KILLED GLORIOUS ZEPPELIN COMBAT IT WAS SO FUCKING FUN

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>>165832430
I should have kept an early version of the game somewhere safe, then slowly deconstructed the coding over time. Or at least found somebody who knew how to already.

>>165826623
>>>curseforge drama
>>forge/lexmanos drama
>>jews everywhere
>>vanillafags and retards who fall for meme versions
>>botania
>>doc
>>etc.

Explain them to me one by one and in order please. I sustain myself on schadenfreude but i'm too lazy to research by myself.

>>165830617
>Issue being any amount of function in a vessel in REM would require thousands and thousands of instances

Would be possible to add a "evolving opponent" option to the menu and then send the results to a central server where they get elaborated for the evolutionary stuff? The players do the tests, you get the data.

you guys are smart, what is the name of a component that can create an internal spark gap?

I search spark gap on amazon but just get spark plug shit
engineering games

>>165833151
it's called a spark gap
you take a wire
then another wire
and you put them apart
you know, with air between
that's a spark gap

>>165833215
Pretty much. You could make a spark gap with a couple of screw 2 wires and a plastic drink bottle.

>>165833215
I know that, see how I said an internal spark gap?

I don't want just two wires stuck down arking about the place, I want something contained inside something.

>>165833506
then get something
like a plastic bottle or a pcb or whatever the fuck
think with your head or just bang shit together until it works
that's how I graduated, after all

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>>165833593
Nigga I've made this little stun gun, I want to modify it to be able to emit en emp. I just needed something small I can glue to the side or something that will let me make a smaller spark gap not connected to the two main electrodes. Something I can put my hand around without worrying about getting a shock. I'm learning as I go so am trying to overcomplicate things a bit.

A gas discharge tube seems to be the component I need.

>>165834094
Pence pls go

>>165834094
you could just put a fucking neon there then
should have said you'll want to touch it again instead of shoving it into some shitty fucking tesla coil and never seeing it again

>>165834094
1. Make spark gap
2. Cover with insulation
3. ???
4. Why did you find this hard

>>165832947
A pseudo evolutionary opponent would work, and be something we can technically do right the fuck now, where a design is submitted to the global server, which is sent to all players. Kill the king of the ring, your design is then submitted to be the next king. More matches you win against all players globally, better your score. The final design is taken from the server and a "default" I build it one is then submitted, with some elements taken from the king it was based on.

It would litterally be the perfect evolutionary game, where its a mix between random and designed changes and choices. Granted, it would be an AI facing players, which gives it a massive disadvantage. A design that a player can use competently could be a design that is totally useless in the hands of the AI, and vice versa. Perhaps only AI can pilot your submission, to avoid this issue.

>>165834370
>hand grips place where spark gap is
>nudges shit around
>gap disturbed
>no way to check without taking it apart

>>165831164
I remember life being more thoughtful and fulfilling in general. Back then, we identified, fed and then trolled lolcows to e-death. Chris-chan, Slaughter, Habbo players, goons, scamatologists - those lolcows.

Today noone puts an effort into trolling because SJWs are such a low-hanging fruit.

I remember when we reacted to any newfag with shock images so that moralfags, kids and gurrls (although no gurrrl used Internet back then) would go the fuck away.
In 2008 I went to uni and realised that *everyone* was a fucking newfag, spouting memes and laughing at rage comics and ytmnd.
2007 was probably the point Internet became shit because of newfags.

>>165834909
Insulation doesn't have to be made purely from insulation tape, da Vinci.
It's just made from materials that insulate.

Anyone here heard if Dual Universe?
What do you think?
Seems like it could be great, but they're really taking on a big project (basically combining spengies and EVE), and a relatively small team.
Also the monthly fee puts me off.

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>>165832430
The first "modular starships" game I heard of was a fake screenshot of touched-up X:COM Interceptor, with ad saying something about fully customizable and destructible spaceships. The game in the box was bootleg GTA 2 I was looking for, but the screenshot remained in my mind until I found Fraxy and Battleships Forever.
I also saw Starship Troopers right about then, which together made watching exploding starships my pastime of choice.

>>165835000
No the internet had already succumbed to normalfag cancer by 2001. There were so many that online gaming had to change business models to accommodate these fucking babies who couldn't handle being beaten.

>>165834672
On an unrelated note, do you have a rough idea how much does a sprite artist capable of doing something on level of FTL request for work?

>>165835207
>Also the monthly fee puts me off.
How do you expect them to run servers or support development?

>>165835526
Literally any amount between free for giggles and 10 grand per 100 hours. Typically 200- ish per large detailed asset.

>>165835312
First sign of barbarian (lawyers, executives, shareholders who don't know vidya, y'know) hordes at the gates of PC gaming was release of C&C: Sole Survivor. Something about that garbage sucked so hard I dropped it about 20 seconds after realising everyone drives a Mammoth.

>>165835596
How much shit will be flung at a person who releases a game for mobiles that looks like it has vector graphics?
Or does mobile gaming market have its own equivalent of DF?

>>165835596
>How do you expect them to run servers or support development?
I understand that, it still puts me off because I don't have alot of time to play.
Guild Wars only had you pay for the base game and they seemed fine, but I'm guessing such a small company can't afford it.

>>165835790
>2d space game
Also, smartphone processors are pretty powerful - seemingly way more powerful than 333 I've played Battleships Forever on. Do they perform like actual 1.4Ghz (or whatever's the current generation's CPUs are) CPUs or are they much slower?

>>165835790
As long as it has alright aesthetics, it'll be fine.

>>165835835
Well, would you instead accept paying exactly only for what you play? What is your solution to keeping their lights on instead? A single chunk of change all at once is great, but that only works for games that just cease development and have no further outgoing cost. Its a job, not a charity.

>>165835668
I don't know about that but you can see when the demographic shifted around 2000-20001 from computer literate nerds to normalfag babies.

That's when consensual pvp became the norm to protect everyone's feelings and mmos have been utter garbage ever since.

Before 2000 unregulated pvp was the norm. It was the golden age of online gaming.

>>165835835
Fantasy shit has a much larger market.

>>165835975
>would you instead accept paying exactly only for what you play?
Definitely

Again I understand why there has to be a fee, but it doesn't make me like it.

>>165836071
I'll note this. What is the maximum you'd consider fair?

>>165835967
Smartphone cpus are insane these days. My oneplus is better than a 1000 dollar rig from 2005. Granted, they're better at some things and a lot worse at others. The OS, for example, can be a pain.

>>165836341
>What is the maximum you'd consider fair?
For a game of that scope I'd say (up to) 30$ a month. And I would pay that if I had a full time job, but since I'm a poor student right now, I'd consider it at up to 15/month, and I'd definitely play it at something like 15$ for, say, 120 hours of gameplay. (based on a guess that I'd play ~4 hrs a day)

>>165836792
My point is if there was some sort of pay for playtime option, even if the prices are not what I'd said, I'd definitely play it.

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>>165836916
>Pay for playtime packages
>Plus sub packages for less than current rates for NEETs and to catch out people who stop playing early
This is a genius idea

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>>165836916
Would you also accept a premium time system using the same concept?

>>165835987
UO killing itself with Trammel was the turning point, I guess.

>>165837697
>premium time system
I'm not sure what that entails exactly.

>>165837989
similar to wot and robochuck, you get bigger rewards and some other perks in exchange for the premium currency, which costs real money.

>>165837989
>>165837697
I guess he means premium plans like f2p games (WoT, WT, PS2).

I think the better idea would be giving the privilege to build a ship to paying customers, while free users can only man ships someone else owns. That way we could have realistic relationship between crew and officers/captain.

>>165838345
As long as it's not completely p2w I could get behind this.
>>165838504
That too, although maybe let the players build at least a small/basic ship, for the sake of personal transport and such.

>>165839010
Or a jihad torpedo.

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>>165839010
>That too, although maybe let the players build at least a small/basic ship, for the sake of personal transport and such.
Literally nobody would do crews then. You'd have to drag them kicking and screaming.

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>>165828776
version one (the first one wasn't exactly functional)

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>>165841697
version two

it's 5 years later, we have superior games, but i still want that god damn source code

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>>165841697
>actually posting new corneroids content for the first time in several years in the horribly mutated bastard child of corneroids general
The absolute fucking madman.

>>165841937
nah it's old content, it's just the last time i posted these pictures must have been in 2012

>>165840792
This, make it like puzzle pirates or something, where your ONLY option to travel is on a player-owned vessel that needs a crew a you have to play some little minigame or something to operate the machinery or pay the captain for board.

We could easily run a huge transit line.

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>>165842079
But when will Mikko stop working for some retarded fucking mobile company and finally release that source code?

>>165842296
never

enjoy your dead early access games, failed free to play robocraft clones and disappointing overhyped releases turning out to be empty husks

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>>165842405
>>>>>

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>>165842448
>remanon is watching you rubbing your nose

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>>165832706
Not him, but if I remember correctly.
Curse is a big ass cancer network that runs the Mineman forums, along with Forge and FTB. They depreciated the old modding forum and instead switched everyone over to a shitty curse website. There's really shady shit going on with curse, and I think one of the issues was that uploading on curseforge would basically mean curse owned the mod. Basically they suckle off microjews teet and got a monopoly over the community.

Forge is the main nodding API, lexmanos is a major guy behind the API, and he's a total fucking sperg. Theres too much drama to really go over.

Every server owner is a Jew. If you go on any server you'll see shit like vote for diamonds and other nonsense, bribing players to increase SEO rankings.

The game is really limited in vanilla, bunch of quarter assed half baked features. Good mods mitigate that but a bunch of kiddies fall for kitchen sink packs that are just schizophrenic collections of mods with no thought put into the experience. FTB likes to shit those out.

Botania is a shitty mod about magic flowers.

>>165842405
and that one retarded normie constantly shilling his non-engineering, non-sandbox and non-corneroids ASSFAGGOTS-wannabe game

>>165842448
>reposting old webms

remanon pls

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>>165807480
Who needs stability or control when you can just let clang choose its own path?

The (currently) last Valfross zone is actually pretty hard if you try to do it "properly" because the elite knights just break anything with some kind of structure in seconds and aren't too easily killed by fire or impact.

>>165835596
Probably the same way companies used to in the past; making money off selling the game.
It worked for at least a decade, so why shouldn't it now?

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>>165843443
Go ahead and play a game from this time period you just mentioned. Play through the whole damn thing.

Notice anything?

for this to work, lets pretend it only took you a few hours, and it wasn't some jrpg 100 hour bullshit

You can complete that shit 100% in a very short period. The mechanics are simple, the content is skimpy and the polygons are large. Nothing wrong with any of that, and frequently the small amount of content means they only have good shit, but its a fraction of how big games are today.

You can litterally program and make the art for Super Mario 64 in about two months today, starting with nothing, for example. Even less if you use a pre-made engine such as unity or unreal. Creation of games in the past could very well be done in someone's basement for very little cost or effort.

Effort and polish required combined with sheer amounts of modern content really make that shit hard to pull off in the same way. Worth noting everything costs more, even adjusting for inflation.

>CPU rarely goes abow 70C when playing shit like Witcher 3 on high
>80C in 5 minutes when playing spengies SP pretty much not doing anything
Why? Could shitton of mods cause it?

>>165843903
Well except the physical computers.

I should know, Pentium Pro 200mhz w/ 128mb of RAM and an Imagine 128 II, along with assorted software, ran me $5k

>>165844483
Apparently spengies uses the cpu for a lot of rendering shit, more than it should.

>>165844483
t. ksh shill

Its the keencode retard, no way of saving it.

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>>165844526
I had a glorious voodoo rig that ran 8k, somehow. But nobody fucking had a top of the line anything, everybody used the cheapest of shit and it reflected in how everything was so well optimised.

>>165843903
This is a terrible argument millenial developers use to excuse their laziness and lack of ability compared to the devs of the past.

You could not make a game of comparable quality in two months. You might be able to make a shitty mario 64 copy but it would be shitty. Just the play testing would take more than 2 months.

>>165844561
>cpu
>in charge of rendering anything
Really makes me feel good to have a AMD housefire. At least I have a noctua aluminum gravity anchor.

>>165844746
t.grumpy grampa
C'mon now, anon, think about what you just said and go play a modern game that isn't garbage and say it again with a straight face.

>>165843903
I've always wanted to see a percent breakdown of budgets of games of then vs games of now.
Because it feels like they spend a fuckload more on marketing than they used to.

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>>165844892
>they spend a fuckload more on marketing than they used to
Yes and no, depending. On one hand, old game comercials were amazingly awesome and sold shit. Unfortunately they had nothing to do with the actual game, usually.

Today, videogames are a lot more socially accepted and you need less awesome commercials. On the flip side, everything is more expensive, so it balances out. Its true there is MORE marketing going on, just not out of any one particular game. There's simply more shit to market these days.

>>165844831
Not an argument. The guy who made something like exile on bbc micro has more talent in his little finger than you'll ever have.

It's got more content than anything you'll ever make and it runs in 32kb of ram.

>>165845148
For something like indie games, I understand needing good marketing, they don't have any kind of presence on the market.
But bigger games just feel more marketing than game these days.
And they don't need that, they have brand presence, they have fans, they have people who know their names.

That is of course, ignoring the fact that most people in marketing are abysmally stupid, and could be replaced with people with actual experience in psyops and shilling.

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>>165845171
>It's got more content than anything you'll ever make and it runs in 32kb of ram.
Sweet my man, but that changes litterally nothing. Instantly dismissing the previously stated fact and pretending modern games don't have far and away more, higher 'quality' note, I don't mean better, I mean higher fidelity. Resolution, mainly. Find me a 4k texture pre-2006 and I'll give you a fucking medal. and more intuitive assets and content means you are actively deluding yourself.

Yes, there are men on this planet who will fuck more women than either of us will ever meet. There are people who will make more money than I have numbers to count with. There are people who have a good argument, and my man you're not one of them.

>>165845413
*could be replaced at a significantly lower cost/number of employees

>>165844483
Think of your pc as a room heater, but you also get to have fun :^)

>>165845413
>But bigger games just feel more marketing than game these days.
>And they don't need that, they have brand presence, they have fans, they have people who know their names.

You just might have contradicted yourself my man.

>That is of course, ignoring the fact that most people in marketing are abysmally stupid

Nevermind, all good.

In any case, selling games is harder than making them. At least programming makes sense.

>>165845416
>my retarded, ignorant opinions are facts. I am also a better and more hardworking dev than those of the past.

Whatever retard. It takes more work to make the sprites for something like street fighter two that all the textures in the average AAA release. That pixel shit is hard.

>>165843903
>Go ahead and play a game from this time period you just mentioned.
Something like Unreal Tournament 2004?

>mechanics are simple
Hardly any simpler than contemporary or modern FPS games.

>content is skimpy
You mean a singleplayer campaign worth some 6 hours, hundreds of maps, several game modes, an incredibly powerful editor (and all the user-made mods that later sprung from it)? also
>ESRB Notice: game experience may change during online play

>polygons are large
Do you think that perhaps hardware plays into this?
Compared to its contemporaries, UT2004 had impressive graphics.
Today, it's still passable - even if it lacks bloom, depth of field, motion blur and lens flares.

>You can litterally program and make the art for Super Mario 64 in about two months today
I've never played the series myself, but do you realistically think a modern installment of the series would be significantly more expensive to produce?

>Creation of games in the past could very well be done in someone's basement for very little cost or effort.
Open up the Steam store, then search for indie games. You'd find approximately 8000 entries, some of which are undoubtedly made in someone's basement.
Browsing through said games, I do at times wonder if any effort was put into them.

>>165845845
>I personally attack people because I know I'm wrong; the post

Sounds good, be sure to grab your gift bag on your way out of reality.

>>165845965
I'm not the one claiming they could make mario 64 in two months. You sir have no clue what you're talking about.

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/egg/
Engineer your games general

Will this be as usefull as theorycrafting?

>>165845652
Selling things, any things when you're new to the market is the challenge.
It's the initial hurdle that you have to get over.

Once you've got an established consumer base, you move towards casualization and mass appeal, without alienating your original base.
At this point marketing is still necessary.


But if you get AAA or close to it, even the size of ckprojectred, marketing is almost unnecessary due to the amount of people willing to do it for free.
Look at all the people defending the switch, the ps4 pro, the lack of transparency in most of the console market, nvidia's jewery, amd's retardation, etc.
They literally market themselves.
But AAA devs still have fuckhuge marketing teams, and even bigger and bigger budgets for them.

I think that part of the problem is that they're vestiges of when marketing was necessary, and the companies don't understand information control in the internet age as well as they think they do.
Also I doubt they're willing to just throw 80% of their marketing teams out the metaphorical airlock.

>>165845902
>>content is skimpy
I did mean actual assets, sorry. Content is too overused to mean fucking anything at this point.

>>polygons are large
More of a throwaway statement, yes I understand hardware is now a gorillion times better, but that also means it was easier to craft assets in the past. Lensflare, DoF and anything else are effects on top of assets.

>Open up the Steam store, then search for indie games. You'd find approximately 8000 entries, some of which are undoubtedly made in someone's basement.
Browsing through said games, I do at times wonder if any effort was put into them.

This supports the point. There were games like this in the past, action 52 is the golden example but they were still more difficult to make than many decent quality games of today due to advancements in hardware and software development.

>>165846065
Never said I could, I just said it was possible, where it absolutely was not before, due to advancements in hardware, software and knowledge. Please at least make sure you read the post before getting this mad.


>>165846335
>Also I doubt they're willing to just throw 80% of their marketing teams out the metaphorical airlock.

You don't understand corporate life completely, then. No, they reason they're kept is mostly to do with tax reasons and swallowing more money for the top execs. But, yes, they are vestigial. The moment there's half a decent good reason to drop them, in the eyes of Mr.FatCat, they'll be annihilated with extreme prejudice.

>>165846071
/egg/ exists to theorycraft.

>>165846559
I admit to being relatively ignorant about corporate life, but I thought the marketing was one of the big breeding grounds of nepotism is industries.
Plus it would be a terrible PR move.

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>>165846726
You're correct, with the exception of absolutely saving the department because it was always there, but anything in corporate life is to make money.

Literally everything can and will go or stay to make more money, even if its only for right now.

>Plus it would be a terrible PR move.

There's always a way to spin it, anon.

>>165846559
>I just said it was possible

It's not possible. You can't make a game like mario 64 and get everything perfect in 2 months. Not for a team the size they used, not for a team twice the size of what they used.

Fucking lazy millenial devs thinking they can push shit out the door and patch it later. YOu can't patch mario 64 it had to made AND fully bug tested in 2 months?

>>165846958
>and get everything perfect
Find me a game with that quality.

>Fucking lazy millenial devs

You keep saying that with unreasonable anger. Did one take your job? Girlfriend? Wife? Did the little millennial bully you?

did they browse kspg? Because I'd hate them too.

>AND fully bug tested in 2 months?
>fully bug tested
>fully
>everything perfect

Fucking. Lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exd_vAkYc18

There's a whole branch of entertainment litterally dedicated to breaking the game without using external tools or mods.

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>>165847374
Now you're just being ignorant on purpose. Before digital distribution you didn't get any patches or hotfixes. Your game had to be ready to go with no apparent bugs and the vast majority of the time they were of that quality.

>people can find lots of bugs when they spend all their free time actively looking for bugs that they wouldn't encounter in normal gameplay

Jesus christ you're a fag

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>>165847712
Found this in an eb games bargin bin.

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>>165847968
>Jesus christ you're a fag
Says the one that's this mad on the basis of a single statement made to convey a point.

Do you get out very much, anon?

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>>165847989
>holding that without gloves

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>>165847989
>mfw

>>165848140
Being wrong about everything and accusing the other person of being mad is not an argument anon.

>>165848367
Just saying things are wrong or right doesn't make them either, anon.

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>>165848312
>>165848183
Took a few pics. Seems fresh off the production line. No odd smells, or textures.

>you must wait two mins to post another image
I feel bad for dump anons.

>>165848416
Apparently nothing makes you wrong anon, nothing. Keep believing that your job is hard when in fact it's easier to be a game developer than it's ever been. Cry less and git gud

>>165848183
What the hell am I looking at here?

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>>165848602
Why the fuck is on every pic.

>>165848709
>job
You wut. I don't make games.
>Cry less and git gud
Now I know you're shitposting.

Fun banter, anon, we really should do it again some time.

>>165848837
>You wut. I don't make games.

That explains a lot.

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>>165848602
>employ dirt poor communist peasants we were at war with recently to make poor quality toys for manchildren

>>165848918
Oh my man, I'd love to come back with a spicy one but I'm all out of time and actually have to go be productive instead of shitposting off topic on a thread that has litterally nothing to do with gamedev.

Have a nice day, madanon.

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>>165847989
Stand it on its front and you get a great cupholder.

>>165849051
>I have a comeback but I'm not going to say it.

Ok bye.

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>>165848942
>>165849075
>mfw this shit is allowed
>mfw we actually became the fortunate sons

>>165849186
Not him, but
>Oh my man, I'd love to come back with a spicy one
>I'd love to come back with a spicy one
>I'd love to come back

Doesn't that mean he didn't have a comeback?

>>165848942
In a way, doing that is like playing an engineering game irl.

>>165849359
>I'd love to come back with a spicy one but I'm all out of time
>but I'm all out of time

The implication is that he most definitely does have a comeback but there was not enough time available to type it.

>>165840792
Well, in wow they had guilds even though you could travel alone

>>165848942
>Recently
Not really. 5-15 years is 'recent' in war terms, not 42 (political relationships afterward notwithstanding).
Hell, the US is on better terms with Vietnam now than a number of other countries in that area who you've never fought with.

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>>165838504
>Become captain/shipwright
>Get on good terms with most others
>Secretly have one or two ships with self-destruct mechanisms
>Persuade troublesome crew members to take them

>>165797693
Imagine GMod with War Thunder penetration mechanics.

>>165851753
>Contact your opponent's team
>Convince "lol so random" crew member to hijack and 9/11 the enemy ship into an asteroid

>Space Engineers
>Empyrion
>Starmade
>probably some others
How do I choose ?

>rotor clang rips apart your 300 G gravity cannon

>>165840792
NPC transport ships can handle ferrying players from point to point, but will be more vulnerable than player-crewed ships.

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>>165840792
The fact that he has his turn signals on is what gets me every time

>>165844694
I think everything was so well-optimised because of market being flooded with ex-USSR programmers.
Until maybe 1996, soviet/russian computers were so far behind the West that programmers had to spend much more time optimizing than writing original code. And sometimes you had to file an application and jump through bureaucratic hoops to have your code compiled at all.

So when Iron Curtain fell, these guys were sought after by IT companies, some started their own, like Google.

>>165845652
He hasn't.
Marketing budget is so hilarously inflated because it's the way big business works, and that's what games are now - a big fucking business that has fat cat investors who don't know what games are and don't care.

And the companies appeal to the crowd that never played games before. That's why we have "gamers" whose career started with candy crush, angry burds, CoD4+, Minecraft - you name it. These people always thought of games as "nerd hobby", but now games where no thought, skill or dedication are needed are leading the market and these "players" are voting with their wallets.

And maybe I'm a tinfoil, but I smell a huge embezzling scheme within marketing budgets.

>>165845902
UT2004 still has good graphics.
>>165846559
>I did mean actual assets
I don't know what you are talking about, games from top devs in the era like Monolith (NOLF, AvP2) have lots of quality assets.

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r8 my babby's first research
it looks like a mess, it will probably clog itself up again shortly, but at least it looks to be functioning for the moment

>>165831105
Sidewinder - Cobra - Type 9 Heavy

>>165855386
where's the link
is this it
it's below right, so it has to be the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmSXEF4OzNU

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>>165855386
>physicians

>>165854640
>I think everything was so well-optimised because of market being flooded with ex-USSR programmers.

Not to take anything away from the ruskies but that's a stretch. The overall standards for the entire industry were just higher back then, partly by necessity and partly because it was a newish frontier that attracted very bright people.

Things are bad now because the people are bad. Nowadays every half melted transexual with delusions of grandeur and numale beta cuck is a game developer

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>>165855519
Don't do it, nigga, I suggest you don't do loops until you understand what fucks them and how to unfuck them.

>>165856110
Where do the smart people work now? Investment funds? IT consulting? Integrating shit like ERP, CRM, etc.?

>>165855519
>multiple different items on same belt lane
You're just asking for trouble.

>terminating the belt in a chest for colllection
This is only delaying the inevitable.

>>165856110
It's not about the russians, it's about computing power as a whole. The more power you have, the less likely you are to expend effort to converse little bits of it. With great power comes great responsibility, and modern web designers piss all over responsibility.

>>165856461
Also, some inserters on this pic are fucked, you can fix them easily though by adding one more belt cell or placing the inserter differently.

>>165856596
Office IT helpdesks.
They know they won't have to do anything hard, but will still get paid.

>>165856596
Drones, robotics and AI I guess.

>>165856705
The russian angle does have merit since those broke assholes were working on bootleg zx spectrum clones so if you weren't resourceful you eat shit and find another job.

>>165835987
Tell that to Lineage 2 and Fallout Online and Haven and Hearth.

>>165857494
WTF? All of them have non-consensual PvP as chief focus.

>>165857792
All of them were shit and died save for a small community of russians maybe 400 or so in number. Even EVE Online tends to attract the kind of audience that sees non-consensual and abuses it until there's no new userbase to enjoy the game. It's pretty amusing the first few times getting blown up while trying to nab a quest or talk with someone but it gets very old very fast for anyone but the seediest of grognards and neckbeards

>>165857494
Nobody said it didn't exist it's just not the norm anymore and I really doubt those games are as unrestricted as you think.

In the most popular mmo of the 90's there were zero safe zones. In town, Outside town, at the bank, at your own house, at the police station it didn't matter where you were anyone could fuck with you anywhere, taking everything you ever had and you didn't get to choose a pvp server or a fag server everyone had to either learn to pvp or actually interact with people and form groups to be able to play in relative safety.

fucking carebears

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>tfw EVE will never be fun

>>165858515
I've watched more people just quit because there were those that would just camp wherever they'd respawn as a newbie for days and were at the mercy of higher levelled/skilled players to come in and clear them out.

Nah, PVP being optional or mandatory aren't what has been killing MMOs, it's a mix of not having anything interesting to offer once you get past the wow factor of a ton of players, too much/too little grind, pyrrhic "Free to play" options that bog the game down, and the few who survive all of that get so obsessed with the meta that it loses any semblance of immersion it has left and becomes any other game you can use numbers to win like Monopoly.

Any reason I don't hear much about people playing Spengies with all the threats on, from cyberhounds to drones to spiders?

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>>165847989

>girly sweater
>what looks like a boob
>could possibly be a moob
>chubby man hand

>>165859665
>Any reason I don't hear much about people playing Spengies with all the threats on, from cyberhounds to drones to spiders?
Spengies is frustrating enough. If it actually worked people might warm up to more shit to deal with.

>Nah, PVP being optional or mandatory aren't what has been killing MMOs
I disagree. When they made pvp optional they made interaction optional and if you don't want to interact with anyone why the fuck are you playing an mmo.

>I've watched more people just quit because there were those that would just camp wherever they'd respawn as a newbie for days and were at the mercy of higher levelled/skilled players to come in and clear them out.

Darwinism. Players who weren't retarded would stop spawning in the same place, team up and get better at fighting. If you're talking about UO every player had the exact same maximum health so the gap between the weak and strong was much narrower than in most games. A new guy with a throwaway poisoned dagger had a real chance against someone with the best gear and character possible. A slim one, but a chance.

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>>165856461
>>165856621
surprisingly it hasn't clogged itself up a single time
i'm creating more belt transports and inserters than necessary, and the occassional iron plate or copper cable makes its way to the end of the line, but besides that it uses up everything, not a single circuit board nor gear has made its way to the end since the massive issues in the start
i was thinking of placing a new belt with a bunch of filters up top to re-use the resources that go through unused, send them through another processing area, maybe for a material i need less of, i can merge it with the excess copper plates that come from up top too
i figure belt transports and inserters are always useful so i thought it wasn't so much harm to produce more than necessary, i can just use them later anyway since they get made into crucial things, or i can create more research factories and be fine. currently just stockpiling them and using them as they come
definitely not the most efficient way to do things though since for example the circuit boards are created inside the same loop they are used in, rather than being fed into it from another loop

is there any particular reason my boilers don't get filled to the brim automatically? or does it only use as much coal as is necessary, meaning i can stop worrying about it?

>>165860074
That's clearly a woman, you can tell by the nails and skin, which reminds me

>>165847989
LONDON
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>>165861562
It's 2017, anon. You can't tell the difference between a man and a man pretending to be a woman anymore.

>>165860552
One could argue the downfall was when they gave little to no incentive to group up, like FFXI was mandatory to adventure in groups or you fucking died to anything that wasn't 20 levels under you, and how the trend eventually leaned towards better rewards for doing it alone such as Age of Conan. And forced PVP is generally only "kill anyone not on friend's list on sight" than actual interaction, it's also why most Rust-likes these days are pretty garbage.

Hard to spawn elsewhere when most of the older MMOs had limitations on where you were allowed to respawn and many punished you harder for respawning anywhere that wasn't where you dropped dead. Yes, in UO, a newbie had a chance, but most mixed in levelling systems that were such that if someone was more than 5 levels higher than you it was like a kitten trying to fight a grain thresher. You may be thinking only of sandbox MMOs like SWG, EVE Online, and UO, but many were Themepark MMOs where you were guided along a relatively straight path with a few forks.

And frustrating enough? What's frustrating about constantly being hunted down by things that will slap your shit and what doesn't work about them?

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First big ship I ever made, still a WIP, what do you think?

The big skeleton part is meant to be as a sort of shield, it's a mining ship that would go in and blast asteroids.

>>165863219
I like how it looks as is
noice

I need to learn proper critique, I'm sure there's something that can be improved

>>165863219
Looks like someone welded together a some scrap, bolted thrusters and conveyors on it and bent shit on and around it to resemble a ship.
I like it.

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>>165863397
Thanks man
I got inspired by pic related and the Ishimura from Dead Space

>>165863806
I'm glad you think so

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>spengies
>old multiplayer netcode
>landing on planets is easy and simple
>New netcode lands
>Suddenly landing larger ships is an absolute nightmare, landing too fast (i.e. 1m/s or sbove) results in the entire thing literally melting as is it's sinking into the ocean
What the sweet fuck

>>165860552
Because that works so fucking well when there's only one n00b spawn.

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>>165797693

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>>165800572
>world of tanks with custom tanks
If you add an HP bar I will have a desire to slap you.
If you don;t then it's more like War Thunder's design ,where you can over pen and Swiss cheese a tanks but never actually damage anything.

>>165871085
So, what do you propose?

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>>165796808
are city builders engineering games now that there is no general?

>>165872202
No.

>>165872202
Why not make a general?

>>165869481
Alt tab frequently

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>>165872202
>>165872451
desu I'd be alright with it if the guy posting was shooting for a modern Magnasanti

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>>165872173
I'm saying I want it more like war thunder, although I obscured that by saying I don't want it like world of tanks.
I like the system as it is now, World of Tanks has an HP bar for the entire tank, so even if you hit armor and don't damage anything it does damage.
The current system and planned system sounds more like War Thunder, where individual modules and parts (and crew) have damage done to them but if you over pen you can just shoot a hole through the tank without damaging it.

>>165872740
What do you mean?

>>165877449
do literally that

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>>165877449
>>165878060
especially when you are entering the atmosphere

10

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Post physicianeering

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>>165880365
>physicianeering

>>165880365
why is it bleeding?

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>lets browse /diy/!

it's going to take me a while to recover from this

>>165881714
Explain

>>165881714
What am I supposed to see here?

>>165881852
>>165881905
it's fuggen wrong

see how the triangles are different angles?

shit got destroyed by rain apparantly

>>165882019
>see how the triangles are different angles?
Remind us why this is a problem.

>>165871085
No real way to add a hp bar other than totaling the amount of hp every module on your craft has, and that would mean literally nothing. Don't worry, we understand. One of us is a unicum and the other plays war thunder Sim tank battles. We both hate them for different reasons. Problem with wt is the retarded balance system they have in regards to mm.

>>165884837
Structurally not sound.

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landfill makes life easy

>>165885692
It's obviously hanging from a middle pylon, not standing on it's own and you want the load shared evenly by each segment, thus they need to converge on the anchor point

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>>165886413
>Boilers on the far end
>MANUALLY
>CARRYING
>ORE

>>165863219
looks great mang

>>165885692
I hate people like you, who must be dragged every step of the way towards getting an explanation.
Why is that particular construction not structurally sound, and how does it tie into the angles of the triangles?