/svg/ - Shadowverse General

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Post elf

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Why aren't people playing Hybrid Elana Seraph any more?

What prompted the switch back to pure Seraph?

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Play Shadowcraft.

So I got an animated skullfane from a pack. Is it a playable card or should I dust it to craft cards for aggro blood?

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>>165796787

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>>165796787

>>165796885
Dust that shit mang

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Reached A0 under 200 wins, I did it my dude.

>>165796885
Don't dust animated legendaries.

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>>165796787

No. Elves are overrated.

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New to Shadowverse.

Aside the info in OP, what do i need to know before delve deeper in the game? any tips or exploits i need to know?

Thanks to all who have helped so far with private matches.

14259 still up (4/20)

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>>165796974

>>165796885

dust garbage animated legendaries

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possibly the worst play i've ever seen

no idea how this guy was AA

>>165797030
if you wear a skirt while playing you will always get levi, 2 piercing runes by turn 4 going 2nd

>>165797030
Rerolling. It's in the guide, but important. Rest will come naturally.

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>>165796842
People realised Elana is a HUGE SLUT

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Need a concede
96413

>>165797098

don't see anything wrong here

fuck khawy

>>165797030

>pick a class to reroll into (Preferably Sword or Forest)
>beat all seven Elite AIs for 1400 rupies
>play a private matches with 20 different players for 100 rupies each
>clear single player campaign for basic cards
>grab the T2 cheat sheets if you want to git gud in arena
>watch replays to know when to trade etc

Pretty much that.

>>165796885
Never dust legendaries unless you absolutely need vials for a deck you could finish immediately.

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>tfw have an easier time climbing with meme deck instead of midsword

>>165796974
She's probably very bushy downstairs

>>165797030
Besides rerolling, don't try to rank up too much until you establish a good base of cards for each class otherwise you'll have a hard time doing your dailies.

>>165797098
He could've done way worse to be honest
He could've played Aurelia first
Now that's retardation

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>>165797098

At first, I thought you were just railing on him for messing up order, then I saw the lurching.

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>>165797232

>>165797098
Could've hit the gobu into zombie ward, but other than that I don't see what else he could've done.

>>165797251
Why people keep saying this?

if is a shit lego, just vial it

No, they're never going to be good, stop being on denial
No, nobody is collecting them, thats why people ask if its worth vialing them

>>165797030
Pay money and buy packs until you get 3 animated JO crystals.

>>165797098
Every deck get tilted when they see khawy

>>165797365
B-but Skullfane looks cool ;_;

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>>165796787

>>165797365
What do you gain from vials you have zero need for at the moment? Even if it's a low risk move there's literally zero gain.

>>165797343

then he blitz lancers into the lurching, and THEN uses amelia, or simply held onto her for a better chance.

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>>165797098
>>165797232
>>165797279

>trade goblin into the zombie
>kill off feena
>blitz the lurching

That should be the best situation, given the possible plays.

Still got a lot of stupid shit who cannot deal with Khawy or Reaper in AA.

>>165797343

he wouldn't have received aurelia immunity if he did that

>>165797232
>sacrifices the gobu for no reason when he could have killed the zombie
>plays aurelia into lurching corpse
>plays blitz to kill the zombie he forgot to kill

>>165797343
if he did that he could have also used the blitz lancer to kill the lurching corpse. then he could do whatever he wants

>>165797098
That's what happens when people have to go up against a targeted removal heal ward 4/5 for 7 mana atleast add a necromancy cost to the heal Jesus Christ.

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Post bestgirls you wish you could afford to include in your deck

>>165797098
>>165797343
>>165797232
trade gobu into 2/1 ward
trade feena into khawy
summon blitz, trade blitz into lurching
summon aurelia, forfeit the ST spell protection because 2 mobs only

>>165797458
When people ask for vialing cards, 99% of the time is because they are going to use the vials after that

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>>165797153
Why does she dress like this?

it doesn't matter, even unga bunga can't deal with it anymore, fucking retarded rng retardation of card

>>165797098

> www(dot)fraps(com)

I only see one retard here.

Protip: it's not the sword player.

>>165797536
aurelia immunity doesn't help much when there's a lurching corpse on the field

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I wanna jam it into Isabelle's dirt rune!

>gook release
finally the superior language voices will be here

>>165797056
Gonna call it in at 5/20 for now, will tune in sometime later this week. Thanks to everyone who played for being so helpful, /svg/ is great.

>>165797153
I thought that was the appeal.

>>165797098
Not hitting the zombie first was pretty bad, but thats nowhere near the worst play I've seen today.

>>165797673
>that elena draft in t2

>>165797652
shh don't tell anybody

too lazy to find decent recording software

>>165797594
Says fucking who? Maybe they want to get one Aurelia or whatever that they plan to use in the future but can't do anything atm with?

>>165797098
>fraps watermark
muh dick

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>>165797506

>I evo my bone chimera to make him a imitating target and to trade for board
>drop reaper
>they play pompous and pull vanguard, evo the vanguard to kill the chimera.

It's like they WANT the reaper to spin out of control. Sometimes I'd think it's better to not have a field that shadow can react to. It's not fun having to willingly take damage, but damn son, it's better than staring at your board being traded out and they have a 5/5 reaper on field along with any other followers they played from hand.

>>165797554
Wow, how did she get a figurine?

And how come some clearly unique characters have generic names? Like Feena's loli lover is just called Goblin Mage even though it seems to be a specific character, and not just a generic class?

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>>165797765
>t2
No, this was a normal ranked match. A ranked match at C0, but still. She actually had three elenas over the course of the match, but one got destroyed and another got turned into a clay golem

>>165797876
for example, the guy who asked for vialing skulfane, immediatly said he wanted the vials to finish an aggro blood deck

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>>165796885
dust it

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Curing cancer one runefag at a time.

>>165797916
DoD bait maybe?

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>>165796842
We have grown too intelligent to use Elana's Prayer

>>165798179
>Haventumors

Is there a better feeling than seeing your opponent deck themselves?

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>>165797964
No clue, I didn't even know she had a figurine until yesterday. I'd be tempted to try for it, except any sales listings seem to always be either out of stock or some sort of knockoff paint-it-yourself model.

I guess they did a set of them sometime in 2013 for Rage of Bahamut; there's Olivia, Cerberus, and Dark General if you look around, but I couldn't manage to find any others.

do I run any non last ward followers in nep deck?

>>165798179
(You)

>>165798008
He said "craft cards for" not "finishing an". For all we know that could mean crafting 3 Vanias with none of the rest of the cards.

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>5/6 games i lost today were lost because khawy hit my ward
this is how it feels to get snipped by may right ?

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>>165798179

>>165797916

>follower the class
>thinking

The best they can do is probably drop some wards to hinder the reaper.

I have come across some that literally ignored the reaper only to find it growing into absurdres proportion.

>>165798250

After slapping you off 5-6 damage, that DoD is not much when he will be passing priority back to you for a Howl or other crazy thing.

>>165797153
Where is this from?

>>165798250

Didn't see it during that match.

Besides, that's not a move you want to plan on doing if you're going to have an empty board when your opponent stands to do even more damage with everything else

>>165798162
>that list
How's d3?

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This is disgusting.

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>>165797624
>>165797751
Elana is PURE.

She just wants to give strength to people so they can carry on

>>165798519
>She just wants to give strength to people so they can carry on
Through sex

>>165798162

>Atomy

Discarded.

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>go first
>draw 1 mob at 2 PP

Is there a more frustrating sequence of events_

>>165798519
And she knows just the way to get everyone's morale up.

>>165798513
Its fine because anyone has to evolve before it becomes 1 cost :^)

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>>165798513
That's not even close to being disgusting.

>>165797964
How come a named important character like Yurius is a bronze?
How come a generic job name like Beast Dominator or Queen Vampire is a legendary?

>>165798719
that's what you get for playing shit meme decks

>>165798769
because hes just a shitty duke.

>>165798719
>Spartoi Sergeant
>both Pact and Deathbrand in the same deck
>2 (two) || Mordecais in hand

You're not Nepping well enough

>>165798719
>0/7pp
>khawy on hand
You can only have yourself to blame

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How would you balance this semen slurper?

Personally i would make her spellboost the other cards 3 times and lower her attack / defense to 4

>>165799013
She's balanced though?

>>165798673
Yes.
>you draw 1 PP play on turn 2
>you have 2 PP play on hand already

>>165799013
Daria is fine. The real cancer is Levi/Piercing Rune. If those cards get the nerfs they deserve she'd be fine.

>>165799013
Minus the spellboost 5 times, minus the banish hand, so I can have her in my ptp decks.

>>165797098
He fucked up by not attacking the zombie first, but that's nowhere near 'guy concedes when he actually had lethal' tier.

>>165799013
+2 cost would make her take til turn 6 or 7 to come out on avg instead of turn 4 or 5 like now. prevents the blow outs but retains the utility and cycle needed to make the deck function. piercing rune would not retain the cost reduction. would function like witchbolt and need evolved in play so no levi evolve do nothing and wiat for cards to be played to cast the 1 cost rune. and levi should be 3/3 evo.

>>165799013
I'd make her a 4/4 and see how that goes and make ut so it only spellboosts that hand 4 times, see how that goes.

Mainly so they cant vomit 2 oglers and a 7/7 daria on turn 4

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>control shadow vs haven
>he plays all 6 of his banishes in the first 10 turns
>finally get to play mordecai
>odin

Reminder that the people crying about Levi were the same shitters crying about Elana.

Glad /svg/ doesn't balance any games desu

>>165799324
all seraph run odin for mirror. your shit class getting fucked is just a bonus.

>>165799351
This, I swear some people just don't understand that there are more ways to balance things than crippling nerfs.

I for one blame league of legends for this dogshit mindset catching on

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>>165799476

but cygames did use crippling nerfs.

Just not in a direct manner. I honestly doubt if there's a way for her to be viable again.

>>165799335
Levi needs to be a 3 cost card.

>>165799476

It becomes clear that Cygames acts just like Blizzard by giving the "underdogs" broken shits.

Aria was considered the most broken shit back then, and lo, it is now considered too slow.

>>165799476
At least it better than Dota 2

>Create a post to complain about one hero in reddit
>Get high upboats
>Valve will release patch a week later.

>>165799859
more like 5 cost, so you can't play him turn 4.

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Beautiful, powerful and cute to butt!

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>>165799779
I still love her

>>165799905
>implying icefrog gives a shit

>>165799905
For real? holy shit

>>165799476
>I swear some people just don't understand that there are more ways to balance things than crippling nerfs.
i understand very well that there are more subtle ways to balance the game but fundamentally i reject the idea that tempo rune has a right to exist
cost reduction is a garbage mechanic and it shouldn't be part of a viable deck

>>165799096
>Daria
>balanced

>Free hand
>Nearly free summon
>Free spells
>Free followers
>+2/+2
>Balanced
>Balanced
>Balanced
>Balanced

>>165799013
Personally I would only let her draw cards equal to the number of cards banished and only gain +1/+1 for evolving her. If this unfun overbuffed piece of shit class isn't nerfed within the next few weeks I'm fucking out.

>>165799859
I feel like the only way to nerf Levi is by making him completly useless.

>>165799905
Dota 2 literally turned into LoL with 7.00

No splitpush, no pickoff, just 5on5 now

>>165799013
Nerf Levi to +1/+1 on evo and his fireball now only does 2 damage.

Piercing Rune only gets -1 cost per evo.

Daria +2PP, spellboost lowered to 4, new hand cannot include another Daria.

The deck wouldn't be totally dead, but it would be slowed enough that it wouldn't be tier 1 cancer status anymore.

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>>165800095

>>165799859
Just like Aria needs to be a 3 cost with 4 cd and Elana a 5 drop right? I'm having a serious case of deja vu.

>>165800149

>new hand cannot include another Daria

You realize that's not happening right?

>>165800189
Otohime's bodyguards need to be 1/1 yet also need ward

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??????????

>>165798976
He's on equal footing with Albert, you can even see them fighting over who gets to take Vampy's virginity in one of the pictures

Can Anyone help me with my private matches? I still need a ton!
25415

Gentlemen how do we make ramping faster

>>165800090
>oww someone got a perfect daria hand against me it surely happens like this 100% of the time
please keep me informed on your personal experiences they're so interesting

Whats the maximum gold you can have?

I have around 4800 saved up since i barely spend em .

>>165800149
nah just make levi +1/+1 on evo and it is fine

part of me is wondering what they were thinking when they made piercing rune. The only turn 4-5 evo that was ever used by rune was merlin and levi. Where they trying to phase levi out in some twisted way or did they really think rune needed more power on evo turns?

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>>165800324

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Is /svg/ a comfy general?

>>165800419
Give dragon an on-curve follow-up to Oracle

>>165800495
Maybe 2 months ago

>>165799013
Keep the same but make 4/4. Also make Piercing Rune only 2 cost after evolve. I can accept a bunch of gazers coming out since it doesn't happen all the time, but just putting out a 5/5 on turn 5 along with something else is one of the best moves in the game. Making her 4/4 will make her nearly the same as Aria but less consistent. Make Clark 2/2 too because he's fucking stupid.

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>>165800429

Not him, but le bricking Daria is a meme. All those losses are pretty much with them curving into Daria after dumping their whole hand.

>>165800458
STANDING HERE

>>165800324
>>165800458
The Yurius representation we got in this game is Yurius right before he betrays the Sky Knights and seizes power for himself.

I think we will get another Yurius card in the future.

Why dont people play Otohime anymore?

>>165800495
too much whining shitters since RoB

>>165800342
Please! At least 1 concede for my daily!

25415

>>165799941
They will pay.
give it some time.

>Remove otohime from the game
>Sword mains go super sanic
>aggro everywhere
>games start you at 10 hp because of Albert

Healthy meta.

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>>165800561
I wonder was /svg/ like at pre-steam release.

>>165800652
Too slow and gets cleared very easily

>>165800671
I can concede and then do another one to help you with your 20 private games.

>>165800652
aoe removals

>>165800769
dead

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>>165800652

Apart from a crappton of answers existing now, it's honestly just a weak play that doesn't offer aggression or defense given how fast paced this game's gotten.

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>>165800605
100% winrate against Dragon

>>165800652
It's too slow
More removals in RoB
Lol Yulius

>>165800805
Thank you!

>>165800429
>t. rune player

The only reason I'm mad as fuck is that it does happen 100% of the time. Bahamut made this game unfun and broken with just 1 class.

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>>165800528
But they already have that

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HEAR

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>>165800964
Hey, there are at least 3 unfun and broken classes right now.

>tfw no unicorn dancer Unica to feed my big throbbing baguette to

>>165801014
DELET THIS

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>>165801014
>vs shadow: 37.3%

>>165800419
Would one of those "Gain more PP for this turn only" cards like Hearthstone has be out of the question?

>>165801234
Sounds about right

t. fortecraft player

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>>165801014

>Now that Luna finally got to hang out with the meta kids she bullies Rowen the hardest out of all them.

Poor Luna, she's just a victim of peer pressure.

>>165799424
If you run odin in your seraph deck, you are actually retarded.

>>165800437
My take is that as a primarily mobile game still, they wanted to push this new style of Rune hard to speed up Rune matches; even if it turned out OP.

>>165801354
How come no one runs Execution? It's 3pp cheaper than Odin.

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Have two of these ancient frog deities, what do I make?

>>165801458
It doesn't banish, it destroys unlike Odin so Morde and Seraph(which actually helps your opponent) aren't really affected.

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>>165801014
>NepNep dominating Rowen this hard

he deserves this

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>>165798976
He gets over that with the power of Friendship.

>>165801458
Odin banishes, Execution destroys. Destroying countdown amulets triggers them, banishing them does not.

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>>165801458

Because it doesn't put the dead down.

>>165800437
They made Piercing Rune 1 cost so it'd be useful for both DS and Aggro.

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>>165800994

how many gobu do i run in aggro blood

>>165801650
Three fiddy, gobu

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Havenfags are the most intelligent players on the planet

How kripp manage to spend 5 hours playing HS and SV?

SV is cool but card games are not that interesting if you don't care about deckbuilding.

>>165801234
>>165801345
Switched to Seraph and never looked back. This meta is cancer.

>>165801784
Not as smart as Roach

have a bunch of vials to waste on something and already have control blood. anyone have a tested control sword list?

>>165801508
A meme deck better than anything that dragon can do.

>>165801921
just craft all the legos and put them in

>>165801828
Burgcoins

>>165801828
he cares about deckbuilding. I also have fun grinding ladder for hours because each game is a little bit different.

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>>165801784

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>>165801014
STOP

76405
concede pls

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>>165801957
But that's not better than Flute Dragon

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So you guys were right about Aggro Shadow.

But then you guys were wrong about Sword. Again.

Compiled Meta Analytics from January 09 ~ 15.

>>165802067
I saw a guy try this combined with Wyrm Spire. He got both pieces out and still lost.

>>165802067
I-is this legit?

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>>165802283
I-is d-discard legit?

>win 200 ranked matches
>30 jewgold

>win 5 ranked matches as any class
>20 jew gold

>win 50 take 2
>200 jew gold

wtf is with these rewards. the scale and reward is way off.

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>>165802228
Luna is meta now!
Good job Luna.

>>165801921
just use ソー's list from this weekend
1 bahamut, 3 frontguard, 3 alwida's, 2 tsubaki, 2 cyclone, 3 albert, 2 monika, 3 aurelia, 2 amelia, 2 jeno, 3 blitz, 3 novice trooper, 3 whole-souled, 3 maid leader, 3 veteran lancer, 2 unico

>>165802228
>Gamepress
moa

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New shadoba channeru when?

>>165802228
Nice Aggroblood is t2 again in memelists .all the tards will move to tier1 decks like smort boys again.

>>165802228
>agro shadow
>strong

are we playing the same game?

>>165802228
>Dragons only tier 2 deck dropped to meme tier
>Forest has one viable deck left
>Nep is probably going to drop out eventually as well
What a diverse and exciting meta.

>>165799476
Some people just don't understand that sometimes nerfing is actually necessary. Like when you're dealing with something that turns out so strong that it powercreeps everything before it. If you just try to balance tempo rune by waiting until next expansion so you can give other classes better stuff to compete for board control, you'd also be making a huge portion of standard and DE cards irrelevant, ruining any of the fun variety that could come with having multiple sets of viable cards to build from.

Devs need to stop being so fucking afraid of nerfs. Even if they accidentally nerfed tempo rune so hard that no one ever plays it again, it's still fucking worth it for getting back all the decks that got pushed out due to not being able to deal with tempo rune.

>>165802228
>facesword
>tier 1

Which D rank shitter wrote this?

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>>165802228
>Tier X

>>165802790
Yeah De was really fun with.
>quickblade
>lancer
>random 3 drop
>floral
>saber
>otohime
>sage
>any shit

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>>165802742

Look at this screenshot and tell me which poison you would like to take. Turn 5 cerb into howl, or turn 5 Windgod of Oraora?

>>165802867
Tier 10 really shit.

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What the fuck is the point of Dragoncraft? This class is a goddamn joke and it's not funny.

>>165802742
Evidently not. I mean the proof is in the numbers and has been for weeks (months if you count the last couple of DE) and you're still in full fucking denial.

>>165802228
i guess that explains why AA1 was so easy with aggro sword
and why i felt dirty playing it

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>>165802742

>reapers
>11 damage from hand
>no longer dealing with hag infestation
>meta decks like daria don't run wards.

>>165802890
>sage
>any shit
But you're already dead kid

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>>165802228
i knew luna could do it!

>>165803052
Post dick

>>165802228
Huh... W-what's the best aggro sword deck atm?
Asking for a friend obviously

>>165803034
Stop avatarfagging.

>>165802228
Why aggro is so good in ladder?

>>165803034
fuck off

>>165803281
Because this game is braindead

>>165802890
t. Runecuck

>>165803281

>little to no ward for first few turns
>sword got its ass kicked out from meta

Pretty much this.

>>165803381
You have some type
cuck fetish?

>>165803281
because even if it loses, the games last 5minutes maximum always allowing agro to climb faster than anything else.

>>165802228
>gamepress
Their "analysis" is just looking at shadowlog stats and taking everything at face value with no kind of skepticism, and then writing up some bullshit to explain the numbers in a way that makes it sound like they have a complete grasp of every interaction that goes on in every matchup.

>>165803281
>why is aggro good in a card game where you can't play anything on the opponent's turn and only certain creatures can block?

I hope you guys aren't retarded enough to believe aggro shadow and sword are somehow better than aggroblood.

>>165803742
fuck off

Daria would be nerfed if they didnt go second vs me every single fucking game.

Could I get a concede?
63774

>>165803281
Because playing wards is pointless since they die in one hit specially if you go second and the other dude has something already on the board

I still have hopes the next expansion will introduce more shit to balance it more but i doubt it

i mean look at albert/daria/bahamut its just ridiculous

>>165802809
>implying Daria does that

Elana was more of a nightmare in DE than Daria is now, and yet here we are post-RoB and Elana is still strong, but not the monster it was. Elana pushed some decks out of the meta as well, Shadow in particular, but here we are, one expac and zero nerfs later, and Shadow is at the top while Elana is still viable.

>Devs need to stop being so fucking afraid of nerfs.

Fuck no, and also fuck you and fuck everything you stand for. If you want a game that balances through nerfs then Hurtstone is right next door. These devs have done balancing just fine so far, they don't need to get any more nerf-happy. I'm not even a Daria player, but I don't wanna see the deck nerfed into oblivion just because it's finally a top-tier rune deck that isn't fuckin' Dshift. If the data comes out and they decide to tone down a card like they did for PtP Forest, that's fine, but don't think for a second it'd be good for them to just dumpster the entire archetype just because some people refuse to lose to it but also refuse to play the decks that counter it.

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>tfw no tier 0 meta

>>165803883
Everyone already teching against aggro blood so who cares

>got my third daira and date masamune in my pack
What deck does him fit in? I remember there's a face dragon list that uses 2 of him.

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>>165803883

I hope you aren't trying bait people away from aggro sword and aggro shadow because they're two decks that can matchup against bats.

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>>165803281
>play control
>hand bricks half the time
>20 minute matches in ranked
>auto lose against seraph and dshift once it becomes popular again (which it will)
>play midrange/tempo
>get out tempo'd by daria
aggro is just more consistent

>>165803950
As much as I hate Elana, it never had the play or win rates that Tempo Rune has right now

>that feel when too stupid to play roach

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Wow! I've been wanting vampire lykos!

>>165803883
You are right /svg/ source is always right.

Sword is ded and aggro shadow is horrible.

>>165803971
kys

Reminder to report and ignore the ban evading ESL.

>>165804064
seraph needs to be removed

>>165803883
Aggro Shadow has always been better than aggro Blood until now where the matchup is merely even at best.

>>165803425
this
with the current style of aggro, strong ward presence whups its ass, but the only classes that have the requisite density of wards are dirt rune, swordcraft, and sun haven - and those are mostly pretty bad as decks. Every other deck has, what, a goblinmount at most? Maybe a death's breath if they have the shadows for it? It's not really enough to stop aggro reliably

>>165803941
>Because playing wards is pointless since they die in one hit
every point of health on a ward is the equivalent of raw healing unless it gets DoD'd, and while healing below a certain threshold doesn't affect aggro's ability to kill you, meeting that threshold absolutely ends games just on the math involved

>>165803993
He's vials, just accept it. I have pulled from this fucking expansion:
3 Masamune
3 Lucius
3 Teena
3 Anne
3 Grea
3 Valhallan General
0 Fangblade
0 Sarissa
0 Amelia

At least I didn't get hit with Meme in the Sky. I should really stop pulling from this set, but the odds of getting shit golds/legends from Standard are even higher.

>>165804302
A lot of cards need to be removed or nerfed


>>165804390
no it doesn't. Non wards have good effects usually playing a ward unless its later into the game means you have passed the turn since it will either get killed and youll have no board control or they will trade and still retain control. Almost all early wards are trash that are better used in later stages to block some big dude storm damage

>>165801784
I wish she wasn't useless

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12122740

>>165804354
>Aggro Shadow has always been better than aggro Blood

D rank?

>>165804553
>they will trade and still retain control
what?
>block some big dude storm damage
What the fuck kind of "aggro" are you encountering in ladder?

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help me with a concede pls
50773

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New roach math

Hint: Feena is used to punch face

>>165804768
>Board is flooded
>Play ward
>ward gets killed by either trading or a spell
>same exact situation as before
You are taking it as if aggro couldn't do 30 damage by turn 7

>>165804696

Not him, but Shadow has better stated followers to fall back into in case they need to take on the defensive role. Not to mention the addition of Lyrial allowing them to ping off bats.

>>165804782
thank you guys!

>>165803950
Elana was never really a problem, it didn't make whole archetypes across multiple classes irrelevant. The shadow matchup goes for all haven decks, and is just a retarded design decision of core mechanics. Haven still shits on shadow for free, countering a whole class without having to tech for it. And if haven at any point becomes a popular class again, shadow will go back to struggling like it did before.

>If the data comes out and they decide to tone down a card like they did for PtP Forest, that's fine
Sounds like we agree in principle, then. No one actually wants to nerf anything into oblivion, but you seem very quickly to assume it whenever someone is talking about nerfs.

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bahamut in control blood is god-tier

Where were you when you obtained enlightenment and realized agro is the way of like in this game, and there is no reason to play anything else ever?

>>165804919

well, they always had Playful Necromancer to ping bats before Lyrial. Lyrial just serves as a powercreep to Playful Necromancer.

>>165805036
>>165805105
>lyrial

Why would you play that trash over playful necro?

>>165805105

Playful Necromancer is just too clunky for her cost. They will really need to make her a 3/4 that evolves into a 4/5 if they want her to see play again.

Lyrial on the other hand can be played as a 2-drop that deals 5 damage to the face upon evolution if they choose to ignore her.

>>165805092
>Where were you when you obtained enlightenment
In my bed chilling some time ago

>>165805092
b-but I like to play Ramp Dragon!

>>165804904
>You are taking it as if aggro couldn't do 30 damage by turn 7
Then play more than 10 health of wards by turn 7. That's what I'm saying. Aurelia frontguard gets there handily, which is why control sword would be a good counter if it weren't for Daria cucking it. Other classes have a much harder time getting there, which is why the aggro meta persists.

>Can't use emotes when the opponent concedes
Fuck you Cygames, let me have my fun

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This is the aggro/face sword I've been using.
Yet somehow I still fucking brick by drawing all three alberts and double alwida's by turn 3.
Maybe I should just add another DoD and forgeo alwida's.

>>165805305
Dude they hit your face and then you get nuked with claws vanias yurius etc

The only way of beating it is to have board control

>>165804891
Feena kills one
fairy kills 1 health
play and evolve gobbu to kill one
May
natures guidance
May
finish it off with fairy
roach
roach

>>165805235

Because you cannot play Playful Necromancer and reaper at the same time on turn 4. Or playing along with Dark Conjurer to throw out 2 bodies instead of 1.

>>165805048
No it isnt. It doesnt help you win any matchups the standard blood cards run. You are cutting consistency and a higher winrate in hopes they cant remove a 13/13 or overextend so badly you blow them out. You have cards and draw in the deck and can stagger threats and taunt walls to chip away and eventually use bloody mary combos and temptress cards to finish. Olivia would be a superior late game addition that would blow out control vs control and odins secure the seraph, shadow and idiots that run bahamut.

Its not a god tier card in that deck in anyway and is a dead draw vs the 2 matches you actually are trying to be favoured against with that deck. You made your deck worse against decks you are supposed to win against free.

>>165805235

Because Lyrial+Conjurer is in every sense of the idea, a better statted play that serves the exact same advantages that Playful does, except the two parts aren't bricks prior to evo wars.

>>165804064
>seraph
Just do what tournament decks do: Bring 3 Odins. And then have fun with even more bricking and even longer matches.

Man, you know the meta is fucked up when you can actually call aggro decks most consistent. Aggro should be anything but consistent. They're supposed to be for when you really need to go fast, winrate be damned.

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daily reminder that alucard is best boy

>>165804891
Faerie into 1 defence zombie
Drop Gobbu, evo and kill zombie
May, bounce her, May, hope for RNG to hit same zombie, finish with faerie
Zergling #1 into last zombie
Zergling #2 and Feena into face

Can be easily done without the May RNG if you do it like >>165805434 since you don't need Feena to hit face to do 11.

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>control shadow vs pure elana
>get him within lethal range 5 times but he always finds an answer
>mordecais decide to sit at the bottom of my deck
>cerberus is also nowhere to be found
>eventually win by them running out of cards
what a deck

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>>165805235
Because Playful Necro fucking sucks. I hate that shitty ass card, hell I hate Shadowcraft's 4 drops in general.

>>165805036
>No one actually wants to nerf anything into oblivion
speak for yourself, asshole
i'd be fine with a minor nerf, hell I'd be fine with no nerf because the deck does have counters, but I'd be fucking overjoyed - with a corresponding crystal purchase - if cygames completely eviscerated tempo rune, ignoring the tears of butthurt shitters who get triggered by traumatic flashbacks to mobas. Spellboost reducing cost is barely tolerable on destroyer+dshift, it's infuriating to see it as a staple mechanic for the most popular class in the game.

>>165805485
I disagree. Teching one Bahamut isn't going to kill a deck. Having one bahamut doesn't take away all of the things you listed.

>>165805743
agreed, they should buff earth rite more instead.

I can tell they tried to make earth rite more consistent with dwarf alchemist + urd, but why would anyone even bother when you can just play daria and win by turn 5/6 consistently?

>>165805658
I fucking hate going against this type of Haven. They won't let me kill them for 20 turns but they can't kill me either.

>turn 5
>Levi double piercing rune fireball to the face
>Rune player realizes this is unranked and I'm doing dailies
>concedes

Wow, and I thought only robots play this game.

>>165805895
>dwarf alchemist + urd

What?

>>165805901
i mean it's better than fighting seraph and not drawing odin, because i didn't draw him in those 27 cards either

>>165804891
Gobu + Evo into a 2/3 zombie
Two fairies into a 2/3 zombie so it gets to 2/1
Fairy Circle -> Fairy -> Roach into the remaining 2/3
May -> Nature's -> May for full clear
Feena and Roach to face

>>165804891

trade both fairy into 1 2/3 zombie
feena kill one
gobu evo kill one

Gobu > may(kill 2/1) > bounce > may(kill 2/1) > roach(5) > roach(6)

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>>165803993

>>165805235
all the cards that have more attack than defense are shit
prove me wrong

>>165805956
earth rite generator, also evolving dwarf alchemist to pull a pertrification/taboo/calamity has saved my ass plenty of times.

>>165806070
blood wolf, odin, forte

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>>165806058
>22 2-costs

Can I get the bullet points on how to play Dshift?

>>165806126
What does Urd have to do with that?

>>165806169

Breath of the salamander, and emissary technically don't count.

>>165806070
That don't have storm or not Odin?
:thinking:

>>165806182
jerk off for 7-10 turns and then play the card that wins the game

>>165806058

>Face Dragon
>Bellringer, unica

What is this

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>>165806070

Hoppity hop.

>>165806182
drink bleach

>>165806182
solitaire comes preinstalled in windows

>>165804891
>>165805597
this one, if you use roach after the first may to hit full hp zombie, that will fix rng

>>165806283
I want to bounce this rabbit girl on my dick!

>>165806070
>Blood Wolf
>Rabbit Necromancer
>Pompous Princess
>Tsubaki
>Merlin
>and on and on and on

you're proven wrong

>>165804891
Send 1 fairy into 1 hp zombie
drop may
evolve may into 3 hp zombie
nature's may
drop 3 damage roach into 3hp zombie
drop may
send 1 fairy into last 1 hp zombie
drop gobu
drop roach
face feena and roach

>>165806261
White Paladin
Tsubaki
Merlin

>>165806198
>play DAlch, get earth rite
>play Urd, destroy Dalch, return Dalch to play
>get another earth rite

Helps keep you from bricking, and lets you always have earth rite up for activators.

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After god knows how many 4-1's, I finally got my first 5-0.

Dragonclaw carried so hard.

>>165801234
I have to run x3 Odin just for Nep and Seraph fags.

>>165806443
So.. you're saying that you're using Urd to activate a fanfare effect?

>>165805550
>Man, you know the meta is fucked up when you can actually call aggro decks most consistent. Aggro should be anything but consistent.
What? Aggro decks output the most consistent performance in the game, which has always been the case. Control runs more powerful individual cards and its performance is therefore more subject to draw RNG dictating where in the deck those cards are buried. Aggro, as a collection of mostly interchangeable cards distinguished primarily by their position on the aggressive mana curve, maintains the same gameplan across more varied sets of draw luck. Aggro decks give up card quality to gain tempo and for the same reason have lower variance in card quality / draw RNG.
If controlcucks are under the deluded impression that their archetype is supposed to be consistent, that would explain why they get so salty about their losses when expectations crash into reality

>>165806443
Are you seriously playing fucking Urd in earthrite for that shitty gimmick or you're just D rank?

>>165806269
>>165806287
>>165806301

Rude

>>165806169
>>165806274

This is Fortecraft. Not Face Dragon.

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is this control blood list ladder viable? it's from one of the recent tournaments. (the list on the right, obviously)

>>165806443
what is this retardation?

>>165806560
Yep, you got it.

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>>165806443
LMAOOOO

>>165799013
How to fix Tempo Rune

Option A: +1 cost to Daria
Option B: Piercing Rune is now spellboost rather than changed to one from Evolve
Option C: Levi is now 3 cost but Crimson Sorcery is 0 cost

>>165806742
>>165806560
He probably meant urding evolved dwarf and evolve him again to tutor earthrite. It's still retarded though.

>>165805036
Yeah, I guess we're on the same page here. In my experience I feel like Daria is weaker than Elana and at about the same playrate, but again, if the stats hit PtP-Forest tier then some small nerf to a single card will be a necessary evil to keep it in check.

Sorry for the assumption, but frankly it's warranted, especially on here. Whenever a post goes around about what nerfs people think would be useful, they're almost always the sort of thing that would just delete the deck from the game altogether, rather than keeping it useful while decreasing its dominance. And speak of the devil, here comes >>165805743 wanting to do exactly what I hate. This is the kind of shit I'm going against, not you and your realistic expectation for a nerf to be issued when no other option remains.

Need a non-concede game, come get your private win.
76438

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>>165806850

>further powercreeping Disaster Witch

Haha, fuck you

>play unranked to finsh a quest real fast
>daria and aggro blood everyhwere

are they actually autistic?

>>165806675
https://twitter.com/Shinkey_sv/status/821125601180291072

This guy played a very similar deck at 7k MP yesterday, VOD included.

>>165806850
Option D: Play agro blood

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>Yurius
>Yurias

I thought they were the same character for a while

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Again, you would think Master players would know to not ignore Mushu by now.

>>165806182
desu mulligan correctly and then the cards will tell you how to play as you draw them
mull for cheap cards as usual, golem and draw sources (e.g. fate's hand) are especially important going first, merlin is fine if you're going second and have earlygame plays, kaleidoscopic is good iff you suspect the opponent will have an early game, you can keep a dshift if you want but that's a bit balls-to-the-wall unless you're in the mirror, there are matchup specific mulls like angelic snipe against elf if you're going second
at least that's what archive says, i'm not a dshift player

>>165806850
>Option C: Levi is now 3 cost but Crimson Sorcery is 0 cost

What does this change even fix?

>>165807021
they also wanted to finish a quest real fast

>>165806182
as long as you can follow the flowchart of
removal > card draw > combo
for your turns, you will do fine.
D Shift is not as hard to play as its players make it out.

>>165807024
thats a very brick friendly deck

>>165806850
Make him a fucking 3/3 on evolve and make Piercing Rune go back to 4 cost if you don't have an evolved follower in play.

That's all you need.

>>165806850
How to fix tempo rune
Stop giving all cards SPELL BOOST AND DRAW
Daria spellsboost only 1 card 5 times
the rest 2
daria can't draw more cards than what you have in your hand

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>lost every match today when I'm just trying to do dailies
>discovered what is possibly one of my favorite doujins ever, if not my GOAT then at least top 3
gotta take the bad with the good

>>165806585
Aggro decks require near to none decision making, leaving you very little room to influence whether you win or lose. You just play shit on curve and hope your opponent isn't able to withstand. If a deck like that turns out to do better on average than a deck that requires careful piloting, I feel they've fucked up on some basic game design principles.