/domg/ - Dominions General

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First for cute skeletons

Second for should have let the previous thread get further down the page list first.

Third for at least weeb poster chose a mildly dom4-related pic.

>>165431813
He still didn't change the last
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line. What a dumb fag.

ded already.

>>165434242
maybe you'd like to be ded, huh, fuccboi?

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>no turns

NEW GAME WHEN

http://www.strawpoll.me/12096378 >>165436223

>>165436223
I would host vanilla MA game if llama had a way to ban some nations.

>>165436637
Just ban "some nations" manually

>>165436637
>summod
>graphs off
>kick anyone who enters those nations
>or stop being a fag and accept they'll get gangbanged

>>165436637
Cancer nations?

>>165436637
just ban Aspoodle and Ermor, everything else is alright

>>165436881
>ban a nation with 4% win rate
Sometimes you scrub piss me off so fucking much.

>>165436950
>win rate is the only thing that matters
popkill nations are annoying to fight because the land you take is worthless to everyone, so they aren't fun.

>>165437104
Go back to your desura safe space where big bad skeletons can't hurt you then, fucking commie.

>>165437282
t. someone who only plays Ermor because he doesn't know how the game works and heard they were strong

>>165437314
I can point you to my 79% win rate on the spreadsheet.

Can you do the same?

Thought so, kid.

>>165437314
First of all, Ermor is a strong nation, whether you use tribless cheese or not. Even in summod. On big meme maps ESPECIALLY in summod.

Second, Ermor requires as much skill to play against experienced players as any other nation. We don't count rushing noobs with skeleton scouting parties as a legitimate strategy. We also don't count player morale checks because they happen even without cancer nations.

t. 7 wins as Ermor

I just want a MA game where people end up playing nations like Mictlan and Machaka, instead of Yet More Jotunheim.

>>165437483
>Second, Ermor requires as much skill to play against experienced players as any other nation. We don't count rushing noobs with skeleton scouting parties as a legitimate strategy.
Why not? It's what happens in the majority of ermor games.

>We also don't count player morale checks because they happen even without cancer nations.
They happen a ton more when fighting cancer nations.

Dealing with zero-population provinces, constant skeleton attacks on everything, and possibly BoT is awful. It's a constant meatgrinder, where you need to win fights near-perfectly repeatedly or get worn down by infinite chaff.

>>165438013
I'd play MA Machaka if they made sense. Spiders really aren't that big of an African thing

>>165438110
Anansi the spider god is one of their most famous gods. Hes so famous that hes the only one I know about.

>>165437483
>>165437354
ok internet tough guys

>>165438108
BoT is severely overrated.

>>165438013
Vanilla Machaka and Mictlan are both pretty awful, you know.

>>165438174
Only of West Africa. Africa's huge, with so many different tribes that Machaka could easily be one of the most interesting nations in the game. Instead we've got an interesting (but bad) EA, and a literally what (but OK) MA

>>165438219
Ermor is plenty annoying without BoT.

BoT is just an extra serving of nuisance on top of everything else you have to deal with.

>>165438286
Well they dont have to cover all of African mythology at once.

>>165438219
BoT is annoying. It adds to the annoyance of fighting Ermor. Foul Air and Utterdark are both globals that won't affect Ermor at all but increase the shittiness of fighting them, while actually affecting the game.

>>165438286
>Instead we've got an interesting (but bad) EA, and a literally what (but OK) MA
Hold up, are you saying EA Machaka is worse than MA?

>>165438108
I don't understand how any half-decent player can consider "infinite chaff" a threat past early-mid-game.

Skellingtons don't even help to defend forts like Lemurean ghosts, and you can use literally any battlefield clear against them.

>>165438436
Didn't you say that Ermor was strong?

>>165437483
>t. 7 wins as Ermor
>scrubs ignored me and then quit at the first sign of trouble so I'll count it as a win
Try playing against good players.
Most people just quit, not because Ermor is strong, but because they are not fun to play against (starvation everywhere, no gain from conquering anything, most tedious sieges ever).

I'd rather quit a game than having to fight a mid-sized Ermor all by myself. I could be having fun playing another game against regular nations instead.

>>165436698
I am really just nostalgic of vanilla. I guess I will have to suffer through process of menial kicking erumor.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaSecks

>>165438219
t. Ermor

>>165438436
>you can use literally any battlefield clear against them.
Good luck doing that on every province you own which borders ermor

Because Ermor just attacked them with raiding parties. All of them.

And he's doing it again next turn.

>>165438552
>Urraparound

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>>165438468
Ermor is strong, and infinite chaff is not its strongest feature. Asphodel has infinite chaff and they have 4% win rate while Ermor has 25%.

>>165438498
>Try playing against good players.
>Most people just quit

>>165438615
>all neighbours of Ermor just gank up on him early in the game
>game continues as normal
It's only when retards for some reason don't instantly attack Ermor when the quitting begins.

>>165438552
m8

>>165438615
>Ermor is strong, and infinite chaff is not its strongest feature.
So do you only play it with Growth 3, or as a disciple?

>>165438606
>Abysia
Literally firestorm everything with 0 losses.

>Ulm or Agartha
EQ/magma eruption clears all the shit instantly.

>S nations
Solar Fires/Magic Duels takes care of the super pricy mages and chaff.

>high H nations
Banishment communions.

The list goes on. The fact that you're crying over skeleton scouting party raiding means that you probably can't counter raids by other nations like elves or birds as well, and it can be much more annoying.

>>165438760
Carlix is actually playing MA Ermor as a disciple for F U N and innovativeness.

I mostly played Ermor with rainbow pretenders. 6 out of 7 wins were with master liches/lich queens, and only 1 was from tribless cheese.

>>165438869
Adding to that, I considered MA Ermor disciple as well. I mostly played Ermor as a mage nation with rainbow pretender anyway, and you can still setup lictor factories for some bless build even without freespawn. That would of course handicap you, but I don't think it's impossible to win with a build like this. Dusk Elders alone are worth it.

>love playing a nation
>are extremely shit at playing it
What's her name, /domg/?

>>165440083
TNN.

Because it's a shit nation.

>>165440083
Every nation.

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Is this okay for an MA Marignon pretender?

>>165440083
EA Yomi

>>165438615
>Asphodel has infinite chaff
With the same dominion, and ideal scales (growth3, magic3), Asphodel gets around 1/7 of the chaff ermor does. Combined with the fact that asphodel wants to limit their dominion spread to make use of their other strengths, they end up with far fewer chaff to throw around than ermor.

If Asphodel did get as much chaff as ermor, they'd instantly jump to being the strongest MA nation.

>>165438869
The problem isn't beating a single ermor raiding party without losses, it's beating EVERY ermor raiding party without losses. Because Ermor gets so many free chaff, any loss for you is a major win for him.

Even just burning through your gems would be great for ermor, since then you have no gems to fight his actual troops.

>probably can't counter raids by other nations like elves or birds as well, and it can be much more annoying.
Birds and elves need to commit valuable resources to raiding. Ermor does not.

If you manage to kill a bird squad or an elf thug, it takes time and gold/gems for your enemy to bring out a replacement. If ermor loses half a dozen raiding parties, he probably won't even see his army size graph drop.

>>165440746
You want pretender with either disease healer, or capable of crafting disease healing items. All your mages are superold and they will die of aids otherwise.

>>165441073
That's what Growth 3 is mostly for.
What would you suggest?

>>165441019
I forgot to mention, Asphodel also doesn't get free commanders, which is another factor making raiding more expensive.

>>165441219
I would suggest not playing MA Mari.

>>165441401
My last game is like half a year ago and I'm rusty.
Also I have the habit of playing overy-complicated meme nations, do I'd like to play something straightforward (if this was EA, I'd be playing Niefelheim).

>>165441507
You can go for a dormant sneklady with disease healer then.

>>165438248
Yes, I know, I know. But I feel like, if they were played in a game with other weak nations - Shinuyama, Man, etc. - we might get a chance to actually see what few things they can do, so we have a bit more of an idea of how to improve them.

>>165440083
Why do you assume everyone likes a weak nation!? Do you think we can't make sensible decisions about what to play!?

...no, okay, I admit it, I like LA Pythium.

Jesus, how does EA Niefelheim get any sort of infrastructure up with how gold-starved they are?

>>165443290
Order 3 Growth 3, obviously.

>>165443290
skip some sacreds to get forts, senpai!

it's worth.

>>165443290
Be willing to sacrifice a couple of turns of mage recruitment. You can catch up, and your sacreds mean you're not as dependent on early battlemagic.

>>165438869
Stop counting your erfsneking win.

>>165444406
pls

it was an imprisoned E4 erfsnek and I still won, cut me some slack

>>165443290
recruit indie researchers instead of gygjas; use gygjas for site searching, blood searching (with good paths), forging and summoning revenants to take over research from them
when you have enough indie researchers/revenants stop recruiting gygjas entirely in favour of best STR (ie. Niefel Jarls on cap)

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DO YOUR TURNS

Join the game http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaSecks
No Ermors allowed.

>>165443484
Not enough.

>>165443559
>>165443752
>>165445142
I guess the only way is to accept that your research is going to be godawful.
Not a problem till midgame I guess, but I guess you become a pushover by then unless 2big.

>>165446317
>MA
I don't wanna. Nothing I want to play in there.

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What did he mean by that?

>>165446317
I hate how every Dominions map has a single sea. It basically forces underwater nations to make each other their #1 target, and encourages them to go for a very early-game focus, to not die to others who do so. I get that for e.g. LA, having multiple oceans would be a bit of a waste, but MA has a lot of actually-interesting UW nations these days.

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>fomorian capital is in a mountain AND forest province

>>165447736
To elaborate:

MA has a lot of potential for interesting water-land interactions, with Atlantis, Pelagia and Ys all having coastal-recruits that are quite important to their long-term abilities, R'lyeh and Oceania being perfectly capable on land, and Xibalba actually wanting to go UW, because it can exploit those provinces almost as well as regular land ones.

Unfortunately, all of this is completely binned, because standard Dominions map design dictates that all water provinces be connected, so a land power has little to no way of dislodging a water nation before the end game, and water nations have to be scared shitless of each other if they try to take a break from the UW fighting in order to secure a couple of coastal provinces. And it sucks.

>>165447736
Personally I like 1 giant connected sea - but ideally it would have some major choke points, so it would look more like 2 lakes connected by only a single water province.

Would still enable UW only fights, but it would be far less enticing.

>>165436223
>>165436409
I'm in for EA

New summod this weekend.

>>165448885
Hexawyr has two different lakes, and starting in the small one gave me the safety I needed to win.
It was fun.

I'd vote for more maps with more than one lake.

>>165450851
carlix please

>>165451319
:3

Warhammer 40k mod when?

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Was this also your experience??

>>165453968
No.

>>165450851
I've been trying to make more - Today_Local_Domg_Man's using the one I made at the moment - but while I hope that I managed to achieve something resembling an interesting map for gameplay, it's no secret that the visual product looks like shit. We need to get more people who can do art into making maps.

Summod you better not fuck up leech

>>165455781
My biggest fear is the poploss on vamp lords with nothing being given back to Sauro and Hinnom on nearly the same level - 2 nations that already aren't that good.

In Hinnom's case it puts them in the hilarious situation of needing grigori just to fucking bloodhunt late without shooting themselves in the head, giving them okay early game, and shit mid/late.

>>165456421
I think Sauro's a pretty solid nation. I just think that it needs to be aggressive early to do well and most people try to turtle with it rather than push once they've finished with an early research goal to actually take advantage of their early-midgame strength.

>>165455781
Since people keep telling me that leech is no worse than thunderstrike, I intend to make it B3.

not really, I just think that's a stupid argument

>>165456421
This would be an issue if I was going to give them more than the very smallest poploss value there is, and wasn't going to provide any buffs. Hinnom will be getting some additional stuff at the same time I make Vlords marginally less excellent. Sauro will get stuff too.

>>165461324
>Sauro will get stuff too.
Sauro already got significant buffs with the blanket cavalry buffs.

>>165461554
thats the stuff im referring to

>>165461762
Please don't buff them significantly. They'll be op

>>165461840
How do A8 warrior queens sound?

>>165457571
I was honestly far less worried about Sauro than Hinnom desu. Sauro wants vampires because it's their most natural option with blood pathing.

Hinnom needs vampires because without them they eventually won't have blood. Giving Hinnom buffs to blood summons lategame while taking away their transitioned hunter is a meaningless buff.

With regard to the Sauromatia discussion, my main concern is that their status as an archer nation be lost. They're supposed to be a nation of cavalry, archers and cavalry archers; if they end up being solely the first of those, it'd be a darn pity. I always liked the use of Sauromatian Lancers as a genuinely stationary wall of blockers that simultaneously contributed to the firepower.

>>165462647
Sauro lacks air for wind guide AND fire for flaming arrows.

Sauro also lacks the composite bows of EA TC. It was never an archer nation.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaSecks
ONLY 9 more.

>>165463435
>no summod

>>165463435
>MA

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>up at 4am to play dominions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fA

fucking lol my expansion party is now trapped on a mountain

>>165463435
>Urrapashit

Vampires suck and if you like them as is you are part of the problem

>>165447418
Play MA Xib or MA Monkees.

>>165462528
>Eventually won't have blood
If you are losing blood access because of 10 or even 30 poploss/turn, you should stop playing 300 turn games.

>>165464795
Why the fuck would you play MA Xib without summod? Shit, they're still pretty bad even with it.

Same with BL, but to a VASTLY lesser extent.

>>165464976
Masochistic pleasure.

>>165464923
Hinnom, sadly, exists in EA - where there aren't 10k pop provinces everywhere. Bloodhunting with 2 Kohens roughly halves a 5k pop province in around 20-25 turns, down to 2.5k pop. Now, since you should still be expanding by eating neighbors if you have any shot at winning your blood economy shouldn't *shrink* per say, since you'll be bringing in new provinces, but it also won't really expand.
You also have to move all the hunters over from depleted provinces, which is a noticeable loss of efficiency. If you want to know what that feels like, my personal advice would be to play on maps that have typical pop levels for EA, something this place seems to never actually do.

Last time that happened was domg natgen, and the bitching in the thread about the low pop world was glorious.

>>165464923
Their upkeep/bloodslave pulled ratio is literally worse than indie commander even with summod.

>>165464729
>vampires suck
yeah no shit genius

>>165465481
No, Hinnom's is more efficient than an indie commander.
It was indie scouts that were more efficient. And summod did make that not true anymore, by adding dousing bonus onto Kohens. Now Kohens are slightly better than indie scouts at hunting, but only slightly.

>>165463361
Sauro has composite bows as well cheaper archers.

>>165465376
>last time that happened
>implying it still isn't happening
>implying the suffering isn't real

making domgnatgen a bi-monthly turn system was the best thing we ever did

>>165463435
While I personally prefer summod, I'd be down for a vanilla game but -
>Urraparand
That map is borderline unplayable from all of its wonky stacking terrain garbage

>>165465689
No, because of the cost decrease and dowsing bonus they are roughly twice as good as indies. Dowsing bonus is a huge deal for b1s.

>>165443290

What >>165443559 said basically. You do not need every niefel you can cram out at once, because they are good, but once someone starts countering them they will die en masse. Get a moderate amount, spend that gold on mages and forts.

And hope to god you find good indie researchers.

>>165467221
It balances the fact you can only move 1 UW by making sure you can only move 1 on land too.
>>165467245
I haven't exactly run the math, I only knew they were slightly worse than scouts beforehand from a pure efficiency scale (but much faster) - with the dousing bonus them being around twice as good as indie scouts sounds about right.

That's still really fucking bad though.

>>165468550
>It balances the fact you can only move 1 UW by making sure you can only move 1 on land too.
muh caelians

>>165467221
>>165468550

According to /domg/, what should the terrain be like in a good map? Obviously Urraparand levels of game-decided-by-starting-position is fucking horrific, but what is something ideal? How clustered should terrain be? Should open corridors of terrain exist? Single oceans or multiple? Double, single or no wrap? Caves as part of the main map, or as a sort of sub-map with occasional connections to the main one? Cross-map shortcuts (portals, underground connections, shipping routes) yes/no? Should all start positions be within a certain distance of at least one of every terrain time? How many special connection types (warm/cold) should exist? How chokepoint-focused should the map be?

I need me some notes, people. Can't make a good map if I don't know what a good map is.

>>165469397
>How clustered should terrain be?
As little as possible. 2-3 together for visual appeal is fine, but in cases where you have more than 2, it's better to string them along in a chain rather than have them all adjoining.
>Should open corridors of terrain exist?
Absolutely. Otherwise MM2+ outside of flying is useless.
>Single oceans or multiple?
Multiple if you want multiple UW nations that aren't forced to be at each other's throats, one small if you want just one UW nation. And by small I don't mean a full share of the total number of provinces. It should need to fight for coasts to actually interact with the land nations. It's okay to have a UW bowl sometimes too, but it seems that every map forces UW into a deathmatch or gives the single brave UW nation a huge advantage.
>Double, single or no wrap?
The important thing is no corner positions. If you have the map set up like a loop then you don't need a wrap. Most maps are not built this way, though, so as a result wrap maps end up with better positional balance.
>Caves as part of the main map, or as a sort of sub-map with occasional connections to the main one?
Either way's fine. Caves are one of the few exceptions to clustered terrain being an issue. If you do have one cave system, make sure to NOT have connected caves give a full nation's share of the map, since otherwise you run into the same single-sea issue. Connected caves need to either be contested or give only ~5 or so provinces
>Cross-map shortcuts (portals, underground connections, shipping routes) yes/no?
The make the map harder to read. See the wraparound section, though. For balance purposes, they're fine if they help prevent corner positions.
>Should all start positions be within a certain distance of at least one of every terrain time?
Doesn't strike me as necessary. As long as you don't have a clusterfuck of wastes or mountains, it's fine to not have every topping on every slice of the map.

>>165469397

Its ok to make mountain chains and rivers to make natural borders and that means giving clustered lines of border-mountain provinces.

You can also make some forest chains.

But avoid swamp clusters and waste clusters as they are very hurtful for the economy. Plus some nations need them for summons to spreading them out works best.

If you add a mountain/forest chain then add normal terrain 'corridors' to use bigger than 1 map movement.

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>>165464241
YOU ONLY HAD TO TAKE HEAT SCALES

WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN

>>165469397
>>165470232
>How many special connection types (warm/cold) should exist?
It should be a minority.

>How chokepoint-focused should the map be?
It shouldn't. Chokepoints should be relatively rare.

>>165469397
>How clustered should terrain be?
For balance purposes, it should be 100% non-clustered. Of course, it's hard to make a good looking map this way.
>Should open corridors of terrain exist?
I think it depends on size. Bigger maps, especially relative to number of players, are better with this. Small tight maps need their terrain types packed more densely.
>Single oceans or multiple?
Single. If there's a LOT of UW nations, multiple can be okay but it's still better to connect them.
>Double, single or no wrap?
Double wrap is most balanced, but I think none is fine. No wrap can work if you make special allowances (e.g. teleport provinces) to prevent the situation of someone being in a corner. The wrap is, after all, just an aesthetic thing.
>Caves as part of the main map, or as a sort of sub-map with occasional connections to the main one?
I like caves clustered as a sub map for aesthetic reasons, but as with other terrain types, not clustering is more balanced.
>Cross-map shortcuts (portals, underground connections, shipping routes) yes/no?
It's easier to make the map balanced while respecting aesthetics if you use them. Ultimately, the location of provinces doesn't matter compared to the connections, though. These things aren't different with regards to balance than any other connection.
>Should all start positions be within a certain distance of at least one of every terrain time?
I don't think that's strictly necessary, but it's a handy way to check for balance I reckon.
>How many special connection types (warm/cold) should exist?
Doesn't really matter as long as any province with a lot of them is #nostart. They form a partial border, so consider that when looking at connectivity, but they're not that important by themselves.
>How chokepoint-focused should the map be?
If it takes half a year to go around any single chokepoint, that's too much. If there's no chokepoints at all, that's okay but a bit boring.

>>165470752
>avoid swamp clusters and waste clusters as they are very hurtful for the economy
It's worth noting that these things can be drawn on the map larger than more profitable provinces, and if you want big deserts for aesthetic reasons.

>>165470232
>>165470752
>>165470973

Alright, that sounds like roughly what I had in mind, then. Forcing UW and Cave nations to interact with the above-worlders is a good point, especially; I feel it's something a lot of current maps fail at.

Also, are any of you in Local_Domg_Man, and if so, have you got thoughts as to whether I've managed to sorta meet some of these goals in making Mountains of Mediocrity?

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For those attacking me: there is still time to reverse your course of treachery!

>>165471565
It's reasonably balanced, but unattractive.

>>165471205
>Shortcuts aren't different compared to other connections

Actually, they are. Other connections can be shown as a graph with non-intersecting edges; the thing about the shortcuts is that they generally do intersect several other edges.

>>165471838
I have no idea what you're trying to say.

>>165471718
I can't draw for shit, and my gf couldn't find the time to do the art for me. You're welcome to reskin it if you care to, but as it is, I felt that aiming for clarity was better than trying anything fancy.

>>165472070
They connect provinces that could otherwise not possibly be connected. This creates a shortened version of many A -> B paths, with the caveat that they all have to go through that one connection, making it incredibly valuable.

>>165472462
Just giving feedback my dude. It's a balanced but ugly map.

>>165468550
It's not great, but it's better than or comparable to a number of other second-guessing blood nations. They're now better than vanheim, sauro, niefelnheim, etc in terms of hunt efficacy.

>>165472462
Oh, yeah it does boost the value of specific provinces. This can be partially ameliorated by having loads of them though, and other geographic chokepoints like mountain passes. Having loads of them does decrease readability if you're not doing something weird, but weird things can be fun. Like, I've got constellations in the sky in my (unreleased, perpetually indevelopment) map that connect to two places on the world as well as to each other, which avoids the edge issue since it winds up with loads of provinces having some kind of connection.

>>165463435
Man reporting

>>165438552
ULM UP BOYS

>>165438701

You could say that for literally any nation.

>it's only a problem if you don't treat it like a nation that will win unless every neighboring nation forms a united coalition against them. They're not OP at all!

>>165472614
That's legit. It'd help a lot if I could just get my hands on some decent stylized textures for the different terrain types, something that'd look decent when used for irregular-sized provinces and without any transition in borders. I guess I could try something symbol-based? Even I should be able to achieve that.

If I could just focus on the actual map-building instead of the art, everything would be so much better.

>>165473871
even t. Pan won with Ermor. you know it's op when a literal retard can pull it off

>>165473871
You wouldn't rather cut your dick off than fight a regular mid-game, mid-sized nation, like it's the case with Ermor/Lemuria.

Thank You to all attending parties!
>>165473509
Women are people too you know..

I'm not gonna be home for like 5-6 hours, but I want in on the vanilla game when I can

>>165474468

Yeah, my point is it doesn't matter how OP a nation is, you can just say it's 'countered' by an early dogpile. Dogpiling isn't counterplay, it's something you do when you don't have counterplay.

>>165474775
Pythium can 1v1 Ermor

>>165474775
wat
You totally missed the point. I wasn't talking about countering.

>>165472831
No, they aren't. I'd trade Kohens for ANY of their hunters in a fucking heartbeat, even ignoring any other factors there. Stop ignoring poploss and cause unrest please.

It becomes even more noticeable at construction4, as dowsing rods greatly reduce the speed gap between them as well.

>>165473871
Ermor doesn't win, everyone else loses.

>>165474486
>Shitnations encouraged.
>No Shinuyama or Mari.

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>>165474775
Ermor can be beaten by single nations; it's just that being the single nation to beat Ermor means you tend to be crippled for the later game.

When you play as a nation that can 1v1 Ermor you encourage your fellows to join the war anyway so you're put at less of a disadvantage by doing so.

Ermor isn't an "I win" button, it's a MAD nation. By killing Ermor you tend to spell your own doom in the immediate next war to follow.

>>165475158
Obviously his writing also has an accent.

>>165475069
>everyone else quits
FTFY

>>165474775
It's not OP in the sense that you can't beat it. The bad things about Ermor come into light AFTER you've beaten them and made them long gone.

People don't like to fight it because there's nothing to gain from the fight. You are throwing away gold in a void because all provinces have no population and expending troops to conquer them doesn't pay back. And the goal of the game is to conquer thrones, not to "beat everyone"` so people try to skip on touching Ermor whenever possible.

I've never had a game where Ermor won. But I've never had a game where the people who removed Ermor won either.

>>165475158
Please don't bully the non-native speaker.

>>165465376
>Bloodhunting with 2 Kohens roughly halves a 5k pop province in around 20-25 turns, down to 2.5k pop.
Ok, this argument is not nearly as strong as you think.
To drop population from 5k to 2500 in that period of time requires an average net poploss of 100-130 per turn. With growth scales, which you should have, that means a gross poploss of 120-150 per turn, and nonkohen poploss rate of 100-130/turn. This means that the contribution of kohenim/VL popkill is less than 20% of what you are complaining about. At this poploss rate, the province would hit 2500 in only 7 more turns even without the kohenim/Vl poploss.

In the game, poploss from bloodhunting/patrolling would need to be even higher, because it will also drop with population, but that can be ignored for now because I don't want to bother modeling it ATM, and can't find the poploss-unrest reduction mechanics.

If we assume kohenim poploss is a larger proportion of the gross poploss-say 40%- then we go from a roughly stable situation with no kohenim to 2500 in 94 turns.

Now, if you're referring to Hinnom burning through provinces in AT, I think there were other contributing factors to the rapid poploss. From what I saw in province history while raiding with my poison golems, there were multiple turns in many of those provinces where you lost literally hundreds of pop to those fucking plagues. I also had plague, but I contained it with armies, meaning I mostly got 30 poploss messages on how it didn't spread.

Anyways, here is my work:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WXn8H6ZIus0n_ysYJNXohsV0-13JqIM6vWeJiL-xrHA/

>>165476398
>in only 7 more turns
In only 4-7 more turns.

>>165463435
Reporting in.

>>165476398
I'll assumed you also factored in the cause unrest factor of them as well?

Apologies that I feel a nation supposed to be defined by blood should be better at it than anyone who chances across indie garnets - because people didn't even have the gall to put Abysia on the "worse than" list, and their blood access is essentially around the same level.

>>165476398
You also seem to be insinuating that Kohen's only cause 10 poploss instead of 20 in this report. Is that a planned buff, or just bad math?

>>165476864
>I'll assumed you also factored in the cause unrest factor of them as well?
Nope, but the +2 unrest is so negligible in terms of popkill that it isn't even worth bringing up. It's literally less than 10% of the unrest already generated by blood hunting.
>Apologies that I feel a nation supposed to be defined by blood should be better at it than anyone who chances across indie garnets
Ok. Apology accepted.

>>165463435
spooky ghost plants here

What's a good map to use as a reference point for province type distribution in map-making?

>>165477526
Ah, that is an error. I had vampire Lords popkill of 10 in mind while writing that. I'll create a new sheet for kohenim, but it won't be immensely different in result.

Annnnd looks like the gap increases to 26 turns instead of 24:20, and 31 turns against replacement for kohenim.

>>165478876
It's kohanim.

>>165478876
>>165477754
Conclusions: with intensive poploss, kohenim aren't very different than vampires, but also not very different from 0popkill hunters (4, 6 turns) Assuming base poploss is at replacement (30) kohenim will halve a 5k province in 55 turns, and vampires in 95.

>>165478876
Edit: 31 should be 55.

>>165476864
>I feel a nation supposed to be defined by blood should be better at it than anyone who chances across indie garnets
Popkill isn't the major problem here. The fact that they are expensive giants is.

>>165471687
can we be friends papa jotun you saved me from evil men

VanillaSecks started! First turn attached

>>165481980
i got back from class and now i can't join FUCK

>>165482289
You would not pick a shitnation anyway.

>>165482289
Shoulda been a NEET.

>>165482364
>>165482408
:v(

>>165482289
it's MA no summod Ermor banned man
no great loss

>>165481980
where the fuck do i find this map

>>165483773
admin options

christmas edition

Berytos 2h file received
>Fomoria Waiting for 2h file
Marverni 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received
>Yomi Waiting for 2h file
REEEEEEE WHY CAN'T WE CAN HAVE 12H TURN OVER AVERAGES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING YOMI

>>165453968
the bitch queen is like a billion years old

dryad or bust

>>165483773
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5x60dlokyqrwnt/Peliwyr1.3_nostart.7z?dl=0

>>165484250
Game: DontStaleDesuSenpai
Turn number 30
Next turn due: 08:54 GMT on Saturday January 14th

Caelum 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
>Oceania Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received

tfw you DO have 12H turn over averages but today is an outlier
inb4 needs to be resent

>>165480375

Arco+Jotun eternal broship confirmed. Mari and C'tis are welcome too.

Machaka is almost certainly going to attack me next turn, and Man is already attacking me.

>>165481980
doubles = blind expand
triples = ??

>>165485248
i accept mari especially, i gave him like 90 gems because i forgot our trade deal desu.

>>165485410
>bad game
>bad map
>bad nations
You oughta make a bad decision.

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how can other nations compete with BIG BLACK ULM?

So i finally drove off maverni and killed it's god

It only costed me all my expansion and completely halting my research to send the bean sidhes to war

let caelum fuck his shit up, i'm off to ponder what the fuck do I do with my itty bitty nation

www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaNewbs

I can change the map if you want, I just find it pretty.

>>165487286
Missed a wageslave down there at the bottom, my man.

>>165484805
relax, I had my boss up my ass today so I couldn't do my turns at work like I usually do. I'm getting on it

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Pretender advice on EA Niefel?

>>165489213
>S1

>>165489213
Take it awake with S3 for the hot new meme

>>165489213
take sloth 3

>>165489312
Is that a problem for a fucking stone sitting around in the capital?
Feel free to suggest a better chasis with both earth and nature access.

>>165489448
Where do you put the points? Luck? Additional magic paths?

>>165489637
"yes"

>>165489637
magic 3 makes revenants into good researchers to help deal with gygjas awful upkeep costs; also frees up forts for STR Skratti and Niefel Jarls which you want a fair bit of in the mid game for thuggery

>>165489891
I'm also a fan of taking dual bless alongside turmoil 3/magic 3. Yes the income hit hurts, but E9N9 Giants either win or lose, their numbers not mattering that much - and T3M3 opens up Hidden in Snow for you midgame.

>>165490098
hello nick

>>165489891
Sounds good. You sure sure Sloth 3 isn't going to be too extreme though?

>>165490098
Eh, E9 is just overkill on your giants. Sure it's great in early expansion, sure you can just fuck up any other player early, but you're sacrificing too much and it's going to come and bite you in the ass sooner than later. That said the extra protection doesn't make them invincible.

>>165490420
Sloth 3 only ever really hits Niefel indie recruitment

shit I've made cap adjacent forts and not had it influence giant recruitment

>>165490420
>but you're sacrificing too much and it's going to come and bite you in the ass sooner than later
More provinces = more income
Sacreds that are even harder to counter early = more early pressure for a push
You end up with fewer gygjas researching, but not 30% fewer, both because of the additional provinces you take by having even HARDER giants and because of the occasional 2k gold event

>>165490420
E9 is overkill on giants in friendly dominion/winter but it makes them significantly safer in heat 1-2
also E9 on Jotun Wolves is amazing

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VanillaBoning started pretty fast desu.

>>165490420
It isn't much about the protection, its about the reinvig. E9 gives +4, and makes the giants fatigue neutral which removes many of their usual counters early, and even somewhat midgame (skelespam just leads to a stalemate instead of a loss for instance). It also makes the Jarls fatigue neutral with 0 items, which means no pressing concern to have a reinvig item unless you need the quickness.

Personally I value the fatigue neutral giants vastly higher than just N9. It also means sloth 3 is no issue at all (you should never be recruiting more than 1 or 2 a turn, you either utterly counter your opponent or they're totally worthless).

This wouldn't be nearly as good imo if Niefel didn't want ench5/6 anyhow for other reasons, have the paths for HiS, and have a bunch of water gems just lying around waiting to be used. As a bonus, it usually gives you an earth mage. Better in summod though with the 15 water gem discount on Hidden in X though.

>>165490650
>>165490731
>>165490864
So is this serious advice, or am I just being memed?

I know Niefel Giants are amazing, but I've already made bad experiences with "collapsing under ones own weigth" with high upkeep/shit scales nations, where you literally run out of gold and can no longer sustain a forward push.

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So what, something like this?

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That was pretty rude bump caelum, you killed my poor prophet

>>165491710
What the hell kind of expansion parties are either of these?

>>165491791
that wasn't an expansion, that was a throne taking party that was moving south to scoop up a swamp I previously owned that belonged to indies, caelum stole it from me and was very rude about it

>>165491108
it's serious advice
with niefels you want to swap over to revenants/indies regardless of exact build because the collapse under own weight thing is TOO FUCKING REAL

>>165490860
I am secretly ermor there.

>>165492269
Alrigh, I'll trust you on that one. Thanks.

Dou you agree with the pretender design?
>>165491541

Niefel Giants!

The recent buildup of forces on our mutual border is raising tensions. I suspect that you are only guarding what is yours. Therefore I will move my forces further to the south, near Ermorian territory. The ruler of Ermor will not mind Ulmish forces in the vicinity, especially with the ever present Bird-men threat in the south. I suggest that we step down from our border buildup and face the real threat which is about to jump us very soon. We have a history of friendship, we both waged righteous wars on our enemies while our borders remained secure. I call for reason and cool headed thinking or who knows what might happen in the next few turns.

>>165491108
It's real advice but I'm not sure I agree, you're paying a fair amount for those extra E level.

>>165491541
I would want some growth.

>>165493425
Define some.
Exchange 1 magic scale for growth? 2?

Working on a map and trying to figure out a rough province type distribution to use as a guideline, came up with this ratio:

1 Swamp:1 Wasteland:1 Cave:2 Farm: 3 Forest:3 Mountain:6 Normal


Anything I should tweak?

>>165493625
One, if that's what you're dropping. Personally, I would drop some of the bless, and go to E6 instead. Being fatigue-neutral is good against certain counters, but having more niefel giants early helps you make the most of a good thing before counters come on line, and having more mages is going to help you out more in the long run than that kind of counter immunity I think, especially since a lot of those counters can be countered by magic anyway.

Sneak into the land
bless gods for you transgression
they invoke your death

>>165491108
The CRITICAL thing to remember is that you really, really don't need more than per-se 20-30 Niefel Giants EVER. An actual good rule of thumb is 1 Niefel Giant unit per province.

Usually, if 5-6 E9N9 Niefel Giants died to something, it would have killed 30 N9E9 Giants too. And anything 30 E9N9 Niefels can do, 5-6 can as well.

The other benefit of E9N9 is its a fantastic bless for both skittle thugs and jarls.

>>165495278
50 PD

>>165493871
I'd personally lean more like 4 forests:x because they're the most commonly used special terrain. I think that having forest/mountains is k too, as long as you don't go urraparand and make that like every province.

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>>165496004
>skittle thugs

>>165493409
I realize buildup has continued on my side despite reassurances but would again attempt to assure you that it is not a matter of national security but one of logistics outside of the movement of troops to Vertmyst; that alone was an act of paranoia in the event that you were not reassured and chose to launch a pre-emptive strike.

Were I to pick a province for build up along our borders out of fear it would be Rovenhelm for ability to best defend my fort provinces; as an additional piece of reassurance I'd like to inform you that I will be holding off blood-hunting in Rovenhelm as that would require a patrolling army stationed and increase tensions with the information given in this missive.

- Jarl Mike "Wrathful Skies" Pence of Niefelheim

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>>165496386
>Not using skittle thugs

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>>165496730
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphasia

>>165496927
>doesn't know skittle is common /domg/ slang for them
you must be new

>>165497335
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

>>165496335
I used Valanis as a reference and it actually had around twice as many mountains as forests, but it seemed extreme and I toned it down to be equal.

Checking out other maps, though, seems you're right. I'll probably do a ratio closer to what you mentioned.

>>165497418
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

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What's with these indies?

>>165498530
Is this Oeridia?

>>165498605
No. It's Hexawyr. As far as I can tell, they're random.

>>165498530
T'lann Imass

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Alright, Bery, I hope you enjoyed some of my assassinations and stuff. As I said, I'm AI'ing myself because I hate playing games with shit admins. Arco was staling for 13 turns in a row, and nothing was done about it. Maybe Bery is the admin, as he's sieging Arco's cap right now, I don't know.

As for the actual game disposition, Bery already has blood economy running, and, I suspect, more provinces than anybody in the game. Maybe I would've had a chance if other players weren't so passive about it. But then again, maybe Bery is eating them right now, as I never recieved any messages from them about that.

>>165498530
There was somebody, maybe zonk? who was looking for anedoctes on weird and powerful indies
can you give us more info?

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The god I made for the memes. I guess I won't be earthquaking armies after all. Wouldn't recommend it for TNN, as there are many better options.

Overall, I consider TNN a really weak EA nation. You don't even need to compare TNN to other elves, as they're obviously weaker than them. Even when comparing them to prominent EA mage nations TNN loses, as their only worthwile mages are cap-only and slow to recruit. Sacreds are pretty mediocre. Fir Bolgs are pretty mediocre (no hats, really?). Sidhe soldiers are beyond mediocre for 25 gold. A2 assassins are TNN's only strong point, to be honest.

>>165499440
It's those guys, 13 unfrozens, and 34 unfrozen warriors. Gonna need more specific questioning if you want other info.

P.S. This map is really bad, and don't listen to anyone who would tell you otherwise.

>>165497784
Valanis is weirdly deforested desu and massively clustered. It has huge swaths of blank terrain, and then solid blocks of crap.

>>165499762
>their only worthwile mages are cap-only and slow to recruit
What's wrong with baobhan sidhe?

>>165499762
>N9E9 Elf build

not the first time I've seen this build today.....

>>165500694
have you seen E6 TNN today?
I have

>>165499762
Forgot the main point.

TNN essentially has no late-game. No good sacred summons (Cu Sidhe are garbage, just look at their goddamn stats), no deep late-game paths (only A4 and N4 from cap only slow-to-recruit mages). Basically, you need to get a pretender that gives late-game options to them. But they also need a solid bless for their ponymen thugs. But N9 doesn't give them anything new at all (unlike Van or Hel, for example, who don't have native N access), as they already have N magic.

>>165500647
>A2 assassins are TNN's only strong point, to be honest.

TNN's ponymen are slightly better at thugging than vanjarls

>>165499332
Nooooooooooo

>>165500968
Yes, but you seem to be saying that Baobhan are great assassins but not great mages.

145g A2 is pretty good, I thought.

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>>165501241
Yeah, cheap t-strikers are also good, I agree. Thing is, you don't want to recruit your bean sidhe at all after you get your sitesearching/crafting starter pack. I would've considered getting them if they were able to RoS, but alas, summod changed that.

>>165501074
Let's see.

I think N1 is much less useful than B1. With B/A you get bloodhunting and storm demons/blood assassins (give them hearts and 1 booster and watch the world burn). What does N1 give you that is as useful? Also, vanjarls can sail, which makes them REALLY good at early-game raiding, and it's useful even after you get cloud trapeze as well.

>>165501642
B is more useful overall, N is specifically more useful for thugging until Blood 9.

>>165501814
What for? Barkskin? Personal Regen is N2, so you're spending 1 gem every battle for that. If you're planning to extensively thug (as elves should), it would be cheaper to craft regen rings in the long run. And N9 is an option as well.

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>>165499762
>Woodman Robert

>>165502063
You could cast berserkers to force the enemy to rout when against skellyspammers?

I agree though, most of the time N1 is going to be worthless for a thug. Elf thugs usually just go mistform, bless, (optional: holdx3) -> attack to limit how much fatigue they gain.

>>165498530
We will not allow you to disturb that site, Ktonian.

>>165488167
>www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaNewbs

I'm in for Formoria, also new to multiplayer

>>165506237
Can I join if I have a lot of victories but make an absolutely retarded build and post all my turns in the thread?

>>165506546
too innovative

>>165488167
>mods: none
seriously get summod and maybe worth heroes and better arena
playing vanilla means certain factions can win games by default if not killed in the early age

>>165507070
early game* not early age

>>165507070
You greatly overstate the difference between them

>>165507070
What part of "Newbs" didn't you get?
Better Arena is a great mod though, the normal arena is a waste of time.

>>165507905
It's a big difference for Ermor.

>>165507905
Its EA, Xibalba can easily expand to 50+ provinces and 1vaAll every adjacent neighbor they have.

Reminder that this is *exactly* what Chimori, a weaker natgen nation somewhat like Xibalba, did. And the gap between Chimori and Xibalba is pretty damn big.

>>165509048
Chimori has better midgame than bats, if weaker endgame. Insane expansion->strong mid makes snowballing easier than insane expansion->strong late.

Not saying that you're wrong, just that Xibalba doesn't hit the same spike at [research]5 that a nation with rec anywhere A3 does

>>165509048
Chimori did it because Sy has no regrets, remorse, or other human feelings.

>>165509513
>rec anywhere A3
jesus christ how horrifying

>>165492000
>>165491710
Caelum here.

I am afraid i have nowhere else to go.

what is this "lategame" i keep hearing people talk about?

>>165509048
>Reminder that this is *exactly* what Chimori, a weaker natgen nation somewhat like Xibalba, did.
That's bullshit, and you should know it.

Chimori didn't fight every neighbor they had (except maybe very late in the game once it was too late to change anything), and definitely didn't do it immediately out of expansion.

People from the game were constantly posting in thread complaining about the backstabbing and lack of cooperation around removing him. From what I remember, he even got to eat a guy in a 1v1 early on.

>>165499332

In that case, I'll be going AI too

for real actually

>>165510286
it's the thing that fast researchers reach before you; then use to murder you in mid-game

>>165509950
this desu

>>165511156
Level five research is lategame?

>>165510286
The point in the game when going AI is the only way to preserve your sanity.

>>165511386
Level 7-9 research is lategame.

>>165511386
No that's the thing fast researchers reach before you and use to murder you in early-game.

>>165511138
oi m8 i thought we had something going on.
If you want a peace we can have a peace.

>>165511682
Who are the fastest researching nation in the game?

>>165511905

No it's not that, I agree with TNN that the game is going nowhere, so it's not really worth investing the turns.

Also that game has been suffering the whole time because
>caves everywhere

>>165511990
Arco and T'ien C'hi I think. LA Ulm is pretty awesome at it too.

>>165500480
Yeah, whole reason I'm making the map is to have another pretty map that avoids things like uneven spawns, janky caprings, excessive terrain clustering, and never being able to move more than one province because of the way terrain is laid out.

So here's the problem:

If the ideal number of provinces is 14 per player and we want each player to have a roughly equal distribution of provinces (this way nations don't get screwed over by not spawning near swamps, caves, or wastelands for national recruits), that makes a distribution like 1:1:1:2:3:4:6 impossible, since that accounts for 18 of the 14 provinces each player is allocated. The swamp, mountain, and cave could be given a mountain or forest to pair it with and there could be one hybridized forest/mountain to drop the total down to 14 provinces, but that leads to Urraparrand syndrome where nearly a third of the provinces are multi-type, and there's still the movement constriction issue with more than half of the provinces on the map having movement penalties.

I think that last bit might not be too much of a problem if you're careful with province connections, though.

>>165512303
You have my axe

>>165511990
Therodos if you get lucky or just manage to capture enough death gem cap sites
Arco with consistency

>>165511990
All Arcos, Sauro, MA TC, Bogarus, LA Ulm.

>>165512753
Also, Vanarus. And Jotun, if they get enough forests.

Give me another turn you fucks

>>165515189
no

>>165515274
FUCK

YOOOOOUUUUUU

>five people in AutisticRP are slower than Yomi
how can you even live with yourselves

>TNN has begun to take my local provinces

please let communion shit work

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
>Atlantis Waiting for 2h file
>Caelum Waiting for 2h file
>Ermor Waiting for 2h file
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
>Marverni Waiting for 2h file
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
Ur 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received

I need another turn before I sleep bros

>>165512303
Don't aim for a perfectly even ratio or provinces or symmetry. It's too much to ask for. Those are great guidelines, but you can make a good map without it being those EXACT numbers.

So, Mictlan, now that your (very short) reign as an aztec god has ended, we apparently have an opening in China.

If you're into that kind of stuff.

Some graphs for the DriftKing newbie friendly game.
Provinces: http://imgur.com/sqrLLf5
Forts: http://imgur.com/apzURBR
Income: http://imgur.com/iFJEABO
Gemz: http://imgur.com/qMDAsi6
Research: http://imgur.com/ROWNgaH
Dominion: http://imgur.com/8v8RlCV
Army: http://imgur.com/oW84SjD

Holy shit Lanka, dem skeletons!

>>165524538
I might be mostly dead but if mictlan and the bats think I'll just roll over they are going to get a nasty surprise.

>>165524538
So, did everyone except Arco/TC/Fomoria forget how to research?

>>165524935
>newbie friendly game

>>165524935
I'd say "newbie games in a nutshell" but some of those are just baffling.

>>165524147
Hey, I managed to route the meme dragon, even if I lost. Worth it.

I won't be any better at it, and I got no idea how to sub, but sure I will.

Would anyone else be down for another RP game without the autistic title? Just standard stay in character for messages good ol fashioned RP.

>>165520706
The trick to good mapmaking is knowing how to break the symmetry and ratio without fucking the balance.

Symmetry-perfect maps are garbage. Valanis goes the complete opposite direction and is also garbage. The ideal point is almost halfway between the two, but leaning closer to the side of balance.

>>165525469
ye, sure

>>165525467
Did you route it into oblivion, or did it just retreat?

>>165524538
what are the final numbers on those stats for the highest score?
graphs without a scale only tell you who won; not by how much

>>165525469
>would anyone be up for a game exactly like this one but with a different name so llamaserver will let me upload it

>>165525842
I mean, I was gonna join the other one but didn't get in in time. I'm sure it's gonna have a big overlap in terms of interest, so I figured I should do a quick poll first

>>165525747
Nope, just retreating. Still felt nice, though.

>>165525979
Is it another W9 Mictlan dragon, like the first one? Or did he go for something memeier?

>>165525748
Game is still ongoing, so I don't really know any of the numbers atm.

Also my eyes just got dispelled, so there's also that...

>>165526485
W9E9

>>165525469
>>165525842
>>165525895
I'm down if it's a different age than EA.

>>165526751
>W9E9 Mictlan
I don't think I've ever actually seen that one before

>>165526987
It isn't W9E9 Mictlan.

It's W9E9 Awake Dragon Xibalba. His scales must be screaming for mercy.

>>165526987
No, Xibalba. Batshitters.

>>165525747
>>165525467
>people who can't spell "rout" and just write "route" instead
English isn't your first language, I hope, or else you have no excuse.

>>165527061
kek

Misf 3 here we go

To reiterate, I was serious about needing a T'ien Chi sub though, ideally soon.

>>165525496
The map isn't designed to be symmetrical, it's more just equal opportunity. Each nation has 3 border nations, a 5 province capring, 14 provinces in their area, and at least one of every province type within those 14 provinces that are most likely to go to them.

The plan is also to have the swamp province that's closest to you be closer to the border of the swamp province closest to one of the three nations bordering you. That way if you're a nation that needs that province type for special recruits, you can prioritize expanding in that area and grab both of them.

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>>165497335
I've been here for years and never seen that. Werewoofs is more common.
>>165512753
>not ea ulm

>>165530114
Doesn't count.
Unless we're also meant to believe Hinnom is second best researcher?

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rate my mari build

>>165531492
Drop misf for higher dom desu

>>165531492
the buffest 5 flagellants you've ever seen

>>165529937
Got a mock up?

Do your turns

>>165534509
ESPECIALLY those of you who are at normie jobs or schooling!

>>165534668
>can't play my turns at work
It is time to leave that place anon.

Does anyone know where kalisa is in autisticRP? Asking for a friend.

>>165534948
I know.
Not telling you, but I know.

>>165535173
I dont believe you.

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>>165532216
Here's my WIP.

Was starting to lay out province borders to get an idea of how I should size them when I realized I fucked up with the sharpness on the details and started to redo them, so that's why there's some contrast in a few places.

Black circles mark the capitals, with one more capital that's not marked getting shoved somewhere in the top left. The 4 other Nations that look like they only have two borders will get a way up to some floating islands that will connect them to their third border.

>>165536423
can you add a visible climate gradient of some kind? I know, scales and everything, it just bothers me when everything is the same grassland

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>>165536869
There's going to be some more shading on the grass if that's what you mean.

I tried throwing it through a filter to diversify it and see how it looked, but I don't know about that.

>>165525469
sure why not

>>165524935
teach me senpai

>>165538383
what are you making this in?

>>165536423
Not sure how big a fan I am of known pre-determined start locations. Makes things real darn easy for rushers and fliers and asshole batmen.

Anyone wanna start a EA game? Newbie/Intermediate preferred?

What's the best way to boost from S1 to S9?

Assume you're starting with all crosspaths, starshine skullcap, crystal coin.

[2:15 PM] okofire: I have defeated many players after all
[2:16 PM] Drithyl: Oh fuck no
[2:16 PM] okofire: And some take their defeat without problem and some dont and start hating me forever for no legit reason

>>165540232
Just photoshop.

>>165540784
I don't really know the solution to this. It was my understanding that every map had predetermined start locations, do you just mean there shouldn't be giant black dots where the cap is going to be? At just 14 provinces per player and each potential cap location having a 5 province cap ring, adding more possible cap locations seems like it could easily result in things like people sharing cap rings, which is one of the biggest things I'm trying to avoid here.

>>165543091
dude....
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaNewbs

>>165543643
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaNewbs
Remove Fomoria pretender please.

>>165543643
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaNewbs

Noiiice. No summod though. But well...

>>165543643
Joined as Caelum... link related

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4

>>165543729
>noobs game
>knowing what summod is
pls dont spoil newbies their first experience

Welcome aboard guys ! Only 3-4 more.

>>165543675
Done.

>>165544143
>>165544225

Nice.
And I only played (still playing) one MP game and that one uses Summod. So that is why I know.

>>165544360
Nice theme song for one of my favorite nations !

I'll look into sunmod for the next game, I prepared a lot and I didn't want to ruin all my landmarks for the first one.

I switched to Atlantis and we need one more UW nation to contest me in the water.

Only 3 slots left !

Every fucking time it's fucking berytos or yomi.

CHRISTMAS EDITION

Yomi Waiting for 2h file
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Berytos Waiting for 2h file
Vanheim 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received
Fomoria 2h file received

Look, whichever of you retards made your turn last, wait for you to receive the new turn file and send two turns. No need to make everyone wait for you

Is there a way to edit a already created pretender?

>>165546987
Yes

>>165547067
HOW?

>>165547090
create new one and delete old one :)