/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

>>165111758
>>165111654
>>165111462
>>165111382

Personally I hate, for example, Dark Souls inventory because there's too many icons that don't give enough information just glancing over

I don't know how many times I've been looking through my inventory for just one specific item and have no idea where it is

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>>165111629
Best show about gamedev?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4zqead_code-monkeys-s01e05-just-one-of-the-gamers_fun

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do you like this menu?

I just implemented A* search for enemy pathfinding.

This is the first time I have ever used anything from my Artificial Intelligence classes.

Dialogue system is nearly finalized. Cursor finally shows up now so I can actually feel better about putting the game up on itch.

Hopefully I'll have a build up soon for everyone to ignore.

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>even shortstackified, the style doesn't really work

dang it
i'll just try out another style then i guess

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Posted just as the thread died.
Reposting in case fraukidev misses it:

Frauki feedback
>browser build runs like poop
>desktop "build" (it's just packing it with webkit isn't it?") runs good
>game feels nice and fast
>like the graphics and sound effects
>Frauki a cute
>welcome back to this shithole, I missed your progress

Cons:
>controls feel too slippery, please make them tighter by reducing that acceleration/deceleration
>game starts in windowed fullscreen and can't go to a windowed mode by pressing alt+enter or anything

>>165111995
Yeah I like it, reminds me of the gameboy Zelda game's menus.
I like the map a lot.

are there any /agdg/ success stories?

>>165112092
I love this but it looks too detailed and it will take you ages to animate. Reduce the color count and resolution a bit and you have something feasible.
Look at momodora4 for example.

>>165112115
not this guy but I have Frauki feedback too.

For some reason, X360 controller's analog sticks doesnt work, but d-pad does. Is this intentional? You might want to let player use analog sticks to move.

>>165111995
I scrolled through your tumblr and couldn't find any item list or anything, but I see you got a boomerang, a bow thing, and a few other classic staples.

Should be good.

Is 16-bit color enough for a game?

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What color grass tile set for this level is acceptable agdg? (look on the path where boku is).

>>165112307
http://homph.com/steam/

>>165112307
Sure, there's a few games that came from AGDG and made splashes. Risk of Rain, etc.

If it counts, I'm a developer who hangs around here and, though I haven't launched any projects from my own personal hobby-library of prototypes and such, I have worked on two moderately successful games that combined have some 200k+ units sold.

Tutorials were a mistake.

>>165112512
in which regard?

>>165112404
Grey muddy is a spooky one

>>165112359
>analog for 2d platformers
I don't disagree with letting users remap but who plays 2d platformers with the analog?

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>>165111950
I agree. It's why I'm not really a fan of grid inventories except for in games with very simple sets of items, it works well in Minecraft for example.

But for a game like dark souls and Skyrim it's better to have an inventory list that is separated into tabs (weapons, armor, books, etc). This is why I like SkyUI. Of course there is still scrolling in SkyUI, but it takes a lot more items before scrolling needs to happen. It's easier to scroll, and you can easily sort the inventory. Inventory should be the easiest thing in a game to navigate.

>>165112404
will you just be using the one grass colour? The red and the green together would be nice, like by green areas and red paths

>>165112512
I bet you've played more tutorials than you know. Good games camouflage the tutorial within the first few levels. Guiding and teaching you with an invisible hand.

>>165112726
Do you have an example of grey muddy? Sorry to ask.

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>>165112404
You want desaturated colors for this kind of area.
More greys and browns like the other guy said

>>165112768
every time I see Skyrim's original UI I just sit and think what happened. how can someone make something so bad. someone got paid to make that

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>>165111990

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>>165111990
>trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9VNmv5fQFA
>actual show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMcy2oAQ9p4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McPmECfNFDM

>>165113163
Thanks for the example il try to match this colour pallet.

>>165113051
Yeah that was the brown one in your scene

Will the soundtrack become spooky?

>>165113163
>>165112726
Do not give bokudev advice. He does not listen, do not reply to bokuposts.

We have been trying in the discord for years. He just ignores our posts.


>>165112404
Btw that level needs work it looks awful and has clashing art not that you would listen it should all be blocks.

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pixel progress

Taking a break from learning 3D / Unity to slip quietly back into my 2D comfort zone for awhile

>>165113572
>flat out lying

Bokudev took feedback and advice just recently.

>>165113572
>Being this mad a yesdev chooses to not listen to your shitposts you call feedback so you meme he doesn't listen to everyone.

attaching drama to every yesdev is getting fucking annoying. Notice how it seems to come from discord/steamchat?

Do not give nodevs (You)'s. They do not have games, do not reply to nodevs.

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>>165113608
>filename

Make his hook hand fire out like a hookshot, that'd be cool

>>165113813
no

>>165113760
It doesn't come from there it just ferments there.

>>165111995
does this help, from what your giving me, I can see the bottom right is a map easily enough, so that's good, and I can also infer that each square marks up where the screen boundaries would be,

after that, why is the floor option here? show me just what the overworld would look like, or just a dungeon.

then from there I'm left to guess that the top right are quick items of some sort I can equip at any time, then to the right of that is maybe... tabs?
or are they more items? what lead you to seperate items into multiple boxes on screen?
then above everything I can tell that this would be the hud that displays while playing the game unpaused. Otherwise, not sure why you have so many things seperate.

>>165113572
>discord
Stopped reading there.
Discord and steamchat can kindly go away.

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I'll be finalizing these crawling animations tonight. What can I improve here?

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>>165113572
>>165113572

I wish this meme would stop to be honest.

>>165113760
I'm glad we aren't linking them in the OP anymore.

>>165112307
I am pertty sure the stardew valley guy worked here.

>>165114075
Feels like watching a cutscene with a Cloverfield cameraguy

Worth noting that there's at least one troll hanging around in /agdg/ who has made it his goal in life to do nothing but generate drama and derail threads.

If the drama you see in this thread feels manufactured, it probably is. Do not respond to dramaposts. The only way to get rid of someone who wants to be a court jester is to ignore and report.

>>165113909
That's the plan! Gonna try to figure out some kind of pseudo physics grapple system, like from Super Metroid or Castlevania IV. Never done anything like that though

>>165114075
hand is a little tight fisted, maybe he claws at the ground, looks good to me though.

>>165114081
I feel you man. I also wish the meme of anons going to chatrooms to be namefags would stop.

>>165114243
Fuck yeah, is he gonna have any other weapons? Like a pistol or some shit for MAXIMUM SWASHBUCKLING

>>165114014
They run the show. Demoday is their thing. Most of the jams too.

>>165114293
>Anons going to chatrooms to be namefags
There's much better actual dev discussions going on in there than these threads. You have to have a name in Discord.

>>165113314
>you will never be a rich successful ideagirl

>>165112768
christ that is so much information. I'm missing context though, if you have a player playing through a whole game, and know what items they've picked up, then giving them a million items in a menu isn't exactly wrong, some people dig organizing menus and having a bunch of items placed exactly where they need them. Look at other games like the RE4 item menu.

More specifically, what kind of items are in your game/how many items will they pick up/ how fast do you want them to have access to it. I might be able to draw up a system for you in illustrator or something.

>>165113314
WE

>>165114338
I have a boner for flintlock / antique pistols so definitely. It's going to be a pirate themed spelunky-like. I've already replicated spelunkys level generator before and it was surprisingly simple

>>165114429
>Implying there is a separation between discord and agdg threads
We're all the same group of people, RIGHT?

>>165114575
Looking at your artstyle, are you DungeonBreak dev?

>>165111950
maybe you have a tab for "Most recent pick up"
I found in bloodbourne I would be mashing X while picking up items and then I didn't see the name of something, then wouldn't be able to tell what I got that was new when I went back and checked inventory.

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Submission time is almost over, can safely assume all the games are up.

What's your final verdict on the demos? Favourites? Hidden gems? Anything you would like to tell the devs?

>>165114646
I refuse to use discord.

>>165114679
N...no
(yes)

>>165114847
CALLED IT.

Sneak your goofy skeleton shopkeeper into the pirate game.

>>165114706
You can assume it, but mine still isn't up. It will be in before the submission period's over.

>>165114706
>can safely assume all the games are up
Theres always a small burst at the end

>>165114520
Well the menu automatically organizes, and having it split into categories makes it very easy to navigate and find what you want. The menu can be sorted by name, weight, type, damage/armor value, etc. The menu has favorites as well, making it even easier to set which items are important.

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>>165114081
>>165114646
>>165114429
Its just become a separate meme from the threads, mainly one held in the discord that bokudev doesn't listen to feedback Iv watched the event unfold. I for one love to lurk in there and research it analytically because iv seen this repeat throughout agdg's history long before bokudev I mean look at risk of rain before that took off.

You people that go on the thread forget about discord or steamchat but its really a separate agdg culture at this point. Alot of it is filled with yesdevs or at least those of us who actually actively dev. I love posting my patreon porn from time to time.

You can also imagine the amount of circle-jerking about GOOD work that goes on in there I mean lets face it, discord has less nodevs or source posting even much more progress is going on in there or at least gets posted there for instant replies.
Now imagine there being some yesdevs in there that don't like other yesdevs work, there may be some who are jealous of circejerks not ALWAYS being on their game; its becomes a simple notion to create a negative condescending meme about your opponent and try to spread that meme to cover the truth of that yesdevs actual actions.

Iv seen it repeat over and over again. Best of all to the agdg games that have the most potential for success.
TLDR; The discord is full of people that dislike potentially successful games because of the jealously that surrounds them wanting a hugely or even potentially successful game of their own. Memes are created to SHUT people down.

>>165114706
Fuck off, the submissions aren't done yet.
I don't play any of the games until submission time has finished.

>>165114646
You know how french people spit to show disgust when you mention someone they hate? That's what they did when they were still steamchat whenever anyone tried to mention agdg. I got tired of the hypocrisy considering whenever demo day started or one of them was trying to start a game jam they acted like they were official agdg.

>>165115258
alright hold up bubba I'm gonna hit you with a summer of graphic design internship experience.

>>165114931
Haha I use the same shopkeeper in every single game. Same shop theme and everything, although he's a human in non-fantasy games.

>>165115482
>>165115312
Sounds incredibly cancerous. Why do we still let them submit games to our jams?

>>165112456
>unfinished but heavily advertised stuff selling 10x as much as finished games
Guess early access is the way to go

>>165115312
>TLDR; The discord is full of people that dislike potentially successful games because of the jealously that surrounds them wanting a hugely or even potentially successful game of their own. Memes are created to SHUT people down.
Truth.
>discord has less nodevs or source posting
Not true unfortunately. Many of those chat faggots have no game and source shitter has always been from chat.

>>165113572
He has taken plenty of advice from the /agdg/ thread and he has gotten leaps and bounds better for it. Maybe stop giving shit advice?

>>165115569
Just because they think they're exclusive (as all circle jerking cliques do) doesn't mean we need to be. The reality is they want to be a part of this party and have their own private party, but everyone in the main party knows the private partyers are faggots. And 4chan has never been a private party.

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So I made that change I was thinking about. Now hitscan attacks aim in a direction and automatically attack when they reach an enemy. Projectile attacks still require a manual delay.

Current issues are about what to do with the slider and the targeting line. It's going to be messy to make the slider only come up for certain lines the way it's currently set up, and I'm I'm not sure if the targeting lines should be there until the attack is actually completed or go away on turn start like it currently does.

When's the next gamejam guys?

>>165115860
It's just some salty chat fag attacking bokube because he can't do it with his name in the chat. That's what was meant by >>165113760

If I want to make a non-pixel art 2D game in GMS, would I have any particular issues (with scaling and whatnot) or would I be better off with things like Unity or Godot from the get-go?

>>165115941
That's some good insight breh. Been here since 2005 and I think it's easy to lose sight of that.

>>165116023
Late January.

>come up with idea
>excited to start devving
>remember i have to learn a new programming language + rewrite engine before i can start

m-maybe i'll just play some ace attorney instead

How close to being finished should my game be for me to show you guys it?

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>>165115258
okay, so here's a first version.
I put favorites off to the side because users may want to access that quickly, at the same time they may feel comfortable getting to it like the normal options.

>>165116320
Do half an hour now, anon. Just half an hour.

Then again tomorrow, and the day after, and 1.5 hours each day at the weekend. Before you know it, you'll be making good progress.

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Okay, /agdg/. I've spent literal days redrawing this character and I just can't seem to get it right. Am I getting caught up on stupid details? What's your process here.

>inb4 "is that an eye"
It's a helmet with a light.

>>165116361
As early as your first rainbow square

>>165116527
It's never going to have rainbow squares...

>>165116361
Box moving in a room and a general idea of what you want kind of want to create if someone asks you what your goal is.

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Man, I always struggle with adding enough negative space in my textures.

This is beginning to look okay, right?
I think I'll make the lower arms less detailed and probably adjust the colours a bit

>>165116497
I don't mind working for a while, it just sucks 'cause I'm a shitty programmer and I don't know how to fix all these fucking glitches oh god why do I even try

>>165116517
Give me like 10-15min

>>165116775
>I'm a shitty programmer
>write engine

>>165116361
start by showing off the fact you were able to get a window open

>>165116527
>he didn't start with a rainbow tri

>>165116775
There's no silver bullet anon, no magic solution. Just go through them one at a time. For each one, figure out what's causing it, using the tools available to you (you can get far with a debugger with breakpoints that lets you inspect values, and if all else fails you can use printf/commenting out code), and then come up with a solution. You can do it.

>>165116660
looks like a plaid hoodie

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: Fungus Amungus
Dev: Millien
Tools: Unity/C#
Web: N/A
Progress:
+ Added a new enemy type that shoots projectiles
+ Fixed a ton of bugs relating to projectiles
+ Added leveling and a skill tree
+ Created 4 new attack types
+ Started a better UI
+ Made the targeting indicator work with the new attack types
- Still barely any assets to make it actually mushroom-related
- Issues with how targeting indicators should work

What are some good free music programs for game dev? People have said things like acid? I don't need to be able to compose in it, just take in MIDI, apply soundfonts, tweak, and export.

>>165117186
>plaid hoodie
Haha, oh fuck

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>>165056220
>----[ Recap ]----
>Game: Gumball Spiral
>Dev: BB_Dev
>Tools: Unity, Blender, tarot cards and virgin blood
>Web: n/a
>Progress:
+ Sounds are "complete", went with a less is more approach
+ Laid groundwork for achievements and recording player meta stats (times died, cumulative points, etc)
Gonna to do music this week, I have no clue what I'm doing

Let's say I want to base an area of my game off an existing, real life area. It doesn't sound too hard, but the areas are spread far apart and highly developed/contains too many fucking houses and other buildings. Now I'm not trying to make a 1:1 copy of it so I have no problem with leaving out entire neighborhoods, but how big is too big? I want to try and avoid adding invisible walls, but then having entire areas of open land sounds boring. Though including loads of actual neighborhoods seems like it would be too much. I don't really know what to do.

>tfw people don't get one of your game mechanics
Guess it's time for a tutorial

>>165117307
Have an overworld.

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>>165116517
>>165116841
File name related but if you like it more power to you, anon.

>>165117484
looks better but also makes me realize pixel art would drive me insane

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whats an animation program that lets you play back animations at different speeds and lets you output all the frames into 1 image side by side like pic related

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>>165117484
Thanks anon, that looks great

>Ok I have an inventory on my o_player parent object
>Time to fill it with items to test it
>I have an o_item..I can generate some items to fill it with
>Wait.. I can't just make an instance of an item, if I create an item it needs a position and it'll be put into the room...
Fuck I just do not understand GML at all yet.

>>165117671
Pretty sure Flash has a feature that can turn an animation into a sprite sheet.

>>165117815
>I can't just make an instance of an item
GM is a meme

>>165117908
I'm sure I'll understand it if I just put more time into it... Maybe switching from monogame was a mistake

>>165117614
It can be relaxing if you put on some music or listen to podcasts while going at it.

>>165117680
Anytime. Have fun!

>>165117671
If you're making pixel art then Aseprite is a good choice. I don't actually know if you can playback at different speeds, I've never tried. But you can export a sprite sheets.

>>165118070
Not using a real language is.

>>165117815
You can deactivate it, which means it will act more like a "normal programming" object (it won't receive events, collide with things, or draw itself). It's not perfect, but it works. GM is just poor at abstraction.

>>165118070
Why exactly did you switch from Monogame ?
C# is a far better language than GML and you get to structure your game exactly the way you want without the limitations of GM.

>>165117671
>still using sprite sheets

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>>165117409
Maybe, but it's going to be an exploration game like Yume Nikki but with 3D models so that might feel a little out of place.

On the topic of that sort of game, is it possible to make looping maps in a 3D space? Would there be some sort of curvature on the map or would it be fucky at all? So let's take this map for example: if you started at the door and held right, you would eventually make it back to the door.

>>165116486
Yeah that looks good. The sort of information you show in the list really depends on the game, and what kind of items it has. You could also have it so selecting an item shows an expanded box with more detailed information about the item.

Trying to explain game dev ambitions to family is torture.

>How does making a game make you money
People buy your game
>How?
Through the internet
>What if the internet gets cyber attacked by Russia and is shut down

>>165118302
t. doesn't know how rendering works

>>165118404

They make a good point. What about the Russians stealing your game design?

>>165118423
asset sheets are the future anon.

>>165118296
I got really tired of fucking around with basic boilerplate stuff like window management and I wanted to make progress on core mechanics instead. Since I work full-time it was frustrating to come home, work on enginedev instead of gamedev, and not make much progress toward a finished game.

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: Locked Masts
Dev: ColdDev
Tools: Unreal
Web: N/A
Progress:
+Nailed the boat mechanics down, physics were a bitch (big success this one)
+Modeling work (Bar+brothel exterior is pictured)
+Added the halfdeck frame to the builder

when is TTYD?

>>165116660
Creepy.As.Fuck.

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Looking for some basic Gamemaker Studio help.
Why is "Enter input" event not recognizing my script name?

>>165118350
>On the topic of that sort of game, is it possible to make looping maps in a 3D space? Would there be some sort of curvature on the map or would it be fucky at all? So let's take this map for example: if you started at the door and held right, you would eventually make it back to the door.
You can use portals. It's not easy, because everything in between the GPU and any game engine assumes Euclidean space, but it's possible.

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>>165118482
And the Chinese

>>165118490
>I got really tired of fucking around with basic boilerplate stuff like window management
How is MonoGame not good in this department? From my fleeting experience with XNA you just derive from a base game class and that's already set up for you.

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>>165115312
yea man just look at this quality

>>165118487
That's shit flash tier animation since 99% of people can't get it to look good.

>>165118482
>>165118660
By the time they figure out how to copy your work without breaking it you'll have your next game released

No joke, this is how it works in some tech fields. They don't even bother with the copyright, they just stay ahead of the competition.

>>165118523
the thousand year door, child

>>165118350
There are a lot of potential things to consider when looping, but it depends on how complex it is. If you had a ton of blank space between the edge and any landmarks you could literally just move the player and their camera to the other side. Once you start implementing lots of things being able to loop it gets worse.

Do these AGDQ mongoloids just scroll through the catalog to find a thread instead of searching for it? Jesus.

>>165118523
When you go to AGDQ and not AGDG.

>>165118782
This is why I always write spaghetti code

>>165118896
Much of /v/ still use vanilla-chan so it's not surprising they can't into catalog queries.

>>165118727
It's "good" in that it's possible to do, but everything has to be set up by hand. All I need to do to get a game object drawn on a screen and have the window scale with resolution in GM:S is right click, create new object, create a sprite for it, and write a couple lines of gml.

If I could get screen resolution scaling working in my monogame engine (right now it stretches it all to fuck and I have no fucking clue why) I might wanna go back, but even then I'm worried that I'm doing something slightly wrong foundation-wise that won't show itself til I'm deep into development and it'll throw a wrench in everything.

I want to worry about making a game without worrying if my engine is a house of cards without me realizing it or not, and spending 5 times the time to get there.

>>165117815
Why would an inventory item need to be an object of its own? Just make your inventory a ds_list of item enum values, or ds_lists.

It's not like making an object instance at an x,y coordinate means anything when it has no collision or draws.

>>165118350
>>165118610
And like >>165118889 says, implementing portals (or something that's essentially equivalent) can be easy if you can avoid situations that would require complexity.

>>165118896
aggydaggy.com redirects to agdg search.

>>165118404
Don't bother with them anymore, anon. They dont respect you, and they dont respect games. Every time you take something to show them they're going to use it as an opportunity to shit on it/you.
t. projector

>>165119013
I guess. Maybe I'm just not used to doing it """The gamemaker way""", but when I think about populating an inventory, I imagine creating instances of item objects and putting them in a list, passing them around if they need to be dropped or sold.

>>165119013
GML is a garbage language with practically zero facilities for abstraction or code reuse so you'd be duplicating the item properties between the objects and the other thing, having to write code to marshal between them, etc.

>>165119128
Doesn't matter how many times I'm shit on, I will never not like make game

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>about two years playing around with game maker
>i still have no idea what's the difference in using repeat(), for() and while()

>>165118404
That's all very interesting anon. By the way, how is the job hunt going? I heard this local computer company called EA is looking for people, they do video games.

>>165119228
Just simulate a struct using a ds_map if you want a more advanced instance than storing the type of item.

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Hrm. To censor or not to censor...

>>165119470
>I have a great business idea for you anon! How about a remote control that can turn off anything!

>>165118404
I know that feel my parents are baby boomers who haven't touched a computer in their lives.

Its frustrating when they don't even think about the possibility of them not being able to understand it because they've never used the internet or tech or played games, but they have the nerve to tell me I won't make any money on "things that don't really exist because its in cyber-space".

Or the classic "You're just playing video games all day" when in reality its 24/7 dev but they cant tell your game apart because they don't play any.

Fucked me up when I was younger because I wanted that support from them for my dream to gamedev and I feel honestly retarded that I let their negativity about it rub off on me to the point where it probably has made me take longer on actually finishing a game.

>>165119510
>calm down, kid

>>165119510
Indie is still the wild west. Only self censor if that is a personal creative decision, not one based on social opinion.

>>165119228
>>165119490
What values does an item in the inventory need?

>>165119581
Have you tried telling them how Notch made a shit-ton of money from essentially a lego game?

Have you tried telling them that parents who discourage their childrens' ambitions should expect short shrift when they need help in their old age?

Have you tried telling them that discouraging an artist is what led to Hitler's rise to power?

>>165119581
Unsupportive parents are the worst anon.

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>>165118404
Was like that for me, Family was very down on me trying to make money making games. I told them to wait and see. Released my first game and it bombed and I made no money. Making second one now with lots of lessons learned, family is still down on me for continuing. Oh well. Atleast my stocks are doing very well so they can't get down on me for being completely broke.

Anyway so I've been watching video's of Mario Galaxy and Zelda and just looking at their camera system. I noticed something that Mario Galaxy does a lot, and does well, is that the camera is constantly shifting positions and zooming in/out when Mario walks into certain areas. It's so intuitive you don't even notice it when playing, it just moves to the spot that provides the best view for the current situation.

So with that said I'm thinking i'd like to try that for my game. Area's that when the player hits, the camera shifts to give the best view. After working a bit here it is with that type of system. Opinions?

>>165111990
I enjoyed this show.

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Today's progress:
- Worked on player, spell wheel, and some misc sprites
- Added functions to activate and deactivate spell icons (still buggy)
- Increased wheel speed

Still need:
- Everything else

>>165119706
A sprite, a name, a rarity value (normal, uncommon, rare, mythic, perfect, fabled), a name modifier ("of The Wastes", ", Destroyer of Worlds" etc), a base gold value, and a type (armor, decoration, food, etc).

>>165119883
cute af

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>>165118580
I have no idea what you're talking about :3

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Implemented particles that can rotate by their roll vector. Trying to use it to make gibbing look more visually interesting.

>>165118423
w-what do you use?

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Like this froggy senpai?

>>165120108
The chunks deforming on landing is surprisingly satisfying to see.

>>165119953

I'm stealing this

>>165119809
>How does playing the lottery make you money
You just have to win
>How?
Pick every correct number. Someone won once and they got $300m
>Oh ok, we support you!

>>165120168
Looks neat

>>165120226
it looks to me like they're just clipping through the floor

Should I be nervous about giving you guys links from my github account? It's linked to my social media stuff, pls no bully

>>165119851
Transparently minimum effort support is also pretty bad. One just watched the greenlight trailer on their phone, and never bothered to watch it on a real computer so they could see it properly/read the text/listen to the music. If my someday kid writes a book, I'm going to do more than just skim the inside cover.

>>165118610
>>165118889
>>165119040
Awesome, I'll definitely have to keep that in mind then. Thanks guys.

>>165119581
>hey mom and dead i want 2 make vidya gayms cuz i love gaym
>hey mom and dad i want 2b a software engineer and work on APPS and desktop applications because BILL GATES 'N SHIT
Guess which one works better.

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What the actual fuck

>>165120365
Make sure all your social networks are private and you'll be okay.

>>165119883
All those logs in front of the door is a pretty videogamey progress indicator, nicely done

however cant you just walk around the end of the river?

>>165117307
>>165118350
you've gotta consider your entire design here. no idea how big too big is.
yume nikki has a sort of design that works with having big monotonous environments. you have a very limited view and can only move in 4 directions. the environments tend to be very repetitive. however, the interactable things tend to be unambiguous and stick out. entering a new area then becomes a sort of systematic activity of methodically revealing more of the map to yourself and relying on objects as waypoints and the like, looping over and over, until you find something that sticks out. it's a gamey thing, it's basically satisfying, even though you're mostly just walking/bicycling.
another thing: your orientation never changes in yume nikki. up is always up, left always left. this aids in its type of exploration gameplay. if yume nikki had the same exact structure and maps, but was a 3d first person game, it would probably be much more boring. exploring would be a much less systematic thing and would become kind of random and tedious, because the player would be unable to be reliably orientated, and would lose track of where they were very easily. that is, if their view was as limited as it is in yume nikki due to the orthographic perspective.

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>>165120226
>>165120346
That's exactly what's happening. I've been too lazy to adjust the bounding box of the larger gib model.

>>165120382
>Great anon, now go to college and get $40k in debt before making a single dime instead of self-teaching through the internet for free

Is there an overlap in Incremental Game and Disgaia fanbases? Both seem like they are get big numbers so you have big number games, but seems like would have different approaches to narrative with Disgaea having it as important and desirable while idle games would find this a pain because of interfering with their ability to click. How to compromise this?

>>165118605
I suppose what I'm trying to ask is, to reference the script I'm using (scr_wordCount in this case) is the script known as scr_(name) or (name)? Am I even referencing it right?
The manual only tells me about the script_execute command, but the tutorial I'm following currently isn't even using that.

>>165051297
Kinda tempted to say that Demo Day 9 was our peak... Hopefully we can reach that height again someday.
>>165079654
Please add 32 bit version
>>165081107
Owlboy 2: Rise of Towelboy
>>165081786
B is good
>>165087762
Does this get lewd? N-not into furry or anything, I just have roommates...

>>165120382
What you wrote:
>hey mom and dad i want 2b a software engineer and work on APPS

What they heard:
>hey mom and dad i'm going to go be a lazy fuck who'se going to burn a lot of time and money to be a failure and be unable to support you in your older age which was the whole reason you gave birth to me
>also even if I succeed at being a lazy hippie bum who are you going to brag about my success to? your high class friends will just laugh at you.

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>>165120425

>>165120536
The System had a very tight grip on the boomer generation.

>>165120536
As someone who interviews people, probably 90% of people without a bachelors degree are terrible coders. People with a BS are only like 50% bad coders.

Besides that, you have to be amazing to make it past someone in HR because almost every company will just filter out people without degrees.

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>>165120425
>cougar-stiff
Hey I got that too.
>milf-next-door

>>165114007
You're right on the money
The floor option will only show up in dungeons, it's just here so i can get the spacing right

>>165119128
>>165118404
>>165119851
>>165119581
>>165119883
Know that feeling too fucking well.

Pouring your heart and soul into something, and parents, grandparents, extended family all gather around to talk shit about it and you.
Fuck family.

>>165120713
And people who went to bootcamps are 99% bad coders...

>>165120713
Its true that a degree is still basically a necessity to get a job, but I've heard (and I'm hopeful) that the credibility of a degree is slowly dying in favor of actual experience and portfolios.

>>165120531
Then it is really effective. I think part of it is that there is a very slight slide going on (at least thats how it appears) after they hit. It almost makes it looking like a jiggle before settling like a glob really did hit the ground and deform.

>>165120827
I don't know what's worse, having them outright not support you, or having them support you and still love you but you can tell they're being let down.

>>165120639
>you're born only to serve your parents and not yourself
nice meme

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>>165120000
Just feed this into your item generator.

>>165119581
You're biggest issue is indeed you let your parents get to you. If you ignore them and work your hardest on what you love that has more chance of success OF COURSE than sulking about how much your parents hate you for your passion.

Let that be a lesson to everyone here. One of the biggest paths to yesdev is ignoring the nodevs that will try to SHUT YOU DOWN.

>>165120916
I mean, maybe. But if your experience is a few small-scale self-taught games I'm not going to hire you. I always see people posting about how to get game programming jobs saying "oh yeah, you don't need a degree, just spend a year or two making games for a portfolio". Ok, maybe try 6-8 years and we'll talk.

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officially announcing my roguelike game

Game: Project-EE
Dev: Gobekli Tepe
Tools: Godot

Progress:
+ experimenting with creating tile shapes and randomization
+ began work on first stage
+ created procedure for first floor
+ randomly places stairs of random direction
+ began working on 2nd floor procedure
- nothing exists in this project besides stuff for random floor generation

>>165120916
It'll probably just turn into needing a degree and a portfolio to get your foot in the door.

In my home country, there's a lot of really crappy CS/SE degree courses available, that basically teach one language (Java or C#), one database, and no theory. I feel sorry for people who sign up for them, they've been sold a complete lemon.

Help me out fampais

I'm trying to make an rpg, and I need some kind of guide on how to organize and structure everything. Too many tutorials online are "here's how to do this one specific thing" rather than about top level organization

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>>165056220
----[ Recap ]----
Game: Frost
Dev: Way
Tools: GMS
Web: spacedoggames.tumblr.com
Progress:
+ started again after hiatus
+ started remaking menus
+ drew world map
+ a lot of misc level fixes in overworld

>>165121210
This should help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRkpvvop3I

>>165121059
It is a nice meme. We've built many societies on it.

>>165120916
Are we talking about games?

Because having experience working in the industry iv seen more AAA studios hire indies who have finished good games without degrees VS degree babies who claim they didn't want to make a game until they got hired by a big studio.

Coding for software/engineering I'm sure you need a degree for 100% but this is gamedev we are talking about here.

You think they would hire some fuck fresh out of college and has made nothing vs the guy who made undertale, stardew valley, or minecraft?

>>165121109
This. The value of a good degree cannot be overstated.

Self-taught folk almost always know very little theory, and so struggle with new concepts because they simply don't have the grounding for them.

>>165121236
that looks pretty

>>165121297
Let's be honest, there's no way anyone would hire the guy who made Undertale as a programmer.

>>165121345
It can be easily overstated if we're talking about the games industry. In the industry your greatest asset is your pedigree -- your successes, reputation, and network.

>>165120108
the more i look at those rotating blood splats, the weirder they look. how bout stamping them onto the floor/walls?

>>165121087
I see, so I save the items as a list of values basically, and then if I need I can generate item objects from it? That the idea? Is that more efficient than creating deactivated objects?

What does that | operator do, I'm guessing it's a key accessor or something?

>>165120551
you reference a script by using its full name. In this case using "scr_wordCount" is correct
Show us your scr_wordCount and your press Enter event

>>165121264

anon pls

>>165121401
All the more reason for a studio to want to buy him for a director or something. Toby has said himself hes declined many deals with undertale after its successful
(an example being hot topic wanting to make clothes and toys of the undertale characters).

>You made a million dollar game with shit programming and by yourself? You're hired!

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>if you don't use a variable in a shader in monogame it cuts the variable out at runtime
>if you're passing stuff to the shader, and one of the variables that you pass isn't used, the whole thing crashes because it's trying to pass info to a variable that doesn't exist because monogame decided to cut it out

>>165121165
Hey you have to do it in the specific format, it NEEDS to have ----[ Recap ]---- in the post or it will not pick it up

>>165120470
nah, invisible barriers

>>165120551
You could have a variable called script and give it the value of 'noone' in your create event. Then you can assign it a value when needed like
script= scr_wordCount and then when you need to use it you can use script_execute(script) which will then call whatever you assigned to script.

You do though, as far as I recall, need to use script_execute() in order to call a script.

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>>165121383
ty

>>165121582
Why are you passing information to a variable that isn't used?

>>165120827
Well I don't know about fuck them. But it sure would have been nice if I got support from them from the get-go instead of years where I spent not doing this because of the constant self questioning from their extreme doubts.

>>165121638
You don't need to use script_execute at all

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>>165121618
>invisible barriers

>>165121345
I disagree, self-taught folk that actually have finish good games throughout video game history have had a natural talent to understand "ground" without the help of a 100x person studio and still finish their work.

That is x100 more value than a degree baby who has only made simple quickly made non-commercial products for school assignments and they struggle with concepts because they didn't figure things out for themselves which is funny because 50% of gamedev is self institution with experience.

You have to with time and experience get better at level design or art or programming, the kind of "getting better" that is only done when you take your work to a professional commercial level.

Anyone who believes that EVERYONE needs college for gamedev is trying to get you in debt.

>>165121474
Yeah. This should be lighter than an object instance and you don't need to worry about it existing in the world space. When you drop the item I imagine you'll want an object instance, but you can just write a script to copy these values over to it.
You're right about |. That just tells GM it's looking for a ds_list. Each ds_ has it's own one, and you can use @ to make regular arrays faster.

The thing with the ds_ data structures is that there's no garbage collection, so you'll have to manually delete them when the game's done with them.

>>165121712
Because I wanted to make sure it was being passed properly first. Didn't expect everything to break

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>>165121618

>>165121923
>The thing with the ds_ data structures is that there's no garbage collection, so you'll have to manually delete them when the game's done with them.
So during the o_monster's destroy event I'll need to call ds_list_destroy(inventory), it doesn't do that automatically?

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>>165121528
Here it is. The difference between mine and the tutorials I've noticed is his scr_wordcount is a purple color, while mine is orange. I assume purple is the color for when it recognizes a script.
>>165121638
I see how that could work, but even then it's that I'm just trying to follow a tutorial, and I've checked over for differences a couple times to find no differences, yet his works.

>Everything works fine in Unity editor
>Run and build game
>Everything breaks
Why though

>>165122106
Correct.

>>165121923
As a second question, will I have to make use of this when I store the list of item properties within the inventory list?
https://docs.yoyogames.com/source/dadiospice/002_reference/data%20structures/ds%20lists/ds_list_mark_as_list.html

>>165121864
I think the main problem is people don't understand you need a minimum of 4 years of experience working 20+ hours a week on only programming to even be considered viable for a professional programming job. That's what grads are working with, and most grads are still bad coders. Programming for a games company has even stricter requirements than other programming jobs, and you're probably looking at ~10,000 hours of experience before you can comfortably land one.

>>165122180
Yep, I'm having similar problems with my new conversations. My sympathies anon.

>>165121614
what picks it up?

>>165122203
Wew, thanks for all the help. I used to think I understood how to program generally, but if GML is giving me this much trouble... I'm rusty af at "learning new things" at the very least.

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>>165120608
>Does this get lewd? N-not into furry or anything, I just have roommates...

Not really, unless you are into ankles.

Is the dev still here? There are afew bugs that come up.

>>165122180
I've seen someone answer a question like this by saying that the game has library dependencies that don't exist/aren't properly represented outside of the editor? Sorry if I'm totally wrong, I don't actually know.

>>165122291
A script that will run in the next day or so. The script just looks for that phrase and auto makes a picture out of it.

It's run by a user, not a mod/janitor, as well

>>165119510
what program?

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>>165122106
Yeah that's the idea. However, because in this scenario the inventory is going to be a ds_list of ds_lists, it's going to be slightly more annoying than what you've written as each ds_list has to be destroyed individually.

>>165122572
Unity.

>>165122590
Please change your background from white, you'll be able to work much longer and not kill your eyes.

>>165122620
Oh woe, Looks nice for a text based game.

>>165122646
I only use Notepad++ when I'm writing code to help people, my GM is black.

>>165122590
https://docs.yoyogames.com/source/dadiospice/002_reference/data%20structures/ds%20lists/ds_list_mark_as_list.html
>
NOTE: Once a ds_list has had a value within it flagged as another list or map, destroying the list will also destroy the marked lists and maps too. This means that you do not have to manually go through the list contents and destroy the marked data structures individually before destroying the "parent" list.

According to this if I mark the value as a list then it'll get destroyed automatically with the parent list. Is there some weird overhead performance reason or serializing reason I shouldn't do this or something?

>>165122150
yellow means it recognises it's a script
throw in a "show_debug_message( "count: " + string(string_count(" ", longString) + 1));" on line 2 of your word count scriptto see if it's actually working
if the correct count shows up in your debug log during runtime then your scripts are all fine but your draw code is wrong.

Is "wordCount" variable declared in your Create event?

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>>165122773
I do like to polish. Also, I felt like atoning for the UI sins I committed with Verge.

>>165119510
How are you visually scripting this in Unity?

>>165122835
Nah, that sounds good. I just didn't know it existed.

>>165119510
>conversation visual scripting with character icons
that's really neat
but seriously don't self censor

>>165122257
i think the main problem is people don't understand that it's 2017 and you can solve any and all problems requiring deep cs knowledge by downloading ue4/unity. cs degrees in indie gamedev are literally irrelevant. but if you really fancy a cs education, you can attend https://ocw.mit.edu/index.html for free and then pirate state of the art papers to further educate yourself.

>>165122926
By paying money. I'm using Adventure Creator and Dialogue System for Unity to handle the majority of my point-and-click game's needs and Playmaker for whatever those two don't cover.

>>165122180
Theres an asset called Reporter or something that lets you easily see Debug messages at runtime. You make a circle motion with your cursor and it pops up a window, there you can see things like null references etc

DESU they should be charging for it, but its free, so get it

>>165123042
Dang. However they did it it's a clever idea.

>>165122948
My knowledge of GML is a fucking house of cards, but it seems like this "with(var)" bullshit flies completely in the face of single responsibility. Should I just give up standard programming conventions and try my best not to have the spaghetti overtake me when I'm using GMS or are there really ways to have clean, maintainable code?

>>165123041
Of course you don't need one for indie/hobbyist development. Only if you want a stable job with income that you can survive off of.

Otherwise you pray to God you win the indie lottery and everyone buys your game.

>>165119510
I feel happy knowing I'm not the only one that bought Dialogue System for Unity. Not alone...

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>>165123081
It's just a bunch of editor-integrated scripts. You too can make snazzy stuff in Unity if you study up how its inspector stuffs work. I made this thing a while back for a prototype that didn't get far off the ground and it didn't take me too much time.

>>165123087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AcTLAe4kk

>>165123259
Oh, and not shown in the picture: I also built a Faction Maker which lets me rapidly stamp out a bunch of those, saving each one as an asset I load up later.

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>>165111990
Best movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2UyehrkHaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWM3tzzH08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Th8JGsJuo

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>>165122845
wordCount is a variable in create event,
>wordCount = 0;
I added the debug command into the word count script and now... it has no error. I even removed that and it has no error still, works perfectly. Now I'm even more confused. Is my program messed up? Just DL'ed it a few hours ago. When I boot up GameMaker Studios, it keeps telling me there's a script error. I hit OK and it lets me use the program like normal.

Dev question: how much would adding a string matching function slow down a game? It would be done in real time.

>>165123241
I've got about $1000 to $1500 worth of assets in my account with the asset store. The vast majority of those being engine add-ons and time-saving systems.

>>165123087
I just make it up as I go. I don't know too much about standard programming conventions because I haven't really done programmer school.

The with statement has it's uses.
Like with(instance_create()){} is probably the closest you'll get to a constructor and using with() with an object index can be used as a for each with object instances.

If I'm just doing side effects I tend to just do var.val instead of with(var){val}

>>165123262
Fucking christ... How do people keep track of their code with massive games like hyperlight drifter??

>>165123378
Even though it was a combo of "DUDE WEED LMAO" and "DUDE VIDEO GAMES LMAO", it still tickled me in both ways. My parents always crack up laughing when they let the monkey drive them to the office.

>>165123378
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Th8JGsJuo
I can't figure out what he's drinking at 0:30

>>165123408
Is string equal to string?
Fuckall unless you're going nuts.

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Got multiple enemy turns working and added some simple animations so it doesn't look so static. Really need to make an actual character to use instead of the random Raichu, but art is harrrrrd.

just TWO HOURS LEFT
still time to hit that publish for linux button

>>165123606
I'm trying to save this game as fast as I can, anon. Even though it'll ultimately be a futile action, I can delude myself into thinking these two hours will make a difference and will actually make anons interested in playing it!

>>165123549
From the name and it being a dissoluble, probably some caffeinated nonesense.

>>165123524
I can't tell you what best practices are but I can tell you that HLD isn't a particularly massive game (other than physically in its gamespace) and if you keep a good mind of not burying yourself in a pile of spaghetti you could easily manage a project of that size. The asset generation was the real bitch in making that game, I guarantee it.

>>165123383
get_string is a debug command so it probably doesn't like it
I've never used it, and you won't use it for a real game, so don't worry too much about it

>>165123758
ok, thanks bro

>>165123073
>Reporter
It isn't free, desu senpai

>unity babies unironically pay for debug info

>>165124058
There's always the option of making it yourself. Who knows how long that'll take.

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Good night, Aggies

>>165111990
>>165119927
This is my favorite ep

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x50cf3d_code-monkeys-s01e09-todd-loses-his-mind_fun

Todd is best gamedev. Jerry and Dave are normies who prob dev on apple

>>165123943
Meant this one
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/12047

I've recently realised that I might not be able to make things as generic and reusable as possible, so I may as well just get everything together the hard way as long as it fits in scope. Currently it'll be messy as fuck to make new abilities, as I'll have to do a bunch of stuff by hand, but there's only a maximum of 8 more I would need to make.

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>>165124197
hola DEA

How do I run from the fucking apathy and motivation loss

>>165124197
>Row of creepy heads in jars along a shelf.png

>>165124912
Make a game you can beat and see all of the content of in 30 seconds. I find the best motivation is success and the best teacher is failure.

That or maybe step away from your comp for a while and watch tv etc - whatever you do to decompress.

what all do I have to upload for Unity on itch.io? I tried the web browser thing by uploading my .unity3d file, but the game wont play for me, it just sits on the unity load page. How can I add a downloadable executable, is all I need the .exe?

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>>165124197

>>165125042
>you can beat and see all of the content of in 30 seconds
Pretty neat idea. Thanks senpai.

>>165125048
I mean, you need to upload the thing it takes to make a game play on a computer, so yeah, the .exe would probably be that thing.

>>165124912
Find a deeper, darker hole than those and scare the fuck out of yourself at the thought of ending up there instead of crawling your ass out of the one before you. Then start climbing.

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So this is the power of Unreal Engine 4.

I have to admit I used to really hate Blueprints but after just giving myself over to them, the Blueprint workflow is pretty cool. I also like how UE4 heavily encourages you to do everything as "prefab" to use Unity terms. Also nested prefabs are a thing.

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I do pixel assets.

Served on first replied first served basis.

>>165125439
recreate the lord of the rings trilogy using pixel art

>>165125439
draw me a mascot character for my game
bonus challenge: the game is a secret

>>165112761
I played meat boy with the analog stick

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>>165125439
Have at it. Whatever springs to mind with this guy.

What do you consider enginedevving? Making something without the help of an engine like unity? Without using frameworks? Without using libraries? Without using a high level language?

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wew lads, made it to demo day. haven't made it in months, but I'm back in action.

https://baron-games.itch.io/defense-of-the-beacon-3d

>>165125746
start with nothing but opengl or less

>>165125705
On it.
>>165125734
Will do.

>>165125746
>What do you consider enginedevving?
Retarded.

>>165125210

teach me the ways fampai

>>165122338

Post the bugs to his itch.io page so he doesn't miss them.

>>165124259
This is even better
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4zqdew

>>165125048
you need to build your game, so you get an .exe and a (gamename)_data folder. then you zip the folder container the .exe and the (gamename)_data folder and upload that to itch.io.

>/agdg/ unironically likes Code Monkeys
Code Monkeys is everything wrong with Gamer culture

>>165126356
*containing not container

I'm eyeing that game dev humble bundle, mainly for Spriter.

Should I though?

>>165126437
Shutup grandpa.

2D game where you can move any direction, with a virtual joystick do you prefer light push for slow, push farther for faster, or very light pushes ignored, just one speed if you're pushing enough to get feedback at all?

I've been testing some things for a game that will include mobile, but when I test on PC with a controller I tend to just push all the way and tap to manage small movements, and a controller would be even easier to do light movements with than a touch screen.

Or maybe I should just include both under options?

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Updated my demo
https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-12/rate/110539

- mission rewards tripled
- weapons can be upgraded now
- fixed some bugs

what determines the order the games are listed on demo day page? nobody is going to see my game!

>>165126742
Nobody's going to see mine either, anon. That's alright. If you didn't submit until the last minute part of the breaks is - you're likely to head up the rear as comes folks downloading and playing your game.

>>165127007
>head up the rear
heh

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What's your stance on making games mobile first anons?

>>165127150
That mobile is a market more crowded than steam and greenlight combined.

Are there any good sprite editors that are free as in freedom?

the one I used to like (aseprite) changed their license to be non-free, and while it was OK it also works really shitty when you don't have a mouse.

>>165127150
>mobile
>"games"

>>165127408
>when you don't have a mouse

You don't have a crappy $5 USB Mouse lying around? Those are some dire conditions, anon.

>>165127524
I can't use it lying in bed or on the go

perhaps that was some bad wording

>>165126742
I think its the amount of people downloading or playing in comparison.

>>165127150
Moreso than any other market, mobile profit comes directly from money spent on marketing
Unless you're sitting on a 5 digit + budget, don't even bother

>>165127150
>What's your stance on making games mobile first anons?

From my experience, marketing is the single most important thing. I spent months working on my game, and nobody got it, simply because I didn't have anyone viewing it to even see if they want to download it.

This includes building up a fanbase as you go along the dev cycle, contacting sites to review your game/asking popular youtube stars to play/showcase it, and even paying a bunch of pajeets to give you a 5-star review on your game (They have sites dedicated to this. I think $5 gives you something like 1000 reviews.)

>>165127426
Mobile games are actually fun to make and play. Agdg just hates them because they still want to win awards for being the 5th indie game dev of the year. Those times are long gone.

>>165127150
Speaking of which, why isn't Stardew Valley on mobile? I think dev could make gazillion dollars there

>>165127842
>Mobile games are actually fun
Clicking on a colored shape that pops up and hearing a sound effect as you collect coins isn't fun

>>165127949
it is fun if you're an animal and you get a treat every once in a while

>>165127949
Shows the extent of your creativity.

>>165123408
If you're doing it once? Not at all. If you're doing it thousands of times per frame on different strings? Yeah, that'll likely be significant.

>>165112092
I really like these, saved some of your attempts from the previous thread. They are just good to look at.

Is one of her eyes missing, or are they just closed, by the way?

>>165127150
reminder that when you're looking at how much a market makes in totality is a terrible benchmark for estimating it's value to you as a developer.
what you want to know is the median sales (not the average).

Is Microsoft going to buy out Unity or something? They have integrated support with Visual Studio now and it seems like they've partnered to Hololens development

>>165125857
You can't do anything with just OpenGL, anon.

Well, I guess it's time to start packing this thing up even though there's still almost nothing to do here. It doesn't have a particularly strong opening, the dialog is super unpolished, and a lot of the art assets need some work.

But it does run -- and people can walk around, look at things, and talk to a kid. I guess I'll just call it a tech demo and push it to itch. I guess I can't expect much since I only technically started making this build of Metanoia: The Sacrifice four days ago.

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>>165128070
>normie casuals kept busy with digital bubblewrap
>pc gaming left pure and uncompromised