/AGDG/ - Amateur Game Development General

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Recoloring everyone to make them white took a while, but it was done.

>>164252141
Looking better and better.

Refugee simulator?

>>164251974
>making the thread early just to force your new fucked up OP
nice, love this meme

lolidev did literally nothing wrong

>>164252253
thx famalam just trying my best!

>>164252280
>lolidev did literally nothing right
ftfy

Happy new year you fucks

>1.3 seconds to generate 2k unique combinations

ok negro watch me

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>>164252176
>Randomizing is the same as shuffling, and if you want to keep them unique you have to generate a suspect and then check if there's no one like it in the list of already generated suspects, so you are pretty much doing a bogo sort kind of problem, very inefficient.
Honestly, I've been drinking so I misunderstood the original post. A better way to put it would be...

That I would store data in a real number, with each digit representing flag. So instead of eye color and deformations and hair color and height all being distinct variables, it'd boil down to a series of base 10 or 16 numbers stored in one long number. Like, with the first place determining eye color, the next for hair, the next for race, the next four for their height, the next two for their occupation, etc.

I mentioned randomization because I figured that all this data applies to randomly generated characters, which it might not, in the end. I'm not sure. I'm rollin deep

How would you go around designing an ability system that would supposedly be able to encompass most abilities?

For example, the ability to create up to 52 copies of yourself, each one is extremely weak and has a 1 minute respawn timer after death.

The ability to freeze up to 3 simultaneous objects within 20 meters of yourself.

Teleport within 10 meters on a 5 sec cool down.

Immunity to damage for 2 seconds on a 10 sec cool down

Ability to freely control tables

>>164252253
as someone who went out of their way a few times to revert the op from memetastic butchering, i appreciate this and previous ones' attempt at compromise through separating the links with |s instead of newlines, making the whole thing more condensed while keeping the entirety of content

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>>164252643
>this post

>>164252643
>full sail dropout shitposting
Wow. Just wow.

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>>164252621
it's 0.001, actually under 0.01 seconds.
started at 1.319, ended at 1.320, check the screenshot.

is he gone?
is it safe to post?

>>164252391
A tileset contains multiple tiles, using set_cell(x, y, 0) on a tilemap will set the cell of the tilemap to the 0 tile in the tileset. 1 will be the 1 tile in the tileset, and so on.

>>164252960
>Time to attack myself like a maniac because I'm insane and think it's a genius tactic
What a relief. For a second I thought you were attempting to interact with game devs as if you knew what you were talking about. Good one. Ebin troll.

>>164253087
He's right there: >>164252643

So clearly not.

while ( dummies.size() < something ) { // or what ever
new dummy;
hair = random_hair();
eye = random_eye();
brain = random_brain();
if ( !dummies.quick_find( dummy ) ) {
dummies.add_sorted( dummy );
}
}

>>164252663
code it

>>164253173
>he's doing this on NY Eve

L... Lol?

>>164252663
How many games have you seen that in, anon? Ever wondered why that is?

Report shitposters to clean up thread early

>>164253068
ok doesn't matter, watch me

How do I start making an electronic TCG? I have no idea what to do.

>>164253314
there are no janitors on new years, sadly

>>164253173
It should be clear by the stupidity of the things he argues that he's just trolling. He says stupid things about math, static lights, game design or whatever and once someone corrects him he tries to turn it into a meme like that will make him right. Bizarre and desperate behavior you might say.

>>164253205
that's close to a bogo sort. The wost possible way to solve this problem.
It's like throwing a deck of cards in the air, picking them up, checking if they are in order, and repeating if not.
It will go very fast for the first couple of values, but as your list grows the amount of checks you need to do becomes the bottleneck.

>>164253308
>have you seen that in, anon?

seen in that?

What do you mean

>>164253387
just copy mtg

>>164253387
No idea how to program a game, or no idea how TCG work? You really need the later more than the prior, honestly.

>>164252663
You can make a super class that has a grab-bag of many different effects where methods implement parts or wholes of those effects. You expose the methods as individual entities of the class and then a new ability will have some list of those entities that it wants.

It is still a clusterfuck, but allows you to mix up abilities. If you can separate different effects into sub-catagories, such as on-hit effect/blah, then the logic of how you can mix them can be a little more manageable.

In the end it is, if you want it then you have to code it.

>>164253439
he's sort of close. the proper way is to encode all combinations into a single number, so roughly like 0 for appearance and 4 for eyes is 0 + (4 + numAppearances).

Now that you have all enums represented by a single value, you have two choices: randomly pick 2000 numbers, storing them in a hashmap and checking if they're been picked yet (O(1) time) or store a counter and increment it 2000 times between the minimum valid number and the maximum valid number - incrementing it randomly by some amount such that you cannot reach the end before making 2000 characters.

>>164251974
For 2017 I want to get discipline so I can stop relying on motivation. I just want to make game.

How do I discipline?

>>164253439
Except we know the amount of dummies we want and we know the possible combinations are much higher than that amount. If we implement our sort and search in any sane way this will run faster than having many nested loops and is dead simple because look at it.

>>164253585
I've played a few TCGs here and there so I understand the basics. I'm just stuck with the programming part.

>>164254024
player vs computer like those single player MTG games, or player vs player like MTG:Online?

Or we can:

for ( some_trait : some_trait_set ) {
for ( random number amount ) {
new dummy
trait = some_trait;
hair = random
feet = random
beard = random
... // so on for as many as you like
add( dummy );
}
}

Still feels bad, but slightly better, maybe

Agdgs, should I follow Sebastian Lague's Unity tutorials or the official Unity tutorials?

>>164254329
Just like make game

>>164254112
Player vs Computer for now.

>>164253693
2000

yeah I want to see this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6tIf8ZWSFc

>>164254329
put your aggy in my daggy

>>164253829
Tell yourself you'd rather be dead then complete X and mean it.

>>164253693
>2000 times between the minimum valid number and the maximum valid number - incrementing it randomly by some amount such that you cannot reach the end before making 2000 characters.

Oh, yeah. Of course that is it.

Well, my point was just that he was doing it the worst way and any other way you can think within reason is better.

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Of the engines listed in the op/on the AGDG site, which is the most adaptable? Like, which one has the widest range of efficient/practical application? I just wanna avoid learning a program and then finding out it's really only good for one niche of game types. Is there one that has more ubiquitously applicable fundamentals. Once that, once learned, can be applied to other systems, more than the alternatives? Like how once you learn photoshop or illustrator or the like, you can half-way figure out other image editing programs.
My current MO is to teach myself programming and make a simple pong clone or something for practice, and then work on one of two brain eggs; both of which would be 2D (a platformer and an adventure game). Finishing self-teaching by April, and beginning the development of one of the actual two projects by April or May (I'm a student and work part-time too). There are other ideas that I think would make cool games, which something like Unreal would probably be best for since they're 3D and ideally very pretty, but jumping into something like that would be foolish, so I figure I'll start with pong and move into a mega-man/zelda situation.

I already went to teh AGDG site, but it's information is much more general that what I hoping for.

>>164254493
ok, in that case I'd suggest you start with a simpler card game and build up from there
so, make a black jack game
by the end of that, you'll have systems in place for decks, hands, dealing cards, cards in play area, etc

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visual bugs are the best part of gamedev

>>164254793
Game Maker.

>>164253693
that sounds like an absolute number look up nightmare to work with.

>>164254793
>Finishing self-teaching by April
heh

>>164221119
http://store.steampowered.com/app/262410/

>>164254793
if you are sure about going for 3d, then your options are Unity or Unreal, either would be fine
if you really want to learn programming, then c++ and either SFML or SDL

>>164254924
it is not that bad. you write it once and it's done forever, infinitely* scalable (until you go beyond the size of uint64)

>>164254795
(your MC is a QT)

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>>164254189
Chance of dupes there.

>>164253881
>>164253693
I'm too lazy to write a jsFiddle of this right now, but I think it would be worse, and the thing with the O(1) lookup time is that the hash could take a long ass time to compute and you are still going through a list of hashes to get the actual value, so the performance might be even worse (not sure though, Ive only ever used hasmaps, never implemented one myself).

I'm done with it, the solution works, it gives uniformly distributed suspects, and computes super fast anyways, so I think there's no need to over engineer it. I'm now working on a city map generation to diversify the scenery in the game.

Anyways, pretty glad my shitty code got you guys interested.

>>164254795
New meaning to pear shaped figure.

>>164255129
she a pear nigga

>>164255068
If your doing what I think your doing.unnecessary optimization.

that is funny though, reminds me of a time I tried to make a game with the earth to scale down to 5*5 foot squares. I could have did it but thats a lot of squares.

>>164255362
yeah I think the for loops is fine for this case, but the conversation seemed to steer towards theoretical better ways. if it was something that took 5+ seconds or had to be done in regular intervals then you'd want to change it

>>164252663
Make an Ability class. Give the Ability class a list of IAbilityEffects. All these novel effects have to be their own class which implements IAbilityEffect.

IAbilityEffect is a few simple functions like UseAbility(onTarget) and useAbility(onLocation).

Is lumberyard usable? What language does it use for scripting?

>>164255028
3D would be later, if after I finish one of the 2D projects I feel more confident in my abilities than I am about whichever project I didn't do. A 2D platformer or adventure game would be the first order of business after practice pong. And yes, I very much intend to learn proper programming, so I will google SFML and SDL.

Related:
How much of unity's reputation for putting out buggy games is actually the system's fault?

>>164254978
Just the basics. I'm sure I'll still be learning through and past the second project.

>>164254793
2d go with game maker
3d go with unreal or unity

that's really the only defining factor. all three are general purpose engines that should be able to do whatever you want in them.

unless you're trying to make an mmo or some dumb shit

>>164255549
>How much of unity's reputation for putting out buggy games is actually the system's fault?
it's always the programmers fault

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>>164253768

it's a weird room. it actually starts in the water and is completely helpless. fire projectiles evaporite immediately as it fires them while submerged. and since it moves slower underwater and pushes itself backwards when firing the bomb, it will potentially never leave water. (pic. unrelated)

>>164255586
> unless you're trying to make an mmo or some dumb shit
10 years ago I probably would be

>>164255586
>2d go with game maker
it doesn't make sense to recommend game maker to someone who wants to learn programming

It's like the generated everything universe that everyone goes through. If it goes to far you end up with "open sky on steam now". I think everyone goes through that?

>>164255920
bullshit. gm is one of the easier ways to ease somebody into coding/general gamedev workflow. worked for me.

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Some weapons so far, polishing required but it gives an idea of what I'm going for.
I'm the kind of mad man who wants 100+ weapons in this so all suggestions are welcome.

>>164255924
then you get stuck in the big open world simulator, then some crafting game. maybe just me.

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>>164253068
example combos

http://pastebin.com/gCkm8E9f

pic related is times, the 0.003 is when i accidentally ran the algorithm while i was still writing the result of the previous algorithm to a text file. also, my algorithm always produces exactly the amount of unique combos i tell it to and never ever iterates over every possible combination unless i tell it

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>>164256003
>>164255920
I'm going to be learning C++, and probably other languages, as part of my day-job training (Computer Sciences. & Information Technologies). Anything I can do to get a lead is going to help though, so I'll google the aforementioned guides(?) regardless of what system I go with.

>>164255524
Pretty much the only languages that don't use c++ are Unity and Game Maker.

>>164256003
It's one of the easier ways to teach someone all the worst ways to program.

>>164254795
>Bug becomes feature.

>>164256194
wait i made a mistake ignore that

>>164256194
cool, code?

>>164256003
I don't see it that way
it's like recommending someone who wants to be an architect to first spend a few months building things with Legos
Yeah, they could do that, and they might learn something
but it would make more sense to start them on Legos when they were 5 years old, not when they're an adult

>>164256234
Also, how does the legality of the free-versions of these systems usually work? Just be sure to buy the full version before you release?

>>164256489
there is no cost associated with C++ or SFML or SDL, they're free

>>164255084
(I don't get tired of hearing it. thanks!)

>>164256423
>>164256248
What would you guys recommend then, aside from Game Maker?

>>164256602
just learn to program and then use a real programming language
then you can choose whatever you like best among unity, ue4, sdl, sfml, etc

>>164256539
> okay, but what about systems like GM or Unreal?

>>164256602
game maker is good for a beginner. If your plans get to big, you will run up against a wall.

>>164256695
unreal is also free
after your game makes $x in sales, you then start paying y% royalties
I don't recall the exact numbers
GM I don't know

actually i don't think i made a mistake, i'm just tired

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Fixed an issue where planets were actually using the same set of rules for generation so they felt extremely samey, also properly including things like water and destructible "coating" on terrain that you can blast away to look for resources.

Also very unfortunate generation for this clip considering it's an ice planet with everything blue anyways.

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Keep going.
(cleaned it up)

>>164255920


i love this meme

>>164256982
thats pretty cool

>>164257035
cute cubes

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How's godot? and is it something I can learn without prior programming experience or should I start somewhere else?

also, what are some good books to read for learning regular programming languages?

Also is Codeacademy worth it?

>>164257146
for the record this is a different person from
>>164254793

>>164257090
explain how it makes sense to recommend something that isn't a programming language to someone who wants to learn programming?

>>164257221
All weebs are the same.

>>164257228
you learn very basic programming. And maybe a little advanced stuff.

>>164256423
that is not a proper analogy. gml isn't pseudocode, it provides a perfectly valid framework to learn all of the basic programming tasks.

it's bewildering to me that "game maker" is supposed to be too hard to figure out when "just learning some actual code" is both more abstract and still requires you to fuck around with shit like minGW which is about ten degrees more harmful to somebody just starting out.

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>>164256390
i kinda cheated desu but w/e this is all anonymous

>>164257146
you can learn any engine without prior experience. However GML is best documented.
And you can't make a game without prior knowledge until you make dozens of smaller projects.

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So what is /agdg/ buying from the steam sale?
So far I've bought:
> Cluster Truck
> Mighty Switch FOrce
> Shantae 1 & 2
> Hyper Light Drifter
> Oxenfree
-and DB Xenoverse 2, which is the only one I regret thus far. The actual gameplay isn't terri-bad, but it's not good enough to make up fort he terrible [everything else.], imo.

>>164257146
Godot is very good. It's pretty beginner friendly, but of course it helps to understand some basic programming. Godot uses its own scripting language, GDScript, which has similarities with Python.

I used Codeacedemy 2 years ago to learn some Python, it was helpful. I haven't used it since though, so I don't know if it's changed any.

huhuhu...

>entity.Equipment.GetBlockFromCursor().ItemDefinition.BlockData.GetPreview().transform.SetParent(previewTransform)

>>164257228
>something that isn't a programming language
>>164257228

1. GML is a programming language, with data structures, arrays, etc
2. It's syntax is almost identical to Java
3. In order to use GML effectively efficient programming methods and practices need to be used which it eases you into

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Is GML the easiest gamedev language to learn/use?

>>164257326
this is the programmer equivalent to "just draw the rest of the fucking owl".

>>164257664

no it isnt

>>164257664
...isn't it the opposite of, "draw the rest of the owl," in that GM has tools and stuff so you're not having to do everything in raw code?

>>164254795
Where can I find more of your stuff?

>>164257734
you misunderstand. i agree that gml is a good platform to learn coding. i'm just saying that your wording as to how it's achieved is vague as fuck.

you literally just told anon that you learn proper programming in game maker by ...learning programming in game maker.

>>164257420
>"game maker" is supposed to be too hard to figure out
that's not the argument
the argument is that game maker is a waste of time; one should just learn a programming language if programming is what they want to learn

>>164254793
Godot. It can do 2D very well, and can do 3D decently. 3D will be improved even more in 3.0 which will be released early 2017, so it will be here by the time you delve into 3D. The base engine is already good enough to apply to many types of games. And if you really need to you could expand the engine with C++

>>164257035
Who is left cube? Also you missed everyone's favorite placeholder.

>>164257454
it's such low iterations the computer won't even notice. What was I doing there i don't even remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7Ui4z-ga0

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>>164257268

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>TFW tried to get into gamedev but can't learn GML or even Clickteam Fusion
>feel overwhelmed, might even have legitimate learning disability that I didn't know about until now or something
>suddenly feel bitter towards indie games for being able to do something that I can't
Fuck.

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>>164257835
???
implying that gml is not a proper programming language? anybody remotely familiar with C# or Java basically already knows GML.

>>164257104
For you

>>164257835
personally i found GML a great starting point. Don't discount what people who have used it experienced. You have to put yourself in the mind of someone that doesn't fully understand the concept of Variables yet. You can only read so much before you need to trial and error your way into stuff. And GML gives you a way onto the learning curve.

>>164257969
maybe take a proper online courses, with a qualified instructor and stuff, to learn coding and stuff? Some people are just better at self-educating than others.

>>164257146
I wonder if anime schools in Japan have classes like "drawing cute butts"

>>164257969
Time to take up source.

>>164257639
Lua is pretty easy too

>>164257575
I might pick up the steam controller still, not sure

>>164257846
Not to be superficial about it, but can you point to some outstanding stuff made with Godot? This isn't out of spite, but GM has got HLD right there on it's homepage, and the stuff in Godot's showcase is less than inspiring.

>>164258092
I don't know. I tried following this one guy and taking Udemy courses he did, but after a while I started to feel like I was just following orders on what to type/do and didn't feel like I was actually learning anything I could use on my own.
I think my biggest problem is retention. Whenever I've tried to learn any kind of coding/programming in my life I forgot all of it if I took even a short break, and I can't really afford to devote 100% of my time to it to avoid that.

I just wish UI-based game making wasn't so terrible.

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>>164257478
Yeah, the way my brain works I have to understand the building blocks from the ground up. Which is why I find things like Unity and gamemaker frustrating since they're essentially packaged commands automating things I don't know how to do myself. So I'd very much like to do smaller projects.

>>164257576
I've seen some applications built in python and a lot of people swearing by it. Since I don't know the benefits and ups and downs of each language I'm always apprehensive about anything that isn't stupidly popular. Like when I first decided to give programming a real go, it was around the initial release of Terraria. Me and a friend were discussing features that would make it a better game, found out it was built with XNA and C#, so that was the language I wanted to learn.

Now whenever I mention C#, most people say C++ or one of the game engines instead. It's really hard to find good information online these days with all the ads and clickbait. So I end up asking a bunch of questions like this often.

>>164258115
That's a gainax booty, they are masters of their craft. The studio ghibli of anime butts.

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>>164257969
don't let the nodev mindset consume you

>>164254795
Snake? SNAKE?

>>164257454
That's pretty much the same as the original ,with an additional shuffle for each set beforehand.

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>>164257969
fuck around with it. i found that to be an incredibly efficient way to break down things I didnt understand.

two years ago I literally didnt know how to code lol. t. monolithdev

>>164258403
>Now whenever I mention C#, most people say
yeah, XNA was quite promising for a while
but it was abandoned by Microsoft, so that was the end of it

>>164258403
> Gainax
Gainax Rejects Inc. does not represent Gainax.

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I know everyone here is all about programming languages and shit, but this discussion has me curious; Is there a list/guide to the best UI-based gamedev programs out there? The most flexible, the most user-friendly, etc.?
Shit like RPG Maker, GM without GML, Fusion.

>>164257639
I find GML pretty fuckin weird compared to programming 'normally' with c# or java or w/e.

That being said, gamemaker studio is still a good choice

>>164258403
People have lots of different opinions on language and engine. It really just depends on what you're comfortable with.

>>164257909
left is Tender Arms

>>164258752
RPGMaker is a weird example. It's UI portion is way too restrictive to produce anything good on it's own and the entire scripting ruby system has to dance around it, unless you literally code it to never come in contact with the engine's own systems at which point you could just as well just enginedev.

>>164258403
>Now whenever I mention C#, most people say C++ or one of the game engines instead. It's really hard to find good information online these days with all the ads and clickbait.
Ok, here's solid information that will still be just as solid 10 years from now:
Learn a programming language, not a tool.
If you had learned C# back then, then you'd still be good to go right now. You could just apply your knowledge directly to Unity.

>>164258403
I'll let you into a little secret: you should only change your tools when they aren't meeting your requirements or they're terrible to use. Never change because some autist on the Internet told you they're terrible and to instead use whatever it is that he likes, you'll find that there's always an autist to defend anything... those long winded arguments you often see on threads like this one is what happens when those autists come across each other.

Also don't become one such autist either. A tool is a tool, you're its master, not the other way around.

>>164258752
There is no GM without GML. Drag and Drop is a meme to get people to download the program in the first place. It can't be used to make a game to ANY extent (contrast with Blue Prints)

But Game maker is the best documented, most flexible, great demos already existing, great user base, and lots of money being invested atm (GMS:2)

>>164258752
unreal engine blueprints
construct 2

>>164258382
I completely understand, honestly the Godot showcase should be more curated, it is full of a lot of sub-par projects. The engine is still fairly new when compared to something like GM, so there isn't many big games made with it yet.

Tanks of Freedom is pretty large and well done. https://w84death.itch.io/tanks-of-freedom
RPG in a Box http://www.rpginabox.com/
Also this game on Steam http://store.steampowered.com/app/330420/

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>wonder why your collision detection isn't working properly
>stuck on it for over a day
>finally find the problem

Why is programming so hard for people to learn?

Do you think people would have an easier time learning programming if the classes started with computer systems stuff? Maybe if you learned what an int actually was and how for loops actually worked, it would be easier to visualize what programs are actually doing and people could actually learn this stuff.

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>>164259316

Can you actually filter the thread just using vanilla 4chan and not having to get X? I have tried to use the supposed filter options up top but it has never done anything.

>>164256982
wher do you get generation algorithms from?

>>164258574
it's really not the same at all. the original algorithm used RNG to decide when to add a combination. i.e, if the guy wanted 2000 combinations and the chance of keeping a combination was 130/900, he needlessly ran a lot of iterations. even risking iterating everything and not even ending up with 2000. or ending up with 2000 but since the RNG hit early, there's not a lot of difference between combinations.

think about what i've done, it's much better.

however, it's a complete waste of time since the algorithm runs exactly once at the very beginning and never again. and since the worst case scenario is 7^5 iterations it doesn't matter at all. this would really only be important if the algorithm ran once per frame or something.

>>164259394
>Why is programming so hard for people to learn?
there have been studies done on this
the root cause is that something like 75% of people do not think logically
they can't learn to program because they can't form a consistent model of what the instructions do in their mind

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>>164257823
heyy I got a twitter now

http://twitter.com/_pikopik

>>164258489
>

>>164259394
poor documentation and error codes honestly

>>164259717
What was your lewd Tumblr?

>>164259394
There's a lot of studies about this, it's pretty much the same reason people stuggle with music, math, and anything that requires some level of abstract thinking.
Can't find the link now but I remember reading a study about 50% advanced CS students having trouble understanding variable assignments and pointers/referencing.

The problem is, teaching people how to think in an abstract way is not easy at all.

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>>164258723
So it's more so XNA's fault rather than C#. But I guess XNA is probably necessary part of being able to make games with C# huh?

What languages have survived the longest and are still in use in game design today? C++?

Also say you were building a 3D game via C++, when you start to create 3D rooms that you can roam around in, is that all done within the language itself, or does it plug into something similar to C# and XNA?

>>164258797
That's the thing, I won't be comfortable with anything if I have too many choices I know nothing about. I could try a new language every day without getting toes deep into it and never know I missed out on, or accomplished anything. Choosing the right ones to learn seems more important than anything.

>>164259061
That's what I'm here for, would you endorse C++ as a current language? or am I missing out by not trying something more modern. I've heard vulkan has some serious benefits, but people are probably waiting to see if it sinks or swims yeah?

>>164259069
Good advice, I often wonder what sort of tools and languages were used in SNES/Genesis era programming, then PS1 and PS2 era. Developers were working with worse tools than we have now (at least I assume anyway) and managed to make great things within those limitations. I think the current game industry's lack of creativity might be due to having too much freedom, with less problems to solve. But there were also a lot less languages back then, and I don't know if I'll have a long enough lifespan to learn everything that led up to this point. So I'm doing my best to pick something with broad use and many implications, I might try to design applications for businesses down the line, or just make scripts to accomplish different tasks in bulk, or go into servos and robots. I want to do everything, but I have to get started, and that's the hardest part.

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>>164258680
how does that work?

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>>164178767
created a UI window system with buttons and a background image

>>164259671
I thought you just made a typo in the for loop limits, I intentionally avoided that to ensure a more uniform distribution (and of course, this has a cost).
If that was intentional then your solution is not what I needed as you are just limiting your options and getting a lot of suspects that share a lot of traits and only vary in one or trait (the innermost loop one).

>>164259717
>have a twitter and post on it semi regularly for over a year
>tfw you get 4 times as many followers and 20 times as many likes on posts than I have, in half a month
I hate u

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>>164259802
>and anything that requires some level of abstract thinking.
Yeah, this is pretty much me. I've always been bad at that shit. I can write stories and I can draw, that's about it.
I don't wanna be one of those assholes looking for someone to collab with just to ask them to do all the hard parts of gamedev while I do all the fun shit like asset creation so I just decided to make webcomics.

>>164259717
>>164259784
>lewd Tumblr
I'm interested in this as well.

>>164260023
>What languages have survived the longest and are still in use in game design today? C++?
yes, c++ has been the industry standard for over a decade

>Choosing the right ones to learn seems more important than anything.
it might seem that way, but that's wrong
just learn ANY programming language and you'll be fine. once you know how to program, it's easy to pick up another language on the fly

>That's what I'm here for, would you endorse C++ as a current language?
c++ is fine, c# is fine, java is fine, even python is fine
just start learning bro

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>>164260024
diploma_coding.jpeg

>>164260023
>I want to do everything, but I have to get started, and that's the hardest part.
Unfortunately we can't learn everything all at once, we just have to get started somewhere and then branch off until we get to where we want to be. I'd recommend you start by whatever you think is best for you, which is to say don't start by obscure hobby languages or things like that, start with something more general and widely adopted that will make it easier for you to learn and seek help when needed. As I said you can branch off into those other harder things once you feel the time is right and you have already acquired a level of proficiency you're comfortable with.

I know it sucks but unfortunately skills can't be rushed, all we can do is take one step at a time. Take this new year as an opportunity to start and never stop, keep moving forward always.

Best of luck in your endeavors anon.

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>3ds Max scene just corrupts itself
>the already exported and working in-game FBX file is now empty
>previous scene versions I last touched a week ago are now unloadable
The hell is going on. I hadn't done anything out of the ordinary. It literally just self-destructed.
The work is salvaged, I had already exported it so I can just re-import it from the game files, but what the fuck.

I ran out of disk space earlier today, which I addressed and then kept working, but why would the week old untouched files get fucked? And if disk space was an issue, why could I save and import it into the engine without fail?
Close call, but fuck, I thought I was being redundant enough with the multiple files. Never expected it to just clean house on whatever error occurred.

>>164260067
yeah k w/e you need bb

>>164260894
>ran out of disk space
>2017
Nigga, do you know how cheap a gigabyte is?

Happy new year

>>164259613
Unity's tutorial examples, Sebastian Lague, tons of tutorials for things other than unity have good examples to pick up from then make something you want based on what your game needs.

>>164260894
SOURCE CONTROL BRO

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>>164258680
Are the following a cursor? it looks like one group decides to turn and follow the wrong way and gets behind, which makes it look more varied. or am I way off base?

>>164259394
The only programming I got a taste of in school was HTML, and at the time geocities was all the rage and much easier. RIP sweet prince I'd honestly love if teaching was more in depth, they're teaching young kids programming in some schools now with scratch and a few other things. But I think even that masks what the functions actually are a bit too much. I wish I had the Reboot team's knowledge of programming, they were amazing.

>>164259802
Ever since about grade 5 or 6 I've been piss poor at math, I was in the canadian school system and my parents put me in french immersion. But since we moved provinces several times, I ended up changing schools a lot, going from French immersion>English>To an all french school>English>French Immersion again. Not only is the language different, but some of the methods they taught us were a lot different too. So I'll blame that on why I messed up so badly. Fastforward to grade 9 math and I can't understand most of the current workflow, get an in school suspension for being late too much, suspension teacher who's mostly just there to make sure no one leaves, explains whatever I was working on in a way that I can understand in minutes. I wish I had that guy around for the rest of my school years.

>>164260394
>>164260662
You guys are way too nice ;_; Thank you so much. Going to try and find a C++ manual or tutorial right now

>>164260023
>there are devs knowing about the gb FFs
I like you already.

>>164261345
C++ can be a bit overwhelming for a beginner, but if that's what you want to learn then go ahead.

>>164261128
Happy new year to you too, dev

>>164261591
They're SaGa games not FF reee

>>164261343
Pretty much what I've been doing, but it took out the entire line, every version generated through the week, that's what surprised me.

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>>164261705
My bad

>>164261812
>Pretty much what I've been doing
>it took out the entire line, every version generated through the week
Then you aren't "pretty much" doing source control
my house could burn down and I wouldn't lose any work

>>164261345
they follow the cursor, but the homing power decays over time, so inevitably they go stray.
(it's the z var in the code salad pic)

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Hey AGDG!

I got some time to work on the game again. Think I'll tackle the dialogue this time.

Here's a picture of the dialogue graph so far (blue ones are planned nodes that I haven't implemented yet). Right is how I implement things. Each node is a scenario (the file on the right), but depending on the loli's stats and how they match the attributes section of each outcome, it will have different effects (code in result tag), and link to different dialogue nodes (links tag). the message tag is just what's shown.

I'm wondering if this is an okay plan, or if I should think of other stuff?

As I was drawing this graph (it's not complete, there are some coded nodes that I forgot to draw here, but it should show some stuff) I was thinking of implementing some kind of node-inheritence thing, maybe one just affecting the links tag? Or maybe all tags? Since pretty much all the sex acts should possibly link to the too_lewd or tell_mommy nodes, and a lot of common dialogue nodes would want to link to a few common targets.

Do you think this is a good idea? Maybe it could set 'default' values for links and for attributes (maybe). However, this might get annoying since you would be less able to fine-tune things, at the bonus of simplifying the links/etc structure.

I was also thinking maybe of putting in a links tag just for the scenario (node) that all outcomes would follow. What do you think?

Should I allow any outcome to inherit from any random outcome? Or should I make a separate type of file containing just links that outcomes (and scenarios) can inherit from?

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>>164262368

>>164262368
What a fantastic year opening post

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>>164262368

can somebody make a video game about asian cartoons which are set to air this winter season so i can see if there's anything i like

>>164262731
you're looking for asian game dev general

>>164262731
Ask g*
he does youtubes about them

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>>164261345
oh shit, found another one.

>>164262368
>carryfuck
Can you describe the position further? Is it like in all those Piper Perry videos where her spine is parallel to the dude's back (almost like a sitting up position), or is it more like that one Zone flash from back in the day with Jinx and Cyborg, where her spine is perpendicular to the dude's? And is she facing or turned away from the guy?

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The power of nested loops, I have an endless supply of suspects now, and it's impossible to just guess stuff.

>>164263532

Well, it was using the old sprites, so it's no longer animated in the game as I don't have sprites for it (same for rapevaginal/anal). It's facing away from him and her spine is parallel to his, with her legs out to the sides.

>>164263660
>It's facing away from him and her spine is parallel to his, with her legs out to the sides.
Fucking TRASH. If I'm raping a loli, I want her to be looking at me the whole time. What's the point of it if you only see her from behind?

>>164263889
To assuage the guilt you should be feeling from being literal human waste.

>>164263950
>Implying I'd feel guilty with my dick in an animated loli hole

>>164263889

It's an old animation that's not even in the game anymore. That's back when the lolis had huge hair only, so if I did that you'd mostly just see her hair. Chill. The rapevaginal animation was missionary (and she cries), if that makes you feel better.

>>164264065
>The rapevaginal animation was missionary (and she cries), if that makes you feel better.
It depends on what kind of face she's making

>tfw too toaster to use unreal

>tfw to smart to use unity

isn't it weird how you can put numbers into a matrix, do some shit to the matrix and then you magically find solutions to things somehow in the matrix

>>164264241

Her face is like 4 pixels big in it.

>>164264679
Okay but if it wasnt, what kind of face would she be making? You'll never make it as a dev if you don't ask these important questions.

happy new year /agdg/
have a progress filled new year

>>164264780

She's making the face her father would make if he walked in on you.

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>>164264917
Pic related?

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>>164265042

More in this direction.

>>164262368
>>164263532
>>164263660
>>164263889
>>164264065
>>164264241
>>164264679
>>164264780
>>164264917
>>164265042
>>164265136
/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General
"We make games!"

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To think that I once imagined this character "proud and fierce"...

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>>164265948

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OK.

Just one last thing and I think I'm really done with the basics. But damn I have lots of inputs, the player being able to customize them is a must :

Castlevania mapped --- A= Jump, B=Interact, X/Y=Attacks, L=Dash
Depth/Tales --- R=Depth toggle, moving 2D or 2.5D
Settings --- Start=Menu, Select/Mode= Pause
Exploration --- L2/R2=Toggle between Build and Harvest modes. B changes into harvest or place depending on the mode, Right stick to move the cursor around.

>>164265948
>>164266104
Wow we always post at the same time.

>>164266218
Yeah!
It's kind of fucked up, because it's 05:20AM here. I have the worst sleep pattern.

>>164265948
>>164266104
those are some animations m8

>>164266334
It's 5:20AM here too. You wouldn't happen to be French too right?

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>>164261602
I'm almost 28, I need to try even if it's difficult. I'm sure sooner or later I'll develop cancer like the rest of us will, and I want to get something done before that happens.

>>164262085
That's really cool and clever, I guess I wasn't too far off.

>>164263505
I like how the video ends up looping. Each push decreases the size of the area it can move around in? When it got really big it wasn't moving into other parts of the screen anymore.

>>164261591
It was my very first RPG. I bought it for 15 dollars at 'digital world' which marketed itself as an electronics store but was mostly full of guitars and guitar accessories. I made a couple of friends a year or two later who also had the game and we weebed out about it til this day.

I've played all 3, plus adeventure, but that's really just a secret of mana game. I've never played any of the other SaGa games that came after it though.

Also I know you guys probably can't link anything, but I'm trying to find an ebook of Programming: Principles and practice using C++ (2nd edition) by Bjarne Stroustrup. Do any sites give samples of the first X pages etc?

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>>164266407
Thanks!

Incidentally, here's what happened to the previous running animation which I had to trash because I hadn't reset the roll values for the bones.
I call it "roadkill".

>>164266409
Norwegian

>>164266218
What is the benefit of having the depth?

Does anyone know how to texture paint anything similar to what overwatch has?

>>164267035
A E S T H E T I C S

>>164267035
Because it's 3D, sort of, but it's just one depth step.

To be precise, that way you will eventually be able to have, say, your crafting tables or farming plots in the background.
Also to be able to let the player focus on battle on the first plan, and eventually allow some enemies to AI their way or start some attacks in the other depth. I have some plans for the battle system after all.

Also >>164267142

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How's does this look?

Took me about a day and a half, I never animated before

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RIP

>>164267302
And this all translates well given that you can sort of be blocked by things in two different planes and it's not just going to be frustrating and confusing?

>>164267136
Fairly basic textures, nothing too grainy. Colors that are pleasant and bright.
Here's a study of Overwatch art http://polycount.com/discussion/170394/technical-study-overwatch-image-heavy

>>164267319
like a self conscious robot who tries really hard to act human

>>164266556
If C++ is too daunting, give python a try. Python doesn't really give you an "in" to game programming, but it's really easy to learn at first and it's not too hard to get to a point where you can actually do stuff. Stuff like creating/manipulating files and scripting, which is really useful. Also Python will let you get started on Godot if you want, because the Godot language is pretty much python.

Either way, good luck.

>>164267505
thanks

>>164267319
looks like a claymation robot zombie

>>164267319
top half seems good. I think he raises his knees too much. fyi: i know jack shit about animation

>>164267504
Initially I had plans to put some restrictions on the background.
But then I decided that it wasn't worth it, I'd rather have freedom when playing. This is why you can place blocks in all direction around you, even above your head, but only 1 block away.
Besides you can lock your movement on the 2D plane with R, so once you're in a plan you can't go in the other one by mistake. The lock is necessary for crouching anyway.

I think that people will naturally do things on the first plan and use the background for aesthetics like the other anon said.
But having the background will be fun, I'm thinking particularly of restricted areas/arenas (like in Starbound) where you can't destroy blocks. That way I'll be able to sneak some secrets a la FF.

Anyway it's just theory. Once I'm done with one last thing I'll start to add items/enemies and playtest a bit. But from what I've seen with the slime debug and all it's not as confusing as you may think.

>>164267742
let me add that i actually like. walking animations are usually really fucking boring and not interesting at all. if characters in your game all walk like that you'll end up with some character. most of the feedback you're gonna get will drive you toward a realistic, boring af walking animation. i mean, you're a human, you can tell that he walks funny.

i like this, i think people should fool around with goofy walking animations. it's more interesting.

>>164267916
I really don't think it is going to be fun or interesting enough to overcome just how clunky it would be.

The background foreground thing may work if you have it such that generic blocks cover both background and foreground and then you can only put items and other interesting things in the discrete depths. That way you can have the depth gameplay and interesting aesthetic without it being a nightmare to actually play and navigate.

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>>164267319

>>164268149
Wait, you don't just snap back to either the front or the back, once you've unlocked R you move like you would in a beat-em up so technically you can be between both.
The majors blocks are either in the front or the back but I've never said that I didn't have plans for blocks that take up both, in fact that's the "last thing" I'm thinking of, but I need to push that logic in the build mode so I'm brainstorming the good way to do it.

>generic blocks cover both background and foreground and then you can only put items and other interesting things in the discrete depths.
Didn't quite get this one.

>>164267319
The turning of head & torso is too abrupt. That's why it looks so mechanical.

For the first animation ever this is actually breddy gud.

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>>164266695
>To think that I once imagined this character "proud and fierce"...

Happy 2017 /agdg/
I love you guys and all the games you are making. I can't wait to see all the progress this year.

>>164267319
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1483243893756.webm

>>164258752
probably game maker. the drag and drop shit can't do anything remotely complex but it can get you started. if you're in elementary school and start learning that stuff you'll be a wiz

If you're not getting drunk outside and you're reading this, post your first progress of 2017 anon

>>164271127
>outside
Why would anyone ever want to be outside? It's cold out there!

Currently doing experiments with sounds. I have no experience with sound design and how to implement them in my game, so I'm testing different settings and playing around with Audacity.

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>>164271127
Here you go pal.

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>>164271127
here's your .............

>>164271127
I started making my first original song in FL Studio. Not long enough for sharing quite yet though

>>164271657
Is this Tag?

>>164267339

Why do you censor these? Does it deter edgy kys replies at all?

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>>164271776
it's bowling

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>>164271127
Reusing unrelated assets to make the thing itself work before making unique ones, but just got the base for a boss working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsAPO2UQtYA

>>164271489
>Why would anyone ever want to be outside? It's cold out there!
Its not winter everywhere, Amerifat. Maybe they're on the other side of the world like Russia or China

>>164272013
Nice Portal 2 clone

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If you missed it, BONELORD is finished
Go play it here https://spacedoggames.itch.io/bonelord

>>164271657
That style is really good. How did you achieve it? What do your game do?

>>164272219
top secret color palette
cubes
edge detection

>>164272079
>implying people live somewhere that is not within 40km of the planet's poles

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some progress on texturing spider gal

>>164272206
what do you mean finished
finished playable prototype?

>>164272374
ye, it was always just a small prototype

>>164272449
yeah but
since it's awesome and everyone likes necromancers
you're gonna make a full game, right?

>>164272352
consider making her spiderbutt black so it doesn't look like cockroach butt

you've come a long way though, it's looking a lot better

>>164272508
people seem to like it, so probably after I finish my main game

>>164271127
Finished server, no real picture to post of that.

Now I'm devouring this six pack of 16 ounce pabst's. All alone thanks to falling down stairs 2 days ago.

>>164272352
this >>164272538 or give it some markings like a white stripe or something

>>164272578
by then I'll have completed my clone of your game, published it, and made millions
>>164260032
j/k I'm just an enginedev

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some progress on hud, added a new sword and gun model, different character selection menu, so other stuff.

switching characters is lacking feedback not sure what to do there, maybe zoom out and show the characters changing

>>164272682
>>164272538
Thanks I'll give those changes a try.

>>164272896
dude what

>>164257969
i feel like i have a learning disability too desu

actually i think i can learn programming, the thing is i don't know how to actually apply what i learn

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>It's 2017 and he still has no game.

Sad.

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>>164259784

friendly reminder you'll never finish your game and on the off chance you do the market is now too saturated for anyone to care

>>164262368
>>164273640
>>164271565
>>164268470
>>164267339
>>164266695
>>164266104
>>164265948

Oh wow, sourcefam is posting again. What a surprise! Actually it's not a surprise at all. We expected his. And we've forwarded it to the authorities. :)

What are some innovative ideas for a bullet hell game?
I just began using Game Maker and so far I'm good,Graphics are shit but I'm mostly in the coding part but I don't wanna make my game some boring repetitive touhou rip-off (yes it will have qt girls in it)
So I wanted to add a mechanic to the game that would refresh the gameplay.

>>164273640
>17 years
>and this is all he has to show for it

>>164273838
Welcome to life son. Now move outta the way, game coming through.

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Bad artist here, happy new years!

What do you think of my Thicc-monster with the worlds most corrupting dragon dildo?

>game stops loading if I tab out

Not sure why games do this. Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on here?

>>164273585
Too much reliance on tutorials? I prefer to learn by exploration/doing things the "hard way" ie rolling your own

>>164273640
Jesus christ. How could anyone think that's a game?

>>164274084
I'm gonna guess the game doesn't load everything in one step, so when pausing everything autimatically on focus loss, the next cycle of loading is halted as well.

>>164274093
i don't know, i've managed to do a FEW things on my own, but usually i stop after doing something very simple

for example, once i got a sprite moving with some animation on a C64, i didn't know what to do next

>>164274047
Looks like something from an old point and click but with high production values
ST:TNG A Final Unity

>>164274047
I want to send it back to the xcom boffins

>>164273995
add an rpg and tumblr humor
>>164274047
nice color scheme from the thumbnail

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>>164273640
>there's sourceposting
>anywhere
>ever

>>164273640
To have to open 2017 with... With this? Ugh. May as well not live at all........

>>164273640
>it's 2017 and source still exists

>>164273640
Lol. Just fucking lol. :)

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>>164273640
>that image
>mfw

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Happy 2017, folk. Leave me some requests for the morning!

>>164274971
Would you be interested in doing a one-off title card for a demo day game?

>>164275037
leave details and I'll give it a shot

>>164274971
>Leave me some requests for the morning!
How about you suck my dick

>>164274971
Get rid of source, forever!

>>164268651
As in, the major blocks that make up the game go from the front to the back. There is no different depths for them. Then it is other things that can go in different depths, like furniture, items and enemies.

>>164262368
Ugh. Reek's back.

>>164261591
>gb FFs
delet this

they werent real FF games by any definition, for better or for worse

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>theres source in the thread

>>164257454
i recommend using System.Diagnostics.Stopwatch for performance testing

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>>164275097
>>164274971
nevermind

>>164275828
sad. but I'm happy to see you added that color

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>>164273640
>gif
>doesnt move

>model
>ripped from hl2

>whole scene
>just a hl2 item in t pose

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>>164260070
sorry, I got lucky + cute character + I waited until what I thought was the right time to post the good tweets. we have some real twitter head honchos here though you should ask them for hot tips instead

heres some frog tryouts goodnight

>>164273640
>320x256
Is that his actual resolution?

>>164254793
The one you make yourself

How do we make 2017 agdg great again?

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>>164273640
>320x256

happy new year you virgins

>>164276127
all you need to do is set up a patreon and keep posting cute gifs to tumblr/twitter/whatever
you'll get rich and never have to release anything

>>164272896
this is zany as heck

>>164276484
I trust anon to actually do something, but this being true bugs me.

>>164276361
Start with calling the federal police.

>>164235705
Definitely the right.

>tfw people sign up on itch.io just to follow your game

>>164277546
>mfw I'll never know this feel

>>164277589
if it helps i feel like shit all day and want to die. i doubt i have it in me to see it through to the end

>open game maker before new year
>try to save anything ater 12:00AM

reeee

>>164277546
I still get random follows even though my last shitty build was for Demo Day 9. It does give me hope that if I drop a real demo it will reach meme escape velocity.

>decide to use some of my sleeptime to gamedev while I can
>didn't sleep at all

Well, they say that the first minutes of the new year influence the rest of the year, might as well spend it making progress

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Where can I get webmercator tiles? (Resolutions of 1m/2m/4m... are preferred).

>don't play any indie games because jealous of their success
Anyone else do this?

>>164280062
I am not retarded.

Why would anyone use memeyard when unity and ue are much better?
why would amazon even want to enter the engine market what the fuck?

>>164280229
their own game studios use it
they want to encourage people to use their hosting services

>>164280229
They want to increase usage of the cloud services for games. They are giving free licenses to an engine to do it. Industry people are saying they aren't super serious about the engine thing and they are just seeing what sticks.

>>164280229
Unity took about a decade to get as huge as it is. Amazon has the time and capital to wait that long, if they want to.

>>164280283
>>164280324
This is what unity is trying to do now, too. They launched their collab service recently in pursuit of this.

>>164280324
>aren't super serious about the engine
thats even worse
imagine spending two years of your time on a game and then amazon suddenly drops the engine without even fixing all bugs and shit because "meh i just didn't stick"
and their features are shit also, on their page their big current update is twich streaming implementation, who gives a shit? that won't help you develop the game and to anyone to play the game, that only covers .000001% streames who will play your game literally any game can be streamed without any built in stream support
If they made the engine solely for the purpose of getting their hosting used then they are fucked, because their main objective has to be the engine, if the engine is only means to an end then they will fail miserably and i regret any dev who falls for their meme

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Changed the mechanic - the way to paint surfaces is no longer transferring between two of them. You can only paint a surface once.

The puzzle of the game will be to not run out of ammo while finding a path through levels, and platforming

>>164250584
>>164249890
Alright, thanks for the input, I will rethink the scope of the game and perhaps keep it puzzle-focused for now after all

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Starting off 2017 with my babies first shader.

i give up

>>164281102
>outlines on the characters
>Xray on boku when he goes through a wall

Woah I'm crying tears of joy it took you a year but you finally added them in like we suggested for so long.

>>164281102
Have you seriously gotten this far without writing shaders? truly the power of unity

Happy new year, hope you ship bokube this year! I'm shipping bokube with the brown mouse

>>164281115
https://youtu.be/vc_UVpFayaw

Friendly reminder to use Unity for 2D games because the time you spend doing a couple hacks to make 2D work properly is saved a hundredfold in everything Unity does for you.

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>>164281102
That dirty boi rolling dat delicious ass all ova da place.

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Happy New Year everyone

>>164281592
you might want to make that health indicator bigger

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devstation

>>164281592
Nice. Happy new year!