/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

So, what are the Unatended Graves?
The past? A different timeline? A different past timeline?

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>>164026975
Undead burg invasions are fun

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4th for DaS1 was a fluke.

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PRAISE THE SUN

>>164027445
I think its how the world looks if you go for the end of fire ending.

>>164027575
Dunno about the whole game, but the good level design in the first 40% of the game most certainly was either a fluke or a positive accident.

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>>164027568
>turning off hud to hide your 99 manatee chaos bastard sword

>>164027445
>the game's too short Miyazaki, give us more areas before the deadline
>oh I know, we should copy pasta this area and call it a new! as for lore... hmmmm
>well i guess we can leave it to the players to make up some bullshit lol
>lets add in a reskin boss with some new moves. hard pve npcs. a few smidges of lores dealin with time travel annnd done

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>>164027568
it's especially fun when you invade my SL200 anti-twink

>>164027665
I have 50 humanity now, but the bastard sword is only +5 and the only thing I have upgraded

>>164026557
I actually don't have much of a problem with refinement, if you build properly you can get damage in the same ballpark with less investment in combat stats.

What I'd do is:
>Remove hornet ring
>Nerf the absolute shit out of fist weapon parries
>Allow blessed weapons to be buffed
>Invaders & phantoms get their full estus

And that's just a start. Certain things (like whips) need all sorts of boosts, starting with unfucking their off-hand movesets.

>>164027494
It did, though. I'm not talking DLC weapons, I'm talking base game.

You generally had two completely different movesets for every weapon category. Two different greathammer sets, two different UGS sets, two different greatsword sets, etc...

Meanwhile in DS3 every single greathammer swings the same. There's one or two with unique R2 attacks.

Is there a single better feeling than getting a backstab off on one of these
>only run away
>randomly turn around for 2 r1 attacks

People? 1200 damage, ded. Piece of shit

>>164027445
>So, what are the Unatended Graves?
Past. Handmaiden remembers you if you talk to her there before talking to her in present and has a unique bit of dialogue for that.
Time travel most likely happens because you fight Oceiros on the same fucking archtree stump that houses First Flame which causes massive time-space glitches.

>>164027876
Not sure about blessed weapon/phantoms estus. Making blessed buffable would make raw useless. And full phantom estus would only make the pvp a bigger chugfest. I wish hornet ring wasn't in the game, and I would love to see people ditching the caestus as parry weapon, it looks stupid. And its also kind of overpowered for being able to parry for only 0.5 weight units.

>>164028025
>1200 damage BS
is that even possible anymore since the HR nerf?

>>164028116
If it's the past, who linked the First Flame before you? It cannot completely die, but it was as dead as it can be.

>>164027891
>I'm talking base game.
Well, lets talk about base game, then. Base game where not a single boss weapon had unique moves with exception of two Nashandra weapons, and one of them was re-used in re-release. Base game where all boss weapons' R2s are just generic weapon class R2s covered with elemental effect.

Weapon art movesets add DS3 weapons greater amount of unique move combinations than two generic movesets per class of DS2 (which is only limited to some classes and a very limited number of things in that classes). And Friede's Great Scythe or Valorheart takes a huge dump on any DS2 dlc weapon as far as moveset goes.

blades of mercy or reiterpalalch for second weapon?

>>164028275
Well I just got one

I'm using a Morne's Greathammer at 35 faith and 40 str with hornet's ring on

Whats everyones opininion on the estus recharges? Should they be pvp exclusive maybe? Cause I feel its kind of casual.

>>164028464
Wrong thread bro

>>164028513
It is casual. It was made so magebabbies can walk through the game easier
>>164028576
no this thread is also for bb

Is a hollow flamberge good with a 40 luck hollow build or should i just go for a 40/40 refined one.

>>164028463
>Weapon art movesets add DS3 weapons greater amount of unique move combinations

Like Stance? Which 15 weapons use.

>>164028623
Say's Demon & Dark Souls general at the top bro, /bbg/ is for Bloodborne. Plus, you didn't give any context, what's your second weapon and build.

>>164028317
I think that Firelink in DS3 was intended as some sort of an emergency system only used if there's literally nobody else left to link the Fire. Someone certainly did it to kickstart the last cycle but was either a random brave undead outside of a fire linking system or some of the Lords we already know, main suspect is probably Ludleth who knows how flameless world looks and is terrified of it.

>>164028623
Don't listen to the mad microkeks, this thread is fine for BB discussion as well.
t. someone who was fine with BB discussion even when he was a pkek

>>164028675
>Which 15 weapons use
Which is much better than any weapon having a shitty, slow parry on L2.

>>164028273
>Making blessed buffable would make raw useless.

Maybe on the right build, and even then only fairly late on the right build. At 13/12/40 a blessed broadsword is still doing less damage than a raw one, although it's only a difference of about 10 AR. Hell, a blessed Lothric knight sword only catches up to a raw one at 13/18/32 and even then the raw one can still win an AR war because it's buffable. What's more is that's still less damage than the LKS does with no infusion at min stats.

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>>164027285
Please put more effort into your memes famablam

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BB sucks ass

give me a quick rundown on miracles, sorceries, pyromancies, and hexes in dark souls 2, in terms of PVE. I know the extreme basics, but how do they compare to DS1? How do they compare to each other?

>>164029619
>posts worst souls game

>>164029160
>mfw I got parried more often by ultra weapons than obvious dedicated parry tools
DaS3 is shit for neutering basic good game design. Weapon parries and dual wielding need to come back.

>invade two chinese dudes in lothric castle
>they're both only clad in the master's attire, one of them wearing dusk crown, both of them with tears of denial on, one is a sorcerer and the other uses a greatsword
>they refuse to come out both, but a blue is summoned
>the blue is summoned into the 5 lothric knights at the start
>go walk up to them and fetch my cleric buff
>walk back in up to them
>they hit me to trade, but I only take like 30% of my HP in damage from soul spear + claymore r1
>get two 2hr1 off on them
>900 damage
>1800 damage
>both are dead because the first hit procced tears

THANKS FOR ROIDS

>>164029684
>miracles
nerfed, don't bother
>sorceries
great soul arrow and soul spear barrage spam: the class
>pyromancies
don't bother, really low amount of casts for pve and generally pretty shit compared to real casting schools
>hexes
dark orb spam: the class

>>164029727
More like the tightest souls game

>>164029769
>I got parried more often by ultra weapons
That's a really embarrassing thing to confess about given how shit their frames are.

>>164029947
ultras were exceptionally easy to bait

obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9yIWBMEmo

>>164030041
Only if you were against exceptionally bad opponents.

>>164029684
Miracles got nerfed to shit (but lightning infusion is still great), sorcery is the same as always, pyromancy and hexes are top tier. Pyromancy isn't straight up OP like it was in DS1 but as a tradeoff you no longer throw like a girl. DS2 is arguably the most friendly to hybrid builds since you can buff non-physical infusions so make sure to dick around with that system to see what you like.

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Dude in loincloth looking for PC FC.

>>164030106
What was that DS2 faggots name? Peeve?
I remember finding him in the arena and parrying him with my zweihander. On stream. Destroyed him.

Let me see if he still has the twitch recording up or something

>>164030160
FC in Nameless King boss room, lets go.

>>164029947
You're so cool.

>>164030206
>Peeve
Not surprising, he's exceptionally bad at pvp.
All twitch celebrities are.

>>164030106
in other words, 99% of players

get off it dude

>>164029947
To be fair the fact they were slow meant you might play a little sloppy not expecting it, and anyone ballsy enough to try probably had absolute confidence it would work, it wasn't something you could just throw out randomly.

Why does DaS1 invasions/PvP seem more enjoyable to me over DaS2/3?

I can't tell if it's just nostalgia goggles or not because in many ways the pvp and online components are objectively worse

All Dark Souls games are shit. Demon's Souls gets a pass since it was the first. Bloodborne is the only good one.

What's up with all the Chinese and Japanese players in Lothric Castle?

I never, ever invade, get summoned, or get invaded by those, EXCEPT in Lothric Castle. In there, I exclusively connect to Japs and Chinks.

What is going on here? I first thought it's like the Asian equivalent of the pontiff duel zone, but I'm even getting summoned at Twin Princes by exclusively Asian players.

Anyone else notice this?

>>164030502
DS1 invasions are hilariously piss easy. I don't find any enjoyment in them anymore.
There's also no cool shit like obscuring ring.

>>164030512
I have fun playing them, and that's what matters.

>>164030562
Yes, actually. Half of the host i've encountered in lothric castle yesterday were chinks and generally i saw a shitload of jap invaders there and in archives.

>>164027575
>You just like Dark Souls 3, and be prepared to be massively disappointed with whatever comes next.

But DaS3 was confirmed to be the last in the series, and I'm moving on to For Honor next although I'll continue playing DaS3 for the low-mid level invasions until someone else picks up the invasion mechanic and does it better.

>>164030580
>>164030502

The skill floor for DaS1 PvP is too high, which makes invasions really easy most of the time. This is why I gave up on normal invasions long time ago, and only did gimmick build invasions.

are there any mods that allow me to slide up ladders?

>>164030219
Password?

>>164030864
I always used gimmick invasion builds in DS1 but even them are too strong unless i completely gimp myself

>>164030904
But there's no one here.

>>164029684
Man, as a Cleric in DS1 those lightning bolts were game changers on fights I could use them. What a disappointment in DS2.

>>164031083
That doesn't answer my question.

>>164030502
The later games don't have indictments or top-tier gestures like well what is it, shrug, or look skyward.

>>164031331
>shrug
I miss it so much

it had so many applications

>>164030206

I'm pretty sure the majority of his souls twitch VODs are gone, even the DaS3 ones. I went back to watch some of the bloodshade invasion VODs and they just don't exist anymore on his channel, it's sad. Just poof, gone.

It's just ironic now that you have this internet famous "Soulbrandt" and literally none of them even play any souls games anymore. All of their popularity came from souls games and now they have all become shitty variety gaming streamers with a lot less viewers, and if you mention this at all in the chat their few viewers that stuck around will white knight the shit out of you.

It's good though and for the best I believe, met some really cool small-time streamers who are much more entertaining and just better human beings in general. Souls is finally back to its niche status now that all of the normie fags left, on top of a bunch of people getting DaS3 for christmas so low-mid level invasions are instant all day now.

>>164031331
no no no ;^) HA HA HA

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>>164030580

Obscuring ring is my ringfu. I have hornet ring right above it so I start every invasion with it equipped and hardswap it to hornet when I decide I'm ready to fight. It's incredibly satisfying to just stalk people sometimes and watch them from afar, especially gank squads that just camp out at a bonfire. I like to watch how they behave and see just how long they're willing to literally just sit there not playing the game. Sometimes I just watch co-opers play literally all the way to the boss and then enter the boss fight.

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What are your favorite bosses /dsg/?

>>164031552
I have more fun watching that rainbow hair guy playing rpgmaker games than anything souls related. I guess Dark Souls was just a fad.

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What are your favorite armor sets?

I need to take a break from invasions for awhile, I want to try this jolly co-op thing. I have a SL35, 55, and 130. What are some good bosses I should fight again? Are there any places I can just put my white soapstone sign down and get summoned for ganks and shit, or do I just have to actually PvE if I do that? Maybe try throwing on blue sentinels and just getting summoned as a regular white phantom?

Teach me the ways of co-op with randoms, senpai.

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>>164032125
i'm not sure i like where this is going

>>164032000
>>164032125
this better end with a finished sculpture of gwyndolin getting buggered or i'm gonna be extremely disappointed

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>>164032317
He just started this one, we'll see

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>Ancient dragon greatshield is perfect for low level paladins
>It's at the end of the fucking game
>It didn't get buffed when the ethereal oak shield was added so now it's obsolete *and* a chore to reach

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So should I go 30/30 with the Twinblade in DS2 or straight 50 in one stat?

>>164032125
>>164032000
While I appreciate the effort and craftmanship, gwyndolin clearly has tits and a very feminine face.

I just don't get why people constantly portray him like a rugged twink

What determines the color of the sky in the lothric area? I noticed over my past playthroughs that it changes from normal, light yellow sky, to deep orange sky with fucked up sun. I was going to check what actually does it, but I keep forgetting.

I've just managed to beat Dancer early and I'm on my way to the Consumed King to get myself a Moonlight greatsword.

The problem is that on my way there after a while these places start to lag real bad. I can run around in one area without any lag but when I return to that same area my game freezes for a few seconds. If I restart the game the same thing happens. No problem the first few runs but then it starts to lag real bad.

Anyone knows what's causing it?

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WHY THE FUCK IS THE CAMERA LOCK ON SO TERRIBLE
DID THEY EVEN TEST THIS SHITTY GAME
FUCK NAMELESS KING AND FUCK THIS GAME

>>164033018
yes, the amazing nipponese optimization and the thousands of square kilometers of mountains that load with lothric castle. someone had posted a webm but i didn't save it

>my posts gets some replies overnight
>try to find them by typing cntrl+F (You)
>have to browse through all the retards that type (You) in their posts ironically

>Boot game
>Not banned anymore
Time to fuck some shit up and get banned again

>he two hands a rapier
>he uses a katana with a shield

The biggest signs of homosexualism

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>>164032753
>he's too bad to actually reach it with a low-level build
>he's actually gonna block with it

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>>164033018
FROM's infamously shitty optimization.

BB was a total mess on release, BUT AT LEAST THEY FUCKING FIXED IT. DS3's been out for like half a year and tons of stuff is still broken on all platforms and if I could find the guy who used to post that "it'll be the best Souls game a few months after release and everyone who says otherwise is dumb" pasta all the time I'd punch him in the dick.

What are the comfiest ds3 big ass weapons to just wreck shit with?

I want chunks of health to be flying off bosses

>>164033646
>>he two hands a rapier
if you mean a rapier rapier, ok. but the estoc is supposed to be 2handed
>>he uses a katana with a shield
ain't nothing wrong with that, for some shields at least. now, a katana with western armor, that's a real kick in the nuts

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>>164033806
>He can't read
>He can't greentext

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r8 my slider-fu

>>164034075
yhorm's giant dildo of 700 AR
black knight dick extender

>>164034312
you tried/10

>>164034312

Cute actually.

>>164034312
Give me your face/10. Seriously though, can I borrow it indefinitely?

>>164034312
why is your head so fucking small?

>>164033806
I'm stealing that fashion

2good, I've been trying to find something that goes well with the archdeacon robe for ages

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>>164035001
it's a classic des invader fashion

>>164035001
the favor set and the brass set work rather well with archdeacon robes, lorian's leggings also fit. I prefer the pontif crown over the archdeacon hat tho

>>164035201
MOTHER
FUCKING
MEATCLEAVER

love the weapon, it was the weapon I used in my first playthrough

>>164027727
how the hell are you an anti-twink if you're SL200

>>164035525
No upwards limit

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>>164035525
in ds1 you invade infinitely upwards
i can be SL700 and i will get SL10 shitters invading me in parish
it's always so fun, especially if i dress as a newbie with drake sword and suddenly swap to a demon's spear and start DWGR flipping

>>164035665
>and suddenly swap to a demon's spear and start DWGR flipping
I prefer swapping to smoughs hammer after unexpectedly parrying
though admittedly I got the idea from a webm I saw here

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>>164035781

>>164035665
>>164035650
Damn, really?
I thought that level 387 guy fought people in that range.

How the FUCK do you consistently get counterthrust hits?

It's like this weird shit at the end of people's attack animation, like this small set of frames right before they obviously roll away that you have to hit them, not the whole attack animation but usually just at the end of it. I want to use a leo ring build with no hornet ring so badly but it doesn't make sense unless I can be scoring counterthrusts all the time. Only way I can think of is to use a RHH with a simple infused weapon art shield and just tool on people with perseverance so I can actually legitimately trade with people consistently and not get rekt on the receiving end of the damage.

>>164035665
Isn't that still pretty rare to have happen? Or can you somehow force it through DSCM?

>>164035874
>Beat Artoias with Drakesword
>noob

Who would believe this nonsense?

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>>164035665
I prefer dressing as a chainmom and chaining people then looking skyward. It is an art long lost to the people of /dsg/.

I'm level 55 on dark souls 3, if my friend buys the game can I still join his games if he summons me and help him though it all?

>>164036147

Yeah, just use a password and tell him where you're putting your white soapstone sign down at.

>>164036147
yes, it scales your stats to match your shitter buddy's

>>164036093
>rare
there's literally no difference for the game where to send you
if there's invaders in your IP pool, you can just rape dried finger and get them
connection fix helps too

>>164036147
Passwords ignore the soul level and weapon upgrade. You can be SL600 and he might be SL10 with password you can play with him but you'll get downscaled to his shitty stats.

>>164036223
Wait what, how does that work?

Does it just scale your HP and damage output or something?

>>164036112
>Coop

>>164036247
I got the impression it still had the higher SL on lower priority. I've never been matched with someone much higher while invading before at least.

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>>164036365
>I've never been matched with someone much higher while invading before at least.
ha
not been invading for too long then

>>164036365
When the game was active it was common enough. Of course, you'd also get some 90-130 guys you'd fight normally, but twinks, being on stat budgets, are easy to make out.
And the burg had so many ways to fuck with them. Rapported NG++ knights would usually one shot them

I just killed the dragonslayer armor on the first try.

I remembered that as being the boss that gave me the most trouble. Did they change him at all?

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Ha ha look at this bullshit that represents every single fight in DaS1 whereas DaS2's netcode was literally perfect.
Now come at me with you rare webums of lagswitchers.

>>164036731
go back to /v/ you fucking attention whore

>>164036460
damn son
what level is that? 200+? I don't remember the calculation

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>>164036554
the funniest way to screw with low-level invaders is ng+7 Solaire and Lautrec in Parish
there's only one way down after a spawn spot and you can block it
invader has no choice but engage them, and they are fucking immortal terminators with ungodly resistances and 3k HP

>>164036731
All I can see in that webm is a vit gauging, chaos rapier wielding, combustion attuned, mask wearing faggot getting shat on by a host who summons NPCs

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>>164034624
I'd love to but I forgot to save it to favorites. Feel free to reverse engineer it though.
>>164034734
She's supposed to be a kid.

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>>164036895
i'm pretty sure that's even higher, like SL400 or shit

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>>164036847
Can't handle how your game is shit while my game is perfect? topcuck

>>164036895
That's over 400 for sure, my high score is a level 370 and I think he paid out something like 130k.

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>>164036895
457. http://darksouls.wikidot.com/soul-level you get 10% of the souls used for the last level up. some people are just fags
>>164037149
>She's supposed to be a kid.
then her head should be even bigger

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>poisoning high wall hosts and observing them with an obscuring ring on
Why is this so satisfying?

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>>164037321
when i see shit like this i just turn on counter cheats
this scum should be punished

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>>164037642
>needing cheats
also, more than 100 stability does nothing, you should have put better reductions instead

how do you jump on top of the Old Wolf of Farron? can't find the right angle

>>164038501
gottem. do it from the edge of the stairs

I don't think I can ever go back to fighting outrider knights normally now that I realized they're super easy to cheap out with a greatbow

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Huh, why do these guys see right through Hidden Body (+ Slumbering Dragoncrest)?
Almost nothing else does, other than player-like NPC's and a select few big enemies (eg giants).

Does Dark Souls II SotFS have a matchmaking level cap like Dark Souls? Is there some soul level I should stay under if I want to keep getting co-op and pvp action?

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>>164032125
>>164032000
>aldrich feasted on his living flesh
Looks fucking disturbing fammo

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>>164039269
Nice

So what's the mod/program I need to get better online connectivity in das1? Is it this DSCM thing?

Why the fuck is there no ping limit setting for online?

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>>164039452

>>164039460
Yes. Also get the PVP Watchdog for anti-cheat.

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>no more (you) to ctrl+f in 4chan threads anymore

Welp, I think that's the final straw for me with this website. Goodbye /dsg/, it was fun while it lasted.

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Is 66STR build just a meme in DaS3? I mean the difference in AR between 50STR and 66 is not even that big and the saved up points could be redistributed elsewhere?

>>164040371
>not using 4chanX/appchanX or equivalent
>almost 2017
? ? ?

>>164040487
Are you accounting for twohanding?
Compare 75 str to 99str

Though I don't disagree that it's insignificant on most weapons

>>164027285
Do I tell Anri if I found her friend when I killed him?

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What should I do with all of these?

I cant buy boss weapons

>>164040887
ng+ and don't kill the bird lady you doofos

>>164040835
Yeah, it doesn't really matter much at that point though. Oddly enough she never acknowledges it and just acts like she never could find him, despite erecting a grave for him down there when you tell her.

>>164040487
ds3 has this weird thing where when you're nearing a softcap (or even the hardcap) things get progressively better until the cap is reached. 66 str may not seem to add much, but the difference between 75 and 99 is huge

>>164040487
there's no reason to go over 40 str if your build is below sl100
in fact, it's straight harmful
66STR only exists for SL120, or even better, 130, it only gives a worthwhile boost to a small pool of weapons

>>164041129
>huge
I mean... it's 41 AR on a twohanded yhorms, which I think is the highest scaling strength weapon. I wouldn't call it huge.

>>164040145
Alright, thanks. The d3d9.dll from the watchdog fucks up my screen ingame, is it essential for the thing to work?

Is there anything that prevents me from dropping a friend a bunch of titanite scales, twinkling titanite, and maybe some rings, then have my friend give those items to a lower level character of mine?

It should work, right?

>>164041672
Did you read the readmes and are you using sweetfx?

>>164040794
The weapons I was checking the numbers on were Millwood battle axe (heavy infused) and Yhorm's great machete.
>66STR Millwood 497 1h/ 538 2h
>50STR Millwood 480 1h/ 505 2h
17AR and 33AR less
>66STR Yhorm 650 1h / 707 2h
>50STR Yhorm 623 1h/ 666 2h
27 AR and 41 AR less
That's not much for investing 16 points that I could dump into VIT or something and still kill people with the same amount of hits.

I'm a newfag and I'm stuck at the bell gargoyles (yes, lol).

I'm trying to git gud, but am having a hard time. I am managing to get to the first gargoyle's back and landing a few hits, but never enough to kill it before the second one lands. Feels like my damage is too low.

When the second one lands and the fire breathing starts the fight is simply over for me. I'm not being able to dodge the fire.

I'm using the winged spear+the drake sword, also the initial knight set. I don't want to summon Lautrec/Solaire.

Should I try to farm a few more levels? Maybe getting a better weapon? (Besides getting gud)

>>164041884
Have you upgraded your spear?
Also, don't use the Drake Sword.

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>>164040448

>>164041884
Try hitting them and rolling through their attacks. Block them if you're not confident when it comes to rolling. Try keeping your encumbrance down so you won't fat roll.

>>164041884
If you have the stats for the dreck sword, you have the stats for the claymore. Go get it from the bridge. It'll stagger the fuck out of the gargoyles and hit hard while it's at it.

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>>164039452
>>164039851
>>164040448
>>164042139
Too good.

>>164041884
Watch your stamina. You need it to outmanuver the second gargoyle. As soon as you hear it drop, unlock your targeting and run PAST it.
Also try taking some (or maybe even all) armor off. You'll roll much faster and it'll be easier to avoid attacks outright.

>>164042093

I suppose I haven't found the blacksmith who upgrades weapons yet. If I can reach him before killing the gargoyles I'll go look for him, though. Also, I avoid the drake sword as much as I can.

>>164042223

Didn't know carrying a lot of useless stuff made my rolls slower. Thanks, anon.

>>164042256

I'll go look for the claymore, thanks a lot.

>>164041884
Stop using the drakesword.

Because you used this weapon, you formed a habit of R1 spamming and getting used to just outtrading everything. This doesn't work on most tough enemies in the game, so you're shitting the bed on the easiest boss.
Unequip the Drakesword, go back to the first bonfire in undead burg, and fight your way through with a regular weapon.

>>164041864
No, I'm not, only thing I have is dsfix.
The readme just told me to unpack the stuff in the data folder when not using sweetfx.

My brother just picked up Dark Souls during the steam Christmas sale and wants to play it with me. What's a fun, unorthodox build I could go for? I was thinking of doing fist weapons but I'm open to suggestions.

>>164042484
The blacksmith is outside the church. Go the opposite direction of where the elevator is.

>Use Morne's Rage
>invader circles around me going for the backstab
I bet he felt smart too, before he took 1119 damage

>>164040487

It's hard to say since sometimes those few extra AR means the difference between killing someone or not killing someone when you hornet riposte them. That aside you're right, though.

>>164042610
Bonewheel shield is actually a lot of fun, though that requires farming (or CE) to get it early.

I also had fun doing bow only. In DS1 you can make it quite viable. Remember that hornet ring increases headshot damage and leo ring increases your counter damage.

Can I take gems out if I don't like them?

Why are hammers so underrated in DaS3? They got a huge buff by gaining poise and getting insanely better range and speed on their attacks, and if you stack a very reasonable amount of poise (I think it's around 26) you basically have a faster-swinging greatsword that has diagonal and horizontal attacks instead of vertical ones, with insane AoE.

I mean with a 2H heavy mace I can literally just run into a gank, pop perseverance as they all try to attack me and start swinging on them and ultimately win the trade, especially at low levels I run into no one who can poise through my attacks so I always win out against greatsword users because I'm faster. Plus the Mace looks sexy as all hell and makes great thunking sounds when you whack people, it really feels like you're swinging this heavy blunt object you're bashing people with.

tl;dr try playing with a Heavy Mace on a str build some time, 2H it with at least 26 poise and use perseverance a lot in invasions you won't be disappointed

>>164029870
>>164029619

Demon's Souls is ridiculously floaty.

>>164043461
Because faggots think it doesn't look cool
that's literally it

>>164043179
the best part about bows is they have little to no recovery. i was able to quickly dispatch sword silver knights by charging shots, shooting when they attacked and rolling away before they connected. spear ones were real assholes though
>>164043447
you can undo the infusion, but you won't get the gem back. you need a shriving stone

>>164043461
>hammers
>underrated
everyone knows they're r1 machines, anon. especially that 3rd one is ridiculous

I'm east coast trying to coop ds2 with someone west coast, is this even possible? Have name engraved ring

>>164043840
sure it is, even if you had regional lock on, the regions are japan and not-japan

>TFW you miscalculate a plunging attack and miss the host and get raped by him and his phantoms

I hate this.

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>>164043572
>mace
>doesn't look cool

do these niggas even DEUS VULT?

>>164044130
tfw you invade into a ng++++++ mage gank squad w/seed

>>164043727
>3rd 2h r1
Don't even remind me, that shit looks terrible. Your character slides across the damn floor.

anyone have the hawkwood image where he thinks about being a dragon but hes also depressed

So is the capra demon considered a good boss fight in the souls community ?


Because I want to fucking die right now


really enjoying the rest of the game though

>>164044165
that looks ridiculous

>>164044404
Capra Demon is a poiselet, git gud. Kill the doggie first.

Now that the dust has settled, was SotFS a good idea?

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>>164044493
well I'd like to walk out of the fog gate first

>>164044404
Try to dodge the jump attack because it's probably breaking your guard.

Can someone help me with aldia,
all the people i keep summoning always die right away

>>164044517
No, but it did improve on the base game somewhat in a lot of places. DaS2 was such a mess though, it's a shame it was even released at all after the trainwreck of the development process it went through

>>164044609
>walk in
>roll forward
>claymore 2hr2
>one doggo down, capra staggered
>kill second doggo during capra's eighty year long stagger animation
>bully capra for not having more poise
It just works.

>>164044869

I'm usually an invader but reading this makes me want to just spend a day putting my white soapstone down and purposefully dying immediately to every boss. Like, haha enjoy a harder boss now asshole :^). That or at least run to the corner of the battlefield and pull out my binoculars.

I just beat Dragonslayer Armor, I already beat Oceiros and haven't started the DLC. In which order should I tackle the rest:
>Grand Archives
>Untended Grave
>Archdragon Peak
>Painted World of Ariandel

Why does nobody in the arena ever follow me up to the pillar?

>>164045410
because memes and silvercat ring

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I beat the game at 73 hours

>can't skip credits

>>164045550
I don't do that though, I literally just take a leisurely stroll up there when I reach 10% HP

half the time they let me and gesture at the bottom or do some other stupid shit while I use great heal

>>164045123
>not using warmth on the boss

That's why you're only invading. Too dumb to be creative

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>>164045614
>skipping credits

>>164045671
>while I use great heal

So Arena is still garbage then, huh? So glad this game has invasions or else I would have quit a long time ago.

>>164045087
>put on wolf ring and whatever armor i have
>punch their stupid ganking faces in
>???
>you defeated

>>164045901
People in the arena really are fucking dumb, I don't know why they give me so much space to heal up all the time

>>164045831
how are the twinspears S rank for versatility?

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>>164044271

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I finished this theme based on the Dancer, for the incredibly small subset of people in this thread liable to give a shit.
https://3dsthem.es/8310

>>164046107
because while you can stab, you can also stab

wow

>>164046186
>ds3 dragon
>wings
>>164046206
don't forget how you can also stab-stab-doublestab

>>164046189
6.5/10

>>164046393
bretty gud for my first attempt at it then

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>begin journey 2 to Drang

is that to start ng+?

>>164046460
yes

>>164046460
Yes

>>164046460
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/new-game-plus

>beat some dumbfuck in the arena by throwing him off the pillar because he would do nothing but backpedal on the ground
>get 50 group invites that all say something like "gg ez" or "git gud"

I really wish steam didn't allow for that dogshit spam

>>164046023
Yeah but using healing miracles and the big tower thing are pretty cancerous in the first place. The whole thing just seemed really lame to me after playing it for the first 2 or 3 days when it first came out. Even worse since there's literally one fucking map.

>>164046880
But he has to manually invite you to every single one of his gayclubs and you can decline all of this shit with one button.

>>164046935
>Yeah but using healing miracles and the big tower thing are pretty cancerous in the first place.
By what reasoning do you arrive at that conclusion?

I'm trying to get the platinum trophy for dark souls 2 but I have 4 million soul memory and still need 30 sunlight medals. I tried to get summoned for 3 hours today at different locations but nothing.

One the plus side, just made my way through Sunken expansion for first time. I was surprisingly short.

Any bros on ps4 want to help me with sunlight medals?

Any tips on min/maxing a drang twinspear build for SL35 +4 invasions?

They look like fun and most weapons work at this level so I want to at least try. Main plan is to just use the twinspears and grass crest (for the stamina regen while on my back, for when parry kings get uppity and need to be backstabbed, and just for fashion in general), and will use at least prisoner's chain if not one of the other +5 stat rings as well, but otherwise everything is up for debate beyond that.

>>164047091
The arena is a bad one. You are abusing the terrian instead of just fighting.
That's why everyone who actually wants duels and not the faggotry goes to pontiff's or HW.
Until the second DLC adds a flat one, of course

>>164047196

Actually I changed my mind. I'm gonna go with drang warrior cosplay and wear some minimalistic headpiece like pyromancer's crown so my flat defense doesn't get fucked, and use human pine resin. Beyond THAT, I'm open to suggestions for stats and such. Bloodring might be a bit much combined with chain tho.

>>164046935
>using healing miracles is pretty cancerous
how much of a cocksucking whiner can you be?

>>164045258
Anyone?

>>164047340
>The arena is a bad one. You are abusing the terrian instead of just fighting.
Well nah, it's just an arena. Would you prefer a flat, featureless void a la final destination?

You didn't say what about great healing is cancerous though

Is 150K SM good for invading lost bastille and fighting bellbros?

>enough attunement slots for tears of denial and lightning weapon
>tfw feel like too much of a faggot when buffing twice so I never use the weapon buff

>>164045831
I thought GS Spear would be more viable than it is.
I tend to force trades with the WA and can pretty much always get more out of the trade it than my opponent can.
Especially if he's using a straight sword or somesuch.

>>164045258
Whatever strikes your fancy. You might do graves, archives, peak and ariandel.

>>164047452
>Would you prefer a flat, featureless void a la final destination?
Yes, everyone actually asks for this. It's why no one says the area fir dueling is better than in 1 or 2. Current arena is okay for groups but huge and with elevations ruining 1v1s. Every other match quickly became faggots cat jumping, running in circles around the pillars or just going up pillars to waste time. Just go invade for this sort of thing, using great heal, which you'd actually earn in a flat arena if cast, just prolongs the fight since you'll always keep trying to fuck around with the terrian to cast it instead of fighting

>>164047938
Good opinions.
You still didn't answer why you think that healing miracles are cancerous.

>>164047128
I'm not on console myself but I'd probably just try at king's gate.

Equal priority invasions when?

>>164048018
First of all there are at least 2 different anons you're talking to here.

Secondly, he literally did just explain why they're cancerous in arena duels. I mean:
>using great heal, which you'd actually earn in a flat arena if cast, just prolongs the fight since you'll always keep trying to fuck around with the terrian to cast it instead of fighting

He literally just explained it bluntly why you're a faggot.

>>164048018
I just did though? They are cancerous in the arena because you're abusing the bad arena and wasting everyone's time

>>164048239
I didn't actually read his post. Good on you.

It's not really an argument though because nothing prevents him from just putting on a cat ring and keeping up the pressure.

>>164048081
Nah, summoners deserve to be taken down.

How do I git gud at PvP?

Seems like everybody has infinite stamina and ridiculous hitboxes except for me

No clue what the fuck is wrong desu

I'm in 1-1

I have not died in body form

I have beaten Phalanx

Why the fuck is the gate towards Butcher still locked, what am si missing?

Is the skeleton king hard?

>>164047938
I play arena a lot and in the last like 2 weeks I've seen 1 guy doing pillar cat ring shenanigans and maybe 2 trying to use heals.

>>164048442
Not if you know the special trick. If you don't, you might get overwhelmed.

>37 poise using a 2h mace
>still can't tank through 1h straight sword hits

how much fucking poise do I need FUCK

>>164048635
26 is enough to tank light weapons, but you need to learn how to trade properly that means in your active hyperarmor frames

>>164048392

I had the same sort of issues, also started to PVP in these games recently. Biggest thing for me was realizing when you're outmached in invasion situations, like if someone invades you, 90% chance they are twinked out so if you lose it isn't really a big deal. Other than that you have to work on learning weapon ranges, it's the fundamental skill you need to win I think.

>>164048442
No, they're pretty underwhelming. But with a special trick you can make it a fun fight

>>164048801
I'm not that new mang

Do maces just have super late HA? I can be well into my swing but still get staggered

>>164048442
He drank a lot of calcium so yes.

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>>164046961
Or keep the invitations as a good record of how many butthurt jimmies that were bothered.

>>164048928
thanks

>2h hand heavy mace with preservereance
>still stun

What even is going on?

Whoever was talking about the mace 3 hit combo wasn't kidding. That's the most consistent rollcatch I've used yet.

>>164048970
>0:06-0:08
>lag
I want to see more tests. I think straight swords are primarily op because of their above average swing speed + wide arc.

>>164048621
>>164048883
I wouldn't call glowing weak points a special trick.

>>164049291
I was wondering who the fuck they meant. How can you even consider the glowing bracelets a special trick? Doesn't he take like 5 damage per hit if you hit him anywhere else?

>>164048895
they actually activate quite fast

>>164048367

That's like saying there's nothing preventing someone from switching to a washing pole when you just constantly run away forever, it's still fucking cancerous and really lame because while you can do it, it's not fun to play like that even if you win.

>>164049291
i thought he meant the skeleton lords
and was meming in expense of >>164048621

>>164049523
Well, there isn't anything preventing you from switching to a chase weapon when people do this.
Kind of an easy win if you do.

You're given the tools, why do you denounce everything that requires you to use tools youre less comfortable with as "cancerous"?

It's just me or 1h hammers are just a better version of greathammers?

-cover more area
-not that much difference in damage
-can reach better hyperarmor because they weight less and let you wear all the armor you want
-faster perseverance

>>164049184
Headshots always stun. You probably fought an Onikiri and Ubadachi user.

>>164049523
>nothing preventing someone from switching to a washing pole when you just constantly run away forever
exactly? or switching to a ccs when encountering a greatshit turtle. you know, actively trying to counter the enemy and adapting instead of whining? and an argument could be made against WP and CCs because of the faggots (passive and r1 spammers respectively) that use these but that's a) from's fault for poor balance and b) simply not applicable in cat ring's case

>>164049745
They also have less poise health meaning you need to wear more armor to get the same values as greathammers.

>>164049291
Thats not the trick though. It's avoiding the toxic gas by standing next to Wolnir so you don't need to flee. It's overpowered and I hope it gets fixed.

>>164049913
But you can easily outarmor greathammers except the large/greatclub because they weight so much that you just can't fit enough poise in a 120 build.

>>164048392
>>164048829

People complain about shit like R1R1R1R1 but honestly PvP and really even PvE are about timing and spacing. It's not so much which buttons you press or in what combination, but at what time you press them and how far away you are from the enemy when you press whatever button you're using to attack. It's about being unpredictable and learning how to punish people who are acting predictably, understanding the psychology of their playstyle. The best players know how to switch things up, remain unpredictable, know when to run away to recuperate and know how to counter any given situation, this is particularly important when fighting against ganks.

Otherwise it's just practice. You die a lot and then you research the game and you watch good players play (although that's harder now with most of the """""pillars of the community""""" being long gone now) and generally whenever you get your ass beat you try to learn from each experience and either try to copy them or think of how to counter them. You start with a quality build and play around with all of the weapons, learning their strengths and weaknesses and their attack timings if you want to get into parrying.

All-in-all you should be happy you aren't gud at PvP yet. It becomes harder and harder to find good challenging fights when you git gud, that's why people usually progress from PvE to honor duels to invasions to gank spanking, you keep chasing that high you originally got from those adrenaline-fueled fights where you died a ton and got super frustrated before finally winning by the skin of your teeth. You need to find either more OP opponents or use less OP weapons.

>>164050015
I fit 46 poise in my ugs build at sl120, so I don't know about that.

How come I an invading a flux of people with 3 or more phantoms? This never happened much in the previous games?

>>164050105
>Implying the "pillars of the community" were ever good
Dude, they stopped playing ds3 because they were too shit pvp.

>>164049745
Having played both a lot I can tell you that if somebody knows what they're doing with a greathammer will fuck the hammer guy 100% of the time.

It's basically a spacing/catching people while they're not in perserverance game.
Greathammers have an insanely big advantage over hammers: They can poisetank your attacks (almost any attack) without needing to perserverance up first. If you're using a mace, you can't tank greathammer attacks unless you WA first.
It sounds like a small advantage, but it's crucial

>>164050141
Am I talking about ugs here? I'm talking about hammers and greathammers.

A full havel wielding a mace has way more poise than any dragon tooth user could hope for, specially because the stamina consumption on hammers isn't as severe as greathammers, so you don't need 40 end, so you have even more extra points to spend on vit and thus wear even heavier stuff.

I got Dark Souls 2 for Christmas and despite being really good at DS1 I'm having a hard time. Everything seems so... floaty, from the way I move around and roll to the way enemies swing their weapons. Is this a normal problem people have had when transitioning from DS1 to DS2?

>>164050351
Dark souls 3 is still alive and doesn't have shit like soul memory or constant "summoning failed" messages.

Got a steam gift card, is Dark Souls III worth it? I have ignored basically all info about it since release, so I would be going in completely blind.
Is it still active online?

>>164048895
>>164048635

Post a webm of you using the mace then so we can laugh at you.

>>164050730
You can thank mocap for that.
And there are people who defend this crap.

>>164050105

PvE > Honor Duels > Invasions > Gank Spanks

Flowchart of All That Is Gud and True

Love being at Gank Spank level.

>>164050351
Invading prioritizes people with phantoms

>>164050849

Very difficult to be at Gank Spank level these days

>>164050810
It's pretty good
Still gets over 10000 people every day

>>164048970

Pretty sure this was before the poise patch that changed everything including the attack animations of greatswords, hammers, etc

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Ganks can be fun

>>164050837
You can thanks bloodborne for it.

>>164051003

Yeah, that patch added more phantom range.

>>164049184
>complaining about something happening that shouldn't happen
>no webm

god fucking dammit WE CAN'T HELP UNLESS WE SEE WHAT ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPENED

YOU PROBABLY DID SOMETHING DUMB BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S DUMB BECAUSE YOU'RE A BIG DUMB FAGGOT

>>164050351
From decided to shit down all the duel faggots throats and made it so that every invasion is maximum fun

>>164051123
Just use greathammers. It'll happen to you too. Ultras are the most inconsistent weapons to use, there's no reason to use them besides purposely gimping yourself for challenge.

>>164050730
Yeah if you started with DaS2 then the other games would look janky as fuck.
Only BB stood the test of time though.

>>164050849
Whats the difference between gank spanks and invasions?
>>164050810
I can definitly recommend it. It has great bosses and plays fast and smooth. Weaponarts are a neat mechanic and the story and endings are interesting.
>>164050585
Even with all poise obtainable in the game greathammers will always shit on hammers.

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Are the Dancer's Blade any good? They look so cool.

>>164050585
If it's possible to stack up high poise with UGS then it's also possible with other big weapons. With full havel's you can't even trade with 2h greatswords because you don't have enough poise. Great job.
>even heavier stuff
havel provides the most poise, so ? ? ?

>DS3 on sale
>dlc isn't
??

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>>164049185

Yeah it's pretty sweet. I mean it's still dependent generally on a good connection and how the enemy rolls, but still.

>>164051327
But you're less likely to have spare equip load to stack as much poise you need. The problem is how retarded heavy are great weapons. Weapons having weight is retarded in the first place, but that's another problem, related to vit being also a retarded stat that shouldn't exist.

>havel provides the most poise, so ? ? ?
Lothric Knight Longspear or Yhorm's Shield

>>164051261
>not even 2 years old
>test of time

What the fuck

>>164051491
JESUS

>>164051292
They require a very specific build and even then they do underwhelming damage.

>>164051292
Pretty good at 40 dex.

>>164051523
>>164050585
How much poise do you need in the current patch to tank a 2hr1 from a greathammer without perserverance?
Using a hammer class weapon, of course.

>>164051235
he said heavy mace not heavy great mace. It's not a greathammer it's just a regular hammer.

also ultras are great for invasions against ganks. when you've got 3 guys chasing you try switching to a 2H'd profaned GS or great club or yhorms (though I prefer the horizontal swiping ones) and turning-and-burning the shit out of them, guarantee they'll get off your dick immediately and one or two of them might even die.

>>164051696
Even full havel's + wolf can't.

What's a good PvE build for a newbie in DS3?

>>164048970
this was several patches ago though

>>164051696
You probably can't, but that's besides the point because greathammers are piss easy to dodge.

The point is hammers are better than greathammers against most weapons, like spears and greatswords.

Recommend me a fun weapon for my sorcerer character. Low to mid stat requirements.

>>164051696
62 poise to poise through every second strike and 70 to poise through every single one.

>>164049745

1H hammers don't get any hyper armor, greathammers do. Actually I'd say one of the big underappreciated uses of ultra weapons is that they're the only ones that get HA even when only 1H'd, except for when it was a meta fad for a short time to dual wield a SS with offhand yhorms.

>>164051809
>but that's besides the point because greathammers are piss easy to dodge.
Mate, if you're basing your theorycrafting off the idea that you can't be hit, you might aswell wear no armor and no weapon.

It's absolutely easier to kill greatsword users with greathammers than it is with hammers.

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>>164051736
>also ultras are great for invasions against ganks
>2 hits and you're out of stamina
>get absolutely rekd by the 4 team man

There's no weapon called "heavy mace" you cucks

I wonder what Miyazaki was smoking when he decided the stamina consumption of ultra weapons

>>164051764
Heavy broadsword with a greatshield. Thats what carried me through my first playthrough.

>>164051972
>using an ultra at 15 endurance
the fuck are you doing?

>>164051764
bleed build with anri's straight sword/carthus curved sword unless
>newbie
means you can't even use roll button properly

>>164052109
Go fight a gank and tell me if you have spare stamina while dodging 4 way attacks.

Fighting ganks is all about hit and run, the faster the weapon, the better.

>>164052249
I've been spanking ganks all day today, using Morne's Greathammer, the hammer consuming the most stamina out of all of them.

I think you're just shit.

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>tongueless goddess
>tongueless firekeeper
>devoted covenant member
>devoted goddess knight
What did they mean by this?

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>>164050837
>being a bitchboi

>>164052381
I think you're just good.
Fast weapons are objectively better for ganks.

Also show your build, I love Morne's but I can't fit the thing anywhere.

>>164051271

Invasions are when you can handle a random enemy or two, Gank Spanks are when you can handle 3+v1.

>>164052475
>making a cancerous faggot video into a webm

>>164050485

I'm just saying even people like iskys and jund barely seem to play the game anymore if at all, let alone the soulbrandt faggots. Mostly just sad to see the viewer numbers on twitch for DaS3 or souls games in general, especially since the ones who pull the bigger numbers still are just speedrun fags and don't even PvP.

>>164050849

Basically.

>>164050984

Not really, just stick to low and mid levels. Honestly I wouldn't go past SL50-60 at +6 or +8, but some people go as high as SL70 +8 but I feel like that's when it starts to become overwhelmingly cancerous and you tend to invade the same people a lot.

When it comes to gank spanking you start at low levels and you go to higher SL's and WL's when you want it to be more difficult. The most difficult obviously would be SL120-140 aldrich meta bullshit which is generally the most cancerous of all and generally full of OHKO builds. I find SL35 +4 and SL55 +6 to be the most fun and balanced, as balanced as gank spank invasions can be anyways.

>>164052475
You shouldn't be able to two hand small weapons in the first place. It looks terribly silly and always did.

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>>164051523
Damn son, just 60 vit not even tank through everything. Hammers sure are amazing

>>164050351

Soon you'll get frustrated enough to learn how to come up with proper gank spank builds. Don't worry, keep playing and dying. It's necessary to cure you of this "honor" disease so many people seem to be infected with. Only then can you truly be free.

>>164052536

FC Crashing is also up there with Gank Spanning.

>>164051570

Rollcatching is fun af once you get the spacing and timing down for panic rolling.

>>164052446
>shotel
>magical shotel
>invaded with unique black orb
>invaded with unique black orb
>retrieve the essence to restore the owner
>retrieve the essence to restore the owner
they mean they are out of ideas

>>164052505
can't show right now but I have 40 strength, 35 faith, ~25 vig, ~35 end and vit, wearing the cathedral knight set with alva legs and gloves.

just enough att for 2 attunement slots so I can use tears of denial

>>164052969
>cathedral knight set with morne's

what SL is this? 200?

>>164052756

This. The pinnacle of Dark Souls is when you start shedding the last of your flaws and build yourself to deal with multiple prepared human opponents.

>>164053047
119

I don't even have +2 rings mate, you can fit that in there easy. I'm even wearing a rose of ariandel offhand

>>164053047
You can be 120 with that.
Look at his vig