/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

First for where are you Tourneyanon?

I claim this thread in the name of the forest may it eternally flourish with lush Evergreens

Why did Toady change the quest system from 0.34? I like how straightforward the quests are. Also, no enemies announce their name anymore in 0.42

>tfw want to play adventurer but my shit pc makes the lag unbearable

>>163928757
turn off weather and temperature.

>>163929056
Oh, okay, I'm not with my pc right now, it's this option actually in game or in DF Hack?

>>163929952
also limit graphical fps to 20 or 15, calculation fps to 200. it's in the lazy newb menu.

What affects the chances of having Mercs show up and petition you for residence? all ive had is performers so far

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Post forts faggots.

My fort ground floor, little unfinished but we will get there.

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>>163930379
Noob here can you tell

>>163930919
>Square rooms
>Putting two chairs to one table
>Sand
>Animals running around meeting hall
>Dorms
>Refuse
>Stone stockpile
>Wall at entrance that blocks out everything
>That farmplot
>2x2 corridors

Easily.

>>163930919
>>163931230
Very easily.

>>163931230
>>Square rooms
And ?

>>Animals running around meeting hall
Aand ?

>>Dorms
Annd ?

>>2x2 corridors
And ?

Nothing wrong with those. Rest is kinda accurate.

>>163931498
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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YEEEES !!! FUCKING FINALLY !!
After dozens of forts with mood dorfs getting some usless shit like tanning or bonecrafting - my armourer just claimed metalsmith forge !!

Thank you Armok.

>>163931230
>>163931416
>>163931498

It's like my second game though (dropped the first one)

>>163931230
Also
>square rooms
I don't really know how else to do it lol

>Two chairs in one table
What's the problem here? I have been getting some "annoyed coz crowded table", but what else or is it just design wise?

>Sand
Yeah I guess it's not a good idea but I always just do it in the first place that seems suitable

>Animals in meeting hall
I actually made a post in the previous general lol, I said suddenly a bunch of chickens started to run around in my Fort, that's why the filename is "thefuckhelp"

>Dorms
I don't know making each one of these fags a room for themselves is annoying

>Refuse
2noob to see why that's wrong

>Stone pike
Same thing

>Wall that blocks stuff
Which one do you mean though? There are two rock doors and a ramp

>farmplot
Yeah I don't even know if it has seeds

>2x2 corridors
Again 2noob to get why this is wrong

how to improve

>>163931997
It's okay, anon. You're gonna learn from experience.

>>163931975
I know that feeling.

Dubs chooses my embark.
Will entertain you with dorf shenanigans

>>163933163
absolute best embark possible to give you a death of boredom. non-marble flux layer, copper, iron, bituminous coal, warm, and as low savagery as possible

>>163933163
No metals and no wood, in an evil region with high savagery.

And if possible, you should come from an extinct civ.

>>163933308
You monster

>>163930919
So I was thinking
Is it possible to dig the grass from the upper level? I decided maybe all their resources would be down here and I could make bedrooms, dining halls kitchens and all of that stuff up there, but I can't mine the grass that is up

>>163933628
wot

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>>163933163
High evil glacier with part of ocean for them undead giant sperm whales.

>>163932358
>how to improve

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide

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>>163933163
Here anon, roll this

>>163933163
Terrifying beach

>>163933857
roll

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>>163932358
>I don't really know how else to do it lol
Nothing its autism.

>stone pile
>Same thing
Stone takes a shitload of time to haul so designating stone stockpiles bogs down everything because every dorf has the stone hauling job ON by default. So you either never designate stone piles or switch stone hauling off on everyone except few designated stone haulers ( who preferably should do only that )

>refuse
>2noob to see why that's wrong
Refuse should be either outside or behind clos doors because miasma.

>dorms
>I don't know making each one of these fags a room for themselves is annoying
Again its dfg autism, nothing wrong with dorms.

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>>163933857
roling only for restrictions and goals because fuck you i wont restart another fort.

>>163933857
K

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>>163931975
>>163932674
>dwarf makes artifact Iron shield
>DF crashes before i could quicksave

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

>>163934984
>artifact iron shield
meh

>>163934984
I can't help but laugh at your misery.

Im building a waterfall at the entrance to my fort and i was wondering if I dig the drain directly to the edge of the map will it flow out or stop and cause flooding?

>>163935393
You can't dig all the way to the edge.

HOWEVER, if there is rock, you can smooth the outermost tiles and turn them into fortifications, allowing the water to flow off the map.

>>163935302
>>163935194
I'll take iron shield over some shit like crown or mug anytime of the day.

>tfw load quicksave
>tfw dorf still makes that shield

Booya.

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>>163935845
+job+

I've done more tests

Out of 100 round the human won 41 times and the human500str 59. In the second set the human won 23 times and the human500str 77.

Out of 100 round the human won 48 times and the human500agi won 52. In the second set the human won 46 times and the human500agi won 54.

Out of 100 round the human won 53 times and the human500end won 47. In the second set the human won 26 times and the human500end won 74.

These results are strange, is the difference between 1400 endurance and 1500 endurance really that big? The human400end only won 56 times in the second set.

I've also updated the pastebin with the results http://pastebin.com/UJ7k2UjX

>>163929952
>>163930121

All vanilla init settings.

what music do you play DF with?

>>163939345
>is the difference between 1400 endurance and 1500 endurance really that big
I wouldn't be too surprised. Endurance seems to be really strong since it not only makes it easier to recover from exhaustion, but also increases the point where you suffer exhaustion penalties.
Since exhaustion is basically a death sentence against an unexhausted enemy(especially when stacked with nausea) it basically puts the matches on a timer. If it doesn't end quick enough, the dude with lower endurance loses.

Still, I would expect agility to have a much bigger impact than the others. The guy with the higher agility controls the pace of the fight, and as long as he's not wasting that advantage trying to bite his opponent's teeth out, that usually means victory.


Also, totally unrelated, but I find it fascinating that the size of your heart and lungs actually improves the effect of endurance. If you increase a human's heart and lung size by 20% each, at max endurance they can sprint nonstop for nearly an entire day before they get tired, and all it takes is a few turns of walking to recover. It's like turning the whole race into vampires.

>>163940196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2zcLBr_VM

>>163940196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiEzVx375w4

>>163940196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0xUl_VRCmM

Name dorfs like that and lose them to HFS for bonus points.

>>163940196
If Soundsense could recognise when you fast travel, I'd use this as the fast travel theme:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrFhD87di0I

>>163940308
>does nothing for 5 min
>people applaud him anyways
I fucking hate modern art

>>163941312
postmodern*

Modern art is the best. It's postmodern bullshit you should hate on.

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>>163940308
This is among the stupidest things I've ever watched.

>>163942797
Funny fact: in Swedish, "bål" can mean bonfire or torso.

>>163940196
https://youtu.be/SH8qPiwtsEE?list=PL20B35283715BF385

>>163941541
Is postmodern art actually bad or is it just a lot of art hipsters have a misunderstanding of it?

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>>163944724
Postmodern art is bad for the same reason that postmodern thought in general is bad:
>inherently nihilistic
>attaching the post- prefix too something is basically the scholarly variant of using the "tfw too smart for x" wojak
>generally adhered by upper class brats who can afford not to work towards a better future

>>163945121
So I'll have to look it up myself, because all my years on this website have taught me to never trust greentext.

>>163945294
You have at least one eye, a mind and a soul, I hope. You can look for yourself, no greentext required.

>>163945294
Well, the essence of pomo thought is that we can never solve realpolitical problems like poverty, class divides or war. We can, however, legalise drugs and give public institutions special restrooms for trans people.

Needless to say, those who adhere to it usually aren't victims of poverty or war themselves.

Is this a new meme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkj7i9RNlhg

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>>163927658
>>163928690

that drawing went down better then I expected.

>>163940196
My first choice for fortress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eL9nEGZwQU&list=PLH9C08qrQ7S67j83iF2LvTg_Awt0XR9HR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwcA_MEt8JY&index=7&list=PLYhS9d3Qi9rxdz-IXePApNHxKrrN_8OTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-6pmEIDTAI&index=3&list=PLA38CD93AA1E47E8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP4EJ1dcfiw

Tantrum spiral ost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4psGXjsmf4

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>>163947029

>>163947029
Well I mean, bogeymen are totally bullshit, but this guy is an retardo.
>Whining about getting killed by bogeymen
>Making a video whining about it
>Dwarf Fortress Devs
>V.Drowsy in red, implying that he's gone several nights without sleeping

Almost as stupid as the captchas which think chicken nuggets are sushi.

>>163947029
Bogeymen are easy to kill, just get most of the stats useful for combat to superhuman and train your fighting skills to legendary.

so there's no version of Dwarf Therapist Compatible with 43.05?

>>163940196
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht55OL1vemo*

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Is visiting a populated city in adventure mode without every step taking 10,000 years a pipe dream?

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>Urist McWeaponsmith has claimed a magma forge!

How do I mod the raws to totally remove a creature? I tried it just removing the entry in creatures_standard and now the game just crashes when one apparently tries to enter the map.
>>163934469
Noice gen, give paramaters?

>>163950276
Switch to jogging and/or become a night creature and perma-sprint everywhere.
As long as you're moving faster than the unwashed masses, it speeds the whole thing up a ton.

>>163950402
Okay, that certainly helped. At least now I'll be able to spend my coins and get out of there in a timely manner. Thanks.

>>163950375
You can only remove the raw when generating a new world. You get crashes otherwise.
If you forgot to delete keas before generating your new world, all you have to do is add the [AQUATIC] tag so they airdrown as soon as they spawn.
Other methods include setting their body temperature to lethal extremes(though this is dangerous since they might set stuff on fire or freeze nearby objects), deleting all their internal organs, or changing their tissues to water and then setting their body temperature to water's boiling point.

>>163949785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBowyCSK-Ig

>>163950778
That's the thing, I swear I deleted them from the raws before generating this world.

>>163927658
never thought I would see a crop of mine as the Op
again

>>163949734
y/n?
anyone?

>>163950865
sure you deleted them from the base raws, not the savegame copies?

>>163950887
n

>>163949734
yeah but not 64bit

>>163950950
Yes, because they don't exist in the world population.
But there must be a reference to them somewhere else

>>163951182
Well, you could always remove their brain or something they require to live, causing them to die instantly upon entering the map

>>163940292
Didnt know about the lung and heart stuff, thats amazing
How does the game even recognice this stuff? I dont think that stuff comes from tokens, and if it is hardcoded, how does the game know what organs give that effect?
If I name a modded organ heart, will it have the same properties?

>>163951408
Yeah I'll have to do that after re-genning the world. RIP my fort.

>>163940650
>That track
Fuck me, its like when moot left

>>163950862
took me a second to find my dots
yeah, very nice

>>163950950
>>163950997
fug

oh well
thanks

>>163940292
I thought agility would be more important too.

The result of the test with the human400kin was also unexpected.

how the fuck should i play without dwarf therapist?

>>163952207
You use the DFhack labour manager instead

>>163952207
very slowly and tediously

it's half the fun

>>163952207
(u)nits (l)abors in dfhack
it's rapist in a dorf menu

>cooking lavish meals requires 4 ingredients
>for the longest time, I always thought this meant 4 different ingredients, as in like plump helmets, eggs, meat and sun berries or whatever
>always wondered how my asshole cooks managed to keep driving certain plants extinct by cooking them all when I had a stock of like 50
>turns out they just grab the four nearest food items and smash them together and call it a "roast"
>even if those four items are all the exact same thing

In other news, my kitchen has been relocated into my bird coop, and meals now consist of finely minced hen egg, finely minced duck egg, finely minced hen egg, and finely minced turkey egg.

>>163693373
A day later but
May I ask what books did you purchase?

>>163952259
>>163952995
thanks, i was wondering why therapist died

I'm slowly starting to realize that we are not getting the update this year

>>163954551
well get it in january

>>163954551
Well, we might not even get it next year

>>163953531
Some Heinlein for personal reading and some books for papers and stuff, nothing much in all, though I did the big haul was a X Files book.

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>>163953531
the best

What do you think of this /dfg?
http://imgur.com/a/tLxlU

Found this somehow one day and since then I've been varying how I apply this template for where things go save the workshop rooms for a majority of my forts. For example I'd use the 'barracks' room for accumulating random stockpiles of stuff instead.

>>163928646
The whole conversation system changed, he put back the questing in ways very similar to how they were, and it's 43.05 currently.

>>163932358
A table and chair are a set. If you want the longhouse type setup just do chair table table chair in a row.

>>163933163
Terrifying glacier with blue or purple or pink crud raining from the sky.

>>163950276
Cities aren't that bad even at lower speed, I specifically made dwarves build cities because they're so much less laggy than world-gen forts due to the pathing buttfuck of them all trying to get up to the surface/down inside every time the map loads.

>>163951429
It's the organs that have [BREATHING] and [CIRCULATION] which determine endurance in that way, and their base relsize is 200 and 100, so this is the change responsible:

[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:240]
[RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:120]

>>163952014
Agi is important for top speed and such, but in long fights it's not as critical, I was definitely surprised at how much kin > spa though.

>>163952207
v p l

>>163953001
Not the nearest thing, but the most recently produced/imported. It's a real pain sometimes. I recently had to use stockpile links to force my cook to use some honeybee royal jelly that had been sitting ignored one tile away from the kitchen for years. If you want to go full master chef with a variety of ingredients stockpile links are the way to do it. You can have your main food stockpile feed container-free 1-tile stockpiles that only accept certain kinds of food, which in turn give to the kitchen, so the cook has to select each ingredient from a different stockpile. It's heavy micromanagement on set up, but runs itself after that.

>>163956404
ohh, so It is rawified, I was wrong
Sorry if it sounds stupid because I know jackshit about modding but
>Could you make a creature thats basically all heart material, add [CIRCULATION] to every body part and be undefatigable?

>>163957010
Not that anon, but wouldn't that creature be very vulnerable?

I mean, it's just a big walking heart.

How do i play as a Dragon and basically dedicate my roguelike life to collecting treasures around the world, being revered by villagers surrounding me and INSTILLING TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF MEN?

Any mods/adventure mode allowing it yet? Also, any good graphic tilesets for a bit less autism?

>>163957482
Wait for the next update

Seriously

>>163947029
This requires a special kind of autism. Most casuals would just give up and delete the game after failing to grasp this stuff, but he actually made an, angry, undirected video to "the devs".

He isn't one of you fags, is he?

>>163957554
If it will allow me to play as a Dragon and live the dragon good life of PLUNDER AND FIRE, then sure.
...I guess it's an year away at least uh?

>>163957424
Very Very vulnerable indeed, but what about your health buddy? You wont get any shortage of blood
I'd really like if you could get heart atacks in this game, it would be hilarious to die from a clogged artery being a giant heart

my god this game
I dont even know where to start
how long have you guys been playing this?

>>163958349
Three months

>>163958349
six years

>>163958349
6 hours a day, every day, for 10 years.

>>163957010
If you did that then any hit would make blood fucking pour out of the wound.

Though now I wonder what would happen if you made everything [UNDER_PRESSURE] like guts are, hit someone, their arm pops out and drags along behind them.

What the fuck.

>>163957482
[OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE] or [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES]

Add [GRASP] to something, I like to add it to the smaller teeth in the body_default plan with the large eye teeth so you can carry stuff around with your mouth and predators can strangle prey.

>>163957821
I doubt it's more than a few months away.

>>163957626
I don't know how he managed to install the game without choking to death on a shoe, I'd say it was probably just a dumb joke but that would need some sort of humor wouldn't it?

>bogeymen can be turned off
>they don't show up if you have companions
>they can be beaten if you do a bit of prep instead of running around alone in the woods as a peasant
>devs
I'm not even mad, just so very disappoint.

>>163958349
Oh god, guess it's two and a half years now.

>>163958349
jesus, I've been palying this game for a year and a half, where did time even go?

>>163958349
One

>>163958834
>add [UNDER_PRESSURE] to eyes
Jesus Christ, this game has too much horror potential, and we are at a alpha stage of development, with no significant efforts in adding spookyness
I wonder how come people dont do custom maps to play in adventure mode, like in minecraft

>>163958964
Year? :)

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Made this

assuming DF uses 1.4 as the distance for a diagonal step this is the range you have for <10 movement steps

>>163959978
I don't understand

>>163958349
I started in June of 2014 and I'm just now realizing that that was quite a while ago.
I've only just recently got to the point where I can comfortably play adventure mode AND fort mode without having to alt tab to the wiki every ten seconds too. I still alt tab every ten seconds though, just now I do it for legends viewer/therapist.

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>>163960112

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>>163958349
I just checked and it's over 9 years.

>>163960223
Ah ok

>>163959978
Well, obviously. What was your motivation? I think the time page on the wiki had exact numbers.

>>163958349
I started before 2011, not sure when. I've had this computer since then, but I definitely played on the one I had before.
DF's so fun.

>>163959978
I don't think diagonal steps are treated any differently than orthogonal ones, at least they don't seem to be judging from my disarmed zombie armor training sessions.

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>>163959978
just checked
DF uses 1.4 as an approximation of root(2)
>>163960453
I was bored

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HOW DID THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEE
I MADE MY MISTAAAAKES

>>163960637
>>163960553
Oh nevermind, I guess zombies aren't fast enough to take advantage of it then.
Now I know to avoid diagonal steps when fighting something that outspeeds me.

>>163960812
HAH FAGGOT

>>163960812
Like honestly what do I do with this. I was thinking about giving it to one of my hammerdwarves as a hilarious joke.

Its also in English "The New Ruler" which is so badass. If only it was actually USABLE.

Also 800k dwarfbucks. Not freakin bad.

>>163960812
>>163960952
Give it to your captain of the guard.
Let him smack lawbreakers with it as punishment. It's like tickling them

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>>163960812
>wood burner
>it wasn't even a mood, just a possession
When is possessed getting fucking removed holy shit.
When a dwarf gets possessed, it should be because you have fucking ghosts running around. It shouldn't be the default mood type what the fuck.

>>163961121
>When a dwarf gets possessed, it should be because you have fucking ghosts running around

Oh shit that could work pretty cool
>armorsmith dorf dies
>corpse can't be retrieved, no memorial
>he returns as a ghost
>possesses some cunt
>starts to make an artifact according to his profession and proficiency

neato

>>163960952
Senpai, this is what you are actually gonna do

>make an adventurer called the fallen metal
>Steal the hammer at your fort
>Level up and use the hammer only to kill every sentient being in the world
>When you progress to the era of emptyness, get back to your cabin, pick up some paper and right whatever this experienced adventurer has to read
>Suicide
>Reach the void

>>163960952
Give it to your next ruler.

>>163961121
>>163961281
Yep, this or godly possesions that make the artifact have divine powers
Those are the only logical answers

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>literally 2017
>not using the Monoscii tileset
I seriously hope Armok doesn't do this
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149759.0

>>163962326
>literally 2017
But its not, you big load of huha
You better back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up

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>>163962596
Pls no smack, my military is in shambles after I had to wall most everyone inside the hospital due to a werebadger
protip: use 1x1 Monoscii for maximum clarity, pic related

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>>163962326
>it's the year after the current year

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>>163959304
Custom maps?

Like have someone paint it before world-gen or an entire exported world? Why bother, I've got a world here with a town that was sacked by a hydra, reclaimed, and then ended up with a single goblin hiding in a ruin somewhere for some reason. What is going on there? I dunno, but I look forward to finding them and asking.

Got another town that was taken over by elves at some point, how and when, dunno, worth checking though!

Also, the eyes thing, I might just add to this world and test out.

>>163959978
This only applies below a speed of around 6.0, it doesn't even show up at 9.9/10.0 since you're moving fast enough that it has to round up to a minimum of 1 tick per action.

It looks like it's 13 ticks per diagonal step at 1.0 speed in the arena, and 9 ticks otherwise.

It's 1 tick per step no matter what at 10.0 speed though.

>>163963058
Well, you assume it was a werebadger, but one tan pixel looks like most other tan pixels really.

>>163962326
Holy shit that's disgusting

>>163958349
i don't play df, what the fuck kind of question is that

>>163963143
Wasn't that girl raped or something

>>163963210
No nigga
I mean carefully and intelligently designed fortresses for you to explore in adventure mode

You could do just so much
>Parkour
>Lever stuff=puzzles/ending trapped forever
>coliseums

With the next and some small updates, this could even be easier and more tasteful
You could have signals indicating directions or rules
>artifact hunting
>peddlers located midway to sell you stuff so you keep on

Come on, a guy made a functioning computer in this game but no custom made dungeons, what the fuck?

>>163958349
Started this August, tried to learn some once every week or so. But as of my second fort from today everything is going so smooth I can't wait to play some more after I get some sleep for the night.

>>163963590
But the turkish flag is posted and everything
What the fuck kind of question is that

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>>163963616
I think you're kinda supposed to do some of that stuff yourself, and I parkour and shit all the time.

Also, I'm gonna test the under pressure eyes thing.

>>163963143
She is ugly as shit

>>163963590
>>163963925
guys...
>''she''?

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>>163963925
I wouldn't call her ugly, but honestly, I'm more of a Köksal Baba kinda guy.

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>>163964178
It's an English pronoun typically used to refer to things that are or are perceived as female.

>>163963767
Godspeed anon, You save me trying it myself, please report results

As for the other part, Its really a shame that it isnt done more
Just imagine, you download a save from here and play it in your game
>You spawn in a dark room with several statues of dwarves striking down 10 sheets
>There are two cats in the room, two pressure plates, various levers and a bridge
>Welcome to /dfg/Fortress!
>Escape before its too late...
Yeah, I would consider adding creature memes for you to fight as you escape

>>163964429
isnt 'she' a trap?

>>163964758
That's what makes "her" interesting, Anon.

>>163964758
>>163964178
yeah, she has nudes

>>163963143
so whats the name?

>roach derail
update when

What if Toady dies

>>163967818
what if you die

>>163968216
We're talking about Toady, not me

>>163967818
He already scripted his personality and memory into DF

its the resone its so clunky

>>163967818
toady should release the source code wikileaks style

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>>163967818
ᵂᵉᶫᶫ, ᵗʰᵃᵗ'ˢ ʷʰᵉʳᵉ ᶦᵗ ᵍᵉᵗˢ ᶜᵒᵐᵖᶫᶦᶜᵃᵗᵉᵈ⋅⋅⋅

>>163957821
I think anon is referring to the artifact update. There'll be way more unique NPC made items for you to nab and add to your horde, and I believe people will be sent out to retrieve them if they put out some sort of claim on them.

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>forgotten beast spawns
>skinless, firebreathing
>notice that it's trailing an awful lot of blood behind it, but can't figure out why since nothing has hit it
>it runs up to a crundle and incinerates it, then runs through the flames to chase down another one
>suddenly explosion of blood
>realize that the only thing that makes firebreathing FBs immune to their fire is that their skin becomes fireproof
>and this one doesn't have skin

Fucker ruined my T2 caverns though. They were really nice looking, and I was going to colonize them as soon as my military was outfitted but nooo this bitch had to set the whole thing ablaze in its savage crundlethirst.

Do graphics even make a difference as to how fast this game runs?

>>163969121
no.

>>163964758
no
it's actually queers pushing this agenda all over 4chan in order to acclimate people into thinking all women are shemales

>>163969121
Tileset look doesn't make a difference. Tileset size and turning creature graphics on/off might make a very slight one on your computer in general, but it won't have an impact on the max speed of your game. The bottlenecks are elsewhere unless you have a seriously shitty PC from 2003.

>>163969029
I love how FBs are rarely dangerous just because of some fatal flaw their random gen gives them

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>>163964332
I wish all turks were as ballin as baba

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>>163969018
*hoard*

>>163970301
You should get new companions m8
If you tell them that and they dont try to help, they dont care senpai

Reminder to appreciate your elven neighbours.

>>163970465
IF THEY DIDN'T CARE, WHY WOULD THEY HIT ME WHEN I STEP OUT OF LINE?

>>163970465
Maybe they don't think it's wrong for people to end their lives if they want to

List 5 things you want changed about DF. Not new stuff added, just changes to existing stuff

>Bring back the old thought system so emotions actually matter
>Revamp the strange mood system. Make possessed actually require a ghost to posses the dwarf, make fey only trigger in good biomes and make fell and macabre moods trigger in evil biomes
>Make bandits hostile again
>Allow fast travel through mountains, and across water if your adventurer has novice swimming or higher
>Delete royal jelly, so bees only produce honeycomb which is then processed into wax and honey

>>163958349
2 years my man.

>>163971817
>Bring back the old thought system so emotions actually matter
This, as much as the new system is more realistic

I WANT MY FUCKIGN TANTRUM SPIRALS BACK GODDAMN IT

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>>163971817
Uh, have you encountered bandits?

If they're passive and in a camp then they're refugees or simply don't know who you are.

If they're passive in a town or hamlet or whatnot, are you sure they're not getting ready to rob you or someone else?

If you want dorfs to be bitchier again just reduce the strength of booze euphoria some.

>>163971817
Decrease the amount of times people say the same 1 paragraph spiel about mastering the forces of nature. Like jesus christ. Statements about values and emotions and weather would be preferable spammed than that.

>>163973287
>booze euphoria
That's not the problem. The issue is that the new system isn't integrated with a lot of the mechanics that made the old system matter.
As far as I know, fell and macabre moods are currently impossible, and I suspect tantrums are as well, based on tests involving confining an entire fortress of 60 dwarves onto a single tile burrow and leaving them trapped there for the two years it took for the entire fortress to starve.

You can run your fort entirely on water now, with no downsides whatsoever. Just set up camp next to a murky pool and let the dwarves drink straight from the stagnant water. Unless they try to clean wounds with it, nothing bad will happen.
With the old system, the only way to try and accomplish a sober fort was to have your entire fort packed to the brim with masterwork statues, engravings, furniture, and food, and to give each individual family a palace of their own so they got drowned in happy thoughts every time they ate, slept, or walked to a new location.
Nowadays the only reason to make alcohol is because it's easier than making a well.

The new system is just useless. It might as well not even be there at all.

>>163974512
Oh god this
>mastering the forces of nature would blahblahblah seek bumfuckville in the desert of nowhere if you hunt bumfuckley the dragon!
>ask for directions to bumfuckville
>i don't know, and i don't know anyone that could tell you.
Then shut the fUCK UP you worthless shit oh my god

>>163971817
if changing the presentation/visualization of existing structures and features counts:
>show inventories, wounds, etc as mannequins
>better format thoughts&emotions screen. At least we already have color.
>show unit list and labor toggling like df manipulator
>show stocks development over time with graphs, charts, etc (kind of like the first XCOM)
>some minor adventure mode interface/control improvements

if not, I can't think of anything

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>>163969576
Urist hates working in rain.

>>163978758
I like your drawings, anon. It's depressing, but in a good way.

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>>163981204
Thank you!
these last few have been rather dreary.

>>163978758
I really really like it

>>163978758
Hey, a few days back you made one with some dorfs watching a guy decorate a dead tree for Christmas.
Mind posting it?

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>>163982397
Thanks!

>>163983778
Here you go!

hey guys, total newbie here. how do you prioritize dwarves to do a specific job? Like my miners right now, instead of mining out my fort, they prioritize getting the stockpiling, and then they go mine. I want them to mine first, and then stockpile.

>>163985314
in dfhack, you can you + - when making mining designation to prioritize them, so if you make them all 9 the dwarves will need to have jack shit to do before they go mine them out

>dig a refuse pit for my dwarves to dump all the peach pits into so they stop clogging up my seed stockpile and wasting bags
>some retard pushes his pet duck in there, then drops a peach pit on it, breaking its spine on impact and preventing it from walking out
>60 peach pits later, every one of the duck's internal organs is mangled beyond recognition and the pit is coated in duck blood
>lost a pet to tragedy recently
Holy shit some people should not be pet owners.

>>163986614
I-i though this was a comfy building game

>>163987109
>df
>comfy building game

Complete opposite. This is the game where people created torture rooms for children to see if it affected their stats when they grew up to make better soldiers.

>>163987109
df is a thinly veiled genocide and red room sim

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>>163987109
It is!

>>163989864
>and the injured part explodes into gore
Lmao what, genuinely laughed

>>163987271
H-how can I make torture rooms

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Post comfy builds

>>163990870
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91093.0

>>163990870
>torture rooms
That depends on quite a few factors.
Do you want your victims to live?(This is exceedingly dangerous to do to enemies by the way)
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Danger_room

If survival is optional, or unintended, then you can have even more fun.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Trap (Serrated discs are a favorite of mine. I once bisected a cave ogre with one)
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Trap_design

And if your target happens to be a citizen of your fortress, then there's this handy list
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Unfortunate_accident

There's also plenty of ways to control, capture and contain enemies for future use, either as fodder in your torture rooms, or as a feature in the rooms themselves if you get some nasty megabeast. These are also really useful for silk farms and marksman training rooms, though marksmen suck ass so there's no real reason to train them anyway.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Trap#Cage_trap
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Sally_port

>>163991719
The opportunities this game offers senpai

>>163974512
>>163975176
>>163971817
Social interaction overhaul in general. Make me feel some kind of emotional connection to the people in the world. Toady pretty much already has the framework for such a thing done. It's just a matter of adding a bunch more stuff to said framework.

Is it normal to have a civ that can't forge high boots?
The item exists in the raws, and entity default shows it under dwarves with COMMON, which is the vanilla tag. Is there just a tiny chance that you get fucked and don't get the option to make certain armor pieces?

>>163997582
I've had that before like twice, was a huge pain in the ass. Don't know what exactly causes it.

>>163997582
Difference of COMMON and FORCED

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oh fuck

I'm using War & Mythos, which is pretty cool, but I'm not fond of the "legendary dwarves" that are part of it. How do I remove them? I tried deleting them from the base raws but it just fucked the game up because apparently there was still a reference to them somewhere.

How can I stop them being generated as part of the world completely?

>>164001756
Is your civ falling?
I remember a few versions back it was common to generate worlds with nearly no dwarves (and no living mountainhomes) so you could play the "last outpost" style games.

>>164001756
small sized world?

>>164002135
They were alright on embark, and it's only year 3.
They must have picked a fight with the goblins and got their shit kicked in.
I'm going to retire and start up an adventurer to see what's up.

Any ways to get visitors more often/make them more likely to want to come to my library/tavern?

>>164002886
Open a strip club.

>These girls let ALL their down
>no braids
>no bindings
>hot loose beards

>>164003494
ALL their hair down*
Eating and typing while thinking about loose beards... dammit.

you

>>164004859
t-thanks

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do yuo lik elv?

Just started a haunted biome embark.

Any pro-tips that are a must know?

>>164004859 (You)
There ya go bro.

>>164006067
Hah, it's never as bad as it souOH GOD THE YAK SKIN GOT BACK UP WHY IS IT MOVING HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE BUTCHERS SHOP FUCK ARGH IT HURTS

>>164002135
Figured out how to do it, you've gotta delete their civ entry in entity raws

>>164003810
Tolkien get out. Dwarf women only have beards if you mod the raws.

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is dwarf really white?

>>164010861
Sorry if this has been asked before, but at what point does the myth and magic arc come out for dwarf fortress? After the artifact arc? Justice arc? Economy arc?

pls respond

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>>164010861
Dwarves come in all different colors.

>>164010989
This has been said so many fucking times.

I don't want to seem unfriendly, but in EVERY public appearance Toady has made in the last year he's said that he's first going to release the artifacts and then the myths and magic.

If you go to the "development" page of the main website, it will say that magic comes after artifacts. It's so fucking clear.

Like I said, no offense, but getting the same few questions over and over again is tiresome.

>>164011162
Thanks for the reply anon, I went and properly checked out the dev page.

sorry for the repeat questions D:

>>164013743
np, at least you bumped the thread.

>>163958349
started to dabble 2 years ago, started seriously a year ago.

If only this guy joined the ranks of our drawfags.

http://imgur.com/a/ARZ5r

>>164015731
Yes. Timbuk is a slut that cheats on us with other people

>>164015731
>https://i.imgur.com/7VLwriF.jpg
Pure gold

>>164015952
Yeah! Timbuk? More like Tim-SUCK hehehe

After playing RimWorld for 500+ hours I finally decided to start learning this game. It is actually not so hard as I thought once I grasped the concept of ''this is a 3D game''.
But still, I can't manage first year good enough.
Is there any kind of "checklist" or something, like must have things you should focus on during your first year? Something like Quickstart wiki page, but more focused and tldr version?
Things I kinda understand after 3 shitforts:
3x3 caravan passage, stockpile-near-workshops concept (i am still supershit with managing stockpiles, food especially - too many categories), water (i never just abandon forts, I flood them and watch little fuckers drown first), labor system.
The main problem for me is food. During autumn I always get lots of "Cant Give food: No food'' announcements. What should be my main source of food? I am planting shrooms like wiki said, but I am using it for my bewerage (again, like wiki said).
What should I do with my starting animals? They are just running around my meeting areas driving me crazy. Can I mark them for slaughtering? Should I?
Also, a question about water and booze. Are they the same? Like, do dwarves need both booze AND water? Thanks for your help.

>>164016136
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide

No idea how good that is, as I haven't used it myself. Make some farms and farm plump helmets, gather plants from outside. You can assign zones for animals to graze i > n > N. Getting some pigs is a good source of meat, as they don't require grass to survive and can be holed up underground pretty much.

>>164016136
>>164016827
water is needed mainly when a dorf is in hospital, otherwise booze is preferable.

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>>164015952
Timbuk? More like poop.

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>>164016136
Pic related is pretty concise.

>The main problem for me is food.
If you can find fish, you should be okay, but you need a fishery and a ton of barrels, because otherwise dwarves leave the fish to rot
You can also gather plants with gathering zones during summer.
If you don't have fish and can't hunt (and can't bring animals with you for some godforsaken reason), bring more phelmets and sweet pods on embark
or just hit the caverns

>What should I do with my starting animals?
[i] -> Pen/Pasture and assign them, have grass or cave moss for animals that graze (or get pigs that don't give a fuck)

>Like, do dwarves need both booze AND water?
Booze is way better than water, but sick dwarves need water and won't drink anything else until they feel better

>>164017523
>you need a fishery and a ton of barrels
To use barrels, do I need to change stockpile settings first? There is an option, something like ''Max allowed Barrels'' or something.

>>164018079
Barrels and pots are used automatically in food stockpiles.

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>>164017523
>Booze is way better than water
safer, too

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>>163958349
>years
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=1604.msg552245#msg552245

>>163969576
>>163978758
>>163984554
*comfy*

>>164019681
>pic
Is this some obscure kind of vore

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>>164020323
Gave me a SotC vibe.

Too bad I replayed that game just a month ago, or I would have done so after seeing your pic.

Still, really nice pic. I love how you combined your naturalistic "landscape style" with your more schematic and naivistic "thin line" style.

>>164016034
I like how the water gots the #s innit

>>164020323
>>164020826
Who would win in a fight, Noondoots or phone-anon??

>>164016136
dorts on water'll look like your game is running 15 frames short
boose, only boose

>>164020323
>>164015731
I use to draw porn back in high school
sometimes I wonder if I could connect my drawings of animu ladies being raped by tentacles with dwarf fortress art like these

>>164016136
>Is there any kind of "checklist" or something, like must have things you should focus on during your first year? Something like Quickstart wiki page, but more focused and tldr version?

Get farms, get still, get diningroom and well. The rest will fall into place over time

>The main problem for me is food. During autumn I always get lots of "Cant Give food: No food'' announcements. What should be my main source of food? I am planting shrooms like wiki said, but I am using it for my bewerage (again, like wiki said).
Ban kitchens from using plump helmets, plump helmet's don't give seeds when used in kitchens. Make a fishery and start with turkeys and you'll never run out of food if you build nest boxes.

>What should I do with my starting animals? They are just running around my meeting areas driving me crazy. Can I mark them for slaughtering? Should I?
Put into a pasture. i, then n, then N, then select. I usually just leave them and make sure to add all new animals to the pasture whenever a migrant wave arrives.

>Also, a question about water and booze. Are they the same? Like, do dwarves need both booze AND water? Thanks for your help.
Dwarfs slow down over time if they don't drink alcohol, to the point where making a single thing will take months. Make alcohol, and make a well with a floodgate (have fun drowning your fort once or twice), because injured dwarfs and animals can't drink alcohol.

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Which one are you?

>>164024484
pig tail is a mushroom as well? I had no idea, though I guess pretty much only mushrooms grow underground.

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>>163963143
Name ?
I'd fuck the shit out of her.

>inb4 "she" - hole is a hole.

>>163976317
I thought I was the only one that wanted more correctly show information
I'd add
>When we have more complex communication, it would be nice to show an emoji displayed that showed the current emotion the person we are talking to has
>More info on atacks, like knowing if your sword completely pierces through an enemy, how heavy ends up being the atack, a lot of stuff

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>>163934984
>quicksave
>using Dfhack
>still rages when game chashes

>>163933857
Rolling for glacier

>>164027475
>>using Dfhack

>le ebin DFhack causes crashes meme xD

Fuck off faggot.

>>164027669
the current dfhack is a very unstable alpha. it's not the same as usual.

>>164027585
Mirthful Badland +no trading + Hermit
I can do this

>>164027934
>current dfhack

Im playing 43.03 version with LNP.
I refuse to switch unless LNP will have therapist and DF hack ready.

>>164028237
this is probably one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this general.

you're saying that if, hypothetically, both dfhack and therapist were up to date with the current version, you'd still rather play an older version unless there was an LNP release for the latest version.

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r8 my fort

>>163933857
Didn't roll with 4chan but rolled with Random.org
Volcano with free-pick surroundings, no adamantine + pick one + reroll. Picked vampire fort and rolled megaproject, on the megaproject page rolled d20 ang got the "Labirynth"

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>>164028832
fort is a mess of different sized rectangles

tileset is a fucking pixel soup where you can't make out shit

>>164028832
5/10, remove tileset and it'll jump to 7/10

>>164028832
What tileset

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>>164028896
>>163933857
Here is a good scenario randomizer.

http://www.scenariogenerator.net/generators/random

Could use few more extra scenarios for DF tho.

>>164028832
Not bad although i have no idea what is what..
>tfw all those years playing with Spacefox have an adverse effect on me ...

>>164028502
Sorry, i like LNP. Sue me, i like to have everything in one place.
Maybe if vanilla DF will have magic then i will consider playing with DFHack only.

>>164028502
You're still surprised? all LNP users are retards who simply can't comprehend the sheer depth and difficulty of df and don't wanna waste their precious youth learning all the complex mechanics.

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>try to go for a fortress with a militia based on animals several times
>only fucking birds that are impossible to catch or small animals appear, even when I embark in Untamed Wilds
Godfuckingdammit
I need help

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Where should I embark? volcano? Glacier? thad big island filled with elven boipussy seems tempting too

>>164029114
>>164028973
>>164028991
tileset is bretty shitty, yeah, I just selected it because it was new in LNP and was curious about how it looked.

also

>not having your fort being different sized rectangles

what, do you make your rooms circles and shit? or go for the noob approach of making 4 large rooms for everything?

>>164029642
You didn't tell me the name of the tileset

>>164029634
boipussy

>>164029739
Meph's tileset, apparently.

>UNDEAD SIEGE
>SHUT DOWN EVER--
>It's one unit
>ONE FLYING UNIT
The flying fuck is just up a tree near the edge of the map, magically blocking all caravans. FUCK.

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>>164029642
>what, do you make your rooms circles and shit? or go for the noob approach of making 4 large rooms for everything?
No, but I try to have a more planned and even layout.

Also, in my book, your fort comes pretty close to what you described:
>the noob approach of making 4 large rooms for everything

>>164029983
>Also, in my book, your fort comes pretty close to what you described:

>literally seperate rooms for everything
>the same as 4 large rooms

what

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>>164029943
Well that was uneventful.

>>164030085
the lack of proper planning unites them

>>164030085
welp, save just got corrupted. noice.

>>164030213
>lack of proper planning
>all workshops near primary finished goods stockpile and surrounded by stockpiles or relevant material, one layer deeper are larger stockpiles for relevant material such as wood
>forges near stockpile of bars and whatnot
>all rooms in close proximity to dining room
>all military related things south of the entrance
>all rooms and civic things left
>all workshops right of entrance

literally what.

>>164029624
Seriously help, is there a way of see the animals that are in my embark or something? And no I don't means fucking biomes, I've been through three fucking untamed fortress and only shit animals

>>164030461
>all rooms and civic things left
>all workshops right of entrance
Don't tell me you fell for the ebin "noise" meme.

Also, I was referring to the poor symmetry (fuck, even your DINING ROOM is assymmetric), as well as the weird sizes of the rooms. Why are the workshops 5x5, for example? If they were 3x3, they'd be more consistent with the offices.

>>164030787
Worst case, you remove all the other animals, and give the ones you want tags to appear everywhere.

>>164030787
Go to the caverns, build walls to create bottlenecks, and place cage traps in said bottlenecks.

If you're lucky, you'll end up with a pair of jabberers sooner or later.

>>164030792
>Don't tell me you fell for the ebin "noise" meme.
I'm just autistic and prefer for things to be in dedicated area.

>
Also, I was referring to the poor symmetry (fuck, even your DINING ROOM is assymmetric), as well as the weird sizes of the rooms. Why are the workshops 5x5, for example? If they were 3x3, they'd be more consistent with the offices.

The dining room is asymmetric because I'm a retard and relied on muscle memory for counting instead of actually counting. I accidentally placed the starting table one to the right of where I meant to put it and before I realized it I had already put like 5 down. That I will admit was nooby.

The workshops are 5x5 because by putting stockpiles of material around them the dorfs have to move as little as possible to get pack to their workshop. My craftsdwarfs always have hauling disabled.

2 caravans arrived at once. How does this work?

>>164031175
Fight to the death

>>164031136
whoops misquoted. and one to the left*

>>164020826
been a lot since you posted a drawing frownanon, you ok?

>>164022325
I dunno, but Id love to see you try it here

>>164027279
second
searchers say nothing

>>164028237
This is how I thought before 43.05. Forced myself to give it a go without tools and honestly have a way better time playing now

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>>164031371
I'm stressed out over my bachelor's thesis in archaeology. It's due the 4th of january. Because of this, I haven't had the time to make OC recently.

I did make a new pic today, though:
>>164024484

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>>164031526
>better time
I would find many many words for playing DF without stuff like quicksave, Therapist and tilesets but "better" would never be among them.

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>>164031827
>LNP required to play with tilesets
>LNP required to use dfhack's quicksave feature
>LNP in any way related to therapist

>>164031948
>having to fuck around with 5 different programs instead of on easy all-in-one launcher

No u.

>>164032071
>Implying LNP doesnt just add one more program to fuck around with.

>>164032071
>unzipping a directory (which often includes init files, meaning you don't even have to edit those) in your game directory is too hard
you have to be 18 or older to post on 4chan

>>164032071
>Having to use 3rd-party program to get enjoyment out of a game
Please leave this world

>character has created a masterpiece
>willow barrel

Lol what

>>164033312
The only reason I currently have LNP installed is
>soundsense
>higher resolution

>>164033312
Those are great if you are able of put it only for meals and drinks

>>164033497
Meant to reply to
>>164033296

>>164033497
>higher resolution
???

>>164031694
Yeah, I saw it later

Best of luck m8, you have my support

G-guys

Some stuff appeared and killed my puppys and know there's a guy with "strange mood", and his icon is blinking with a white exclamation mark, and now is "working furiously" building something

I-im scared what is happening

>>164034417
W-why do you talk like this

>>164034417
everything went according to the plan, just let it happen

>>164034417
It was inevitable.

>>164034590
w-why are you autistic?

>>164034417
What's a wereshrew

>>164034417
"strange moods" mean bad news.

you should deconstruct the workshop as soon as possible to stop him. if you don't, he might go mad.

>>164034417
It's a fell mood, if he found a dwarf he would have killed him instead

Now he will make something with the dog's remains

>>164034735
vaccines, acording to some

>>164034810
fuck off

>>164034810
I tried, but he had claimed it

He made some amulet and I think he chilled now

>>164034930
dump the amulet in a hole and roof it over. it's dangerous if someone waers it.

>>164035213
This

>>164035213
>>164035307

What the fuck just happened though?

>>164035454
A strange mood, bad stuff, you should either destroy the amulet or hide it.

>>164035573
Fuck off troll.

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>>164035681

>>164035681
When your dwarves get possessed don't forget that I warned you.

>>164035780
That wasn't me though

>>164035454
Strange moods happen semi randomly, there are multiple types, they all give artifacts. Artifacts are items of the highest quality possible, and are worth extreme amounts of dwarfbux. Weapon artifacts hit far harder and more accurately, armor artifacts absorb more damage of its type, etc, etc. Amulets and shit are basically useless for anything but raising the value of the fortress and being cool.

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>>164035573
This is what appeared before stuff died

spoopy stuff

>>164033497
>soundsense
Doesn't need LNP at all.
>higher resolution
What?

>>163985692
That's a vanilla feature you mong.