/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Wow... that's a cute 1 (one) tum tummy /rlg/-chan! May I pinch it?

if your fighting, weapon, dodging, armour and stealth skill combined is less than 35 by the time you get your second rune, on any character, you're a bad player and are not allowed in this thread

>>163489993
but the max is 27?

Braindead Hill Orc Fighter who started playing 0.19 for the first time, how should I go about spending stats with the new STR and DEX mechanics? Slight lean to STR but some DEX so I don't miss shit all the time? Using long swords, by the way.

>>163490291
STR until you're a few points above the ER of the armour you want, then rest in DEX

>>163490291
unless you're a transmuter:
dex is mostly for EV (this is good on everyone)
str is mostly for overcoming armor penalties (this is good if you are wearing heavy armor and don't have enough str yet)

>>163490291

everything in Str or almost everything in Int

What's slex?

>>163491709

>>163491792
A terrible fork of nethack filled with more combos andmeant to brutally kill you with bullshit
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash'EM_Extended

>>163491856
desu I was posting about tummies in other threads, but it was the guy who was creeped out by the word "tummy" that really committed me to it. ( https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/149503067/#149624591 )

I think Usk-poster did give birth to the revolutionary "tum" technology. He is a pioneer in the field of tumtectonics.

>>163492138
Whatever, man. Whatever. I still hate that in-joke. I generally ignore it in hopes it finally going away, though.

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>>163492538
This is not a joke. It is history, anon. Culture. Tummies have been woven into the foundations of /rlg/ civilization.

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>play a vampire enchanter of dithmenos
>find a scroll shop with 3 scrolls of acquirement on D9
>die

>>163492138
Can you stop shitting up the thread for 93 other people just to spite him then?

>>163492854
I've gotten 7 ?acq in a 5 rune. You'll start caring less about acq the more you play. Play like you don't have awesome gear and you wont make retarded tab mistakes

>>163493048
sometimes /rlg/ needs to release its fault frustration

memes are a vital part of the /rlg/ ecosystem

>>163490291
Either all str if you want to play a tabber or all int if you want to play a hybrid and try casting spells at some point in the future.

>>163493253
If only we had more memes actually relevant to what we discuss.

>>163492138
that guy was (and still is) correct

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>>163493625

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>start a hill orc fighter
>d1
>level 1
>encounter a kobold with a runed dagger
>kobold hits me
>you are cast into the abyss!

Well fuck you too game.

Guys if we start mass-reporting tum-posters, mods might start removing them. It's worth a try. Do your part in ridding /rlg/ of cancer, remember to report all "Tum" shitposting.

>>163495380

You are the cancer here. Enjoy your ban

>>163495567
no u

>"Vampires are undead opponents who focus on nefarious, backhanded attacks to defeat their enemies. They are uncommonly found in the middle floors of the Dungeon"
>"They aren't very difficult, considering where you meet them"

>die to a Vampire that invisibly walked behind me and followed me upstairs
>in D:5

*sigh*. A true OOD encounter and bullshit death since he long-ranged confused me, and his "42% Confuse" spell hit me every fucking time. Wasted like 5 curing potions, 5 heal wound potions, a couple of haste potions. I've yet to die to an early Sigmund (even D:2), but this is just bullcrap.

I guess that's what I get for not believing in Based Trog and thinking TSO would be any use...

>>163495567
I'm not going to get banned, I broke no rules. It's only illegal to tell about specific reports, I'm just talking in general. And tum-posting is against the rules. Stay on topic.

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>Kill Mordred, sir gawain, and kharis
>Kharis made chaos tiles at some point
>Have to stairdance cause of berserker tard strength can't last forever
>Finally get the place cleared up
>Loot is virtually all gone from monster pickup
>Constantly get rooms of shit summoned on me
>Tiles wont come into the corridors
>Always tele away when I get adjacent
>Launchers cap at unskilled and can't use devices
>Earthquake would destroy my loot
T-Thanks.... ;_;

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>[Angry zombie berserker moaning intensifies in the distance]

Qazlal seems interesting god who can make crawl fun

How to fully maximize Qazlal?
Clouds won't spawn in a square if >3 adjacent tiles are a wall. This seems to nix kill tunnels.

>>163496109

Being a homosexual is against the rules of 4chan. Please go and stay go

Ahahaha. I'm so happy Jurt gave me a trump club

Started playing my first Draconian. Evolved into a Mottled Drac.

The sticky flame breath is pretty awesome so far. Ranged version of a decent spell that also does a small AoE. But I was wondering if I can do anything to increase its power? Does it work off my Fire Magic skill?

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>>163497358

>>163492696
It's been here for like less than a year.

>>163497415
Dragon breath attacks increase as you level

Mottled Drac has one of the best breath attacks for sure, it can do a ton of work at times.

Are there any roguelikes that can be played in a terminal and aren't ruthlessly unfair?

>>163491954
When it's not trying to be insanely edgy with 'feminine traps', the 'crossdresser' role and 'fart elementals', it's flooding the game with thousands of monsters, or letting you play as dozens of completely broken races and classes most of which probably have never been played by anyone ever? and killing you with completely arbitrary shit like invisible shopkeepers

>>163498487
Nethack 4 is genuinely not ruthlessly unfair. Start as a barbarian (poison resistance) and there's nothing particularly unfair at all (stuff like wands of cancellation destroying bags of holding and accidentally walking onto water or lava have all been patched out).

>>163498487
Forgot to mention that I know about doomrl and I love it.

>>163498867
I haven't played nethack in maybe 15 years, but back then it most certainly was ruthlessly unfair. I had actually put it in my "FUCK YOU NEVER AGAIN" pile of roguelikes. I guess I can check it out again if someone can confirm I'm not being trolled.

>>163496285
chaos tiles breed explosively, anon

you will never clean that level

>>163499083
nethack is very difficult to beat if you don't use spoilers but is one of the easiest roguelikes for someone who already knows most of the important info

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>Just have to do 1hp to shelob
You get to live

>>163499190
Again things could be different these days, but that's not a fair description of nethack as I knew it. It used to be full of ~lol so random XD~ shit. "yet another stupid death" was code for "got buttfucked by the rng again".

I used to know a lot of spoilers (even just said fuck it and read a bunch at one point) and it was still unplayably hard.

what's the deal with these anyways
is it better or worse than reforging?
should I dump it on my 8d4 scythe of slicing right now, or save it for a potential diamond edge later?
I also have a falcon sword with +1.5 blows but its dice are low enough that it seems not-amazing for non-tonberries

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>>163499406
whoops forgot image

seriously i thought the metal babble would be a lot harder
just took a needle, a single ?forestcreation, and 2-3 zaps of _healing

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That explains that. Do I dare to dream? I do about 700 dmg/round

>>163495872
did you know trog's hand gives you tons of mr? really wears out your two neurons...

>>163497358
>>163497480
using randomtele to follow uniques that are running away with teleport feels so good

>>163500043
generally dragon pits are great sources of loot and xp if you dig an anti summoning/los corridor zigzag to pull them into (and have relevant resists)

dig your tunnel and go for it, enjoy agonizing over what loot to take home and what gets left on the floor

>>163500132
>troglodites in charge of reading comprehension

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>>163500272
Happening confirmed

>>163499940
Usually it sits in my house and I never use it. Dragon gear with a bunch of resists in a slot that does have much competition (like cloak or gloves) is my main use, I guess.

But weapons seem unlikely to be amazing outside the diamond edge / mace of disruption type rare items. I mean, is a scythe of slicing even better than the blades of chaos you can get everywhere off those demons? Not sure which dice-y bits factor into brand multipliers.

>seriously i thought the metal babble would be a lot harder
Try the one in the telmora arena if you'd like to see how the babble fight goes if you can't cheese it.

Is it just me or does Robe of Night seems like a noobtrap for early game non-stabber characters?

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>>163500539

>>163500459
actually i'm not sure that the scythe IS better than a BoC. 8d4 vs 6d5, and it doesn't come with baked-in rChaos

i just don't know whether it's better to use the scroll or to reforge with one of my 75k-ish artifacts

>>163500539
crawl LOS is reciprocal. if you can't see monsters they can't see you. so reducing your sight range is a mostly positive effect unless your primary offense has 8-tile range

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tryin' to curse his own damn sword
what a fool

>>163500652

I know that but you also can't see monsters approaching 2 tiles lesser than normal. It's not like they're indifferent to noise. That means for example if you're a caster of any kind in Snake/Swamp/Spider where group mobs frequent, it'll be too late to back off when you thought there was only a couple of freexps to kill regardless of stealh than when you're not wearing it.

>>163501053
this sounds like the thing that is only an issue if you play in the SUBOPTIMAL way of actually fighting monsters where you encounter them instead of luring them backwards first

especially in snake where you can mostly just walk away from shit for free

>>163501010
nice

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>mfw using Apocalypse for the first time

Hot damn, and I thought Disaster Area was crazy.

>>163497480
>not playing with Easy id OR Easy lore on

Anon. Don't do this to yourself.

>>163501512

Disaster Area is only good because it's spammable. The superior version is Ru's.

>>163501881
>Not building your pokedex
Did something weird and accidentally overwrote my talf-titan mauler's work. how's easyid work? I don't want artifacts dropping under me, getting id'd then being lost forever cause shit gets fucked

>>163501250

I was raised to eat every single popcorn the moment I see them

How good is the ancestor stand god and the dancing god? I'm pretty clueless as to what actually makes things "good" in DCSS, I mostly enjoy things for flavor.

>>163502306
Hepatitis is a fun and effective god. Usk is a free 5 rune on invo races

If you want a really novel experience, look up the dates and find a version before hep battlemag's cast rates were nerfed. Play a VpEn/AM. Pelt disabled foes into dust with the power of bromance

>>163502146
in pseudoellipapadopoulosochengband, easy ID makes it so that items before level 25 need to be identified (not *identified*) to learn what they do, but they still have tags like "excellent" or "good" no matter what. After level 25, everything that drops is automatically ID'd as if you were carrying a Stone of Lore.

>>163502974
Yuck.

>>163496998

Get out, Pence-man.

>>163496998
this is literally false

allow me to present my argument:
1) OP is always a faggot
2) OP does not always get banned
Q.E.D.

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holy this has been my favorite run ever
>poison breath attack to confuse mobs into my danger clouds
>fighting entire levels at once
>my first DISASTER AREA

What wands are any good for a tabataur?

>>163502146
easy_id
* makes pseudo-id instant so you know if an item is 'excellent' immediately instead of having to carry it around for a bit. this also happens at xl35 with easy_id off
* makes normal sources of identify work as *identify*. so instead of "this is a sword of slaying {?}" and needing to pay 1k extra to see what it actually slays you get full info immediately
* at xl25+, auto-identifies shit for you as if you had the stone of lore. this only ids stuff in your inventory or on the square beneath you

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>>163504670

the wands that were removed

>>163505059
also dig/disint because killholes still exist

Why were the good wands removed anyway? Does that mean if every single complainant against the good wands were given (9) /tele, (9) /HW and (9) /hasting by turn 0, they would automatically ascend every single game?

>>163505368
what?

are you saying it shouldn't be allowed to remove something unless it can be abused to get 100% winrate?

>>163505435

The definition of overpowered features are like that. So I'm asking if the complainants are capable of it or else they would have zero right to complain.

>>163505676
so you are saying that a feature is overpowered IF and ONLY IF it leads to a 100% winrate
confirm/deny

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What can I expect?

>>163505945
Lot of flying weapons which you saw before the doors, maybe a blademaster or some other unique end game elf
Check wiki for halls of blades for more info

>>163505734

It doesn't have to be winrate and it certainly doesn't matter even if it isn't a roguelike. Overpowered features are meant to trivialize almost every single hostile in a game like the ones in games commonly found in New Game+ as a sort of a reward for the player for completing it. It could even be a scummable feature that could be found at the earliest stages of a game that'll trivialize 80-90% of the future hostiles found in the said RPG.

Since we're merely talking about Crawl, one of the easiest roguelikes as people call it, it should be safe to assume that getting these allegedly overpowered features at turn 0 would allow the complainants to ascend every single (100%) attempt for a 3 rune game. If they cannot prove it, then their complaints are void.

>>163506169
so you are saying that, *in crawl specifically*, anything that does not lead to a 100% winrate is not overpowered

>>163506260

Yes. You seem to have more overpowered features in mind; are these gargoyles, minotaurs or deep dwarves perhaps? You are welcome to try doing a liveplay of an unbreakable 3 digit streak in the offline client using any of these races while wizmoding the 3 removed wands anytime.

>>163504670
getting 15+ evo on a tabtaur is a good idea and the hex wands are good at that point

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I'm on D:14 with lair and orc clear. Where do I go next? I have snake and shoals

>>163506812
people have come close enough with tougher picks, isn't the leading streak around 50?

>>163506812
i dont even play crawl anon
i'm just asking about your interpretation of what "overpowered" means

if at the start of the game, it asked you to choose between an orange gem and a green gem, and each gave some minor but permanent stat buff when selected... would you consider it imbalanced if choosing the orange gem led to a 10% higher winrate?

>>163507007
different anon: i wouldn't have a problem with that, but i would have a problem with the following:
a. game is designed around orange gem, which gives a 70%+ winrate, and green gem isn't explicitly a challenge gem (it is just accidentally bad)
b. extremely OP items sometimes drop earlygame, which largely determine if you can win or not

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i guess near-max CHR and 2x rFear isn't really enough to deal with some of these level 90+ guys

having 18 blows per round to trigger that aura of fear probably doesn't help either. Maybe i need some !berserk...

>>163496619
>almost 1200 HP at lvl 29

Have zombies gone too far?

>>163507130

>b. extremely OP items sometimes drop earlygame, which largely determine if you can win or not

this doesn't, didn't and has yet to exist in Crawl

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i think somebody didn't think through the game's default alignment settings

with virtues off ents are always (?) friendly to the player

>>163507828
yeah immunity to fear is really nice when you can swing it

also rogue classed characters get a level-based reduction to fear recovery time, which is cute

>>163508863
yeah, unless you play with the option that turns off friendly monsters

>>163508863
demeter dying to her own ent summons is a classic

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About time I finally get some offense as a Mindcrafter.

>>163510682
is that the one that inflicts stun?

Do you think Mines and Glass Castle should have dungeon guardians?

>>163511193
Yes, I believe it also occasionally can do an effect familiar to Phase Door on enemies which is weird but will likely be quite handy.

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>prevents teleportation

"Special" my ass.

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>WTF is The Borshin?
>go to Google
>end up finding this neat Angband fanart website instead
>http://sikabane-works.net/monzetsu_diary/

Neat, the shitter was actually useful for once. The artist's name is Deskull on Pixiv btw

>>163511318
the elder storm giant gets rekt by confusion as long as you are tanky enough to not instadie

ethereal dragon is pretty OP for the glass castle though, especially since unlike mine there aren't trees and shit around the entrance to block LOS so it'll be breathing on you the entire time it's in LOS

>>163512431
that's one too many pum's, fucko

>>163512121
>borshin
>a borshin
>abortion

>>163513470
Really bamboozles your neural network

>>163512487
That is precisely the prescribed portion of pums.

>>163514530
Really reddits up my chan

>>163498617
The point of slex is to play random role/race combos and experience pure madness. But dying to invisible shopkeepers only happens until you GIT GUD(TM) - it's entirely avoidable by simply not walking around in shops if the expected NPC is not visible.

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>>163515528
>trial and error is gitgud

>>163512297
Well, talking more about 'boss' of the dungeon.
I am doing some test implementation with super-floating light. Breathes light, which goes through glass.

>>163515608
Sorry, but it's vanilla nethack knowledge that bumping into friendly invisibles angers them.

>>163508863
>He misses. He crushes. He misses. He crushes.
poschengband combat logs read like Death Grips or Swans lyrics.

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>>163515650
Went smoothly enough.

>>163515692
It's not vanilla nethack that those friendly invisibles are in places they really shouldn't be.

>>163515528
t. amy

>want to play roguelikes so I can talk to /rlg/
>lost almost all interest in roguelikes
>haven't played roguelikes in months
help

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>he did it for free

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>>163519720

>>163519720
Is that loss?

>>163515528

you dropped your smiley you fucking faggot

>>163520116
:D

>>163520116
Girls can't be faggots you misogynist shitlord

girl gamer! ^_^

>>163520185
Anyone can be a faggot.
Just like anyone can be a nigger, you nigger.

>>163520185

Ah yes, the good old Girls (male).

https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Transvestite

don't worry, you can play as amy in her game

>>163506169

>I demand you win 100+ games in a row or it's NOT overpowered

the autism

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>>163522592
>The Transvestite's starting pet is either a little girl or a little boy, and they start with a saddle and basic riding skill which can be used on their starting pet.

L-Lewd...

>>163522592
>Origin
>The Transvestite is based on the real-life travesty/crossdressing subculture, except not really; the opinions on this diverge...
HA

>>163511535
>He doesn't care about getting teleported into a gangbang constantly
It's like you never got the camelot knight treatment.

>>163523387
>travesty

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Yes I know, should have wished for a Great Wall of China or something.

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>>163523540
>tfw thought I was getting the hang of things until getting jerked every which way by them

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>>163522657

100 or anywhere close to it isn't even enough. If it's overpowered as what they say, then they should always win a game online as soon as they get even one of the good wands.

But of course they can't. Not a single one of them can even if they're elliptic or Implojin etc. They're completely making shit up by labeling something as too good even if they have non-existent winrate that warrants reconsidering suicide and make the game worse for everyone just to satisfy their unending desire to cut content.

>>163523829
Wait until later when you laugh at exotic resists or detection autism and you get conf/blind locked and killed or nearly 1-shot by shards and then die to either the mortal wound or the second attack after you quaff healing. Good shit.

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>>163523998
jesus how horrifying
I mean, I'm still gonna play, but that sounds awful

>>163524203
Gotta respect your weak/hole resists and step off when the training wheels are kicked off

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This seems about right.

>>163525081
>magic scrolls in a game with assault rifles
why?

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>>163525164
Because it's SLEX, the closest thing to a shitposting roguelike.

>>163525081
>load bullet into pistol
>hammer strikes the bullet
>it flies forward with a "bang"

>load same bullet into sniper rifle
>hammer strikes it really hard
>it flies forward accurately with a "BANG!"

>>163516652
aww cool

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Really?

>>163526660
Did you forget to equip your gun?

>>163526724
Yes, I forgot to equip it after shoving a dagger to break a lock from earlier my bad.

>>163526660
tfw falling down the stairs (in regular nethack) is kindof fine, right up until you get used to it but then do it while wielding a blessed greased partially eaten cockatrice corpse

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>tfw when INT is too low to figure this out

>>163526660

I have to admit, actually showing unlit walls is so nice. I fucking hate how they don't get shown in vanilla Nethack. It makes it really really hard to remember which paths you've gone down or not

>>163527557
Doctors mean the opposite but she is so fucking stupid they don't care and she does it anyways because she thinks she is smarter than them.

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>when you run out of ammo as a Gunner

Oh fuck, this is bad.

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>>163528062
JUST SLEX MY SHIT UP

>>163528219
Don't waste all the bullets - use melee for weak monsters!

>>163528336
>melee as an ALL AMERICAN GUNNER

Seems pretty heretical, but I'll take your word for it.

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Oh no, it begins!

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AMMMMMMMMMY

>>163528767
Kill him quickly - and at range, if at all possible! This is a situation where bullets are definitely the way to go.

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>Vine Stalker
>Regen Amulet
>+10CPA
>Vampiric Demon Blade
>MR+++++

First VS win was pretty cozy. Maybe I should've done some extended and put that +9 Eudemon blade to some real use?

>>163528767
>your weapon evaporates
item destruction not being very common is literally the best thing about nethack. why. why would you do this.

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>bullet misfires
>this happens

Oh fug :DD

>>163528767
>no flavor text describing how it smells just for laughs haha

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May Freedom and hamburgers live on ;_;7

>>163530062
rip
but it was entertaining to follow

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>>163528767
I honestly believe that Amy is a girl and not a tranny.

"""Humor""" this bad can only result from not having male organs, such as testicles, brain, and penis, at any point in life.

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>>163525164
I have fondness of 'modern fantasy'.
Kinda wanted to do a roguelike with firearms and magic at some point, didn't really go anywhere.

>>163530585
Probably because instead of forking an existing one and pouring your AIDS into it you decided to make one from scratch and got buried under all the problems associated with starting a project from scratch.

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I hope everybody is ready to check their Roguelike privilege!

>>163530907
It's not even so bad it's good.
It's just bad
Really bad
Like a joke by that one kid who always said it like
>I know it's stupid but
>*joke*
>yeah I know it sucks

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So problematic!

>>163531196

It's so bad it's bad. Fuck, it really is just so bad.

I don't like to use the word 'cringe' but a lot of the shit in SLEX makes me cringe.

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>permanent stun

This choice of race was a mistake.

>>163516652
that shit's ridiculously OP for dlvl60

>>163530268
the humor is from being a German

>>163534951
I know germans eat shit, but I thought they do it only literally, not also metaphorically.

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QAAZLUL is love QAZLUV is life

free deflect missles and SH bonus opens up options for everybody QAZLAL

just hide in a 1 tile hallway if you don't want to make noise QAZLAL

stand perpendicular to a diagonal hallway as it opens into a room and it'll still LoS kill hallway pull while dropping clouds of fuckitup on mobs QAZLAL

want to pillar dance out in the open with clouds and pits of magma? well now you can QAZLAL

level invocations high and nuke shit, upheaval smite target is insane and ALL THE NOISE AGGRO THE LEVEL ITS DISASTER AREA
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOOO!

>eat clouds and fart upheavals kid

>>163536045
> fart upheavals
sexily?!

>>163536045
>having to level up invocations to make your badgod even moderately useful
Pass.

Lignification is under-fucking-rated for early Dungeon, wow.

>>163536312
sorry but if u dont have a 100% winrate on chars who find !lig then it actually isnt any good

>>163533709
Polymorph trap result?

>>163536312
Lignification is not underrated for early dungeon at all
with the way poison resist works now lig is totally a bee/poison pile clearing tool that you don't freak out about conserving

it's really well done

here are some other ideas for engaging early game improvements
>temple diving should be a requirement
>all potions, scrolls, and equipment should have means of being carefully identified in a step-by-step safety oriented manner instead of just being mass IDed/identified after a level is cleared
>more OOD monsters, hydras on D:3 or go gnome
>food scarcity for the melee tabbers and work from there

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"Democracy" HAHAHA. Donald Trump ain't gonna bow to such a lowly deity - his god is Despotism, of course!

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So this is what the artifact was after hunting it down for the past 10 minutes.

>>163538236
sadly the only standart sling is The Sling of Buckland (not to be confused with the ego of the same name, see also Feanor art vs ego)

>>163538369
>tfw The Sling Of Buckland is worse for shooting than an ego sling of buckland because it doesn't get +Xs

>>163538615
all the standart shooters are worse than the better high ego shooters

it's tragic

The only exception is arguably The Yumi, which doesn't matter on 99% of characters. It's only an x0 multiplier, but it's a great statstick with hidden hardcoded huge bonuses to energy use for firing

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>>163538236

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>>163536630
lig is also good if you run into an early tormentor

>that feel when tabbing Rupert to death on Lair 4 with your DeIE
that twin quick blade artifact with a little bit of slaying bonus on top is no joke

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Holy shit what were they thinking with mana hounds? Thankfully I became a Tindalos at 47, but look at this comparison between mana and aether hounds. That's fucked up.

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>>163539936

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Acquirement pays off, for once.

>>163540636
I mean mana hounds get mana breath instead of random breath, but
>breath attacks

>>163489645
Is there a roguelike with action combat and preferably not isometric?

>>163543502
what do you mean by action combat? Like, not turn based? Maybe TomeNet, it's like realtime multiplayer diablo ii the roguelike. Try reading the OP's linked summaries of what different RLs are like. And I'm guessing that you may be thinking of as a roguelike isn't what we think of as roguelikes, since very few roguelikes are isometric.

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>>163540809
>pays off
>not ring of power
i never even finished that save, pcb got boring

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>>163540809
Almost enough to kill smaug by itself.

Hopefully he drops sorcery 3, since it's one of the more useful third books I'm missing.

>>163543924
Or not, sorcery 3 has nothing besides stair creation and I guess sense minds saves two mp per cast compared to trump spying.

>>163530907
What is this? Is the Tumblr shit done as a joke or something?

>>163544632
sorc 3 is pretty good man. Do you already have access to teleport level and word of recall elsewhere?

also dimension door once you level more, though I guess that's still a fair ways off and by then you'll probably find another

>>163545147
I'm a gray mage, so I only have ten spells at a time. I just use rod of recall and teleport level scrolls to save on spells, and can get dimension door earlier from trump 2.

For a normal mage, I can see how it's good.

>>163545392
ah okay, that makes sense. I hope you find Sorc 4 someday. I seriously believe that Create Doors is in the running for the most powerful spell in the game. As soon as you take a stair or recall into a dungeon, it lets you create doors to block all LOS so you can safely detect and decide what to do. Plus it's useful in combats as a LOS blocker. And it's useful for active exploring as a blocker for a hallway so you can see if a monster is coming by its opening the door even if way out of telepathy range.

fucking love create doors. So much power and utility in this innocent-and-useless-looking spell. It's like a more powerful, consistent, and versatile Summon Butterflies.

hmm I wonder if a munchkin half-titan berserker with +liferating items, good intrinsic life, and max constitution could survive the 5000 damage from quaffing !Death.

>>163524203
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS IMAGE FOR SO LONG

Do you have the full page?

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>>163546675
wait, nevermind, google RIS found it

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>>163546675
I had that feeling with pic related recently

Is it me or is vitality currently the best stat to pump in Demon ever since the little fix? My latest win was a dark/ice orb and I favored vitality mainly over magic; the character wasn't too squishy because of the high HP.

>tfw explore mode master race

enjoy your stupid deaths you faglords

i'll be playing crawl the way its MEANT to be played

>>163547509
you must mean not at all

>>163547509
what does explore mode even do

>>163547509
>>163548336
I kept reading this as EXPLODE MODE desu

>>163548484
Like he said, how crawl was meant to be played

>>163548336
pretty sure he just means autoexplore aka the thing every single crawl player uses.

>>163548619
hit + on your numpad nerd

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Just updated C:DDA
Is there a way to get the old inventory back?
Really don't like that small window.

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>hill orc fighter of makhleb
>lair level 8
>in a vault full of trees
>a fire drake, a 9 headed hydra, and a 4 headed hydra appear!
>ohshit
>back up to the entrance of the forest
>summon a balrog
>balrog casts fire bolt
>the tree lights up like a torch!
>the tree lights up like a torch!
>the tree lights up like a torch!
>the forest fire spreads!

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Didn't even know that was possible.

>>163549418
>undocumented features

someone tell campbell to remove it

>>163549418
What the fuck lol, that shit is old as fuck

>>163548336
explore mode is the ezmode babby option that makes you invincible/lets you choose not to die

>>163550896
what's the difference between that and wizard mode then lmao
you can't spawn items?

>>163551005
Explore mode is the regular game with death turned off. Wizmode is spawning items and all that cool stuff.

Does elliptic post in /rlg/?

>>163551005
Wizmode at least has legitimate debugging uses. Explore mode means you are as casual as they get.

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Is there anything like a roguelike but ambiented on a zombie apocalypse?
If it's ASCII-based it would be dank

(I can't run Project Zomboid btw)

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>>163551881
read the OP you 2 int baitposter

What changes would you make to Crawl to make it better/ more interesting/ more enjoyable/more strategic 4u?

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>run away from D6 hornet
>See this right after

why must you torment me like this game

>>163552271

murder all the devs, and burn the codebase from 0.15 onwards.

>>163552354
>hating on free xp

>>163552271
Have more fun playstyles like transmuter, and more fun gods(This is likely to happen once to the god being tested, Ieoh Jian, comes into trunk. Hopefully he doesn't get removed immediately.)

Make it less of a tab fest after clearing lair,orc dungeon. Literally the only floor when you have to use the slighest amount of brainpower after earlygame is Vaults:5 and maybe Zot:5.

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Random messages are fun!

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>>163552354
>hits me for max damage lightning bolt twice while I try to run away
I don't know if my 2 int brain can handle this

>>163552576
>Ieoh Jian
I read about them. Is their mechanic like having a Tukima's Dance around you, and you can steal the weapons summoned in that way?

>slightest amount of brainpower
easy for you to say. I'm such a fucking scrub, I've been playing since at least .07 and haven't won once.

>>163552436
What is so special about. 15?

>>163553009
>I read about them. Is their mechanic like having a Tukima's Dance around you, and you can steal the weapons summoned in that way?
Yeah, and the weapon quality increases with invo and the quality of your current weapon. There's also weapon specific effects when you move around in combat and cross-training is improved to 80% for each weapon. It sounds super fun

>easy for you to say. I'm such a fucking scrub, I've been playing since at least .07 and haven't won once.
I've only got 5 wins, I'm not amazing. I've gotten in the span of 1-2 months though after picking up crawl after a LONG time and trying earnestly to win.

Try following the advice from this tavern thread
>https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22309
It is pretty good and led me to my first win.

>>163553259
Thank you for the link

>>163549418

That's why the Enchanted Forest branch never made it out of trunk. It's difficulty depended entirely on whether or not you could burn the place to the ground.

>>163489645
>http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
Hey boys? I'm looking for new RLs so I figured I'd try the infra arcana link in that pastebin.
Brings me to a page:
>Subscription Expired
>This wiki's subscription has expired. The wiki will be reactivated once one of the wiki organizers renews the wiki's subscription. For more information, please visit this blog post.

dead link.
Googling a bit got me this link https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/downloads
Trying it out /notsureiflegit/

>>163554305
if it's not a virus make sure to report back so I can play it too

>>163551881
cataclysmDDA is a zombo game and is pretty close to being a roguelike

>>163553174
.15 is the version that anon first imprinted on and now has autismal turbonostalgia for

>>163555445
But it seems that everyone and their dog are clamouring for a return for the days of .15. Is it just that anon, or is there something special and good about it?

>+9 Demon Blade "Duleam" {Drain, -Tele, rF+, rC+ Str+6}

>You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon

RNG havin a giggle?

>>163555545
Not him but I played back in 0.15 and it didn't feel too special.

A lot of things did get removed though like cTele,big 3 wands,haste spell in the ensuing version, and new gods also got added(I can't remember if 0.15 was Dithmenos,Ru and Qazlal got added, or if that was 0.16.

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>one item that fills all your holes
I was actually about to learn curing, because every other detection here sends you hallucinating without rChaos.

Hopefully I'm out of one-shot range now, though shards might still do enough to hit through 30% resist? I don't remember.

>>163554742
Playing it right now, it's pretty cool.
Not a virus as far as I can tell.

strategy for golden draconian conjurer?

>>163556995
Worship Vehumet, blast shit with battlesphere + magic dart, memorise iron shot, orb of destruction,fireball, then win the game.

>>163554305
>>163554742
>>163556904
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/
This is actually the official website now

>>163555152
Yeah I found out about that one, but it seems like it has robots and other stuff that aren't really the zombie apocalypse experience

>>163557306
>I want the shit that the magically reanimated body takes in my character's face to smell hyper-realistic!

>>163557467
Who said anything about being realistic? I just don't want robots or any of the weird bullshit

>>163556740
shards caps at 600 so you're 1hp above cyberdemon 1shot range

also 550 damage manastorms exist (watch out for black reavers from summon greater undead)
as well as 500 damage disenchant breath from e.g. chaos wyrms which is nasty if you don't resist

>>163556067
Playing 0.15.42 offline console. It has Dith and Qazlal, but not Ru.

>>163557306
It has an option to play just with zombies and animals

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>>163557306
>>163557772
You can turn off a lot of the shit, but I don't think you can remove the robots completely at least i cant see it in recent experimental, not unless there's a mod for it on the forums.

>>163559462
There's an option in the options menu (not world creation) that will only spawn wildlife and standard zombies. Plus you can make super slow and tough like in project zomboid

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>it's a no item run

I just had my sixth crawl run in a row where I only find scrolls and potions. No rings, no enchanted weapons, no armor pieces, etc. is there a game that doesn't suffer from this?

>>163559949
MONK OF NATURE

or just play a trbe i guess

>>163555857
probably worth it desu

>>163559242
>>163559462
>>163559786

Great! Thank you guys, I didn't really like Rogue Survivor

>>163559949
How far did you get to? Most of my run pre-lair are like this and I'm fine. If you want good gear from the start pick fighter, it has armour,a good weapon,a shield and a potion of might as it's starting equipment.

>>163560232
weapons or jewelry with -tele aren't that bad in crawl since teleporting takes a while anyways and taking them off only costs half a turn.

armors with -tele are suicide though

>>163560454
for some reason i read that as *Drain -Tele, even though weapons can't have *Drain (I think), and it would still be worth it

draining *brand* is obviously worth it

>>163536045
Daily reminder qazlulz shits all over tomb letting you do it as your third rune.

>>163538732
All the hidden shit in pcb is really obnoxious.

>>163548924
by going onto github and reverting it?

>>163559949
n-nico-chan...?

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>>163559949
>Find multiple good items in a row
>run into nonstop OOD monsters
>Don't find anything
>Run into nothing but freexp
Karma is real

>>163559949
finding enchanted weapons and rings with no scrolls is worse

>>163559949
>Just play monk/TM's or conjurors
>Don't need anything
>Win
*shrugs*

>>163560757
OoD monsters are freexp, anon. You're getting your memes mixed up.

>>163560918
Weapon-using tabbers are far easier to win, and have much higher survivability than monks/transmuters/conjurers in the early floors and Trog/Okawaru eventually gift you something broken like a +9 vampiric battleaxe or something.

>>163561267
monks are weapon-users

>>163561267
There's little difference if you aren't a tablord eating shit on a badly OOD

>>163559949
if you died and didn't pick trog turn one, it's your fault(TM)

>>163561359
They have worse weapons than the Fi and Gl backgrounds and if you're not unarmed, then you also have the same reliance on weapons as other classes.

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I love getting a dagger of venom,early. Literally a free win against any normal-speed melee enemy.

>>163561751
inb4 you get abyssed by a kobold with distortion

>>163561246
What if they know magic? OoD wizards don't feel very free.

>>163561840
ab, aa and hold dat tab button

>>163561804
>Crawl is so fucking casual it tells you they have distortion when they come in view
>Furthermore, you can edit your rc file to force more messages so you can't just tab by it showing up

>>163561840
The joke is that they are not actually free xp.

>>163562012
Would someone really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>163562257
Yes, I have a degree in memes from Trump University and I am certified to inform you that people can lie on the internet.

>>163561267

>Trog/Okawaru

Nah, you're just bad.

Transmuters are always superior to every weapon user because they will always outdamage every single one of you by D:7 or D:6. Weapon users need items while Transmuters don't, simple as that. Conjurers are of the same kind but they kinda need spells depending on background which are often remedied by Vehumet/Sif. Other than that, they also don't need items, armors etc. of any kind unlike your usual otabber. Surely you have seen Elves already spamming Shatter by Lair:6.

>>163562906
>don't need items, armors etc.
You're right in not needing weapons because of blade hands, but you're full of shit on not needing armor. Ice form is shit on general and statue form a) isn't guaranteed, which goes against your advice of transmuters not needing items and b) takes a shitload of investment to even get castable. Same with dragon form.

>>163563429
Same evasion as you'd get with a high elf or whatever but it's even stronger in spider form. Once blade hands kicks in you buzzsaw through shit.

>>163563429
Wait, I didn't read that correctly, sorry

However, in order to cast Shatter on Lair:6 you need to be a deep elf and find Shatter on the first place, so some of the same criticism applies. Not to mention melee characters don't wake up the entire level when fighting something dangerous

>>163563429

D:6 or D:7 is not a shitload of investment. Bladehands is the only thing you need to mow through Lair, Vaults, Depths, Abyss, Zot, Tomb, Pan and Hell. And it's found on the starting book. Every consecutive loot a transmuter will find will only make progression more convenient but they don't need it. The same is true for Conjurers.

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I've spent about an hour and a half running back and forth between d:4-6 bevause I'm too stupid to make ice beasts and too scared to try to kill anything stronger than a single orc by its lonesome. Guys, I need help because I'm starting to lose my fucking mind

>>163562906
>can't wear heavy armor
>armor melding
>pissing away exp on spell schools
>absolutely fucked stats

Transmuters are a universally agreed-upon noob trap. Tablords think "oh wow blade hands does a lot of damage!" and proceed to get perforated by anything from yaks to hydras to hill giants because tabbing is all they know.

>>163563682
Okay, I misread your post but you are seemingly reading mine even worse. I was talking about statue/dragon form because I thought you were saying Transmuters didn't need armor.

>>163562906
>>163563563

Nigga, I've easily won transmuters. They still function EXACTLY like o-tabbers once you get statue form. The thing is they actually need to find the book of transfigurations/earth, so they're still as dependent on the floorgod.

The only decent thing in the transmuter spellbook is blade hands anyway.

>>163563906
>Need statue form
>Sticks to snakes and spider form are shit
Nignaga what? Get out of here

>>163564040
They literally are, look at this morgue http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Vajrapani/morgue-Vajrapani-20161218-135448.txt

I was a Draconian monk, and I found the book of changes but I didn't memorise a single spell and the only thing I used throught was statue form.

>>163563891
>>163563906

>statueform this statueform that

Seems like you're just admitting that you're so bad that you can't play transmuters without statueform. It's just a symptom of baddie syndrome. You won't say the same thing once you can one hit hell sentinels with bladehands, assuming you can even get there in the first place because you can only play 3 runes.

>>163564243
The optimal play is using statue form and nothing that transmutations offer is ever going to be that good. Even dragon form's insane damage output or blade hands can't compare.


Also, extended is fucking tiresome so I'd rather not bother.

>>163561979
and yet despite this capability people get melee kobold abyssed every day

>>163564243
Didn't they teach you to read in kindergarten? Holy shit.

>>163564483
the majority of crawlplayers are retards who forvet that they even have feet to evoke

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outplayed

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nigga wtf

>>163564727
Probably one of the stairs entry vaults nearby

I know all the memes of "remove food", but is there *actually* any reason for Drain to exist?

>>163564995
It's simply there to make your character weaker until you do some fighting and winning, I figure.

>>163564995
unlike hunger it actually does something

>>163564542

>waahhh I can't play without statue/dragonform waaaahh

>>163565281
Btw me and him aren't the same guy. I'm >>163563906 but not >>163563891

Purple draconian in the first time since forever

super hyped

I fucking hate getting black 50% of the time.

>>163564995
I don't get why they changed that, corrosion, etc
it's all kind of stupid now

How decent is an unarmed guy without transmutations? Like, unarmed but with necro support?

>>163565850
well, no-magic basically-no-item mumo conduct characters have ascended with 5 runes before so it's definitely doable with a non-shit race too

>>163547458
It's a good stat, but i do prefer full magic, or full strength in builds that can afford it.

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uh... thanks?

>>163566251
Okay, I was thinking of doing a DrMo of Kiku and I've been doing weapon-wielding runs that get nowhere so I might try another unarmed draconian, because I can do lair,orc,dungeon easily with just punching.

The main problem seems to be that UC requires a ton more exp than other skills, but then again necro isn't too exp-intensive either.

>>163564995
Temporary skill loss is both an incentive to get your fucking rN+ on and respect drain weapon users as well as creates some interesting situations if you skill poorly

>>163566251
A 0.5 aut eveningstar basically. You can fist your way around but you'll greatly benefit from song of slaying/slaying/berserk/might for taking big things down fast.

>>163566604
better acquire more stones

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Is CDDA worth getting into? What did you guys think of this game?

did you prefer rogue survivor?

>>163565850
i mean it's worse than using a weapon unless you're a troll

unarmed can beat out weapons lategame at very high xp investment, but you won't reach that any time soon if you're also training for spells

>>163567603
It's not a roguelike and it's a pretty rough game with an abhorrent dev team. The tedious "realism" fags won turning it into a real shit show every additional week.

>>163547458
Dead enemies can't hurt you, so max STR or Magic is also pretty good. Magic gives you good heals and lets you kill things before they touch you, STR also gives damage resistance.

Vitality is nice because it's always active even when you're doing other shit and works regardless of character build

Cunning is bad mostly because debuffs are bad for a long time, but lategame it can be fucking terrifying, and of course, dirty needle builds

Agility is shiiiiiit, basically invalidated by the existence of Distract and ALert

>>163567814
So there's no good zombie-roguelike somewhere?

>>163568189
No and I don't think you're looking for the right thing. This is rogue. https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983 I'm pretty sure whatever you want is vastly different from what it is. I keep hearing about that 7 days to die game that game out, so try on /v/ asking for help to find a game with zombies and the gameplay features you're looking for.

>>163568358
Hmm, you may be right, what I'm actually thinking off it's a sort of survival game, but which gameplay it's similar to something like Brogue, I'm gonna ask around, thanks for the info

>>163568358

7 days to die is so bad even if you don't prefer roguelikes. I'd rather play Terraria

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>Come down the stairs
>beat up some warlocks
>Oh hey a another ancient fire drag...
>Well let's just up those resi..
>Okay we only lost like 700 hp in two turns we can quaff healing, throw on the trump club an...
>Uh...
>Potion of healing is missing
Well I think this zombie berserker's journey is at an end only 9 hours in.

>Dwarf Fortress
>le noob
>make some shitty fortress underground
>make some rooms to put shit
>establish a Farm Plot and a still, and set the place for Wood and food to be stocked
>all of my dwarves are getting stuff to the stockpile
>none of them are building
>the rooms aren't even finished because the miners are carrying shit around even when I toggled off the Hauling thing
>shit pc so these guys are moving painfully slow

I think I can't make it /vg/

>>163569119
could try to earthquake?

>>163569119
i'm not sure why you would even descend to level 40 if you aren't prepared for Smaug

just hang out on 39

sucks about the potion though
i feel like i lose more potions of healing to shit like impact hounds and giants throwing rocks than I actually quaff

>>163569329
Go to the dwarf fortress general, read the wiki on maximizing framerate and using population caps, then read the tutorials and walkthroughs on the wiki.

>>163569404
Didn't expect him one room from the stairs.

>>163569559
but why even visit the level

you KNOW there's a 750-breath-damage golden asshole hanging out, and the lot is only 1 level better than lonely:39 which is completely Smaug-free

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>>163569386
Managed to get away with speed and curing quaffs. Thankfully the DElf warlock didn't noscope me with a mana bolt and Smaug kept trying to confuse or cause wound me so I got upstairs, healed and fixed my shit. Still no idea how some random armor got on my chest. no wonder I got fucked up.

>>163569739
I loose all sense of proportion in pcb's atrocious midgame cause everything is backtracking 20+ floors of absolute trash so I can kick over some fag for a stat point

Let me tell you a story about a roguelike player not entirely unlike yourselves. Once upon a time, anon jammed poschengband a lot for a while and was frustrated with how many high tier consumables he lost to inventory destruction. "Woe is me," he thought, "for the shit that I need to carry around to keep myself safe is itself endangered. This is no fair."

Then one day, that anon played Halls of Mist. And he never complained about PosChengband's extremely generous and friendly barely-noticeable inventory destruction again.

>>163569985
>Playing halls of mist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo ;_;7

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I was looking for Nethack's port to Android and found this on the reviews

I just needed to share it