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Hoping to find out what broke during maintenance edition

>READ THE FAQ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v_nlKX3uS7cBXlWI45HSZJHqNQ6hyeqSOg-W9wAP9T0/edit

>ToS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.

>iCBT2 Details
- Server: Gabija
- FAQ for CBT2: https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/faqs-on-the-2nd-cbt/62971/
- EXP Rates, Drop Rates, and Client Version will all be based on the kCBT3 Client.
- Check your ping with the servers: http://cloudharmony.com/speedtest-latency-for-aws:ec2-us-east-1

>What is Tree of Savior?
Tree of Savior is a new action MMORPG with a lot of classes and cute hats. IMC Games have shown an interest in an international release, and has begun testing the game in various other languages, including English and Japanese, even whilst the Korean version is still in testing. The game is currently in the beta phase, and not fully released.

>What's changed since iCBT1?
Changes to Class Advancement and Skills: http://pastebin.com/gTbzuuV5

>iCBT2 Sign-Up (Closed): https://treeofsavior.com/
- If you were able to access iCBT1, you will automatically have access to iCBT2.
- All keys should have been distributed by now.
- If you did not get a key, fansites may be giving out extra keys.

>Current Beta Tests
kCBT3 (Extended) - On-going, no end date announced.
iCBT2 - October 27, 2015, 03:00 AM (EDT) ~ Wednesday, December 9th, 23:00 PM (EST).

>Official Translation Project - https://github.com/Treeofsavior/EnglishTranslation
Tree of Savior is somewhat unique in that the games translation is heavily supplemented by fan contributions provided at IMC's offical Github. Is this genius or laziness? It's both!

>Field Boss/F.O.E Timers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xFW1ARQn3kmTiJqpojCmoXiHcJsBK0J85IXiToHicuc/edit#gid=0
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The Templeshooter from the quest in the tomb can also drop his card, rite?
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>>124046257
I have yet to see a templeshooter or canceril or cerberus anywhere but as a world boss.
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>>124046257
the quest tomb doesnt drop a temple shooter

>>124046330
I think Cerberus card can drop from the 190 dungeon since someone in my party got one or maybe they tricked me
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Anyone else regret taking weapon swap?

I almost never use it.
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>>124046409
I use it, no regrets. I'll give you the 100 silver that you're regretting if you like
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>>124046508
what about the minute it takes to train it? how are you going to give me one minute of my life back fgt?
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Up to what level do I get in the 130 dungeon? Also, anybody want to do a full run?
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I have a pelta > barb at lvl 50 on Gabija, if anyone wants to run the 50 dungeon?
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Best skill per Class: Wizard edition.

>Wizard
Quickcast.

>Pyromancer
Flame Ground.

>Cryomancer
Frost Pillar.

>Psychokino
Psychic Pressure.

>Linker
Joint Penalty.

>Elementalist
Frost Cloud.

>Thaumaturge
Swell Left Army.

>Sorcerer
Summon Temple Shooter.

>Chronomancer
Haste.

>Alchemist
Item Awakening.

>Necromancer
Create Shoggoth.


Deal with it.
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>>124046508
It just bothers me that the icon is there. It gets in the way sometimes. When they gonna let us rotate the camera? I mean why would they lock the camera AND make walls on all sides. At least if the camera were going to be locked, they could make lazy areas and save some memory.
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>>124046409
>>124046508
You can widen the chatbox through the xml but with the weapon swap box in the way, it becomes unsightly.
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Reminder that Quarrel is love
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Classes that /tosg/ thinks they're good but they're actually memes

1. Druid
2. Corsair
3. Sapper
4. Elementalist
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>>124047116
What are the classes /tosg/ thinks are bad, but are actually pretty decent or good?
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Cata's can Guard while moving?
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>>124047194
hunter
bokor
rodelero
quarrel shooter
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>>124047116
nobody actually thinks druid is good but it's the only path for int clerics
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>>124047116
Corsair is bad?
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>>124047116
Rogue
Archer3
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>>124046703

>wizard
>not EQ

since when does quickcast do 10k dmg?
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>>124046640
everyday til 150
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>>124047807
>Rogue

dumass
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Reminder to not fall for these memes:

>full dex builds
>str/int is the worst stat in the game
>memelander
>sword2/3
>quarrel shooter
>wizard2/3
>cataphract
>archers and mages don't become any better late game
>full spr mages
>full con swordies
>save ALL your cards until 165
>muh 500 level cap
>full spr archer
>swordsman class is op
>elem needs wiz3
>archer3
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>>124047678
More cleric or krivis circles instead of druid
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>>124047084
I am going to bully you and there is nothing your Privis or your Stones can do to stop me
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did anyone manage to train the Bokor's Large zombie attribute and see how much better are the large zombies?
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>>124047084
>max caltrops
>stone picking level 4
???
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Klaipeda is letting "refugees" in too?
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>>124048505
He's seen some shit
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>>124048505

klaipeda is lithuania and lithuania is europe, so...

also, tell me the trick to get better upgrades. i've people using fireballs, multishot and other skills to hit the anvil and before the beta was that word of "gear upgrade will takes skill".
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Shaton Reservoir to get to demon dicks 2: electric grindalu right?
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Hey QS is actually pretty solid
How long till it falls off?
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>>124048179
I never know what you mean by
>muh 500 level cap
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>>124048726
Yep, DP is at the top
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>>124048317
>Other classes begging thaums for swell arm buffs.gif
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>>124049031
ohwait thats the DP map, but the two big maps on the left and the map on the bottom right, run back and forth between them for maximum efficiency
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>mfw playing through an alt and realising that hauberk was ALSO trapped in the mage tower this whole fucking time being used as a barrier
>you set him free only to use him as another barrier for the prison
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>>124049279
Haubrek did nothing wrong
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>>124046760
You can probably remove the icon with some not-really-advanced-hotkey-fuckery.
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>>124049279
He wasn't trapped in anything, his whole soul was spread over the entire planet. Just part of him was used to make the mage tower.

Also what was the mage tower even trying to acheive except being the most evil place on the planet? Founded with demon magic, powered by a demon's broken soul, and apparently the creator made a deal with that demon that kept invading the tower and got killed for it.
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>>124048435
you need to play quarrel shooter to actually understand
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>>124049785
so caltrops are good? they look shit
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>>124048836

There are idiots that try justifying bad builds by saying that the level cap will be 500 when the game releases and assuming stuff they don't know (what rank 7 classes and skill actually do, etc). When in reality we are only gonna get something like level 300~350 and rank 7~8, with more updates coming out as the game gets older.
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>>124047807
the archer 3 is debatable though you get your best skill at circle2 does a couple more hits with multi shot worth it?
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>>124049848
every other skill is too awful to level
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>>124050063
>bokor
I hate bokors and their fucking zombies.
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>>124046760
>>124049584
<HotKey ID="HideSwap" Name="Hide Swap" DownScp='ui.GetFrame("weaponswap"):ShowWindow(0)' UpScp="None" Key="F1" UseShift="YES" UseAlt="NO" UseCtrl="NO" OnEdit="YES" />
Potentially the worst possible way to do it, but hey, this does hide the swap frame.
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>>124049678

Wasn't Gabija trapped in the tower until you release her?
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>>124050431
Trapped? hardly, she was just chilling lazily at the top masturbating until you summoned her.
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>>124049678
>Also what was the mage tower even trying to acheive except being the most evil place on the planet?
Come on, it wasn't that bad. It had an invading demon lord who took up control of the tower, some poor sap challenged the tower and got killed by the demon lord, a fragment of Hauberk's soul ended up imprisoned in a lamp and the place is filled with Chromadogs. But really, it could be so much worse
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>>124048802
It falls off to a cliff really fast
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How do I get to the other side of the Main Chamber?
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>>124050431
Good question. I don't know. At some point,Gabija was called to the tower, and at some point around then or just before, the tower's ageless mage creator was killed by that demo and Gabija took over the tower.

She was willfully leading it, and some book you can read in the piles of books lying about stated the barriers and seals and stuff in the tower weren't actually trapping Gabija there, so it was unclear what they were for.

I think the demon's barriers at the end were sealing her in there, but for the most part >>124050489
She was managing the tower and trying to stop it from being invaded by demons for whatever the fuck reason. I guess she was using it as a hideout to protect the revelation she was guarding.

>some poor sap challenged the tower and got killed by the demon lord
He was killed by the mage who built it, and she left a message about it to warn other people. I really, really don't understand what she and that "traitor" swordsman were trying to acheive. Maybe they learned the truth about the demons and gods' relationships.

>>124050925
You'll get there by going outside and around and following the quests if you mean the grand corridor. If you mean the actual main chamber, just follow the big crack around its left side.
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>>124051108
Oh yeah, that. Thanks, I thought I missed some three quests or something
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Reminder to pick and choose which tents you enter.
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>>124050231
>>124050063
>>124050063
pls am only poor c1 bokor with 15k to my name
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>>124051659
Yeah, you're a special one
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>>124046703
Ill do Cleric then.

>Cleric
Heal

>priest
Sacrement

>krivis
Zaibus

>dievderby
Laima Statue

>Paladin
Smite

>bokor
bwa kyamin

>sadhu
Possession

>monk
Double punch

>Pardoner
Oblation

>Druid
Transform

>Oracle
Change
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>join party
>there's only one boy in it
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>>124052152
>>Druid
>Transform
It's Carnivory. Transform is shit.
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The archer tree is probably the most unbalanced broken class balance atm so I won't be surprised if we suddenly get a nerf.
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How do you inspect someone offline again?
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>>124051108
Oh yeah, now I remember you also had to get some power gem made to power her up a bit too. So basically Grita called you to go bring Gabija a magical sandwich because she was tired of fighting demons all day.

Also I meant to quote >>124050590 on the 4th part back there.
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>>124046408
Can get both of the boss cards in 190 dungeon from the box
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>>124051108
The mage pretty much became a demon through the dubious contract. That's who Archmage Fire Lord is
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>>124052686
Does it say that somewhere? They story sort of makes it sound like she just got burnt up. Even Gabija is kinda like "she got betrayed" instead of "she was turned into a demon." I mean why would she leave the tower if all she did was got turned into a demon anyway? But I guess some kind of curse was involved.
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>>124051709
Kill yourself.
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Being carried is faster than mount speed. When I did it back when my bird still had STA, I was as fast as a Cataphract with Trot.
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This isn't so bad
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>>Pardoner
>Oblation
No.
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>Be Bokor
>Get in party with Sadhu
>Put Zombify Circle wherever he stands so anyone who starts to attack him changes me to their priority (aggro is weird in this game) and anyone who dies before they leave the circle comes back & acts as a meatshield for Sadhu until my next 10 seconds are up
>For some reason, he gets pissy about this

Fucking why.
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>>124052458
anon, that's rape
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>>124053052
>I mean why would she leave the tower
You remember where Archmage Tower is, right?
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I really liked the effect in the cathedral where you had to charge that one crystal that made the fancy circle. Whenever the enemies would hit it, the circle would start to deform and sometimes go out. That was pretty cool.

I also liked the mission where you had to steal the Pawnd's clothes.
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Why the fuck aren't there more clubs with the pierce attribute?
Switching to a bat-full-o-nails is fun for putting leather enemies in their place, but the lack of attack power with what I've got is catching up with me. There should definitely be more of these weapons.

Also, the cleric attribute lies. Stun still applies even though it isn't [Blunt].
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>>124053152

That is pretty cool. How long does it last?
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>>124053604
Next to an inaccessible map and a junky town?

I could understand if they were attacking the cathedral now, so that's where they'd spawn, but you'd think they'd stick around and help (what was that demon's name?) attack the tower over and over all those times they supposedly did.
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>>124053778
>the lack of attack power with what I've got is catching up with me
Upgrade the weapon more
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>>124053609
>Priest tells me to kill Pawnds and get their mini skirts
>Mini skirts
>What the fuck is with this guy? Is he into monsters or some shit?
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>just made a memelander alt to try the class out
>get kektar stroke level 5
>use it
>it is garbage

What the fuck were people complaining about all this time? This skill is fucking garbage.
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Anyone doing Swordsman?

>Swordsman
Gung Ho

>Highlander
Cartar Stroke

>Peltasta
Swashbuckling

>Hoplite
Finestra

>Barbarian
Seism

>Cataphract
Earth Wave

>Rodelero
lol

>Squire
Weapon Maintenance

>Corsair
Hexen Dropper

>Fencer
Sept Etoiles

>Doppelsoeldner
Cyclone
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>>124053927
>Next to an inaccessible map and a junky town?
Archmage Tower is the 190 dungeon, it is right at the entrance to Mage Tower
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>>124054075
>Small Demon's Skirt Hem
close enough
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>>124054075
Are you not into Monster Girls anon? A little time with MGQ will soon fix that.
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>>124054261
>Saviour running around ripping the skirts off of poor Pawndel and Pawnd
we're awful people you know
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>>124054075
>What the fuck is with this guy? Is he into monsters or some shit?

>Not wanting to queen a pawnd
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>>124054486
Too bad they all grow up to be extra ugly
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>>124054372
>not into monster girls
>what is even the appeal of this artstyle?
>start playing
>get stuck because I cant stop jerking off to the snake girl
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Is the blue hair achievement broken or is it just there are no party quests yet?
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>>124054212
>Squire
Weapon Maintenance: best jew
Repair: best utility/best jew if people are stupid enough
Base Camp + Refreshment Table: best comfy if the teleport works, and the food not bugging all the time
Armor Maintenance: meh
Arrest: lmao
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>>124054707
but doesnt arrest work on f.o.e and bosses?
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>>124054207
get the knockback dmg attribute
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>>124054212
As Highlander C3 I'd like to say that I like Skull Swing, Cross Cut, Skyliner, and Moulinet as much as I do Cartar Stroke, but CS' short CDs and overheat gives it the edge.
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>>124054707
You know what shit me off the most about arrest? In the squire test, the arrest test item caused stun on enemies and you could stlll move during the duration. With the actual skill you're stuck immoble and cannot move or attack, and the enemies can still dish out damage while they're locked in place.
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for some reason I always read this part of the map as
>Badass Forkroad

also Electrocute is actually pretty good with Joint Penalty + the attribute. No mobs I've zapped with it have survived.
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>>124054945
Maybe the not Being to move is a bug and not intended?
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>>124055068
No, you're literally in an animation that's you holding ia rope that links to the enemies, unable to move or attack during the duration.
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>>124055209
Welp the first time i read arrest iwas holy shit this is broken as fuck now its meh whatever
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>>124053921
14+(skillvl) seconds. Long ass cooldown. but hey, it's the best mobility archers get.
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>>124054212
>rodelero
montano because you can use it with a dagger
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>>124055502
Is Rodelero so bad that its best skill is a single hit stun?

It's got to be Shooting Star or Slithering.
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Fresh memes
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>>124055209
So arrest is only exploitable with melee mobs/bosses with 4 ranged dps and 1 squire, Interesting.
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who /autism/ here
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>>124055265
Here's a webm of what it looks like.
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>>124055902
>enemy starts attacking you
ayyylmao
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>>124054075
There was a Priest who asked you to lure little Pantos with candy and now you're complaining about chasing skirts?
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>>124055792
that's always how it is
Pelt C3 > Squire C2 fuckboy that's only purpose is to tank monsters and polish their master's rods
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>>124055853
me
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i want to play this so bad
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>>124055902
It looks just like Corsair's Iron Hook with the attribute turned on. What the fuck IMC.
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>>124055960
Which is precisely the point I was making, it's fucking worthless. I actually more or less specifically went there just because elloms are one of the few enemies whose magic missiles basically never miss.
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>>124056010
I wish you could, too
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>>124055963
Sounds like something to aspire to.
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>>124055963
hey you get 12k-20k per hour from me so you must be getting a lot of shekels
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>>124054618
I don't think the Maidens/Naktis are the same 'group of things' as Pawnd/Pawndels. They look more like female Deadborn, and I'm not sure there's a giant boss equivalent of them.
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>>124056010
wish you could too stalbutt
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how to farm ranking points?

i mean, the non-obvious methods.
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>>124054461
Have you ever noticed that when you knock most things around like with earthquake or something, they'll flip over and fall ungracefully on the ground, but the Pawnds and Pawndels turn over and land on their feet instead of landing in some exposed position?
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>>124055963
I wanted to do highlander3>squire2
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>>124056743
It'd work reasonably well. Highlander 3 is a solid base.
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did they fix bokor yet
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>>124056458
I'm struggling to leave the 70s while Zemyna's #1 gets 2k points everytime I press F4.

I have no idea what that nigga is doing
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>>124057136

i've just saw the top #5 of my server doing random upgrades to +5 (safe level) in various random items. dunno if this helps somehow...
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>>124057021
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>>124055634
montano doesn't even stun most of the time, it's a single hit interrupt with a slow and a chance to stun.
the joke is that all the other skills require a shield, so you have to switch away from your meme dagger to use them, automatically making them inferior.
i suppose high kick doesn't require a shield either and i've seen some people say it's good.
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>>124057261
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>>124054212
>Hexen Dropper

It's Double Weapon Assault.
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is there a way to keep my current class badge in the next advancement?
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>>124057468
I could only pick one. Hexen Dropper hits harder, faster, has a low CD, and overheat.
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>>124054705
pls rspdn
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>>124057302
Does anyone know how long High Kick's debuff lasts? Is the effect similar to Spear Lunge's, but for Strike?
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/tosg/ is everywhere. We are the only ones playing.
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>>124057959
yeah pretty much
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>>124057613
Go for another circle in that class. It's a pretty questionable reason to stick with one, though
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Sorc summon can be buffed with Aspersio, Revive and Stone Skin.
Haven't tested Krivis' buffs yet. Chrono buffs will be tested when i get c6.

There are better cards for second slot than TS, he is CON/SPR.

If you want to build yourself around TS as your main damage, Transponse can let you go full INT for summoning only.

>>124057959
Yea pretty much, saw you guys there so changed to 1st prison, just got 165.
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My god these fucking quests at Tyla Monastery are literally cancer. The fucking pumpkin things rape my ass so hard, how the fuck do I do these quests?
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>>124058198
Kite them.
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What is the most efficient way to get white hair?
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>>124058174
The second slot is only for Morph, the stats it shows when you put a card there are the stats it would have if in the main slot. If you were using Morph as it's meant to be used (to swap stats on cards) Templeshooter would be in the second slot and not the first and it would then gain the stats of the main. For example, morphing Cerberus into Templeshooter gives Temple Cerberus's huge HP pool
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>>124058198
You wouldn't have that problem as a quarrel
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>>124057959
>We are the only ones playing.
Sometimes it sure seems like we are.
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>>124058198
icoin revive. I agree that it was utter ass though. Things are fire resistant.
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>>124058227
I'm at that quest where you have to protect that monk guy while he releases some seal, and there are like 30 mobs swarming you and half of them have a ranged homing magic attack. How the fuck do I kite that?
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>>124049848
Spikes are good for luring monster into one spot.

You need at least 20% mastery so it starts doing 1.4k dmg per spike.

Stone shot dmg is not that good the stun is really good. with 30% mastery is 1k per shot more if its plate enemy.

Pavise is bugged now it blocks but dont stop the projectile, but its blocking melee atks.

Tear down can be a one point wonder if you want, destroy all kinds of traps .

if you want to know more i can tell

also gems are your friends
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>>124058160

b-but i'm c3 already
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>>124058416
You that's bad? I go fucking DESTROYED on the namu temple ruins one where you have to burn some roots.
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>>124058174
Zalciai also buffs it
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>>124058480
Guess you're stuck not advancing, then. Weird reason, though. You rarely see the badge
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>>124058464
yes tell me all about it

Honestly I'm planning on just taking 1 circle of QS for stone shot, but knowing more about it would be good, anything is appreciated. like for c1 what would you max? I was thinking 5 stone shot 5 pavise but I'm not sure about 5 stone pick, caltrops at low levels are worth it?
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Druids. Will they ever learn?
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>>124058565
The monk fucker just stands there doing nothing at this quest, but I think that might be the 4am lag rolling in. Fuck this I quit for today.
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>>124055419
You need to see running shot m8

its fabulous
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>haven't played since FO4
>exp boost
>no more dic
IMC did something right
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>>124058685

druids confirmed for treefuckers.
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>>124058464
Pavise was blocking ranged attack and melee(with proper positioning) before a certain patch broke it. Ranged attack are still blockable in its current bugged state again with proper positioning
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hey /tosg/ can you sword without delay after normal attack
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>>124059120
$NO COMMENT DATA$ 20150317_000019
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>>124058654
if you going just for the QS c1 get 5 stone pick and 1 stone shot you dont need the other skills.

Pavise 5 is ok just to fill in
Spikes 5 are really bad not worth it, they get good at 10.

Ideal if you want to go Qs c2 save 10 points to get Caltrops 10 when u get the class advance, stone pick 4 and stone shot 1 is all you need, anyway.
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Does anyone want to buy this? Or just want it, really
I was going to sell it on the market, then I noticed it ate my ruby. So that's enough of that.
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dmn, had you managed to get any of the class specific shops or abilities working?
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>>124058318
I dyed it white after soaking it in all this cum I crafted.
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>>124059327
it's not worth anything
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4am lag is here
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>>124059248
Nobody reported the Pavise bug, are you gonna report it? I'm still doing testing on it so still gonna take a couple days before I do a post. What server are you?
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>>124059575
I need a reply since I'm also testing a caltrops desync bug, So I really need more quarrel shooters
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>>124059575
Gavidya.

I used the report bug button but my guess is that the korea version already got this one.
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>>124059785
Can we meet or if you can post your name?
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>>124059782
the spikes bug i still dont get it.

it works really fine in dungeons and boss fights.

Shit starts to flow in normal maps close to stairs
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The first time i did this quest, on my Doppel, I jsut died and waited the quest time duration. Now on my second character, after I died, the timer refused to move until I ressurected.
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>>124059785
or I could actually just ask you here, Are you having trouble with caltrops past level 10 IN CERTAIN MAPS.
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>>124060042
try it at mausoleum its a fuckfest lagfest disconnect fest. try it on maps that actually work its fine.
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>>124060060
I'm surprised you would start a new char on zemyna or laima when gajiba has the highest exp rate.
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>>124060083
that shit started after the last patch.

current lvl 15 spikes
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>>124060060
The game is learning. Adapting. Evolving. Very soon, it will @dicID_$ETC_20150918_014643$
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>>124060173
>gabija higher exp than others

First time reading about this. Who said this?
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>>124060197
I already test all the levels its not the levels thats the actual problems its how the maps handle them animation of placed objects on elevation dunno if this actually it.
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>776 STR

I may have underestimated the potential of rank 10 Vendetta JUST A LITTLE BIT
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>>124060309
It's been like that since the 2x exp event happened. test it yourself with the exp viewer if you don't believe it.
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>cast Hail
>nothing dies
meme spell
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>>124060197
are you the level 100 quarrel shooter that talked to mary? I need to know since a sample size of 2 isn't enough. Also i dont really care bro so tell please tell me
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>>124060345
you gain 775 exp with vendetta?
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>>124060494
the fuck you smoking dude
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>>124060494
? ? ?
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>>124060529
i mean str.
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>>124060580
Rank 10 Vendetta gives 308. Brings my total to 776.
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This second journey is almost complete. I'll do the 175 dungeon a last time tomorrow, pop the 15 Lv9 cards I've got on me, be 186, do the 196/197 quests, boost all the way to 193, do 190 dungeon, and go god-knows how far after that.

It's appaling the difference it makes when you know everything there is to know about charatcer pregression BEFORE diving into a character. The only grind period I experienced was 145-158 on Demon Prison. The rest of the time was spent merely questing and/or doing dungeons.

I'll go to sleep for today, but before I go, I'll make another post about everything I learned about Falconer today.
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So what will keep people playing? I mean, I don't want to use the word endgame because that has implications, but you know what I mean. What will the big goals be when you're super strong, rank 10 and rich as balls?
I really want this to do well.
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>>124060743
The journey.
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>>124060743
Right now there's nothing, all endgame gear is super easy to obtain.

Hopefully we get a much higher level cap on release along with way better itemization, with actual options, I want to use different things than other people, and I want to still be grinding, not be stuck at a cap.
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>>124060865
This. The content locusts who use words like "tiered progression" and "endgame" can fuck right off.
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>>124060743
They'll create a strip version of the card game.
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So who else am I gonna sexually harass after
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>>124060743
No one knows. Our beta's "endgame" is actually non-existent because it's only rank 6 and 200 levels. Only the devs know what they have in mind. No one else can see that far into the future (chances are they can't either)
I want it to do well, but I'm not gonna go making wild guesses
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>>124060878
I can't put my finger on it, I've reached the same conclusion that the games items are super easy and its fast to level when you actually know how to. But I can't explain why I can't stop playing.
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>>124060703
Thank you lp.
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>>124060703

About the Hawk/Falcon:

>You get a free Hawk voucher, same as when job changing into Cata/Hunter
>The hawk is level 1 when you get it
>It has STA when you get it, but there's no way to replenish it after it ends
>It does NOT auto attack, ever, at all
>After using any of the skills, the bird will fly off into the horizon and not come back
>You have to use Call every time this happens so the bird will follow you again
>Nothing ever hits the bird, it's invulnerable, even though it has HP
>You can have both pets out at once
>Open the F9 window will always hsow your regular pet
>You must leave your regular pet in the lodge in order to see the Falcon's stats, or to train it
>Other characters cannot use the Falcon by switching it to another character

About attributes:

>The HP and STA attributes from hunter are shared with Falconer
>The Call: Obtain attribute works maybe half of the time. It gives random consumables, including potions
>Couldn't figure out what the Circling attribute does. It's probably trash, just like the skill itself

1/2
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>>124060865
I get that anon, but that only lasts so long. People are spoiled on fast progression these days so if it's too slow, slow enough to be profitable, they will leave. If it's to their pace they'll reach the end of that journey pretty quickly. I'm not saying I want raids or anything like that, in fact the whole raid lock out/organize a bunch of retards thing is what kills most MMOs for me after awhile.
I'm just being realistic here.

>>124060947
>Content locusts

Come on now anon, it's not a sin to want a game you like to have things to do in it for a long time. Endgame isn't a dirty word. Again, I'm not saying this should turn into some awful WoW clone. If I did I wouldn't be asking what type of content you'd want to see.
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>>124061279
2/2

About the Skills

>Call just calls the bird when it flies off
>Perch does NOT recover STA. Having a perch nearby will prevent the bird from flying off after using skills, but the range on it is absurdly, ridiculously low
>Stepping half a screen's distance will out-distance Perch's effects
>Giving any order to the bird while it is descending onto the Perch will consume SP and do nothing
>Hovering, like all auto-targetting skills, will often target non-monsters(fireballs, traps), and sometimes attack where a monster recently died
>Pheasant does really ncie damage, but the long cooldown makes it impractical
>Both Pheasant and Hovering have a TON of knockback, which is awful if you want to gather monsters together for any purpose(in my case, Growling)
>Hanging shot WILL bug you every time you use it when the falcon isn't lfying above you, sometime making you stuck, sometimes by leaving you behind and controlling the bird
>When I used it back when I still had STA on the bird, I was going as fast as a Cataphract, but now I am about as fast as a dashing swordsman

That's pretty much it. Good night /tosg/.
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>>124060703
>145-158
Why 158? I thought its 165?
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>>124061293
>want a game you like to have things to do in it for a long time
>doesn't want a grind
Isn't this the fabled game that people want that is impossible to actually do?
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>>124061353
I had enough cards to get out as soon as 154 if I wanted. 165 is just the most efficienty path, since you can almost go directly to 200 after that.
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>Get hit
>Be bleeding
>Taking damage more than 1s
>Swap to bare hands
>Taking the same amount of damage
Thought you said it was like hitting myself. Did they change it?
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>>124060703
>>124061279
No RoriPan-san, when you get to the 186 reset, do the lv175 dungeon two more times.
The exp is actually great after the reset, it will actually almost put you in the 190s, so you can use only some cards to get to 190, then to the lv190, you'll be 190+ without actually using your cards (or at least, most of them)

Almost everyone forget about this.
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>>124061447
How many cards do you need to leave at 154? Do you mean the lvl 6s?
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>be me
>thaumaturge
>grinding in demon prison 2
>retarded sapper puts down a brrom trap tries to ks me
>reversi that shit
>laugh at his idiocy
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So it the second demon prison worthless if you can't kill the trees in a reasonable amount of time?
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>>124061463
The bleed's damage parameters might be snapshotted on application.
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>>124061386
When did I say I didn't want to grind? Just that grinding implies you're moving toward something, something you'll eventually reach, and then what? The whole raid tiered progression nonsense was created because it sort of solves this problem because you can just keep adding layers
>So just add more things to grind for
That's what I'm asking about dummy, what things?
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>>124061510
>stuff that only happens in our heads
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>>124061578
I was just pointing out that's the perfect game that people want unlimited content without ever grinding which is kinda impossible to do.
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>>124061578
I'm having fun making multiple characters with my group. The classes play differently when coordinated with other classes.
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>>124061463
I should also mention that there's no way I could be doing as much damage as I'm doing to myself. I got 4 fuckin' str man.
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>>124061673
Not unlimited content, but content that will last a long time.
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>>124061723
but nothing actually lasts a long time when you have nolifers/harcore players
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>>124061762
Anon I just wanted to know what you want to see in your stupid fucking chink game
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>>124061480
When it turns midnight, I'll have to do them twice just to get from 185 to 186. If I want ANOTHER day, i'll be doing the 175 dungeon at the expense of not doing the 190 one, which doesn't make sense.

From this point forward, I'll just have to do 190 dungeon maybe 2 or 3 times and i'll be 200.

>>124061490
All 7s and 8s, plus 78 lvl 6 cards. This is what I had.

Someone had pointed out to me that I had missed 3 lvl8 cards, but whatever. Don't know if I had missed them, or I counted wrong the ones I was still about to get. Too much work to find out.

Basically what I did was:

>Take advantage of the high rates on low levels to not eat any cards at all, unless Iam more than 6 levels below a map
>Do dungeons for 15 levels(50-65, 90-105, 130-145)
>Grind Prison to 158(I had originally planned 160 but got lazy)
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>>124061596
No, it happened, and whenever I see a broom trap I will always reversi it.
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>>124061808
err, sorry. I'll drop it. I actually don't know what I see in it and I actually can't explain it either.
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>>124061809
50-57 is faster if you can grind the Egnomes on the fourth floor of Tenet chapel instead of the 50 dungeon.
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>>124061930
I was an Archer2 + early Hunter1 at that point, so it wasn't really an option I guess.

Doing the dungeon is fine. Just wish it would drop anything useful.
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>>124061762
it's called PvP
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MMOs last because people like using them as chat rooms. The chatroom aspect needs to be enhanced. Also add in cute clothes to wear and trade with each other. Grinding for dresses and hats.

This game is too story focused. Either they're going to have to end the story at some point and do something else with half the world still looking like it's undergoing an apocalypse, or they're going to eventually become more and more contrived as they can't end it. It's probably better to treat this game as an experiment. Maybe they'll make a sequel in some years and not have it seem so single player themeparky.
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>>124060470

yeah i talked to a quarrel lvl 175 i think

and yes current lvl 100, small world
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>>124062060
>PVP
Ganking lowbies?
The joke that is dueling?
"open pvp" which is still just ganking lowbies?
Add in corrupted vs pure revelator realm vs realm battles? (aka ganking lowbies)
WoE isn't really that interesting either.

Just go play a MoBA or Eve Online.
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>>124062084
I can agree with this. Grinding for cosmetics isn't too bad, so long as you do it right. Stats are also going to be a part of the game of course. Making an MMO story focused is a fucking awful idea though. Maybe 5% of the population will read your shitty quest text.

Just make super loose and exploitable upgrade systems that let you manipulate certain aspects of them to get retarded strong. Make it a lot of work to do and there's your non-tiered endgame. Basically make it Maplestory but good.
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>>124061480
You get the same xp you just need less to advance.
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>>124062656
Yes? I thought that was implyed there
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>>124062830
>>124061480
>The exp is actually great after the reset

implies to me that you get more xp
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kek, this game is so retarded.

how to get some easy ranking points:

>buy crap item
>hammer it
>buy another (different) crap item
>hammer it
>repeat
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>>124062656
You actually get less XP since your level is a lot higher than the mob level, do you not?
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>>124061825
What does that do? make it yours?
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>>124062890
I'm glad we cleared that up then

>>124063015
Technically, yes. It's about 70% of the normal exp.
That said, you need way less to level, so your exp gain is still high.

For exemple: going from 175 -> 176 you need 4m exp while going from 186->190 you need ~2.5m, so you need -50% exp less while you still get ~70% exp

I think solo you can go from 186 to 190 with only the dungeon exp
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>>124062997
hammer it?
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>>124063385
Start buying anvils now, son
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>>124062147
making a 3rd quarrel shooter wouldn't actually let me test if its character specific bug or something since it happens on both my quarrel shooters. I might actually need to go to reddit /forums to find more quarrel shooters.
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>>124062997
sure, if youre a rankfag who actually care about ranking
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Does any sorc have a dullahan or deathweaver card? Do they work as summons? If so, what are they like compared to others?
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>>124063570
Deathweaver works as summon, it's not that great but if you use Riding, you sit on the throne
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>>124063775
aren't the S and D skills bugged and do nothing?

easily the best summon to ride, though
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>>124058464
Dude, are you the level 1XX quarrel shooter I've already talked to or a different guy?
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>>124063947
>>124063775
Deathweaver has a throne? Isn't that the spider lady one and not Throneweaver?
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>>124062997
Is that how people get 40k points?
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>>124064187
naw, you'd eventually run out of easy items to upgrade
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>>124064282
u wot
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Im i doing it right?

Don't react to imposters
There can be only one Quarrel
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>>124064546
>no Caltrops
>>
>Bringing mobs to where they don't spawn just to interrupt afking
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I am so tempted to blow my card wad at level 158. The exp is just so slow.
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>>124064668
I'm not sure.
Do i need them?
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Can someone inform me as to why people buy primaluce? Are there not better swords to use past 150?
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>>124064883
I think it's a recipe item
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Guys I'm lvl 130 RIGHT NOW. is it possible to hit 200, or at least r6, and how soon can I do it if i buckle down? How much dungeoning should I do?
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>>124065013
Yes.
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>>124065013
yeah you can hit r6 at least, do as much dungeoning as possible
>>
What's the minimum level you need to just reach circle 6 by carding? fuck 200.
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>>124065013
If you're one of those classes that can solo 2nd/demon prison then you can reach it by friday.
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>>124065013
do the dungeon at least 4 times, ideally you leave at 150. You can reach rank 6 in 3 days at the slowest.
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>>124065058
it's like 177 or 178
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Can I get a cute gf in this game?
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>>124065108
I meant like could you use the cards at 15X and reach that?
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>>124065058
166 if you got no level 6 cards left
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>>124065058
165, same thing you should normally stop at. People don't tell you to stay at Demon Prison for that long because it makes getting to 200 easy, it's because you will have a fucking awful time getting up to 175 where you unlock the next dungeon otherwise. You need 177-178 to unlock R6 and don't forget that you actually need a couple class levels to actually have points to spend on those skills. Really no way to avoid grinding.
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>>124063189
It flips broom trap upside down, making the spinny part underground and thus unable to hit anything.
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>>124065131
I dunno. You can get Cattly, though.
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>>124065147
around 158-160 in that range will put you in level range to get the remainder of the level 8 cards which will take you to rank 6.
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>>124061279
>free pet vouchers
what? hunters get one too? I don't remember this at all! Do I still have one on my hunter??
>>
So what is currently the best rogue build?
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>>124064846
>The exp is just so slow.
2-3 levels per hour is low? Nigga okease,
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>>124065242
>Archer Ranger C3 Rogue C2
>Archer C2 Sapper C2 Rogue C2
just pick the one you like
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>>124064846
I'm 165 and i love prison gring.
After i get more lv8 cards i'm going back there for 2-3 lvls more.
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>>124065349
Rogue's don't need scout for backstabs?
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Beta ending soon is making me pretty depressed
What am I meant to do for the huge amount of time between beta's?
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>>124065407
>being this addicted to the demon cock that you go back for more after its over
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>>124065242
pretty much this >>124065349

It doesn't really matter though, Rogue doesn't really synergize with any of the previous circles. Crit from behind and big strength buff when you see a crystal and have vendetta up.

>>124065414
No. see >>124060345

Also Rogue can turn mobs around with Feint.
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>>124065434
POE
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>>124065434
Xenoblade Chronicles X
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>>124065434
I'm reading LN's between betas.
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>>124065438
I have only 115 lv7 cards, with around 90 lv8 cards this will get me to 174.
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>>124062147
Also quarrel bro if you reach rank6 and do what we talked about and we ever meet again. I'm gonna teach you the secrets of life.
>>
HOLY FUCK, LINKER IS SO RETARD THAT I'M LINKING MOBS AND KILLING WITH REFLECT SHIELD.
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>>124065176
Do they get super pissed when they see it happen? Because that's fucking hilarious.
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>>124065714
lv15 reflect shield?
You know that lv15 EQ boosted by link earth damage attribute outdamages any other Wizard tree skill?
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>>124065438
Reminding you that your posts make me hard as fuck.
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>>124065805
this sounds like a future proof build to me anon
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>>124065805
this fucking meme dude
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>>124064546
come 1v1 with me Archer2 Ranger3.
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>>124065805
>earthquake in pvp
>enemy jumps rickrolled
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>>124065897
Wiz3>Link>Chrono2 is most futureproof build we have right now.
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>>124065997
What's the point of a "futureproof" build on a character that has no future?
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Found this
What do?
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>>124066031
Use the Reagent, obviously.
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>>124066031
Insert futa cock.
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>>124065920
>Archer2

Why, on QS3?
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>>124065414
They do if you want consistent backstabs.
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>>124066115
No lewding pink haired adventurers in ToS. White-hair only.
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It was love from the first sight

>>124065920
You can't beat me. I'll just use full CON build, shield and Deploy Pavise, with Shield Mastery it will be about ~100% missile resist\evade. Meanwhile i have 100% stun with 0sec cooldown. And damage, ofc.
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>hangman's knot attribute

well, soundsl ike free dmg. is there any reason to not keep this on?
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>>124066264
If you're a pyro it knocks your fireball away which cripples you immensely. Otherwise, no.
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>>124066259
That's cute
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>>124066183
Nah

Stabbing is easy.
>>
though

https://youtu.be/DHVlhHJeouE
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>>124066183
Stealth has 35s cd

Attributed feint has 25s cd

It's not really important.
>>
How good is Schwarzer Reiter?
The outfit looks cool but beyond that nothing looks hugely appetizing.
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>>124066458
Does feint work on bosses?
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>>124066604
>Memer Reiter
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>>124066643
memer?
>>
>>124066332
Is sapper worth it over ranger?
>>
>>124066660
Memer.
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>>124066604
>meme-meme pistol
>>
I reached level 200 famtachi, I don't know what to do and I've lost all motivation to play.
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>>124066756
If you want to level fast then Sapper is pretty much the only choice. Meme prison with single target/low AOE is pure shit.
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>>124066629
Bosses have so many self stunning animations that you don't need either.
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Is there a chance to get Mana-Mana on Gabija? im just going to be Schwarzer really soon, but i don't see nor recipes, neither Guns on the market?
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>>124066865
Make another Level 200
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>>124066031

>lvl 144
>has less hp than my lvl 60 pyro
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>>124066302
That's an attribute thing. doesn't happen without the attribute active.
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>>124067015
He was talking about the attribute.
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>>124067053
Oh, my bad, I misread.
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>>124066915
there was somone with one who posted here
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>priest
>hard

>dievdirby
>easy

>sadhu
>hard

>linker
>hard

>chronomancer
>normal

>sorcerer
>hard

why you be lyin imc?
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>>124067153
i'm not even sure what the difficulty meter is meant to represent
it's not really possible to be "good" at this game outside of minmaxing
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you are a casual
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>>124067454
>archer c3 scout c3
How was leveling that mess like?
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>>124067369
But it's definitely possible to be bad. Look at some of the BRs
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>>124066950
this is a vicious cycle that won't stop until they close the servers on the 9th
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What spear should I be using as 170 Hoplite?
Still Zega Spear? Brandish is impossibru.
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>>124067454
the journal is the most casual thing in the game though
it's just collecting random shit for no reason, takes no real effort, maybe a few mil to get most of the points, the other half is just from upgrading them and running awakening dungeons
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Can some sappers tell me what their skill rotation is typically like? What do you do when broom trap is on holiday?
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I'm rolling Krivis, what should I expect
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>>124067454
im doing a no card run but sure since you said it i guess im casual
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>>124067582
crying
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>>124067601
dealing more damage than most wizards
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>>124067153
linker is clearly the hardest class because if you accidentally fatfinger physical link you can kill everyone in your party
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>>124067621
frankly that's partly why I'm rolling Krivis. that bitch class does more damage than my elementalist.
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>>124067660
>didn't get lvl 15 earthquake
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>>124067601
Pop all your spells and they run in circles waiting for cd's to go off for next 20 sec.

>>124067621
>>124067660
Funny fact, lv15 Cure can outdamage lv15 Zaibas.
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>>124066865
kinda same for me.
i barely did anything after getting 200 and a few extra class lvls. made 2 alts but didnt play them much. dont rly like the other 9001 classes. many are just so shit
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>>124067660
>>124067707
Thats why Wiz3>Ele3 is current meta
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>>124067716
CLERIC 3 KRIVIS 3 BOIS WW@
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>>124067786
yeah i know but its much funnier to just say the earthquake meme than say wiz3 out aloud
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>>124067836
pleeeease anon-kun ! stahp use this silly maymay, u baka ;_;
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>>124067891
it just cracks me up i can't stop
>enemy jumps or flying
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>>124067582
Depends on the situation
>some weakish enemies
Stockades, it does decent damage and lasts for a while, can kill tons of weak enemies if you lure them to it. Claymore also works and can overkill weak leather mobs, but it's slower. Broom is great here too but I'd rather use it on stronger enemies or a huge number of them
>They're fliers
Claymore if you want to overkill, collar bomb, you can even set stockades and detonate them if you're really desperate
>I want to kill this faggot as soon as possible
Spiky shooter, collar bomb if there's someone/something nearby
>I want to see the monsters getting blown the fuck out
Punji

There's the usual oblique spam between those, too
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>>124067835
There was one anon who did math with max attribs for both spells. After certain INT breakpoint, Cure does more damage.
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>>124067954
stop right there, bro
bullying the real EQ anon is a crime !
check your privilege bro
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>>124068114
ok, ok i'll stop using it.
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>>124068114
yea only bullying cataphracts is currently acceptable
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>>124067716
>Funny fact, lv15 Cure can outdamage lv15 Zaibas.
yeah except zaibas can be cast twice in 30 seconds whereas cure can only be cast once
and double zaibas hits 38 times, the exact same amount as cure
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>>124068114
>>124067786
Thanks to you faggots look what I had to party with today. It didn't actually go that bad the 2 Krivis's just carried them.
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>>124068389

Let us not forget the fact Cure doesn't hit flying enemies and it's actually considered decent because unlike most skills in the game it has an INT scaling.
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>>124068637
zaibas also has int scaling
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>>124068579
Linker was the problem here, why bother linking when you can just submit yourself to level 15 EQ cock?
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>>124068579
is that...
two wiz3's?
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>>124068701

But a flat int scaling? Cure's formula is literally something like "INT + X" if I remember correctly.

It's one of the reasons why it's actually useable despite being a rank 1 skill.
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>>124068776
yes
cure's base damage is 31 + INT
zaibas' base damage is 356 + INT
and then those numbers get modified (read: added to) by magic and elemental damage
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I fiinally hit the curve reset at 186, how long until I hit 200?
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>>124068883
one 175 run
two 190 runs
maybe handful of cards in between
you done
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>>124068834
>356 + INT times 38 every 30 seconds
Is krivis3 actually the most overpowered class?
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>>124068776
>>124068834
At the end of the day what really matters is the mob element weakeness.

If it's weak to holy, Cure will greatly outdamage Zaibas. If it's weak to lightning, Zaibas will greatly outdamage Cure.
Since INT (and MATK, which is added to the final damage) tends to increase as your character progresses, the difference in damage between Zaibas and Cure tends to become proportionally smaller. Since element modifiers apply to the damage as a whole, the static base damage difference between them is negligible.
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>>124068834

Ahh, I see!
It just sucks that Krivis and Cleric both can shit out damage with those skills and things like EQ 15 are memes.

Wizzes are pretty much hated by IMC aren't they?
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>>124068986
>Since element modifiers apply to the damage as a whole, the static base damage difference between them is negligible.
1178 (Cure) vs. 13528 (Zaibas)
that doesn't sound very negligible to me
and since they hit the same amount of times it's not like cure gets an advantage with int/meme dagger scaling
also as far as i know bosses don't seem to have elemental weaknesses? i could be wrong.
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>>124069139
It's one of those situations where they make one thing so ridiculous that the rest of the kit has to be shit. If they nerfed quick cast they could buff the rest of the kit.
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>>124069151

Pretty sure they have weaknesses. When Soloing the lvl 90 dungeon with my Sadhu I always saw that Cure dealt 50% more damage to the necroventer.
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>>124069246
that's type weakness right? because necroventer is a ghost it's weak to magic
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>>124069273

Gosh, now I totally don't remember for sure. Wasn't magic's amp with ghosts only 25%? Now I'll have to check it out when I'm home, hahaha.

>>124069187
Problem is that quick cast is a C3 skill, so it's not really very justifiable that 90% of the wizard playerbase sane enough to not go wiz C2 simply ignores most of the rank 1 skills given.
Tbh I only use Earthquake at level 1 as a CC if things get too crowded.
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>>124069151
>that doesn't sound very negligible to me

But it is, as your INT and MATK increase.
Assume 500 INT and 1000 MATK:

Cure: 38 * (31 + 500 + 1000) * element modifier
Zaibas: 38 * (356 + 500 + 1000) * element modifier

Cure: 58178 (116356 against dark)
Zaibas: 70528 (141056 against ice)

Zaibas deals 21.2% more damage than Cure.

Now with 800 INT and 1500 MATK:

Cure: 38 * (31 + 800 + 1500) * element modifier
Zaibas: 38 * (356 + 800 + 1500) * element modifier

Cure: 88578 (177156 against dark)
Zaibas: 100928 (201856 against ice)

Now Zaibas is only 13.9% stronger than Cure.


As enemy HP increases, this static, flat difference becomes negligible.
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>>124069602
It's a large static flat difference. 300 int without counting the bonuses is 300 levels.
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>>124069368
>desu I only use Earthquake at level 1 as a CC if things get too crowded.
and that is the only reason to even have that skill at shortcut bars
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You can lose hits on Cure if some dumbass or a minion stands in it (or even things like Corsair's flag) and I would much prefer Zaibas for this reason alone.
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>>124069246
Certain mobs are also weak to holy. Most of the mobs in chapel, for example. If you've got sacrament in the 50 dungeon, most mobs there are weak to holy.

Not sure if there are any demon-type ghost mobs, but I suppose they'd get a double-whammy.
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>>124069710

>not using EQ lvl 15 to do OVER 10K DMG
>>
the level 15 eq meme wouldn't even be that bad if eq had an infinite aoe attack ratio like almost every other spell in the game
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>>124069710

That's my point basically. Most Druids/Bokor/Etc you'll find still use Cure because it actually deals decent damage even at level 5.

Now, would you ever see a Necro use EQ5 unironically, as a damage dealing spell?
And, sadly, Wiz 1 only have that and energy bolt as true damaging skills, so yeah.

Truth be told Cleric 1 is as great as a rank 1 class should be. Other rank 1 classes should really reflect on that in terms of scaling and such.
>>
What's more frustrating? Linker that actually uses Physical Link or Sapper that blows up friendly skills with Detonate?
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>>124069984

Just be a Swordsman and give no fucks about neither since you barely have interruptable skills and no deployables at all.
>>
>Magic Missile moved to C2
>It gets more missiles as you level it up
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>>124070103
>They all still miss because it doesn't work on ctrl lock unlike nearly every other target lock skill
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>>124070076
I actually wanted to make one of them to annoy people intentionally. Maybe even go Chrono with maxed stop for 15 seconds of monster immunity.
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>>124070103
>magic missile now worls like RO soul strike
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>>124070217
>magic missile now works

That's all it needs, folks.
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>>124069930
i'm not sure how to feel about cleric1
on the one hand giving all clerics the best healing spell in the game means there's no lack of healers for dungeons
on the other hand every cleric build is as much of a healer as every other cleric build, which kind of completely removes healing from the list of playable archetypes
it feels like fundamentally bad game design, not that tree of savior is in short supply of that, but i think we're a long way away from complete class overhauls so it's going to be like this for a long time.
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A
BETA
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>>124070513
impossible
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>>124070513
HOW
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>>124070556
This game is beyond repair.
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>>124070513
this changes everything I NEED THIS
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>>124070513
wait isnt this just gonna change the costume on your screen and nothing else move along nothing to see here
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>>124070829
>just gonna change the costume on your screen
DO WANT !!! HOW ?
>>
>>124070513
>>124070756
So now that you're here, how do I target a specific npc when bring up the shop or attribute frame for example?
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>>124070998
No idea.
You normally don't need a fully working shop frame to sell stuff.
>>
>>124070513
>>124070756
so stuff like this is because hotkey.xml lets you keybind any command you want, right?
i'm just guessing
why the hell does the game work this way
>>
Whoever makes the guild for tosg DO NOT invite Yulina I can see the thirsty sweaty fags drooling over her attention-whoring ass already. She is guild drama waiting to happen. Anyone from Laima can forsee this.
>>
they broke dungeons everything lags
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Level 173 swordie here, went swords>highlander>barb c3, currently pondering my options for my 6th circle. I could go the memebarb route with doppel, or I could pick up c1 pelt for uber utility...or I could go highlander c2 for moulinet and cross cut. Anyone have experience with this? My mind tells me that peltasts is the best bet, but it's hard to say no to doppel/spin2win or higher level cartar stroke/moulinet
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>>124071473
>Laima
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>>124071473
wrong server friend
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>>124071473
lol are you reading general chat too

"she" is a he
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>>124071441
probably why they put the keyboard rebinder in-game in korea
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>>124071483
Go Doppelsoeldner. The "utility" is not worth giving up a rank 6 class for. You've already built the entire meme route, why stop now?
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>>124071673
Is doppel that good? I read that deeds of valor is bugged and doesn't give attack speed. Also, having pelt would get me a pretty solid spot in parties.
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>>124071926
Dopp is ridiculously good. You have to try it.

Also if you want to try pelt you can reroll another swordie and get right away at rank 2.
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>>124071473
>Laima
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>>124069930
isn't energy bolt just as irrelevant as earthquake later on?
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>>124071926
Pelt would be good utility for trying to get to rank 6.
At rank 6 why bother?
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>>124071959
I have a peltasts on another server, desu swashbuckling is gg. But ok, doppel it is.

I've been reading that 1h+karacha/arde is better than 2h even for highlanders...is that for real? Or do I need something like a trinity which I can't afford? Am I supposed to go for hell&heaven or something else?
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>>124071483
Fencer or Doppel, pick which you think is cuter
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>>124070270
Priest's mass heal is a great panic button, but a skilled (or simply not-retarded) party can make it work will just vanilla Heal.

I guess what I'm saying is, priest is the healer class that just makes life easier for most dungeon groups. I feel like going paladin would be nice depending on how beneficial the elemental resist aura is.
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>tfw soloing a dungeon some skills not even connecting because of lag
WTF is this shit
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>>124072160
Why fencer?
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>>124072218
IT'S JUST A BETA
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KILL ME
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>>124072235
Barb3 is the best path to it. Also, cute
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>>124072373
devilish
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>>124072373

DOA
O
A
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>>124072373
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>>124072235
>pick whichever you think is cuter

>>124072423
Not that guy but huh, you reckon? Is it because none of hoplites skills synergise with fencer at all, while barbs can be used with any weapon?
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>>124072373
your build is wrong anon are you even trying? also kek
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>>124072556
Yeah. Its a waste to go Fencer from Hoplite, sure stabbing works well with some skills since its pierce but you'd be losing Finestra
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>>124071230
When you bring up the attributes training window, you can see it needs a specific npc string attached to tell it which class you are looking up. Otherwise the window will be blank as if there were no attributes to train
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>>124072659
So basically
sword > pelt > hop3 > doppel
sword > pelt > barb3 > fencer
sword > pelt > hop2/barb2 > corsair 2
sword > pelt > whatever floats your boat > squire2
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>>124072373
I-it's just a beta...!
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>>124072925
Peltasta can be replaced in all those cases with Highlander as well.
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is rapid fire from qs2 any good?

wondering if i should go for it or just get a random circle in hunter just for some free extra pet damage
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Are Vuvuzelas tradeable?
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>>124073006
All games are hackable better let that sink in and just actually enjoy the game your playing
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>>124073046
I wouldn't replace usefulness at any stage with shit.
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>>124073310
It's fun because it's a beta.
It will be much less fun if the release is full of hackers and exploiters.

Hopefully they'll fix the most important issues.
>>
Is there some Red Infromeme?

I mean, the mobs. There are Rocktors. And there are Red Infrorocktors. Hoglans. And then Red Infro Hoglans. Red Infro Bats.

What the fuck with this Red Infromeme? Red Infro Sorcerer. Red Infro Arde Dagger. Going like Red infro Barbarian using Red Infro Kartar Red infro Stroke

i don't even
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>>124073413
I doubt it all online games have them the only difference is most hacks aren't seen by the general public or circulated to the playerbase while some are kept secret behind paywalls for profit or to gain advantage from other players.
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>>124072925
How can an ugly outlandish Barbarian turn into a cute elegant Fencer???
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>>124073589
Ugly duckling into a beautiful swan?
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>>124073576
shame this game has no skill cap
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>>124072373
Was this accomplished via the change job interface?
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>>124073889
easily solvable by getting the system to generate a log list of players who went beyond certain thresholds
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>>124073889
Hacking and Hacking prevention has always been cat and mouse.
>>
How many level 8 cards are there
>>
holy fuck rush dog does so much damage
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>>124074268
said no one ever who didn't have an overleveled pet from their main
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>>124074383
level 42 with a 38 pet

alright buddy
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>>124074268
holy fuck EQ does so much damage
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>>124074268
For now
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>>124074046
This goes beyond Korean programming know-how.
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>>124073889
or now that I think I about it its just easier to put a cap, kek
>>124074046
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>>124072925
Barb3 no good for doppel?
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>>124074569
is that how its done in other mmos?
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>>124075084
going fencer gives you pierce damage
since you already have slash and strike
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>>124075108
not really you can still hack the skill cap anyway, but makes it harder.
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>>124069930
>Now, would you ever see a Necro use EQ5 unironically, as a damage dealing spell?

>mfw lv200 and I do
Well, I mean, those rare cases (read:field bosses faceroll) when I have to wait all my cooldowns, I still use it. Also is the only shit I have to kill Elets (fire absorb fuckets) since the templeshooter hits whatever he pleases.

It's not a mythical 10k since I'm no wiz3, but it's still better than doing nothing or auto-attacking a couple of times.

That said, it really is shit
>>
Is there a working boss timer for Zemyna?
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>>124072005
Even more, for most wizards
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>>124075108
Given enough time and effort you can break anything, so its better to not really think about it and just play the game. anyway i've been afk for so long i wanna play
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so when do I pop all my 7&8 cards

i don't think i can take more demon dick
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>>124075669
oh anon, my friend. let me help you.
the exact number is read the damn threads you double nìgger ! ppl ask and answer this like 10 times each threads. ffs ur one lazy nìgger
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>>124075669
use a fucking calculator, the spreadsheet or something else and see how many cards you need to reach lvl 175 and do the dungeon
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>>124052152
>Priest
Revive.

>Paladin
Restoration

>Krivis
Zalcial.

>Dievdirby
Owl.
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>>124076440
this is some shit bait
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>>124048041
I've never read something so fucking stupid
>>
What do I do with the Giant Mutated Plant in Uskis Arable Land?
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>>124054212
But Cartar is shit 140+, isn't?
Skull Swing is better, I guess. Or that bleeding combo.

>Squire
I think the camp+food is better.

>>124054859
I dind't picked Moulinet, is it good?
I went for Cross Cut+Skyliner lv.10, instead of lv.5+Moulinet lv.10. Also, Vertical Slash, but I guess I could dump it and put skyliner on lv.10.

>>124056743
Isn't barbarian2 better, because low cooldown, aoe and seism?
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How good is Bokor3>? after you get out of Demon Prison grinding?

Since it's so effective in there would it make a good money-making character? I'm having a lot of fun but I'm not sure how viable Bokor3 is for late game bossing
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>>124076940
>>124076440
laima/owl is pretty meh compared to koks desu senpai
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>>124052152
Priest post iCoin res: revive
Priest now: Blessing
Diev: Owl
Krivis: Zalciai
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>>124052458
/memberinfo
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>>124077620
Just do all the dailies every day, rush the boss once you're past exp range (105ish) to get the gg drops talt
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Jesus, why Monk C1 feels so weak?
My AA with sacrament does more dmg than double punch.
What am I doing wrong?
Is Monk C2 worth it?
Thinking about rerolling as Sadhu.
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>>124077816
monk is just bad
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>Don't even mean to save cards
>The double exp and the exp rates on Gabija have put me at 130 before even reaching Forest of Prayer
>Saving all level 6s from now to avoid using them until after the two dungeon runs of the day
>The dungeon will likely leave me 140+ and put me in Demon Prison territory after Main Chamber
Oh that's just weird
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>>124055728
I've actually partied with a Scout3 and it wasn't bad.
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>>124077892
the meme is archer 3
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What now? I can't find motivation to keep going till job 15.
I want to try another class but I can't find motivation either because the beta is about to end.
I hope I don't kill myself before 2017, I really want to play this game
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>>124077187
>Cartar is shit 140+

I don't know where this meme came about, because Cartar is what it always is even at 140+. It's an eight hit strike multi-hitting skill. How many other swordsman skills give you strike? Let alone have it multi-hit.

>Moulinet

Yes, it's good. It's 6 hits slash and has an improved chance of critical. I consider Skull Swing, Cross Cut, Skyliner, and Moulinet core skills for Highlander, while Vertical Slash is situational.
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>>124077816
>he fell for the Monk meme
I hope that you aren't Priest C3, son.
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How romantic can you be in this game?

Can you really fall in love and get a priest to marry you?
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>>124077852
What about paladin?
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>>124078246
You can do all kinds of things! I've heard you can even FUCK OFF and KILL YOURSELF.
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>>124078246
why'd someone cut up that girl's face
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>>124077930
But anon, that level 15 multi-shot!
>>
Did they extend the beta again or is it about to end?
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>>124071473
Pretty sure Yulina is a trap.

Would tease though over shout
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>>124077816
Monk is really bad right now.
Sadhu will deal more damage and be a better support.
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Where the fuck is the Vakarine statue there?
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>>124070513
>>124070756
what happen?
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>>124077930
He was archer3scout3
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did archers get buffed yet or is this beta still not worth playing
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>>124078508
God, I remember the days tosg thought that archer 3>Wugushi3 is the only good archer build
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>>124078628
Upper right.
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>>124078629
>not a mage
>sorcerer outfit

>>124072373
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>>124078676
Wasn't it pretty good before the nerfs?
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Just got C6 and went for Alchemist. God, how long does the awakening dungeon takes to complete - been here for ~20 minutes
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>>124078660
split arrow is goat
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I don't think I have ever seen the thank emote ever be used to thank someone. Did IMC mean for it to be this way?
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>>124078749
were there changes to wugushi in this beta? i though it because some level 200 archer3>wugushi3 posted his character in the forum.
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>>124077524
>>124077524
>>124077524
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>>124078947
Iirc some of the other archer class buffs were changed not to work with wugushi skills
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>>124078750
Nevermind, 30 minutes passed and the boss spawned. They could at least make it interesting.
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>>124079269
now imagine you have done it 500 times

remember if you don't do it for free you are a money grubbing jew!
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>>124079269
B-But you're a jew for asking for more than the base price
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>>124079253
Are you referring to Steady Aim? That change was more so that Linkers couldn't share it with the group.
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>>124079356
>>124079386

Heck I wouldn't do it for cash either, this is beyond boring. Maybe if the guy who gets in with me did the clearing while I'd be afk.
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>>124078698
thanks
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>>124079113
i have seen bokor druids only use their grass shit at bosses
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Is the Gelatunis Staff available in this build ? I haven't seen/heard of the monsters dropping it.
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>>124079356
>>124079386
>>124079439
>mfw theres a chance to kike the jews as a goyim by being a mercenary for hire in dungeons.
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>>124079269
>30 min
wow, that's long. what item ?

time/waves depend on color,stars,maybe-iLvL

most things i done was 6-18min
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>>124079508
and it's good enough? Maybe I can just do that until Witch Doctor
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>>124079960
I didn't bother to look for the list posted previously on /tosg/ so I awakened a random item from my inventory (Maledic staff).

30 minutes for 30 HP. Time well spent.

What does leveling the awakening do, option to awaken more items at once or ?
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>>124080108
the awakening list is telling people to make a 2 handed sword wizard
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>>124080108
skill lvl = number of ppl (partymembers) can enter

but its bugged atm and even at L1 two ppl can enter

and all mobs/bosses in there are really easy, but boring as fuck.
no need for more then 1 person in there now.
maybe at endgame items@ muh 600 cap ?
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>>124080108
You can bring m oore people in with you

It's completely a 2 point wonder in almost every case. Perhaps if they decide to make orange items actually difficult leveling this skill can be worth it and force alchemists to chooose how they want to make their money: Roasting, Briquetting, Tincturing, MagnumOpus or Awakening.

If they made dig/combustion combo actually strong maybe it would force one more 5point ot o fpeople, but as it is now Briquetting is too weak so
1 Awakening
5tincturing
1 MO (allows 90% of recipes currently, this will change, this one is easiest one to cap at highe levels to be useful)
5 Roasting
Whatever
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>>124080272
>>124080302

How does awakening an item for someone else works ? Do you have to trade the item or ?

I'd be willing to do it for free right now, provided you kill the monsters.
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>>124080479
alchemist needs to have the item
that is 2 trades = 2 pot lost. and awake eats 1 pot = 3 pot lost
currently a shit system
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>>124080563
That sounds awful, maybe Appraisers will have a skill that resets the potential - either randomly +/- values, or at the cost of consuming an identical copy of the appraised item.
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https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/going-for-wizard-has-to-many-flaws/100094/73
>Energy Bolt and Earthquake can both use AOE ratio to make them awesome, I got lv20 EQ then realized it was still hitting only 7 targets
Even the strongest of the spells has it's weakness huh

>Reflect shield is useless at late game.

My EQ is not lv10+ and I still use reflect shield. Fuck, I'm so bad at this game
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>>124080989
>lv 20 EQ
????

lv 15 already 1shoots everything

what the holy fuck ! ? ! ?
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>>124077816
Felt the same.
Gets better when you use a Sword for Slash in AA and Double Punch for plate mobs and have the lv.30 attribute.
Still, almost the same damage with AA on "neutral" mobs (ie. leather).
If I ever make a cleric again, I will get Krivis on rank 5 or Dievdirby idk.
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>>124081545
Is krivis really that good? Lithuanian bias much?
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>>124079269
>tfw only spent more than 10min only once and the summon killed everything
fuck ignition

Hint: dont even try awakening bracelets and necklaces, they are bugged and dont give any bonus at all
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bow size penalty equal to zero at +10 right?
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>>124081890
I've always been curious about this is there really a size penalty or is it just for bows and not crossbows?
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>>124081890
Nope. Its -4% on Large 2% on medium per upgrade.
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>>124082024

It's for missile type damage, so it applies for basically everything archers do.
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>>124081690
Not him, but I'm partying with all kinds of classes 10 levels above me and I'm still the top dps and the healer of the party as a Krivis. Its honestly stronger than barbarian, at least on early levels.
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>>124079952
Not practical, requires they get more than one point in awakening, and they're required to enter the dungeon anyway.
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>>124082131
I've leveled 2 archer types and there weren't really big jumps in damage even while I was using +5 most of the time
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>>124082110
annoying

bosses having 50% reduction to missile on top of that is gay as shit
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>>124080381
briquetting is in this awkward state because it's not gonna be good unless you get 15 ranks in it. i really like the idea of it, but the cost involved in using it is astronomical.

with that in mind, it's not so bad that awakening and MO are low point investments. frees up more points in later circles to rank up the scaling skills like briquetting, roasting, and tincturing.

>>124081813
i don't think it's EVERY bracelet and necklace, will need to double check
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>>124082297
Does conqueror work? it gives 28 attack
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>>124082224
you only notice it in boss fights, all monsters outside are small/medium pretty much
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>>124082384
never tried conqueror. i know elektus, bracelet of linne, and ronesa's iron whatever are broken, but people seem to have had success with plants bracelet? i've awakened a few wiz bracelets too but never checked if it was working.

unrelated: what the fuck is with captcha and its street sign fetish
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>>124079439
Or if there was an npc in the end that allows anyone inside to awake one item.
That way, there would be no need to trade and lose potential and more reason to level up to 5. Also, that shit doesn't need to be expensive as fuck, neither boring.
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>>124082590
wiz bracelet does not work
the 8 AoE ratio neck also does not work

i guess its all
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who are the shout retards in tos? finjer looks like one of them and i know theres kada in one of the other servers.
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I haven't played since the end of second week, was anything FIXED at all? On a side note, please tell me wizards stopped being absolute trash and monkeys stopped farming all 140 maps
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l15b0J9Qdmo

Oh my fucking god, are you kidding me? I had no idea you could get your zombies to move this fast...how is this not totally broken-tier good?
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>>124081690
Zalcial and Daino are good.
Also, Zaibas helps in some way if you use a weapon with magic attack (blunt or magic sword).
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>>124082916
But what do you do after Prison?
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>>124082963
templeshooter class might just be in trouble of turning to something else. JOB CHANGE!
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>>124083032
go Druid I guess? Or could you literally make a Bokor c3 as a money-making account grinding Prison all day?
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so i started my cryo/linker build, currently 58ish. cryo was an easy solo up to the 30s and linker came just in time as i felt my damage slipping. got my hands on an ice rod and lv6 ice pike is pretty sweet with the linker combo.

but holy shit i have no SP ever. like i know this is a common complaint, but with pyro all i ever really had to cast was flame ground and enchant fire (i didn't level fireball) so SP management was easy, but my cryo is so poor right now from chugging SP pots like jello shots. i put a few points into SPR and i can feel it helping a bit, so hopefully the SP pool will scale out in the end.

few runs of the dungeon and it's a quick shot to rank4, so i'll be able to get some numbers on the electrocute wombo soon
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>>124083106
You could make way more at the level 190+ maps because of the recipes you can get and the big mobs drop a lot of silver.
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>>124082820
Ober something I have him blocked.
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>>124082297
My point is that for a productionc lass you should be forced to make some choices there.

There should be 2-3 choices that can lead you to some decent profits, not 1 that is great profit and utilizing any of the subpar skills to level being... poorshit.
As it stands right now
Awakening - 1~5
Magnum Opus 1~15 (Will depend on new recipes almost entirely)
Tincturing - 15
Briquetting - 0 OR 15 No point if you don't go all in.
Gem Roasting - 10 OR 15
Dig - Trash
Combustion - Trash

So let's go with C1 Alchemist:
5 Tincturing
5 Gem Roasting
--- 5 Left over
2 Awakening (Nothing so far requires more than 2 people, the 2nd slot is just for being lazy and letting your customer do it as well as selling adventure journal points)
--- 3 Left over
1 Dig (If dig becomes useful for MO thiswill be key if not it's trash)
1 MO
--- 1 Left over
Put it wherever.

At most you're making the choice to drop Awakening , Dig and MO for Briquetting.
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>>124083318
youre the only production class at rank 6 probably the reason for the limited choices
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>>124082916
>16 fps

So the Korean version suffers from the same piss poor performance as ours.
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>>124083216
>pyro without balls
did you copy&paste this text from a forum post ?

if not. please leave this general and never come back
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>>124083420
Its probably the maps itself, try playing on high and low theres literally no difference except for a couple of shiny things
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>>124083260
ughhh...I'm having such a hard time coming up with a main account build. Do you really think cleric>krivis>bokor3>druid will be useless after Prison? Even once something like Witch Doctor comes out?

I like Bokor a lot but I want to put time into something that will actually be useful in the later stages of the game. I thought having Cleric healing and Krivis buffing while being Druid would make me look attractive for parties
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>>124083512
i don't have linker either, does that trigger you anon?
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How can we fix Armor Maintenance?
+10def on tops/pants is nothing and requires a lv.10.
+3def per level would mean something at least. It's a temporary buff that only exists in town. Why it's so bad?
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>>124083697
Honestly being able to heal people makes you good enough at all points in the game. The whole Cleric tree is underwhelming so go whatever the fuck you want and hope that things will be better next beta.
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>>124083318
You can give up gem roasting for briquetting, but still at most you're choosing between these two. Maybe we'll see in C2 how the choice comes into play, because even then you'll have

10 Tincturing
2 Awakening
-- 12/30 18 left
Now because they're all or nothing you ahve to choose between Gem Roasting or Briquetting
10 Briquetting OR 10 Gem Roasting
-- 8 Left (Either GR or Briq isuseless if not maxed out)
5 WhateverWeGetC2
-- 3 Left
1 Dig
1 MO
-- 1 Left over

>>124083418
What I mean is that it needs to be limited even heavier.
Give awakening something else that scales on level like difficulty of awakenings possible, forcing it to take those 3 left over points.

By forcing alchemist into making tougher decisions and requiring more point drain you can then effectively give them skill gems which creates a proper competition between alchemists.
Do I go
4Tincturing
4Briquetting
4GemRoasting
3Awakening
and use Gems to 5 them all? etc
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>>124062217
>be oracle
>randomly duel some faggot
>death sentence his bitch ass
>walk around until he finally "wins" the duel

>death sentence stays on him even after the duel ends
>dying by death sentence causes you not to be able to revive
>he had a couple monster gems on him
>couldnt get them back

I smiled so hard
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>>124083749
link is great but not required. balls are what makes a pyro
but its ok, do shit builds as much as u want. but dont blog about that crap here pls
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>>124083796
add magic def in
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>>124083796
Same way weapon shop works, I don't know why it's not that way already

bonus def = k*[equip stars]*[skill level]
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>>124083815
>mfw I keep getting so strung up over what to do once the game releases
>still 6 months of patching rebalancing to go
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>>124083796
Biggest problem is lack of MDEF, MDEF is what's key right now, or some low level of %age mitigation.
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What did they change to overkill? Someone on shout said they changed the xp, is that true? I just know I can't overkill low level mobs anymore
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>>124083829
maybe alchemist magnus opus can increase the chances of refining. that will sell like hotcakes, might explain the +32 ignition floating around or maybe its just an exploit
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>>124084251
Don't see how it could possibly increase chances of refining based on how it works now and there being no refining-style recipe.
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On the server with Brandish, has another one surfaced yet or is it still the one that anon linked?
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This is one of you, isn't it?
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>>124084201
Are you a barb? do your seisms suddenly not do amazing overkills anymore with no change in enemies or equipment?
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>>124084350
i keked
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>>124084361
ranger?
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iobt when?
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>>124084548
next month
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>>124084478
I guess you aren't a barb then. I noticed a sudden and weird drop in overkills the other week, may or may not have anything to do with changing from barb to squire.
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>>124084548
"In six months."
t. my dad that works at IMC
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>>124068935
To be honest, it was pretty funny blowing literally anything EXECPT THOSE FUCKING TREES AND FLYING PUMPKINS FUCK THEM the fuck out with just one zaibas pool as well as one pool 1 shotting a memelander from full hp because of hit stun. Its good but i wish i grabbed some priest so that i had something to do during the 30 second downtime
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>>124084032
>>124084003
>>124084148
>120+ equip has 5 stars+
>+ 50 def/mdef on top+pant
>+100 extra defense for 1 hour
Almost a mandatory buff, that shit would be nice.
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>>124084345
it is literally the only brandish in the game
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>>124084693
I want to say its a level difference but I'm not so sure since I used to be able to overkill them despite being 100 levels over.
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>>124068834
where do you get these numbers from? I wanna know more stats..
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>>124084901
but we already got paladin for that and pardoners, of course theyre like haleys comet that only comes out every 75 years but hey they are still there
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>>124084871
>FLYING PUMPKINS FUCK THEM
You mean the ones in tylas monastery?

>mfw I'm a sapper and had to kill all of those fliers in those "instanced swarm" quests
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>>124084548
Only when people stop wizmemeing
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>>124085064
maybe someone who doesn't go to 4chan has one
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>>124085220
Can you jew the paladin and pardoner mdef buff?
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>>124085243
Literally an hour of my life i cant get back just simply running in circles watching these pumpkins take 1/3d their hp in 2 zaibus pools.

Just 2 pumpkins, level 15 zaibas, thats 38 attacks, 1/3 of their hp each and there were like 16 and then 10 of them.

Fuck them

Also, on that character, i was too high a level before the demon prison grind was posted so i was already fucked with using all my cards so i had been 10 levels under that monastary too.

Just fukc that place and the 2nd demon prison can fuck itself too.
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So, for critical rate it is supposed to be 233 for 100% against something with 0 critical resistance? Would this then mean that it is useless to go with a dex build for the first like, maybe 100~120 levels as I wouldn't have enough critical rate for it to be worth it?

Or would I be getting a lot of criticals against low levels mobs even if my critical rate is like 70 or so?
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>>124085509
Nope, neither are craft-able
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>>124085220
Well my biggest problem is if I can't get pardoner MDEF on a scroll I don't care, furthermore a scroll version would use MY SPR thus lose most of it's use. Pardoners are too rare and with a party limit of only 5 (Seriously why isn't it 6 like standard games, fuck), it really leaves me finding it hard to have space for a pardoner in my party if I even find one, a paladin is also pretty rare.
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>>124085721
welp there goes my obt jewing strategy
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>>124085578
demon prison f2 was quite easy to grind, but I really could solo at 2nd demon prison at all, I had to party there because those trees are too goddamn sturdy
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>>124084548
Hopefully not for at least a few months so imc can catch up on the bugs they themselves caused

>>124085865
Want a secret larceny build?

Cleric > Priest2 > Krivis1 > Pardoner > Oracle

Find someone with monster gems or high level gems. Duel them, hit them with death sentence and tell them to pay up and you will cleanse it.

Death sentence stays on you after the duel is done regardless of if you won or not. The death from it is one of those bugged permanent deaths that kills you and forces you to warp or relog to revive again. Also, it drops your gems like a normal death does. Only pardoner's indulgentia has a high enough cure level to cleanse it too. Regular Cure doesnt clear it at all.
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>>124086117
One, you can change channel or log out to prevent dying and two, you can use an icoin
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>>124086650
You cannot still use an icoin. It literally gives you the dead without popping up the window bug.

Yes, you can log out but chances are, the idiots wont think anything of it, the first time
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How many % does the 175 dungeon usually give?
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>>124083829
i dunno, i do see your point, and i do agree that awakening should have some better reason to level it up. i think though there's more things to consider in terms of the environment past rank6. i suspect they'll split the current c1 skills into further alch circles, so c1 might not even HAVE awakening/magnum opus. if that happens, it'll definitely drop the number of people offering awakenings since it's no long an easy one point, it's a whole class rank investment.

here's the thing right now. tincturing and gem roasting have a lot of "competition" because
1) everyone can get the same ranks in them
2) they require minimal effort on the alchemist's part
what this means is that anyone can freely tank the price of potions/roasting and there's nothing anyone else can do about it. this is pretty "fake" competition.

but once alch c2 comes around, things change. i don't think gem roast will be an all-or-nothing skill, because let's face it, what percentage of players do you think will level a gem to 10 stars? even if lv10 gem roast exists, a decent market for lv5 roasters will remain because of how "easy" it is to get a gem to lv5.

furthermore, because lv10 gem roast requires alch c2, it's reasonable to expect that some players may just dip one class rank into alch and move onto other classes for rank 7. naturally this means fewer alch c2s than alch c1s, which allows lv10 roasters to charge higher prices for "better" roasting. the "tough decision" here is what you do with your entire rank 7 class choice.

of course, this doesn't solve the second point, and people can still tank the market if they wanted, but that's a fundamental risk of such a zero effort service.
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>>124085136
Yeah, that's exactly my thing. I levelled from 80-115 in kateen forest on bushspiders and old kepas, easily netting 20k+ per group with overkills varying between 150-255%. When I changed to squire I could no longer overkill them to even 150%, so I went back out and tried to kill panto archers. Highest overkill I managed was 136% on something 96 levels lower than me
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>>124086117
I'm going this build just to grief the shiteaters who spam duels.
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>>124087094
between 80% (or+) and 0%
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>>124085578
>>124085243
>Flying Pumpkin Monsters

Even with Growling, it still killed me a handful of times in that quest.

Don't you just love those quests that swarm you with OP mobs, such as Lizardman Magician and Hallowventer Shamans?
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>>124087336
Ah, right thanks I forgot that they might just actually move some stuff over to circle 2. Moving awakening there would be pretty okay in my book.

Would definitely make alchemists more of an investment class, which I definitely don't mind making the investment for personally.
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>>124087912
Did you end up liking falconer in the end?
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>>124087336
>lv10 gem
youd be suprised I actually don't see the game being DOA as most people say
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>>124088173
See
>>124060703
>>124061279
>>124061345
for details.

Overall, there is no way Falconer can be good at its current state. Long cooldowns, hard to use, low synergy with my Hunter circles.

If skills had reasonable cooldowns and/or Overheat, the Falcon auto-attacked in the same manner as the Velhider does, and they fixed the problem of companion's levels not keeping up with players's, I could see it becoming top tier.
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>>124088707
>After using any of the skills, the bird will fly off into the horizon and not come back

this is how I imagined what happened
>Falcon flys off on the horizon
>"wait comeback I have foo-, oh wait"
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>>124088951

Nerf when?
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Any magical knight style build around? I want to obliterate people with spells and still deal decent melee damage. Preferably something with Krivis.
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>>124089060
krivis into paladin

use conviction to boost your zaibas damage to silly levels
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>>124089004
That's basically right. After ordering it to attack an enemy, it will just go like "My work here is done...." and fly off.
>>
What's the range you can be in before a party member starts crippling your exp in a dungeon?
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>>124088186
well right, but seeing as it costs three and a half monster gems just to get a single lv6 gem there are gonna be waaay more people with lv5 gems than lv10.
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>>124079113
I'm bokor 3>druid and the only bokor skill you have for bossing is hexing.
In fact I completely reskilled myself out of zombies since a single ranged unit makes them useless.
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>>124088951
85 attribute
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>>124089027
>>124088951

This meme was never funny, stop forcing it
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>>124089215
>>124088186
>>124087336
monster gems not tradeable next beta/OB

not everyone will have full L5 gems like now
barely anyone L6 or more. maybe some cash shop p2w níggers
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>>124089183

20
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>>124089110
Cool, thanks. So its cleric>krivis c2>paladin c3? Is paladin really worth it without priest?
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>>124089378
well shit then disregard the lvl 10 comment
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>>124088707
I don't know, falconer is growing on me, strangely. Hovering with the attack speed + all duration attributes hits like 9 times or more in the 19 seconds it's active, I can just leave the falcon attacking that mob that's being pretty much stunlocked and focus on the others. Hanging shot is so fun and kinda useful to avoid melees with a broom active, also to run from a tight situation/move around the map faster. The knockback on hovering and pheasant, the latter having a great AoE, are useful for giving you a breather in a tight situation, giving you time to use another skill. I've yet to test what the fuck that circling attribute does.

Overall it's been fun, but it really needs some buffs and fixes here and there, with those it could indeed be very strong. I really fucking wish the falcon auto attacked.
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>>124089378
naw, I reached a level 5 gem by just feeding it trash not items by 80-90 i don't remember
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>>124089378
>níggers
is nigger filtered?
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>>124089851
I mean feeding it items not equipment and that was 2x rates.
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So I'm more or less stuck at 185. I've got my daily 175 dungeon runs to do and more, buto ther than that I've only got a few quests left that I can do (All 10 levels above me).

Where's a good spot to grind? I tried anchors and wasn't impressed, at least the spot at Roxona West in the bottom, wasn't even 1mil exp/hr camping all the spawns with fireballs, am I missing something here?

If that doesn't work I fear I'll have to go to Minos or one of the other areas in that split.
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I've shared kissu with a sorceress, a few linkers, a barbarian and a cleric so far. How am I doing for the beta?
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>>124089851
feeding gems to L6 L7 will be pain in butts
>>124089963
never know these days. mods are fags
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>>124090192
Roxona Market
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>>124090192

Did you save cards? How did you end up like this?
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>>124090265
Is the experience good? I heard the gold was great and I do remember getting good money there but I only stayed long enough to do the quests.
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>>124090192
solo the 175 dung and you will be 186+
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>>124090337
I think you're stuck with 2 million exp/hr no matter where you go at this point
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>>124090237
If you haven't kissed a male Monk or a Schwarze Reiter then you haven't gotten far.
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>>124090315
I did, I used cards at 163 as calculator stated it would get me to 173, and indeed it took me to 174 actually. Problem is while it was enough then to get me to the '175 promised land' a lot of people talked about, it slumped afterwards and I've been pretty much doing quests as soon as I can instead of closer to their level

>>124090360
That's probably what I'm going to have to do in a few hours when I can spare the concentration to do it without interruption.
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>>124090265
what class are you
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>>124090237
Be glad. I haven't kissu'd yet.

I am probably going to end up like my real-life counterpart....
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That's hilarious - one of the mobs in the awakening dungeon dropped a level 1 shield.

I assume it's a bug, but still.
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>>124090805
I learned a lot things because of those red boxes you should to
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>>124090819
some mobs (not just in the awakening dungeon) still have their auxiliary data as kepas. i've gotten 2-3 kepa dolls in the awakening dungeon and a bunch of kepa stems
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>>124089236
do you think it's still a good idea to go bokor3 to rush through the grind of demon prison? Maybe druid into like Witch Doc will be good lategame on release?
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>>124091058
Earlygame, you should get as much utility as possible, since damage falls off, but utility does not.

That said, you do need at least one class pick into DPS, else you'll never even make it to the later parts of the game. That's where popular classes such as Barbarian come in.
>>
does swell and reincarnate work on a white mob?
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>>124090805
The fuck is that?
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>>124091628
that's a motherfucking wendigo searcher. enjoy 5 of them appearing and hitting you for all of your health in the span of a second and a half.
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>>124072373
How do you do this? I want to test rodo c3 before the beta ends but I don't think I can make it with those elitist parties looking for linkers and barbladers.
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>>124093168
Yeah I kind of want to do some necromancer tests myself, but I don't wnt to be h-h-hhacker
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>>124091573
Yes but the effects of being a white/gold/blue mob are just buffs, the monster wont with those effects.
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>>124093465
what about swell>reincarnate>backmask?
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Just exploded 20m breaking my equips on purpose, useless attributes and literal expensive trash. I can't decide myself a new class to test this last week, so I'm just going out.

Until next beta, /vg/
I feel a little bad inside because I should just give everything to someone from /tosg/, but oh well, whatever.
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>>124093580
No
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This might be old news but I listed the Magnum Opus puzzles in human readable format. The few worthwhile recipes are made with items that can't be found. If you want a gold bar hat I can make you one with 6 gold bars, but that's pretty much it.

http://pastebin.com/XQEYMF7b
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>>124093109
I know what they are, I've been through that map twice. What's up with the red aura though? Is it just a graphical glitch?
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>>124093717
this makes the alche the best jew class then
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>>124093717
I'd like a butter hat where are you at?
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>>124082705
Superior Ritual Necklace and Magic also don't.
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So my primary damage skill scales with matk, but doesn't proc dagger, and I can't use a staff.
Is there anything better than an awakened dagger for my offhand?
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>>124093717
mfw I did this over a week ago in a simpler way
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For a Sadhu is the awakened memeset with elder rod still the best or are there better blunt weapons?
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>>124094219
Sadhu shouldn't be using a rod, I think it was maces you were after but I don't remember exactly there's some hidden bonus though.
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>>124093717
>http://pastebin.com/XQEYMF7b
Recipe 'ALC_155' makes [misc_anchor DIC_NOT_FOUND]
makes anchor?
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>>124093696
Just give them to me ABKM.
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>>124084350
15/15
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>>124094602
Yup
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>>124093717
meeh, some money making but no OP shit.
really dont care about shekels at this point of beta anymore

thx tho
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>>124085317
so, never?
wiz class and its branch is just one big meme full of noobtraps
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>>124090805

>tfw wendigo searchers are better archers than all archer classes in the game

wendigo searcher class when?
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>>124094118
Yeah I admit it's not big news, I just like to share.

If anyone cares, this is the script that generates the list. I doubt they'll add more recipes before beta ends though.

http://pastebin.com/vDLezJqi

>>124093973
If you trust me with 6 gold bars I'm at the Ch1 Klaipeda statue.

>>124094602
For some reason it didn't get translated, it's this thing. http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/645611/
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>>124087094
About one level if duoing.
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I hope the one crashing boss channels in gabija isnt one of you.
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https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/how-to-report-a-pedophile-in-the-game/108181

Is this one of you? Fuck this is some genius level trolling right here, kinda mad I didn't come up with it.
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>>124095306
You're thinking of Tanu Flower, Tama Leaf is like 50% droprate trash.
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>>124091058
On release I would go kriv>bokor2>kriv2>druid
since zaibas is one of the best spells in game
And take just enough zombify and bwa kayima to grind past demon prison.
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>>124094994
Are you still at the statue?
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>>124095427
Yeah I noticed. My bad
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>>124083796
The problem i see with this is the buff speed as well
>tfw you have 3 items to buff and it takes over 1min of ur life just to see hammering animatin
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>>124096181
wow one whole minute

Oh boy.
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>>124096181
Animations in general are way toofucking long, especially with a lot of bugs that sometimes cause them to fail.

>Fireball mob
>Animation long as shit can't move
>No firbeall comes out
O-Okay
>Hangman runs out
>Finally cast fireball after third try
>Get sauceyanused from mobs hitting me

This shit happens like 2/10 times with fire pillar too.

That said, animations are way too long in most cases, at the very least for a lot of them I see animation length being a larger problem in lategame, more so than cooldowns. If I'm rank 8 and my r7/8 skills animations are already taking up between their rotation even for cast and forget skills like 10seconds+ that's just not okay.

I'd be okay with a stat like SPR helping animation times

>>124096498
One minute every hour is a lot of time anon. 1/60th of your playtime would be conquered
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hi

are you guys playing tos
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>decides to make a fencer
>oh look, an orange rapier +2 to all fencer skills, Venier
>recipe needs 12 Fossilized Lizard Amber
>1% drop chance from Upent
>there are only like 5 on the map and they have a 1 minute respawn rate

>remember that there is a quest where you have to kill 4 upents
>make a new char to reach that quest
>kill the 4 upents
>repeat several times
>they don't drop anything

Well, I guess it was at least a nice try. I will never get this weapon.
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>>124096559
>One minute every hour is a lot of time anon. 1/60th of your playtime would be conquered
there's a foolproof way to skip the animation
alt-tabbing to browse
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>>124096857
At least you have a fucking level 170 red weapon. Not only that its actually fucking good.

>hurr I have to work for it
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>>124096857
I actually was farming the ambers the other day, it can be demoralizing for sure. Got 3 in about ~2 hours or so camping them without another person fighting for the spot.

Just go between those two areas. Sometimes a southern Upent will spawn a little to the right in a nook, so if you don't hear it spawn in the regular areas check there.
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>>124097092
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>>124095857
>Duel my barb/doppel friend as krivis/sadhu/druid
>Cast 2x Zaibas and Cure when he is nowhere near me
>Wtf bro you missed so bad did you really think I'll walk into that?
>Mindcontrol him and walk him into it
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>>124097864
swordies are the weakest duel class you can beat them by just using your cleric spells
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>>124097561

Thank you dear anon, I will try this.
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Finally.
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>>124097864
When a random duels me, I always cast zaibas behind my back first before accepting. Since telepath has a fucking huge AoE in front, it doesn't matter if he tries to run.
>>
This game needs a lot more costumes. My whole motivation to level is to get my character /cute/ enough to be kissed.
>>
>>124098587
>tfw thinking about picking Chronomancer just for the costume
suffering
>>
>>124098587
It will since costume item slot is a thing, but youd need to hand over some shekels for it.
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>>124098453
has anyone actually tried jumping to dodge that shit
>>
>>124098951
Zaibas hits flyingyou fucking inbred
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>>124099103
He meant telepath.
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>>124099103
but has anybody tried jumping away from it dont fucking post if you havent tried it
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>>124099208
Yes because I always bunny hop
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>>124099208
You can jump away from zaibas, you can't control your character during telepath.
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>>124098587
You're already cute. As long as you're female I'd gladly take your first kiss.
>>
Any cleric c3 here? How does guardian saint work?
>>
>>124093717
>tfw you were doing it

Thanks anon
>>
>>124096857
How do you even get the recipe for the damn thing? I've collected a bunch of ambers but I haven't been able to get the recipe yet.
>>
>>124100425
The candles at Underground Grave of Ritinis drop the recipe
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>>124100484
Nah
>>
>>124100484
looks gay. nah
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>>124100484
Fuck you
>>
>>124096857
thats weird, the Upent from the quest usually dropped Upent Bark for me so they should probably drop amber. Or is that bark scripted?
>>
So what was that linking all about

Also apart from C3 r1 classes is there anything that's 100% dogshit for getting C3 in (moreso than the class itself)
>>
>>124102723
I'm testing Cleric c3. Will probably go Cleric c3>priest c2> oracle
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>>124102879
christ
>>
>>124102879
You're a brave guy
>>
>>124102723
>Not having 4chanX
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>>124103028
I do and I was around, but why did they link it? What kinda help etc
>>
For the magnum opus recipes, will it do multiple at once, like if you put in 20 trash in each slot will it spit out 20 of the result?
>>
>>124101895

I killed like 30 and didn't get a single drop, maybe I was super unlucky but I considered that not even getting the 20% loot meant they didn't drop anything at all. I will try again, see if anything changes.
>>
>>124099298
>>124099154
even items? if it works on items cant dispeller work
>>
>istora Ruins

is this the money map? this hallowventer magician is easy to kill, but the shaman is a pain in the ass
>>
>>124103261
You cant dispel telepath/hexing
>>
>Gotta collect dew to fix the issue no one else has the decency to fix
>Get hit by sleeping gas instead
>>
>>124103336
seems kinda broken, there should be some hard counter somewhere
>>
>>124103336
high con, high int, high spr? Some lesser known skills maybe
>>
>>124102879

lol

Oracle is so shit. Why is it a c6 class?
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>be the Savior of the god damn world
>someone tells me to build him a fence
okay
>>
>>124103336
I get how it works, thanks
>>
Can anyone on here please post a screenshot of the top people who killed Shtayin from their servers? Specifically Saule, Gabija and Laima.

I would check myself but I don't have level 80+ characters in those servers.
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Is accepting a kiss from a peltasta immoral?
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>>124104128
>Not getting forced into a kiss
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>>124103152
No, which is one of the reasons it's shit.
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>>124103943
Saving the world one fence post at a time.
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>>124104114
Gabija. The brandish guy is always in my party cause he's bosshunting with me.
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>>124103943
>be the Savior of the god damn world
>Release demons and poison villages because they offer you dru- cards.
>>
>>124104391
I still get confused about why I do quests where I help farmers start a rebellion against the Baron, and then in the next god damn map, I help the Baron
>>
>>124096857
>reach upent quest
>kill 4 upents
>leave at least one banshee alive
>abandon quest
>repeat
>???
>>
>>124104468
You want those EXP cards don't you?
>>
>>124104202
>>124104128
>Paula Pasta uses her swash buckling
>suddenly, an urge pulses in my nether regions
>I try to resist, but the more I resist the wetter I become
>as I slowly inch towards her, trying my best to get away, I cum as our lips meet
If I could write well in English, I'd writefag the shit out of this
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>>124104370
Thanks. Looks like I have some massive work ahead of me.
>>
>>124104370
>>124104813
Didn't notice the brandish guy is no.2
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>>124104813
>beta ends in week
wooo, you go gurl
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>>124104114
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>>124104913
I'm at 2k already
>>124104880
Oh jesus. I hope the rank 1 person got one at least too.
>>
>>124105037
I think I heard brandish guy say Seria hasn't gotten one yet.
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>>124104617

That is what I did, but they don't drop anything.
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>>124105104
That is some disgusting news.
>>
Now that I learned that Monk are shit in every aspect, what should I with my Krivis C3?
Krivis>Sadhu>Druid?
How does blessing and sacrament work with OOB?
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There are so many classes based on X country, that is a matter on time until a class based on Brazil appear. How it would be, /tosg/?
Let's imagine!
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>>124104880
>no.1 8k without brandish
>no.2 2k with brandish
Looks like RNGesus answered his prayers.
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>>124105686
He actually bought it from a guy that spent only 4 hours grinding there.
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>>124105791
wait how many of those spears are on Gab?
>>
If you could move a skill from a class to another (regardless of circle), which one would it be ?

Hard mode : No Swashbuckling or Earthquake 15
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>>124105870
Only that one. There might be someone else with it too.
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>>124105870
He's the only one with it, I think.
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>>124105791
Shit so that means its not even confirmed that shtayim drops it the guy who sold it might just be lying.
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>>124106103
Don't think he was lying. He was a lvl 80 guy that was just simply grinding there.
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how high can gems go
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>>124106190
PRAISE RNGESUS!! Finally some confirmation on brandish.
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>>124106325
>gem
level 10 same as cards.
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>>124106417
that sucks, i was hoping they would be infinite.
>>
>>124106528
10 is what's currently in the files, that's not to say they won't add more.
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>>124105503
Capoerist

Your character turns black, wear nothing but white pants, kicks, but never actually hits anything.
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>>124106629
If that shit gets any higher I'm afraid that a cash shop will just ruin this game
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>>124106823
what happens IMC is literally a jewlord of a developer we have no way of knowing they are not
>>
>>124106325
where did you get all of that abrasive?
>>
>>124106325

where the hell u got these abrasives?


also star amulet. this shit is only for ranking purposes, right?
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>>124045980
>https://goo gl/AvsxB4

On the topic of gems, does anyone want to fill in the rest of the information or unlock it so I can edit?
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>>124108075

>>124108075

>>124108075

new
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>>124107859
You do realize you're doing this for no reason and that information is in the files, right?

http://paste ee/p/p6I77
http://paste ee/p/HALUM

Furthermore it's also on the wiki, sameway datamined.
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>>124105925
Joint penalty or blessing to anyone
I don't know all the skills so there are probably better choices
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>>124108198
Yeah, exactly, but I'm sure some people are still using the spreadsheets, which someone took the effort to make. Forgive me for trying to make information more readily available.
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>>124108594
That's fine, just thought you should know, in that case use the data I provided there in those links to further your work.
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>>124099920
its shit, I didnt take it.
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