https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQO GYoVieVk

mithra > miqo'te

>>389336609
I missed out on this game during its prime. Is it still active or have most people moved onto the sequel like what happened to Guild Wars?

>>389337313
It's still active enough, but everything has been so streamlined that you will run into a brick wall really fast and the only things left to do will be autistically grind for money to make an ultimate weapon or fight a small handful of end game enemies for marginally better gear that, in my opinion, wasn't worth the time investment anymore since the power creep really slows down at that point.

>>389337313

still gets monthly updates despite being dead.

asura is the most active NA population with around 2400+ players online 24/7.

there's even a /v/ linkshell full of degen faggots but since i don't know how to make a discord link i can't provide you with it atm

>>389337569
>>389337442
Thanks, I'll have a look at XIV online.

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>>389338034
WRONG GAME FRIEND

>>389336609
getting Crystal Chronicles vibes from this

>>389338103
What do you mean?

>>389338034
No, no, don't do that. A once good game now stagnating is still a better choice than something that is pure shit by design!

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>>389338432
I mean this thread is about FFXI

>>389338550
You ALSO mean that 14 is a very bad game, don't you? Come on, you really ought to be doing your part to help stop this poor sod from both wasting money and having a very bad time.

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>>389338660
fuck off XIV shills this thread is for mithras only

I came back to the game last month, surprised how many erp sluts there are on asura.

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I don't think I enjoyed any Final Fantasy game I've played as much as I enjoyed FFXI.

The setting, the characters, the storylines, and even the little backstory pieces that were meant as foreshadowing for future expansions that never happened all pulled me in like crazy.

Ever since they made it easier to run through the game on your own, I've been doing this thing where I'd make a new character and explore the world.

I've got tons of screencaps now, stored away on an external, that's just me doing tons of silly things with people I met while playing these new characters.

But alas, I must bring conflict with me.

Elvaans > Mithra.

>>389336609
The guy who draws those fit ffXI catgirl doujins is a godsend

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>ywn spend 7 hours fighting back to back to back to back to back besiegeds on toau launch on a work night to protect glorious mithra general waifu and teleportaru ever again
>ywn give jewlord naja salaheem a backrub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrejacQVb3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlRg6yghSo&feature=youtu.be&t=38

>>389338502
>A once good game now stagnating is still a better choice than something that is pure shit by design!
He said he was going to try out XIV, not XI.

>>389340065
teleportaru and mihli are canon

https://exhentai.org/g/258598/6b59689b5e/

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>a level 15 dungeon in xiv has more mechanics and challenge than any ffxi boss which is tank and spank stun moves or stand on dragons feet and auto attack

KEK

>Want to get back into XI
>Every thread is just worst race posting and "MUH XIV BOOGEYMAN"
Are the people who actually play this game this insufferable, or is it just /v/ being /v/?

>>389340065
shoutouts to the one guy on my server I constantly see shouting when a besieged is starting, even in 2017

>>389340312
false flags

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>>389339741
>Elvaans > Mithra
My nigga.

>tfw still play mainly to ERP until my dick falls off
>elvaan female

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>>389340312
If you honestly believe anything on this website at this point you're pretty much the biggest faggot that's ever existed.

FFXI is like 10 bucks for all expansions with a free month. Figure it out yourself.

>>389340351
There's a JP on Leviathan who does that and he is the friendliest guy ever.

I don't play much these days, but he gave me his twitter so we still keep in touch.

He always shows me his Comiket haul and I am always jealous of it.

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>>389340175
I want to PROTECT these smiles

>>389336767
i agree as a xiv player miqo'te just look like lazy cosplayers

i fucking miss playing xi though and often want to pick up the game along with a sub to see whats changed

>>389338753
>shits on 14
>must be shilling it!
Come on, what is with this reverse psychology meme? Unequip your tinfoil hat.

>>389340312
A bit of both, honestly. Anyone left playing is either so god damn new that they struggle to get anything done, or has been playing so long that the game isn't even really a game anymore; it's just how many numbers you can crank out, be it monetarily, or constantly refining your LUA files.

It's a damn shame, I feel like the middleground of the game is really lost. That kind of time where you could play with your friends and just enjoy shit, all while actually getting stuff done because the game didn't need 100 pieces of gear for every job to be played optimally with exterior tools. Gear treadmilling really made the game like any other MMO.

>>389338753
not him but i played both and enjoyed them for what they were/are can't we just have a nice thread that doesn't have to turn into a shit fest?

Square Enix are the most dumbfuck company on the planet, they make two games in the same genre and make them hate each other.

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>>389340684
>bring up XIV in an XI thread
>attempt sarcasm
>fail because sarcasm doesn't carry well over text

maybe next time you'll get it right.

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>>389340312
>>389340740
Oh, I got so sidetracked that I never made my point. Most people left playing are insufferable cunts because of that. The most populated NA server is literally full of Reddit and their level of 'le snark and elitism.' It's so rare to find someone who is just chill still playing and not a total sperg.

Have an elf for your troubles.

>>389340517
I never spoke to him much since I think he's JP too, but I'd always /wave or /bow whenever I saw him in Whitegate. Haven't played since the start of the year, so I wonder if he's still going.

>>389336609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFfWB7sirrU

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so tell me bros is this game worth coming back to? i played it way back in high school for about half a year but had to quit cause time and the fact that my old man didn't want to pay for it anymore, i've been playing xiv for a good long while and even played a bit of 1.0 but xiv still feels like it's missing something xi had

>>389341302
Probably not. It's different from way back in high school. Of course, you could sub for a month or two and do all the plot related shit and drop it.

>>389340852
Hang about, are you claiming what I said was sarcasm? It was not. I am 100% serious when I say it is a moral obligation to steer people away from the cancer that is 14.

>>389340684
>Unequip your tinfoil hat.
XIfags are literally incapable of doing this. Every post that isn't of a generic cat slut must be some horrible XIV false flag, or XIV shilling.

Even /vg/ has less easily triggered faggots.

>>389340914
>It's so rare to find someone who is just chill still playing and not a total sperg.
Play with the Japanese players.

Yes, I realize this is ironic considering a lot of servers had terrible relationships between the Japanese-speaking player and the English-speaking players, but they've sorta had a situation where a lot of the insufferable JP ONLY cunts have left.

For the most part, they're chill. A lot of them speak passable English, and auto-translate will fill in anything you need to do gameplay-wise.

They also make for amazing pals if you're into anime, manga, or video games as many of them are NEETs who spend all their time either playing FFXI or consuming the latest media.

All you need to do is ask them if they know who Buront is and you're in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u837qfztvoY

Buront always makes them laugh.

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>>389341538
idk bro, i get what you're going for but poor execution and bad timing

>>389336609
my repressed furry childhood still lingers fuck

>>389341480
i think i might do that where would be the cheapest place to get it now and is play online still a bitch to set up?

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>>389341302
FFXI these days is a lot different. If you have to start over with a new char, you're likely gonna solo most of the game up until 99 and then some, unless you play with some friends or find a nice LS.

Then if you want to get serious with the endgame, you're going to have to do a shitton of research, analysis of fights, learning the current meta of used jobs, and learning how to setup LUA files to actually play correctly. It's not how it used to be, you absolutely need to make use of windower and its addons to effectively play now.

So if you're into a challenge and a bit of light coding, knock yourself out.

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>>389340740
>the middleground of the game is really lost
Yeah, this is the major difference community wise from its heyday.

>>389340291

Having played it recently, FFXIV is such a mess in design.
I thought people were exaggerating, but it really has been designed as a one player game pasted on a MMO subscription model.
Fascinating but but very depressing to look at - though not as much as seeing the way they gutted FFXI with their so-called "QoL" changes.

And yeah, I miss old FFXI so much it's not even funny.

>>389342158
i would honestly be more of a casual player but im not even sure if the game would still be great for that, i know about the trust system but honestly the game just wouldn't feel the same without gathering a small group together just to go bop a few rabbits outside of the city gates

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>>389342061
I think their site generally is still the best place to buy it. If you can wait a bit, they often hold campaigns every few months to put it on discount.

POL is more or less in the game in name only. They dropped it as a service, but the game can't be separated from it in the code, so it does still launch via POL viewer. That said, the entire account process I believe is done on the SE website now.

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>>389342407
Well, you're not gonna get that for leveling. Once you get a 99 char though, there's still plenty of lowman stuff that you can do with a few friends. There's also a new endgame EXP system called capacity points, pretty much makes people form merit parties again. So at least in some capacity (heh) the game features groups of people out grinding on mobs in dungeons.

>Literal sex objects.

>>389341302
>so tell me bros is this game worth coming back to?

Depends on why you liked FFXI, and your player profile.
Might be worth it if only for seeing all the content you didn't manage when the game was in its prime.
Overall I'd say no. Playing it back now is like visiting your favorite part of town once it's been defaced by a mall, with just enough left of what you used to love to make it hurt.

>>389342412
>>389342508
alright thanks for the info im still a bit undecided if i want to buy the game just to mess around for a month or two though

also post more elvaan

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>>389342676
Will do champ. Also if you want to play with a bunch of JP, make a char on Odin; if you want to play with a bunch of NA, make a char on Asura. Not sure that there's a healthy middleground out there, just a ton of empty servers save for a few.

>>389342764
yeah i've heard asura was pretty much where all the americans were playing, also neriwasabi made some pretty ok xi doujins

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>>389342853
Yeah, I've played on both. I started my char back in Odin in 2004, played on it until just this year. There was just too few English speaking people to do stuff with, plus most of my friends quit, so I jumped to Asura. It's basically the polar opposite, NA flooded, a handful of JP. Comes with its own downsides though. A lot of the players are loud, annoying, le reddit tier humor and stuff. Still though, I've got a lot more shit done with this many people around, so it's a double edged sword.

Also, I'd be surprised if an XI doujin exists that I don't have saved somewhere. I'm crazy into XI hentai to this day.

I don't play fulltime, I don't play any mmorpg anymore but I still resub to ffxi a few times a year to play around with it.

Nice to still have an old style mmo instead of all these fucking wow clones we get lately.

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>>389343060
yeah the xi stuff is pretty great, and im honestly not sure why xiv doujins haven't really caught up yet they're hardly any out and the ones that are out dont really get scaned

>>389343060
>A lot of the players are loud, annoying, le reddit tier humor and stuff.
That was the big reason behind me not playing too much on Asura.

I really couldn't handle the non-stop fetish talk supplemented by the latest le monkey face tier meme everyone kept spouting.

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>>389343335
Did you xfer off to another server or just quit? If there was even a medium sized NA player pool somewhere else, I'd gladly leave this place.

>No Mithra races in any other FF game
Oh come on, at least the Bangaa and bunny girls made it into the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance games.

>>389343415
I had made a new character so I could check out Asura.

Needless to say, the environment wasn't pleasing so I just quit.

I used to play on Leviathan with a few friends before, and that server had a decent split between the Japanese and North American players.

An equal amount of players (500~900) were available during all the prime times, as far as I could tell.

>>389343456
if it means anything y'shtola was in the 2nd theatrhythm and shes also in the new dissidia game

SE is open to the idea of adding a lot more characters in from various games too

One of the main reasons I quit playing xiv was due to how much they fucked up the races.

>>389343765
>Miqo'te
It really doesn't mean anything.

>>389344121
yeah i know but hopefully they'll add more xi characters in later

I miss this game so fucking much.

SE ensured I would never play another MMO again. I'm no putting so much of myself in a community and game only to have it all destroyed without recourse by the server owners.

>>389340291
Doesn't xi have that one retardedly difficult boss that involved multiple precision cast weekly spells in perfect conjunction coupled with staggered spell ranks, on top of needing constant interrupt availability or else he'd just full heal himself?
The one that that nobody actually knows the REAL way to beat because the only ways to do so were exploits that got patched, and only later on people could brute force it?

>>389345263
I miss it, too, Anonymous.

What is it about this game and the memories it created?

For all intents and purposes, this was a pretty crappy game. There were a lot of issues with FFXI, it was a giant time sink, and the concept of community was one that had no way of working.

Yet, I honestly miss it. I genuinely miss all the good times and the bad times, the laughs had muttering WUT and RED LIEK FERRARI melded in with the arguments over drops and gear.

Every day I pray for a new game that'll draw me in as much as FFXI did, but I it was definitely a product of the time and I doubt anyone will be able to recreate it.

Especially not with recent trends in online gaming being so centered on "you don't have to spend much time doing things" coupled with "you don't have to actually interact with other players to accomplish things."

>>389345634
Absolute Virtue is what you're thinking about.

But gaming media honestly exaggerated that fight. It was initially conceived as something that wasn't supposed to be beaten by anyone but the best geared and most dedicated of players. In fact, the best geared and most dedicated of players were able to beat it on a semi-consistent level.

The general nature of FFXI was simply geared that way. You had a lot of challenging opponents, even outside of stuff like Absolute Virtue. Go look up Cerberus, Khimaira, or Hydra. Not even bosses, but a lot of the events were geared around making things difficult for the player. They're a shadow of their former selves today, thanks to changed mechanics, but Salvage, Dynamis, and Limbus were really intense endgame events.

>>389340291
>a level 15 dungeon in xiv has more mechanics and challenge than any ffxi boss
Sastasha? Challenge? NIGGER PLEASE. I play xiv and it's just a hallway with bunch of mobs. You can clear it in lvl one gear by just pressing one button, no need to even do your skill combo.

If you want to make "easy leveling ffxiv content is harder than endgame XI"-shitpost at least say something like Aurum Vale or uhhh... Is there any dungeon as hard as Aurum Vale in xiv? Even Hard versions of old dungeons are just reskins.

>>389345965

Whether by design or luck - probably a bit of both - XI was designed to be a world first, and a playground second.
After a while you knew the shop and transport schedules, and if you wanted to go somewhere, you had to plan for it. This in itself made for a feeling of adventure and of belonging to another place. No instant teleport bullshit that turns the whole world in a a UI filter.

Add to that the strictly cooperative necessities to achieve anything, and you had a game that fostered social, even communal play. On that front I found XIV fascinating. People keep saying we're social animals, but remove the necessities to interact with one another from people's lives, and what you have is mostly is a group of barely ever colliding particles that are anything but a community (though I'm probably discounting the fact that FFXIV's design is actually *actively* harmful to socializing too much).

>>389336609
So where's that mobile port?

>>389336767
2nd post best post

>>389345965
>it was definitely a product of the time and I doubt anyone will be able to recreate it.

Another difference I found fascinating about XI and XIV is that XI generated socius, while XIV feeds off existing socius - mostly pre-existing groups or external social media.
And that is definitely a sign of the times. I'm not sure we could get a game like XI anymore as the perimeter of the Huizingan magic circle, so to speak, at least in that respect, has drastically changed.

>>389336609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFfWB7sirrU

>>389346259
>>389345634

Nothing about FFXI (until SE ruined it) was gear based, you could do everything in your basic artifact armor, it all came down to how skilled you were at your job and how well you worked with your fellow players.

To understand why Absolute Virtue was so hard you first need to understand that the game wasn't like other MMOs where you could find out every little detail from datamining and more importantly the devs didn't explain things to the player, it was left up to players to figure everything out. So when you get a megaboss like AV added to a game like that it made for some very tough going, as it turns out there was a very specific method to "locking" his skills so he could be defeated and it just wasn't viable for players to figure it out. He was so difficult and even more annoying to even get to spawn that people just didn't bother.

The only people to kill him until super late in the games lifespan were exploiters, I was in a group that killed the 5th or 6th ever AV when he was released and we didn't exploit, but he still broke somehow.

>>389340602
Id love for it to go F2P.

>>389347556
DOD to focus on more FFXV ports.

>>389346653
Id resub to FFXIV if they remade the world again to make it feel like a living breathing world and not just some background painting you run though.

I think 1.0 had travel right. There was a teleportation system but it was limited while normal means of transportation was planned to be in real time. This gives you quick options if you need to move quick for a fight but any other time you relied on in game transportation.

>>389347881
I miss the shit out of that era. BLM was so fun to play around then, gear really didn't matter if you had your ele staves and some basic stuff.

I still play now, just really casually, and it's a fucking nightmare headache. All your melees need like 1200 accuracy, all the best sets are hundreds of millions of gil to be competitive, mage gearing is a fucking nightmare between fastcast, curing, nuking, enfeebling, buffing etc.

My BLM used to have three sets. A precast with as much FC as I could get my hands on, a midcast with as much INT/magic attack available, and MP resting gear when the MP ran out. I miss that simplicity.

Oddly enough though, I feel like gear is all that can keep the game going as-is. The game is basically a set collecting simulator now. That's all that drives things forward and if they ever stopped adding new gear, the game would die within a year.

>>389347881
>Nothing about FFXI (until SE ruined it) was gear based

I get the point you're trying to get across, but don't over-sell it.
Gear mattered. Just not in the ridiculous way it becomes the defining feature of a character as in so many games.

XI was the kind of game were a point was point, and while that stat difference wasn't the reason why you won a certain fight, it certainly meant the difference between life and death very often.

>>389347893

In its current state, that's probably the only way way I'm willing to go back to it.

>>389348272

Sadly XIV is a mess in design, there's a lot more they would need to address.
But that would be a good step, yeah.

>>389347893
F2P would kill the close knit community feel, which is last thing FFXI has going for it. I'd personally jump back in if it went B2P at 15-30$. That would keep out the BRs while still maintaining a decently sized community.

>>389337569
degenerate faggot here
https://discord.gg/Tsqg52

I play XI on the Era private server. People there are pretty cool and it has a lot of good options. By default the exp rate is x4, but you can choose to play at x1 exp instead if you use mentor mode. If you want to play something similar to classic ffxi, check it out.

>>389348634

My impression was that what remains of those close-knit community cores was the products of years of community driven game, I'm not sure how going F2P would hurt the game anymore, not when it already has "cosmetic" item sales, not when the WoW vertical progression/obsolescence model is tied to it now, and the world has been butchered by teleport everywhere. And so on...

>>389348883

I really want to try and make one of those, just to have the certitude I can always access the world evern after SE shuts down the game.

>>389348529
I enjoyed my 2 years with 2.0, but I feel like 1.23b was on track to becoming a worthy XI successor until they went full WOW with it.

>>389348883
I can't handle private servers. They can never get the Mob AI to work properly, which robs the world of all it's agency. If I can't get chased through Ronfaure by a horde of raging Orcs because I was grinding XP a few inches too close to Ghelsba, it's not worth playing.

>>389349117

Crawler's nest train!
I'll never forgive SE for removing those.

>>389349117
Oh god the memories.

Every expansion I'd go sit at the west ronfaure gates to watch the inevitable orc chains being brought back to the gate.

>>389336609
Someone post more nice soothing FFXI music. I've only played XIV, and I like a lot of the comfy music in that, but I know XI has a great reputation for that stuff.

In exchange, here's a nice XIV1.0 song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmheQ-1qCzY

>>389349309
https://youtu.be/mPam_uv0-Js

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>>389349309
Probably my favorite song in the game. It's so muted and melancholy, and the zone itself has this great eerie mystical feel to it with the dense fog, glowing crystals, immensely tall Redwoods, and golems patrolling around every turn. No game can ever match this level of comfy. It felt like you were delving into a true fantasy experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TnSMXcp2Hg

>>389349309
You can click any FFXI song and slip into a comfy coma, I'd argue it's the best FF soundtrack and that's a real fucking dangerous thing to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-C-_pdzp5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-if85nnGWMg

Or you can get super comfy with visuals and music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesY1XssACM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzrmwcSizIY

>>389348720
>degenerate faggot
Any actual degenerate faggots that play ffxi here?

If so make some gil by letting me fap to your female characters, idgaf what sex you are irl.

>>389349309

I don't think you can imagine how special that one will be for mostly anyone that played the game to that point (god, that first time), but it stands on its own anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXuMUqj2Vjg

>>389349603
That one's a personal favorite for sure.

>>389349658
>>/vg/
>FFXIV general

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>>389349117
i actually fixed this on my personal server, it's just navmeshes. it's not 100% accurate but only the super autistic will notice the differences

>>389349772
Talking about ffxi you pleb.

>>389349616
>TFW bought every OST released in America.
>TFW $150 for the premium box import when the Distant Worlds tour came to town

Worth
Every
Cent

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playing this with a /v/ LS back in 2008-10 was the best part of my teenage years and the only time I've ever loved an MMO

>>389349842
How many people are on your server? The problem explained to me was server load. You can add the mob AI back in, but when you have a few hundred people running around across various zones with all the mobs patrolling and behaving accurately in each one, it gets to be too much. It just doesn't sound like an issue that can be fixed on larger servers.

>>389349965
I remember when we would get groups together at one house with 5 TVs and 5 PS2s and camp NMs all night.

Best times of teenage life.

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>>389349009
it's not too difficult but could take up to a day of your time figuring out stupidly small issues preventing it from running. it doesn't help that there's no real in depth guide out there so it's a good bit of trial and error if shit doesn't work.

here's your bible

https://wiki.dspt.info/index.php/Building_the_Server

here's an autist who shittily explains how to do it. keep in mind he skips some steps

https://youtu.be/LfBzEd6VmXY

i think he has 3 or 4 videos on the subject. there's a limitless amount of shit you can do after you get set up, and the darkstar forums help a lot with that. you can really craft your own game if you have the patience for it

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>XI thread has even more catslut posting that the pseudo XIV general
that pops up here most days

>>389350286

Thanks a lot anon.

>>389350428

The contrary would be astonishing.

>>389350428
At least it's sprinkled with discussion as well. Unlike the FFXIV general.

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i'm trying nofap, stop making these thread REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389350428
it's been this way since the very beginning

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>>389350798
>people actually believe nofap benefits them in any way

>>389336609
jesus no joke whoever came up with these things bless em

>>389350883
well im faping almost every 20 minutes so i think it can help me

>>389350798
>doesn't want to see pornography
>goes to /v/

damn, like what are you smoking?

>>389350428
You must be very very new to /v/.

>tfw no Mithra gf

I even played a Taru boy back in the day. Why did it end like this brehs?

>someone mentions FFXI ost
>instantly go to YouTube and have it play in the background of your day

Every fucking time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_uc_sw3rfQ

It's funny how I miss that world more than any place I've been to.
I'm stopped playing for basically two years around the Aht Urhgan release to ensure I'd get my diploma, and in retrospect I regret it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECG5u_eMWZw

Will we ever get a MMO as good as FFXI ever again?

>>389350798
>>389350967
Bro, legit. Cut out 4chan from your life entirely until you're mentally stable enough to handle seeing a few butts. Even then, moderate your time spent here and if you feel yourself getting a little bit flustered or tempted, close the page and start preoccupying your mind with something else. People who scoff at nofap only do it because they either don't understand it primarily helps those with addictions, or don't realize they themselves have an addiction.

It gets better, just detox your mind and stay focused. Don't count the days you're sober because you're just counting down to when you feel it's safe to relapse. It's never safe. Live your life outside the internet for awhile. Pick up a hobby like art or fitness to preoccupy the time left behind by your cut internet usage. Dress yourself every day like you're planning to go out and don't bum around in comfortable PJs. Your random erections will eventually stop once your body becomes accustomed to not being stimulated constantly. Also, some erections you get aren't a horniness indicator, but just your body needing to pee and expressing itself in the way it's been accustomed to whenever that region is stimulated, so if you feel the urge to fap sometimes you just need to use the bathroom.

I'm rooting for you Anon. It's a rough road, but well worth the effort. Don't lose your resolve.

>>389351924

Unlikely, I think.
Part of the problem is that quite a few features a strong part of the audience *demand* nowadays - so-called "QoL" stuff - is just antithetic to what a game like XI needs to do to work.

An XI-like game nowadays would be a niche of the niche XI itself used to be (comparatively to WoW).
Hard to budget for that, though not impossible.
But then you lose on production value.

>>389351492
Anyone who didn't get to experience TOAU honestly missed out.

The expansion was fun, had a lovely storyline that was filled with amazing bits of lore, and introduced some of my favorite areas in the game (Nyzul Isle, Mount Z, Arrapaggo Reef).

It's cool that you prioritized your degree, but man, TOAU was just fun.

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>>389352227

Took me a bit to get used to FFXI now but I still love it and have since 2003.

The key to fun is having a linkshell that is active and full of nice helpful people.

>>389352243

I played a lot of it when I came back (main-healing Alexander with PUP is still one of my proudest gaming-related achievement. Took skill).
But the two years lost hurt a lot. Especially now I know the gale is just gone.

>>389352329

The community was half the game for sure. Great people for the most part.

>>389352243
I missed TOAU on launch as I was working 3 jobs at the time, I got to experience it later after SoA hit but before the major changes happened.

>>389352227
The other thing is, those QoL changes are also necessary with an aging playerbase. I don't know how the old married couples and 25 year old bachelors did it in my old LS, but now that I'm hitting that age bracket I just don't have the time investment needed for an MMO like this anymore. I can't stay up until 4:30 on a school night farming lizzies in Yhoator Jungle like I used to do when I was 12. It's like, MMOs of this caliber were perfect when you either didn't have responsibilities, or didn't have a social life. If you have those obligations now, you can't dedicate those 4-6 hours a night necessary to make any sort of progress.

>>389352817
>The other thing is, those QoL changes are also necessary with an aging playerbase

I'm not certain that's true, that's the thing. That certainly is a feeling a lot of people have though.
But then if all the people playing together - enough of them at least - have that slower pace, then it's not much of an issue as far as I can see.
You have to schedule things for sure instead of playing things in big chunks. But fundamentally, I don't think it prevents the game for working.

In a way that demand mirrors how cellphones changed social interactions, with people now basically only living on a reactive, fast revolving scheduling on short delays, with the actual mid-to-long term planned events becoming a significant exception.

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>>389336767
this tbqh

>>389350428
tfw no more mithra hijacks of spidey hijacks

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>That selfish faggot who dicked you over on drops for the most asinine of reasons.

Will you ever be able to forgive him?

>>389355067
first linkshell literally booted me after I got a high roll on a rare drop, joined a new one that night, the next day killed serket with them and got my claw, and 3 days later my +1 harness, then played with a group that was way cooler for many more years.

No I won't forgive him, but I made much better friends because of him.

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>>389355067


Some people just suck.

It was nice being the reason certain members didn't make it into our endgame LS. Lots of salty peeps would find out I didn't approve them because of some shitty behavior or another and would just blow up at me.

One guy figured it out and made amends. Went on to be one of our best tanks.

>>389353319


The movement speed boost alone was a godsend. It was soooooooo slooooooooooooow to go anywhere in that game.

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>>389355067
>that endgame linkshell leader that jumps server with the linkshell bank as soon as he gets all his drops
I managed to hold the ls together for a few months afterwards so most of us could get the shit we wanted, but it never felt the same.

>>389355909
travel has been a joke for a while now. the homepoint system alone makes travel to anywhere take like 30 seconds. on top of that you can mount almost anywhere, have outpost warps, a shit load of other teleport npcs as well. it's such a stark contrast from the old days where you had to plan a journey for everything

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>one day you logged off your FFXI char and never logged in again

>>389355909

Not certain I agree, but not worth debating at that point.

>>389356028

That's the kind of horror story that always make me sad. I was blessed with only playing with cool and decent people for the decade Is pend on the game.
Bad experiences I had I can count on one hand, and they're nowhere near as bad as that.


Damn, I wish I could still post images on 4chan. I have that gigantic FFXI folder I can't use anymore.

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>>389356157
maybe YOU did
some of us are still keeping this shitty ded game "alive"

>>389356148


You still have to journey the first time you do anything. You can't OP without visting the OP first. Same for Survival Guides and HP's.

The new changes just cut out the slog of travel. They are pretty landscapes and sometimes nice to chill in but riding through gustaberg for the 100th time got old.

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>private FFXI servers exist
My life went to shit and I'm a poorfag now, so that makes me really happy, I need to check it out.

>>389355067
Fuck every single Puppetmaster who ever bitched about the Samurai, Ninja, or Monk having priority on Usukane over them.

Actually, just fuck every single Puppetmaster.

Right in the asshole.

That job attracted the worst people who had to fucking compete with everyone and cry if things didn't go their way.

>>389356157

Yeah, as silly and melodramatic as it sounds, it's like I took my heart off my chest and put in a cardboard box to gather dust in some attic, with that big hole the only thing left.

>>389356323
>You still have to journey the first time you do anything.

Which is insignificant, and turns the game space from being a *place* to being a skinner-box gating to some UI menu.

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>>389356513
which is funny, cause about 1/3 of the people i've encountered that play xi from /v/ love cucketmaster

>>389353319
I think most of the qol stuff was for new players. Sure it's not like there's been a huge flood of new players or anything, but if everything was the old way you couldn't even get a friend that never played to make an account and join you. It would be literally impossible to catch up.

>>389356660

It was an incredibly fun job to play, very involving, though I myself would never have dared to get in the way of a dedicated DD for the Usukane set.
Makes little sens to me.

>>389356589

Just about every area has story reasons or monster-pop reasons to visit it. Not having to ride a chocobo through Konschat everytime doesn't mean the space is useless.

>>389356803


It fucking sucked being a FE job. Warriors could take s lot of your good shit. Puppetmasters... lol

any good channel that does a lets play explaining how to play ff11?

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>FFXI event due soon on FFBE
Please be gentle on my wallet, Gumi. Who am I kidding? I'm gonna need to sell my organs to get Prishe.

>>389357127

It's not useless. It's *insignificant*.
There is a use. The use is making you lose time.
But space stops being a meaningful element of the world construct. Its *key* defining feature is that of being a gating metric.
Different use altogether.

Not saying it's inherently bad, there is an audience for that, as proven.
Trouble is, I'm not a part of it, and there hasn't been a game trying to appeal to my player profile in the genre for a very long time now.

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>>389349658
I'm making an ERP LS on Asura, if you're there, you've probably seen the shouts
Progress is slow, I want it to have many more female characters than males, but most shout replies are horny guys playing guy characters.

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>>389357453
no idea about the let's play shit but

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/44o0g7/new_and_returning_player_guide/

have a leddit link

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Returning_to_Vana'diel

also this is good for people returning

>>389356660
No one was as bad as the guy in my linkshell.

He spent all his time gathering every single piece with /PUP attached to it.

He'd then wander around Yuhtunga "testing" shit out on Mandies on his own. He'd skip events constantly to do this, always claiming that he had finally found the BEST combination of gear/parts to make it work, but required some time to further test shit.

Once every blue moon he'd show up to Salvage, then cry about someone else getting Usukane in a linkshell where event attendance determined who got drops.

Out of fucking nowhere he decides to steal the last Usukane piece I needed and ran off with it. Just my luck, I lot a 100 something, and he pulls off a last second roll for 800+.

Ever since then I've just had nothing but contempt for the job, a feeling that was made worse by constantly running into Puppetmasters who claimed that they were the best geared PUP on the server.

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Mithrass > Shitqo'te

>>389357945


People who lived to parse shit were annoying as fuck too. You'd be in some friendly ls merit party and then one of them would get switched out with THAT guy who is always parsing and running numbers like anyone but them cares.

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>>389357485
>Global FFBE
So they'll release an exclusive unit to fuck with the gacha like with the Nier one?

>>389350428
Not much else to do than dump lewd, and reminisce about the good times. Unlike XIV, XI is in maintenance mode and no longer sees a stream of new content, so it's not like we have a new expansion pack to discuss like Stormblood or DQX v. 4, or what we'd like to see added to the future. All we can do is wait for them to close down the servers once subs drop below whatever threshold they've set, then blame XIV like we somehow do for everything.

>>389357678
Whats the name of the shell? haven't seen any shouts, I'll keep an eye out tonight.

>>389358670
I've been shouting between 7 or 8 PST to around 12-1am. I last night I had internet problems, so I didn't shout. I might a bit tonight, but there's another game I'm gonna play around 11. The shell name isn't in the shout, but you'll know by the shout. Just look for shouts for an 'erotic social LS', it's the only one.

I'm really not letting many male characters in, so I'd prefer if you want to come join or watch, you bring a female mule or something. Still, I'll do whatever if you're paying.

imgur.com/a/nzxmn

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>>389358642
Fuck man, if we get a global exclusive Lilith or Shadow Lord, I'm all for it. XI is horribly under-represented in all FF crossovers, so I'll take every last bit I can get.

>>389359116

Oh man that fight was so intense. Being the kiter was insane.

post more big fat cat tats

>>389350883
weekend fap feels 7 times better

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>>389359215
CoP had some very memorable fights all around.

>>389336609
>bought that collector's thing with all the expacs ages ago on steam
>get the itch to try to get back into it
>remember how much of a fucking pain it was to set up an account
>realize i probably won't remember the 30 different passwords they made me set up

>>389359116
>>389359746
>master1200
Anon, you fuckup

>>389359794
I'm pretty sure you only need the SE account to log in once you linked your POL account to it.

My goal is to keep playing until the servers shut down.

Then, along with all my abilities and items, I'll be transferred over to a fantasy land that I'll be able to rule over with my amazing powers.

I just hope they let me bring over my mules as sidekicks.

>>389359746


Especially before they nerfed them all. Promyvion was so soul-crushingly hard/

>>389340740
that's why i enjoy vanilla/BC WoW private servers, i feel like you can find that middleground pretty easy if you play with the right people. are there no XI private servers that are any good?

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>>389359880
The originals are no bigger.

Does anyone still believe XI has a future? There's nothing really interesting to look forward to, just the monthly Ambuscade rotations, some minor changes and bug fixes, a new trust every so often, and some new equipment every few months. There will be no new lands to explore, no new jobs to play, no new characters to interact with. If we're lucky that new battle content they teased by the end of the year, which will just be instanced and 100% recycled assets.

>>389360771

Those were simpler times.

>>389360590

Last I heard everything post Aht Urhgan was still very messy on private servers, but that was almost a year ago, so things may be better.

>>389360590
FFXI's private servers are built on poor imitations of the actual game.

You can't actually access a lot of the information that sets up the game, so there's a lot of guess work involved in making everything work. Enemies, spells, and a lot of aspects of the game are broken and work nothing like their original versions.

Furthermore, it's not really updated or well maintained. There's a lot of missing content, with one of the biggest expansions being unplayable due to a lot of the more complicated aspects of the game being involved with it.

Needless to say, most of the people who run their own private servers have horribly huge egos, as well. They haphazardly include and exclude things in relation to what they feel is right, without actually looking at what was available in the period they're trying to emulate. They want their rose-tinted version of FFXI, not the actual one.

A lot of progress has been made with FFXI's private servers over the years, but the biggest problem has to do with the fact that none of the private server's coders/owners like working together. They would be able to achieve a lot more if they'd pool their resources, but from what I recall none of them actually want to work together. They just wanna inflate their own egos and don't really about recreating the classic FFXI experience.

>>389361696

I can live with the absence of novelty, it's the death of the game itself and of its community I haven't been able to stomach.

But to answer your question, no I don't think the game has much of future left, as much as it pains me.

>>389361696

People will still probably be playing enough for at least one server to survive another 10 years. Hell, EQ is still up.

Just depends on how much you love the game. I'm in a fun and nice endgame LS and it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fJCr2ZGdw

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>>389336767
What about Viera?

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>>389362572

Good Lord

>>389340312

Mostly just /v/ being /v/ from what I can tell. I started a new account a couple months ago and while I haven't met a whole lot of people yet, the ones I have come across have been very nice. My problem is I keep swapping jobs so I never get out of the lower level content.

>>389341302

I've been enjoying it. Back when I played I didn't get past level 55 or rank 5 in my home nation. Now I'm Rank 10 and actually seeing what the fuck Rise of the Zilart was all about - I literally ended up skipping it originally because it requires you having beat the Shadow Lord from the main game.

It's not what it used to be, but there is still plenty of fun to be had and you aren't really going to get a similar experience else ware at this point.

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>>389363009
as a new player, if you approach ffxi as either a single player experience or a low man group thing with friends you have literally thousands of hours of content to play, something similar to a much better version of an offline co-op ff12.

>>389361696
they've teased a new battle content updated for the last few months but they keep delaying it. it'll probably be out in the next couple months, but don't expect anything amazing. it's probably just some reskinned content that gives mats for af2+2/3. they have a few other things they want to add and most likely will, but again it's all low quality content, time gated just to keep people busy. they mentioned before if the game had enough support than another expansion is possible, but it's just not realistic with the current player base. matsui cited the reason the battle content that's in development right now is taking so long is because SE cut people from ffxi's dev team.

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Mithra butts are a miracle of the universe.
Fuck you SE

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>>389363720
>matsui cited the reason the battle content that's in development right now is taking so long is because SE cut people from ffxi's dev team
So there's only like 3 people left working on it now? They weren't exactly running with a full team even during Rhapsodies.

>>389363720
>SE cut people from ffxi's dev team.
Yoshi-P cut people from FFXI's dev team.

He fears the XI.

To those still playing - I'm working my way to level 85 now and I am still stuck in my level 50-60 artifact gear. Is it going to be worth my time to try and get anything else before level 99? I see you can upgrade AF armor, and relic/assault stuff looks OK, but I can't seem to tell how easy/hard it is to get that shit these days or if it would be worth the time.

>>389361696

FFXI is 15 years old. There is only so much you can add to the same game. They may have ditched PS2 support, but I am sure that it has left lasting effects on what they could do to the game anyway without having to rework the whole thing from the ground up.

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>>389364024
it still inspires little confidence, the amount of stupid shit they left unchecked balance wise is ridiculous(smn), and when they attempt to do something heavy handed to fix things, they make it worse in the process(mnk).

not to mention all the spelling errors and incorrect stats on gear these days. it feels like an intern runs xi at this point

>>389364331
when you hit 99 you can buy ilvl117 gear from sparks npc and it blows away anything else you can get at that point. it'll make you feel like a god, and you might as well be until you're in adoulin or escha. the fully upgraded af/relic/empy gear has very few niche uses for certain abilities, don't even worry about that shit until later

personally i'd just hobo it with trusts until 99, it's not difficult whatsoever

>>389364449

The monk changes made it worse? Thats a shame - I always liked monk.

>>389364810

Yeah that is kind of what I thought. It just feels so wrong to be using such under leveled gear - especially in FFXI.

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>>389336767
Mithra certainly have some amazing fanart, but ingame I never really found them to be all that cute. Too limited by the hardware.

Miqo'te look just as cute ingame though, even if they are not quite as catlike.

>>389364278
>He fears the XI.
>Fearing XI
>In 2013-17
You XI-fags really are delusional.

>>389365461
There he is.

That Yoshi-P.

He's so afraid he stalks /v/ in search of FFXI threads.

Haven't you done enough, Yoshi-P?

>>389364867
mnk has basically not been a job for the last two years or so. job points actually nerfed their dps the further they went into them.

well, they fixed that in the most roundabout assbackwards way possible by adding damage and delay to all the h2h weapons in the game, but in the process ruined boost and focus. using boost directly nerfs your dps. you use it and your character can't attack for 5 seconds and then you hit really hard one time. and it does jack shit on weapon skills.

the funniest part about the whole mnk update is it made pup better at being mnk than mnk is, cause pup's weapons got the benefits too, but done of the dumbass reworks mnk got

>>389365646

Jesus. That IS pretty bad.

I always thought Pup was cool too, but I don't know if I want to bother gathering up all the parts and setting them up right for every encounter. I guess I could just fuck around with it solo and have fun doing whatever, though.

>>389362572
>You will never have a fun weeb gf who has a body suitable for it that likes to do cosplay shit like this for you
This is what hurts the most.

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>>389365874
as far as end game goes pup is mostly used as a tank in a select few niche fights, for dps there's far better and safer jobs for that

but if you're just playing solo/low man on anything that isn't the highest difficulty content, then fuck it play whatever you enjoy my man, even if it is... pup. the game is so easy now on anything that isn't master trials or farming an aeonic that you can play whatever you want and get away with it pretty lazily

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>see this thread
>resub
>remember I still need to finish WotG but stuck on a shitty escort mission
It'll be worth it when I finally get around to finishing all the story content though.

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>>389367960

Warrior was hot on Mithra and Female taru.

wish male mithra had been a thing.

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So i want to play Final Fantasy XI - Online for the first time ever. I've already determined retail wouldn't be what i'm looking for so my question is how broken is Nasomi ?
Is it stable ?
Items or spells that don't work or make the client crash ? Glitches ? Broken interface ?
Is there lame work arounds implemented for broken features ? (eg. click on the chocobo NPC to get teleported but pretend you rode a chocobo there)
Is there GM abuse/faggotry ?
How tight are "no meanies, play nice" rules ?
Is SUmmoner /subWHM a good combination ?

Your answers might decide if i play this game at all. Be honest with me.

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>>389368139
Everything was hot on Mithra. Even the baggy mage shit.

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>>389369025


I enjoyed subligaria on Taru. They had cute fat thighs. :3

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im surprised this thread is still up

im still deciding if i want to buy the game or not though

>>389371897

Keeping it alive with fanart. Wish there were more discussion.

I really like Runefencer.

>>389371897
Go for it.

Even if you don't end up enjoying what the game is like today, you'll still get a kick out of the world and the storyline.

I think FFXI's story/setting is one that any fan of RPGs or Fantasy should experience at least once.

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>>389336609
STOP. It's dead. No need to keep twisting the knife.

>>389364331
PS2 support terminated, plus a rework should have happened long ago back when the game was healthy. They decided that with FF14 in development they could neglect the game as its replacement is on the way, but something they didn't anticipate happened: FF14 failed. They ended up with two games in bad shape as opposed to just one. They've eventually salvaged FF14, but XI never recovered and is only still online because upkeep is so low they can profit with fewer than ten thousand subscribers. It didn't have to be this way.

Are there any vanilla servers?
I only have one friend who'd play on it with me anyway.
I just want a decent sized group of people to adventure with.

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>>389372569

>just about all the toxic endgame ls'es ruining the economy for everyone else are gone
>RMT gone
>only ones left are people with a love of the game and world

Game's perfect now.

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>>389372404
>I think FFXI's story/setting is one that any fan of RPGs or Fantasy should experience at least once.
I 100% agree with this, and it's depressing to think that Vana'diel will be wasted on nothing but half-assed mobile trash after the XI servers go down.

>>389340065
when the FUCK is FF14 gonna get armor sets based off aht urgan? fucking yoshi P

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>Mithra
>Mi'qote

It is a thirst I will never quench.

>>389341302
i tried it this past month

got to 99 in about 2 weeks from scratch

it was a fun nostalgia trip but i dont see myself playing after my free month is up.

I bought the game last week because I didn't want to miss one of the main FF games because the servers will get shut down one day. After getting through the nightmare that is playonline I've been loving the game. Wish I could have played it back when it was new.

>>389368254
i never played nasomi but i have played other servers and i can tell you there will always be retarded work arounds to make things work, because xi has so many server side triggers. nothing like the chocobo example you gave, but things like certain quests and missions can't be done at all, so they compensate in other ways.

every server i've been on is run by assholes, and i've heard a lot of shit about nasomi's team too.

also, their server is 75 cap and smn was straight ass at 75. pet jobs are buggy on private servers anyway

>>389373103
as i was just saying, nasomi is 75 cap and they won't go past CoP content

>>389373476
It's not the same game it once was at all. Without the community, the economy, the difficulty or the visceral nature of what it once was, what are you even playing? It's just a wank that lets you experience the story and nothing else the game once had to offer.

>tfw talking to my brother about all the games we'd used to play back in high school
>brother tells me that he would remember me just no lifing xi during summer break and that he couldn't sleep for weeks after i had quit because the music would help him sleep

god i fucking miss this game

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIEeKI0qYII

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>>389374075
>xiv

Anyone know what happened to the Nexon version of the game?

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>>389371897
Buy it on sale, play through the whole story during your free month and then never touch it again. If that sounds like a worthwhile purchase to you then sure.
But keep in mind it is an incredibly dated game, with an annoying registration/setup process, where most of your enjoyment will come from how much you appreciate antiquated gameplay mechanics and the game's aesthetics and music.

If you're just doing it for the cute catgirls then don't bother.

>>389374269
come at me

>>389374269
Both games are great

>>389374285
Development hell, they probably couldn't decide how to monetize it. It popped up again in a recent Nexon report, I believe.

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>>389374075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfdr70eCKTI

here's a better version

>>389374296
>cute catgirls
nigga im doing it for the cute elf girls, but thanks ill look into it when it's on sale next time

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>>389374568
gotta love them long necks

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>>389374690
i used to wring my dick raw to pic related

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>>389374906


For me it was pic related.

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>>389374906
>>389375537
for me it was pic related

>>389336609
fuck me nostalgia

>>389374393
Pretty hard to monetize when you have Matsui refusing to do things like allow REM to be cash shop items and the current game allows someone to tear through all the content in a month or so due to RoV rewards & trusts. I'd also imagine he would be against just buying gil, due to how that would destroy the economy.

Outside of possibly having Nexon redo all the areas and assets in Unreal, then somehow having it integrate with the current PC version, it just doesn't strike me as something that would have longevity. It would seem great for the first month or so, but really be hell due to how many people would compete for grind spots, and then just get progressively emptier as time went on with a sharper decline than the main XI.

>>389377034
they never said the game will have any connection with retail xi. it's just a spinoff/adaption

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Hey guys... Guess what?

>>389378073
Nobody is going to really care until we see actual gameplay and just what they're going to be locking behind paywalls.

What is a good "first" job to take to 99? I figured thief would be handy for treasure hunter but I am getting a little bored of sneak attack / shark bite being my one trick while leveling. Trusts don't get close enough to use trick attack often and forget trying to set up SATA. I'm leaning a magic class but I just can't choose.

>>389380128
I had the most fun playing Runefencer.

It's a fun job.

Paladin is also entertaining to play, and I think it's still very popular in any high level event.

>>389380128
Blu is incredibly useful, especially solo or low man, and will keep you busy for a long time. It's the multitool of jobs

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>>389352227
I mean, from a XIVfag who started XI a few months ago, I do think it definitely needs QoL improvements. Especially the PS2 era control scheme that obviously was not built around PCs, lack of minimap outside of extensions, a completely unintuitive auction house, and the shitloads of grinding for quests that bog the game down (fucking hated getting Summoner).

The game is completely playable once you get used to/mitigate these problems though. Outside of those issues, the game would work just fine as a modern MMO. Only other thing I would ask for would be a bit more avatar customization.

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>>389362648
God, I wish the MMOs had Viera.
We almost got them with XIV, but we got lizards instead which are alright with me,
but my soft spot for Tactics will forever yearn for what could have been.

>>389381251

I like the idea of Runefencer, so I may check that out.

>>389381625

Man, hunting down all the magic must take ages. But it does look like it can do some pretty sweet stuff.

>>389381847
>lack of minimap

Definitely a feature.

>>389339741
>Elvaans > Mithra.

Patrician taste my friend.

>>389383415
>>389381847

The lack of mini map wouldn't bug me so much if the actual maps didn't blow shit - some are just missing huge swaths of the area. If that shit at least filled in when you uncovered it, it would help a ton for finding your way around.

>>389336767
It's not even a contest

>>389381847
>minimap
Immersion destroyed. Comfy hotkeyed map with user created markers ftw. Spatial memory brainlets need not apply.

I wouldn't be so hard on XIV but I just miss the fucking RPG elements. What happened to tailoring your gear loadout for a specific task? What happened to actually weighing stats besides iLevel? XIV feels more like an action game

>>389384516
XIV is a fun game but it is not an rpg. People need understand that.

>>389381625
BLU was my favorite job back in the 75 days but the problem is that Trust magic pretty much destroys any need to have a job that specializes in versiaity like that.

I mean I used to take pride in my jerrrigged tanking and nuking sets for BLU but why even bother now when you can summon a dedicated PLD or BLM

>>389384029
The maps in XI were fine.

>>389381847
>Menu based instead of a hundred little icons to click
>means it was built for consoles and not PCs

I'm tired of this meme.

>>389349204
I vaguely remember a JP flash animation of a taru BST making MPK trains in CN (either intentionally or unintentionally, idk) but every time I look for it I can never find it. I'm pretty sure it's been lost in old corners of the internet.

>>389384802
Not really, since trusts are incredibly shitty version of players. A Blu can do anything a trust can do, but better. Your typical trusts you use at 99 are only to enhance dps and occasionally tank if you're going full dps, but you'll take hate anyway so it's not usually helpful.

>>389385937
I know what you're talking about and I found it again several years ago but it was on some malware ridden site. Haven't seen it since.

>>389385221
Menu based isn't the problem.
Having shit like the mouse buttons being confirm/cancel along with no way to change what action is associated with each key is the problem.

>>38938594
Admittedly I haven't played in a while, but my understanding is that since 99 is so easy to get now, nobody really has a "main" job in the way they used to and all the jobs they have leveled are considered part of their versatility. So it's less "hey switch to your tank gear for BLU" and more "hey go switch to your PLD"

>>389386193
Why are you playing FFXI with a mouse at all? It was made for a fullsize keyboard + numpad

>>389386332
Shitty laptop doesn't have a numpad.

>>389385120

Talking of of feeling in a world: the Yuhtunga/Yhoator maps were a thing of beauty. Technically accurate, but perfectly useless without experience/exploration.
It *felt* like someone drew that map.

>>389386229
Pretty much. Also it's a lot easier to main multiple jobs now since lots of jobs use the same gear sets at end game. Gearing one job covers like 70% of the gear you need for several other jobs. Though this is offset by the very large grind that job points are (think about grinding from 1-75 in the old days, getting 2100 jp is similar.) Along with all the niche gear pieces and sets individual jobs need, and rmea weapons

>>389385120

No, no they were not. I played back when it was released and am playing now - the maps for anything other than the towns are shit. Ledges and tunnels and shit are totally unmarked, entire sections of dungeons and caves are left blank, no easy way to flip between two floors of a dungeon quickly and to even get to your own markers you have to pull open another menu and shift over until they show up. Can't use the wide scan target lock on your own markers either, so that's not especially helpful. Lots of area maps online have to draw in the missing sections themselves, and create composite maps of areas because lots of zone lines simply aren't marked. It's a huge, steaming mess.

>>389386871

Again, that's a feature to some of us.
That's why you could put annotations on the maps.

>>389386869
So given that, a multitask/adaptable job like BLU has only a fraction of the appeal it once had.

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>>389387151

I'm sorry, but this is a pretty stupid feature.

>>389387353
I think actually having to use the environment to navigate instead of being able to just watch a map/minimap is a good feature

Keep talking about FFXI or I'll kill myself.

>>389387353

Alternatively, you have a set of pretty myopic priorities (ie preferences different from ours).
Every player being able to take the ball with hands in football/soccer would be a lot more efficient. But that's missing the whole point of the game (of what a game is really).
Same here: having a perfect map+mini map would be a lot more efficient. It would also miss the point of exploration, memory, environment reading and necessary experience - to be shared no less- that is part of the charm.

smelly ass cats

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>>389387751
Got swallowed by Sandworm. Now playing tag with Guivre.

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I just miss how Mithra had a kind of consistent design tying the race together? I mean Miquo'te run the gamut from demure brown woman to white trash with whore makeup and tattoos.

>>389386582
I didn't realize it until very recently but the maps for the yhoator/yuhtunga are not just "technically" accurate, they're actually accurate. Everything that tunnels under the surface is obscured by brush and path you can see on the map is actually there and accurate.

The only thing I don't like about the maps in XI are the fact that they are "magical", yet they don't update when you've found uncharted areas.

>>389387159
Nigga people have been bitching about BLU being op for a year straight now. It'll get you into more groups than any other dps just because all its built in support and good damage and survivability. I can't tell you how much shit I've tanked on BLU that other jobs definitely couldn't have

>>389387698
>>389387873

Well it's not like they ever updated the things anyway. I just think that if the maps are going to be so incomplete anyway, you shouldn't have to go out of your way to get them in the first place. I've gotten used to it, and plenty of other people have too. I don't really think it adds anything to the experience myself - and I did play back between rise of the zilart / wings of the goddess, so I do have a feel for what the game used to be like way back when. I never once knew anyone who enjoyed the maps in this game.

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>>389388079
Mithra = anthropomorphic cats
Miquote = humans wearing cat ears from amazon

Mithras tails were very much alive, live real cats and they were part of how they commuinicated body language. The Miquote tail is just kinda there, dangling around like it's nothing more than a length of rope shoved up a weirdo's ass.

>tfw never got to play FFXI

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>>389388652
Once in a lifetime opportunity that now only exists as memories in the people who were lucky enough to play it. The memories die with us. Shame, that.

>>389388396

I think that ties in to that tread sub-discussion: I don't think a game like FFXI would be possible nowadays, because it was barely possible while it happened.

People making a more and more extensive use of wikis and forums and data mining as time went by really hurt the game for some of us old school players.
Exploration, experimentation, sharing experience *in game*... so much of this died slowly as they were replaced by out of game solutions.
And people expect them nowadays. Hell, games are built upon the expectation of their existence, and it changes the value proposition of everything.

>>389388396
I did. Placing markers and navigating was challenging and rewarding, and added to the feeling of exploration. I didn't have issues with the maps themselves - some of the areas are just confusing due to their intertwining nature, but memorizing the paths was also part of the fun. I think they were a great supplemental navigation tool.

The only downside to not having a real-time map was using the Beastmaster's Scan ability for hunting NMs, but that's a separate issue since the goal was to get real-time updates on the NM's presence, not to navigate the area itself.

>look up solo strategies for Fire in the Hole
>my best option is to use a Trust to Sleepga the Quads
>a Trust I don't have and is only available during special campaigns
God damn, I hate escort missions.

>>389389958
Your best option is to use a job with a strong aoe.

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>>389388904
Get over it and play a REAL MMO kiddo.

>>389390725
as someone that plays xiv please go shitpost somewhere else

>>389388904

>tfw one of my greatest wishes in life is that more people could have played and experienced FFXI
>tfw the game is nearing it's end, the servers will get shut down, and that world will be lost forever
>tfw never again will there be a MMO or experience like it

>>389391141
>>>/vg/

>>389390393
Does BLU have a sufficiently strong AoE? Haven't bothered with the job since Abyssea, so no idea what cool new toys they got to play with.

>>389391323
Yes. BLU is the other best aoe job. A moderately geared BLU can cast subduction. Does 2-4k damage on old monsters. They can also cast dream flower for aoe sleep. BST is another with the right pets. A PLD or DRK can use shockwave with a greatsword which also has a sleep affect. Sword users can also try circle blade. Spinning scythe, polearms have a thing, great axes have fell cleave. Not sure about the rest.

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>>389391265
>tfw you'll never have a Mithra gf
>even if you somehow got a gf and convinced her to cosplay Mithra, she wouldn't understand the emotional significance of it

>>389391323
Yes if geared right they do shit loads of aoe damage that also cc's and they're tanky while doing it. Before apex pts it used to be very common for people to train 30+ mobs on BLU and aoe them down

>>389391265
Here's the plan

When they announce the servers shutting down, we all race to get all the super powered equipment, useful items and wait.

On the server's last hour, we stay logged in, and never log off.

When the server shuts down, we'll be transported into Vanadiel with all our equipment and items!

>>389392170
Hello Ainz sama, how are you today? I would unironically balamb garden myself to wake up either playing FFXI again on my ps2 in the early 00's or actually get isekai'd to Vanadiel

>>389391551
>>389391576
Thanks lads.

>>389349751
Getting past pre-ezmode Promys to hear this song. Killing me with the memories, anon.

>>389392170
Too bad you'd be majorly gimped with such a backwards plot. Between job points and ilvl 119(2) REMeA, you'd be lucky to be like the guy that was level 75 without merits compared to the die hards with one maxed out job and weapon.

Best to dedicate yourself now to this dream and make one final set of adventurer friends before Vana'diel is delegated to nothing more than a dream that may have happened once long ago.

>>389392632
I always wondered if Yggdrasil was based on Vana'diel and FFXI.

I know Welcome to the NHK has an entire arc built on people who get addicted to FFXI. It was pretty good, too.

>>389336609
I've always thought XI was pretty cool even though I've never played, is it hard to get into? does it still hold up today?

>>389393628
It is hard to get into. It does not hold up today.

>>389386871
The maps were drawn maps, they had everything you need, but weren't perfect.

Perfect maps are boring, you already know where everything is before you see it.

>>389393141

It was one hell of a moment.
Myself, I remember we were about to wipe and I killed that boss with one hp left, last survivor of a party about to wipe. Hell, I miss those people.

Anyway, yeah, going through CoP before they nerfed the thing (and I do mean before that first nerf of the missions, not Abyssea) was so incredibly satisfying.

>>389393843

Hell, most of the time, if the verticality is poor, you can even play using only the (mini) map in those games that go for such, more efficient.