WORST. GEN. EVER. if you think otherwise you are literally

Bait is out in full force today, wew

Here's your (you) now move along

>>386091368
Considering how I was I baby when these consoles came out I can't disagree

Playstation had droves of essential titles and N64 and Saturn both had a decent handful of essentials.

>>386091368
N64 and Saturn were and are trash. PS1 is a treasure.

>>386091486
wow very interesting

>>386091368
Was this thread specifically about the Nintendo 64 and you just posted the wrong image?

Because you would be absolutely right, it was the worst console of its generation and none of its games were even remotely good enough to be considered classics, let alone the "genre-defining" legendary games Nintendo fans seem to think they were.

>>386091368
what are those?

>>386091563
t. ps1 owner

what's with the 5th gen thrashing threads

>its a 2d babby cries about conpanies taken away muh 2d episode

Atari/Colecovision was way, way, way, way, WAY fucking worse in every conceivable aspect.

Wii/PS3/360 is also worse. Current gen is worse.

>>386091368
>Best Mario game
>Best Zelda games
>Crash Bandicoot at his peak
>Rayman 1 on two of those
>Bomberman 64
>Shit ton of hidden gems on the PS1
>Resident Evil 1 and 2

>>386091706
Fuck off. 3D was the single worst thing to happen to vidya. The 16 bit era truly perfected gaming. Seriously, right now pick a random SNES game and play it. Now do the same with the Playstation 1. I can personally GUARANTEE that the PS1 game will be unplayable garbage.

why do people shit on the saturn? it's the best sega console ever, easily. the amount of classic games is insane, and all the ports are arcade perfect.

That's not Gen 6.

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>>386091950
because no one here had one as a kid. you do realize that everyone in this thread is just defending their childhood console right? you can't change something that had such a profound impact on a person

>>386091883
The SNES library is full of shitty 2D platformers/sidescrollers that control awkwardly, stiffly or both. What's your point?

>>386091641
>OOT
>SM64
>not genre defining
on that note, what games did the saturn had that made it better than the n64?

I would say that while the n64 had some of the greatest games of all time on it, especially multiplayer games and obviously Mario and the Zelda's, overall the library was pretty small and theres a huge dropoff from the top tier of games to the rest of them. Seems like only Nintendo themselves and rare could make anything half decent for the console. On the other hand ps1 had a huge library with plenty of unforgettable classics and game changers, as well as many more diverse genres represented.

Meanwhile the Saturn was a streaming pile of shit, and I was a sega kid when this all went down

>>386092086
NiGHTS into Dreams and Christmas NiGHTS
Panzer Dragoon 1, 2, and Saga

>>386091368
I remember Saturn being expensive and hard to get.
PS had good games and a T O N of shovelware.
N64 had good games and was the best at multiplayer, a thing that was popular back then.

I had both and everyone wanted to play N64.

>>386091665
Not him but I owned a 64 and a ps1. I still play ps1 games regularly but the only 64 game I've played in a decade is ogre battle.

>>386091368
you are correct
>>386091476
t. 20 year old

>>386091883
See told you guys these 2D-nostalgic autists are the root of N64/ps1 era hatred

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>>386091368
You got my reply now piss off

>>386092408
I like ps1 but mostly only play 2d games on it these days, what now.

Are there any good Saturn emulators available?
I've always wanted to try it out but they seem so rare these days.

In terms of innovation the fifth gen did a lot. Everything we have now is just an idea from the fifth generation modified and made accessible for a mass audience.

>>386091883
>muh 3d is shit
Fuck off 2dfag

>>386092086
>>386092278
nights is literally the single biggest reason to get a saturn. what a lovely game, even miyamoto agrees

>>386092278
An entire one good game with pseudo DLC followed by a series no one cares about. How will Nintendo ever recover

>>386092772
I don't think you realize how good those games are nintendobaby

>>386092894
I don't think you realize how revolutionary most of the N64s library is. You'd probably notice if you weren't such a childish contrarian

>>386093090
I give 64 racing 3d platforming and shooters. I give ps1 rpgs 2d platformers and fighting games. I didn't have a saturn so I can't comment but I think they actually won fighting games and schmups.

>>386091950
Terrible controllers
Disastrous launch
Awful first party titles
Almost nothing but shmups and fighting games in the library

It's a fucking terrible system. So is the Dreamcast. Sega deserved to be pushed out of the console market.

>>386092278
>>386092683
>Nights
absolutely horrible game with terrible controls and gameplay.

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>>386093090
actually I do. maybe you'd realize that if you weren't a hopeless console warrior

>>386091368
The amount of creativity that came out in 5th gen was like a breath of fresh air compared to the stagnant clones that were coming out at the end of 4th gen.

But of course I wouldn't expect very young posters to remember either.

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>>386093363
>Terrible controllers

>>386094056
They feel awful and they're huge. The 6 button pad is alright though.

still system was shit. the fact that NIGHTS of all things is considered the flagship game should tell you all you need to know. Give literally anybody the controller and let them play NIGHTS for 5 minutes and they will guaranteed never want to play the Saturn ever again.

>>386094263
which controller are you talking about? they're all 6 button you dumb shit

>>386094263
It had the best version of Bomberman to date though, Castlevania, and shmup/fighter galore
Don't tell me bloody roar isnt a blast to play, and radiant silvergun is a masterpiece. Not to mention panzer dragoon

>>386094417
not him but SOTN is a butchered port

>>386091563
Bingo

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>>386091368
Let me fix that for you.

>>386091368
I grew up with N64 and PS1 and this is the first time I have ever seen the Saturn logo.

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>>386094642
let ME fix that for you

>>386094417
Bloody roar was only on PS1.

>>386094417
SotN was also on Playstation and the Saturn port has some issues despite Maria being playable.

Also Bloody Roar was far better when the series moved to Gamecube and PS2, Radiant Silvergun got ported to 360 and PC, Panzer Dragoon has amazing music and visuals but plays awfully compared to Starfox.

>>386091368

Take a hike Yahtzee.

>>386094745
who?

>>386091686
The underages finally figured out how to post on 4chan

Sometimes I forget Sega Saturn even existed.

>>386091686
Yahtzee made a ZP video about it and now /v/ is embracing the meme

>>386094732
Silvergun got ported to PC?!? When?
I know there's an ikaruga Port, but emulation doesn't count.

Seriously though, aside from the crash era, gen 7 is the worst.

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>>386091368

Don't you dare talk shit about Mr. Bones on the Sega Saturn.

>>386091476
fpbp

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>>386091563
>>386091641
THAT'S RIGHT BROS! YOU TELL THOSE STUPID NINTENBABBIES HOW SHIT THEIR CONSOLE REALLY IS! WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE CRASH! HAHA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT MEME 'WOAH'! HAHAHAHA IT'S SO FUNNY BROS!

>>386095573
what about segabros?

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>>386095573
Do you feel proud of this post? Do you feel proud this post of your killed a perfectly good thred?

>>386095724
PS1 was an objectively shit console and the only game on it that's stood the test of time is ff7 and even then there's nothing revolutionary about it in the same way OoT and Mario 64 were.

>>386096395
Sounds like you only play the most basic bitch shit. Of all the great ps1 games you pick fucking FF7. Of all the solid 64 games you pick fucking mario and OOT.

>>386095283
>the game never ends

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>>386095573
>We'll always have crash
RE3
Tekken 3
Metal gear solid
Medal of honor
Valkirie profile
Dino crisis 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeOSWLGKuaE
JUST PLAY FOR THE FUN

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Wrong image OP.

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>>386091368
Nah, PS3/360/Wii is worst era. Every time you picked up a game, you planned on encountering reskinned enemies as baby-easy bosses, if even that; 1st grade level puzzles, heavy focus on the cinematic experience, and about 45 minutes of content. You expected this but hoped for a miracle, which you got from about 9 games from this gen.

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>>386091368
>unique, original and revolutionary games on every platform
>amazing games in general
Wrong.

>>386091368
Okay then Arin.

>>386094681
all you did was make it look better
1/4 is better than 0/3

5th gen is my favorite because thanks to widely accessible 3D suddenly being available, it was basically the only time, ever, that innovation and experimentation was all but forced onto developers.

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>>386091368
Final Fantasy VII & IX > Final Fantasy X & XII
Suikoden I & II > Suikoden III-V
Xenogears > Xenosaga
Castlevania SotN > Castlevania LoS
Mega Man X4 > Mega Man X7
Zelda OoT & MM > Zelda WW & TP
Mario 64 > Mario Sunshine
Star Fox 64 > Star Fox Assault
Goldeneye > Halo
Half-Life > Half-Life 2
Final Fantasy Tactics > Disgaea

Of course, being a graphicsfag you wouldn't understand.

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>/v/ is young enough to hate the PS1/N64 era now

It will only be a matter of time until the PS2 is considered shit as well

>>386091368
>50% of that era's games are basically getting remade for modern consoles nowadays

Have a (you)

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>>386091883
>this post
And /v/ still doesn't believe me when I say that people have been claiming that vidya is dead since the early 2000s.

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>golden age of gaming

>>386091563

Hey now, the Saturn's pretty solid if you have a Japanese one (or a way to play japanese copies anyway)

>>386101495
There are internet records of people saying as such since the early 90s. Its nothing new.

>>386102604
I genuinely literally see nothing wrong with this

t. /vr/ anon

>>386101270
Except everyone likes the SNES and Genesis (and let's be real, the only people who hate the PS1 are contrarians who really want to say ALL gen 5 sucked), people just rightfully dislike the N64 for being shit and the Saturn for being a gimp console if you don't know moonrunes.

>>386101495
Well video games went to shit with >>386097837

>>386103259
>rightfully dislike the N64

I can tell you are not a fan of the collectathon

>>386091368
I'm quite fond of low-poly models for some reason.
I mostly agree though. 60% of what came out here was shit, 38% has since been done better, and the remaining 2% can't save an entire console gen.

>>386103259
>people just rightfully dislike the N64 for being shit

Okay, explain why it's shit then

>>386103512
>38% has since been done better
>>386101175

>>386103517
Not him, but the library is lacking. Outside of Nintendo and Rare efforts, there's little worth talking about.

>>386091368
Lol no. this gen is the worst
>no games worth a fuck
>extra fees to play online
>upgraded versions coming out every couple years
>sjw shit being shoved down your throat more than ever
>casual pandering

>>386099496
Out of all these consoles, the WII U of all things is the only good one? Are you high?

>>386103582
>the remaining 2% can't save an entire console gen.

I think objectively speaking the worst are the earliest consoles. I mean, the Colecovision, Odyssey, Intellivision, etc. Obviously, they are hugely important to the success of video games as a medium, but like ancient film ( unless you're a gigantic hipset faggot ) it's more of a curiosity than something you actually want to play. In light of this, and having played a lot of stuff from this time period, I can safely say that basically anything that came later is better.

>>386103653
Except between just those two studios there's what, over a dozen great to gotyay quality titles there.

>>386103951
Name them.

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>>386103517
>absolute mess to program on resulting in every game running like shit and no good emulator to this day
>library sucked, had about five 2d games and RPGs total and a whole lot of garbage
>kickstarted the cancerous console shooter "genre"
>collectathons instead of real 3d platformers (this one even disappointed me as a kid)

>>386091368
For once, let it be known that OP is NOT a faggot. Thanks you for saying what needs to be said.

>>386091368
OP just baiting because he didn't get to be alive when the greatest games were made from 1980 to 2005

>>386104167
still more games than phony shitstation ever had..

>>386104219
I dunno man. To this day I love me some Zelda, Spyro and Klonoa.

>>386104167
>no good emulator to this day
This is not the console problem
And there is nothing wrong with perfect dark or golden eye
Kill yourself

Mario 64
OoT
Majora's Mask
Star Fox 64
Banjo kazooie
Banjo tooie
Conker
Goldeneye
Perfect dark
diddy kong racing
super smash bros
Donkey kong country 64
Pokemon stadium

>>386104390
Every gen has its share of great titles, even the lowest ones, but the gen as a whole itself was riddled with compromises, even though if some of those looking back could now be called necessary steps.

>>386091368

Sorry anon but DK64 will remain to be my favorite 3D Platformer

I consider it the best, and not really up for debate. It isn't even nostalgia, when half the games I loved I've only played as an adult.

>>386104451
shit meant for>>386104019

>>386091563

>Ocarina of Time

>SM64

>Smash Bros

Naaaah

>>>386094971
Yahtzee? He's old and dead

>>386104494

How? It's way too fucking long considering the entire game is just a collect-a-thon. Banjo has the same problem( although the platforming is better here )

Super Mario 64 is objectively the best 3D platformer on that console.

>103 posts
>no mention of gameboy

Fucking pleb shits, the lot of you.

>>386104451
>>386104542
Oh sorry, I read that completely wrong. Thought you were saying there were over a dozen great to gotyay titles outside of Nintendo's and Rare's output.

DK64 sucks though.

PS1 and N64 were both good though

>Pacman World
>Resi3
>SM64
>OoT
>Mario Party 2
>Crash 1-3
>Banjo Kazooie
>Tooie
>DK64
>Mario Kart 64
>Crash Team Racinng

Name a single good Sega Saturn game that still holds up today

>>386104658
Game Boy was 4th gen.

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>>386091368
>console war faggots running out of fuel since this gen is so boring so they have to go to previous gens to pick fights

Nice.

>>386091368
Nop.

>>386091368
All three were better than the last two gens.

>>386104754
Princess Crown
Panzer Dragoon
Astal
Super Tempo
Daytona USA
NiGHTS

Idk, Mario 64 is a pretty dope game. Not nostalgia blind, I grew up with a DS and a Wii and I think that Mario 64 is great.

>>386104438
>this is not the console problem
The problem is that the console has such a garbage archetecture that making games for it sucks balls. Shouzou Kaga, for example, got so fed up with the system that he literally quit and formed his own company so he could make his vision of Fire Emblem 64 for Playstation, depriving the system of an RPG it desperately needed and making the next few games worse due to his absence.
>And there is nothing wrong with perfect dark or golden eye
Enjoy your casualized shit console shooters that run at 6 fps (again, due to development for the box being like sticking your balls in a vice), buddy.

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>>386104754
Here's three.

>>386104651

I like the idea of 5 playable characters with their own special abilities

At the time, my mind is basically "if it's bigger it's better"

>>386103259
What PS1 games still hold up today? Crash Bandicoot?
N64 games stand the test of time.

5th gen aged the worst out of all the gens, due to the shit hamfisted transition to 3D. The games themselves hold up from a gameplay perspective, mostly. The visuals are mostly shit, except for 2D games.

I'd still say 5th gen is better than the current gen, which is a sad state of affairs.

>>386091368
I'm sorry your childhood was shit.

>>386104754
>Mario Kart 64
>Crash Team Racing

why play either of these when sega rally exists?

>>386091368
PS1 has Crash Team Racing which still blows a ton of other kart racers the fuck out.

>>386104754

>MK64

That's literally the worst Mario Kart is existance

The rest of the list i agree with

>>386104978
Agreed, special with MARIO Kart. I am a huge MARIO Kart enthusiast, but anyone who says that 64 isn’t the worst entry is full of shit.

>>386091641
>Super Smash Brothers not being genre defining

You have no idea what you are saying, you never even played the games to talk about them.

>>386101495
>And /v/ still doesn't believe me when I say that people have been claiming that vidya is dead since the early 2000s.

I think console jumped the shark with Internet connectivity. Before then, they were true plug and play machines, where (after set up the console) you put in your game and play. No fussing around like PCs (or equivalent platforms before the 1994).

But add Internet connectivity started consoles down on the path of adding OSes, HDD, patches and installations that ruined their only great advantage over PC's.

>>386091368
Not even close. The first, second and seventh generation of video games are all the worst.

>>386105075

Did you collect those Relics anon?

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>>386105084
DAMN, WITHIN A SECOND

>>386091368
You have to be 18 to post on this site.

>>386105175
All Plats, my man. Even beat Oxide's Ghost on all tracks.

>>386105202
Anyone born even at the tail end of the 5th gen is old enough to post here you old man.

>>386105084
>>386105090

>One second apart

MK64 is shit-mind

>>386104916

Resident Evils/Dino Crisis
Tenchu and Tenchu 2
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken 3
Bushido Blade
Omega Boost
Symphony of the Night
Alundra
Silent Hill
Policenauts
Vagrant Story
Metal Slug X
Tictacs Ogre Let Us Cling

>>386091368
I can't think of any games this gen that are better than the majority of games during gen 5

>>386105412

Breath of the Wild

>>386093363

You're right about the Saturn, but you're a fucking cocksucker and I hope you get fucked by the devil in hell for the bogus shit you said about the Dreamcast.

>>386105412
Fighting games are in a better place, arcade to PS1 ports were really fucky

>>386105471
>another generic open world game for the millionth time with some neat mechanics tucked in there
nah

>>386105605
Gameplay is still far above OOT and MM though

>>386091368
Current gen, gen 1, and gen 2 were considereably worse.

>Radiant Silvergun
Honsestly this game alone proves it's not the worst gen.
>FFIX
>Dragon Quest VII
>Tekken 2
>Bushido Blade
>Animal Crossing
>Doshin the Giant
>Nights into Dreams
>Ocarina of Time
>Majora's Mask
>Mario 64 / Kart / Party 3 / Golf / Tennis
>Mischief Makers
>Resident Evil 2
>Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2
>Mystery Dungeon 2
>Panzer Dragoon
>Twisted Metal

I mean holy shit, I'm not going to waste any more time on bait, but just wow. The list goes on and on and on and on

>>386097837
That was certainly a low point.

I have to agree with you with the Saturn. But the other two, you can go sodomize yourself with a burning hot steel rod.

>>386105769
>counting gen 1 and 2

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But I liked Spyro 3.

Ignoring gen 1 and 2, has there been a gen worse than current gen?

I like a few N64 games, B&K and Conker are the only ones that have aged well though.

A lot of people say PS1 games aged pretty bad, but I played MGS about two years ago for the first time and still thought it had a lot of charm to it.

Saturn just sucks because we don't live in Japan.

>>386105832
And I loved NiGHTS and Paper MARIO and Mario Tennis GBC, that doesn’t mean the gen as a whole isn’t the worst.

Time to smash the heads of little kids who didn't live through this gen.

>>386091883
If you actually believed this, you'd be hailing Saturn as one of the best consoles of all time, only surpassed by SNES and Neo Geo. Saturn had great 2D titles in general.

>>386093363
>Controllers
Saturn's Dpad is literally perfect, and has been the gold standard for Fighting Game dpads ever since. There was a limited release of USB Saturn controllers, and they were so popular that now EBAY is filled with counterfeits. Most third party fighting game pads are based off of the Saturn pad.
>Launch
Only in the US. Japanese launch went fine, where the console actually did very well. At the time, Virtua Fighter 2 and Daytona USA were huge, and Sega made tons of games that appealed to the Japanese audience without thinking about the US market.
>Awful first party titles
No. The big problem is most of Saturn's best games were 2D in a 3D era. Great games like Shining Force 3 go unremembered for this reason.
>Almost nothing but shmups and fighting games in the library
Saturn had a great lineup of JRPGs, Sports, Racing, Beat Em Up, 2D Platformer, Puzzle, and Lightgun games. It also had good console ports (For the time) of Quake and Duke Nukem 3D.

Dreamcast was also underrated and had an amazing launch. It lost momentum really fast, but the Dreamcast's first year was better than the entire lifespan of the Wii U. It's library is still better than Xbox One and PS4.

>>386103723
Absolutely true. Every gen needs to do something significantly better than the last. 8-Bit era added control pads. 16 bit era popularized saving, added more buttons, and had longer games. 3D era added, shocker, 3D games. 128 bit era added online play and media capabilities. HD era enhanced online capabilities and added functioning motion controls.

The only system in the modern era that actually does anything new is Switch. The other two consoles are shit, and deserve to be blown the fuck out for not doing anything new.

>>386104754
>Name a single good Sega Saturn game that still holds up today
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
NiGHTS into Dreams
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Soukyugurentai
RayForce
Darius Gaiden
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
DoDonPachi
Gungriffon
Gungriffon II
Gundam: Blue Destiny trilogy
Psychic Killer Taromaru
Virtual-On
Saturn Bomberman
Dragon Force
Bulk Slash

Yes the N64 was bad. The PS1 was great.

>>386105901
Current gen is by far the worse. I didn't think 7th gen could be topped at how shit a single gen can be, but lo and behold.

6 > 4 > 5 > 3 >>>>>>>>>> 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8

1 & 2 are too archaic to count.

>>386105090
>>386105084
>MK64 is the worst MK in the series
What the fuck, it created the template that every MK after pretty much copypasted. The jump from the SNES MK to MK64 was mindblowing.

1st Gen is worse by default since most games were barely functional at best.

>>386105901
Current gen has just started to hit its stride. It started sluggish, but you can’t deny that it is getting better. It also has its share of gens, and with 4 consoles, and beefier Pro versions of 2of those consoles, the 8th gen has at least 3 more years to realize its potential.

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4 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 5 > 8

>>386106116
The switch is a piece of shit
And is part of generation 9

>>386091368
*Most innovative gen

6th gen perfected the formula but 7th and 8th gen stagnated badly

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Nintendo effectively killed gens, and I'm pretty sure other companies just said "fuck it" and started releasing slightly more powerful, cash-in consoles, so I don't even know what you'd count a current gen.

>>386106116
>The only system in the modern era that actually does anything new is Switch.
It´s gimmick doesn´t seem all that great and there are barely any games yet, I´d hold off a little longer before putting it on a pedestal

>>386106201
>you can’t deny that it is getting better
idk, haven't really seen anything coming out soon or came out recently I'm interested in, they're mostly mediocre

>>386106170
No, it just looked that way. Every Mario Kart game other than 64 builds on the prior one.

SNES laid the foundation, GBA took that foundation and prettied it up and made more ambitious tracks. GCN brought the drift physics and feel of the game, and width of the track to 3D for the first time. DS refined the tracks and refined the physics, Wii had fun with characters and new vehicle types. 3DS added new mechanics, 8 refined those mechanics while scaling back Kart acceleration and drifting/items, and 8 Deluxe finished the refinement job.

64? It’s shitty barley animated sprites on a super-wide 3D course with rubber banding up the ass and horrible pacing.

It is shit. It is the true outlier.

>>386096395
Do you actually play video games or just learn about them on tumblr

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>>386104754

>>386106408
The Switch is the start of the next gen

>>386106467
64 added power sliding, 3D courses, 4 players and more items like the iconic blue shell. Leave it to a tripfaggot to be so fucking stupid.

>>386106570
What even defines the start of a new gen, anyways?

>>386106408
Current Gen is 8th gen. Current major 8th gen consoles released are Wii U, Switch, Xbox One, and PS4. Current released major 8th gen handhelds are vita, 3DS and its variants, and N3DS and its variants. Current pro version consoles that offer higher performance offered as concurrents with no exclusive library and not successors are PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

Not that hard.

And before anyone brings it up, no this is not the first time a console had its successor come out in the same gen. It has happened before and probably will happen again.

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>>386106742
I hate this industry. Can't be organized worth shit.

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>>386106274
4 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 5 > 8

>>386106695
The row of competing consoles
Gen 9 is going to be Switch, PS5 and Xbox One X

microshit is making the same mistake as nintendo did with the wii u in naming

>>386091950
but how does it emulate?

>>386104754
Elevator Action Returns

>>386104754
>Name a single good Sega Saturn game that still holds up today

Clockwork Knight, one of the best games nobody on /v/ has ever played

>>386106920
I wonder if they are going to put exclusives on the Xbox One X though, it seems pretty obvious with the "big" step in hardware, but it's fucking Microsoft so who knows.

>>386106467
SNES is fucking unplayable.

MK64 is one of the best kart games ever, you're just a filthy odorous cunt.

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If you replied to this thread you are mentally challenged and shouldnt be allowed on the internet.

>>386106136
This is objectively true.

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>>386107036
mah nigga

I first played this game on a fucking taito arcade machine emulator. Game is SO FUCKING GOOD and I have never seen it mentioned ONCE on /v/ in 11 years.

>>386107074
Take a look in the mirror anon

suck my big gay dick retard

>>386107074
So, you included?

>>386106662
>3D courses, 4 players
Is this anything worth praising the game for, really? So it came out on a system that could do 3D and had 4 controller ports. So what?
>items like the iconic blue shell
That's one of the worst things to ever happen to the series.

>>386107061
The likelier scenario is that their eventual successor, not concurrent, to the Xbox One (let’s Call it Xbox Two) will come out with its own line of Xbox Two Games, but most of the games released the first year will be marked as Xbox One X Two games with new cases and banner, meaning it plays in the X and the Two.

Then 3-4 years later, only Xbox Two games get released, and the Xbox Two X gets announced, again no exclusives but games run better on it than the Two...

So the cycle continues. That’s the Only way I can think of MS moving beyond generations as they say, while allowing everyone to upgrade at their own pace and no one being left behind.

>>386106116

>Every gen needs to do something significantly better than the last.

No they don't. They just need to make it profitable and worth getting over the last generation of consoles. It's the bare minimum of making an upgraded product that is compelling enough to get over the last one.

>>386106695

Traditionally, it was basically the release of new hardware which was to compete with each other within a short period of time (1-2 years). Each would have better computing power than their predecessor console along with completely new hardware and the release was clearly not a slimdown or rerelease of a console. That typically would indicate a generation and it was somewhat clear cut how to mark products in a generation.

The PS4 Pro and Xbox One S has challenged that notion because they technically are still 100% compatible with PS4 and Xbox One titles but have spec upgrades without a restructuring or complete rework of what a whole new console would do.

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>>386107062
>SNES is fucking unplayable.
For a casual like you, maybe.

>>386107062
>SNES Unplayable

Get good casual.

>>386107316
>The likelier scenario is that their eventual successor, not concurrent, to the Xbox One (let’s Call it Xbox Two) will come out with its own line of Xbox Two Games, but most of the games released the first year will be marked as Xbox One X Two games with new cases and banner, meaning it plays in the X and the Two.

The fact that you think this is a likely scenario is fucking hilarious

>Hi, don't buy our new console, no reason! oh, consumer confusion +1000% by the way

you are actually fucking stupid. every stupid person who comes here types their stupid fucking thoughts out like they have any validity

/v/ was basically always bad but now it's bad and infested with STUPID people who were born in 2001

>>386107062
>SNES is fucking unplayable
Holy hell, what a faggot.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13620785

>>386107547
>Implying PC hasn't been dominating since 7th gen
Consoles are dead. The only good games today you can play on your pc and just emulate everything exclusive from 6 gen and back.

>>386107316
This seems contrary to Microsoft's push of Xbox on Windows. Like why continue making "high-spec" console hardware if you want enthusiasts on PC anyway?

>>386107398
>>386107404
>>386107463
Hook it up, play it now. It doesn't hold up. It's the worst MK with MK for the GBA coming in a close second.

You have embarrassingly bad taste if you believe even for a moment that the original Mario Kart is a good game relatively to the rest of the franchise.

>>386107547
This is kind of unfair, Switch is obviously going to do so assuming PS5 will come out two years from now.

>>386107756
Anon, I grew up with MK64.
I only got around to playing SMK within the last 5 years or so.
SMK is the better game by far.

>>386107676
PC has been dominating since 1995 when Kali came out. Console games honestly pretty much stopped being relevant a very very long time ago.

>Be making mods in 1996
>Console users first get the ability to PLAY mods in 2006, 20 fucking years later

hilarious

>>386107796
The Wii U came out a whole year before the PS4 and we saw how that went

>>386101270
ps2 is massively overrated, sales numbers do not a quality console make

>>386107913
But it was doomed to fail since it launched, Switch is actually doing well.

>>386107927
nah, pretty much easily the best console of all time. huge library with all-time greats in nearly every category and more genres than any system had ever seen by a mile

>>386107987
But will it keep doing well?
Nintendo hasn't released much since it came out, probably going to lose steam because of this

>>386107927
>best selling
>biggest library
>perfect backwards compatibility

>>386107927
>sales numbers do not a quality console make
To a certain extent, yes they do.
Developers will put their games out on the console that's selling best, and a large library with many quality titles absolutely does a quality console make.
And the PS2's library is fucking massive. Shitloads of amazing games in there.

>>386107927
If ps2 had gamecube's multiplayer it would be easily 10/10. it's still the best console though.

>>386108289
>If ps2 had gamecube's multiplayer
What do you mean? Four controller ports? There's multitaps for that.

>>386106476
No I learn about them from /pol/

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>>386108289
>gamecube's multiplayer

ask me about the time that i created 6 pc gamers by playing goldeneye on gamecube 1 time

>>386106467
>"prettying up graphics" and making more "ambitious tracks" is more significant than re-imagining a game from 2D to 3D and introducing new features that remain as core staples to the game's mechanics
Do you like to shitpost about OoT and argue it's the worst in the series as well?

>>386108438
The only GCN GoldenEye was Rouge Agent. Of course your friends literally would have preferred to play anything else anywhere after experiencing that shitty EA game.

>>386109024
Then why is Double Dash closer to the original than 64?

Face it, 64 is shitty.

>>386109024
>re-imagining a game from 2D to 3D
No, it only went from pseudo-3D to 3D. It's nothing like the jump from 2D to 3D Mario or from 2D to 3D Zelda.
It takes absolutely no effort or imagination to figure out how a mode 7 racer sequel is going to work in 3D. You don't even have to change any mechanics or anything.

>>386109286
Thank you. First 3D entry was indeed DD, NOT 64.

>>386091368
Saturn was sabatoged by Sega of America. All of these games came out on Saturn in Japan, but not in the US.
>Symphony of the Night
>Suikoden
>Policenauts
>Samurai Shodown III
>Samurai Shodown IV
>SMT Devil Summoner

Also, many of the US games were rushed incomplete betas, while the JP and EU versions were finished products (When the EU even got anything)

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>>386107676
>>386107907

Playstation ruined modern gaming. Everyone knows it.

>>386109767
Hi MovieBob.

>>386092374
t. underage

>>386091368
Best gen for having fun with friends. I know, social anxiety disorder is quite common these days. But playing alone together over the internet isn't just the same.

>>386109718
>implying ALL video games didn't go shit
There's no reason to play anything beyond 6th gen. And I can play all of those on my PC without buying anything.
>b-but muh cinematic visual stimulator a-are good games

>>386092349
I have a PS1 and N64 and I haven't even bothered to unpack my PS1 since the last time I moved. Meanwhile I was playing Perfect Dark just last week. Every decent ps1 game, which there aren't many, got re-released on other consoles.

>>386109097
>>386109286
>>386109397
Sorry that you didn't experience the jump from SMK to MK64.

>>386111258
Sorry retard, but the jump from pseudo-3D to 3D is just not significant conceptually.

>>386091368
for consoles absolutely, but it was during the GOAT PC years

>>386097529
>RE3
>Metal gear solid
>Dino crisis 2
all these multiplats

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>>386104916
>N64 games stand the test of time.

>>386113693
Yes, the difference between 2D games and 3D games are far more significant than the differences between pseudo-3D games and 3D games.
It's like the jump from Doom to Quake or from Galaxy Force to Star Fox or something. Okay, so the graphics in that old game weren't 3D, but the gameplay already basically was, so nothing really needs to be all that different.

You'd have a much better argument with F-Zero X due to how properly 3D those levels are with not caring much about gravity and having loops and tube levels and shit which simply would not be possible in mode 7 pseudo-3D, but Mario Kart 64 does virtually nothing with 3D that could not have been done in pseudo-3D.

>>386111767
>>386114537
>pseudo-3D to 3D
Tracks in SMK were on a flat 2D plane. Tracks in SM64 were on a 3D plane - the topography was sloping and there were, hills, bumps, etc. You could jump down onto a layer of track below, or someone could be directly above you in battle mode. This changed the game significantly for obvious reasons.

>>386091368
discussing the worst games ever is as pointless as trying to discuss the best ones ever

>>386105832
Spyro 3 just made me wish I had an N64 at my house instead of my grandparents house, I probably would have enjoyed PS1 JRPGs but I didn't know about them so I was just stuck with shitty western platformers like that and Croc 2.

>>386114494
use your childlike sense of wonder to fill in the frames

>>386113474
>implying the crappy PC ports that came out much later are even worth mentioning
kek

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I'm from europe and I never understood why americans liked n64 so much. Only one of my friends had one I think and it always seemed so pale compared to ps1.

>>386104581
>Ocarina
not even the best N64 lonk, and a worse ALttP
>Bing Wahoo 64
outdone by Galaxy
>Smash
trash

>>386091665
aka everyone

>>386114932
>the topography was sloping and there were, hills, bumps, etc.
SMK already had bumps, and only a tiny handful of areas get much use out slopes.

>You could jump down onto a layer of track below
You could, but the course design rarely has a part of the course going over another part of the course, or if it does, that intersection is usually blocked off.

>or someone could be directly above you in battle mode
Fair point. Battle mode areas, or at least block fort and double deck, actually take advantage of 3D in a way not possible with flat maps.

It's not really about how it affects gameplay though.
I just take issue with bringing up the change to 3D as if it was some monumental undertaking or really innovative idea that required rethinking the entire thing from the ground up, when really for the most part it's the exact same shit with the most obvious changes and additions imaginable.
I mean, the word "re-imagining" was used. That's just fucking retarded.
ANYONE could come up with "it's like Super Mario Kart, except because we have the power of 3D, there are slight grades." Wow.

Gen 6 was the best by far, that's all we need to know

>>386116210
>transition from 6th to 7th gen took us from best to worst gen
What the fuck happened?

>>386116313
Slacking after a huge success

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>>386091368
Worth it

>>386116313
Graphics.

>>386116313
The rise of western developers and the fall of Japanese ones.

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>>386116976

>>386113474
Not on N64, late on PC, what are you gonna play them on, Saturn? Do you just categorically not play any games that aren't exclusive to one console?

>>386091950
no way, sega's best console was hands down the dreamcast. only bad thing about it was the beyond shitty controller.

Don't mind me, just trying to remember my ps1 games


GTA 1 and 2
Jumping Flash
Worms
Mega Man Legends (x2)
Azure Dreams
Front Mission 3
Metal Gear Solid
X-com Terror from the Deep
Discworld
Loaded
Vandal Hearts
Final Fantasy 6, 7, 8 and 9
Theme Park
Theme Hospital
Driver
Darkstalkers 3
Suikoden 1 and 2
Colin McRae Rally
Wild Arms
Wipeout 1 and 2
Parodius
Tobal Nr 1
Alundra
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Harvest Moon
Street Fighter EX
Battle Arena Toshinden 1, 2 and 3
Tekken 2 and 3
Resident Evil 2
Silent Hill
Syndicate Wars
Gran Turismo
Grandia
D
Vagrant Story
Colony Wars 1 and 2
Doom
Star Ocean Second Story
Oddworld Abe's Odyssey
Parappa the Rapper
Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3
Armored Core
Breath of Fire 3 and 4
Jade Cocoon
Alien Trilogy
Guardian's Crusade
Incredible Crisis
Saga Frontier 2
Sim City 2000

>>386117992
Alundra was so good. It's so criminally underrated. Too bad they shit up 2 with 3D cancer just like Nintendo did to all their RPGs.

>>386101270
i really doubt that.
while i don't necessarily agree with it, i cannot picture a future in any reality where the playstation 2 doesn't go down as the GOAT console, even amongst the retards on this board.

>>386091368
This is because of Zero Punctuation isn't it? You can literally twll /v/ DOES indeed watch all this stuff because it suddenly pops up as a revelation all over /v/ whenever one of these youtubers starts e-thuggin'

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>>386113474
Are you retarded? STILL not available on N64. Id rather play a multiplat than NOT play it at all you fucking chump. Also where?? PC? Years after and who the fuck had a decent PC to play video games in 1998??
>FFVII *also on PC
>10,000 copies sold infact!

Funny how for the 90's everyone acts like we could afford decent gaming PC's thus rendering the PSX victory worthless, but then fast foward to 2001 when PS2 is selling well and suddenly we cannot afford a simple DVD player anymore and we all need thr cheap PS2 not for games! But merly for DVDs... Why did we suddenly all get so poor regarding home electronics /v/?

>>386116060
Underrated post

>>386091368
N64 the worts of the 3? no...
goldeneye
both banjo games
perfec dark
mario 64
mario party
super smash brothers
sin and punishment
mario kart
the legend of zelda ocarina and majora's mask
pokemon stadium
paper mario
1080 snowboard
starfox 64
killer instinct gold
yoshi story
f-zero x
turok
harvest moon
jet force gem!n!
etc

>>386120436
>goldeneye
>tooie
>mario party
>smash 64
>kart 64
>stadium
>starfox
>yoshi story
>turok
>harvest moon
Really scraping the bottom there, lad

>>386091368
1/10
Apply yourself

>>386092083
The ones that control awkwardly were all made by European studios

>>386117724
>Do you just categorically not play any games that aren't exclusive to one console?
I play on the platform that has the best port.

>>386091883
>dong bong country
>chrono trigger
vs
>crash 2
>chrono cross
all tight desu. SNES ones a bit tighter but also a bit less fun/interesting for other reasons.

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>>386120078
>10,000 copies sold infact!

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PS1>Saturn>N64,you know its true.

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>>386121760
>steam

Good job kid, but tell me how many THIS copy sold during the PSX era? How many did this copy sell compared to the PSX version? Retard.

>>386122020
>steam sales don't count
>retard because can't find eidos sales numbers
cool

>>386122496
Nah fuck off anon, we are talkig about a very specific gen. PSX ended its new copies of FFVII in like 2000, so fuck off with your bait. Steams version is completley diffrent from the PC orginal as is the PSX version, and exists in a diffirent time period. It can't be used to compare with the sales on RELEASE to talk about what sold better at THAT specific time. Are you dumb?

>>386121928
game?

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>>386122749

>>386122965
>only japanese version
shame.

>>386091368
You are a fucktard.

>>386097837
though the ps3 is the clear winner in gaming quality.

>>386122679
>Are you dumb?
I am.

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>>386110119
Silky smooth 9 fps baby!

>>386091368
>Gen 1
>Gen 2
>Gen 7

I've noticed a spike resurgence in N64's popularity and a proportionate decline in the PS1's, so it's no surprise to see Sonykids trying to sink the whole ship.

Gen 7 is far worse. Gen 8 would have counted as well if independent games hadn't finally moved beyond shovelware and pretentious arthouse shit.

>>386110119
>Every decent ps1 game, which there aren't many, got re-released on other consoles

Every major N64 game got rereleased on other consoles,there a ton of good PS1 games that are not multiplat and never got another release on modern consoles.

Atari jaguar unironically shits on every console except maybe the n64

>>386091368
Do you actually play games or retroactively bitch about all the time you ever wasted constantly?

Generational upgrades back then took mario from 2d to 3d, they took multiplayer from 2 controllers simultaneously to 4 controllers simultaneously in multiplayer

Console upgrades now take you from the last of us to the last of us remastered

>>386091368
For consoles? Yeah.

But PC and arcades were INCREDIBLE then.

>>386091950
I'm really like the saturn, I'ma let you finish, but the dreamcast had literally arcade perfect hardware

>>386126916
He's probably just a 6th gen drone pretending that its gen was any better

>>386127064
>PC were incredible

PC was always irrelevant compared to console gaming,in sales and especially in quality.

>b-but muh First person shooters

>>386127486
It's a shame they handled the Saturn so poorly. Otherwise they might have stuck around.

>>386127660
>PC was always irrelvant
>but muh games that prove you wrong

Just kill yourself m8.

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>the console generation where we transitioned from 2D to 3D games and laid the groundwork for the design of future 3D games is worse than the console generation that brought us microtransactions, always online, season passes, day 1 dlc, normalized paid online, and stagnated the advancmeent of graphic and AI

Do people just come to /v/ to say things that are the opposite of the truth?

>>386091368
True patricians would rent PS1 games from blockbuster or buy them from your local retailer, copy the disc to PC, return the game to the store, and then burn the iso to a CD-R and play on your PS1 using the swap trick.

>>386127842
What? PC at the time weren't made for playing videogames,most of the high sellers were stuff like Myst or Grim Fandango.

>>386127883
2D to 3D was a bad thing for a lot of genres but again the 6th and 7th gen is where standards went to the shitter.

>>386091368
retard

>>386091368
>>386127660
>>386128013
All I can say to your bullshit is 1998

Go to google, search for '1998 in video games'.

Tell me with a straight face that there has been a single year in this gen or the last with games of both the quality and quantity of 1998.

I thought so. Shut your dumb holes.

How the fuck is it not gen 8?

>>386128013
the 2D to 3D transition was more good than ban for game genres as a whole, and allowed for the creation of entirely new genres that wouldn't feasibly been made in 2D. Some genres didn't transition well but it's not like 2D games completely disappeared, in fact you could argue they got better and better as time went on.

>>386128164
You are quoting the wrong guy,i personally believe that the 5th gen was the second best videogame generation of all time (after the 4th),i was just criticizing the influence of PC games at the time.

>>386128013
>>386128460
>What? PC at the time weren't made for playing videogames,
final doom 1996
red alert 1996
quake 1996
diablo 1996
uo 1997
gta 1997
jkdf2 1997
aoe 1997
starcraft 1998
hl1 1998
rainbow six 1998
tribes 1998
brood war 1998
ut 1999
q3a 1999
sc3000 1999
rct 1999
tfc 1999
cs 1999
rogue spear 1999
tiberian sun 1999

That era saw some of the best games ever released from PC, take your anti-PC memes and shove them up your ass.

>>386128442
>but it's not like 2D games completely disappeared, in fact you could argue they got better and better as time went on.

They didn't

>>386128460
>first person shooters
>not highly influential on console games
you have to be actually braindead to hold this opinion seriously

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>>386128524
That's a spicy hot opinion bro.

>>386091368
you aren't even old enough to remember it kid.

>>386128498
>half of them are FPS

>>386128562
>not highly influential on console games

They weren't considering that the genre didn't matter a lot on PS1 and Saturn,maybe a bit more on the N64 but that's just because it was a mediocre console that was full of western games.

>>386127660
we got all your console games too, bitch nigga

>>386128794
PC got only bad ports at the time,FF7 with MIDI is just one example.

>>386128772
>They weren't considering that the genre didn't matter

Ok so you are actually braindead. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>386128915
Console got only bad ports at the time, Diablo and Starcraft 64 are just a few examples.

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>>386128794
>>386129060
Imagine being so starved for good games you would actually use a very inaccurate emulator like this that you also have to pay its also funny how PCfags are still starved for console games even today

>>386129120
Those were good ports for the time,stuff like FF7 having a MIDI soundtrack on PC was just embarassing.

I had both an N64 and Ps1 so that grants:

>Mario 64
>OOT
>Majora's Mask
>Mario Kart
>Mario Party 1-3
>Mischief Makers
>Banjo Kazooie
>Banjo Tooie
>Yoshi's Story
>F-Zero X
>Paper Mario
>Star Fox 64
>DK64 (fuck you)
>Pokemon Stadium

And then on the Ps1 side I remember having:
>MGS
>Resident Evil 1 + 2
>Crash 1-3
>Spyro 1-3
>Castlevania SOTN

And probably others I can't remember at the time. My dad was big into Final Fantasy, I never liked JRPGs and still don't. All in all it was a pretty good gen, gen 8 is still the worst.

>still playing tekken 3 on my psp
>unironically think that game mechanics are better than in tekken 7

>>386129327
Diablo and Starcraft ports were embarrasing even for the time.
The truth is most games at the time didn't port well on PC or Console, acting like PC only got ports during the era of Quake 3 and Brood War is disingenuous as fuck.

>>386129139
Imagine being so fucking retarded you think Bleem was the only viable PS1 emulator at the time or that PS1 emulators weren't heavily pirated

Imagine being so braindead you genuinely believe first person shooters weren't hugely influential on consoles when its been one of the most popular genre on consoles for over a decade at this point. Imagine being so underage you say the platform with the most games is starved for games because you're a deluded consolefaggot.

>>386129784
Imagine being so butthurt you don't realize that PS1 emulators back then outside of Bleem were basically unusable,imagine being so butthurt you think FPS were as much of a big deal on consoles back then compared to what they are now,imagine being so assblasted that computer games were nearly all shovelware and in a decade they will only be remembered and replayed by grandpas that had a shitty childhood.

>>386130073
You didn't even read what I said. You didn't even understand it. I'm laughing at you, laughing at you in all of your Bleem stupidity. You're a joke. It's actually comical.

Keep playing Bleem. I'll be over here laughing.

>>386130420
I read it,in fact i can also feel the immense butthurt emanating from your post.

>>386130073
>Imagine being so butthurt you don't realize that PS1 emulators back then outside of Bleem were basically unusable
Imagine being so underage and retarded you actually believe this nonsense

Imagine being so butthurt and assblasted over PCfags you take a thread about arguing over console gens to shitpost about PCs being irrelavent, trying to erase the influence of FPS pretending they were "not a big deal" despite FPS genre utterly dominating consoles since the turn of the millennium. Imagine being such an angry petulant little shit you try to argue some of the greatest games in the history of this medium are nearly all shovelware because you have to overcompensate for the shitty childhood you're still living through.

>>386130620
Imagine having such impotent rage you lose track of who you're replying to. What a worthless cunt you are.

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>>386126276
>Silky smooth 9 fps baby!
Hmm...does Goldeneye really run at 9 FPS? Or are our honest Sony friends simply "telling their truth" again?

>>386130878
>Imagine being so underage and retarded you actually believe this nonsense

Feel free to prove me wrong,that's right you can't

>despite FPS genre utterly dominating consoles since the turn of the millennium

So when the 5th gen ended? How does that prove that FPS were a big deal during the 5th gen on consoles?

>Imagine being such an angry petulant little shit you try to argue some of the greatest games in the history of this medium

You mean the more overrated games of all time outside of the shit that is coming out in the most recent years.

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>>386131181
>PROVE ME WRONG
Prove yourself right first you buttblasted consoletard

>>386131045
I was talking about Perfect Dark you retard.

>>386131181
>5th gen FPS was mostly on PC
>suddenly next gen FPS games explode on consoles and become some of the most played games on consoles
>b-b-but those games are overrated!!!! they don't count cause tehy're shit!!!! it doesn't matter if console fags play them!!!

do you understand how utterly retarded you sound?

>>386101270
How is he holding up the 3rd puppet?

>>386131689
They're all the same to the unrefined tastes of Sonyfriends

Console wars are the saddest thing.
If you are over 18 and unironically argue on this subjectively bullshit you should kill yourself right now.

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>>386091368
MOST. (PIC RELATED) EVER

>>386131696
We were talking about the 5th gen not the 6th,during the 5th gen console FPS were generally meh and not many people cared about them.

>>386097837
This was unfortunately when:

>Games were now gritty fps games, with muddy textures and generic orchestra ost
>Franchises from the 90s getting edgier reboots, only to flop horribly
>Good franchises from the PS2 started to die, or become horribly rehashed
>Games being bugged at launch (but don't worry, we have le 6gb patch xD)
>Nintendo systems became shovelware riddled thanks to motion controls and touch screens
>PC ports were broken as ass

I hate the 7th gen era, and I also hate this one too. I hope the Switch is able to change gaming to be fun again.

>>386101270
Ps2 is a great system but I have a measure of disdain for it. I hate that it was a huge factor in being a gateway for casuals to come in by the truckload and destroy the industry, and I hate how praised it is by said revisionist casuals on here who clearly started with the Ps2.

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>>386131970
>during the 5th gen console FPS were generally meh and not many people cared about them.

>>386132015
>Ninten drones
>people
>Halo
>5th gen

PC gamers

>>386118962
I recently gave it a try and it turns out that while the gameplay is good, the story of Alundra was actually shitty edgy atheist propaganda.At least Zelda had the good sense to remain neutral and not attempt to raise any serious theological questions that have no place in video games.

>>386132015
>game that was on a console that sold way more than the XBox and had very few games avaiable had better sales

Shocker

>>386132192
The thing is that the obligatory N64 buying game was Mario 64, not Goldeneye. The obligatory Xbox game was Halo.

>>386132304
The N64 had very few games,the Xbox had a library that was at least double the size and sold way less.

>>386132001
>a gateway for casuals to come in by the truckload and destroy the industry

Id argue this was since a Japanese company made video games as toys accessible to us so easily our parents knew to buy it for us as children. What? Did you think you were so not casual for playing with a childrens entertainment system your parents spent their money on? Kek.

Anyway, if you don't like that awnser id say 360 and its gen of copy paste FOS games taking center stage over everything was the real problem. Remmeber how it became so bad that the orginal MGS4 reveal trailer pretended to be an FPS game?

https://youtu.be/Jcfx3wkYUXw

Yeah, that happened.

If you weren't a fan of the Gran Turismo games, you are not a true gamer.

>>386091563
Saturn had a lot of fuckin gems. Eat shit, faggot.

>>386132001
PS2 was the moment japanese games became a minority and when videogames went to shit.

>>386132479
The only thing 360 did was capitalize on the new market created by the Ps2. You can deflect attention away from Ps2's original playerbase all you want to but when you get to crunching numbers you realize that post-Ps2, the industry ballooned up to 5x the size it was pre-Ps2. All of those little shits got on the train somewhere, and Ps2 is the only console that sold 150mil or so.

The Playstation boot up sounds puts my mind at ease. PS1 and Gamecube have my favorite startups out of all the consoles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIA0kaGFIhQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksZh-FHuKpk