[Spy death scream]

[Dead Ringer sound]

>>385074771
Medic nerf when?
Pyro/Spy buff when?
Heavy/Engie rework when?

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>>385074771

>>385074771
Heheheh. It's like christmas morning.

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>>385077183
>oldfags could actually look at this without vomiting

>>385074771
[Crocket outta nowhere]

ooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooh

>>385074771
You can tell it's summer because of all the TF2 threads

TF2 peaks when people sit around with nothing to do, so they remember TF2 and go back. Then they remember how easy it is to sink time into it and have fun.

I used to do it every summer almost religiously.

>>385077243
at the time it was basically the pinnacle of 3D

>>385077183
The spy was hilarious. Looked so out of place with the rest of Quake.

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>>385077183
NEXT GEN SHIT

>join payload
>get stomped by 3000 hour players wearing unusuals
>join 2fort
>have comfy time shitting on kids

>>385077514
he was basically an afterthought based on a visual bug lel

>>385077086
>Medic nerf when?
seconding

>>385074771
i wish there was a auto balance or shuffle in casual, stomping or getting stomped multiple time in a row is not fun at all and people rarely join the other team when most players quit the match.

>>385077858
Bring back autobalance
bring back scramble vote
bring back end of round scramble
bring back Spectate

>Strange Bacon Grease is $40
>Strange Frying Pan is $15

what

>>385077183
Why do they all look like they want to take a shit?

>>385074771
2f0rt is such a shit map
looks great though

>>385077183
HUH

>>385077572
EXCUSE ME

>>385074771
>>>385077858
>Bring back autobalance
Yes.
>bring back scramble vote
No.
>bring back end of round scramble
Yes.
>bring back Spectate
Why?

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What's the best TF2 map?

>>385078520
Hydro

>>385078520
Convoy

>>385078520
high tower

>>385078520
Snakewater.

>>385078520
Gorge

>>385078520

Balloon_race

>>385078520
Upward

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>>385078520
Turbine

Has any non-sprite art game stood the test of time aesthetically as much as Team Fortress has?

>>385078520
mario_kart

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>>385077572
>>385077183

i miss tfc so badly

i will never, ever have as much fun in a video game as i did conc jumping, rocket jumping and bhopping all over

it was so fucking fun

>>385074771
Engie is the comfiest class and the most strategic in terms of group-planning, therefore being both physically and mentally entertaining. The only thing im wondering is why haven't they introduced a new sentry type after all these years? They have the PDA slot for a reason, I think new buildings would be fresh as fuck

>>385074771
>chill as Engie
>Snipers duel each other all match

>>385078520
trade_minecraft

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>>385078884

This is a PS2 game

>>385074771
>not scout death scream

>>385078884
Mario Galaxy

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>>385078896
valve should give medic or scout a weapon that allows them to conc jump and bhop, at a cost to HP or damage

>>385078292
Why do YOU look like you want to take a shit?

>>385078520
Gravel Pit.

>>385079147
apart from very few exceptions, skill based movement is dead in games.

>>385079341
What does that even mean though?

>>385079430
games don't let good players move faster than bad players anymore

yes quake yes tribes yes 1% of games but it used to be much higher

>>385079049
kys yourself

>>385079341
TF2 actually still has straferunning and bhopping, it's just artificially limited. It wouldn't be too hard to put back in via weapon unlock

>>385078520
cp_hydro

>>385077489
>you will never live in that era and be blown away yearly

>>385078520
badwater

>>385081208
How so?

>>385077858
This and a time limit, sick of stalemates that last for 2+ hours.

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>Medics will defend this

>>385077086
medic nerf hopefully never.

>>385077463
it's been summer every month according to you.

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>>385081913
>crit
>crit
>crit
>crit
>crit

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>>385081913
>No reason to ever use anything other than the crossbow
>No reason to ever use anything other than the Ubersaw

>>385083149
I love both so it's not a problem for me.

>>385081913

I use this thing with my quick-fix and boy oh boy does it make me the king of pubs. constantly running around ubering everyone and topping them up makes me feel pretty good about myself.

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>>385083149
>main one of the most potentially repetitive classes in tf2
>only has 13 weapon unlocks
>only 4 of them are actually viable and not banned
kill me

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>>385083347
lol

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>>385078896
psst, hey kid

TF2 is horribly balanced which is why competitive mode will never work
casuals wont like that they need to play certain classes to win

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>>385082578
Hello.

>>385078520
Harvest

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>Dustbowl (VANILLA) is the best map
>Hydro was fun as shit, admit it
>Sandman should still stunlock people
>Vanilla minigun is best minigun
>some hats are okay

prove me wrong

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>>385078520


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16Kx9-Ys2s

>>385083849
then balance it
duh

>>385083963
>>Dustbowl (VANILLA) is the best map
>>Hydro was fun as shit, admit it
>>Sandman should still stunlock people
kill yourself

>>385083963
>>Dustbowl (VANILLA) is the best map
Too much waiting, too easy to spawncamp BLU, low ceilings and narrow tunnels prevent skilled players from showing off their skill
>Hydro was fun as shit
If you enjoy seeing the "next round" screen a billion times and alternating between stalemates and stomps, sure
>Sandman should still stunlock people
You haven't even given a reason for this
>Vanilla minigun is best
How is this meant to be bait? It's true
>some hats are okay
Absolutely

>>385083963
Iron Curtain is best.

>>385083963
I miss the launch FaN that would launch Heavies across the map

>>385083623
Why is the solemn vow banned?

>>385084190
well yeah duh
but they aren't going to do that

>>385078896
Play it early in the eastern/central time zone night

>>385078520
Why does Fitzgerald, Jr. need so many desks?

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>>385084373
>no Strange variant
>best

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>>385077183
>Medic was just a better scout

>>385078520
Coldfront

>>385085362
They really should've given the scout the super nailgun instead

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I hurt myself today

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>>385085116
>being an external validation whore

>>385086051
>Not tracking your kills for your own amusement
>Not being like the fucking predator
Free to plebs get out

>>385086051
My inventory is private. You can't see the total kills even on the killcam.

>>385078520
Gold Rush.

I just wish they nerfed medic heal/uber wise and give him an offensive buff

Dead Ringer Balance Suggestions:

Decrease volume of decloak
-While this was a good idea for the DR's inception, the general player's ability to pick up on and immediately react to this noise has made it a major detriment to using this weapon. While these detriments were offset by the DR's current design, I believe the proposed changes will limit the DR significantly and make it extremely difficult to be used as a tool of infiltration. Rather, Spies will opt to use this item when playing on the front line with their gun as the risks of decloaking in enemy territory are too profound being unable to recharge at a reasonable rate with half the enemy team swiftly closing in on you, especially in smaller maps like Turbine. I believe my next 2 proposed changes will offset the lowering of the DR's volume and keep it viable while not being as obnoxious to play against as it currently is.

Allow charging cloak on dispensers (and possibly destroyed building metal), but not ammo pickups
-Dispensers are very often placed in areas surrounded by the Engineer's teammates. Being able to stay near one for more than a brief moment without being fully cloaked would take a significant amount of game sense or a significant amount of luck on the Spy's part. I believe the Spy deserves a reward for being able to infiltrate the enemy's ranks in this manner. In addition, I believe the Spy should be rewarded for successfully doing his job as he is with the Diamondback. Destroyed building metal should continue to refill the Spy's DR cloak (albeit at a lowered rate), while ammo pickups should not (although the Spy should still be able to steal them to prevent the Engineer from using them).

1/2

>>385087351
Require the Spy to be below a certain health threshold in both percentage and a flat number before Dead Ringer will activate (still requires full charge)
Example: Lost 50% max health or ~60 HP to account for Conniver's Kunai overheal
-The Dead Ringer is currently an annoying weapon to fight against. Even when it's obvious to the player that the Spy has activated the DR, he can use it at virtually any time as a get out of jail free card and make a beeline towards the nearest ammo pickup to refill it and activate it again within seconds. I believe my proposed change will not only make the DR less annoying to fight against but make feigned deaths more believable yet more risky almost paradoxically. The Spy will be required to be lowered beyond a certain health threshold meaning he can't just activate it whenever he pleases which increases his risk of taking fatal damage, yet at the same time because the Spy has taken so much damage prior to activation the attacker may believe the Spy has actually died.

In Summation:
-Because the Spy didn't drop dead after taking 10 points of damage and there is a quieter decloak sound, the enemy team is more often tricked by the Dead Ringer than they are currently and won't attempt to pursue as vehemently.
-Because the Spy can no longer activate the DR whenever he pleases, he takes greater risk in the initial activation and becomes less annoying to fight against.
-Because the Spy can no longer pick up ammo packs and must rely on dispensers or building saps, his risk is increased and he is rewarded for being proactive and accomplishing his role.

Interested in you gamer's thoughts on these.

>>385078292
They were edited from the original Quake skin so they use his face

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>>385087351
>>385087416
Require the Spy to be below a certain health threshold in both percentage and a flat number before Dead Ringer will activate (still requires full charge)
Example: Lost 50% max health or ~60 HP to account for Conniver's Kunai overheal

-Take 49% of my hp 3 times
-Can't use it and die without an option

Also
-Now since I have to wait to take a shit ton of damage I now how to act even more retarded to take damage making it really obvious that I am gonna DR.

>Allow charging cloak on dispensers (and possibly destroyed building metal), but not ammo pickups
-The devs won't be able to differentiate building metal as specific ammo and just plain old ammo. But the recover from the dispenser idea is something I wholeheartedly agree with.

>Decrease volume of decloak

No, Being able to fake your death is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too valuable even given the "off-sets" you gave. The sound should stay, allow to only get a recharge off of dispensers or resupply, and should have a timer (say 15 seconds) even if you have a recharge (less it was from resupply) to prevent spies from using it.

Please relook over your dumb suggestion.

>>385089759
>Take 49% of my hp 3 times
I didn't say in a single hit, anon.
>Now since I have to wait to take a shit ton of damage I now how to act even more retarded to take damage making it really obvious that I am gonna DR.
You could also trick the enemy into thinking they caught you and start shooting at them until you can activate it.
>The devs won't be able to differentiate building metal as specific ammo and just plain old ammo.
Dunno if this is true but you may be right, would be a real shame if so.
>No, Being able to fake your death is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too valuable even given the "off-sets" you gave
With the fact that you HAVE to rely on dispensers (especially if you can't pick up destroyed building metal), I think the sound is now way too high of a risk in the vast majority of situations. Not only are people going to be looking for you often (even if it is less than the current design hypothetically), but the sound is going to tip off anybody else that didn't already hear them call spy over voice. It's already risky enough to be shitting around behind enemy lines with only a disguise. Combine that with the proposed YER changes and the retarded spawn wallhacks that will never be removed and the DR is just kinda fucked.

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>>385089759
>>385090075

>The devs won't be able to differentiate building metal as specific ammo and just plain old ammo

That's literally how the fucking Beggar's Bazooka works right now.

>>385090134
We're talking about the metal you pickup from DESTROYED buildings, not dispenser resupplies.

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>>385084480
Solemn Vow is ostensibly banned because in competitive play, one of the skills Medics practice is "Uber counting", ie: keeping a running total of the enemy Medic's Ubercharge in your head, based on when they last died, how much Uber you have, and whether they've been getting crit heals and healing efficiently.

Solemn Vow pretty much removes this skill by letting you see the health and Uber of enemy players outright, for no downside that matters (Oh no, 0.08s slower swing speed,) so it makes TF2 marginally less skillful. It also takes away a job that Spy can do, since seeing enemy Uber is normally Spy's thing.

However, 6s players already have an app that lets them count Uber anyway, Uber counting in itself isn't really that difficult, and Spy is shit anyway and Solemn Vow doesn't really impact his viability.

So the real reason Solemn Vow is banned is that, according to their own TFTV post, http://www.teamfortress.tv/41213/may-global-whitelist-changes they aren't sure what it will do to the meta if they unban it. An irrational fear? Probably.
>>385085107
It's a family business with a serious nepotism problem.

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>>385084701
They're balancing weapon unlocks for Competitive now. Who's to say they won't balance classes for it?

I'm almost certain that they'll target some of their Pyro changes to competitive play.

>>385078520
pl_rainbowride

>>385090075
>I didn't say in a single hit, anon.

Ok then explain it better, because at this point the reader can not understand your idea.

>You could also trick the enemy into thinking they caught you and start shooting at them until you can activate it.

But no one is going to believe an unusualfag or someone with a shitton kills on their stuff is going to just causally that they are going to walk into the frontlines without cause.

>Dunno if this is true but you may be right, would be a real shame if so.

Given their track record this is probably the truth.

>With the fact that you HAVE to rely on dispensers (especially if you can't pick up destroyed building metal), I think the sound is now way too high of a risk in the vast majority of situations.

I think the sound is fine. And being able to either wait for your next feign or hang by a friendly/enemy dispenser is good enough. Being able to fake your death and have super ARMOR during the entire duration is maybe too powerful of a tool. Now we won't get spys just circling round ammo pick ups for days and speeding around.

>>385074771
>[Tf2 death scream]

After medieval update

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>>385091090
yeah no
the game didn't die just because you left, retard
https://steamspy.com/app/440

>>385091005
>Ok then explain it better, because at this point the reader can not understand your idea.
Sorry mate but you're the odd man out here, posted this in a few other places to no confusion.
>But no one is going to believe an unusualfag or someone with a shitton kills on their stuff is going to just causally that they are going to walk into the frontlines without cause
You won't necessarily know the situation he's in and may just believe you happened to spot him with his cloak down. Also keep in mind plenty of high-level spies just shoot niggas.

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>>385081208
>>385078553

Yes.

what was that older tfc weapon where you shot green goo and it exploded into smaller blobs of green goo?

Is TF2 still worth playing?

>>385092559
no

tf2 is dead

>>385092353
no such thing
you are likely thinking of that bio weapons from UT

>>385092559
alone? nope, bring people to fight against people somewhat skilled

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>>385077086
>rework

?

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"Cloak yer way outta that, ya filthy spook!"

OG Partyvan (when active, and Mike is actually online) > redsun.tf > OG Partyvam (When active and Mike is not online) >>>>>> that aborted attempted at a new partyvan > all other tf2 servers

prove me wrong

>>385092683
Heavy is a pretty bad concept for a class, he's boring both to play as and fight against

Both him and sniper (or at least the sniper rifles) shouldnt have been in the game

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>>385078553
>>385078619
>>385078668
>>385078735
>>385078761
>>385078806
>>385078812
>>385079238
>>385081261
>>385083917
>>385087020

this and 2Fort

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>>385092683
Engineer and Heavy are both weak on offense and too strong on defense, which creates stalemates and prevents people who do enjoy them from being full-time viable

They are also both poorly skill indexed and Heavy is basically just not fun to play for 99% of the community

>>385093127
>defensive classes not good at offense but good at defense
Gee who would have thought?
I'll give you that heavy is boring as shit to play though.

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>>385093180
I'm saying that being a "defensive class" is shitty game design. There shouldn't be "defensive classes" at all, or offensive classes either for that matter.

>>385093180
That's the problem though a class shouldn't be useless half the time, expecially not in a game with only nine classes

When are they going to fix flame particles

>>385093953
Never

>>385093953
i have a hunch they'll replace them with a jiggleboned cone object

>>385078520
harvest

>>385091946
>Ok then explain it better, because at this point the reader can not understand your idea.
Sorry mate but you're the odd man out here, posted this in a few other places to no confusion.

Why lie?

>>385094364
sure bro lets add more fucking physics

>captcha now whats me to click on the hats
i cant even fucking

>>385094413
>>>>>>>>>harvest
>easily camped spawn
>ridiculously skewed to soldier YET has a stupidly low skybox ceiling so you can't make really high fun jumps
>most of the map is flatter than a DFC
>attracts shitters

yeah no

>>385094778
>sure bro lets add more fucking physics
can't be worse than fire particles though

>Join server
>team and class selection screen
>hear a collision sound, followed by a blood splatter
>Spy death scream
>everything goes silent
Every single time

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>>385094864
normally when I join a server the main thing I hear is WHIIIIIIIIEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>385093397
good thing you aren't a game designer then

>>385094847
particles should be less heavy on performance
but i understand what you meant at first, some kind of fixed cone rather than what we have now

>>385093397
>>385093564
If every class was useful all the time there would be no point in having different classes

>>385078520
Halloween Harvest or Sawmill (can't remember its proper name if that isn't it)

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>>385095034
Why? What's good about having dedicated defensive classes?
Don't try and tell me that 99% of the playerbase doesn't find Heavy boring as fuck. Or that Engineer can't cause stalemates at the drop of a hat once you get 3+ in the same room.
CTF used to actually WORK as a competitive mode in TFC. This was because although Engie and Heavy were as powerful on defense as they are today, every class (including Engie and Heavy themselves) had powerful anti-defense grenades, and the Medic was ridiculously offensively mobile.

But today in TF2 there is nothing to balance out the defensive element of Engie and Heavy. Which means all the symmetrical 2-objective game modes are simply broken and unplayable. So if we're not bringing back grenades and bunnyhopping, then Engie and Heavy need to be less defensive and more offensive.
"Defensive classes" is a bad design which locks players who enjoy those classes out of the game 50% of the time, and ruins symmetrical 2-objective game modes for everyone else.
>>385095214
I'm not saying every class should be useful all the time. I'm saying every class should be a good pick 50% of the time, and a bad pick 50% of the time, no matter what team they're on.

Right now Engie/Heavy are useless 99% of the time on offense and useful 99% of the time on defense.

>>385093127
engineer is not even that strong. He requires team protection to stay efficient but that rarely happens in pub. So he is an easy target
heavy and engie just need weapons designed for more agressive play

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I FOCUS
ON THE PAIN

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>>385095508
hey fuck you buddy, dont even try to pull a MUH TFC unless you can prove you played that shit
in TFC engineers was still fucking required to get a good push going which could be sustained with more dudes quickly piling on, even now thats relevant

also heavy is still useful on offense but it depends entirely on who plays him and how

>h-hey guys we give spy the ability to fake reload while disguised, that'll totally fix people falling for him

too bad they forgot the part where hes fucking obvious.

Had some guy talking about his balance ideas in chat, he didn't understand how spy checking worked and he said nigger a lot

>>385095579
>engineer is not even that strong
Stack 6 Engineers in the same room, with their Sentries evenly spaced out, and tell me that again.
Just because Sentries aren't literally indestructible doesn't mean that Engie isn't very strong on defense.

The lv3 Sentry is a 215HP aimbot (second highest HP in the game), that never misses, which heals for 131HP/sec, which has the second highest DPS in the game (578DPS), and is immune to all critical hits and status effects except being Sapped.

And that's all before taking into account the Rescue Ranger (which can whip away a Sentry just before it's about to die so you can redeploy it somewhere else), and the Wrangler (which makes a Sentry 66% tankier and removes the range restriction).

Engie is very defensively strong, and the more Engies you have, the worse it gets.
>>385095874
>dont even try to pull a MUH TFC unless you can prove you played that shit
pic, and what exactly is a "MUH TFC"? I'm just pointing out that CTF worked then and doesn't now
>also heavy is still useful on offense but it depends entirely on who plays him and how
Stock Heavy is not useful on offense 99% of the time, no matter who is playing him, in all two-team symmetrical game modes. If you're talking about Highlander they only run Heavy there because they're forced to, and besides, we don't balance TF2 around HL.

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>>385095508
When's the last time you've played 5v5 OvD ctf in TF2? Probably never. Of course you will cause stalemates with 3 engineers with sentries in one room. CTF only works with limited classes.
Not saying that you're wrong about not having a stronger offensive would help TF2 CTF, but you never used engi or hwguy in offense in TFC and you usually had a limit on them.

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>>385095874
forgot pic

>>385096208
>CTF only works with limited classes.
Even WITH 6s players' or HL players' class limits, CTF still doesn't work. They've tried it many times with different maps and no dice.

Why? Because Engineer is useful on defense but not on offense.

>>385095918
Forgot the part where nobody fucking knows that mechanic even exists and your gun has to be able to reload to do it anyway

>>385078520
It's 2Fort, fucking fight me.

>>385096160
CTF was always a god damm mess even back then and that just how it is

stock heavy is usefull no matter how you attempt to wriggle your way around it, he´s the big guy forcing the enemy off the main paths and is fairly fucking letal in general
you are entitled to your opinion but state it as that then

Why is this game full of retards?
I can literally go 30-0 while playing scout or soldier

https://youtu.be/2HjLN1TA3bc

>>385096951
Stop playing with bots

>>385083849
The problem is TF2 has always been 12v12 and balanced for 12v12, and now they introduce 6v6 and expect it to work

>>385096667
>CTF was always a god damm mess even back then
CTF actually worked then
>stock heavy is usefull no matter how you attempt to wriggle your way around it
On defense only, on offense Snipers fuck him up too much
>>385097462
It's simple, just balance it for 6v6
12v12 pubs will still work if the game is balanced for 6v6, and there's not that much that needs to be rebalanced for 6v6 to work anyway
Medic, Pyro, Engie, Heavy, and Spy need medium-sized tweaks, and 24 weapons need rebalancing. That's it

> people who go REEE when you cap on hightower
> people who go REEE at mini-sentries
> people who die to flamethrower and complain to W+M1
> spies who claim hacks when they keep doing exactly the same thing over and over and keep getting discovered

meet your match was a mistake

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yeah but they've fixed most of the big fuckups now
apart from bison, i liked the balance changes