This is the perfect example of why you never listen to gamers.

Sometimes, I wish I had shit taste. I wish I could one day just wake up a retard and be able to have fun with awful games like FFXII.

It gets worse. The director died of a heart attack around the time they visit Vira's village and it all goes to shit from their.

>>383665340
Get out XV-kun

It's a bad, incredibly unfun game with a shitty political plot that takes itself too seriously only to end up as another FF.
The combat system being extremely boring and needing to buy/find gamnbits just makes it even worse.

>>383665183
Needed more nonhuman party members, imo. You have this amazing rich world and its 5/6 party members being human. Fucking lame.

>>383665457
>whines about game autoing itself because of gambits
>whines about needing to buy and find gambits
Do you find any kind of sexual arousement out of your shitposting or something?

>>383665665
If the combat has to play itself, let me just configure the whole thing from the get go.

Is Balthier one of the best characters in a Final fantasy game?

>>383665370

>games are developed linearly with the story progression

What SE should have done:

Keep Reks and Vaan, but in addition to killing off Reks, kill off Vaan 10 - 20 hours later. Imagine how unexpected that would have been. We all knew Reks was going to die, but Vaan was the face of the game.

Vaan dying around that time would have zero effect on the overall story since he pretty much becomes a pointless background character anyway.

>>383665665
Or you can play it youself since the game doesnt forces you at any time to use them and you have absolutely no disadvantage on not using it.

>>383665796
Auron and him are forced "cool older guys." Literally gary stu characters.

Basch is vastly superior, as is Wakka.

>Actually can't decide whether to play it in English and Japanese
>Keep switching between them

Balthier sounds so good in the dub.

>>383665901
>>383665751
Fuck missclicked

this literally shits all over every other FF game

>>383665183
My big issue is the wasted potential. It could have been a 10/10 game, but instead it's only an 8/10. Damn shame that Matsuno had to get "sick" halfway through development.

>>383665901
Then the combat devolves into something extremely annoying and tiring because constant, real-time switching if you don't want your cast to auto-attack ad infinitum.

>>383665939
IM CAPTAIN BASCH VON ROSENBURG FROM DALMASCA!

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But how does it compare to FFXV?

>>383666040
>whines about having to spam the attack command on a FF game
Im sure no other FF game out of DoC does this right?

>>383665939
I agree with you but go to hell about Auron, he's the badass of my childhood.
Fuck Balthier.

>>383665891
>story writing tips from someone who doesn't know how to write a story and the only justification to kill off a character is because "it would be so random xD"

>>383666167
No, I'm whining about switching backl and forth the whole time while needing to control your characters.
Xenoblade does this ok, XII, not by a long shot.

>>383665183
It feels a lot like an MMO with the auto-attacking shit, so I struggle not to compare it against 14 - at which point I think 14 is the clear winner. It has better graphics, music, style, combat, job system - basically better in every way.

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>>383666040
>don't want your cast to auto-attack ad infinitum
But why ? It wins every fight, auto-attack and heal. Fast forward button.

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>>383665939
>Auron
>Forced cool older guy
Confirmed for not finishing FFX.

>>383665183
It is because a lot of autistic Final Fantasy fans hated it so therefore it became polarizing. This game to me is one instance in which the critics are way more right than the plebs on the internet. I would legit put it in the top 10 PS2 games for its time. Perhaps even top 5. It is better than FFX in many ways.

Story didn't grip me but I swear there was something about the VA besides Vaan that had a really grounded, mature vibe to it. Haven't heard it in another game since.

>>383665183
>Best battle system
That wasn't the original battle system, OP.

>Vaan isn't even that bad
You are clearly not very far in the game. When party members join, just to throw around their egos, then you will know why the game sucks.

>>383665939
A Gary what?

And wakka is cool. He made me feel like what it'd be like to have an older brother.

And fuck you man, Auron ain't forced nothing.

>>383666276
It wouldn't be that random.

Reks died to show the player that FF12 is a different kind of FF game and that war is hell.

Vaan dying would farther illustrate the point as well as show how Vaan is well in over his head, which is another theme of the game.

>>383665183
>>383665183
i've beaten yiazmat in the original version on ps2.

what have folks who have played that version say about the ps4 remaster? is it good? worth it?

any new bonus bosses ???

>>383665183
The game felt like an MMO, on an empty server, and I was the only person left still subscribed and playing alone

Have you ever thought you just have shit taste OP?

>>383666591
I don't know if i understood your point but what i disliked about every character is their lack of purpose or motivation in the event unfolding. It came a point of realization where i kept asking "Why is he still following the group ? Why is he still here ?"

Bash and Ashe : They're good, they have a goal and are motivated to fight for it.

Balthier and Fran : Already why are they still tagging along? What do they gain from helping the princess? Not treasure, not fame, just lots of danger. Didn't make sense, a character needs something more than "because it's the story" as a drive.

Vaan and Penelo : What the fuck are you doing here tier. Who even is Penelo? She's nobody she's just following Vaan and Vaan doesn't know what the fuck's happening.

Obviously i dropped the game but i went about halfway into it and it was boring as hell.

>want to buy the game solely for Penelo's ass

Bad idea?

>>383667278
Fuck that spacing.

>>383665457
He already said he likes it. You're too late, shithead.

>>383665457
>that takes itself too seriously

Literally hundreds of thousands of games at this point. Shit like TLOU takes itself super seriously and I always found games like that to be extra cringe. It depends on the game and the story it is trying to tell as well as agendas it may or may not be trying to push on the player.

To me FFXII doesn't try and force homosexuality on me through DLC so I don't mind its tone.

Either way, GTFO cunt.

>>383667328
nah, she has one of the tightest asses ever

the thing is, all three girls have 10/10 asses

IM CAPTAIN BASCH VON ROSENBURG FROM DALMASCA!

>>383667328
All the girls have great asses, you can't go wrong.

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>>383667595
>>383667683

I'll bite the bullet then. Thanks anons.

>>383666354
Why would anyone want to finish that overrated linear piece of shit anyway?

>>383667820

whats wrong with a game being linear?

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>>383665183
>Best battle system
>Vaan isn't even that bad

Always do the opposite of what 4chan says

>>383665183

FFXII is great. Why you would listen to the same board that loved Undertale is beyond me.

Vaan sucks and Basch should have been the lead like they originally planned.

Love the game though.

So... is this shit good? Should I cough up the 50 bucks and get it? Are the trophies doable or autistic?

>>383667914
careful, his simplistic thought patterns likely seize at complex questions like that.

>>383666315

It's more like 11 than 14 and more like a piece of shit than a videogame.

>>383668136
Unironically go back to r/videogames

>>383667335
"Reddit spacing" has been around on this site since before reddit was a thing people gave a shit about. Fuck off with this shit meme.

>>383665901
the way the battle system is designed is just like how 13's battle system is design in the sense that using auto-battle is pretty much the most logical option most of the time. In the case of XII the battle system it's like a boring MMO, so you assign gambits and let it play itself.

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Where is my PC or Xbox One version?

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>>383668002

>>383664282

>>383667278
I thought it was pretty clear Balth had a vendetta against the Empire. He tags along in a lot of the later parts just to fuck with them.

Vaan has reasons to tag along... no reason for the party to let him though. He was never the main character, but it's hard to let the player be Ashe when experiencing her journey would interfere with play agency.

Penelo seriously feels like 'fuck we need a 6th party member who's a girl'.

>>383668583
a year or so from now

The game looks just too high fantasy to me. It takes place in the same world as FFTactics and Vagrant Story right? Those two were more of a medieval fantasy world and I liked them a lot.

FFXII is my favorite fucking final fantasy. I can't fucking believe something like VII gets praised to death but XII gets the shaft. It's actually fucking fantastic.

>>383668851
only if you consider Star Wars high fantasy. XII's music, story and even the characters are all heavily inspired by Star Wars.

>>383668083
The fact you just asked about the trophies is autistic.

>>383669003
what? That's just insane. Large-empire takes over small-country isn't star wars. It's a story about men overthrowing gods-- how the fuck is that star wars inspired? Just because Baltheir falls into a loose Han Dolo archtype, doesn't mean theres any other connection.

>>383669130
gods=death star/sith

>>383665939
>Auron & Balth
>Gary stus
>when both fuck up/spend the game recovering from fucking up

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>>383666072
>implying these are even near the same tier

>>383669186
This is actually the dumbest thing I've seen in FF12 threads, congratulations.

>>383669029
I just like to finish my games and get my money's worth. Im sorry that I dont throw away my games after one playthrough like a faggot.

>>383667335
>Makes coherent paragraphs w/o greentext
You're like a retard being mad that someone is more intelligent than you.

>>383665340
FPBP

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>people are throwing $60 at a PS2 game

>>383666072

It's miles better than that trainwreck of a game.

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>>383671032
>you literally couldn't bother looking up the price before complaining

kill yourself senpai

>>383671095

https://ebgames.com.au/ps4-217210-Final-Fantasy-XII---The-Zodiac-Age-PlayStation-4

>>383671095

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/games-consoles/platforms/playstation-4/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/971030/

>>383671136
>>383671190

Nobody gives a shit about australians

Series question are there any other games like FF12 that polarize thier fan base in love hate? Like FF12 everyone either fucking loves it to death or thinks its a bottom tier FF12 I love it personally but so many people I know hate it. If it was as good as it was supposed to be FF12 probably would be my favorite game of all time.

>>383671220

https://www.ebgames.ca/PS4/Games/728895/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age

>>383671220

http://m.gamestop.com/product/ps4/games/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/147762

>>383671095

It's selling at a ridiculous price everywhere.

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>>383665183
>Vaan isn't even that bad.

He's not a bad character but he's a poor main character. The story would've been 100% the same if they cut him from the game.

Another reason why he gets alot of hate is because Basch was supposed to be the main character originally ( you can kind of tell as you play through the game ) But square-enix was afraid Japanese teenagers would be put off by a middle-aged protagonist for a mainline FF game.

>tfw I'm barely in the game and I feel like I fucked up everyone's jobs

>>383665183
That's nonsense, most people on /v/ claim it is in the top 3 best FF games.

>>383671032
It's 30 bongs over here

>stuck in a small town in germany
>closest place that has it is a 2 hour drive
>can't decide if I should just get it digital or not

Is the steelbook case for every copy or was it a pre-order only thing?

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>>383671649
Isn't there a scene 25% ish into the game where someone in the party straight up calls Vaan out on the fact that he's inconsequential to the story and has no reason for being with them and they just walk out on him during the cutscene ( even Penelo, kek ) while he's trying to give a reason for him to be a part of the group.

>>383665183
>he actually fell for the "XII is bad" meme
lad

>>383671649
I also would had liked balthier to had gotten fleshed out more. Like the guy used to rub elbows with the elite of the arcadian empire and was a fuckin judge but when you get to archadia he just walks away it is shown he still has influence to. It would had been nice to go more into how he could had progressed the story using his own contacts from within the empire to help larsa or work against vayne. And more balthier time is always a good thing.

>>383665183
>A drastically improved version of a bad game isn't bad

Hmm

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>Backup party members get LP
>They still don't get EXP
Why didn't they fix this?

>>383671857
I dont recall any scene like that but if you notice after raithwalls tomb Vaan rarely ever speaks and if he does it comedic relaf he doesnt do anything for the rest of the game till you destroy the dawnstar. Oh and hes the getaway driver something ashe or anyone else could had done.

>>383665183
The only fucking Final Fantasy game i've ever played is XIII, the first one not the fucking sequels of the sequel.

Is this worth adding to my tremendous backlog?

>>383672062
>Only ever played one of the worst final fantasys
wew lad ya FF12 is worth playing but you should also really give 4,6,7 a go as well.

>>383671949
Grinding is easy with 2x speed now so it's whatever

>>383665183
>Best battle system
Not if you've played the original FFXII, which had a shitty battle system.

>>383672159
Did you mean 4, 6 and 9?

i like how you can just get fucked by bats in this game even at max level and having retardedly good gambits and gear
this game fucking sucks, the music is boring, the plot is boring, the characters are boring
the only thing that's memorable is fran's ass and accent
and you could probably just listen to a bjork album and look at ass pics and get the same experience

>>383672239
I hated 7 myself im just recommending the main ones relax Friend.

>>383672239
9 sucks.

>>383669860
You're not truly finished with XII until you've done a perfect save playthrough, and there's no trophy for that you little bitch.

Gameplay-wise, it's good on paper but there is a lot to be desired. (my personal grip was save points were way too scarce) But I can't remember the last time when Final Fantasy didn't come with shortcomings so whatever. Story is weak but no story is better than a shitty drama.

I like this game solely because it doesn't have battle transitioning. Fuck that shit, it takes fucking 10 seconds in and out and sometimes the fight is over in one hit

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>>383672381
>insults the best game in the series
HOOOOLY SHIT STOP ROGHT THERE PLEBEIAN

>>383665949
Yeah, I really enjoy Balthier's and Fran's dub but I can stand Vaan's dub so I ended up with the japanese anyway.

>>383665183
Final Auto-Attack XII. Have fun literally auto-attacking for the whole game.

Garbage story, garbage gameplay, and garbage world.

Why does /v/ hate FFXII?
It is one of the best FFgames to this date.

Anyone else read the FF12 manga? It fleshed out everyones character gave more motivation to a lot of minor characters really shows how overpowered Fran and Basch are while Vaan and Penolo are straight dead weight. The main shame is it ends right after the death of the first judge but holy whit did it go out good. The guy that was making was told his funding was cut so he decided to go all out with the gore. It ends with them escaping and on Balthiers ship. Fran Basch and vaan are injured beyond belief in the fight Ashe had her fuckin ARM MELTED OFF by summoning belas Pennolo is trying to treat her wound while balthier is really really upset and annoyed at what just happened.

>>383672843
Every FF game after 9 is not worth paying for.

>>383665340
whats wrong exactly with having 'shit' taste? the more specific your tastes are the less things you can enjoy from the world. is it really so bad to be able to have fun with all it has to offer.

>>383671136
>>383671190
>au

Found your problem.

Is it coming to PC?

>>383665183
I wish it was on PC, I love FFXII but i let me nephew borrow my ps4. Damn. Kind of pricey though.

>>383672631
>best game in the series
>has a slow as fuck battle system
yeah okay dude

>>383665183
Vaan best girl, together with Fran.

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>>383665183
>NO SKY PIRATE DEN
>NO SAVE SCREEN
>NO ESPER SUMMONING SCREEN

REEEEEEEEEEEE

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I've found one critic I respect who loves it (Projared) and I've found one critic I respect who hated it (Razorfist).
Projared is a tabletop player who loves the franchise and played the first when it came out. Razorfist is a metal head with a comic collection who doesn't care for Final Fantasy outside of IV, VI, and Tactics.
"It plays itself" about as much as any entry in the franchise. It's a basic design premise in video rpgs that if you can automate repetitive inputs, you should. Baldur's Gate comes to mind. You can't automate magic or ability use in that game, but you don't really do it often/haphazardly enough to warrant it. You could just as easily play an all-melee party in that game and then the only thing you'd have to worry about would be consumables. There's not much of a reason to, say, make them click an attack button for each attack that each party member makes.
The appeal in FFXII is the lore, the story, the huge world with its fuckton of sidecontent, and the character customization you get in the IZJS.

Because of that shit game, we'll never get another Ivalice game.
Fuck Square Enix

>>383665183
IT IS a bad RPG, it is the first offline MMORPG.

>>383669860

if you compare the trophies with the game being worth to buy you are autistic. A game should be replayable even without trophies

>>383673645
>>has a slow as fuck battle system

>"i'm playing for the gameplay" cancer

>>383675368
If you don't play video games for the gameplay then what the fuck do you play them for?

>>383665183
>Get to Archades
>"Wow this is going to be soooo cool!"
>You just run around doing chores and playing Gossip Girl so people will give you some sticks

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>>383675715
Story, music, atmosphere and for the interactivity.
Most of the time i play on easy.

>>383675837
You do get to engage in the time-honored series staple of raiding someone's laboratory at least.

>>383665183
Why would you ever listen to /v/?

>>383665183

the gameplay looks a little bit boring, is there more to it than just running around and killing monsters? Or is the battlesystem that much fun?

>>383677710
As far as the battle system goes, it's not really distinguishable from old atb systems. Positioning is a thing, but positioning has little to do with a fight aside of aoe and stalling out attacks.
What's tedious in the old atb system is simply automated, and what requires your immediate decision can still be done as simply as before.

>>383665183
More importantly; does anyone here have high hopes to get a PC version? Because I sure want to play Zodiac Age but I don't want to buy a ps4 for that.

>Inb4 you can emulate ps2 version with high resolution packs

Fuck you I want the real deal.

>>383668583
just emualte IHJS

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Is Revenant Wings canon /v/ ?

Is the story remotely important for FFXII ?

I'm going through the Ivalice saga and while I already have FFT WoL and now FFXII Zodiac Age, I don't know if the rest of the games of the Ivalice Saga are just filler shit or if they are actually interesting or important to the storyline

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>>383665183
will they finish "Fortress" now?
i really wish they would make more games about Ivalice

>>383678238
its a crappy game, avoid.

>>383678085
you should get it eventually

>>383668583
emulate you stupid idiot

>>383678238
I played this ages ago and can't really remember how the story was. It takes place after FFXII so I don't see a reason why this shouldn't be canon.

Take this with a grain of salt tho, I enjoyed the game but I played it so many years ago i can barely remember it.

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>>383678085
Zodiac Age isn't even 60fps.

Emulating is vastly superior and achieves a higher resolution.

You're tech illiterate and shouldn't own a gaming PC.

>>383678238
Of course it's canon.
I haven't played it to completion, but it seems to actually develop Penelo's romance with Vaan.

>>383665340
This. Even devs knew the combat was trash, so they added fast forward button.

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>>383678545
It's more fun than turn based combat and it makes for great dungeon crawling, since all combat takes place in the same area.

The fast forward button will get you killed fast in many cases, but its great for grinding and removes any "chore" work from the game.

You can't say FFXII has shit combat in a series that has the "riveting" FFIV, FFIX, and others (slow turn based games with no customization or interesting combat mechanics).

>>383678726
>The fast forward button will get you killed fast in many cases,
Can't get you killed if you optimize your gambits, after that the game plays itself and it sucks.

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>>383665636
>given entirety of Ivalice to craft your game in
>lots of interesting races and species to potentially use as party members
>tons of possible zany background stories for said characters due to how expansive Ivalice already is
>make every party member human save a human with bunny ears
>give them all the blandest bog standard backstories
>even manage to make being a sky pirate sound boring

I will never understand.

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>>383678829
>Can't get you killed if you optimize your gambits

Simply incorrect, as late game areas throw enemies that reflect certain elements or react badly to spells being cast. If you autopilot in areas like the Necropolis of Nabudis you will die.

You can't say FFXII has shit combat in a series that has the "riveting" FFIV, FFIX, and others (slow turn based games with no customization or interesting combat mechanics).

What's the optimal gambit set up?
All I've done is made it so healers heal and everyone attacks the same target as me.

>>383678463
Would be nice to get a PC version, I've emulated the game many times before but I think a nice solid PC version would reduce some of the graphical issues the game has during emulation.

>>383678268

desu I hope they don't touch FFXII again unless it's something done by Matsuno. Rozaria would be nice to visit though.

But please no more Ivalice rip-offs like the Tactic Advance games and Revenant Wings.

The only thing I'd really like now was the ability to change costumes in FFXII HD. Equip Vaan with his sky pirate costume and penelo with her other costume. I can't stand their default look

>>383678880
it can help immensely if you set up someone to use Decoy and essentially take on tanking duties, and then prioritize status ailment and curing for that member.

>>383678726
>The fast forward button will get you killed fast in many cases
Stop lying. I only stopped using fast mode on some bosses, mostly optional ones.

>>383665370
f a k e n e w s

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>>383679002
if youre not overleveled, fast forward will get you killed in many areas, such as the great crystal or the necropolis.

FFXII was a huge upgrade over most other Final Fantasy games that teleported you to a turn based area, where you had little character customization and slow paced battles that usually involved auto attacking (except you had to manually select each auto attack).

>>383671854
pre order only

>>383665183
I was getting bored of FF until XII came along, never even finished X. The last great game in the series for me.

>>383678886
>ability to change costumes
wait what?
didnt know this was a thing there

>>383665183
Is there depth the character/party building. Idle combat can be extremely satisfying as long as I can watch my planning unfold. I loved carnage heart and built a full bot team for armored core v

>>383665183
Is it true that the game runs at 30fps on PS4 and the emulated version looks and runs better? Because after all the FFXII hype Im thinking of buying the HD remake on PS4 or emulating the translated international version.

>>383679357

It's not, it's just my wishful thinking

>>383679473

why does the frame rate matter for an rpg?

>>383665636
(((non human party members)))

Fran gets a pass for dat ass.

>>383668583
>Xbone version
C'mon anon FFX and the KH games never arrived on it

>>383665183
>using others' opinion to form your own opinion
It's your own fault. You are just doing this so you can blame others for your own bad decisions.

>>383668583

>expecting Japanese games on anything other than Sony or their autistic little brother

You made your bed anon

>>383679473
According to digital foundry the game logic is not framerate independent so I doubt 60fps would be achievable on an emulator without messing things up.
Really, I'd recommend just watching their video and seeing if you think it's worth it. For what it's worth the remake has dual classing while the original IZJS doesn't.

>>383665183
>y'all
Go back to tumblr

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What if
>mandragora crafting beast tribe

>>383678362

>emulating the inferior version

kek

>>383680726

>Sentai Mandragoras Hunt

I love this fucking game

>>383681004
This is ffxiv artwork though
i thought this was ffxiv thread, i feel foolish now

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>>383680592
complete lies, i emulated the game at 60fps and it plays exactly the same.

>>383680783
dual classes reduce the difficulty, and the "remaster" only runs at 30fps.

if you pay money for this "remaster", instead of emulating a better version for *free*, you are completely retarded.

>>383681437
It took about 30 seconds of research to find out that the 60FPS cheat for FF12 just doubles the speed of almost everything in the game. There's also no code available for IZJS, just the vanilla NA version.

I'm going to assume you thought that "Speed: 100% (60.00)" meant that the game was actually running at 60FPS, which is a common mistake because PCSX2's UI is misleading about that.

>>383665340
Kys yourself

Is it better to have the subclass be in the same sort of area of expertise as the main class, or better to go like knight white mage? Sorry in advance if this has been asked in thread don't want to look in case of spoilers

>>383671814
When you see the amount of shitpost and people saying it sucks, i really doubt you're right

>>383683287
Just use a single class you pleb, like the real players did years ago.

>>383666563

Yeah, FFXII is a divisive game. It's divisive because the story isn't told like an anime, and because of its offline MMORPG gameplay. Personally, FFXII is in my top five favorite games. Fuck what the plebs have to say about it.

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Who else got the Steelbook?

>>383680002
>Announce KHIII is coming to Xbone
>Have to get a PS4 if you want to play the remasters

What do they mean by this?

Seriously, this isn't some console war bullshit, what is the point of putting out the last game of the current storyline on a console that never had a KH game before if you're not gonna put the rerealeases of the previous games on the console as well.

>>383667106
Sounds cozy

>>383665939
It's true that Basch is cool and therefore the only good FFXII character, but leave Auron out of this. Auron is fucking great.

>>383678880
Get 2 healers and make that each one gets rid of specific debuffs and a dedicated decoy with double hp and shield and sword since it increases your survival chances dramatically.
Also remember to add the long range ability for characters you dont plan on giving them range.

>>383665370
their what?

>>383666990
Well considering that not all characters can equip ninja sword because of jobs, i wonder if its still possible to kill yiazmat?

>>383665636
SJW get out. stop trying to force diversity in final fantasy

>Vaan
He was always regarded as the player. Vaan just wanted to be sky pirate and get as let others have freedom because evil empire, but he is just "there" as story happens with other important characters and events in game.

In the end he is okay, but classic protags are better than any of the recent ones.

>>383684036
Here, totally worth it

>>383666826
why not kill off penelo then too?

>>383684389
He could always go with lure+reverse on his healer

>>383684036

Me. I love the artwork.

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>>383678726
>>383678879
>It's more fun than turn based combat
>You can't say FFXII has shit combat in a series that has the "riveting" FFIV, FFIX, and others
Tbqh the turn based combat in the past FF games were loads better than the fake mmo shit we got in FF XII

I kind of liked the gambit system though

>>383667278
>>383668724
clearly you two have never seen the greatest movie series in the history of movies. you don't give up on family. something dominic toretto taught us long ago. clearly they had all become closer than just mere friends

>>383678879
This really. Just replay this game last year and even when im using tournesol, zodiac spear and other strong weapon, i still need to thread carefully through necrohol of nabudis, the great crystal and pharaos of ridorana.

>>383665751

You can buy every gambit in the store. One of the changes from vanilla to IZJS.

>>383684484

Didn't they change ninja swords not be dark elemental anymore?

>>383684036

I did as well, nowadays I only choose physical versions over the digital if they come with a steelbook.

>>383668419
Reddit spacing is double spaced. Newfags complaining about it are Newfags.

>>383667278

Basch: Twin brother kills the king, frame him, and send him to jail. Basch is a high rank Captain, so he is deemed a traitor by the people he fought to protect.

Ashe: The heir from the king Basch killed.

Balthier and Fran: After Bhujerba (he only goes there to save Penelo, and would part ways with the party), he realize it's his father, Cid, that is doing some nethicite fuckery, so he decides to tag along. Fran is his lover.

Penelo: get in the party by coincidence, since she is held captive by Ba'Gamnam. But they had to cut a lot of content about her backstory. I don't know if they just didn't do it because the director left mid project, or if they just removed it.

Vaan: His brother was killed by Basch's twin brother too. After he finds Basch in the dungeon, he wants to know how deep the empire's rabbit hole is.

>>383681437
Considering that stats have been rebalanced around the dual class system the difficulty hasn't been reduced.

>>383669130

> It's a story about men overthrowing gods

But the god who was trying to set the men free from the other gods is the main villain.

>>383675925
So you're retarded casual scum.

so when is this being released on PC

>>383687950
give it a year or two

>>383665183
Welcome to the party, pal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyfGm6wXgs

>>383665183
>isn't even that bad
This is the best thing one can say about FFXII

>>383665183
>Vaan isn't even that bad.

that's bar being lowered after XIII's ridiculously garbage characters

>>383665340
fpbp. 12 is fucking trash

>>383687015
>Considering that stats have been rebalanced around the dual class system the difficulty hasn't been reduced.
Not true and there's the trial mode bug and you can play at 4x speed. Auto attack is even stronger now.

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This character is only playable for a short time right? so I can't also level up a job for him and such

>>383665939
>Wakka
>Good
How do you find a character whose entire dialogue is one big xenophobic speech good? He has no character other than being a blind follower of the religion that ends up being the actual bad guys.

I've never played a FF game so don't really know wtf I'm doing. I picked it up yesterday so only played up to where I got a sun stone. Combat is weird. Basically all I do is move away to avoid being hit then close when my action bar is full and repeat. It is kind of boring. Also the town is a bit of a nightmare to navigate for some reason. Plus it doesn't come with a manual so I have no idea wtf settings do or what the license stuff is all about. So far I'm kinda lost. Is there an idiot's guide to the basics??

>>383680592
>According to digital foundry the game logic is not framerate independent so I doubt 60fps would be achievable on an emulator without messing things up.
The goal of any FPS patch is to reverse those dependencies and it's always possible to do. Sometimes it's just harder than it should be.
> For what it's worth the remake has dual classing while the original IZJS doesn't.
You can use a save editor to do this, just so you know. The only thing a person would want in this remaster over emulating it, presuming they are willing to not be a lazy cunt about the save editor, are the visuals or the music. Both which aren't worth spending money on.

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>>383672882

>mfw it's true

>>383688191
>tfw I emulated the game and had him forever

>>383688315
can you even dodge attacks by being out of range? would the enemy attack bar not just sit at full until they're in range like the player's does?

>Vaan isn't that bad
Time lowered everyone's standards it seems, do you also think Penelo is a compeling character?

>>383686889
>But they had to cut a lot of content about her backstory
Are there any details about it or did they just mention that she was originally supposed to be expanded on?

>>383665939
Balthier is 21 you fucking idiot.

I honestly have forgotten why everyone hated this shit.
But i remember playing for 5h and then never touching it again.

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>literally zero(0) pictures or webms posted of this remaster on /v/

It bombed didn't it.

>>383688660
If that's true they really fucked up.

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>>383665370
"Vera", dumb fuck.

>>383671220
>You're wrong
>No I'm not, here are countries other than America
>I DON'T CARE ABOUT SOME PUSSY ASS OSSTRALIANS YEEHAW *shoots gun*

Americans' willful ignorance of the world around them disgusts me tbqh.

>>383675368
Nothing else in the game matters when every combat encounter is a 10 minute slog that makes me desperate to play anything else

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DON'T LISTEN TO /V/ONDORE'S LIES

>>383665183
>AMAZING soundtrack
You should play the original instead, because ZA ruined the music, just like FFX's remaster, but more consistently.

>>383665183
There's still no job switching in ZA, right?

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>>383688957
Stay mad, foreigner

>>383689681

Can't you choose between the original and remastered?

>>383689681
Seriously? FF12's OST wasn't even that good to begin with.

>>383671649
>put off by a middle-aged protagonist

he's 29 or something, how is that middle aged

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>>383689783
>FF12's OST wasn't even that good to begin with.

>>383689681

You can use the original soundtrack in FFX remaster, fairly sure that option is in this too

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>>383688754
It's a remaster of a decade old JRPG, there's not really much to show off until people get far enough to show end game double job shenanigans.

>>383689772
Yeah, you can.

>>383689961
Objectively the worst of the PS1 and PS2 era games.

>shit star wars story. It's a fucking reproduction.
>terrible boring battle system, at least spell queue is removed
>horrible grind for everything
>linear as Fuck with an empty overworld
>horrible sidequests

>>383671649

Basch is a boring static character. If he was the main character, FF12's story would have suffered for it.

and no, Ashe would have went full Dynast-Queen if Vaan were not in the party. Penelo is the useless one

>>383690038
>Yeah, you can.
Isn't it a first-print DLC?

>>383668573
You can configure what your party does in Dragon Age Origins ans and Baldur's Gate as well and those games are considered as masterpieces.

>This is the perfect example of why you never listen to gamers.
Fuck off politgon or cucktaku.

>>383690046
Except 8 is the only one of those with a better soundtrack.

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>>383690038
>those bars
lel

Post more pictures.

>>383665340
Get the fuck out bitch. OP is exactly right and fucked you over before you even started shitposting.

>>383690209
7, 9, 10, 11 all also have better soundtracks.

>>383665183
Is this even out yet?

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>literally hundreds of people in this thread complaining about an 11 year old game
It is proof that the better a game is, the more /v/ will bitch about it.

Something I'm confused about int he config menu, for the soundtrack selection

>original
>reorchestrated
>OST

what the motherfuck is the difference between original and OST??

>>383688437

maybe they might have made the guest characters from the original game permanent party members in the international edition? Is that what you emulated?

Can anyone clarify? is he permanent in FF12-HD and job-changeable like all of your other characters?

>>383690209
Strange taste, honestly. 12 had a similar 'generic' OST as 11 but it was worse. And other games had epic fantasy OSTs with amazingly memorable theme songs for towns and the like.

12 isn't -bad- but it's not fantastic.

>>383690137

Only for personal listening. You pretty much download the OST.

>>383690470
Nothing about Sakimoto's compositions is "generic". There's a difference in style between his orchestral work and Uematsu's synth-based work on the earlier games, but that's it.

>>383690439
No he isn't. You can use save editors on the PS2 game to do it.

>>383684920

>Tbqh the turn based combat in the past FF games were loads better than the fake mmo shit we got in FF XII

Man, nostalgia is a hell of a drug. FFXII is the first game where buffs and debuffs actually matter outside of FFVI and its shitty buggy status effects.

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>People complaining about a FF being linear or having a boring battle system
>People complaining about Vaan or Penelo not having a "reason" to be there
Why are you even playing FF then? They're all linear and with terrible battle design, most of the cast in the FF games also doesn't have a personal reason to tag along, in fact in some older games many characters were temporary or optional.
I don't get it why FFXII gets all of this bitching but all the other games except II don't.

>>383672631
>Best game in the series
>Not 3, 4, or 6

>>383690645
>not playing 8 and junctioning sleep on your attack

So unless you are a min/maxing fag, the job choices don't really matter right? I read from different people that everything in this game including all the secret bosses can be beat easily with any job combos right?

Also, how important is summon assignment? Apparently only certain abilities are linked to certain summons. So if i give a warrior class a summon that unlocks a mage ability, will i be fucked?

>>383689746
Please respond

I would buy it if you could change Vaan's outfit, he looks dumb as fuck

>>383690771
This isn't real, right?

Hey, don't get mad at us for your stupidity.

Play shit you wanna play and don't be a little beta faggot about it next time.

>buhu people dont like game i guess ill never play it
>buhu my ps4 is collectin dust i guess ill waste money on this game
>buhu i like this game because my taste is completely godawful

Coulda enjoyed it years ago and be in your own little world of awful, embarrassing taste and had a gay ole time like the little faggot you are, but no you couldn't do that.

You had to have someone ELSE tell you a game is good or bad.

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>>383690291
This version takes up a lot of space for the subtitles.

>>383690657
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 all have characters that have reasons to tag along, as minor as it is. 12? Literally has 2 characters that can be erased and the plot does not change at all.

>>383689746

You can choose a second job. Choose well.

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>>383690840
I'm kinda surprised too. The right side is a PS4 pro PNG capture.

Basically the game looks more modern during gameplay but the cutscenes are objectively worse looking especially due to the letterbox.

>>383689941

Japan is weird as fuck with age.

>>383690771
>>383690837
>remaster
>worse than the emulated version
square does it again

If only they changed the esper to act as a guest instead of vanishing my other 2 party members.
I'd even go as far as having recruitable guest characters from every race.

>>383666826

FF made it abundantly clear that war is hell in Final Fantasy Tactics.

Seriously. That game is so goddamn bleak, it's a wonder the devs didn't end up shooting themselves in the face.

>>383691089
>due to the letterbox.
And the shitty DoF and it being darker for no reason.

What is the best second job to buff the damage on my berserker samurai Basch?

>>383690590

Sakimoto is the biggest pleb filter my friend. Just forget about.

>>383690748

I junctioned Esuna or some other shit that gave a bunch of statuses. It was mostly just because, it didn't matter much.

>>383690889
Until the whole party gets relegated to be Ashe's personal butlers.

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Someone post more screenshots.

>>383665340
Go back to r/gaming, faggot.

>>383691654
>Original
>Hair and beard distinctly different
>Remaster
>Hair and beard look exactly the same

>>383689941

Japan looks at anyone after the age of like 24 maybe, give or take a year or so, as middle aged.

And no, that's not a joke. You are basically senile in your mid 30s/early 40s to them.

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>>383691156
>I'd even go as far as having recruitable guest characters from every race.
They might not have had access to the final source code to change things like that; Japanese developers seem to absolutely love deleting shit that they shouldn't.

>>383691654
I haven't been taking a whole lot but I can post a few.

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>>383690889
>4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 all have characters that have reasons to tag along
>4
Cid has zero reason to tag along, so do Porom and Palom, Edward stops being relevant after you get to Troia and Yang is a non character, in fact all of these were temporary in the original game, even Edge has no reason to tag along other than to repay a debt to Cecil for helping with his revenge on Rubicante.
>5
It has 4.5 characters, with Kryle being a forced substitute for Galuf, yet Faris still has little reason to tag along, in fact she has none at all outside of the fact that she happened to get involved in the main story and turns out to be Lenna's sister, she has no personal reason to fight Exdeath.
>6
So Gogo, Umaro, Mog or Gau have a reason to be in the party according to you? Not to mention Shadow, Relm and Strago. The only characters who actually had any direct connection to the main villain and plot were Terra, Celes, Edgar and Cian, even Locke is there by Terra and Celes' proxy and Setzer has zero reason to ferry all of them around.
>7
Vincent and Yuffie are completely optional and again, have no personal reason to be in the party and the game doesn't change one bit if you don't get them.
>10
Kimahri is completely, absolutely irrelevant.

Again, I don't get what the fuck are you people going on about.

>>383691871
Can you remind me when that cutscene happens? I don't think I have a screenshot of it but I can check.

Does the job you get for each character matter that much desu ?

I don't like the idea of having Balthier being a White mage or Basch an Archer since it kinda conflicts with the image of the character, but since there's a second job for each character, maybe I'll end up doing it.

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>>383692059
It's when Balthier "kidnaps" Ashe, so right before the Sandsea and Raithwall's Tomb.

Does FF12 have level scaling?

>>383684113
So people have incentive to buy a PS4 instead.

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>>383692176
No

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>>383692167
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DARK?

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>>383692167
I missed that photo op. Wish I hadn't.

>>383692273
>when you have 800 pictures of the game and don't have this one
I'm sligghtly triggered.

>>383691939
Cid is trying to find his niece Rosa. P and p are spying on Cecil, yang is helping to get revenge, edge is getting revenge and rydia is a qt. Edward is trying to escape from getting killed.

Faris Is protecting reina.

Gogo and Umaro are secret characters. Mog is avenging his entire moogle clan. Gau is is the first one.

Vincent and yuffie are secret characters. And Vincent is trying to stop hojo from more experiments.

Kilmarhi is yunas guardian and escort.

Sheesh did you even play the games?

>>383665183
FFXII is the ultimate love it or hate it game. I've never met anyone who just thinks the game is mediocre or alright, they always either think it's great or absolutely terrible.

>>383691748
>>383691104

that's so strange coming from a country with the highest life expectancy on the planet, you'd expect people there to consider themselves middle aged by their mid 50's or something, not early 30's.

>>383692625

the point he made is that you could remove the characters named and the story would not change. just change their role in the story with a key item.

Lightning from FF13 is the most egregious example of this

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>>383692539
Upload a .zip of your screenshots around Raithwall's Tomb and I'll try to take some comparing shots in the upcoming cutscenes.

>>383691729
Shut up 4chinner, we love 12.

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Last in-game cutscene one I have.

What do I make Fran and Balthier

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>>383692539
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9J8DMmy-q01TGFHYkFVanprYmM
Here you are.

I hope the eventual PC version lets us make it look more like the original. The pcsx2 version has really ugly motion blur but I like the clarity more than the remaster.

>Best battle system
Yes anon I also enjoy not doing anything while the game plays itself.

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>>383693263
Someone will probably make an ENB/Reshade that looks closer to the original.

Basch shoulda been the protag.

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>>383693575
Won't be able to unless there are options to turn off the blur and the letterbox. I think even if there weren't options someone would hex edit them out though, we'll see. Overall I'm optimistic.

>>383693727
Balthier*.

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>>383693263
Well, it's no surprise the HD version pre-rendered scenes look a lot better, minus the ridiculous size of the black bar at the bottom.

>>383694059
>CROPPING ALREADY WIDE SCREEN FMVs
LITERALLY WHY

>>383693295
epic i read penny arcade too LULZ

many people on here have said this is one of the better final fantasy games, you just chose to listen to the shitposting

>>383694153
Have to make them fit modern resolutions Anon ;^)

>>383694059
I get why they did this for FFX, the FMVs were 4:3. But these were already wide screen.

But why?

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Wow.

>>383692726
Don't believe Ondore's lies.

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I love the game but Ridorana Cataracts really puts my patience to test

>>383694183
>>>reddit

>>383665183
THEY LITERALLY ADDED A FAST FORWARD BUTTON

>>383665891
>pointless background character
>he still thinks FFXII is about the liberation of Rabanastre and not about Ashe specifically

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>>383694059
https://youtu.be/0Es35qoTfhQ?t=828
Just made sure it wasn't some zoom in thing.
They did drop it for some reason.

>>383694647
Well maybe it was zoomed in I can't tell.

Picking this up either tomorrow or thursday. Can I make a designated tank in this version? Looking to go tank with two ranged characters.

>>383694543
Oh nice. Maybe I'll finally be able to finish this boring shit.
Do you still need to do a series of arbitrary bullshit to get the zodiac spear or did they fix that too?

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>>383695475
>Do you still need to do a series of arbitrary bullshit to get the zodiac spear or did they fix that too?
You can open any chest you want now, but they changed the way you get the spear so you can't rush it anymore.

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>>383696149
Reminds me of the "immersive" skyrim enbs that turn day into night.

>>383694934

Make Basch a Knight of Oolan or whatever the fuck the name was and berserk the shit out of him.

>>383665340
Agree, the worst FF hands down.

Load PS2 texture in Photoshop > Double resolution > sharpen > Texturizer filter > Save > Close.

That is the entire process used to remaster the graphics in this game.

>>383666564
They recorded all the VA over telephone from britain, something in the recording equipment gave it a really unique sound that just works for some reason.

>>383696513
>Texturizer filter
Proper term is "emboss". Via PCSX2 you can force this to simulate texture detail.

>>383667278
Balthier has daddy issues. Vaan is running away, penelo is running after him, fran is chasing balthier and running from home

Whens the last time you took a hard look at your life and asked why you where doing everything youre doing? Theyre just going where theyre taken.

>>383695475

Nope, but the Zodiac Spear was nerfed to 141 atk IIRC, and you can only get it through trophy hunts, or on a chest on Henne Mines with 1% of spawning, but 100% of containing the Zodiac Spear. Chests spawn with only 1 screen away, and there's a 4x speed button, so it's not that hard.
But be aware with the trophy hunts. The monsters spawn only once, and they are the easiest way to get materials for the Tournesol.

>>383696712
>4x speed button
Now this is pod racing.

>>383673645
>ffo doesnt make you feel like part of a storybook

Im actually sad for you, maybe you just had to play it at least a little as a kid.

>>383678268
Id honestly rather them pull some magic time-teleport mumbo jumbo and make an ffxiv xpac in ivalice. Its already canon that other FF worlds exist in the same universe and that travel between them is popular.

why did Bash killed Reks damm... and the stupid of Vaan is working whit this idiot and i bet he never realized about this sand nigger betrayal to his brother

>>383697386

still the most nani design. stomach corset, mini skirt, bustier.

>>383697760
Play the game.

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>>383697561
"The World's End"
>Square-Enix presents the 5th and final expansion to Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

After driving the forces of the Alliance into the heart of Garlemond itself to deal a final blow to the Garlean Empire, the Heroes of Light hoped to bring a permanent peace to Eorzea; but it seems the Ascians are making their last stand and preparing to unleash their greatest weapon - the unholy summon, Zodiark. Rumors of an ancient relic existing beyond the colossal walls of Garlemond is the realm's only hope of stopping the unstoppable.

From the pockmarked, mutant-infested abattoir of the Nam-Yensa Catastrophe, to the towering, petrified jungle of Golmore; to the blinding salt flats of the Phon Coast and the vibrant deciduous valleys of the Paramina Rift, make your way through a land last inhabited centuries ago - shortly after the fall of the Allagan Empire - to the Ruins of the Royal City of Archadia in your search for the Dynast-King's Sun-Cryst. But beware - though the land has been abandoned by men, tales are told of beings without body that still haunt its halls, waiting for viable vital vessels. Discover the connection between Ascian and Occuria, revisit a realm undead, and stop Zodiark and Hydaelyn's enemies once and for all in "The World's End," uniting Eorzea and Ivalice as the true Realm Reborn.

>my heart when i wrote this years ago long before the remaster and ivalice raid was announced
There is a chance we get a semi-true sequel to FFXII (fuck you Revenant Wings).

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>>383696432
For some reason, the "Item obtained," "party member joined/left," etc. screen pushes the PS4 really fucking hard. I guess people typically don't sit on those screens so nobody in QA noticed that they were somehow poorly optimized.

>>383697901
oh shit dont spoil me

>>383694934
You could always make a designated tank but nobody did. The tools were always there, the "job" system just crops them for you by putting skills that have synergy on designated license boards and assigning them jobs (i.e., doing the roleplaying for you).

>>383672381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKBz1KsQY1Y

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>>383698194
>You could always make a designated tank but nobody did.
Hm? When I played the original version I had one guy tanking with that one spell that pulls aggro and defense buffs and such.

>>383688352
yeah dude i totally play games to mess up with save editors and reverse engineer the game to emulate them at 60 fps, thats totally me

Did anybody notice how XV almost completely copied their setup for the story from XII? Big empire forcing tiny magic based nation to sue for peace, said empire kills said king during negotiations, prince/princess has to fight back.

>>383698328
Good for you, but most people didn't.

>>383697918
I got excited when i read that. I like your ideas.

I want a "breaker" job that uses a handaxe and focuses on debuffs and physical dots