Are fighting games salvageable at this point or is there no room

>casual trying to talk about fighting games
lmao
dead thread

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>>383281563
Fighting games are coming into a great era. Capcom is getting called out for their bullshit and other games are rising up. There's plenty of interest and a diverse group of great games now, especially if you're into anime fighters. If the Melee autists finally fuck off, it'll be a golden age.

>>383281563

I don't understand the correlation between your image and your post. Are you trying to say those games are bad?

>>383282720
My bad should have said pic not related, well except for sfv.
>>383282590
I'm just hoping that DBFZ can live up to the hype and the new Arika can surprise the hell out of me.

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>>383282590
agreed, anime fighting games are amazing right now.

It's just a shame they'll never be as popular as street fighter and the like.

Maybe one day someone will cash in on making a non-anime fighting game with an anime style fighting system. MvC tried it but didn't really have quirky enough characters.

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>SFV is so bad! The online is horrible, there's almost no single-player content, the game is casualized, and the input lag is unbearable! I'm gonna play Tekken 7 instead!
>T7 has all of these problems

I enjoy and play both games, but why the double standard?

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>>383283337
>tfw don't know if I should import uniest or wait 2 months.

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Convince me to get BBCF over Rev 2

>>383283358
Because SFV is a good game

>>383283651
Get Rev 2, retard

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>>383283651
Get both, anon!

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>>383283651
BBCF is more alive if you live in Japan. Also arguably better boys

>>383283337
>Casualized and input lag heavy
>Tekken 7
It isn't a 2D game and this isn't the Zelda cycle. No one liked bounds or situational moves.

>>383284090
MEant for >>383283358

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>>383282590
This, SFV is the only fighting game struggling. Which with a some QoL fixes and online fixes would be passable, just not a great game. And even without it is getting more entrants than 4 did at EVO

Plus DBZ is going to be something special, that game could be the most broken shitty kuso ever and everyone will still flock to it cause DBZ.

Smash though is in an odd spot, this year has been a bit nothing for both melee and 4. Especially with melee even less can win now and with much less character variety, when it wasn't exactly diverse in those aspects to begin with. Unless they get some big push Smash could drop off

>>383284090
I was primarily talking about pumping up the Rage mechanic to the point of ridiculousness. It's one of the most insane comeback mechanics I've ever seen. And you can't dispute that the input lag is objectively high.

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DBZ is probably going to change the game, it's a big name so it's bound to attract new comers.

>>383284090
>It isn't a 2D game
It still has way more input lag than before, even JDCR and Saint have been complaining.
http://tekkengamer.com/2017/06/15/jdcr-saint-talk-tekken-7-input-lag-affecting-game-akuma-2d-players-advice/

>. No one liked bounds
Spin is basically bound with less options at the wall

>>383283358
people wanted capcom to lose the war...in the end they both lose lmao

Why is it that anyone who actually plays fighters thinks they're in a good spot and people who don't think they're doing poorly?

>>383284834
Because muh outdated arbitrary inputs

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>>383281563
Fighting games are literally in the best position they've ever been since the arcade boom.

Why do people keep parroting the "fighting games are dead" sentiment? Because they were told SFV is bad and that's the only fighting game they know?

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Who do you think is going to win each event, /v/?

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>>383283651
>tfw stuck with BBCE because I couldn't afford BBCF during the sale

Still people playing it, surprisingly. It's my first BB game so I'm hyped I can finally play as best girl.

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>>383285751
That's exactly it. The scene is evolving, and that's a good thing. There's a lot of new blood, and DBFighterZ should bring even more in.

>>383282590
>Capcom is getting called out for their bullshit and other games are rising up
You say that but Capcom is essentially the figurehead of fighting. If they ever drop out of the business then that's a fuck ton of fighting publicity lost because SF is used as a standard among the public.

>>383281563
Question time.
What are your top 3 favourite fighting games?

>>383282590
>Fighting games are coming into a great era.

SF2 sold more copies than every game in the OP picture combined.

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>>383286664
Absolutely. Only bandwagon meme idiots want Capcom to drop out of the fgc. Ideally, they would just make better games and show more respect for the fans. Also, it's good when multiple good games can share the spotlight

>>383286939
That game was released like a thousand times, anon.

>>383284393
>much less character variety
The character variety has been pretty much the same for the past few years, if anything variety in top 8's has gone up with wizzrobe and chu's improvement (c. falcon and ice climbers). And since Armada and Hbox are doing so well, it seems like fox dittos are less common now than two years ago, despite "fox only 20xx". If anything, it seems like a ton of non-fox players have stepped up their game, while the top foxes seem to be stagnating/having a mediocre year, other than mango/leffen/sfat, and even they've not been doing as well vs Armada/HBox.

>even less can win now
This is the bigger problem if anything, Armada/HBox combined are really dominant right now and are pretty strongly expected to take any event with them. It makes it all the more hype when someone beats them, but that's happening less and less.

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>>383286448
Street Fighter got coverage on ESPN for the first time recently didn't it? Even Sportscenter covered Washiga's famous premature popoff as one of their news bits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPOrcXSyRp8

I think if fighting games' greatest strength in terms of generating popularity is covering some of these famous players in the scene. The FGC has some really entertaining dudes in it, and a lot of them are becoming famous outside their scene just for how good they are. Hell Daigo's getting a manga about his life being made.

>>383283358
doesn't T7 have at least GOOD netcode?
why doesn't everybody just outsorce to arcsys

SFV is dying which hurts the FGC as a whole and there's no money in arksys games. People hate INJ/MK games so they'll never play them.

Tekken has big numbers this year but it doesn't matter till next year. The 'esports' side of FGC is dying and you really won't stop that.

>>383287790
I think this is why Tekken is getting less attention competitively, the numbers watching today were awful. The only players who stands out are Saint and Bronson when he gets the chance.

They need to do something to get more personality behind the players.

>>383287908
>SFV is dying
Has more evo entrants than 4 on it's best year

>>383288220
>less than half the entrants from last year
>doing well

Anon pls

>>383288220
SFV had a huge drop in entrants while SF4 showed nearly growth every year

>tekken 7 sold well
>injustice sold well
>KoF14 singlehanded saved the series
>blazblue is finaly dying
>guilty gear is getting more sequels
>DBZF is making fucking NORMIES interrested in fighting games


was there a better age for fighting games than now?

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>>383289215
sfv had stupid hype that would never last, even without the issues it would never maintain the same levels

If sfv is dying then sf4 was dead for it's whole life

> SF4 showed nearly growth every year
And SFV this year would be the natural steady progression of that growth, the first year is an outlier.

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>Street Fighter V

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>>383289567
>blazblue is dying
WHAT? Why? Is cf really the last game? I was hoping we'd see another one with the Guilty Gear graphics. There are too many great BB girls to lose

SFV definitely has a lot of issues, but why do
I feel like most people on /v/ are just pissy about no single player when single player is the absolute worst way to play a fighter?

>>383281563
Aside from the fact that SFV's entrants went down slightly from last year and Sm4sh is still making a nuisance of itself, I don't see what the problem is. These are all pretty good games for spectating other than Sm4sh and there is a larger overall fighting game community than there has ever been, why would you think they need to be "salvaged"?

>>383289950
Jubei will probably be announced at EVO or something, so maybe it will last a bit longer before becoming Jap arcades exclusive

>>383289950
Apparently there's a game coming for the Switch

>>383289950
From what I can see the crossover between GG and BB players is actually fairly small and BB is juts living in GG's shadow

>>383290402
isnt it just a port of CF?

>>383290547
Unless something changed last time I checked it was just a Blazblue game.
No clue if it's a port or not.

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>>383290512
She will never get a chance to be out of bottom tier

>>383289950
Ragna's story is done, Mori has said that he's putting Blazblue aside for now and that his next game won't be a fighting game. It'll probably get a revival eventually, with most of the current cast either disappearing forever or becoming story characters only.
>>383290547
It has the CF logo on the Switch website, but it just says Blazblue, no subtitle.

>>383290547
It will probably be that unless CFExtend gets announced

>>383283358
the only thing tekken 7 has casualized is normal throw teching and a new get up option to save casuals from being stomped on permanently

there's still a million and one things the game never teaches you like KBD's, get up options, command grabs breaks, hiddens moves etc etc...

why did no one mention mk

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>fighting games
>melee

>>383291841
A lot of people who take fighting games even moderately seriously don't care for NRS.

With SFV and anime fighters in decline, Melee is the only game saving fighting games right now.

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>>383290921
>she will never appear

>>383291841
because NRS is casual trash but not autistic enough for Smash players

So if Dragon Ball Fighters sells well enough wil Arksys start making more licensed fighting games?

>>383292078
>This non-fighting game is saving fighting games, you guys!

I don't follow.

>>383292216
smash is more of a fighting game than Mortal kombat.

at least you have to make your own combos in smash

>>383292215
One Piece time is NOW.

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Sm4sh's spot could've gone to an actual fighting game like Killer Instinct or Dead or Alive 5 or something. Anything could've been better than that shit.

>>383292215
i just want a sequel for the ps2 hoturo no ken game

>>383292402
>DoA5
>better than Sm4sh

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>>383292402
>Dead or Alive 5
>an actual fighting game

>>383292078
>Anime fighters in decline
How so? Blazblue is ending for story related reasons, it's still popular to play in Japan. Not as popular as like Gundam, but it's there.

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>No money to go to EVO and play ARIKA's demo.
But Garuda is so cool.

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>>383292078
Except Melee is just fucking boring at this point. It’s a stagnate community with a talent pool that has been set in stone for a couple years now. There is no realistic way to get into melee. There is no new blood coming into melee. There are no surprises in Melee.

Whereas the meme of only 5 players winning everything was true a while ago it isnt as of today. Effectively only 2 maybe 3 people (Armada, Hbox, Mango(?)) are winning tournaments and 2 of them have boring playstyles. PPMD is gone, M2K cant win a major with Armada & Hbox there, Leffen has never really been 100% since his forced break and Plup will likely never make the breakthrough.

So you are basically watching a tournament where you know the winners finals beforehand with 90% certainty. On the offchance that one of them fucks up the other one basically gets a free pass to the finals. The only possible alternative is the 1/100 chance Mango actually shows up and wins but even then Armada has to play bad for it to happen. If Armada and Hbox both are at 100% it is certain that one of them wins. And to top it all off their games arent interesting to watch and people have seen them over and over again already.

>>383292958
I hope they update Skullomania's design to be more like Heisei era Kamen Riders.

Showa design is fucking lame.

>>383292885
This. Also anime fighters have been getting ported to pc, which will help them gain popularity in the west

There's only room for growth. When fighting games get real crossplay and lag issues are sorted out, growth will happen.

Regardless, the genre is always kind of small due to fighting games being 1v1 matchups that actually take skill. People don't have teammates to blame for their failures, and they have deep learning curves.

>>383281563
I can't keep up with all the DLC

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>>383281563
Tekken 7 saved fighting games and is exposing the lame """FGC""" streamers like Max, LTG, etc as complete scrubs

>>383292215
Well P4A exists so they've already been making licensed games

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>>383286293
>tfw you'll never play the last one because you're on Xbone.

>>383293475
Do people even follow Max because they think he is a good player?

>>383293475
>There are people who thought Max wasn't a scrub before
Personally hate Tekken and don't understand why 3D is lumped in with 2D that strongly.
It's definitely a different sub-genre.

>>383293475
LTG was a scrub as soon as he lost to a blanka playing rose after talking shit

max is a youtuber who fanboys fighting games and gets viewers somehow that way

>>383289789
Was 2012 the year the Soulcal scandal happened where they found out two SC2 players were colluding and banned the series or something?

or did people just instantly lose interest in SC after 5 did the timeskip?

>>383287897

Tekken 7 netcode is stellar. It's apparently bad on PS4 but then again consoles are fucking shit anyway.

>>383284393
KoFXIV is also struggling due to its poor launch. It's much better than it was but it doesn't really matter at this point, it never recovered which is a shame.

KoF13 at its first Evo wasn't that far behind marvel and SF4. KoF14 is the lowest entrant tournament which is awful for a brand new game, especially from a franchise with such a huge amount of international interest.

>>383294093
>SC2
>Says SC5
you figure it out

>>383289950
I mean, come on. You got a fuckton of games.

>>383286939
DBZ will outsell it.

>>383294123
They even canceled their panel
https://twitter.com/MrWiz/status/883427669181841408

So much for steam port will save the game cause Mexicans play there!

>>383293963
>gets viewers somehow that way
Sheer amount of content. There is also personality, content and outlook and other things, but amount of content is the thing.

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>>383292216
debate this. prove any of this wrong, you can't

>>383294487
Sure. The one on the top is a fighting game the one on the bottom isn't.

>>383294487
>uses the word "spamming" seriously
made by a twelve-year-old confirmed

>>383294394
Honestly as someone who played 13 competitively for about 6 years 14 is really just boring and poorly thought out.

13 had LOADS of issues in terms of game mechanics (not balance despite what shitters think however), but 14 kind of pulled an SFV where it tried to 'simplify' things but just made the game much harder to keep control if you are actually the better player and it's much harder to be consistent in, with scrubby play being much harder to stop than it was and kof fundamentals being much weaker than usual.

It's a medicore game, but it's very boring. I'm not surprised the community died around it. I stopped playing it and I'm a die hard kof fan.

KoF games seem to come in pairs though, so I hope we can write this off as the KoF12/2003/97 of this generation of KoF games and the next game will build off the assets/lessons learned in the last game and come out with a good one. Seems to be how things usually go, just hope it actually happens.

Gundam Versus will save fighting games.

>>383294487
SFV is basically rock paper scissors. It's a very limited game.

>>383294487
I spoke to Leffen at a KoF tournament he was watching a friend at (he can play it a bit too) and he basically said Melee is 'mid level MvC3 wolverine divekick mixups except everyone thinks its really skilled'

You'll probably say I'm lying but it's true, he said the game is much more linear and braindead than everyone says.

>>383294848
It doesn't help that the community is in a weird place, people want to insist it is amazing and everyone should jump on board but no one actually wants to play it

If people were more clear and vocal I think bigger changes would have come, they certainly did for the graphics after people complained.

If we get KoF15 soon I can see all the people who tried to damage control suddenly jumping away from the game

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>>383294487
>crying about projectile spam

lmao

>>383294487
Compare Smash to Goober Gear or BlazGreen or something and not one of the worst fighting games of the last two decades.

>>383295152
You're right, I do think you're lying.

>>383292958
do they have the rights to ALL those ex characters? can i play as my nigga d.dark?

>>383295184
Yeah they definitely will, it's a retarded mentality and honestly I hate the people who do it. They have pushed a lot of good players out of the community by being incredibly butthurt over people making legitimate criticisms of the game.

As you say, when nakoruru was nerfed suddenly all the people saying she was fine shut up and then it was suddenly accepted that she was actually broken. I expect when/if 15 drops they'll do the same, and defend 15 no matter how it is.

>>383292402
it's refreshing to see people who post that tired meme have such shit taste

>>383294702
>>383281563
legit question, could the people in the community that have a narrow view of what fighting games can be help with the stagnation of the community. I hear the same thing about ARMS and I'm not sure where the idea that these arent comes from other than they're more different than usual

>>383293856
fuck no, people like him as a variety streamer

>>383295350
It is actually true, it was at EVO a few years ago. His old flatmate was a KoF player and they used to play together and he was there to watch.

>>383295620
I don't think fighting games are stangant and I enjoy them for what they are. No one calls over genres stagnant and they don't change much either. Why do people who don't play fighting games want them to change so badly? I don't like the shooting mechanics in counterstrike so I don't play it, I don't demand they make it more like Unreal so I can enjoy it.

Just wait until the LoL Fighter comes out. Pretty much everyone else will be wiped out in an instant. Specially if it
s F2P and there's PC/console crossplay.

>>383295898
I would like that to happen but there's been literally no word on it, has there?

>>383295898
>LoL Fighter
Didn't riot can that?

>>383295898
How would anything else be wiped out? People who don't play fighting games would probably give it a shot, but no one is going to leave something like SF or GG to play a game like that.

>>383282590
>>383284393
>>383286664
In theory, people finally getting off capcom's cock is a good thing, but it's not going to do any good if people still ignore new IP's.

Injustice is pretty much the only new fighting game IP that has caught on, and (even then there's a huge bias against NRS games, see >>383292052 and>>383292208), even though there have been other new ones that are actually good that have come up in the past 2 console generations. Pokken, for instance, is absurdly well balanced in terms of it's roster while still having each character play very different, and has very neutral, mindgame focused gameplay really rewards good fundamentals (basically doing what SFV was saying it would do, except not actually butchering the skill ceiling in the process), and nobody in the FGC gives a shit about it because they dismiss it.

KI is also great and it's honestly even less active then Pokken by this point. There's also obviously Skullgirls. The FGC needs to be willing to try new things or the genre is going to go down with the ship to to speak with capcom

>>383289567
>DBZF is making fucking NORMIES interested in fighting games
I wouldn't count on this. Casuals were hyped about Pokken and even moreso ARMS (not that arms is even close to an actual competitive fighter), but both had basically all of their buzz die on release (though pokken still has a decently active competitive scene).

I wouldn't be surprised if DBFZ went the same way Pokken did in terms of it's casual playerbase: Comes out, casuals play it for a week, realize they can't just fuck around as different characters and still button mash their way through and the game is actually competitive, and they stop caring about it

I don't think I can do this genre. I'd play SFV but it's fucking terrible. Yeah I'd win a few games and the butts were good, but I just couldn't come to like it. I'd play Tekken but the little bit I played felt pretty strange and it's clearly unlike any of the 2D fighters. Maybe I'll go back to it.

I was playing Guilty Gear, but my motivation started to flag after a couple hundred consecutive losses. It had the best tutorials, but real matches are simply overwhelming in things to keep track of, what defensive options if any are viable from moment to moment, and what kind of offensive play you should be making. I just get immediately curbstomped to the point where I'm lucky to not be double perfected. And despite doing literally nothing but losing in the most horrible fashion, even when I played ranked matches looking for other people in shit tier my rank kept going up!

>>383296058
It's still coming, no one knows when.
>>383296091
They bought the developers that made Rising Thunder and canned that instead.
>>383296174
LoL brand + Esport money = Fuck your brand loyalty. People will absolutely jump ship if it's decent at minimum.

>>383281563
Which Blazblue is that?

>>383295880
This really isnt answering the question, nobody hesitates to call Splatoon a shooter or pokemon a turn based rpg (cant think of any non ninty examples right now) despite things going away from the standard. Having games that drift away from the standard within a genre doesnt make the genre lesser, or undermine more traditional games within it, so I never understand the pushback

>>383289567
>BlazBlue dying is a good thing
>Implying BlazBlue is dying at all

I know you're butthurt that Guilty Queer lost Sunday slot to BB but don't make it look too obvious.

>>383296346
I kind of doubt it dude, but we'll see. At most I can see guys picking it up on the side to farm tournies like sonicfox does.

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>>383294487

the top one is a fighting game series

the bottom one is a retarded party game played by autistic crybabies who will never be compatible with the real FGC

>>383296393
CF. The latest one

>>383296393
The last one. Just released November last year.

>>383296403
Pokemon is inarguably a turn based rpg and splatoon is just a third person shooter with some different movement mechanics. We differentiate first person shooters and third person shooters as genres because of something as simple as a camera perspective and that's less of a difference than there is between smash and a traditional fighter.

Call it a platform fighter or something if you want.

There's also some biases because smash in particular comes with a community that some people take issue with. People were much more welcoming to pokken.

>>383296771
2D fighting games are 3D are also differentiated. The rotating plane changes a lot (for the worse).

>>383296227
>people finally getting off capcom's cock
Unfortunately not true, they still have the biggest game right now

>Injustice is pretty much the only new fighting game IP that has caught on
Nope, Tekken is finally going places in the FGC by breaking 1k entrants

>Pokken
Is not a good or interesting game. There is a reason it died in arcades before launch and then being stuck on the WiiU with shit online means no one was interested. It was about competent but not a good game.

>KI
Was stuck on a console no one wanted and the combo breaker system is ass

>Skullgirls
That game is like 5 years old and done. Of course no one gives a shit

>even moreso ARMS
You are delusional

>>383296346
>Fuck your brand loyalty.
>LoL brand

People don't play LoL because they like how the characters look. A LoL-based game that isn't a MOBA would do awful with the sole exception of gatchashit.

>>383281563

Why is there no KI at EVO?

>>383296921
>for the worse

No.

>>383297207
Lost the fan vote to UMvC3.

>>383296771
Honestly, I think this just shows that the reason is there arent enough non traditional fighting games that get popular.

They do differenciate between first and third person shooters. Or arcade races vs sim racers.

But since it's really just Smash, everyone just says "traditional fighters and Smash"

>>383297519
99.9% of Smash's popularity is because it's Nintendo characters fighting. The 0.1% comes from the unique fighting mechanics. Otherwise shit like that TMNT fighting game or Rivals of Aether would be huge since they have the same mechanics, but nobody really gives a shit.

>>383295152
that's the kind of edgy contrarian shit leffen would say

>>383282590
as much as i hate street fighter, capcom failing is not a good thing for fighting games. street fighter is the only legacy series that keeps people's attention. street fighter is simply the perfect mix of easy to pick up hard to master, whereas most other games are hard to pick up impossible to master.

MVCI looks like its going to be DoA in terms public perception and sales, and street fighter apparently is doing very poor in the revenue department. As much as its good to see other games recognition and popularity, NRS are still pretty much a joke to most people competitively, anime fighters are pretty much Jap exclusive due to the character rosters and style, and tekken is too fucking hard. the only games relevant enough to rival street fighter is smash and thats barely a fighting game

>>383281563

You should be asking if /v/ and online fandoms in general are salvageable at this point. We're about to go through an entire year where it feels like all I've heard is endless bitching and trying to denigrate every single game that came out all because people can't just accept that not everybody has the exact same opinion or tastes as them and need to attack and bait each other around in circles every day.

Here's why this thread exists, it's because EVO is coming up and no doubt people are going to do everything they possibly can to try to sabotage it for fans in any way they can (which I imagine means spamming chats with fake racism and making shitty threads about it wherever they're allowed), complain about every game on display, manufacture fake dramas that aren't even happening and post god knows how many twitter screencaps about it.

Yes /v/ every single game is fucking shit and dying to you, we've established this all throughout 2017, just move on and get a life or something fuck....

>>383296771
forgot to say that yeah the community sucks

>>383297757
you could say that for franchises on a whole though. Even this thread admits the people the DBZ game might bring in by brand is a positive

If the Naruto Storm games were handled by a competent dev they'd easily dominate.

>>383297124
>Tekken is finally going places in the FGC by breaking 1k entrants

Tekken isn't a new IP

>Is not a good or interesting game. There is a reason it died in arcades before launch and then being stuck on the WiiU with shit online means no one was interested. It was about competent but not a good game.
Why don't you think it's good? It seems to me that you are just demonstrating what I mean about Pokken being dismissed.

>You are delusional
I only brought ARMS up in the context of "just because casuals are hyped before release doesn't mean they won't go away a few days later", even when ARMS is a casual game to begin with.

>>383296771
>People were much more welcoming to pokken.
Not really. The majority of the FGC still dissmissed Pokken on the face of it being on a nintendo platform and the phase shift mechanic.

>>383297757
I think it's both

- It being a old series by this point
- It having a lot of content for casual players
- It being nintendo characters.

It's not just the latter part, or Pokken would be as big, but it's not; because Pokken has basically zero content for people who aren't playing it competitively.

>>383296227
yeah but pokken came out ONLY in the wiiu, nobody had a fucking wiiu back then

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>>383297124

>combo breaker system is ass

>>383297757
The reason we don't see successful Smash clones is because most either miss the point of what makes the gameplay fun(PASBR and TMNT) or try too hard to be Melee 2 and not just be a Smash clone( Rivals of Aether). Or are just plain bad (CN Explosion).

>>383298380
>look you can combo all these different things together
>wait, the bar says you can't anymore

>>383298351
Fair enough, but I don't think that's really the primary reason for it's dismissal

>>383289567
>>DBZF is making fucking NORMIES interrested in fighting games
what? normal fags always buy and play fighting games like the NRS games. they do the story mode and dick around with their friends then stop playing beyond that.

dbzf isn't some sort of massive game changer in terms of appealing to casuals, casuals dont give a fuck that the new dbz game has the guilty gear engine and the fact that its basically the first "true" dbz fighting game, if they wanted dbz games they've got plenty of them in the xenoverse games and theres a lot of shitty dbz fighting games already that satisfy their dbz needs.

>>383284393
>Plus DBZ is going to be something special, that game could be the most broken shitty kuso ever and everyone will still flock to it cause DBZ.
Except that nobody takes DBZ fighting games seriously since there's a new one shat out every eight minutes. There are a metric fuckton of games based on shonen trash and not a single one of them is notable.

Melee is a game that has been figured out and has four people playing musical chairs for taking first at any given major, which is why top 32 at Evo is a blast to watch while top 8 is fucking torturous.

>>383298923
this. It's going to turn out the same way pokken did in terms of casuals: They play it for a day or so, dick around in story mode, then realize that for MP they can't just button mash and they abandon it.

>>383299984
Game has an advanced form of autocombo that applies to all the strength buttons. Shit's gonna be fine for the casuals.

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>>383281563
I'll play whatever I want.
>Modern gaming
We need less casuals

>>383300108
Autocombos do fucking nothing. They might be fine for babies who don't understand shit and don't even try to understand shit, but those are entertained anyways when pressing buttons makes flashy things happen.
But for anyone who would actually try to Get Into fighting games, autococmbos are just a fucking waste.

>>383298878
Maybe no one enjoyed it? And they don't need a well developed intricate reason for that

There are lots of games that are probably pretty good that I look at and go fuck that. No one has to like these new games because they are new, people do try them especially the FGC and just go nah fuck that.

am I a shitter for playing Paul in Tekken

>>383300513
no, character choice doesn't matter
inb4 buttmad autists

>>383281563
Yes and no.
For high-end, competitive gamers, shit like >>383282590 has full relevance. Games are breaking away from the shitty mold Capcom established. It's a new age of innovation and games to stick your toes into.

For the casual gamer, no. The genera is more-or-less entirely focused on the competitive gamer, much like the rts, so if you aren't interested in getting gud, there's almost nothing for you.
The nail in this coffin is the transition to Warriors-style gameplay for cross-over and spinoff territory. You aren't getting a Zelda fighting game, you're getting Hyrule Warriors.

Key problem with fighters is that there are too many of them but too few players to support a good amount, high levels of insulation per game community, poor online presence and (at least in the west) an environment that makes it hard to really breed new players.

>>383300935
I disagree with that last point. The first fighter I went online with was SF4 back in '09 and I found there was a ton of info available to help me succeed and I had more compliment-mail than hate mail.

Obviously you have to lose a lot to learn the game, but if you can't handle that then you're not cut out for 1v1 anything.

>>383281563
Dragon Ball Fighter Z will save the fighting genre forcing the vast number of DBZ fans to git gud.

i can see arms maiking it into the fgc imo. it has a good meta and is actually unique. it sold well in its opening month and i really want to see how it goes in ev0 next year. there is going more content that is free and i hope that we can see more

>>383301194
In Japan you have full on workshops and beginner only tournaments and I think even leagues. Though of course the arcade culture in Japan facilitates this, but that's still no excuse to not do more for the western base (that really, without it fighting games in Japan would tank in console sales)

>>383300935
I agree, there are way too many fighting games for its own good.

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>>383283651
You can play the wolf man of big damage then cry because you don't have a dash. I really want to hop onto Rev2 but I'm poor. Not being able to play fighting games as I want to really kills your motivation to practice.

>>383290512
BB is bigger than GG in Japan.

>>383301618
Fairn enough. I wasn't aware of that. I think in the west people aren't willing to help themselves sometimes. They'd rather just dismiss fireballs as bullshit then move on.

>>383301343
I can't. I really don't see local tournament scenes popping up for this, even less so nationals. The only way ARMS will get a tournament scene is if Nintendo funds it completely themselves.

>>383282590
Second post, best post

>>383300935
>is that there are too many of them but too few players
Not everyone likes the same game

You remove BB they don't all go play GG they stop playing. The FGC has always been a collecting of small communities with small overlap

>poor online presence
Any game in the op you can get games easily

>an environment that makes it hard to really breed new players.
By having lots of people make guides?

>>383302393
Making those guides easier to watch from the game itself, and better teaching tools.

Like, imagine a "custom challenge mode" where players can make and upload their own combo trials and mission challenges (like GG's stuff) that can be used by new players looking to up their game without having to stare at training mode for hours on end. I think there's a game that did something like this but it was only for combos and through twitter, and also BB had a similar system but not as fleshed out.

>>383303383
>Making those guides easier to watch from the game itself,
Nigger do you not understand youtube?

I don't understand this mentality of if it isn't in the game I can't learn or find it. Every competitive game has lots of information not taught to you in game, and all of them are changing so any guide past the basics is wrong in a few months. Unless the devs constantly update it then it is useless, meanwhile new youtube guide of blog post is easy

>Like, imagine a "custom challenge mode"
Which would feature millions of horribly unoptimal combos confusing new players more. A video going here are the good combo use these is much better

>>383287790
Didn't Gootecks and a bunch of others get invited to play in the fucking white house as well?

>>383301652
I will lose my shit if Susan makes it to top 8. I like watching the guy but man is he fundamentally bad. Susan players have to fight against both their opponents and their own character. Fame and Piccho are both coming aren't they?

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>>383300183
Enkidu gameplay when?

>>383304245
Pretty sure they both are yeah. Also honestly Susan would be manageable if he had a regular dash. That's a bigger handicap than him having to unlock specials because his normals are fantastic and so is his damage.

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>>383304509
Not soon enough, he looks pretty rad.

>>383304509
If I had a say in how to buff Susan I would say cut the startup on his dash in half and allow him to keep the specials he unlocked with the exception of maybe the last three or 4.

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>>383281563

>smash two times, again

Why?

Also, I think I will watch just GG Xrd R2, Injustice, and KOF. Never played Blazblue, Tekken 7 is fun to play but boring to watch, and I have no interest in SFV.

>>383297998

/v/ is not about games, /v/ is made to complain about games, If you don't understand, please, fuck off.

>>383304143
The average gamer is lazy as fuck and won't look up outside material, specially so newcomers. And the FGC is split between Twitter, FB, and Discord making even harder for the common player to look up info for their character.

And Dota 2 has player made guides in game, so why not fighting games which arguably need them even more?

And "custom challenge" would of course have tagging and filters. Character specific, combo or challenge, how many people found that challenge useful, if anyone you know made or liked one, stuff like that.

The whole point is to make it easier for newcomers to get into the game, not by overly casualizing the game itself but rather making it easier to teach them and understand.

Only fighting game worth playing right now is Injustice 2.

>>383305429
>capeshit

>>383305028
I think most of it has to do with developers not having faith in new players. Like when you talk about the relationship between rushdown characters, zoning characters, Grapplers, and mixed characters. A lot of casual players just want to press the buttons and watch cool stuff happen. Or at least that's the prevailing thought. So if you can't get casual players to actually learn how to play the game then the only other step you can take it's fine Rewards for pressing the button and making cool stuff happen. Yeah the high-level players are going to adapt but they're not having fun anymore. And the new players are still going to get stomped by the high-level players so they're not going to have fun for long either. So the developers are kind of in a bind. Do you balance your game towards the high-level players and risk losing the casual player? Or do you balance your game for the casual player and piss off the high-level players?

>>383304638
Do we have any info on his playstyle?

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fighting games are the best they've ever been in a LONG time unless you're a capcbro

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>Tr4sh
>No KI this year

>>383286285
Armada wins melee

>>383294487
This is so fucking retarded 90% of smash normies can't even input a hadouken

>>383305028
>won't look up outside material,
Then they will never get good anyway cause competitive games do require it

>And the FGC is split between
You mean the FGC is fucking everywhere so you have no excuse

>And Dota 2 has player made guides
Which go over the basics, which fighting games already do. The ever changing shit that also develops over time can't be taught so easily.

>And "custom challenge" would of course have tagging and filters.
Oh but that poor casual who is too dumb to type "ryu optimal combos" will have to figure out which to look for then choose. Assuming they won't be a moron and want to do the hardest most flashy shit straight away like every new player.

What does it being in game actually change? That it gets a nice menu? You get a nice little ping sound for doing? It is not any easier to find cause everyone understands the internet

See this is the problem with this kind of mentality, a bad player who will never learn never looks up this shit anyway. How many people ignore tutorials in normal games? A fuck load it is why games are so easy now, there is no reason it is different here. Someone who wants to learn will look anyway, in or out of game means nothing. Did GG see a huge boost in players? Did KI? No and they have amazing tutorials.

if someone is too stupid to google they shouldn't play fighting games.

>>383306008
gg did get a boost in the west though.

>>383306008
>You get a nice little ping sound for doing?
Carrot-on-a-stick is a powerful mentality. Why the hell do you think people play so much Overwatch? They want boxes and will play or pay for the boxes even if they're only skins.

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>>383305616
Don't think so yet.

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>>383305616
Completely close-combat oriented with no projectiles whatsoever. He does however have some moves that allow him to just eat through projectiles to help him close in on the opponent. He's got a rekka along with a few other specials like a counter. His innate trait is that he deals more damage if he gets a counter-hit on you so he'll blow you up even harder since he's described as being a character who doesn't need to do long combos to win.

Why no new bloody roar?

>>383281563
anyone ever heard of that Chinese KOF knockoff that has k-pop Ryu knockoff and sakura clone? I actually think it looks kind of fun, but it won't ever release in the states probably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jc66zE89ks

>>383306705
Because Fuck Konami.

>>383306157
It went from not existing to doing sort of okay but never even getting close to significant. Its gains were not from the casual crowd but general FGC

>>383306343
Your comparison was getting stuff. Overwatch isn't poplar cause rewards it is popular cause it is easy

Plus fighting games are the opposite of carrot on a stick, you do a lot of work for a small reward so you have to actually care about getting the reward of I did something I wanted to not I got funbucks. That is even if a game had you ideas in it. When there is no longer a carrot the casuals will leave

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/99831120/arcana-heart-3-love-max-six-stars-2d-fighting-game/description
Don't know if everyone here knows, but Arcana Heart Six Stars is coming to PC through Kickstarter if anyone wants to support that.
No news on GGPO but hopefully they'll add it as a stretch goal or something.

>>383306815
>5k for any art you want
How much official porn are those 5 spots going to be comprised of.

>>383283337

I dunno dude, all my friends who liked SFV fell in love with GGXRD when I got them into it. Capcom fucked up hard trying to pander to everyone while pushing their shitty esports scene load of hooey

>>383281563
no one cares about serious 1v1 gaming any more and everything is team based. either let them die like rts or keep them niche and scale back the esport shit.

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>>383305697

Fucking this.

>SNK finally inovates without pissing of old players
>Netherhealm made 4 good games in a row. And that is the same company that changed name and got sold 2 times, and made the horrible Deadly Alliance/Deception/Armagedon/MKvsDCU games
>Namco made another great Tekken game full of content
>ArcSys is finally getting the love they deserves

The world is happy and bright to fightanbros. Only the capcom shills are in the shit, since they can't do anything right since SFxTK.

>>383307036
>New-age kiddies are way too irresponsible to ever let anything be their fault and resorts to team games
It makes sense

>>383307107
>>SNK finally inovates without pissing of old players
But XIV did just that, it is a casualised game and there has been a lot of complaints and people dropping it

>>383307107
Yeah, that sure explains why there's been an overall lower turnout for games all this year and shit sales figures every time. ARMS is the only one with any real success and that's because Switch owners are starved for games.

>>383307036
Team format is actually pretty popular in Japan for fighting games

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>>383307036
Say hello to Japan's top arcade fighter for years. 2v2, simple inputs, full 3D arena, more focus on movement and fundamentals than combos.

I just want DOA6.

>>383307036

Team games are shit. The only reason kids like this shit so much, is because they can blame others when they lose, instead of taking the blame thenselves.

>>383306680
>rekka
God I hate rekkas.

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>>383307269

>Injustice 2 is still selling a lot
>Tekken 7 got number 1 in UK sales chart past week
>casuals finally know that Guilty Gear exists

Only crapcom is sinking, anon. That's the price you pay for making incomplete overpriced pieces of turd.

F2P fighter. All characters are free, but you have to buy "quarters" to play online. Local MP is completely free as well with all characters.

>>383309234
>>Injustice 2 is still selling a lot
Yet tournament player count doesn't show this. The only one that's shown any real growth is T7 and that's because more people can play it and because it's the only 3D game around.

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>>383307269

>f-fighting games are dead!

Oh, I love the sound of capcomtards in denial.

>>383309641
Well they kinda are in Japan. Or at least on consoles. Even Bamco admitted that T7 did better in EU and US than in JP.

>>383281563

Everyone saw that the classic Capcom scam of selling you the same game over and over worked, so they started doing that, effectively making two scenarios:

-They either sell you the game over and over
-They sell you fucktons of DLC for the price of two games

Hell, even Smash did it and it worked. In fact, people only cared about Smash 4 BECAUSE of bullshit character DLC in the first place.

>>383298084
Storm games are fine though. They aren't designed to be competitive games and Ultimate Ninja series would fit the FGC better.

>>383310031
>Everyone saw that the classic Capcom scam of selling you the same game over and over worked, so they started doing that, effectively making two scenarios:
You mean the thing that ASW is arguably even more guilty off for years?

>>383310132
That's what I mean though. If they were designed to be competitive games but still kept the original feel of simpleness that makes casuals play it could easily be one of the most played fighters.

And Clash of Ninja > ultimate Ninja for fighting. Prove me wrong.

what kind of fightdick should I buy and what's the best way to learn how to use one?

>>383309590
>Yet tournament player count doesn't show this.
It's almost as if there is a difference between tournament players and common masses.

The thing is. Guess which party overall counts more for developer's income?

>>383310278
>And Clash of Ninja > ultimate Ninja for fighting. Prove me wrong.

Fucking this. It was THE competitive fighting game for Naruto the same way Super Dragon Ball Z was/DBFZ is going to be. I wonder why did 8ing stop making them.

>>383310645
yeah i sure love dead simple infinites

>>383310330
>what kind of fightdick should I buy
are you actually going to go to locals or not

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Fighting games are saved...

>>383311062
>are you actually going to go to locals or not
i'm going to play in my room by myself

>>383310645
I think they just lost the rights. But a proper new Clash of Ninjas all the way up to Boruto with GN4's gameplay on the Switch would be the actual fucking tits.

>>383286293
>BBCF during the sale
It's still on sale for 10 euros on EU PSN

>>383311231
then just use a controller like most american pros do

>>383311310
Maybe the dude plays on PC.

>>383311408
>then just use a controller like most american pros do
ok what kind

>>383311585
just a regular ass ps4 controller

>>383311870
i only have an xbox one and ps3 controllers.

>>383311973
what games are you going to play on what systems

>>383312049
shmups on pc

>>383311421
It's also 20 on PS4.
Were it 10€ on PC or 5€ on PS4, I'd might even rebuy that, even though I don't even play the game. Just so I wouldn't need to set up PS3 if I happen to get brain damage and feel like playing it.

>>383312049
most of my fighters are on pc. i do own an arcade stick, but i only started using it one the d-pad on my xbox controller started to wear on the right press.

>>383282590
Maybe.

The fact DBZF exists gives me hope that the trend of dumbing down fightanz for non-existent casual audience will die in this generation.

The thing is that casuals who'll play fighting games love the hardcore shit, that's the whole reaosn I got into it.

>>383294109
What a retard, pc players don't exist for Tekken 7 in comparison with amount of console players, your netcode is even better when you play only with your friend in local web.

>>383313363
DBZF if pretty dumbed down. No DP motions and combos coming out from mashing the same button over and over hints pretty heavily towards it being pretty damn casual.

>>383294394
>maximilian gets his own panel at EVO

y tho

>>383313179
Just buy some knock off PS3 controller and use it, that's what I did.

>>383314219
We already know those combos aren't that strong they're there just to help noobs.

>>383281563
Fightan games took a hit when arcades stopped being a thing.
They took another hit when other genres started outpacing them in the graffix department.
Now the only games that sell anymore are NRS games. The rest have paper-thin margins or have switched over entirely to e-sports revenue streams.

>>383293068
>There is no new blood coming into melee.
Tell that to Syrox

>2 smash games

Just get rid of Melee

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>>383286921
Killer Instinct, Tekken, Skullgirls

>>383282590
FGC still buttblasted from the the success of melee eh?

These games seem pretty good, not never plated or heard of Vote tho

>>383317148
It's pretty neat. All the characters are modeled after political leaders. The balance is pretty fucked though. WHH has a separate timer that makes it so you have to end the round in 30 seconds instead of the normal timeframe.

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>>383281563
>commentators revealed
>no Mike Ross and Zhi

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>>383310278
>Clash of Ninja
My nigga

>>383317517
Mike Ross is too busy on his vision quest

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what about Brawlhalla?

>>383317847
Elaborate.

>>383317974
Hes trying to find the true meaning of esports

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/19943831_506491186409416_585426676922449920_n.mp4

>P5A announced
>Featured at EVO
>Gets Sunday slot
>Grand Final has Rivers in The Desert playing
>Audience sing along

WHEN?

>>383317517
>no Mike Ross
That's too bad.
>and Zhi
Good fucking riddance.

>>383319265
>not liking the most offensive man in the FGC
I was blind like you once.

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fixd with relevant games

>>383285751
I'd say they haven't returned to the popularity of the time when bb and sf4 came out.

>>383319471
At least it's not Smash.

>>383319471
Fuck off, DacidBro.

>>383320075
I wish I were so based.

Japan EVO will save as all. No melee bored fest and western shit games

>>383320629
>Japan EVO will save as all. No melee bored fest and western shit games

Smash 4 is confirmed there, though.

>>383283337
been looking for that mike ross meme, thanks my nigger

>>383283337
No, anime style fighting system is played out.

What the genre should have more as recent games is non-airdasher, oldschool 2D where pokes and zoning do good damage and are not solely used to setup offense or combos.

KOF14 did it, but they could tone down maxmode combos and meter gain more and increase single hits damage.

>>383286921
ST, MvC2, SamSho2

>>383296432
>sunday slot
>can't even get 500 players

lol I know ArcSys is paying Evo a lot of money, hence their heavy advertisements inbetween finals, but why even waste their bought spot?

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>it's a /v/ talks fighting games episode

>>383292561
>>383292610
>faggots

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>>383305816
>KI gets booted because small numbers
>adds two newer games that get smaller numbers
I hope it comes back next year with the steam release. Letting it go was clearly a mistake

>>383321908
Nope, I don't play DoA.

>>383321908
doa5 isn't worth playing with two hands

>>383284393
V gets more entrants than 4 because there's more money in it. Guarantee you if the money had stayed the same, V would be dead by the end of this year.

>>383283358
Tekken 7 has almost none of those problems. It launched with an actual story mode and more single player and multiplayer content (ie online tourney mode) than SFV did at launch, as well as a larger roster of playable characters. Unless you only care about esparts and ranked matches SFV was basically worthless until it started getting DLC. T7 is hardly casualised unless you're autistic over rage mode and online is fine on PC but shit on PS4, similar to SFV most likely due to shitters who insist on playing wirelessly.

The only real issue T7 suffers from is input lag on the PS4, which sucks but should be patched eventually if it hasn't been already. Other than that there is no "double standard". Tekken players simply don't like Street Fighter. It's as simple as that.

>>383294848
>it's much harder to be consistent in, with scrubby play being much harder to stop than it was and kof fundamentals being much weaker than usual.
I don't know, for me you're just describing XIII.

>>383322134
Remember when Blazblue had a larger pot than SF4 and it did absolutely nothing to boost entrants?

>>383284393
>SFV is the only fighting game struggling
SFV may not be nearly as popular as intended, but it's still the most played fighting game right now next to Tekken 7. And Tekken numbers are only comparatively high because the game got released a month ago.

>>383321589
Because BB is the better game. All these salty tears from GG fags over getting cucked from Sunday slot have been very delicious.

who's a good beginner character for tekken 7

>>383322548
>Because BB is the better game.
I'm dying here. BBfags have sworn their game is great since CT and has been called out every time. There is a point where no one even wants pay attention to the shit franchise.

>>383322307
> It launched with an actual story mode and more single player and multiplayer content
The story mode is done within less than two hours and tourney mode is completely broken. Besides, nobody plays it. This is the KAHNTENT people have screaming for in the wake of SFV's release?

>Tekken 7 has almost none of those problems.
I've pretty much stopped playing T7 because I was spending more time in warm up than actually playing matches. The online's quality is comparable to SFV - great when it works, unplayable when it doesn't.

>T7 is hardly casualised
Dude, the game has one button ultras.

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>>383322604

>>383322604
Paul, Leo, Law.

>>383317941
Is that just Antimage?

>>383322715
>I'm dying here
Yeah, I'm also dying by looking at GG cucks salty reaction over their Sunday slot getting taken away from them.

Oh, man. All those 8 years of enduring shitposting made by GG fags against BB every fucking time and finally it pays off. Karma is a bitch, eh? Keep clinging to that "BB is slower than GG!" opinion from 2009 since BBCF is a faster game than that slow ass Rev2.

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>>383322715
But it's dead, anon. Every day, more and more players will drop off. Pretty soon, there will only be a handful of jaded nostalgic players trying to relive an old, lost glory. Why not move on now? Why delay the inevitable?

>>383307235
That's because they got shit taste.

>People calling this a Fighting Game golden age
>Still no new Soul Calibur
>People congratulating Bamco on making another good Tekken game, as if that's a surprise
I hate this timeline.

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>>383322838
>Akuma
>slow as fuck attacks
>low damage output without meter and FADC
They nerfed my boy too hard.

>>383310645
Nah, Clash of Ninja was more akin to Budokai than Super DBZ.

>>383322715
>shit franchise, hmph! It's shit because I say so! No one pays attention to it anyway

Meanwhile, Japan plays BB more than GG.

>>383322000
>>383322034
You are missing out.

>>383323329
No, I don't mean gamepay wise. I mean like, they were made in the same vein to be competitive.

>>383281563
the only game worth playing is SSBM

much better than the other shit

>>383323547
My post still stands.

Man, I remember when /v/ could churn out convincing baits.

>>383323494
As someone who played competitively back during the DoA2/3 days, they really aren't.
There's a reason why the latest entry is F2P and the series in general is considered a joke even among 3D fighting game fans.

>>383324013
Vanilla 3 or 3.1?

>>383314880
whats a good program for ps3 controllers on pc. cause that scarlet crush stuff felt like a root kit.

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>>383323432
fake news

BB couldn't even beat USFIV until SFV came out

>>383322780
>The story mode is done within less than two hours
Still more than what SFV had.

>and tourney mode is completely broken
Not really. It's rough on the PS4 thanks to wireless shitters and bad hosts, on PC it's pretty much fine.

>Besides, nobody plays it. This is the KAHNTENT people have screaming for in the wake of SFV's release?
Don't move the goalposts. And you're still wrong, one of the best selling fighting game recently is almost entirely focused on single player content. People care about single player in fighting games whether you want to admit it or not.

>I've pretty much stopped playing T7 because I was spending more time in warm up than actually playing matches.
I've only had this issue with the PS4 version. I don't know whether it's wireless shitters or PS4's matchmaking is just broken but nobody I've talked to or seen playing the PC version online has had problems getting into ranked matches until they reach 16th DAN or whatever for obvious reasons.

>Dude, the game has one button ultras.
Which are easy to read if you aren't absolute shit at the game and are massively unsafe when blocked. Also they're technically macro'd, it's no more of a "one button ultra" than macroing a SFV ultra to one button.
If your argument is that Tekken has been casualized because of rage arts then you have no clue what you're talking about and have no buisness spewing your ignorant opinions about fighting games in general let alone Tekken.

>>383296227
Pokken is indeed extremely well balanced for a fighting game but could use a little bit more of "madness". But yeah, I played the game at a friend's house with a group of pals for who are all into fighting games like me, for like one month, and we really had lots of fun with it.

The thing is in the end we all dropped it. Not because we grew tired of it (though the roster is small yeah), but because no one had a WiiU except for the guy who was hosting these sessions.

>>383281563
>Is there no room for fighting games while I post this image proving that people play fighting games?

>>383325230
Pokken would be good if it doesn't have that TPS Phase.

>>383281563
>they finally got rid of Mahvel
Wow.

>>383325379
No, Mahvel won the vote. It's in, then Infinite will replace it at EVO 2018. 10 more years.

>>383281563
who the FUCK watches blazblue

also why the fuck hasn't ultra been voted in yet

and two party games motherfucker

>>383325479
EVO 2018

SFV
MvCI
T7
DBFZ
GGRev2
KoFXIV
Injustice 2
BBCF
Dissidia

>>383325572
>who the FUCK watches blazblue
People who like good fighting games.

>>383325103
>Still more than what SFV had.
Objectively, no. The game has a proper story mode and mini story fights, just like T7. In fact, it has even more character stories than T7.

>PC it's pretty much fine
I play on PC and it's fucking not. The last time I played the tournament simply refused to advance for no reason and there was nothing the host could do. And I'm not even talking about the fags who leave immediately.

> People care about single player in fighting games whether you want to admit it or not.
Casuals, not people.

>I've only had this issue with the PS4 version.
Again, I'm playing on PC. And the Steam forums are full of people sharing this problem.

>If your argument is that Tekken has been casualized because of rage arts bla bla
Sure, let's just conveniently ignore that moves than can potentially take 25% to 35% of your life bar can be triggered by the use of a single button, all in favor for an ad hominem. At least SFV requires multiple qc inputs or charges. This is just plain stupid.

Stop sucking Harada's dick for a moment and admit the game is flawed.

>>383325368
I think these phase weren't bad, but could use an improvement in the way they are switched with the cqc phase. But it wasn't a big deal for us. Though like I said we played the game for like one month only, before turning back to our old classic games, so our opinion could have changed if we have played more.

If I could change just one thing, like I said, I would add a bit more "madness" to the fights. Just some broken moves here and there, it would definitely make the game more fun. Though I admit it could destroy the balance, but I don't know, maybe it's just the MvC player in me but I like when there's some crazy shit happening on screen.

>>383325619
you forgot TFH

>>383325619
>BBCF coming back
>Dissidia


doubt

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>>383294123
Isn't that because a lot of the International players have a hard time getting into the U.S?

>>383326332
The new Dissidia is made for competitive play. You know Square Enix is going to force it whether you like it or not. Its has a side tourney as well for this year EVO.

>>383305952
This is so fucking retarded 90% of SF normies can't even input a wavedash

>>383326350
>vlc

>>383322838
I've only played Lee, so I'm extremely limited in knowledge, but I'd put him in Advanced. All his damage comes off counterhits and he only has his godlike corner-carry off very difficult B+2 Mist Step chains

Correct me if I'm wrong

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Will it be fundamentals kino?

>>383326315
>TFH
What is that?

>>383326686
They just need to fix the UI.

>>383326686
>The new Dissidia is made for competitive play
but SE can't make games with depth and balance

>>383326315
>tfh
What?
That's not the fighting game that must not be named, right?

>>383327149
Stop this meme. "Kino" means cinema, video games aren't movies. This meme only works on /tv/ and /tv/ only.

>>383327325
Was this post kino?

>>383326758
it's literally a less complicated jump os

>>383327286
Oh shit, I get it now.

Them Fighting Herds, isn't it?

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>>383327149
Please stop memeing up something I like

>>383327482
>UNIEL
>Not already a meme

>>383325572
>who the FUCK watches blazblue
I sure as hell don't.

>>383327482
UNREAL NIGGER THINGS

>>383327214
Them's Fightin' Herds, the reskinned Fighting is Magic that got banned on /v/ because at the time Barneyfag was whining way too fucking much about it, so discussion was moved to /mlp/.
For the record, I got the backer's beta it's a pretty good game actually, so far. Tianhuo is my personal main ATM.

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>>383327585
I love memes then!

>>383327214
They said they were since the blacklash about it is huge.
>>383327239
That's why they have Team Ninja to help and its a team fighter. Each of the fighters are pretty unique from each other too.

>>383326350
It might be a factor too.

sf5 killed evo

>>383327761
>That's why they have Team Ninja to help and its a team fighter.

That doesn't really help either. Team Ninja is pretty fucking shit as well.

>>383327149
Is Merk made great again?

Can I still zone with 3/4th screen/fullscreen normals and not give a fuck?

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>>383327482
CONSUMING EXISTENCE ITSELF

>>383327450
it has ggpo, so might be decent, but like all fighters the aesthetic is what will draw or push people away.

>>383327761
>Team Ninja to help
so the tits are good?

>>383324013
DOA5 went free to play because it's 5 years old.

And I really don't see what's wrong with DOA. You can claim it's a joke among 3D fighting games, but the whole genre's a joke now, every 3D fighting game is dead besides Tekken. At least DOA5 is still getting token support.

>>383325727
its just guilty gear lite

>>383328172
Next year is Virtua Fighter's 25th anniversary.

BELIEVE, NIGGAS

>>383327890
They do have a shaky track record but the game apparently is popular in Japan.
>>383327994
Tifa is not in the game yet to judge.

>>383324013
I don't give a fuck about the rest of the series (especially 4), but 5LR (along with 3.1) is actually a cool game. Shit just hits the right spots for me.

What other currentgen games has:
>fast and fluid movements
>responsive controls
>fast and safe-ish normals as far as 3D games go
>quick burst of big damage
?

>>383328173
A parody of GG would be more accurate.