Fuck it, let's get a nice jrpg thread going. >what are

>>379795616
Favorites: Persona 3, MOTHER 3
Recent: Fire Emblem Echoes
Looking Forward to: FE Switch, Strange Journey Redux

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>what are your favorites
FF9, FFT, Xenogears
>play anything recently
Playing DQ5
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade 2

>>379795616

>Favs
CC,BK:O,P5,DQV
>Played anything recently ?
Berseria
>What am I looking forward to ?
Nothing really, KH3 and FF7R are never coming out and aside from that maybe 13 sentinels, Trails of cold steel 3 ...

>>379795616
Favs:
Xenoblade X, Final Fantasy XII, and Persona 5

>>379795616
>Favorites
Final Fantasy IX, Persona 5, Nocturne and Dragon Quest VIII
>Play anything recently
Digital Devil Saga
I'd also like to get into the SaGa series sometime soon.
>Looking forward to
Xenoblade 2 and Strange Journey Redux

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>>379795616
>Threads of Fate
That right there is my all time favorite game. Would kill for a decent sequel with the same artstyle and composer.

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>>379797085
Great taste senpai

Taking a small break from Xenoblade to play some other games, but I'll get back to it soon.

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>>379795616
Thanks for making a good JRPG thread, OP. It's hard to get a good discussion going because threads often get ruined by bait in the OP.

Here are some games I like. I'm currently in the middle of another FE5 playthrough. I'm not aware of anything coming out soon but I have plenty of older games left to play.

>>379795616
Looking for a comfy jrpg that I can start playing tonight. One that my shit computer can emulate (gamecube/ps2 or below). Anyone have an idea?

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>>379795616
Man... I bought my games physically from stores. Seeing these retro collections always breaks my heart because finding Tactics Ogre, back then, was almost impossible in my area.

>>379799330
That's not a lot of information, what games do you like and what sort of game are you looking for? What makes a game 'comfy' for one person can be very different from another person's idea of 'comfy'. What sort of battle system, artstyle, difficulty, story focus / minimal story, random battles, etc. are all factors.

>>379799303
No problem. Hopefully something cool gets announced with e3. Honestly I'm just hoping for DQXI being confirmed for the US. If it gets announced for the switch I probably will pick it up for that alone.
>>379799330
Maybe try legend of the river king, a gameboy color rpg about fishing. I also enjoy earthbound a ton as a nice feel good jrpg.

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>>379795616
>>379799528
>Green label FFVII

>>379799303
How does Devil Survivor 2 differ from the first one? Never played either but
>Composer: Kenji Ito
Has got be somewhat interested.

>>379799303
>[incomplete]
What is incomplete with the list?

>>379799798
The game was either out of stock at the time, or ridiculously overpriced. By the time Square was able to make enough copies, that was the only option.

>>379795616
>Brave Fencer Musashi
Criminally ignored, comfy game.
>lack of FF9
Where is it? How do you have 8 but not 9?

>>379799625
I guess.. one with more cheery themes and colors. And I heavily prefer turn-based. I'' try to look through some 4chan lists.

>>379799925
Isn't brave fencer musashi a action game? Never played it.
>>379800039
I think my suggestions in >>379799686 would be for you.

>>379799798
Nothing wrong with green label 7. I got mine brand new from a local electronics store before it went under in 2011, only paid 8 dollars for it. It's still has the new plastic smell, no a single dog ear on the manual.

someone here talk with me about vanguard bandits (which should have been called gundam emblem). it's cheap on the psn store, you guys should try it out if you haven't already

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I just recent goit King's Field 1 to finish off my Soulsborne collection. Got the Longbox with the prepaid calling card included. I already had Shadow Tower, King's Field 2 and King's Field 4 the Ancient City.

The only Ogre games I have are the PSP Tactics Ogre and the n64 Ogre Battle game.

>>379800181
>legend of the river king
Hell yeah i love gameboy color games. Thank you.

>>379800181
It's an action rpg.

>what are your favorites
Thousand Arms, Persona 2-3, Final fantasy tactics.
>play anything recently
I just started the ps1 version of FF1 because I've been meaning to play through the whole series. It's pretty fucking grindy.
Also just started Trails in the sky and it's pretty comfy. Ive got it set on hard but I think I might have to turn it down because enemys do most of my health in one hit.
>what are you looking forward to
FF12HD on pc

>>379799824
Devil Survivor 1 is more story-focused while Devil Survivor 2 is more character-focused. In Devil Survivor 1 the characters are basically just props to support the story by representing certain ideologies and whatnot, while in Devil Survivor 2 the characters seem to come first, they each have their own little arc that gets explored while the actual plot is really half-assed (note: the characters are still pretty simple tropes in 2). I appreciate the atmosphere of Devil Survivor 1, but more importantly I found the gameplay in both games to be quite fun. They're made by remnants of the same team behind Langrisser and Growlanser so you can naturally expect a SRPG with a unique battle system and varied level design. I also like the SMT main series so it's a really cool blend of things. I'd say Devil Survivor 2 has slightly improved gameplay mechanics, there's a lot more demons and skills and the skill learning system is better than the first.
It's a SRPG so the music is mainly map themes. I think it was pretty good but I don't remember enough to comment on specifics. I'd still recommend you to play the first one first.

>>379799865
I guess 'incomplete' isn't the right word but there's a few games I might switch out, it's a very tentative list.

>>379800334
How normalfag friendly are they? I am interested in a first person action rpg but I imagine these are pretty grindy and difficult.

>>379795616
Deciding favorites will take forver so I will mention games I feel are underrated: Wild Arms 3, Bahamut Lagoon, Destiny of an Emperor

Recently played: Juggling between Devil Survivor 2, Persona 5, Tactics Ogre and Shadow Hearts 2

Not looking forward to anything much.

>>379800039
Consider the following:
Super Mario RPG
Dragon Quest VIII
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia

>>379800560
> FF1
> Grindy
Really? My idea of grinding in that game was kill everything that gets in your way.

I got into the Trails series 3 months ago and I absolutely loved the experience. Got Persona 5 and Stella Glow too and they were pretty fun.

Out of recommendation and out of sheer curiosity with it, I got Neptunia VII

>>379795616
Currently Trails in the Sky 3rd was an absolute blast so I think that counts as my favorite for now. I'm very much looking forward to Trails of Cold Steel 3 even I'm keeping myself cautious about it.

>>379801232
Fights take forever and I practically can't hit anything. I think I'll have to grind even more so I can properly hit shit. Its been taking me awhile to get good equipment from the shops and spells. My comp is a Warrior, red, white and black mage.

>>379800980
They're like dark souls except in first person view with no rolling.

Get a map because the dungeons have things like well disguised bottomless pits, dead ends filled with traps and traps that spawn bottomless pits filled with traps.

>>379801489
There's always the peninsula of power leveling if you feel like abusing a loophole.

>>379800560
You only have to grind in FF1 at the start. Once you get going, it's smooth sailing.

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>>379795616
>what are you looking forward to
toys, mostly

>>379799528
>>379800334
Looking at these made me realize that I missed out on a lot.

What are must plays that I should have on my bucket list?

>>379801232
>>379801751
Some people define 'grinding' differently. There's running in circles to fight enemies and farm gold, like the first five minutes of several old JRPGs and everyone accepts that as grinding. But then the rest of the game consists of going place to place and fighting simple, repetitive, weak, boring battles that require no strategy. A lot of people would consider the latter to also be 'grindy' even though you don't need to go out of your way to fight battles. Either way, I consider it boring and would not recommend it.

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>play anything recently
Mostly SMT IV. Though I have been a bit erratic.
>what are you looking forward to
Mostly Romancing SaGa 2 Vita version. Otherwise nothing much else catches my eye.

>>379802209
Is Frontier a good place to get into the SaGa series?

>>379802209
What's your opinion on the SaGa remakes for DS? Should I play those over the originals?

And what makes Meruru your favoure Atelier game?

>what are your favorites
Xenoblade, Xenoblade X, FFV, Dragon Quest V, Mother 2 and 3, Terranigma, Kiseki series
>play anything recently
Playing Zero no Kiseki (in Japanese, TL patch is too spotty for me) and starting Tales of Vesperia
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade 2, Sen no Kiseki III

>>379802551
It can be a good place to start. Just that since it came after the Gameboy games be prepared to have some instances in where you are lost and not knowing where you need to go. It is a common occurrence within the more open world ones. Some people like it, others not so much.
>>379802565
>What's your opinion on the SaGa remakes for DS?
Can't really tell you since I didn't play them. I really like the Gameboy games and seeing how a lot of the SaGa remakes seem to be great it can be worth playing through since they often polish up some of the mechanics and in certain games also add additional mechanics.
>And what makes Meruru your favoure Atelier game?
I haven't played many Atelier games, but I really enjoyed doing quests, creating materials, and developing a kingdom and continually expanding the kingdom and watching it grow. I got really into it compared to something like Ayesha.

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Here's my psx rpg's that aren't Final Fantasy.

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My favorite ever is Tales of Vesperia. It's the perfect JRPG.

I'm currently playing Trails in the Sky FC and I fucking hate how there's a million enemies that only give two XP and none of them will just fuck off. I'm not even trying to fight everything and I feel over leveled already. Still at the beginning though, so hopefully this will be less painful once I have four party members to work with.

Looking forward to anything, really. I play everything from Neptunia to Radiant Historia, shit don't matter I just like JRPGs.

>>379803508
>how there's a million enemies that only give two XP and none of them will just fuck off.
If they start giving you shit EXP, that just means you're overleveled.

>>379801845
The whole bucket.

>>379803508
Running away in Trails in the Sky is like a 100% success rate, so it's not too big an issue

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>>379795616
Favorites: Kingdom Hearts 2 FM, Persona 3 FES, Tales of the Abyss, Etrian Odyssey 3
Recent: Radiant Historia, Final Fantasy IV, was supposed to be playing through Halo tonight but for whatever reason felt the need to restart Final Fantasy X instead
Looking forward to: Etrian Odyssey V, Dragon Quest XI, Xenoblade 2, the next Tales game which allegedly is on the Switch

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>>379803508
Then don't fight them.

The only battles I fight in TitS were the forced story encounters and monster-in-a-box fights (of which there were quite a few). The fights were all very easy, though I felt like my strategy was made overly basic because I couldn't afford much materia to change up my setups.
Should I play on hard mode in SC? Is it harder strategically or does it just force you to fight random enemies?

Is SMT Devil Survivor Overclocked any good? Been looking for more SMT for my 3ds (already have IV and Apocalypse)

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>>379805762
Go for Soul Hackers instead.

>>379805762
It's one of my favourites. However it's a SRPG so if you're just looking for more of the same you might want to try something else. I'd recommend Strange Journey but I guess that's getting a remake soon?

Thread is on life support, just like JRPG's.

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>>379806676
It's actually because nobody on /v/ actually plays JRPGs. They're inherently an uninteresting genre to most people.

Looking forward to replaying EOV when it releases over here, as well as trying out all the other titles coming to 3ds and vita soon.

>>379803295
Man I wish more games had a similar structure to legend of mana. Placing new worlds on a map yourself, each with their own episodic stories that tie into eachother depending on their placement was amazing, and that's not including the major story arcs. I feel like a DRPG could really benefit from this structure as long as it stays fairly open ended with new routes you can take after going through specific events.

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>>379795616

>what are your favorites
Dragon Quest III, IV, V and VIII
Suikoden I-III
Chrono Trigger/Cross
Seiken Densetsu III

>play anything recently
I'm replaying FFVI. I'm kind of losing motion to keep going after the Opera.

>what are you looking forward to
Dragon Quest XI And X, Monsters, Theathrythm, Mori Mori 3 and all the other games we will never get.

>>379807149
>tfw really love SMT but it's a huge meme on /v/

>>379806676
I don't think JRPGs are on life support. Plenty of notable titles have been released in the past couple years.

Anyway, if you guys want to talk about something how about this: write a review for a JRPG you like, in hopes of convincing someone to play it.

>>379807332
People are aggressive in pushing SMT on /v/.

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>Released 7 years ago
>Still feel buyer's remorse to the max

There hasn't been a good FF game since 12. FFXV sucked ass too.

I need Dragon Quest XI to save me bruh

I said just FF not all JRPGs. many current JRPGs are great. FF is just dead at this point.

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>>379808026
You mean since X.

>>379797085
playing the version without deborah
faggot

>>379808148
Fuck you, buddy. 12 was objectively alright.

>>379795616
PS1 was the golden era. PS2 was still pretty fucking great. PS3 had Vesperia, Nier, Ni no Kuni and a few others, but it really lacked numbers. PS4 looks to be pretty fucking good though. For Nintendo I never really liked much outside of Crono Trigger, the old FF games, and Xenoblade (the first one, fuck that open world garbage with a Sawano OST).

Personal favorite is Wild Arms 2. That game is a fucking masterpiece. a remake with better graphics and proper voice acting would be amazing. The story, characters, skills in combat and dungeons were just fucking phenomenal. For looking forward to, I'm excited to play the Digimon World game on PS4. I know it's out already, but I was busy with Automata until now.

>>379807998
that's an understatement

>>379808568
People sure do care a lot about her. I picked the version that Japanese people recommended, she doesn't matter to me.

are there any other JRPGs that have a system close to legend of dragoon additions?

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>>379795616
I really loved the first two Ar Tonelico games on the PS2. I am replaying them, and I want to try out the PS3 AT game.

How does it compare to the previous games?

>>379809708
Only thing that comes close enough that I've played is Vagrant Story, but you don't do the button presses to complete a skill rather you do it to chain one skill after another.

>>379808676
>>379808148
X and XII were ok, XIII was complete fucking shit, XV was somewhere between the aforementioned, but it was a huge letdown. The series hasn't been great since IX. If you look at when the series started and when IX came out, the series has been bad longer than it was good. That's depressing.

>>379809830
>PS3 AT game
You don't wanna play that.

>>379810027
XII was an unfinished and dumbed down single player of XI, I seriously don't understand how people like it at all.

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>>379810103
Why? I just want to dive into the heads of batshit crazy girls while listening to comfy music and climbing towers.

>>379810181
The level designs were fun to run around in, and the attempt at classes (I head the international version did it better) was a nice effort, I guess? Honestly I found XII and X to just barely be playable. I think I used to dislike them more, but then XIII came out and by comparison I find them not to be the worst thing ever.

>>379810319
I don't think particularly highly of the FF series in general but I thought FFX was pretty good. I liked the turn based battle system a lot more than the awful ATB that the previous games used and the sphere grid was an interesting way to build characters. The narrative was pretty good for a JRPG, the music was excellent, the presentation was nice. The temple puzzles were kinda cool and there were even some mini games and side quests available. I know FFX gets a lot of criticism and I don't really understand why.

>>379808026
While I hated the first game in the series, Lightning Returns was one of my top two games from the year it was released.

>>379811295
It managed to open world better than XV, wish more games would have a time system like that and Majora's Mask too.

>>379811293
>I know FFX gets a lot of criticism and I don't really understand why.
Try playing more than 10 rpgs and maybe you'll figure it out.

>>379795616
>what are your favorites
Dark Cloud 2, Dragon Quest 8, SMT 3 Nocturne. I have a lot of JRPGs that i love. Vanillaware's stuff is excellent too.

>Playing anything recently.

FE Echoes and the post game of the 3DS port of DQ8

>what are you looking forward to

In the immediate future there's just mostly FFXII the zodiac age, Etrian Odyssey 5, and 13 Sentinels The remaster of Radiant Historia and Strange journey don't impress me honestly.

Much further than that though is stuff like Octopath Traveler and Re Fantasy

>>379811293

FFX has good world design and better than average (but not great) combat. But then the story and characters are really dumb if you stop to think about it. It's not unlike FFIV.

>>379795616
>Favorites
FFVIII, Persona 4, Grandia 2, Pokemon Yellow, Atelier Ayesha, Ar Nosurge, Phantasy Star Online and the Nier games if they count
>Recent
Finished Final Fantasy XV, Automata, and Persona 5; replaying Persona 3
>Looking forward to
The next Atelier, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Blue Reflection, SMT Switch

>>379812182
Shit taste.
>>379812336
Good taste.

>>379812579
Adding some Gust games got me the upgrade? I can't believe I forgot them the first time.

>>379812081
>But then the story and characters are really dumb if you stop to think about it. It's not unlike FFIV.
IV's story and characters were way better. Rydia alone is better than anything from X. IV's only flaw was that the random encounter rate was fucking retarded.

>>379813002
>IV's only flaw was that the random encounter rate was fucking retarded.
Are we just going to forget that that game has Cecil as a protagonist?

>>379813167
Are we pretending Cecil is bad now?

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>>379795616
>what are your favorites
Dragon Quest VIII, Dragon Quest IV, Tales of Vesperia, and Persona 3
>play anything recently
>Tales of Zestiria
The battle system is so fucking bad that I couldn't play it. It was only $20 and I feel cheated. How can they go from TOX2 which was decent. To this garbage?
>Persona 5
It's Persona, nothing much to say. It's good
>Breath of Fire IV
Just started it up, and it's really good. If it keeps up, it may become one of my favorites.
>what are you looking forward to
Dragon Quest XI. So excited that I may just import it. Wouldn't understand a damn thing happening, but I want to play it so bad.

>>379813334
>pretending

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>>379811293
>FFX gets a lot of criticism and I don't really understand why
The entire series is predicated on having new entries be varying degrees of completely different games. Hence why the fanbase is so splintered and volatile. When you have people who heavily love/endorse/identify with a specific game, then down the line a new entry throws a ton of that out the window and does something different, it's going to upset people. That's the main reason. Not to deny that there aren't others, but a great many can be traced back to this concept.

>>379813002
>IV's story and characters were way better
This is contrarianism to an insane degree. 4's characters are cardboard cutouts that act as the plot needs them to act in order to get them in and out of the party at the right times.

>>379813512
>This is contrarianism to an insane degree.
Is this really surprising on /v/? VII and X are the two most popular entries of course people will rally as hard as they can against those two while saying that VIII is some sort of misunderstood gem.

>>379813436
>tfw when I enjoyed them all
Well except for 2. I wasn't feeling that one.

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>>379813716
At least II paved way for the SaGa series so it wasn't all bad.

>what are your favorites
zenobureido not X
>play anything recently
working on TitS the 3rd now
>what are you looking forward to
well that KH3 trailer looked pretty cool but personally I'm more excited about Xenoblade 2

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>>379795616
>what are your favorites
Any of my 3DS ones, Shining Force, EO3
>play anything recently
Was going to start playing DQIX, but I'm still enjoying Legend of Legacy a lot. Third run after a while of leaving it on Liber, started Meurs. Always bring Bianca so I had to ditch Garnet for Eloise. Have a nice selection of hard-won and lucky postgame items to play around with now.
>what are you looking forward to
The Alliance Alive, DSJ/SJR, EOV, RHC, USUM, Ever Oasis.

>>379813631
VIII is far better than most people give it credit for. People bitch about the plot because they're too stupid to understand a simple time loop or missed the multiple times the amnesia twist was foreshadowed. Junctioning made the game too easy but every single Final Fantasy is too easy so that's a moot point.

>favorites

saga frontier 2, breath of fire 3 & chrono cross

>play anything recently

Persona 5, pretty wild ride story wise, bit of a disappointment gameplay wise

>what are you looking forward to

I have no idea man, I can't get into the falcom games and I don't see anything else on the horizon

>>379813392
Ok so that's a yes.

>>379813512
Cecil's guilt, Kain's jealousy, Rydia's growth and Yan's goofiness were all characterized pretty well. Cid's theatrics were also entertaining. The plot didn't just drag them along, doing things like the going to the mountain of trials or going to rescue Roza made sense from within the story and matched up to their motivations. As far as party swapping goes, I don't see how that's a negative. Yes, certain story events switch up your party until the end where you have everyone at your disposal. The only flat character would be Roza, because she' just there as a perfect waifu for Cecil.

>>379814051
You got it backwards. People don't like the junction system because they were stupid kids and couldn't figure it out, so leveling without junctioning magic properly got their faces raped because of the scaling. Also I can't imagine how anyone missed the amnesia foreshadowing, it was pretty in your face for most of the game if you actually read the dialog.

>>379813436
That sounds pretty reasonable. Still, in those cases it would be nice if those upset people could articulate what exactly about the new entry they dislike.

>>379812081
Hmm, I thought FFX was significantly better than IV in every way.
Regarding the story and characters, what are you referring to? Do you mean plot holes or some sort of inconsistency, poor structure, or other issue with the story? I thought it was an engrossing story in large part due to the worldbuilding, at least compared to the rest of the genre. I can understand the story being deemed inferior in comparison to Tactics Ogre, Front Mission 2, or something like that but I don't really see any major issues with it. JRPG stories don't exactly have the same evaluation criteria as novels in my opinion, it's more important to set up memorable gameplay segments and to have a sense of progression than it is to have deep meaning to every piece of dialogue. In any case I don't see what about FFX's story and characters are inferior to past FF games for example.

>>379814335
>bit of a disappointment gameplay wise
What? It's far and away the most polished gameplay in the series.

>what are your favorites
SaGa Frontier, Grandia 2, Pokemon Emerald, and Paper Mario: TTYD
>play anything recently
Just finished Utawarerumono 1 and 2, and I just started playing SaGa 2's DS remake.
>what are you looking forward to
Romancing SaGa 2 and Scarlet Grace on Vita, EOV, Utawarerumono 3, and kind of curious about that sequel to Legend of Legacy.

>>379814335
>bit of a disappointment gameplay wise
Really? It's the only Persona that I would say has good gameplay, what were you expecting and why did you find it disappointing?

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what went wrong bois

>>379814351
>As far as party swapping goes, I don't see how that's a negative.
Party swapping isn't a negative, the way the party swaps is the negative. "Hey we need a free spot in the party, what do?" "Here let's just write something where a party member martyrs themselves often pointlessly and then magically survives anyways" is a negative.

>>379814335
>Persona 5
>bit of a disappointment gameplay wise
It's the best playing Persona (well, modern Persona at least) by far. Were you expecting a radical overhaul compared to 3 and 4?

jrpgs suck

>>379814375
It's all in the way people talk. When everything has devolved into baiting and shitposting people start off with dissmissiveness and animosity. See the first response to the post I quoted you from. That's why all we can do is try to have legitimate conversation and stay rational like real people without resorting to insults and elitism. Be the change you wanna be and all that.

>>379814051

I don't think anybody missed the foreshadowing or the time loop, the plot was just bad
Not as bad as FF13 but y'know, its probably second worst for sure

>>379814595
/thread

>>379814575
>Implying the twins getting petrified and Terra losing his shit after wasn't great
I think the problem is just your shit taste.

>>379814635
Nah, it has a better plot than I-IV, IX, XIII, and XV at least. Possibly better than V and XII as well.

>>379814456
>>379814528
>>379814585
Not him but I really found it to be underwhelming. It was almost never challenging and I felt it was pretty unbalanced. In my opinion 3 and even 4 were more fun to play even without the polish of 5 based off of that alone.

>>379814619
>People shouldn't be elitist
>Everyone should be nice even when people say stupid things
>If someone is mean, then we ignore what they say!
I miss this board before reddit flooded in.

>>379814456
>>379814528
>>379814585

Bosses were generally disappointing and underdesigned. Kamoshida felt like a great kickoff but then every single other boss was worse than him untill very near the end, which left me feeling cheated.

Not helped by the fact that the game seems to not give a fuck and gives you a million ways to cheat near the end to trivialize the rest of the game. It just really felt like Persona 5 didn't give a fuck about it's combat and didn't want me to give a fuck either

>>379813002

The women in FFIV are indeed better than most women in the FF series. Or just any characters, male or female. But they're stuck in a game where every man is a suicidal, pride filled nut job.

>>379814375

>Regarding the story and characters, what are you referring to? Do you mean plot holes or some sort of inconsistency, poor structure, or other issue with the story?
It would take a book to actually explain all the loop holes in the plot of FFX. But I've written a lot of it out in threads before and it always kills the thread. Suffice to say, Yuna's role in the story and the entire pilgrimage becomes pointless because of events in the last 1/3 the game. And even worse, if Auron had just told Tidus what he was expected to do at the beginning of the game, he could have skipped the entire pilgrimage and just gone right to Zanarkand.

Of course, then the game would have no story. This is why above I said that FFX is good at its world building. Because that's essentially what 80% of the story is. Going around on the pilgrimage, learning about Spira, taking in the sights and talking to people. FFX did this well. It just didn't tie it well into the core plot of Yu Yevon and Jecht.

>>379813631
>>379814051
>>379814351
I liked a lot of things about FFVIII. There were some really memorable sequences like the Dollet mission, the garden fight, even the esther stuff was cool at times. There were some neat sidequests and the card game was a fun minigame. The music is also amazing, and I like all the different parts of the world. There were some contrived aspects of the story but that's not really a dealbreaker. However the real massive issue that ruins the game is the gameplay. It simply is not enjoyable to play. The game is easily beatable by simply mashing X and the junction system is so absurdly easy to break that I have to wonder if they even tried to balance it. Even if you impose handicaps on yourself to try to make the game harder, the tactical depth of combat is very limited and a JRPG with boring battles is just not fun to play.

>>379814774
>3 and even 4
>implying 4 didn't play much better than 3
Say what you will about the story or characters but 4 was a clear improvement over 3 in every aspect of gameplay.

>>379814774
>It was almost never challenging and I felt it was pretty unbalanced
How many days did you spend clearing each dungeon?

>>379814813
>Bosses were generally disappointing and underdesigned
>underdesigned
Ok, so just bait.

>>379795616
>what are your favorites
FFVIII (8), FFIX, Lost Odyssey, Chrono Cross, Persona 4, FFX, Bravely Default
>play anything recently
Persona 5
>what are you looking forward to
Dragon Quest XI, FFXII remaster

>>379814773

you should probably see a professional about whatever's wrong with your brain before you start hurting those you love

>>379814774
>It was almost never challenging and I felt it was pretty unbalanced.
This applies to Persona 3 and 4 as well, although I do agree that the confidant bonuses skew the difficulty way too much. Once I got past Madarame I didn't a single time to another boss.

>In my opinion 3 and even 4 were more fun to play
How were Tartarus and the TV World more fun than the palaces? I mean the palaces aren't the best dungeons I've experienced in a dungeon crawler but at least each engaged the player in some way, something that never happens in a single dungeon in either 3 or 4.

>>379814687
>purposefully ignoring Yang sealing himself in a room with a self-destructing computer and no plan to stop it
>purposefully ignoring Cid suicide bombing instead of just throwing the bomb on its own
I have no problem with Palom and Porom, as they actually did save the party. Tellah died, he's not part of what I'm talking about.

>>379813973
So, is that suppose to be an asshole or a belly button?

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>what are your favorites
Etrian III, DQV, DQVII, Soul Hackers, Vanguard Bandits, FFXII, and Shining Force CD

>play anything recently
Just beat SaGa Frontier (Asellus). Good shit. I'm now trying to decide what Final Fantasy game from between I and XIII-3 I should play.

>what are you looking forward to
Last week's thread I complained that there was no localization announced for
>Etrian V
>Dragon Quest XI
>Deep Strange Journey
>The new SaGa

I was happily proven wrong, save for SaGa.

>>379814930
Yan is a retard, and Cid needed to detonate the bomb at the right time. It not being a remote control bomb explains why he couldn't just throw it.

>>379814619
/v/ is full of shitposting 99% of the time but this is one JRPG in a million that has a OP that actually promotes discussion. I hope the lurkers can come out and have a nice thread every now and then and that people can manage to ignore the newfags.

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My most recent favorite franchise is Medarot. Fucking fun as fuck, full of customization and most of the games have likeable characters too.
Still, taking a little break from the series after I've beat Medarot 7.

Right now playing Persona 4 on my Vita which is pretty fun so far.
Any tips on how not to miss any meaningful interactions or stat raises?

>>379814896

>Ok, so just bait.

Excuse me what ? The bosses were pretty fucking shitty. Compare to shadow yukiko or shadow kanji and you'd be hard pressed to find a boss with mechanics as involved before the angels.

Madarame is the only boss that isn't a complete tank and spank, only because you have to use physical aoes instead

>>379815048
>building a bomb that you can only activate with your hands
Yes, this is a thing that people do.

>>379814896

One day per dungeon. I'm not sure why you would ever spend longer.

>>379814981
It's the asshole. You can tell better with the in game model, it poses in different ways.

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>>379814896
2 for each except the bank which I did in 1. SP adhesives are one of many ways to break it.

>>379814887
I really don't want to get into it again but I really, really disagree. The short version is that 4 simplifies 3 by removing some features and is built off of a combat system intended for you to not have direct control over the party members. Once you do the game is totally different and I would firmly argue for the worst

>>379814929
I really like tartarus for a couple reasons, but I am not a fan of the TV world. Palaces were a great addition. When I said play I meant in combat

SaGafags must be asleep. Playing Minstrel Song now, and it's easily one of the best JRPGs I've played in a very long time. Hoping Scarlet Grace gets translated someday.

>>379815104
>Multiple body part painting
>Timing large group blocks against piggy bank roll
>Lining up the kills against the robot minions so you can get ones of the same weakness out at the same time
>Playing fucking roulette during Sae
Did you even play the game?

I'm in love with Romancing SaGa 2

I almost feel like I'm not a casual while playing a JRPG

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>all these people naming Dragon Quest games as some of their favorites
It's good to see this series is getting more recognition outside Japan.

>>379795616
Nice collection. Like about all those games. However, no one in their right mind would own green label best of copies of games. Invalid.

>>379815228

I'm here, minstrel song is great and I've replayed it like 5 times

>>379815225
>I really like tartarus for a couple reasons
What did you like about Tartarus? The only thing I liked was that you were given a single deadline so that you could be extremely flexible with visiting it but other than that it's one of the most arduous slogs in a JRPG.

>When I said play I meant in combat
You didn't like that they brought back guns, changed Bless and Curse from solely being insta kill, added negotiations, had a lot more damage types than 3 and 4 or that confidants actually gave gameplay bonuses?

>>379814915
He said nothing wrong though...

>>379814865
If you have a copypasta or a link to an old thread I'd like to read it but don't bother retyping if you don't, I think I know what you mean.
I think a pilgrimage is more about the journey than the destination. And the characters grow and develop through the story so it's not exactly pointless in my opinion.

Regardless of the plot holes,
>Of course, then the game would have no story. This is why above I said that FFX is good at its world building. Because that's essentially what 80% of the story is. Going around on the pilgrimage, learning about Spira, taking in the sights and talking to people. FFX did this well. It just didn't tie it well into the core plot of Yu Yevon and Jecht.
Fair enough, I agree with that.

>>379815441
VIII has the worst FF story, so he definitely said something immensely wrong. Any JRPG story that hinges on a time loop (stable or not) is automatically garbage.

>>379815294

>multiple body part paintings

all killed in one AOE except the one that absorbs physical, whoop dee doo

>Timing large group blocks against piggy bank roll

Why would you block and not keep attacking to interrupt the attack ?

>Lining up the kills against the robot minions so you can get ones of the same weakness out at the same time

Completely unecessary to beating it, tho I agree it was one of the good ones, if only the second half wasn't so fucking bad

>Playing fucking roulette during Sae

You don't play roulette, you chose what bonus and malus you want because you always lose every other one and win the other in sequence, there is no game at all.

Seems to me like you were more concerned with the superficial cinematic elements of the fights rather than the gameplay mechanics involved, or lack thereof.

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>>379795616
>what are your favorites

Old Final Fantasy games mostly. Sometimes a good Dungeon crawler or SRPG.
>play anything recently

Pic related. Dusted off my Gameboy and played it for like 5 hours straight.

>what are you looking forward to

FF7 remake, Xenoblade 2, MonHun XX. A few I can't think of right now.

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>what are your favorites
Xenoblade X, Tales of Vesperia, VP 1 and 2
>play anything recently
FFXIV
>what are you looking forward to
Stormblood and XV DLC Nothing really looks interesting to me this year or next unless the next Tales game looks good.

>>379815126
Watch the scene again, he detonates it in mid air to break the right part of the mountain. It's not like he just hit the ground and exploded, so yeah, he had to manually detonate it there.

>>379815430
To be fair Tartarus was pretty fucking cool up at the 6th level. It had a great sense of progression and impending doom. Still, overall it had nothing on P5's dungeons.

>>379815556
The first game has the Garland time loop, so by your standards its probably second best, because other than Garland and crystals, that game doesn't have a plot.

>>379815228
>SaGafags must be asleep.
We're here.

Also the SaGa general on /vr/ is a nice place to go if you can't find a SaGa discussion on /v/.

>>379815295
I played through it a while back but let my autism take control and ended up making the game too easy.
>>379815398
I'm pretty pissed that I never played it when I was younger but I probably wouldn't have been able to appreciate it the same as I do now.

>>379815776
I know what the scene is. My point is that he BUILT A BOMB THAT NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED BY HAND, WITH NO TIMER. Do you not understand how fucking stupid that is?

>>379815818
What are your thoughts on Unlimited?

>>379815751
RIP Willy
come to think of it pretty much everyone dies

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>>379815818
hey SaGafag, what makes the series good, I've been thinking about trying it out.

>>379815928
Except Chocobo.

>>379815881

Just ignore the existence of water magic past the first healing spell and nothing wrong will happen to your enjoyment of the game

>>379816064
ye and Lester I think

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>>379815430
Guns were great. Bless and Curse were fantastic. Negotiations were great at first but then I was disappointed how watered down they were. Still not sure on how I really feel about them. Nuke and Psy also great. Confidant bonuses maybe my favorite feature.

I just mean in terms of nuts and bolt gameplay it was easy and unbalanced. All of those additions are great but arguably didn't get to truly shine or ironically made it even easier (confidants specifically). 3 is a challenging game that punishes you hard. I rarely felt afraid in 5 and a lot of the time was cursing on auto pilot. Baton passes make hitting weaknesses even easier and trivialize fights. You get so much money that as soon as I finished strength I could buy a persona 35 levels higher than I was and still have plenty left, not to mention how oversupplied you can be plus stuff like adhesives. I don't like being "that guy" but I really feel P5 was not challenging and too easy to break.

There's so many little things that could have helped it too. Getting hit while down should bring that character back up, making all out attacks harder to hit than simply spamming. Hitting a resistance should take away your turn like in Nocturne. Demons should negotiate with you or at least ask for stuff themselves when you do.

>>379815228
Glad you're enjoying it. Good luck on Scarlet Grace though, it will have to go through two hurdles, if somehow it does get officially localized, and if it doesn't then you will have to be lucky someone wants to create a Vita emulator to garner any interest in doing a fan translation of any of the Vita games left in Japan.

>>379815690
>all killed in one AOE
Not unless you grind before. And no, saying "whoop dee doo" doesn't magically negate that it's a multi part boss with different resistances. I didn't even mention the debuff ink it does.

>Why would you block and not keep attacking to interrupt the attack ?
Risk versus potential reward? Are you stupid?

>Completely unecessary to beating it
This literally means nothing. You don't ever have to use weaknesses in Persona, but you're an idiot if you don't.

>You don't play roulette,
Actually, you do. The game having a pattern behind it doesn't change that. There's also the attack penalty that goes along with hitting her during the game.

Seriously, your idea of a well designed boss was Kanji? Minions with inverted weakness/resistance is baby level boss design. It's laughable that you're pretending to care about gameplay mechanics when you cite the one of the most overused boss designs as an example of good design. Hell, by your stupid standards, the burger king fight in P5 is the best boss in the series.

>>379816006
Not him but I like them because they take risks and break away from the standard RPG formulas. They're very refreshing and usually pretty challenging.

>>379816198

Not to mention that all these things culminate into a rather disappointing attendant fight. The Twin Wardens could have been really cool and challenging, but for some insane reason they prevent you from fighting them before NG+ and before you already broke the game past the point of enjoyment

>>379815906
Or he had a normal bomb that hit something and exploded, but he didn't it to explode before it hit something, so he triggered the detonation himself. I'm pretty sure he just grabbed a bomb when shit was going down, and didn't design it that way on the fly.

>>379816446
I can't believe you're so adamant about arguing about one of the dumbest scenes in FF. Next you're going to tell me the Ragnarok being perfectly in line with Squall and Rinoa's trajectory in space was perfect writing in FF8.

>>379816431
>Implying the twins weren't the best fight in the series
Oh I get it now, the people pretending that P5 didn't have the best gameplay are retarded.

>>379816317

>Not unless you grind before

Didn't grind and I had berzerk + vicious strike to take them all down in one turn

>Risk versus potential reward? Are you stupid?

What fucking risk lmao

>Actually, you do. The game having a pattern behind it doesn't change that.

Okay nevermind you're insane, I'm done

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>>379815556
>can't handle a simple time loop

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>>379816006
It's a JRPG series led by a guy that doesn't think the gameplay of Wizardry is sacred and should never be modified. What I most like about them, though, is that you can recruit a whole bunch of different characters for your party, and I mean over 20 characters. I think Scarlet Grace has like 70 or something characters. The ability to learn skills in combat is also pretty cool, like learning an endgame attack out of the blue when fighting a really tough boss. Also, the effect for that is so cool.

>>379816596

They were doing 20 damage per spell to my main character. Can't say I was exactly thrilled during the fight

>>379816532
Cid needed a bomb. Cid had a bomb, but it was a normal bomb that explodes when it hits something, so he jumped with it to detonate it. What's the problem?

>>379815917
I haven't played it yet, it seems rather intimidating. It's high up on my backlog though.
The impression I get is that it's more of a tabletop RPG than a standard JRPG. Seems like it's best to go into it with an open mind rather than having a preconceived notion of a JRPG or even a SaGa game.

>>379816006
It's a different type of JRPG than what you're probably used to so what I consider strengths you may consider weaknesses, but one of the SaGa series' strengths include the freeform scenario system. There is nonlinear progression, you adventure around and discover independent quests and progress the story as you adventure. There are tons of quests and you are unlikely to stumble across all of them in a single playthrough so that along with the characters leads to a ton of replay value. Speaking of characters, you have a lot of freedom in which characters you choose to use in your party and how you build them. You train in weapons by using them a lot and learn new techniques in the heat of battle as you fight strong foes. Speaking of which, enemies get stronger as you fight more battles so it's not the sort of series where grinding is advisable, instead you always want to adventure further and get stronger along your journey. You have a lot of freedom and a lot of room for strategy in terms of party composition, skills, etc. so boss fights can be complex.

>>379816168
I legit felt terrible for Amanda.
>Was a slave forced to fight for her life.
>Escapes but now her Brother has been cursed.
>You and her find a cure by fighting Medusa.
>She's injured and now is slowly becoming Medusa.
>Forced to kill her.

>>379816709
>explodes when it hits something
Throw it at the fucking ship chasing them. They're flying straight up, it would be impossible to miss.
You can't make up anything to make the scene sensible.

>>379816306
I'm cautiously hopeful that their releasing RS2/3 is a sign that they have interest in bringing it to the west. Unfortunately no one here gives a shit about mobile games or the Vita, so they probably aren't going to pull in enough numbers to justify a release. Maybe I can find a Japanese girlfriend to translate for me.

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>>379816198
Very fair assessment, I actually have all the same feelings more or less but I didn't find it detrimental at all really since I wasn't going in expecting it to be Nocturne 2.

They definitely could've had better bosses though, outside of Madarame I was actually incredibly disappointed with every single one. None of them required any interesting strategy at all, Shadow Kanji is actually one of me favorite MegaTen boss fights and there was nothing of the sort in P5. I also hated the scripted events where you had to send one of your party members to do something, it felt like the turn based equivalent of a QTE since they added nothing to my strategy since being down a member wasn't detrimental at all during any of the fights.

>>379816623
>Didn't grind
>Took them down in one turn
Sure.

>What fucking risk
>Attack but don't knock him out of it because you don't even know if he can be knocked out of it, let alone how many hits/damage it takes
>He steamrolls you
You're not very bright, are you?

>lmao
>It has a phase that stops you from attacking, and then applies buff/dubuffs and takes or gives resources
>But it has a pattern so it doesn't count
You're retarded. We're done here.

>>379816704
If you were near max level and had already made the ultimate persona, then yeah, they won't do all that much damage to you. There aren't a whole lot of games with a secret boss that can stand up to a max level character with the best equipment/abilities.

>>379816006
All depends on the people and which game they are talking about.

What I like about the series is different character growth mechanics, especially in the games with various races since the races grow differently (humans a more natural growth while robots equip items for stats and monsters consuming other monsters to transform) while having a bit more freedom than other games to equip my characters, and also allows you to get lost in the world wondering what the hell you are suppose to do.

Honestly I think the way it approaches character growth in a lot of the games is the best I've seen. Other games might give you standard experience, maybe the more mindful ones will give you an experience boost if you are a lower level than some of the enemies or bosses. In SaGa the harder the enemy the BIGGER the stat gains you get, so you can get a flood of stats after every battle along with learning skills mid battle at clutch moments. There is no other feeling than learning a top tier attack skill against a hard boss.

It is kind of funny when people ask what makes a JRPG a JRPG and they say the most basic mechanic of experience points and levels and it just me think of this question. What about SaGa?

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>>379816410
>>379816650
It sounds a bit like Chrono Cross in general terms, I'm definitely trying it out now. Thanks anons

>>379816820
Yeah man, it's really easy to throw something from a moving ship at a moving ship and know it'll hit. Anyways, you seem really hung up on this one plot point and somehow thing that it makes the whole game shit. That's pretty stupid.

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>>379817070
>There aren't a whole lot of games with a secret boss that can stand up to a max level character with the best equipment/abilities.
*blocks your path*

>>379817070

Yeah except those games don't usually lock the secret bosses behind NG+

If I wanted to complete my compendium before NG+ I had no choice but to accumulate all that power or I would have had to fast forward through every cutscene, dungeon and social link again before I get the opportunity.

It's a terrible decision and I don't understand why you're fighting me on this.

>>379795616
>Favorites
Final Fantasy Legend 2 and 3, Suikoden

>Recent
Lunar

>Looking forward to
Playing the re-releases I bought on Steam (FF7, Grandia 2)

>>379816972
I totally agree with you on bosses too actually, I pretty much forgot about them. I loved Shiro's but that was more ambiance than substance I suppose. Then they reused rivers in the dessert on the holy grail and I was so sad they devalued the best song in the game by recycling it, especially for a a scripted fight. Also to be fair 3 and 4 really don't have any particularly great bosses either aside from Nyx

I wasn't expecting Nocturne 2 but I was hoping to feel more pushed.

>>379817247
>I did a perfect completionist run and the secret boss was too easy
How would that have been any different if the secret boss was in the first playthrough unless they just dropped it half way into the game? And fuck off with that reddit spacing.

>>379817171
I'm hung up on it because you're trying to argue that it's sensible. It doesn't make the plot shit, it (and the other scenes of its kind) shows the seams in the writing and cheapens both the characters and any scene where a character's life is in danger, because why the fuck should I care if they're just going to come back when the plot determines it's okay for them to do so?

>>379817070

Level is completely irrelevant to the damage they do

>>379815917
Unlimited Saga isn't a game you can apply your past JRPG knowledge to. There are a very few things that translate from other JRPG's to Unlimited Saga. There are turn based battles, you can select your skills in battle, there is map movement, you can properly equip your characters with various equipment.

Things like how HP works, what skills consume, landing on techniques for your skills, unlocking additional properties on your items, to just even leaving the starting town to do your first quest is radically different. You have to have a very open mind for that game.

>>379817070
Plenty of games have that.
Never played P5 though so idk there.

>>379817467
>Why didn't he throw a bomb at a moving target flying through the air?
You're right, it's fucking stupid.

>>379817436

Because I could have done all that stuff after I beat the boss if that boss wasn't in NG+ and way too weak to compete with endgame personas. Are you fucking daft ?

And fuck right off with your underage newfag reddit boogeyman bullshit

>>379817560
They're flying straight up. And even if somehow he misses, he still blows up the walls of the passage which was his goal anyways.

>>379817146
The only real similarities Chrono Cross has is that there are a lot of different characters and a non-traditional leveling system. If you like those parts about it then you will probably enjoy them. The main thing they all share in common is how open they are with little guidance. You either learn to swim or drown and have to start a new game because you fucked your file up beyond saving. A lot of people probably don't like that about it, but I feel like it makes them more rewarding when you finally figure everything out and put together a strong party.

>>379817432
>Also to be fair 3 and 4 really don't have any particularly great bosses either aside from Nyx
I think 4 had a lot of great boss fights actually: Shadow Yukiko, Shadow Kanji, Shadow Teddie, Shadow Mitsuo, Kunino-sagiri and Ameno-sagiri are all pretty good.
Far more demanding than anything in P5 at least.

>>379817648

I wouldn't say all of them are like that. Saga frontier 2 is pretty linear

>>379817468
Your level needs to be above 90 to get the persona that resists all damage, or you need to grind money like a madman.

>>379817593
>The secret boss would have been a challenge if they let me fight it at the start of the game
I don't understand what you're saying.

>And fuck right off with your underage newfag reddit boogeyman bullshit
Shitpost all you want, but only redditors who showed up in the last few years use line breaks in between sentences.

>>379801751
You never stop grinding, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexyGZCZ9KM

>>379817146
Chrono Cross does some good things, especially in regards of battles. Having to use attacks to gain charges to utilize your spells is good since it really does encourage the usage of skills even for regular encounters rather than trying to save all of your skills to dump on a boss. I am a fan of systems that allow you more free usage of skills while not allowing you to completely abuse them.

>>379817630
>They're flying straight up.
Do you know how things like wind and drafts work in the air?

>And even if somehow he misses, he still blows up the walls of the passage
No, it would have just fallen till it hit the bottom.

>>379817648
thanks for the advice I'll probably start with Frontier and Frontier 2 and ease my way into the rest of the series, it sounds like these games are just what i've been needing

can anybody itt recommend me something similar to Suikoden where you have a home base that gets improved over the course of the game?

>>379817742
>Far more demanding than anything in P5 at least
I won't argue with that. Mitsuo was pretty good I suppose and Yukiko was a good test. I just mean relatively speaking to the genre I actually don't think Persona measures up in terms of bosses mechanically

>>379817979
Digimon World 1.

>>379795616
they're all trash

>>379817759

resistance doesnt matter, you just need a persona with high END (60+) and they literally can't do any damage to you. They tickle even on a weakness.

And you don't need a lot of money for that because again, you're in NG+, and you can just pay to summon from your compendium which ignores level restrictions even without strenght unlocked. Not to mention you keep your money into NG+ so it's even less of an issue.

>I don't understand what you're saying.

Because you're fucking retarded. They don't let me challenge the boss at the end of the game either. They don't let me challenge it at all in my whole first playthrough. It makes no sense for it to be so weak in that context.

>Shitpost all you want, but only redditors who showed up in the last few years use line breaks in between sentences.

I was on this website before you even heard of it

>>379817821
thats a big thing i like about it, the only thing i didn't like was how physical attacks were a little too powerful, and the only time i needed to use skills/spells were during boss fights.

>>379817745
Yeah, there's definitely exceptions. That's another one of the good things about them though is that they all try new things so playing through them doesn't get stale.

>>379818080
/thread

>>379818195

To be fair that technically should vary from character to character and most character actually have fairly weak melee attacks, it's just that Serge is a fucking blender

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>playing recently
Nothing but i want to give the neptunia series a shot and everyone recommends starting with VII because it is the most solid one gameplay and story wise, but i can't find it fucking anywhere, all i see is copies of V for ps3, one copy of mk2 and the three vita games, all brand new for bargain prices (10-25 bucks), but sadly i do not own a vita and my ps3 shat the bed two years ago, shall i keep looking for the game or is there another "classic" ie not a spinoff neptunia worth playing for ps4? My computer is total shit by the way, it's a 200 dollars lenovo thinkpad running xubuntu so emulating the rebirth games is out of the question and i do not have a credit card to order from amazon, the taxes would fuck me over considering how little i earn and how little i would use the thing anyway, nevermind most websites not wanting to ship to my poor shit third world country.

>looking forward
Blue reflection and etrian odyssey 5, might skip on EO5 because they replaced almost all the lolis with cowtits and petgirls, and the sole loli is an ugly emaciated zombie thing, the midgets don't count.

>>379818119
>resistance doesnt matter
>You can just summon level 90+persona to fight them if you're already grinded up to level 90
>I was on this website before you even heard of it
Wow, everything you said was fucking retarded. I also liked how you didn't even touch on the challenge involved in double KO'ing them.

>>379818038
>I just mean relatively speaking to the genre I actually don't think Persona measures up in terms of bosses mechanically
What games have good boss fights in your opinion? I wouldn't say that Final Fantasy is a bastion of strategy for combat but X has some really good fights since the combat system can actually be used to its fullest and its not just rock, paper, scissors.
Seymour Flux is probably one of the biggest casual filters.

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>family with the blood of the hero and sky people
>all outclassed by regular monsters
It's a hard life.

>>379818373

Because how is using an aoe every turn a fucking challenge ?

Jesus christ you are a fucking moron, no wonder you think Persona 5 has good bosses, you actually think people need to grind to level 90 to get the endgame personas

>>379818318
thats true now that i think back on it, Serge is just a fucking monster. Next time I play through it I should skip upgrading his weapon

>>379817915
Frontier is a really good one to start with but be careful with Frontier 2. It takes a bit of a U-turn from the series with the story telling and is extremely restrictive in what you can do and its really easy to fuck yourself over. If you feel pretty confident with the mechanics after SF1 though there shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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Don't mind me, just being the best looking JRPG of all time.

>>379818531

Serge is by far the strongest character in the game, both his strenght and magic are stellar and all his techs are great.

>>379818492
>Damage is off by literally even 1
>They res each other
>You don't need to grind to get level 90+ persona
Grinding money is still grinding, retard.

>>379818730

>how DARE you have money in this game you should spend it all on novelty gifts for confidants that don't actually need them to be maxed

lol

>they res each other

then just fucking kill them again ? jesus

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>>379818436
Seymour Flux is a really great pick actually. The non final bosses that pop into my head come from other SMT games and jrpgs with weird/quirky battle systems like Radiant Historia or even the Mario RPGs. Maybe I've been to harsh after all, you make a good point.

I guess my real favorites are from action rpgs when I get down to it

Favorites: Radiant Historia, Dragon's Dogma , Dark Souls, Final Fantasy 1
Recent: Fire Emblem Sacred Stones, Tales of Symphonia,
Looking Forward to: Radiant Historia Perfect Chronology, Dragon's Dogma 2

>>379818891
>Yeah I grinded money but fuck you
>lol
Just kill yourself.

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>>379818926

>dragon dogma 2

Anon...

>>379818924
I've never played Radiant Historia but hear a lot about it, what's the battle system like in that?

Does Chrono Trigger hold up or is it one of those games that was so influential, playing newer JRPGs before it makes it lose a lot of the charm?

>>379819080

It's grid based where positioning matters because a lot of attacks hit certain rows/columns and move ennemies around, and you get bonus damage by slamming ennemies into each other.

Then there's the fact that there's a combo system that gives you bonus damage the more hits you can get off before an ennemy can attack and break your combo, and your party members will have skills to synergize with that like low damage skills but that score a lot of hits

It's very hard to explain but suffice to say there are a lot of mechanics and it's a lot of fun

>>379819080
The enemies are on a 3x3 grid and you have abilities that can move them around it. Imagine FFX's turn display but you can also manipulate the turn order but swapping your character with anyone else, incuding enemies. This lets you play around with ordering (at the cost of taking more damage until that character attacks again) so you can use whoever you need to in a pinch and set up for big combos without giving the enemy a chance to attack. The basic strategy is bunching up enemies then using a powerful attack or magic on the one square of the grid, meaning all the dudes standing there at that time get hit by it.

My biggest complaints with it are that I wish the enemies could do the same back to you and would manipulate their turns as well. Also the UI could be better and more helpful at labeling what buffs/debuffs are active on characters.

>>379819302

It still has a lot of charm, mainly coming from its cast, art direction and music

It's just a fun and cool game, that sort of thing doesn't age unless you absolutely cannot deal with snes graphics.

The main problem is that it tends to be overhyped by normies, and depending on what kind of person you are that kind of thing can ruin your enjoyment ?

But if you just take it at face value, I'd be surprised if you cannot enjoy it and it's endearing cast and story, it's just solid classic adventure.

>>379819302

most jrpgs never copied its mechanics for some reason, so I wouldn't call it "influential". It's still very unique.

>>379819061
Just let me believe

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>>379795616

>>what are your favorites
FF5, SaGa Frontier, Genius of Sappheiros
>>play anything recently
2player FF6
>>what are you looking forward to
Romancing SaGa 3 remix

>>379819302
Its pretty much this >>379819563
and the fact that it has better ATB than any of the final fantasy games since battles are on the map instead of being two groups in straight lines.

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>what are your favorites
Dragon Quest V, Trails in the Sky SC, Etrian Odyssey IV, Ys1+2
>play anything recently
Dawn of Ys, Trails 3rd
>what are you looking forward to
Ys VIII, EO V, a decent crossbell translation, and the new switch SMT game

>>379819685
I tried two player FF6 half a year ago, but my friend has shit taste and ditched it after about 4 hours to play Rocket League and Madden

>>379819685

>romancing saga 3 remix

what ?

>>379819563
Pretty much this. It's really good but the extreme praise is unfortunate. IGN keeps putting as the best RPG of all time and while it's a great game it always feels like it comes from an out of touch place. I think it's been surpassed, but it's probably the best rpg on the SNES

>>379818369
Nigga there's a whole race of lolis they just have horns

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>>379819940
>best RPG on the SNES
not quite

>>379819302
It hasn't "aged" or anything like that, but note that the gameplay was pretty boring even compared to its contemporaries. Likewise, the other aspects of the game are decent but not particularly outstanding even back when it first came out. The main appeal back in the day was the heavy marketing of the "dream team" who made it, nowadays it still gets hyped to hell and back again for whatever reason so you'll still get the same experience.

>>379818450
Bianca turned out pretty good for me with a huge MP pool to blast the enemies with Blazemost/Kafrizzle. The other two have nice variety of spells. I found that more useful than my Messala, Slime Knight and Mudslough.

>>379820120
I haven't played V yet my bad anon

I'm just an 8 and 9 fag

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>>379820120
Whoops meant to post this.

>>379819928
There's a new version of RS3 on the horizon, see the /vr/ thread

>>379820120

I'm the biggest DQ fan on this board. But even I will admit that DQV didn't quite reach its potential until the remakes. It's certainly not going to beat Chrono Trigger for the best SNES RPG. But that's because Chrono Trigger was basically a culmination of all the best ideas the FF and DQ teams had come up with on the SNES, combined into one game. Including a lot of ideas from DQV.

>>379820261
The only SNES FF game that can even be called decent is V.

>>379820261

Sometimes I feel like the only person on earth that didn't really care for FF6

>>379820261
I really really dislike this game

>>379820203
>translated names
Bianca is the only thing I recognize in your sentence. Probably the only drawback of playing in Japanese.
Anyways, it's mostly their HP and Bianca's defense that's killing me. Just getting to Evil Mountain is taking a shitload of healing. I think I'm just gonna give up on only using the family.

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>>379820465
My girl and boy had stellar agility and good equipment so they were pretty much invincible. Let them stay in the wagon, at the end after leveling a bit they'll pull their weight for sure.

>>379820309

>fanpatch

Oh
I'm not too much into that sadly, but good on you guys

>>379795616
>what are your favorites
Top 3 are FFIX, Suikoden II and Vesperia
>play anything recently
Yep, started the first Lunar game yesterday. Also finally got to play through Policenauts some time ago.
>what are you looking forward to
Pretty much nothing, except price drops for existing games like GR2 and Berseria. I'm probably gonna drop out of buying new games after this generation. Gonna buy Zodiac Age when I'll find it cheap.

>>379820730
No I meant this
>>3917243
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/04/10/producer-masanori-ichikawa-hopes-bring-something-new-romancing-saga-3-remaster/

>>379820730
https://twitter.com/SaGa25kawazu/status/851792210731204613

If I already played Minstrel Song inside and out, should I play the original romancing saga game ?

I'm actually curious about how different they might be, but at the same time if Minstrel Song is an upgrade in every single field it might end up being a miserable experience

>>379818369
Why not just try the remake of the first Neptunia, then? The games were made for Vita, so they're not that demanding, but I'm not actually sure how powerful a thinkpad is. If you can't actually play ANY of the Neptunia games, don't feel too bad. The one game I played, which was the first game's remake, wasn't that great. Gameplay was fun until I hit a boss or cutscene because the difficulty spikes are way too high and the dialogue in the game made me feel like my brain cells were dying.

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>>379820465
>>379820203
>>379818450

The wife (whoever you choose) is not suppose to be as strong as her children or the monsters. She's basically just there for the 1-3 hours it takes you to cross the mountain and make it back to your home kingdom.

Of course you can keep using her until the end of the game. The canon party is you, your wife and your kids. And DQV is the easiest DQ game.

>>379820914
>>379820963

Oh damn
Now that's interesting, thanks guys

>>379821028
>And DQV is the easiest DQ game.
I wouldn't call it easier than 1.

>>379821219

But DQ1 isn't easy? It's one of the few DQ games you actually have to stop and grind. And crossing the wrong bridge or running into a certain boss too early is pretty much instant death.

Then you have the name mechanic that determines your stats. Which gives you either a ridiculously overpowered start or a severely under powered one.

I've just bought Persona for the PSP, which route should I go for first? Also, what stats should I be levelling up?

>>379821510

People usually recommend SEBEC route first then snow queen

not that it matters much but magic probably

>>379821457
Just going by personal experience, it's the only one I've played so far that I didn't die in. Maybe I got lucky with whatever that name mechanic is? I knew literally nothing about DQ before I started playing them a month ago. Also I played the SNES version, so that may have warped my perspective.

The only DQ game I ever played was VIII on the PS2. I found it incredibly, mind numbingly slow and couldn't even finish it. Are the others all like that? If they are, how do people sit through that? If they aren't, what's the best one in the series? I know moon so jp only is fine.

>>379820994
The original is pretty good, but unpolished and unfinished. The character designs are a million times better than the remake, Sif is actually good looking in the original. If you want a SFC rpg with radical freedom, take a look.

>>379822116
Yes they are all slow. It's a big part of why the series didn't catch on in the west. It's a series that demands patience.

>>379822116
> what's the best one in the series?
VIII

>>379820994
You probably won't have a fun time unless you can withstand the enemy encounters.

>>379822407

I'm not sure what that means. What's wrong with them ?

>>379822225

Unfinished ? Are there less quests and bosses than in Minstrel Song ?

>>379820261
The only Final Fantasy that I played that I didn't finish.

>>379821674

You might have gotten a good roll on a name and got boosted stats. Especially if you used the canon name for the hero which gives the best stats.

>>379822532
There can be a copious amount of enemies on screen.

My favourite will always be Okami. Hands down.

>>379822785
you can walk around most of them with juking skills

>>379822879
not a rpg

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>>379822116

Dragon Quest games focus on free exploration and NPC interaction. Not just rushing to the next story event. So it probably just isn't the game for you. It's like how some people prefer the open ended gameplay of the latest Zelda game while others prefer the extremely linear and narrative focused nature of Twilight Princess.

As for which is better, that will be different depending on who you ask. The most popular ones to western fans tends to be V, VIII and IX. But that's mostly because they got the most hype in the west. If you truly do prefer more direct story and being told where to go, then DQV will probably be for you. But even then, you will probably get turned off by its slow start.

>>379822892
You could, but it is a bit over done compared to other RPG's with on screen enemies that initiate encounters. It is just a fair warning, that's all.

>>379821219
DQ1 doesn't have wagon members and a Sage Stone that keeps you alive indefinitely. And when your hero gets afflicted with a status effect it's over.

>>379820379
You're not the only one. The game is insultingly easy and doesn't have a cool customization system like some of the others. The audio and visuals are premium quality though.

>>379822327
>>379822992
But that's not patience through encouraging exploration, it's tedium. Everything down to the battles takes forever for each character to act, and leveling is incredibly slow unless you grind metal slimes. I've played rpgs where I spend dozens of hours just exploring optional dungeons and doing quests, DQVIII wasn't a big world full of so many interesting things to explore that I lost track of the main story, it just had a main story and sidequests that all went at a snails pace. Hell, in VIII at one point they even make a joke about how ridiculously long it takes to get anything done right around the time you have to look for a magic shark to flash the magic mirror. The only other game I ever played that plodded along that slowly was Digimon World 2, and that was one of the worst games I've ever played right up there with FFXIII.

>If you truly do prefer more direct story and being told where to go, then DQV will probably be for you. But even then, you will probably get turned off by its slow start.
I like some degree of freedom in what I do and when, but if I decide to do something, I don't want it to take forever. Keep in mind I had the patience to farm the materials you need for the Tounesol in FFXII, and anyone who actually got all the hellfire manes (or whatever those were) can tell you how bullshit it was to collect those.
>>379822337
Thanks. Now I know not to try the others if that was a high point.

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I made myself an undub of Skies of Arcadia Legends. It's such a great game.

>>379820379

FFVI was the first RPG I ever tried playing. I didn't really get the mechanics or why it had random battles and all that junk. Suffice to say I played other games like Chrono, Suikoden and Dragon Quest which got me hooked on them.

Then I came back and tried FFVI. What I found was all those mechanics and annoyances I felt the first time I tried it were still there. ATB was bugged, the UI was horrid, dialogue in cutscenes was spotty at best and etc. I still made it through the game, but it really wasn't that amazing. But I went on and tried the other FF games. And found they all had their own list of troubles as well. And FFVI actually turned out to be one of the better FF games in my experience.

I don't think it's so much that FFVI is bad, but FF games on the whole have issues. I suppose that's what happens when you focus so much on cutscenes and story that gameplay and design get overlooked.

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>>379823624

>Everything down to the battles takes forever for each character to act, and leveling is incredibly slow unless you grind metal slimes.
The battles in DQVIII are not slow. You want slow battles? Play a game like Final Fantasy IX. You can complete an entire battle in DQVIII in the amount of time it takes for a battle to load in FFIX. Not to mention how long it takes to watch the attack animation go through.

The DQ games before VIII were even faster. I would even say they are the fastest battles I've ever seen in a JRPG. They load instantly and attacks have no animations. Battles can be as short as 5 seconds.

As for leveling being too slow, I don't know what you expect. EXP is balanced to the pace of the game. Especially in a game like DQVIII, you don't need to stop and grind at all, unless all you do is spam attack and ignore all skills. But that would be your fault.

>DQVIII wasn't a big world full of so many interesting things to explore that I lost track of the main story
Wow, I don't know what other JRPGs you've been playing but I feel the exact opposite. DQVIII was a major turning point in exploration of JRPGs in my experience.

>Hell, in VIII at one point they even make a joke about how ridiculously long it takes to get anything done right around the time you have to look for a magic shark to flash the magic mirror.
Which ironically can be done in about 5 minutes. The joke is that the team is worried it will take forever to FIND the flash dragon. But if you paid attention to the dialogue from the seer who told you about the mirror, he flat out tells you that the dragon lives. Under a city between the two continents. Get in your boat and sail there and the dragon spawns.

You really just sound like someone who has no patience for exploring. You need a clear objective and a direction to go all the time. That's fine, there's plenty of games out there for you. But Dragon Quest is not one of them.

>>379822116
What in particular did you find slow? The combat is fairly fast as far as turn based games are concerned, the menus all pop up instantly and the animations are all very quick so how fast it goes really just depends on how fast you input the commands. If you want a slow game you should take a look at FFX, it's absolutely dreadful how slow it is in comparison.

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>>379824664
Post more Jessica.

>>379824664
>Play a game like Final Fantasy IX.
I did and it was great. DQ was significantly slower, not counting the load screen into battles.

> EXP is balanced to the pace of the game.
Play through the game without grinding metal slimes and let me know how long it takes.

>I don't know what other JRPGs you've been playing but I feel the exact opposite
I guess this is why DQ has it's own isolated fanbase in Japan, DQfags are just nuts.

>You really just sound like someone who has no patience for exploring. You need a clear objective and a direction to go all the time
Yeah don't try to spin this around like it's some brilliantly crafted game with well done exploration, and everyone else just wants fast travel and Skyrim objective markers. The game is paced slow as shit from start to finish. If it I have to run half a dozen random errands to progress a single story quest, then there's a problem. Maybe you just enjoy games that provide monotony and tedium. Literally having a text box pop up for each enemy telling me it appeared, then another telling me it's drawing near is not good game design. I can physically see the enemies in front of me, I'm not playing a tabletop game where I need every detail verbally expounded on. You don't need to tell me how much damage I did to the enemy, just show me the damage. Hell, look how long the delay is after each action here
https://youtu.be/--2Z82WJD7c?t=53
and now compare it to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJVOBGK6W1s
where after the initial startup, you pick attacks while things are happening and you don't have to wait for messages to pop up. I'm baffled that you can even pretend DQVIII has faster paced battles.

>>379825032
>If you want a slow game you should take a look at FFX,
Can't remember anything about the battles after acquiring quick hit, because it trivialized everything and didn't let enemies move.

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>>379825953

>I did and it was great. DQ was significantly slower, not counting the load screen into battles.
Okay. Whatever you say.

>Play through the game without grinding metal slimes and let me know how long it takes.
65 hours for my last run of the game. I've played the game 4 times.

>I guess this is why DQ has it's own isolated fanbase in Japan, DQfags are just nuts.
Well so much for intellectual discourse.

>>379825652

No.

>>379825953

>It's boring because I didn't like it!
That's basically what your whole post boils down to. Except your whining about text being shown during battle. Which you can speed up said text in the options. And someone already pointed out above that you can play any of the DQ games before DQ8 and battles are significantly faster.

>>379826320
>Well so much for intellectual discourse.
You said a bunch of shit that was objectively wrong about the battles being fast (literal text popping up to expound on every action is not fast) and then you claimed that the plodding pace is simply the game being open ended and exploration oriented, and that people who don't enjoy it simply don't have the attention span and want to have objective markers. Don't pretend for a second that you want discourse and that you're doing anything other than shoving your hand up your ass, pulling out of a bunch of bullshit to justify your shit taste, taking a whiff of your own farts while you're up there, and then trying to talk down on people who don't have a boner for tedium. Slow does not mean "encourages exploration", it just means slow. Painfully slow. I spent 170 hours clearing every single quest in Xenoblade, and 120 hours exploring every single area in FFXII. I clocked 80+ into Vesperia and I've played through Wild Arms games more times than I can count, and made sure to explore every dungeon and town and talk to NPCs and do sidequests. Me disliking the game has nothing to do with me not liking to take my time and explore things, it has to do with the game being poorly designed. You really seem to be unable to differentiate between shit pacing and exploration.

>>379826717
>It's fun because it's really slow and doesn't confuse or overwhelm me!
That's what your post boils down to, except for when you defend the horrible text bubbles by saying the other games go faster during battles.

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>>379826903

>objectively
>proceeds with an angry rant and a bunch of opinions

Well that's it for me. No point in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day.

>>379827149
>The battles are faster paced than FFIX's battles
No they are not. Objectively. FFIX doesn't stop me any time anyone does anything to spell out which attack they use, how much damage it does, how the enemies are feeling or where they're moving. The shit you said about the battles was objectively wrong.

>B-But my opinions!
I could never figure out the hype behind the series with some people. I think I've got it now, though, it's aimed at a mentally impaired audience who needs their hand held for every little thing that happens.

>>379826903

>You really seem to be unable to differentiate between shit pacing and exploration.
And you really seem to fail to grasp that your experience with the game can be different from how others experience it. Multiple people above tried to explain this to you nicely, but you continued to rant about how DQ8 was horrible pacing and anyone who disagreed with that is stupid and wrong. So you shouldn't be surprised when people started to become more aggressive towards your viewpoint.

To use your own example, you started throwing the shit first. Don't be surprised that people threw shit back at you.

>>379827396
>And you really seem to fail to grasp that your experience with the game can be different from how others experience it.
Oh, you had a version of the game that wasn't slow as shit?

>Multiple people above tried to explain this to you nicely,
I know you're probably actually retarded, so I'll break it down for you. A condescending passive aggressive tone is "explaining it nicely", it's just arguing like a whiny girl.

>Don't be surprised that people threw shit back at you.
Throw all the shit you want, just don't argue like a girl on the rag and then pretend you're not throwing shit. It might also help if you don't switch from "The game isn't slow!" to "Well some people have preferences!" when someone points out that it is in fact painfully slow.

>>379827385

>I think I've got it now, though, it's aimed at a mentally impaired audience who needs their hand held for every little thing that happens.
Oh the irony.

>>379827750
No actually, it's not irony. I know you think it is because you're still running with the "Everyone who doesn't like the game wants quest markers and story only with no sidequests!" thing, but I've mentioned quite a few other games, and you're claim is bullshit. You on the other hand are praising up a game that literally explains every single action and event in excruciating detail. Learn what irony actually means, you fucking retard.

>>379827636

>Oh, you had a version of the game that wasn't slow as shit?
Funny enough, the Japanese version of the game was faster than the western release. Due to bad coding when adding voices to the western localization, there was lag added to the loading of battles and after certain attacks. This was fixed in the 3DS release of the game, bringing the speed up to what it was in the original Japanese release on PS2. Actually a little faster because it loaded from a cart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBZ8ZYdEB8

There's also what someone mentioned above, that all the games before DQ8 were super fast. A 1 second loading time before battles and less than a second for each attack because of the first person view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jju1KSbzoM

But since this is just a big e-penis pride battle for you now, you don't really care about any of that, do you?

>>379827636

>A condescending passive aggressive tone is "explaining it nicely", it's just arguing like a whiny girl.
I think you mean isn't. And the fact that you think a person has a weak argument because they don't call them stupid and try to 'dominate' them is pretty much killing your point. Also quite funny since earlier in this thread you were the one who was whining. And you tried turning it around by getting defensive and angry. Sorry buddy, but you using terms like objectively and calling people retarded doesn't make your argument stronger or make you look manlier. It does quite the opposite.

>>379823719
Her face when reading the last couple posts

>>379828476
>But since this is just a big e-penis pride battle for you now, you don't really care about any of that, do you?
No actually, those things do matter. The gameplay you showed from V still has slow text boxes and plodding pacing with the text that comes up when she moves up and down the stairs, but the battle text actually makes sense given that it's a first person battle setup and the text doesn't actually completely stop what's going on. That's a world of difference. It still looks slow, but at least playable. If VIII actually got slowed down a bunch on top of needless text bubbles for everything that happened, then if someone says "The game is slow" the response should be "Yeah, it got slowed down" and not "Guess you just don't have patience lol".

>>379829249
>sorry sweety lol ok honey
The person has a weak argument because they say a bunch of shit that's objectively wrong (yes objectively wrong. FFIX having slower battles than DQVIII is objectively wrong), not because they're typing like a faggot. If mean words after an explanation why the things you're saying are completely and objectively wrong hurt your feelings then maybe you should try /vg/ or reddit instead.

Favorites
>Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, SMT: Nocturne
Played anything recently
>Nioh right now, Doing NG+ of Cold Steel
What are you looking forward to
>the new IP from the same team that made I am sestuna

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>>379829458

>The gameplay you showed from V still has slow text boxes
Please tell me any JRPG out there that has faster combat. You're focusing entirely on how much you hate text boxes and not the actual speed of battle. That video I posted shows the text appearing as the visual of the attack is going on. It's going so fast you don't even have time to read all the text.

And I'm sorry, but compare that to any FF game. Especially the ones with ATB. 0.5 seconds worth of text shown simultaneously with an attack animation is WAY faster than waiting 5-7 seconds for an ATB bar to fill up and then selecting your attack and then watching the character do the attack in a separate action.

>>379829458

>The person has a weak argument because they say a bunch of shit that's objectively wrong
So do you. People have pointed out various mistakes you've made. You just deflect by calling them retarded and coming up with some new talking point. Just as you're going to do with this post.

>>379829867
>You're focusing entirely on how much you hate text boxes and not the actual speed of battle
Guess what retard, if the text boxes actually show up in the battles, then they're part of the battle speed. And I literally said that V's battles made sense having text boxes because it's first person. Can you actually even read English, because I don't think you can. I specifically talked about text boxes when walking up and down stairs.

>waiting 5-7 seconds for an ATB bar to fill up and then selecting your attack and then watching the character do the attack in a separate action.
You mean the thing that happens while everyone is attacking and doesn't actually stop anything? You understand there's a setting for that, right? Show me the setting in DQVIII where I don't have to wait for a text box to pop up after each action and wait half a second for the next action to start.

>>379830048
>People have pointed out various mistakes you've made
No they have not. The guy above me just tried making a point about FF's ATB, and he's objectively (yes that's how you use the word) wrong, because the ATB filling and menu selection doesn't actually pause the battles. There are no turns, everything just keeps happening in order. He also blatantly misquoted what I said about V. Seriously, how stupid are you? You're just saying shit that isn't true and then claiming it's true.

>>379815917
>Unlimited
Unlimited is basically the Finnegan's Wake of RPGs, unless you really want to spend some time decoding how the game works, what it wants from you and how to play it you'll hate it and think it's an incomprehensible clusterfuck, truth is it's far from that.

I personally love it despite a few flaws it has, but it's a game that requires a very different approach to the genre altogether, it's a game that was explicitly designed to push the genre further, and that it did, although like most games in the series people only started to implement the stuff it did years later because it was way too progressive for its time and the vast majority of people couldn't understand anything about it, many SaGa veterans included.
>>379829867
>Please tell me any JRPG out there that has faster combat.
Not him, but the DS Metal Max games have lightning fast combat, even faster than 2D SMT games, actually that might be way too fast for most people, even I had trouble remembering or even actually discerning who I damaged and who I missed sometimes, especially with monsters that have multiple parts, in hindsight that wasn't a good visual design choice.

>>379829867
>faster combat
Not him, but Genius of Sappheiros is very fast when you turn off battle effects. Such a neat option, wish all games has it. Pokemon had something similar but is dragged down by the slowly depleting HP gauge.

>>379830318

> Can you actually even read English
Actually I can. You said:

>It still looks slow, but at least playable.

You acknowledged that the text doesn't interfere with the battle (confirming my point). But then you just had to add that little caviat that 'it still looks slow' at the end, because you have this dumb idea in your head that you're going to show weakness by agreeing or confirming anything I say.

And you still didn't provide any example of a faster battle system than the one you blatantly called slow. Other people provided examples, but you just got angry and tried to claim I couldn't read. But apparently you couldn't even read your own post.

>>379830649

And Pokemon has the really annoying long start before every battle. Even just random pokemon you find in the field, you have to watch your trainer slowly slide across the screen. Then he throws the Pokemon. Then the Pokemon squeals...oh, now I can finally do something after about 20 seconds.

>>379832287
Jesus fuck you're stupid.
>Yeah you said that, BUT
No, that's not how it works you stupid little faggot. It makes more sense to have the text in battles when you can't see the characters, but it is still slowed down with text boxes. The battles are paced better in every FF game as I explained because the action actually flows. The ATB doesn't every break up the action, because it fills up and lets you select moves while the fight is actually happening. The flow is never broken, which is a point you honestly can't seem to grasp. You want another example? Any of the last 3 Persona games. Press triangle and it ends in seconds. I'll reiterate again: You're a fucking idiot and you can't read.

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>>379795616
>what are your favorites
Grandia, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of the Abyss/Berseria, TiTS, Lost Odyssey, NIER
>play anything recently
Nope
>what are you looking forward to
Nothing. Too many I've left unfinished and some of them have burned the fuck out of me.

>>379803295
Grandia and Star Ocean 2 are the best JRPG's ever on PS1

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Been playing Persona 5 lately, and favourite is Devil Survivor series.

Next I am going for the eithrr DDS games, or SoulSilver. Depending on if I get a new ps2 before I finish Persona 5

>>379795616
>Ameriplebilarditard covers
Garbage

What good Jrpgs does ps3 have?

I have Ni No Kuni, but by god I swear you need a third hand for it to enjoy the combat.
Other than that, I don't know much else beyond that and the Folklore game from the launch.

>>379834001
Not much.That said, Vesperia is fucking phenomenal and one of my favorites. Other than that and Ni no Kuni (combat was meh, but holy shit that world map and music and art) PS3 has Nier. If you know moon then play Replicant. If not, they might be making a remaster for PS4 so you can wait on that. The Neptunia games are fun if you're into that, and then there's some Atelier stuff.

>>379832703

>Yeah you said that, BUT
>No, that's not how it works you stupid little faggot.
Apparently it does. Because the post you just made hinges on you omitting something you fucking said in the post before that. You are in effect doing the exact thing you are accusing me of.

>The battles are paced better in every FF game as I explained because the action actually flows.
First of all, HAHAHAHA! You actually think action 'flows' in a FF game? Oh my god, you're reaching so far, you could grab the moon out of the sky.

Second of all, you completely changed your argument. We were arguing about which battle was faster. It's just a fact that a battle in DQV can be as short as 5 seconds. While it takes more than 5 seconds just to fill up the ATB bar in any FF game. Hell, even in the FF games without an ATB bar the battles are much slower.

Now, because you know there's no way to argue against that, you've changed your point to 'the pacing is better'. I will agree, this makes more sense with your argument, since you are so focused on text boxes getting in the way of combat. But that's not what you were fucking arguing for the bulk of this discussion.

And yet again, saying a FF game has better pacing is absolutely the worst example you could give.

>I'll reiterate again: You're a fucking idiot and you can't read.
Like you can't read your own posts when you keep alternating between talking about the speed of the battle and pacing of the battle. They are not the same thing. Except to an idiot I guess.

>>379834001

All the PS1 and PS2 games on PSN. Aside from those, the best RPGs on PS3 itself are the games where RPG is mixed with another genre. Like Valkyria Chronicles.

>>379834001
Atelier games if you're into those, the Dusk series is p. good.
NIER
Tales of Vesperia undub. You do have a CFW right?
Tales of Xillia 1+2. Again undub.
Tales of Graces F. Do I have to say it again?
Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5

That's about it.

>>379834370
Sorry, you're getting really fucking stupid and I don't have the patience to quote all of that garbage, so I'll just list them all off quickly. No it doesn't, I acknowledged it was better but still flawed, and specifically mentioned the gameplay in the field and not battles in the first V post. Yes, FF fights flow with the ATB, you can stop pretending to be retarded. I've been talking about shit pacing the whole time, learn to read (and there isn't a single battle in VIII that's even close to 5 seconds). No, I haven't changed shit. Learn to read English, and again, VIII is still slow as shit. No, FF isn't the worst example. I've been talking about both,
>>379823624
>Everything down to the battles takes forever for each character to act
I specifically talked about the horribly slow time between actions in my first post on the topic. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to understand that me talking about shit battle pacing is me talking about pacing because I didn't say "This is me talking about pacing." Though given that you like DQ's shitty exposition stuff I can see how you'd need something like that to explain what's going on. Oh, and here's my next post
>>379825953
>The game is paced slow as shit from start to finish
Now please tell me how I haven't always been talking about pacing.

>>379834001
Atelier (Arland Trilogy and Ayesha) and Trails of Cold Steel.

>>379834001
I'll add Resonance of Fate/End of Eternity to those already mentioned

>>379814051
I bitch about the orphanage twist because it made Squall totally unrelatable. After finding out the reason he's such a mopey twat is because he has no parents makes him nothing more than a gigantic selfish pussy, especially since everyone else in the game was able to get the fuck over it and move on with their lives. People always bitch about Cloud and Tidus being "emo" and "whiny" yet give a free pass to the one guy who's worse than both of them, I just don't get it.

>>379814351
>People don't like the junction system because they were stupid kids and couldn't figure it out, so leveling without junctioning magic properly got their faces raped because of the scaling.

Nice projection. The fucking auto-junction by itself completely contradicts your "argument". The level scaling is what made the game easy if anything. Drawing magic is the worst mechanic in a JRPG ever and should never have been implemented in the first place.