>video games aren't ar-

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>>373202004

hurts my eyes and is ugly to boot

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>>373202059

>>373202073
Post better looking open worlds, please.

>>373202073
that's what she said

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>>373202114

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>>373202073
Hello?

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>>373202776

-t

>>373202834
>posters: 4

>>373203069
>braindead retard saying what everyone knows: 1

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>Actually wanting anything you like to be """Art"""

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GRRRRRR!
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>373201926
>he defines art by visuals

It's a gorgeous game but you could consolidate a few of these images.
Some aren't great and some are just another take on the same area.

>Ah it's so pretty, therefor it's art

>>373203572
yeah... OP repeated the same lord ofthe mountain + naydra in background shot multiple times. i think ehs the Xenoblade X guy, it's a nice idea but trying too hard.

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>actual resolution

I'm not trying to be a prick but the game looks horrible, just a pastel of bright colors. I've seen gamecube games more attractive.

>>373203958
Why would we care about your opinion?

>>373203576
you clearly dont know what art is

>>373203576
how the fuck do you define art?

if you try and claim only a masterpiece is art you're already wrong

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>>373203685
I'm not a fanboy, there isn't that much going on in the game to make pics of besides Asian dragons.

Any of my moded fallout: new vagas screenshots look better and any whitcher 3 screenshots look better. Absolutely ugly zelda game with boring pastel colors that want to make my eyes bleed and the ground textures that look like vomit.

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Oh greaaaat, another nintendoshill thread.

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>>373205281

>>373205430
It's not about textures, polycount or something. It's about variety, use of colors, locations you immediately see are handcrafted.

Fallout and Witcher 3 are 99% generic and use the same assets everywhere in the world.

Looks good. Still not art.

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>>373205539
You also have floating grass meshes everywhere. It's literally generic. I've never seen this in Zelda.

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>>373205816

Star Wars Rogue One had plenty of equally impressive computer generated "vistas", and nobody calls that stupid movie a work of art. Eyecandy by itself is not art.

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>>373205816

>>373206320
Nothing is as ambivalent as art. The four beasts are art, visually and technically. It's not just beautiful things in the background. Pictures don't do them justice, though - which is how you see if a video game is art.

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>>373205816

>>373206486
>The four beasts are art, visually and technically.


.... uuuuuuh, what?

>>373206526
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/24024914/

I know it's good but are you trying to imply that PC/PS4/ Xbone lol can't achieve those high level graphics?

>>373206589
The way you have to climb Ruta's trunk, control it over your map, paraglide from one spot to another and just approach this titan your own way with that interplay of amazing music and graphics is what I'd consider art. Every shit is art today, no idea why game design can't be.

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>>373206818
No. It's about art.

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>>373201926(You)
>bright as fuck landscapes are art
HURR DURRR DURRRR HYRYR RHRHRH

>>373205539
>use of colors
You mean every picture is Green, Blue and Yellow and that's about it?

Seriously. Where is all the color? I think that's one of my main issues with how the game looks. I just feel a bit washed out and not very interesting.

>>373201926
god damn why does it look so crap?
god damn it man, skyrim looks better then this and that games from 2011, SIX years and we've managed to regress in the graphics department.
I know what it is, its the fog thats omnipresent, the low resolution, the shading that doesnt seem well done, the fucking fog, the brightness/contrast seems weird in some places AND THE FOG, WHY IS THERE SO MUCH FOG

>>373207004
Each on it's own then. I'm a PCfag and sonybros but I can't say that I don't like Botw because of it's comfier setting. Props to nintendo for giving me a slight consideration to buy another console from them.I always pay for games or console that manages to impress me but I'm giving switch a time to ripe.For the mean time I will use CEMU to emulate the games from them

>>373201926
>>373202004
>>373202059
>>373202114
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>>373202207
Woah, so this is the power of Photoshop? Woah...

>>373201926
I have the Wii U version and the frame rate drops are pissing me off. Should I emulate it? Is it emulating reliably at this point?

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Pure art OP thanks. I feel culturally enriched now. Just like when I saw this.

It's a shame the character models all look like absolute trash. Dosn't work at all the with rest of the art and it just looks messy, which is weird since they were sort of going for a simple style.

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>>373207227
>one Sony pony pretends it looks HORRIBLE

>>373207360
>other Sony pony pretends it looks so good, it must be photoshopped when the pictures are directly from the Switch (downscales and compressed because Nintendo is retarded, it looks a lot better in motion)

Decide for a narrative.

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>>373207485
>character models look bad
That's like factually wrong. Impa looks like straight out of an anime.

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>>373207602

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>all those details of each horse armor
>probably would be 20 bucks in a Bethesda game

>>373207602
And "pure" anime in a 3D game have always looked wonky and weird.

Not to mention it's just inconsistent.
>character is cell shaded
>hat anchor thingies are realistically shaded

Hell, where is that blue light even coming from when she has a yellow lantern next to her?

>>373207892
>Latern to her left above her obscured by her hat
You have bigger things to complain about than that blue light.

>>373208019
It just looked a bit weird. It wasn't really a proper full complaint, I mean for all I know there might be a blue light just in front of her.

>>373207489
No the art is pretty shit even fore stylization it looks blurry and stretched and bloom is used to hide it.

>>373208349
>fore
Go back to bed BR.

>>373205528
Funny how I only see Horizon talked about on BotW threads.

This thread was it, I'm buying this game for Wii U now, I thought I could wait to more Switches in stock, but man, this game

Anything can be art as long as it has a meaning or expression behind it. It's a blanket term.

What actually matters is whether or the art is good.

>>373208505
Coming out around the same time is the only reason anyone remembers that Horizon exists.

>>373208709
the shill convinced you?

>>373208809
>Anything can be art
No, fuck off CIA. Take your shitty modern art with you.

>>373208709
Just know that framerate is pretty shit on the Wii U.

If it didn't have fog 10 feet in front of you at literally all times to cover up the N64 textures it might look good. But as it is now BotW is fucking disgusting looking.

>>373207416
Framerate should be great after the last patch.

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>>373201926
I want it still considered not art despite being as beautiful as the art should be.
Being art nowadays requires to be under the rule of politically correct and all other bullshits.
So I want it continue being product.

It's kind of curious how the art lost its beauty and the products is now more beautiful.

>>373201926
Op I understand your point but judging a game by its visuals can't determine if it's art because it's only part of the experience. It's like judging a movie by its soundtrack. Gameplay is also part of the art criteria for games. In BotW's case it has amazing gameplay though, so it's still art.

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>>373208931
That fog is a 500 meters away. Who taught you how to measure distance, Stevie Wonder?

>>373208809
What does "good" even fucking mean, is it objectively how hard it is to make or is it subjective?

>>373201926
>Its art because it's pretty


nope.

>>373209115
Sorry you're delusional friend. The game looks like shit

>>373208931
What are you talking about? The atmospheric scattering is exaggerated for effect, but the game has a massive draw distance. It's genuinely impressive, and I've never noticed a single LOD model in dozens of hours, which is mindblowing.

>people are awakening to BotW's beauty
It took /v/ a long time

>>373208990
When was the patch? I played on Thursday and it was still terrible at Kakariko village.

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>>373208931
Fog and constant rain is awful but what you say isn't true. It's not limitations or something. It's just a shitty weather cycle. Many times there is barely any fog.

And 500 feet isn't 10 feet.

>>373209130
Largely subjective. Technical complexity has never a particularly important part of the evaluation of art, which is why art is the primary medium for laundering.

>>373209174
So this....is the power.....of being a fanboy.....woah
>>373209241
Doesn't help that it looks like it's 480p upscaled to 720p either.

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>>373209170
It's beautiful as fuck on Switch and Cemu. Screenshots are compressed and don't do it justice.

You just have shittaste. Happens.

>>373209170
>UH UH UH ITS SHIT
LMAO GET BTFO KID

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>>373208809
>uses another blanket term to describe if something matters

>>373209241
The rain is beautiful though.

>>373202114
Pretty much every open world game ever except Fallout 3 and New Vegas look better than this

>>373209317
>>373209339
>Plays Zelda
>owns a switch or a wii u
>calling anybody else a kid or saying that they have shit taste
Ah yes I love nintendogaf. It's truly the thinking man's shitpost board.

>>373209419
The point of greentext meme is that it's contradicting, anon.

I dont think you know what art is you moron

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>>373209419
>Owns a switch or a wii u

>>373209502
Then why lie about the game? Because if you're emulating it doesn't even work right so you can't play it properly.

>>373209418
Yeah, glitchy, procedurally generated shitfests like >>373209387 after 40 patches without any art at all, literally just realistic fields.

If this is beautiful to you, so be it. I have different standards. Even Wind Waker is more beautiful than whatever games you are probably talking about.

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>>373209473
Oh please, please define it for us, you mature Sony bro. Show us how we're wrong. Do it.

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>>373202073
You maybe the one who like art style like this pic related.
Obs: It's an painting, not an photo. It's called "hyper realism", photorealism art in HD or 4K.

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>>373209547
>Then why lie about the game
In what post of mine did I say anything about having played the game yet? I'm literally here just to shit on you underageb& shitposters.

>>373209419
>NeoGA/v/ pretends they're mature
Ok son

>>373209606
>tfw he actually comes back with Wikipedia rhetorics and think it helps his case

game actually looks like shit, are you trolling?

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>>373209887
Shit or so good it's photoshopped? You guys really have to make up your minds.

And post some games that are more varied with more different assets and more colors in an open world. Preferably with actual gameplay and level design.

>>373209994
your specific criteria that happens to all apply to zelda isn't the basis for which every game is judged, nintenbro

>>373210234
can't say nin-toddler anymore? top lel. /v/ really is the worst board on 4chan

>>373210324
cant say sonybro or pcbro either

>>373208931
What fog

>>373201926
Wow, the Nintendo 64 sure did have great graphics!

>>373209887
You and everyone saying it looks like shit need to get their eyes checked. You have no aesthetic sense whatsoever.

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>>373206560

I want at least one more game iterating on this artstyle. It looks so good and there's room to add some more technical wizardry since they don't have to target the WiiU.

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>>373210234
Interactivity, verticality, actual level design and gameplay shouldn't be "specific" criteria. It's sad this is wha it actually has come to. Alundra is dead, Metroid is dead, Okami is dead, Darksiders is dead, classic Tomb Raider is dead, Zelda is almost dead too, at least its dungeons.

Why? Because of retards like you. Your games look like trash compared to BotW. They lack soul. They have no love for detail. You can see with your eyes, you don't even have to play them. You see it was a fat liberal with a shitty SpeedTree programme. They have literally no game design.

People like you ruin video games.

why is there so much mist in this game? everything looks washed out.

>>373210969
Because Monolith Soft developers worked on the game and they didn't want it to look better than Xenoblade X on Wii U so they designed the most fucked up weather system ever in a video game.

The game can have clear, beautiful weather, it's just super rare.

>>373201926
>Discount Okami
At least post the original

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>>373210651

>vidyas argument for art is an open world meme game
LOL

>>373210651
Goddamn that beach/island. I want to explore that.

I WANT BOSS RUSH MODE REEEEE 3 STEPS BACKWARDS LIKE ALWAYS NINTENDOOOOOOOOOO

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>>373211375

>>373211587
Yes.

breath of the wild? yeah, i remember that game.

>>373201926
>meanwhile MGS2 exists which uses the Medium to deliver its massage

>>373211587
>Open world can't be art

Why does the genre have anything to do with looking nice or world building?

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What is "art" exactly?

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>>373207764

>what's that you want the trailer's and memories horse armor?
>15$ ;^))))))))

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>>373212934
Western concept of art is hyper realism like this paint.
No, it is not a photo.

Or those ones.
>>373207430
>>373209083
>>373203247

>>373212934
I'd love to have a bonsai but the cheapest one is like half of my salary

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>cel shading shit
>art

>>373213561
Get 4 Titan Xp and SLI it.
Because it is not photorealistic or hyper realistic enough.

At least Zelda is being honest to stay in childish cel-shading.

>>373213337
It's a really cheap hobby you retard. Literally $20 at your local nursey or free if you get your own raw materials.

No fucker is buying those hundred dollar trees, they would die anyway with a beginner.

>>373213561
This is not how an real tree looks like.

>good graphics is art

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>>373213561
Please no procedurally generated western games here that look the exact same everywhere in the overwield and needs long loading times to go to an area where it uses slightly different assets. Zelda and Xenoblade X a true open world greatness. Not comparable with this glitchy trash that's still unplayable after 40 patches and also has shit gameplay.

>>373207764
God damn this looks worse than majority of ps2 games

>>373201926
se

Why are landscape paintings considered true art but landscapes in vidya aren't? Journey isn't art because it's a video game but if you took a scene from that game and hand painted it, would that be art?

>>373214447
Switch downscales and compresses screenshots. It should be 900p with less aliasing and artefacts.

People should watch Youtube videos if they want to know what the game looks like.

Nintendo is retarded.

>>373201926
>it's an "art equals gud grafyks" episode
>it's a "my daddy console can beat up your daddy console" episode
>it's a "fucking liberals and their (((modernism))) " episode

>>373214629
>Why are landscape paintings considered true art
they're not, at least not nowadays

>>373210931
Jesus Christ this game looks amazing at highe resolution.

>>373213781
Rude

>>373201926

>we want to be Ghibli sooooo baaaad

>>373214803
What's wrong with this?

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>>373214353
You mean artistically crafted mature emotional adventure with real characters and story telling?

>>373214771
Sorry man. I just really like loli trees

>>373214903

>copy early access pc games and boring ass ubisoft open world mechanics
>copy ghibli artstyle
>10/10 a nintendo classic for the ages

>>373206880
shadow of colossus did this a million years ago

>>373201926
Pretty graphics =/= artistic value

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>>373214992
>copy ghibli artstyle
I'm talking about artstyle, not about the gameplay.

>>373214637
Still, the graphics are gimmicky just to make up for awful specs. Shit ton of bloom, boring empty fields, fog, almost no textures, plain objects, bright color palette. All this just for the switch to not shit its insides out. Yet, it still manages to drop fps.

See you in 6 months when a new game for the switch comes out, if someone manages to code something decent looking while not frying the console to shit.

When will nintendo-manbabys open their eyes?

>>373201926
SURE, LET ME JUST HANG MY VIDEOGAME UP ON THIS WALL THERE, SEE, AND NOW MY GUESTS CAN SEE THIS FINE ART!

>>373214936
Is "can't see shit" your interpretation of artistic?

>>373215682
He( >>373214936 ) needs some lessons about how to take a photo.

Lange, go back to working on Sonic Utopia.

First time I see some decent screens of the game. Nintendo should hope people post those more. Most fans are dumb and make butt ugly screens... Or the ones in this thread are extremely cherry picked.

>>373212934

Ive gone through art school and the one fucking thing they keep screeching at you is that art is whatever you want it to be as soon as you say its art.

So fucking anything.. It doesnt even need to convey anything.

>>373215975
Well, cherry-picking is what good photography is all about, isn't it? You can find plenty of ugly spots if you wanted, it's a huge world. But why focus on that?

>>373216104
good thing you went to art school for that

>there are people on this board that think BOTW doesn't look good
>they don't think it looks incredibly enticing to explore and that the environments aren't creative and visually well balanced
>they barely seem to care about exploration period

This board has become something I can no longer resonate with. I really can't stand the current 17-20 year olds.

>>373216104
The one I went to stated it could be anything, but you have to back it up why it is.

This video game really is art....

because all you can do is look at it
a big empty field
nothing to do
3 enemy types

wow

>>373202114
Minecraft looks better, ngl

>>373216571
Ahh..
Even the gameplay and content supports the minimalistic style the series is now adapting....
Magnificent.

>>373216446
Isn't it nice to have an open world with so much varaince in terrain, biomes, and climate?

Don't understand why so many open "world" games take place in one samey city, or tropical islands, or vaguely European/American forest.

https://www.moma.org/collection/works/164920

Dwarf Fortress is in moma, must be art

>>373212640
If you want a bossrush, just start a new profile to get a new safe file and go to Ganon without doing a single Divine Beast (you can do as many shrines as you want)

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Would you?

>>373216446
>>373216812
Yes, thank you both. I could never get into other open world games. Skyrim, Fallout 3, New Vegas, Just Cause 3 to name a few.
It all felt like I was uncovering a pile of uninspired garbage. There was no sense of exploration or discovery, only a feeling of obligation.
Breath of the Wild made me want to keep playing and never put it down. Every area felt genuinely new.

>>373216446
I'm 26, and I simply don't see the performance and fidelity of the game to be acceptable.

I'm loosely keeping my eye on that emulator that's working on it. I think I'll play it on that if it gets stable.

If they released a port for PC, I would gladly buy it.

>>373217082
I didn't have much of a choice since she kinda raped me.

>>373212664
>that last shot

Damn.

>>373216812
Because it's jarring. Going 500m to pass through desert to frozen wasteland to savana doesn't make sense.
Am I supposed to pretend that Hyrule is larger than 9km by 6.8km ?

BOTW is one of the worst looking first party Nintendo games. Wind Waker and Super Mario Galaxy are way more visually appealing.

>>373217243
Damn indeed, that location is a shrine to Satoru Iwata.

>>373217160
It runs good on Switch.

>>373217275
It does though, the frozen wasteland is super high up.

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Why did they make the children look so confusing, though?

Real talk

Why does everything look so blurry and unfocused?

They already went for a cartoony style, which is fine, but how is it still so low quality?

>>373217160
The performance was absolutely unplayable territory so bad I still have no idea how anyone could give the game more than 6/10.

However, since the latest patch the performance is actually great.

Why gamers have the idea that if looks pretty should be art?

It doesn't work that way

>>373217461
Anyone who wouldn't fuck them hard is gay.

>>373217461
>loli telling you what sound it makes when she touches herself
Damn Nintendo, definitely knows their target audience.

>>373217417
>>373217536
I don't see 900p/720p at 30FPS as "good" or "great", even if it was a stable 30. Are you both primarily console gamers?

After playing something like The Witcher 3 at 3440x1440/60FPS, it's very hard to tolerate the dismal specs of the Switch.

>>373217679
Anon, that is a child.

>>373217503
Because 4chan is shit and you look at the pictures embed instead of clicking them. Which is what most people do, I bet.

>>373201926
t.

Video games cannot be art.

>>373217503
It works a lot better in-game. They put heavily exaggerated atmospheric scattering on everything to make it look bigger. It might also cover for the LOD too which is why it's so hard clear LOD meshes like in other games.

I think that's one of the reasons why it feels quicker to travel the world than it seems from a vantage point.

Also it makes the sunrises and sunsets look gorgeous.

>>373217779
No, I'm not, but I just don't expect a console to run new open world games at 60 FPS, especially not with the interactivity and physics of BotW. Everything in Witcher 3 is static. You can't even burn grass or fucking hay with a trademark ability like Igni.

Kekerikekoo.

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>>373217784
They're fantasy, maybe even 200 years old like lizzle Zoras. Look at their bellies. They are made to be filled with hot semen.

Faggot.

>>373217860
>I just don't expect a console to run new open world games at 60 FPS
Right, neither do I, which is unfortunately why I chose not to purchase the Switch.

I'm at a disadvantage here, and it's quite frustrating, because I want to play this game and others, but I know that my enjoyment would be tarnished by the fact that I'm spending money on an inferior experience to what my current hardware is capable of.

>>373218039
>to what my current hardware is capable of.
Not experiencing it at all? Flawless logics.

>>373217235
true

>Link's pitiful wail as he's yanked down the flower pit

>>373218207
Well, yes, the cost of the console + accessories + the game can't be justified to account for the amount of enjoyment I estimate I will have.

Also, it looks like they've made some serious progress on the emulated PC version, to the point where much of the game is playable, so I wouldn't say that it is impossible to experience without a Switch at this point.

I made this mistake already with Bloodborne; I was very frustrated playing the game after playing DS2/3 on a much more powerful machine, and ended up not even finishing it.

>>373217936
pedo

>>373207227

>comparing a stylistic, bright cartoony game with a game that's supposed to look realistic

I bet you complained about Wind Waker's art style too

>>373202346
>supposed to walk the key sphere to the center
>stasis
>hammer the shit out of it
> lands in water
> ice, stasis, hammer for the middle

Saved myself a lot of time dealing with those convienently placed octorocks

>>373218887
Oh fuck I should've thought've that.

I just did it at night with the sheikah suit and a haste elixir.

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>>373218636
>generic brown and white landmasses à la Far Cry

Please out. Only handcrafted games allowed.

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>>373201926
It will always be low-res smudgeshit.

>>373218636
Looks cool as well.

>>373219709
Oh come on, don't pick on Horizon. It does look nice.

Although I really wonder who keeps making this game and saying, "You know what kind of landscape we should make? The exact same thing everyone else is doing!"

>>373219709
I feel some people do themselves a disservice arguing for videogames being art, yet they can't put aside their biases for one second and actually stick with their beliefs.
That being said, Okami is a beautiful too.

>>373201926
Art?

MORE LIKE FART

>>373201926
>t

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>art meme thread, AGAIN

Let's seal the casket and be done with this for good, shall we?

Reverence is an essential aspect to art. Art is that which you revere. Almost no one considers this when trying to discuss what's art and what isn't, but it is so essentially that by not considering it you basically expose that you know nothing about art.

What did we have before cave paintings? We had oral stories. What stories were told? The stories that people craved, and saw meaning in, and felt passionate about. When cave paintings and sculptures and other creations came around, this trend continued — it was always focused on those things which humans craved and felt passionately about. In short, what people revered.

If an artist feels deeply about women, and spends his whole life painting women, he is replicating his vision and passion for women in his work. You might not have the same interest, though, so you might not consider his work art. But he might consider it art, and he probably does, or at least considers women art.

So it's not that "everything is art," but rather, whatever YOU revere is art. So what I'm saying is these "discussions" are overall extremely fruitless and time wasting.

Also, for the record, I do think Breath of the Wild is a splendid and gorgeous game.

I know BOTW has a specific artstyle but it really is one of the ugliest games ever made in my opinion

>A medium isn't art unless it resembles another legitimate form of art

>Games are only art if they conform to paintings or movies

Hmmm

>>373219709
Horizon is a showcase of the art of optimization.

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Everything is art, even the shitposts you're going to reply to me with is art because you chose a specific combination of words to reply to me. The real question is whether or not it's good art, an asshole on the wall is art, but it's something only pretentious faggots would want to look at, so it's shitty art. Video games are art, designing a challenge is art, the visuals are art, the story is art, and the sound is art.

The one fucking question is whether or not the art is fucking nice to look at. Fucking that up on a painting is like a chef telling you you're too retarded to understand his meaning when he serves you up a plate of feces and saw dust. Or for people who aren't Americans, it's like if any music that didn't sound like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=731XEs0w2XM was considered plebeian garbage that no one should listen to.

Defining a game as art simply by its visuals is insulting to the potential of the medium.

>>373215305
But you know they literally drew all this stuff, right? Like that big bird in the first or second picture in this thread. That's literally art.

Retard.

>>373220282
>It does look nice.
Doesn't matter. A developer could make a game that's just an empty room and make it look like real life. You will see through the curtain and won't see any value in it if you have a working brain. Same with games like Uncharted. It doesn't matter how good they look, unconsciously you know it's just because the game is a 4 hours corridor. There is no wow effect, never.

Horizon looks the same everywhere and is 100% generic. You can't interact with anything either. The fucking grass doesn't even move.

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>>373210324
Fret not, you have plenty of alternatives.

Art can be literally anything because it's purely subjective. What is so hard to understand about that?

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>le bright colors artstyle
Is one of the worst industry trends ever. There's nothing inherently "gorgeous" about bright colors, and vomiting as much color as possible with little texture or shading is fucking horrendous. Fuck you, you actual plebeians. Even skyward sword looks better than BotW, christ.

>art means visually appealing

Middle-aged-woman-tier opinions m8

>>373223083
It's simple anon, just wear sunglasses caked with mud and you'll get the same effect as the previous industry trend.

>>373223083

I prefer this trend to the previous two generations of BROWN N BLOOM

Can't design a good level? That's cool, put some bloom on that shit.

>>373223234
If the art is visual then it should be visually appealing, otherwise it's low quality.

>>373201926
BotW and Art.

LOL

The game is ugly, jagged, and pretty generic overall. But drones haven't played anything for years, so they think this is great.

>>373223345

Define art

Areb>>373221249
>Le pointless argument meme

No. Videogames aren't art.

>>373223083
inb4
>its shit because is not weebshit urrrrrr

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>>373201926
I disagree, videogames like SenranKagura it's abosolutly Art.-

>>373223417
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination

>>373221249

You're approaching the right answer as to why "art" as a term has become so obfuscated in 21st century. Reverence requires a recognition of the numenal, something that is abandoned today in favor of our 'hurr everything can be gauged scientifically" culture

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>>373215448
I'm glad I stopped going on this board a long time ago. I seriously have to wonder how old posters like this are.

>>373223949

The last poll revealed the average age to be about 17

>>373202596
could anyone open door? I found it but I couldnt open it

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>>373224102
It's probably more like 14, honestly. I can't imagine grown ass men doing this console wars shit, it gets old so fucking fast.

Why is shilling allowed here

>>373224294
Do you have mental problems? You saw the environment around the door and couldn't figure out how to open it?

>>373224334

Console wars should be insta-ban but the janitors are fanboys themselves so they encourage it.

>>373201926
Beautiful game.

But not art.

>>373201926
They're not. This isn't. Noone is arguing it is.

Unless you are?

>>373224676
???

Tard?