Thoughts on Brutal Doom?

>>368472527
Doom is the only thing that would have to go back and I don't think that the two sides to be the first half of the year and I don't know how much you mean to you in a while ago but the fact I can get it.

Brutal

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v20 is ok. not the definitive way to play doom like many game journalists say

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Doesn't deserve to be more popular than the better gameplay mods.

>>368472527
Never played it. All I know about it is that it puts ADS, jumping and reloading where it doesn't belong, and the creator is a piece of shit who told people to kill themselves.

Not sure whether this or NuDoom is more offensive to the franchise.

>>368472527
It brings an archaic game into the modern era.

Unbalanced. I've only had a decent time with it when I played through Doom 1 and the megawad that was designed for it.

A lot of fluff that doesn't really add anything to the actual game.

Also spawned a shitty vocal minority of people who think that it's the "true" DOOM experience.

>>368472892
You're the most ignorant motherfucker I seen in years.

>>368472853
i like how the creator of this mod drops mods in a year to make a new one.

>>368473004
I'm "ignorant" for thinking Brutal Doom and Nudoom are a disgrace to the Doom IP?

Also, I forgot headshots in that list.

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>>368473271
holy shit its a fucking mod.
get a fucking life. you don't have to play it.

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>>368472629

>>368472629
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>368473271
Yeah, you're a fucking moron

I don't care for it all that much but I don't think it's bad either. People put vanilla Doom on a pedestal too much I'd rather play build engine shooters or id's later games.

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>>368472527
It's pretty cool. I can't pretend I know a lot about vanilla Doom beyond playing it as a kid, so I'm not a purist and I probably let a lot of shit slide in it that would annoy a really big Doom fan. It lets me shoot shit with stupid levels of violence at high speed though and that's all I really want

The original Doom on one of the modern engine rebuilds is fine as it is. Brutal Doom seems more for people who have already played vanilla and want something new and modern casual gamers who heard that Doom is cool but the original is just too retro.

Theres some variants that improve updon it with balancing changes and better feeling guns like J's Brutal Doom. My biggest complaint is the animations are too long and reloading breaks the pace of combat.

>>368475442
Are you implying Doom is hardcore? Literally everyone that had basic computer knowledge played it in the '90s and its designed to be playable with just a keyboard. Sure there's map packs like Scythe but those came way later.

I like Project Brutality more

>>368475627
Of course it is. Most people who played Doom when it got released already quit video games as a hobby. People who get into Doom nowadays either grew up with consoles and only later got the opportunity to play it or just got into video games way later.

Not like I blame either of those groups. I have always much sympathy for people who try video games of every age, no matter their experience. The biggest cancer are places like /v/ where everyone just plays modern games.

>>368472527
It's real fun as its own game. People get butthurt calling it "not traditional doom" but it's a mod and meant to be a mod. Project Brutality is better than it though in every way.

>>368472853

I really enjoyed the map and the ones before and after this one too. Why does everyone say Doom 2 had shit levels?

>>368472853
geez what an irritating clusterfuck

>>368473271
>mad that a game modification is a modification of the game
i will not stand for this

>>368474067
>People put vanilla Doom on a pedestal too much

This is correct. I think a lot of the later 90's FPS games improved on the formula a lot, I'd much rather play them, hell even some of the early 2000's shooters.

>>368475970
Doom is not hardcore. What's next, commander keen is hardcore too?

>>368476072
Meme propagated by underage doombabbies.

>>368472853
Yeah, Demonsteele is amazing but you can't really compare it to Brutal Doom.

>>368472527
Ignorant retards think it's the definitive "version" of doom because equally retarded e-celebs told them so.

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>>368472527
Brutal Doom is shit. Brutal Doom 64, however, is fucking brilliant and everyone should play it.

>>368476325
Fuck off Tom, Commander Keen was never good.

>>368472527
Project msx/Russian overkill > brutal doom.

>>368476664

What's the difference? I've only played Doom 1 and 2 with ZDoom?

Why is Brutal Doom bad but the 64 version is good? Also should I play BD64 instead of Doom64 vanilla?

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>>368476750
>Russian overkill + Reelism

Brutal Doom is pretty meh tier.

I personally prefer LCS doom with scaling difficulty. That shit can get so intense.

>>368476848
I think BD64 is the superior and definitive version of Doom 64, but they're both worth playing.

I mainly don't like Brutal Doom because I feel like the iron sights and reloading ruin the pace. BD64 has neither of those.

>>368477126

Oh okay, also how different is BD64 from regular Doom64? I don't want to burn myself out on them as I already burned myself out on Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 plus the Master Levels by marathoning them all in a row.

I'm alternating between Quake 1 and Thief fan missions right now, but looking up BD64 on Youtube it looks really interesting. Is it okay to play just that? The regular Doom64 looks to similar to 1 and 2 which I am still burned out on to feel like playing right now. Otherwise I will just chuck them on the backlog and wait till I feel like playing Doom again.

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Gets annoying when i shoot a demon and he wont stop screaming.

DoomRL is definitely my fav doom wad, but guncaster, russian overkill and trailblazer are pretty fun aswel when you want to blow off some steam

>>368478180
That's when you shoot him again to stop the screaming, hence the "brutal".

>>368472527
2edgy4me
and I have 50+ hours clocked in Hatred and Postal

>>368476284
>rather play some 2000s shooters

name one faggot.

>>368476284
Same.

>>368472527
splatter of gore is least brutal thing you could show to a man

>>368482390

Return to Castle Wolfenstien, Republic Commando, FEAR, Battlefront 2, Jedi Outcast, MOH Allied Assault and it's excellent expansion packs, No One Lives Forever, Max Payne 2, Red Orchestra, Far Cry 1, COD United Offensive, Brothers in Arms, just to name a few.

>Doom
>Duke
>Blood
>Shadow Warrior
>Hexen

What's the verdict?

>>368472629
>this word salad
Time to take your meds schizo

>>368482747
if Blood didn't scale enemies HP it would be an easy choice

>>368482390
Not him but Tribes 2, Elite Force, Soldier of Fortune, RtCW, NOLF1, various HL1 mods like TS, firearms, NS, AHL, and AvP2.

>>368482747
Doom>Hexen
Shadow Warrior>Blood>Duke

Overall
Shadow Warrior>Doom=Blood>Duke>Hexen

This is final.

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>Pistol-starting Doom 1 with D4D
>Get to E4M2
>Pinkies jump over the starting gap.

>>368483267

Why do so many people dislike Hexen? I thought it was considered a classic game until I started actually visiting these old school FPS threads only to see people shitting on it or putting it in last all the time. Is it worth playing?

Also I played Shadow Warrior and liked it but from what I gathered everyone says it's the worst of the big 3 build engine games. I liked it but it was inconsistent quality. When it was good it was god tier, but when it was bad it was really formulaic and uninspired.

>tfw just recently found out that 3DRealms developed Max Payne first but sold it off to further development on DNF.

toppest keks

>>368483586
It's fun but its not like Doom and more like a dungeon crawler FPS so people (subhumans) rare it lower. And I totally agree about Shadow Warrior. You need to keep in mind /v/ has shit taste whenever reading tier lists.

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>>368472629

>>368483752

How did this and Blood happen? Apparently 3DRealms started both of them, and then sold the idea off to at the time random unknown devs? Why would Remedy and Monolith buy an idea or a concept of another dev team instead of doing their own thing? At most they got a few assets out of it and basic design ideas. Or was there a publishing deal involved, you make this game for us we fund you and publish it for you? Basically they were contracted out?

>>368484007
Most of Blood is done by Monolith anyways. The reverse engineered the build engine because they weren't happy with it which is why we still don't have an accurate source port of blood.

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>>368472527
Quake is still better

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>>368472853

>>368472527
If you like it then good for you, really. But claiming it's the natural progression of Doom is fucking stupid.

>>368483586
I don't dislike it, but it's obviously flawed. Same with Hexen II which is even worse.

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>>368472629

>>368484682

What's wrong with Hexen 2? Also may as well ask what's wrong with Heretic 2 as well.

>>368484902
He probably got lost on the egypt levels lmao.

>>368472997
>spawned
Retards always existed and always had to force their shit opinions onto everyone. This excellent mod has no responsibility over that.

>>368483267
Newfag here. I only played (and LOVED) Doom

Does Exhumed belong among these ? If yes, how should it be rated and if no, why not ?

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>>368476664
>they added "STAMINA" for sprinting and kicking in a December 2016 patch of BD64
Annoying as fuck in a FUCKING DOOM GAME.

If you ask /v/ why you should still be playing Doom in 2017, they'll say you can mod the game any way you like. If you ask why you shouldn't play BD, it's because vanilla Doom is fine as it is.

If you ask /v/ why you shouldn't play BD, they'll tell you that SgtMarkIV told someone to kill himself. If you tell /v/ you want to play Brutal Doom, they'll say kys.

>>368488009
impressive rhetoric, dude. next you'll get mad at an elder scrolls thread when they tell you to not install bad mods

>>368488009
Maybe you should kys,

Literally a Doom for Gen Z. Lots of useless retarded mechanics that shouldn't even be in FPS. Surprised that they didn't add microtransactions yet.

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is there a "Brutal Blood" mod that makes Blood playable with mouse & keyboard?? I got blood off of steam but no way in hell am I playing it with just keyboard

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>>368491018
>brutal doom anything more than a meme

>>368491018
Yeah I recommend not being retarded because blood natively supports mouse and keyboard. BMOUSE.exe makes mouselook feel more like 3D games of the time.

>>368472527
why the fuck do people even talk about brutal doom when project brutality exists and is basically improvements on all fronts when compared

>>368472629
Dude, get help.

>>368472527
It's great.

I know people who hate it because they hate the dev

>>368476072
Because Doom 2 has too many mediocre or bad maps compared to the few good ones. Probably the maps that qualify as good or great would be:
>Tricks and Traps
>'O' of Destruction/Circle of Death
>Industrial Zone
>The Abandoned Mines
>The Spirit World
>The Living End
While some of the bad or awful ones are:
>The Factory
>Downtown (one of THE worst official maps)
>The Courtyard
>Nirvana
>Barrels O' Fun
>The Chasm (another one of THE worst official maps)
And then the rest of the maps are generally just rather mediocre in quality or not fun to play, or just come out average. Compared to Doom 1, Doom 2 just falls short in level design, likely because Sandy just burned out too much and Romero wasn't making enough levels himself. You have a couple of good levels sprinkled in the early and mid game, but the mid game is littered with bad and mediocre levels, and then the end game is fronted by bad or mediocre levels before getting to some of the better levels at the very end of the game. It's not to say that Doom 2 is a bad game, it just falls short in comparison to the others because good level design is really important to a game like Doom.

>>368472853
When is Shihong going to be fixed
>Sprite isn't done (meh)
>Needs a way to dump shotgun ammo quicker. Its my main wep most of the time and I still never go under 60%-70% ammo
>Punching straight up inferior to lightsaber, even when unarmed
>Ragesphere doesnt affect kick or melee specials
>movement mode has no worthwhile specials besides invis. Would be fine if changing modes didn't take ages to do, so you end up just sticking in either gun or melee style instead of switching between them. This in particular enforces a much slower style of play than Hae-Lin since Shihong cant adapt to new situations as fast.
>More of a personal gripe: Forward melee special and back melee special are both high-damage single target attacks. There never seems to be a reason use the back one over the front since the front launches. I'd make the haymaker either launch enemies or make it a dash attack like Hae-Lin's front special

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>>368487429
Exhumed is a great game, I have it for PS1 and love it
for rating vise, I would say it's up to Duke level

Blood > Doom 2 > Duke = Shadow Warrior > Exhumed > Doom > Hexen

do not buy the PC version of Exhumed, it's way worse then the console versions
I think there was some kind of Exhumed HD release for PC some time ago

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>>368492987
>When is Shihong going to be fixed
NEVER
_E
_V
_E
_R

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>>368472629
pata?

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>>368473271
You admit that you never played it.

>>368472527
pretty fun

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>>368472629
did this guy just have a stronk in front of us?

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Most memorable megawad?

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Post Doom wads. Some eat ones not on the list are
>MetaDoom
>Unloved
>Dead.Air and Dead.Wire
>Chainworm Kommando.

>>368494664

I need to update that list. It's been a little over half a year.

>>368494828
We do, some good shit has come out, but I'm too lazy to do it today.

>>368494619
Plutonia 2.

I play Doom 1 or 2 almost everyday (great for watching a show and playing at the same time).
Brutal Doom is fun, and can have interesting results when combined with WADs that weren't designed with it in mind.
The new weapons and demons it adds change the feel of the game drastically to something more challenging and frantic.

It's not "the best doom", but it's a very well crafted alternative playstyle that definitely livens things up for someone who has been playing Doom since it was released.

>>368494664
Doomzone
Quakestyle ZX
Doomshock
Lithium
Bullet-Eye

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it's a mod
try it and you might like it
don't feel obliged to play it
the end

>>368494664
equinox and ultimate torture and torment dont deserve to be there imo

>>368494664
>Some neat ones*
Excuse me.

How do you mod GZDoom to work with Brutal Doom?

>>368496036
Drag and drop, it's really easy.

>>368496036
Let me guess, you're getting "0.l" right?
If so go into Decorate.BLOOD.txt and replace every instance of 0.l with 0.1

>>368472629
I just read this shit 4 times in a row and i still cant make heads or tails of what you just said.

>>368493816
You're thinking of Powerslave EX.
>>>/vr/3819238

Longtime Doom fan here (since 96). I hate BD and its huehue creator. And I especially hate BD fans who demand that every WAD ever have BD compatibility.

>>368496726
But it's literally the definitive way to play Doom. Vanilla feels so outdated, I'm glad someone fixed it.

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>>368497019
Not even subtle about it.

>>368472527
ok as a mod, not the definitive way to play doom, the fights between people that like it and people that hate it are the dumbest thing

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>>368472527
fucking awesome.

Rip'n'tear every asshole who says otherwise.

>>368497079
there are people outside 4chun who completely unironically say things like that.

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>>368497432
I know, and it kills me
It says a lot about the general opinions towards Doom that PC gamer's "top 100 mods" list is made up of at least a third of Hal life mods, and only one Doom mod.
Guess which one? Pro tip, it wasn't Aliens TC.

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>>368472629
What the fuck did I just read?

>>368497647
Half-Life had some of the best mods of all time along with the quake games.

>>368498310
0 Quake mods, and no other Doom mods. HL 1 and 2 have great mods, I'm not denying this, but when a good chunk of the list is dedicated to them, I just wonder why you don't make a top 100 Half life mod list instead.

>>368496134
Drag what and drop where?

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Not saying there is a definitive way to play Doom (there isn't, play it how you like) but what is your definitive way of playing?

>>368499758
Set up a folder for Doom wads and sourceports, not the winrar folder, and drag Brutal Doom (I have brutalv20b.pk3) over to GZDoom. Have an Iwad for Doom 1 and 2 in the same folder, and select which of the two you would like to play Brutal Doom with.

>>368499835
GZDoom, with Chocolate Doom-style restrictions; vertical aim off, no jumping, etc. I do use mouselook, though.

>>368499835
>what is your definitive way of playing?
the default iwads on PRBoom on UVFast

>>368487974
That sounds dumb.
I haven't played that version. I have the initial release and haven't patched it at all.

>>368483586
Bad case of poor taste. Hexen is an absolutely stellar game but it deviates from the standard Doom formula of the time so it gets ridiculed for it.

Just don't go into Hexen expecting Doom.

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>>368499835
homebrew NDS port while lying in bed
>mfw newfigs still believe comfy is a meme

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>>368499835
GZDoom with Smooth Doom (all D64 assets), Perkristian's HQ SFX, and BDCME or Arachno's HQ soundtrack remasters. It's basically just classic Doom but enhanced, and that's really all I need. Even just playing through TNT's maps with this set up, when I get in the zone and start kicking ass like a madman, the sound effects and the animations and the music just make it feel so amazing and satisfying. Like a mental orgasm just because of how fucking awesome it felt to play the game this way.

>>368472527
SEVEN
ROCKETS

>>368473235
Don't forget that Term also spearheads mapping projects like DUMP 3 and Highway to Hell. He's also trying to make his own standalone game, but obviously he bumps into diversions.

>>368494439
Fuck, genuinely funny

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>>368472629

>>368482747
All pretty great. How's that for a verdict?

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>>368501991
Correct

>>368501674
this is common behavior in the community for all modders, desu
everyone has side projects and jumps to another project

still waiting on that mapset for psychic, xaser

>>368502218
Yeah, like how Yholl has plenty of stuff planned for DRLA but he and Shivers are currently working on megawad-themed weapon packs. Final Doomer was pretty alright.

>>368499835
Smooth Doom with some HUD I downloaded, and that one mod that adds in Quake-like screen tilt while strafing.

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>>368472629

>>368502389
it was a good excuse to play plutonia again

I tried it and within a few minutes I bursted out laughing at how cheesy and childish it is. Taunt straight out of a B action movie dubbed by some dude trying to act tough while recording in his bedroom. Takedowns with crude, ridiculous animations. Ludicrous amounts of blood washing out any emotional trigger it might have, and the cartoonish way in which all that gore happens shattering any immersion into pieces. Overly loud gun noises. Cracks blocking your vision. Recoil. Powered up monsters turning every encounter into peekaboo or trench warfare, utterly destroying the original fast-paced, movement-based Doom gameplay.

To sum it up that way doesn't do it justice, the result manages to be even worse than the sum of these parts. Perhaps, particulary because it takes such a great game as a base and bring it down to the abysmal craphole many first-person shooters have been in for the last decade or so. This mod seemingly manages to take every terrible modern feature and shove it into an old game, creating the worst possible scenario: a game with poor gameplay *and* outdated eyecandy. It could be an ironic depiction, a statement about the stereotypical FPS gamer, but now comes the frightening part: there is no irony here.

Reception to this mod has been overwhelmingly positive, and this was a bit of an eye opener to me. I tend to be an optimist at heart and intuitively believe people are (or can be) sensible, no matter how many times I'm proven wrong. When it came to Doom it used to be I'd sit in my little fluffy cloud, and any disturbance caused by people praising garbage would be merely temporary. Brutal Doom's consistent success is a permanent reminder this thing, this is what people want out of video games, even people playing Doom.

>>368475970
>The biggest cancer are places like /v/ where everyone just plays modern games.

no, biggest sin is pulling back bold pixelated shit out of the grave which i do not wish to see when my gaming experience shift from 2d into actual 3d.

all those indie side scrolling crap must die.

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>>368494664
>>368494828

here's one I saved 3 years ago, just wanna see how it compares

>>368503518
Missing
>Demonsteele
>going Down
>The Romero maps
The Romero maps are god tier, though. E1M8b is the highlight.

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>>368503449
Why'd anon do it?

>>368504075
He lacks his own opinion, or he wrote that.

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>>368503518
>2014 was 3 years ago
Jesus

>>368499835
GZDoom with mouselook, vertical aim, and jumping

because I can never remember how to get to that one secret courtyard where you find the first chaingun and just always jump over the window

>>368505824
It's in the first section of that map on one of the walls facing outside.

>>368495107
>Quakestyle ZX
That thing is a fucking mess.

>>368506503
Oh so that's how you do it
I kept humping everywhere and never managed to find it somehow

>>368472527
It was the most fun I've had with a video game in a long time.

>>368507218
You should try BURL TUMD with some custom megawads. Shit's crazy.

>>368506736
I guess. It's a fun fucking mess though.

>>368507361
It feels like someone just took AoeD and cut a bunch of content, added quake tilting and just said "fuck it, good enough". Other monster randomizers are far better.

MetaDoom is the new great thing. Play that now instead.

>>368507476
Development on it seems to have stopped anyway. Another wad by the same author (Doomzone) feels very polished and still has updates, so maybe they're focusing on that more.

>>368506891
Most of the secrets in episode 1 are obvious. Usually they have a different texture than the rest of the wall.

>>368507849
MetaDoom really is amazing.
My favorite thing is the scaling enemies, wish more mods did that, rather than throwing everything at you at once.

>>368508057
More mods don't do that because it's usually a real pain in the dick to implement and screws up sets of maps with smaller total map counts. I agree though, it's cool.

>>368507849
I prefer Death Foretold, but it really kicks my ass.

>>368508167
Yeah, i could see it being pretty underwhelming when playing a single map. Maybe it could be toggleable like in Project Brutality

>>368508395
I think in Metadoom it is, but doing that also requires more coding etc.

>>368472527
Fun. Gets too much hate here and some of the older DOOM communities, gets wanked too hard by a lot of other places.

Still, fun.

>>368508524
Project Brutality fixes pretty much any gripes with it from a gameplay standpoint. It's still a poorly performing mess internally that barely works, but it plays a whole hell of a lot better.

>>368508726
Haven't tried it, I'll get around to it at some point, but there's just so much else on my radar right now that it probably won't be for a long while.

>>368472527
If i buy ultimate doom, will a brutal doom mod work with it? And how would I do it?

>>368476664
>lack of proper colored walls
dissapointing

>>368482390
UT2004 with the Ballistic Weapons mod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxi5matFDF8

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>>368509505
>buy
Visit the /vr/ thread and read the pastebin link for a download of the iwad files, and grab a source port.

>>368510204
>Zdaemon
>Odamex
>alive
Old image bruh, ZDoom is ded too.
Only ports you need are GZDoom and Zandybam. PrBoom+ if you really need your vanilla-ish fix.

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>>368472527
>creator is a giant faggot that appropriates other modders' assets without giving credit, also is a Shadman-tier edgefag and was going to make the sprites of guts and shit digitized photos of real gore until community outrage made him reconsider
>coding is an unoptimized mess, bloating the file size and making BD incompatible with other mods

>hitscan zombies are now the most dangerous enemies in the game, able to ventilate your ass in like 6 seconds

>audience consists solely of hipster teenagers that consider themselves cool and trendy for liking a retro game, but are too spoiled by modern shit to play that retro game in its intended format
>journalist websites regularly do mod spotlights on BD for "revitalizing an archaic game", not bothering to look and see that the Doom community has been growing stronger every day and does not need to be "revitalized", nor do they make any articles on the thousands of other, cooler gameplay mods

>>368472892
isnt jumping an option in like every source port already?

>>368510421
ZDoom isn't dead per say, just no longer in development. Still perfectly alive as ever as far as usability goes. But I agree, you only really need GZD or PrB+ imo.

>>368499835
project brutality mutators with a flashlight mod

i don't dislike playing og doom with smooth doom for aesthetics, but i really don't care for some of it's weapons if i could be perfectly honest. the fists and pistol are useless without berzerk and feel awful to use effectively, the chaingun feels really unsatisfying to shoot with and doesn't feel that strong, and the rocket launcher's splash damage seems to work sometimes but other times ill shoot at a wall behind an imp and have them live somehow.

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>>368472527
Brutal Doom is a fun mod and I have fun when I decide to play it. I don't always play it because Vanilla Doom is pretty fun too. I don't get mad about mods because they are entirely optional so I generally have a good time. I look forward to next years Cacoawards.

>>368499835
If you're playing with vanilla enemies (smooth monsters count), then this is pretty good to have;
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71133-sound-caulking-now-on-idgames/

>>368476247
he's discussing demonsteele, not BD.

>>368514394
Was playing with that a while ago, it's great, actually made the game kinda scary.

>>368472527
ow the edge

>>368472527
overrated piece of shit and the creator is a fuckwad asshole who deserves his bans.

>>368474036
fuck Doom 4 and fuck your whole family.

someone post the doom party image
I'll post the party itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9TMxM5qRM
>4 years ago
good times

>>368491179
his motorcycle mod was stolen straight from Redneck Rampage, and he insulted anyone who called him out on it.

He also likes heavy metal, proving he's a dumbass.

>>368472527
B4NM is better.

>>368514709
>crying this loud
we don't have time to rearrange the autism spectrum to have you fit in it, sorry.

>>368499835
Chocolate Doom, no mouse, just keyboard the way it was meant to be played.

>>368512285
Hop hop hop!

>>368499835
Zandronum with a modifier that converts all the enemies and guns and shit to the Doom 64 versions.

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>>368501674
Yeah, but Nocturne in Yellow was pretty shitty.
Sorry Term. It was.

>>368516072
Shh don't hurt his feeling or he'll shitpost about it and demand you give him ever more complex explanations of why his masterpieces are bad or incomplete.

>>368510808
>Shadman-tier edgefag
LEL

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>>368516491
I just don't have the heart to tell him. He's done a lot of great work and I recognize the other fantastic stuff he's done, but NiY quite literally gave me a headache.

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>>368472629

>>368516896
I find most of his mods feel really floaty in the controls department, but honestly he seems so averse to criticism (in a very "I'm the top modder so here's 5 paragraphs of why I disagree with you way) that I don't think it's worth it to try to get it through to him. The few times I've talked to him I feel like I'm talking to some D-list e-celeb who is just humoring me.

Like when I tried to help him out with NiY and he didn't take any of my advice at all, or even really consider it.

>>368499835
GZDoom with no filters, Smooth Doom, BASSMIDI w/ SC-55 soundfont, and that WAD with the original, non-downsampled SFX. No jumping in mapsets not designed with it in mind.

>>368517195
>he seems so averse to criticism

That's kind of ironic considering that the subject of accepting criticism hovers around the podcast he does a fair bit.

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>Playing an overly-detailed map.
>Get caught up on some little thing while trying to evade projectiles and eat shit.

>>368517470
There's a vast difference between what he says and does. If you're one of his super best friends club members he's fine with it, but if you're not he won't give you the time of day.

>>368472741

really glad nobody gives a fuck about your opinion

brutal doom is literally one of the best games of all time

mount and blade, and brutal dooms are literally the 2 best games of all time

>>368517707
Nah, he will "give you the time of day" by simply stating why he thinks it's good/right/whatever over and over again. It's whatever if he wants to do that, but I'll keep the modder seperate from the mods and just edit them myself.

Like having to downgrade GMOTA because Keegs decided to keep changing shit all the time.

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>>368517849
>game

>>368518001
Yeah that's a better way of putting it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it at least. The mods are pretty cool rip cyberrunner but the man himself is not really something to aspire to.

Have you been keeping up with GMOTA's progress lately? Keegan posts on /vr/ occasionally, but no new version for download until he's done.

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>>368518001
>Like having to downgrade GMOTA because Keegs decided to keep changing shit all the time.

Sorry about that, I swear after this big update I ain't gonna change shit again. I'm not sure how long you've followed me or what I've been doing as of late, but I finally understand why I kept changing GMOTA so much. Between not having a design document and trying so hard to go against the flow of Doom's item progression, it's always felt like shit to me.

That and I'm still a bit of an indecisive fucker

>>368510808
Most of these arent problems with the mod itself mind you

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>>368472629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JUQCyx58Ik

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>>368510808
>hitscan zombies are now the most dangerous enemies in the game
Sounds to me like you're REALLY REALLY bad at video games, but you're blaming someone else.

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>>368518036
I wanna fuck that dragon

>>368516072
>>368516896

It was. There's nothing else to it, it was bad.
I don't know why you'd feel adverse to telling me.

>>368517195
>>368517707

Aside from you, who's just being strange. A lot of people give me criticism all the time.
You can talk to me, anon. It's all right. I like talking to people.

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>>368472629
Nani?

Brutal Doom is fun but I prefer to play the "classic" version of it. Vanilla Doom is good but the people saying Brutal Doom is shit and vanilla is better no matter what I doubt have sunk thousands of hours into like I have. Eventually that shit gets boring.

>>368518306
>that spoiler
Yeah, everyone knows because you say it all the time. I haven't followed you in awhile because the last update you put out was so jarring compared to the previous. You went and gimped a bunch of stuff, making the player way weaker, and removed some abilities if I remember correctly.

I hope you have an actual design plan now because I thought GMOTA was more fun than Demonsteele until you went and downgraded.

>>368518637
>A lot of people give me criticism all the time.
Do you think it's constructive most of the time?

Not the guy you were replying to, by the way.

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>>368507849
This, MetaDoom is the shit.

So I'm trying to run Aliens TC 2017 on ZDoom, but the lighting is totally borked.
Would there be a basic reason why, or are the two just incompatible?

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>>368518708
well I got pic related as a document for a proper flow for item progression. and I have a webm showing off the BFG tier attack too, as seen here:

>>>/vr/3820387

I'm putting more focus on the sword, though the Blazter's gonna get buffed in a few ways and be given an ammo limit for balance sake. Same thing with the subshots.

>>368518637
There's no point term. You don't listen to anyone but your little insular friend group. I've watched you deflect enough constructive criticism for one lifetime.

When your animu space loli adventure game turns out to be vaporware or a half-baked set of schizophrenic ideas cobbled together and riding mostly on your success from Demonsteele you might re-learn some of the humility you had before Samsara really took off.

>>368518637
you're not term, but I don't have the heart to tell him because he just tried so hard on it, and the last time I gave him some criticisms it amounted to a wall of text saying "well this is supposed to be like that because that's just how I want it" like ok dude.

>>368518578
>lol I'll make every bullet deal like 15 points of damage, and they'll rapid fire 8-9 shots at a time

This shit was not balanced towards the way enemies are placed in the vanilla game. Give me a good reason why the basic fucking cannon fodder should be more dangerous than a cacodemon.

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>>368519097
One zombie can kill an entire village, don't you know?

What do you think he does after? He moves to the second village

Hello

>>368518783

Most of the time? Oh, definitely.
The entire point of giving criticism is that they find something that's off with a product that they want to see improved.

The issue is just folks have a different idea of what an improvement is. Sometimes there's two people with separate ideas, and if I listen to one then the other person feels like he was ignored, and if I explain why I don't think it is someone thinks I'm blowing him off.

>>368519072

It's me. Hi.
https://twitter.com/TerminusEst13/status/835323362859704320

>>368519241
>being this much of a total faggot
Just go away and shitpost on your tumblr. Christ you have ego issues.

project msx is better

>>368518916
There's no reason to use ZDoom for custom mapsets when GZDoom exists. ZDoom is for when you wanna play vanilla style with a few benefits you don't get in Chocolate Doom or DOSBox.

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>>368519241
I, understand completely, it's a fucking pain in the ass.

The best thing to do is listen to both, understand where both are coming from, and then call both of them "retards" or something for not being able to understand each other in the first place.

It helps if people think of you as a rough naturalist.

You sound like a good person.

>>368519373
>project msx will never be finished ever
It hurts too much to take sometimes
at least what we got was good enough

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>>368519373
>we will never get the update planned that was going to include arm blades and boomerangs

>>368519241
epin meme twitter, kys

>>368519395
I see. For some reason I assumed that because TC has been updated since the 90s that it was a vanilla-style wad.

>>368519395
gtfo graf
I use zdoom more than gz for a fucking reason

>>368519373

Project MSX was wonderful. Considering how even things like Mordeth are still under development, I always hold a little bit of a hope that MagSigma will leap out of nowhere with a big update.

>>368519619
>for a fucking reason
What reason?

>>368519373
Project MSX with the Hellbound WAD is an entire new game, GOTAY

>>368519654
for fucking, obviously

>>368519701
lewd senpai

>>368519695
>Project MSX with the Hellbound WAD is an entire new game, GOTAY
I'm off to google.

>>368519654
how about for being compatible?
You'd be amazed how often a couple older cards can't run doom because of the updates, oh wait, you already know you fucking fuck graf.

gz was fine before you fucked it up

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>>368499835
PSX Doom TC with Doom 64 weapons and some custom brightmaps.

>>368519886
Nigger GZDoom has a software renderer now. Plus QZDoom exists. Also I'm not that german autist ffs, if I was I'd already have a multi-post rebuttal for you.

>>368518921
That's sort of helpful. I have no idea, but it looks like you're removing some of what used to be basic abilities to have them as weapons and upgrades. I also don't know about sub-weapons, but I'll keep this older version handy just in case.

>ammo limit
Yeah... just in case.

>>368520026
Can't play Cold as Hell with a software renderer.

>>368520275
>being this retarded
ZDoom uses a software renderer, the SAME software renderer now used in GZDoom if you select software rendering at startup. QZDoom takes it make makes it truecolor, so it looks just like the OpenGL renderer in terms of color depth, but still retains the other quirks of software rendering.

You moron.

>>368499835
Plain old doom.wad on gzdoom. I really enjoyed playing the PSX TC as well, it's really neat how much they were able to alter the atmosphere of the game with a few small changes.

>>368518695
ive sunk 1000s into Doom and brutal doom just seemed annoying more than a revitalization or anything

>>368520108
Sub weapons use their own ammo too, but you get a restock after you run out, so you can still spam them, it's just there'll be a short timer between volleys.

the sword throw has been overhauled quite a bit too, now you push and hold altfire to prep a throw and then release to throw it. The scroll is there mainly to tell players how to use it and of course to give more value to doom weapon spawns.

Plus giving the Blazter's primary and subweapon shots an ammo limit means I can make them stronger again, you have to admit it was a little on the brainless spammy side with how easy it was to get red mana and then shit cluster missiles all over the place.

>>368472527
I play it sometimes because it can be fun to just jump all over the place and blast things to bits but it shouldn't even have DOOM's name in it imo. It's absolutely nothing like the original game and is one autistic edgelord's interpretation of what the game should have been.

>>368520417
mother fucker, I'm saying you can't play Cold as Hell with newer versions of gzdoom. I use zdoom because it's easier to throw in ZDL and get going.

>>368520748
>it's easier to throw in ZDL and get going
It's exactly the same process for either.

>>368519886
>You'd be amazed how often a couple older cards can't run doom because of the updates

I know that playing vanilla doom is very nostalgic but that doesn't mean you have to use hardware released at the same time as the original release of doom m8

those "never obsolete" stickers were lying, sorry to break your dreams

Notice how Term leaves the thread when he doesn't get the immediate validation he wanted instead of trying to talk to us plebs.

>>368521131
>>368520857

You guys seem pretty dead set on pushing gzdoom. I will continue using zdoom for most everything. Including LANs.

>>368472527
Dumb epic meme. Played it for 2 minutes and then went back to Classique doome

>>368521387

I'm still here, anon. I like Doom, I like talking about Doom.
You seem kind of angry with me. Do you want to talk about it?

>>368519241

Hoy Term, Get Yholl in here, I want some entertainment.

>>368521723
Don't patronize me you otaku fuck. Complete one of your projects for once.

>>368521723
Yeah, where's my 1/16th of that Cacoward for Push?

>>368521904

I wasn't given anything physical, unfortunately, so I can't send anything over. But I can buy you a cheap game on Steam, if you'd like.

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>>368472629
Get me in the screencap

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>>368522160
Yo Term. I just wanna ask. You a fan of the Yakuza series?

>>368522426

I played Yakuza 4, it was a lot of fun.
I can't say I've played the others, unfortunately.

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>>368472629

>>368472527
maximum autism

>>368521723
>revoking permission for a person to use "your" sprites because they aren't as talented as you and got frustrated
Man I thought I'd seen you do the worst shit but god damn. Sure that guy was an autist of a high degree but you're a prick.
>b-b-but he copied my code
Who gives a shit faggot? Only you.

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>>368522975
Wouldn't that be DoomRL or Hideous Destructor?
I love both

>>368472527
It's inferior to vanilla.

>>368518309
problems nonetheless. I'd much rather see people addressing the aura of ignorance and poor taste surrounding Brutal Doom in general than the 'yes, fuck me harder sgtmark' posts in here.

will the doom community be strong enough to survive DUMP 4?

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>>368522758
Get around to playing Yakuza 0, yo. Shit's probably one of the top entries in the series.

>>368492767
Doom 1 have a lot bad levels too, even worse than Doom 2.

The best level design in my opinion is the episode Thy Flesh Consumed from The Ultimate Doom.

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>>368523541

>TFW That's one of the ones that got Remade by Romero later

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>>368472629

>>368473847
>>368474089
>>368482826
>>368483957
>>368484743
>>368491812
>>368494178
>>368494225
>>368494439
>>368496578
>>368497867
>>368501917
>>368503219
>>368517181
>>368518454
>>368518694
>>368522329
>>368522868
>>368523648
>I've never taken lsd
Glad to see reddit is out in force today

>>368523393

I'll give it a shot, thank you.

>>368523307

Probably.
DUMP 2 and 3 didn't really have a lot of fuss attached to them, aside from a general lack of feedback/criticism, but I've been focusing a lot on trying to map more. So DUMP 4 is gonna happen, if slightly differently.

>>368523013
>defending a useless piece of shit
who the fuck cares about spokes in wheels like mark other than you in this same thread. I'd like an honest answer and not a rethorical one please.

if you want a retard like mark to suck your cock install a bathroom toll in your family's house and make a glory hole on the entrance, it's that much easier.

>>368523814
>DUDE DRUGS LMAO
The only reddit here is you

>>368524074
Who the fuck are you quoting?

>>368500158
This. And "fast monsters" On.

>>368524170
>>368523814
>I've never taken lsd
Who the fuck are you quoting?

>>368524389
You, obviously you fucking retarded redditor.

>>368499835
Chocolate styled (no vertical aim, no jumping etc) with mouselook, smooth doom, ketchup mod and sometimes Doom One. I normally mix in whatever Music remaster i like too.

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>>368523825
Can someone who knows jack about coding at least get into the mapping-side of Doom?
I'd like to contribute something to its mod community for once. And hopefully work my way up from there and get around to making a mod based around grappling demons and throwing them at their buddies.

Wrath of Cronos has brought me many hours of enjoyment. I tried to show it to one friend, but he couldn't grasp the concept of navigating a level/finding enemies without some kinda minimap/radar so he just bitched the whole time.

Cleric still op af tho.

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>>368521556
>Including LANs.
I use GZDoom, fag.

>>368524794
Doom has extremely easy to learn map tools, go for it lad.

>>368524794

Yes, definitely.
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdbbf/

This is the latest software, a take on GZDoombuilder, which is itself a take on Doombuilder 2.
With it, doing a map is almost as easy as just drawing lines.

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>>368524449
No one you responded to said that
Also, I'm not one of the people you originally responded to, so try that shit again dickhead.

Don't do drugs kids, or it'll fry your brains to dysfunction, as seen here.

>>368525069
>>368524975
Oh wow, that's pretty damn surprising to me. Didn't expect it to be that simple. Of course, I just need to also learn what makes a good map GOOD.

Thanks guys.

>>368525312
Play maps you like. Think about why you like them.

Think. The why is very important to anything you want to do.

>>368525312

It's mostly a matter of practice. Practice and trying other mapsets. Study the mapsets. Study the ones you like and figure out why you like them, and study the ones you don't like and figure out why you don't like them.

>>368525445
Get out of here chineese dragon your thought process is rotten.

>>368525224
>No one you responded to said that
>All LITERALLY said that
Nice one fuckwit

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>>368523814
>I've never taken lsd
Ive done lsd to the point that I had to stop?

That was years ago and I absolutely caused irreparable damage to my nog

>>368524794
Modding is easier tbqh

>>368524794
Isnt doom mapping literally drawing lines and then the games engine draws the line as a wall?

It's kinda fun and when you first play it you might assume that you'll always use it because it doesn't feel like it alters the game all that much other than adding gore, but then inevitably at some point you play vanilla Doom again and realize it's better and that Brutal Doom is really just novelty torture porn slapped together by a perpetually salty narcissist from stolen segments of other people's code.

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Thoughts on H-Doom?

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>>368525641
Guess I've been baited, because I have a hard time believing someone can be this retarded.

Last (You)

brutal is enemy more efective.
i like kick and shotgun combo.

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>>368526101

>>368523814
>see all these people calling me a retarded mouth breathing half-bred shitwheel who can barely employ proper syntax?

>I actually just le troled them xd

the only thing outreeking your reddit smell is the stench of your armpits and dried cum emanating from your underpants

>>368526003
i feel bad that it turned me on

>>368526003
spritework is good, cgs are fucked, guns are neat, completely unimpressive overall gameplay

>>368526003
Has a stupid reason for not doing former human girls.
I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was a bad reason, something about guro I think?

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>>368472527
I unironically love it.

>>368476072
Fuck off Sandy

>>368526780
I ironically love it

>>368526415
>Things no one said
>Being a redditor
Epic one

>>368526060
sauce?

>>368526415
no pan


lol retard ketchup

>>368526780
I unironically think it's trash to the point where I staunchly refuse to jab at it or acknowledge it's mediocrity in a light hearted manner.

>>368526871
>I ironically love it
This, for me. While I dislike those flashy QTE "fatalities", I find shooting them corpses into bits my guilty pleasure, especially if there's extra ammo around in a level.

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>>368526871
I love it.

>>368527382
Afraid you're going to step on a landmine or something? Eheheheh.

>>368526979
http://hecchidechu.tumblr.com/post/154078199909

>Playing "Going Down" on Brutal Guncaster
>Get to Necropolis
>1145 monsters
>Freezes my entire system once the meme skeleton spam starts

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>>368527435
>Afraid you're going to step on a landmine or something? Eheheheh.
hard to with archvile corpses blocking the way everytime I kill one.

or almost every gore prop since they're randomly unexplainably solid.

>>368527749
Don't electrocute me!
I just wanted it for dem thighs and to make that (You) edit, honest!

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>>368472527
A great mod to a good game. Tho it doesn't feel like Doom sometimes. Every update it feels like a different game.

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>>368472629

>>368472527
I am I still have the best thing to do it when I was going to be a good day please find the attached file is scanned image in the morning looking at the bottom center of the time before he came to know what else is going to be a good day please find the attached to this email with the other side of the room and I will be able to use my willpower to get in here.

>>368472527
What

>>368476060
PB is awesome. I alternate between regular DOOM and Project B. I don't really fuck with other mods. I just play shit loads of maps.

Top five megawads you really like playing through?

>>368499835
Just GZDOOM sometimes with Project Brutality. I just play tons of maps.I really like Oblige. I also like stuff that combines maps with new weapons, enemies, gameplay, etc. like city of the damned apocalypse.

>>368477126
There is a "Classic" Setting in Brutal Doom where you don't have reloading or iron sights. They also remove the rifle and give you a pistol IIRC.

>>368532607
Hell Revealed
Scythe 2
Alien Vendetta
Ancient Aliens
DTWiD

>>368472629
include me too thnks

>>368532793
That's a good list. I admit I haven't finished those because I get distracted by some other cool pack of maps or I get an idea for something that would be fun to do in Oblige.

I haven't played Doom in a long time, what should I install to play it on linux?

>>368532607

Scythe 1/2
Jenesis
Perdition's Gate
Unholy Realms
Hell Revealed 2

>all that praise for Project Brutality
Much as I want to be among that praising crowd, I really find its weapon load-out to be a total clusterfuck, and I can't really hope to see them do away with dual-wield weapons (one of the aspects I also don't like in Brutal Doom)

>>368515197
Like ancient hawaiians used to say, it's time for dicking

>>368533476
hey cmon man its FUN dont you like FUN things in your VIDEO GAMES, i mean its FUN

F
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>>368472629
Include me in the screen cap :DDDDDD

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>>368472629
Did you use bing translate or something?

>>368473976
Underrated. I can't feel my sides

>>368507901
>Doomzone
>polished
You sure memed me good.

>>368533229

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Compile_GZDoom_on_Linux

I'm not familiar with it since I'm Windows, but it should be feasible to compile and play GZDoom on Linux.

>>368533446
scythe 1 and 2 are the normie choice, but it's interesting to see another perdition's gate fan.
underrated imo

>>368472629
I wanna be in the screenshot.

>>368487974
Fucking this man, motherfuking this,stamina is annoying as fuck. I love Brutal doom though, is fun. Sure you are op sometimes but you can play different maps than vanilla that are better balanced