Nomura is channeling his inner XV into KH

Whoa, I wonder what kind of input such a crazy and flashy attack requires.

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>>365481228
Poor guy.

Do you think he's played XV yet?

>>365481391

He'd probably spit on it.

>>365481348
At least it isnt HOLD O, and feels satisfying like a limit break should.

>nomura will never get a chance to make kingdom hearts with blood like he wanted to

>>365481348
Who cares, it's a Kingdom Hearts game. If you want combat depth and coherent story look elsewhere.
>Muh Cuhrazee!

>>365481463
>>365481510

Is he still friends with Tabata?

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>>365481228
That wont work on the actual challenge in the demo.

>>365481526
Wait, why wouldn't you want deep combat, Anon-kun? There's nothing wrong with playing on normal if that's your reason.

>>365481680
he never was

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>playing through DDD on Proud
>mfw fucking Kooma Panda with its teleporting punch and the bullshit stone attack with no wind-up whatsoever that guarantees your death if you get stunned

>>365481775

>why would you want deep combat?

Because I work all day and when I get home I want something to relax, not memorizing autistic combos.

>>365482153
I think you have a very twisted an cynical conception of what "depth" entails. Depth means that through playing, a player may discover and build fun and original combos. Depth does not mean it is required. It is not a burden. I think you need to expand your perspectives, Mr. Hard Working Anon. You might have some fun.

>>365481526
KHII FM had deep combat though

I think KH3 and FF7R are both going to have elements from Versus that he never got to see to completion.

>>365481725
God damn
Is that critical?

>>365481228
Aqua could warp around like this with Ghost Drive in BbS, from 2010

>>365482964
>>365481391

WAKE ME UP

(WAKE ME UP INSIDE)

CAN'T WAKE UP

>>365483054
>that HP
>Critical

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>>365483123
oops forgot pic sorry nomurakun

>>365483175
New Game+++?

>>365483263
No. It's probably Beginner or Standard, at LV99 or something.

NG+ only carries over challenge progress and items.

>>365483357
K
So why is this battle so intense? It way easier for me even on proud mode.

>>365481725
>gets to 1hp
>gets hit several more times, taking no damage
What
>cure spell has complete i-frames
So lame

>>365483760
I guess you're just 2gud

>>365483807
It's called Second Chance, Once More, and Leaf Bracer

>>365483807
>>cure spell has complete i-frames
are you fucking new to kingdom hearts

leaf bracer is crucial for dealing with bullshit like this

>>365483807
>gets hit several more times, taking no damage
>What
An ability you unlock later in KH games called second chance.
>cure spell has complete i-frames
>So lame
Leaf Bracer
Another ability

>>365483868
>>365483993
I know it's just that I'm now thinking about how... dumb... the mechanic is. How lazy it feels.

>>365483760
There is a 4th aqua as a secret super boss in the post game

>>365484026
You really do need it on critical mode though.
>>365484058
How do I access it?

>>365484195
Collect all the zodiac signs

>>365484026
For the record, Critical Mode gets rid of Second Chance and Leaf Bracer.

Once More is still in effect because of combo-heavy enemies like Mirage Aqua.

In KHIIFM, LV1 prevents you from getting any of these abilities.

>>365484232
>zodiac signs
What the fuck.
I haven't been very observant I guess.

>>365484320
You can only collect them after you beat the game

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>>365482153
>I want to relax playing video games
>So I'm going to play a fast-paced third-person action game

>>365484437
Oh ok
I'll get to it.

>>365483807
>1 hp, gets hit several more times, taking no damage
That's what I hated about Kingdon Hearts 2. You could only kill bosses with a combo and the combo had to finish. Happened with Sephiroth.

>>365482695
There's a difference between combat depth and gameplay variety.

>>365484663
That's why he said depth. XV has a lot of variety but no depth for example. KH2FM doesn't have a lot of variety, but a lot of depth with the things it offers you

>>365481228
i remember sora being able to teleport to slice xigbar(?)'s bullets out of the air in kh2, and cloud's omnislash 5 was pretty similar too

also both of those dudes could slice buildings in half. honestly noctis is a little underwhelming in comparison

>>365485047
Nomura would have made Noctis OP on the level of Sora and Cloud, The shit he has now in XV is garbage and unimaginative.

Tabata and the team had no clue how to create any type of interesting skills.

>>365484856
2FM is one of the most shallow games I've played. Play Ninja Gaiden faggot then realize you're complimenting a puddle brcause you've never seen a pool.

>>365481228
You're really autistic

>>365485469
I did play NG and it has more depth because it gives you more options.

>>365485646
KH2 isn't deep at all dumbass

>>365485479
WOW

>>365481526
why do people even play these games then

>>365485751
Cause its fun and 2fm has the best designed bosses in any action game.

>>365485808
>*action RPG

>>365485880
>**Action game
In general. Prove me wrong.

>>365485969
Prove yourself right. I love KH, but it's not a fucking action game

Sort of related.
Just got done watching the movie and holy fuck it was bad. Really fucking bad. Just so boring and awkwardly put together. The lore wasn't anything mind blowing either.

>>365486065
Critical mode level 1 isnt an action """RPG""".

Its an action game with a basic combo and dodging. The bosses are superior to anything platinum has to offer.

>>365486109
The voice acting was nice, that's about it and it explained basicly one thing over the course of 60 minutes

>>365486065
Not him but KH is barely an rpg. It's a very loose definition of rpg. It's definitely an action game first. You can beat it with skill alone. Lvl1 play throughs prove this.

>>365486185
Wait so we're going to Platinum? Oh i should've known better.
Also the super bosses are good in KH2FM, but that's about it and it neede an extra verison to even add them

>>365482153
>not memorizing autistic combos
I-
Isn't that-

Isn't that what a more "deep" character action game might entail?
KH has at most two button to attack. The attack button, and a combo modifier (KHII onry) or a command button (BbS, Re:c, DDD)

The only combos you have are "how many times do I press this one button?"

I just finished Back Cover, I thought it was pretty interesting. But it left me with so many questions. How far in the future does the book show? Did Xehanort know of the books existence? What the hell is the master's endgame?
I can't wait for KH3, the Olympus tutorial world should be cool, and I did like the fact it explains why Sora is getting nerfed to lvl 1 again. Overall, I enjoyed KH3:Ground Zeroes. Fuck, just seeing Sora, Donald, and Goofy heading off on their adventure gave me all kinds of feels

>>365486109
Yeah, it was pointless. Neat that the Master has an unexpected personality, but fucking nothing happened. I thought there would at least be some cool meaningless fighting in it, but there's on scene that hard cuts out of it when it should get fun to watch. Hah.

>>365481228
Ok
I hope 3 will come out in my lifetime

>>365481228
You mean versus 13? None of this shit ended up in XV

>>365486727
XV of 2013 at the least.

>>365486719
>I hope 3 will come out in my lifetime
It'll come out, but you'll die before you can play it.

>>365481228
KH2 and BBS had similar attacks.

>>365486109
>>365486208
>>365486713
I liked it :( it basically gave me the abridged version of a game i'll never play(tried it, didn't care for it)

>>365483054
>>365483357
Standard, I think Lv65 or so.

>>365486825
I liked it too, at least it was something new, but i expected a little more story or twists more from it

>>365481228
Isn't that just Ars Arcanum? KH did it first.

>>365486727
What? Yes it did. It turned into Armiger mode.
Still butthurt we never went to Insomnia. Still enjoyed the game mind.

>>365486719
Why does he do this thing where he's making like three games at once. I honestly hope we aren't waiting another five years for KH3. Tabata has basically taken all the flack for FFXV whereas Nomura has come out smelling of roses, so it would be kinda funny if someone had to come in and sort the game out again.

>>365486892
True, but it did explain the origins of MX keyblade, which was neat. But come now, after how Coded only explained Mickey's letter at the end of KH2, what were we expecting?

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I love the fact the master disappeared and became prince noctis

>>365485684
You're objectively wrong

>>365487103
Was that your killing joke?
'Cause I'm dying over here.

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>>365481725
>dodging straight away from the projectile
Nigga use them iframes

>>365486185
Here's your (You)

>>365483807
>>365484026
The same exact mechanic is in Bayonetta and the original DMC, fyi. Otherwise lethal attacks/combos will instead leave you with alive with an empty health bar. It's just less noticeable in those games because enemy combos rarely go on for that long.

>>365487360
It was like the 2nd time I got there.

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>>365487282
Oh I got another one! I was wondering where ol'e Dent went to when he escaped Arkham. I see he became the leader of some cult who worships keys. Guess his new personality is "Bear Face"
the joke is that the guy who voiced harvey dent in batman:the telltale series, also voiced Arvo

>>365485684
Have you beaten all the data fights and Terra armor on critical? If not then you have no idea what you're talking about.

I haven't played this 0.2/2.8/KH3 demo. Can we say that KH3 is looking good so far?

>>365488036
The combat has potential so far, overall we barely saw anything of KH3 though. It's really time for a new trailer

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>>365481228
What drugs are you sniffing, OP?

Aqua has already been tele-spamming since her original game. Remember Ghost Drive "worst" Drive?

>>365481348
BBS and decks were a mistake.

I'm not usually a guy who goes into a game's thread and says that he doesn't like it, but I really want to know how the dedicated KH fanbase feels about the series.

My roommate was super excited about bringing home KH 2.8 the other day and I could only respond with something akin to disgust. And then I walked in on her playing it and it was a bunch of not-Organization XIII members wearing animal masks talking about some run-of-the-mill shit that would be commonplace in just about any anime.

The series is like a trash fire to me. I enjoyed the first two games, the first a lot. The second less so because it was just combat corridors where you mashed attack and triangle every now and then, but I still did enjoy the series on harder difficulties. This shit is fucking crazy though. How much milking can keep happening?

>>365488264
I just want to see how crazy the story gets at this time and how over the top boss battles are in KH3. And i still enjoy the combat even in the unbalanced handheld games and the music is great.
But it's nothing i'd reccomend to anyone.

>>365488264
Let me ask you something. What is the problem exactly?

>>365488036
It's the best bit of gameplay the series has produced since KH2FM, though it still isn't anywhere near as good as that. Aqua's movement and attack animations still have some of the stiffness from BBS, but I don't think that can really be avoided without changing the way she moves entirely. The enemy/boss designs are a step in the right direction but they're not there yet. Overall though the core mechanics are good, for the most part, and there was a patch that rebalanced the game to be more like KH2 as well.

Basically if you like the combat of KH2FM and have been wanting more of that, I think it's okay to be cautiously optimistic of KH3. And this coming from someone who's hated BBS combat and the Osaka team since BBS first released in the US.

>>365488441
I haven't had hope in a new video game in years. It looks like it's time to hope again.

>>365488264
Milking keeps happening because
- The team that used to make the mainline games were doing something else, including making FF13 sequels, fixing FF14, and finally making FF15. They got so busy, the "gaiden" game devs just became the main KH dev team instead.
- KH is the AssCreed of JRPG. There always has to be a new one literally every year.
- The recent KH releases are games that are only available in the mobiles. This one is for the people who keeps complaining about how difficult it is to follow Nomura's wild ride because of how scattered the game is.

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>last KH3 trailer was more than a years ago

>>365488416
What started as a whimsical and silly mashup between Square and Disney characters, with a really straightforward story about bad guys taking over the happy Disney worlds, got bloated and huge with increasingly more over-the-top action and convoluted stories.

That is why I am personally not interested in the series anymore. It's why I'm asking people who like the game why they like the game.

>>365488264
I've invested too much time in this garbage to not see it ends

>>365488705
Because I got invested in the characters and I want to see them all get a happy ending. Terra, Ven, Roxas, they are suffering and Sora needs to save them. Also, I really wanna see that ass faggot Xehanort get his comeuppance. Plus, the gameplay is still really fun

>>365488705
I play KH games for the gameplay. I skip most of the cutscenes. It's deviant art tier fanfiction nonsense. KH is the best action RPG series. I love the feel the keyblade and how over the top everything can get. KH is the only game where I feel like I am as powerful as the bosses are. They can do insane shit but you can too.

>>365481725
>Beginner Mode.

>>365488705
You don't have to play KH strictly for the story. The games still have great gameplay, music, art, etc.

Like damn. I have never seen a series that gets this kind of "attention," towards it. Other games that have a "over the top," plot (which is not for everybody), you see people giving it a pass as long as everything else to par, but it feels like KH in particular gets picked on for it's plot and people act like the game is irredeemable otherwise.

>>365481526
B-but anons here always say KH's combat is deep. Am I being meme'd?

>>365489767
It's as deep as you make it, critical in "FM is pretty well balanced and has it's share of depth, but the series overall is not deep in terms of gameplay or boss design

>>365488705
I genuinely enjoy the bloated cast and the insanely convoluted story (which is actually not terribly difficult to understand if you pay attention, just incredibly hard to explain - though it is getting a tad "too much" come Dream Drop Distance). I got into the series when I was a teen and KH2 caught me at the perfect dopey anime nerd time to get invested in it and I just haven't been able to shake it into adulthood. Some of my love for the plot has probably gone partially ironic, because it's getting really crazy come DDD, but I still love the characters and want to see them be triumphant against a fucking shithead like Xehanort.

KH2FM is one of my top five games of all time.

>there's a bunch of people in their mid 20s, maybe even early 30s that will purchase kingdom hearts game for the rest of their life

I actually think at one point even square was like "what the fuck they are still buying this shit, try to name them stupid shit and throw a random number like 1.9-4+5=FINAL REMIX 1.9 and see what happens" well, here we are at 2.8 with a game called 0.2 and these people are now buying a second(third?) remaster.

>>365489909
How old are you and what kind of videogames do you play?

>>365489909
They're just HD Collections.

>>365489909
The names of the HD collections make sense if you look at their content in context.

Days admittedly had a stupid fucking name, and the decimal stuff is sort of silly, but at least they're sticking to their crazy guns.

>>365481228
You can do that in the original birth by sleep

>>365490156
I miss Ghost Drive.

>>365488925
>>365489587
Part of the reason I lost interest in the series is because I really enjoyed playing KH1. It was rough around the edges, but its mechanics were tight enough that it was really enjoyable.

KH2, on the normal level play it, is just mindless. It was just running down combat corridors mashing attack and then hitting triangle when it popped up. On my first playthrough, going in blind, I only died once in the entire game to the guy who flies around on Spears in Beast's level. But then Mickey showed up I think, or maybe it was Heartless Sora? I don't remember, but the fight still went on. It was very brainless.

I hear that it gets a lot more technical and fun when you do the hardest game modes or use self-imposed limitations, but I just wasn't invested enough the series after 2 to care much.

I think I very briefly had fun with it again when a friend asked me to beat Hook for him on a PSP or Vita game, I couldn't tell you which it was because there are so many games across so many different systems, and he was really underleveled. It was fun, but I'm just turned off by the clusterfuck of a story that I see because I do need some sort of story investment to really get into a game.

Again, this isn't me trying to say people who do enjoy the games have shit taste or anything, I'm just probing to see why people still like it. I know my roommate does because she's a fucking massive weeaboo who put up anime wall scrolls all over our living room. She eats up anything that looks even kind of anime.

Thanks to everyone who replied though.

>>365486825
Except it didn't because Back Cover is about showing the stuff the Player doesn't get to see since he's not in the in

>>365490238
That was the worst style though

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>>365481228
So, Keyblade Transformations, Shotlocks, Magic, Disney Ride Summons, Flowmotion, Situation Commands, and.. the return of combo modifiers?

all this and bosses with revenge value best kh ever

>>365490352
>I couldn't tell you which it was because there are so many games across so many different systems,

To be fair, they fixed that now with the HD Collections. PS4 will have the entire series on it.

>>365490440
The question is if they'll be able to balance all of that in KH3, the more shit you can do there higher the chance that some of it will be either useless or OP

>>365490547
That only means nomura is challenged to creating more interesting bossfights however. Some of these could be useless in some situations, you can already see the Aqua fight you cant use shotlocks really.

>>365490645
Yeah, sure but what if ride summons or a certain keyblade transformation will be the best thing in every situation. And i hope we'll get some good setpiece bossfights again. I love the 1v1 humanoid super bosses, but big shit with some good transition always made KH1 and 2 good. I hope not every boss are like the ones from 0.2 or the handheld games where youÄre mostly just on the ground and repeat shit over and over again

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>>365481391
>>365481463
>>365481680
>le it wasn't Nomura's fault at all
>le Nomura is good

Are you guys actually mentally disabled and do you really believe the Tabata meme?

The game was in development hell under Nomura. Nomura is the worst character of all time, he gave us those gay emo faggots and Kingdom Hearts on PS2 literally had worse gameplay, controls and camera than fucking Ocarina of Time on N64 and the worst start of a game ever.

>>365490645
We've seen a ride summon implemented into the rock titan boss fight from trailers, it'll probably work in the same way that wayfinder did against the final boss in 0.2

>>365490645
Things shouldn't really ever be "useless" though. At worst, it should just be that the enemy is resistant/immune to a certain element. Making enemies arbitrarily immune to certain mechanics is bad design, and it's something the Osaka games have been very guilty of in the past.

Part of the genius of KH2 is that you could use almost anything at any given time and still get some advantage out of it (if you're good, at least). Over time people found what the best options were in any given situation, but that doesn't make the other options useless. Just, sub-optimal.

>>365488146
I really, really, really like this picture.

>>365490815
It was hardly in development at all under Nomura.

Versus XIII was plagued with management problems and utterly buttfucked by the FFXIV abortion.

Dollars to donuts if they had committed to vsXIII instead of letting Toriyama get Lightning TWO sequels, it would have been out years ago.

>>365481725
What no giant button prompt for blocking like in FFXV?

>>365491306
You mean like a QTE?

>>365481228
Looks gay as fuck famalam.
Shit game is shit.

>>365490815
are you some kind of barneyfag for Nomura?

>>365490815
Fuck off XV-kun.

>>365491984
>XV-kun
>criticizing Noctis' design (or anything else in FFXV for that matter)
nah, this is another faggot

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>>365490440
I said it before, I'll say it again. KH3's combat looks floaty as fuck, even more so than KH2. It's like if they took the aerial finish combo from KH2 and made every hit of the combo like that.
Re:Coded had the best combat balance of the series. Three types of keyblades with slow, normal and fast attack speeds, each with unique abilities you can change on the fly. A standard grounded and aerial combo that you can extend, and a fuckton of commands that can cancel into one another to make custom combos.

>>365490547
>>365490547
You gotta believe they can I mean 90% of all mechanics are used in even a KH2 speedrun. So provided that Disney rides do decent damage for what we can only assume is a somewhat length animation its usable.

>>365492507
It had good combat but it's enemy designs left a lot to be desired. It also had the problem of strongest command x4 +1 curaga as the winning formula.

Still I really wish either DDD had that gameplay or Re:coded got the game.

>>365492585
Yeah, but KH3 will have at least 3-4 more mechanics. I just hope the bossfights will be fun overall, i don't really care too much about 100% perfect balance. I just don't want another DDD

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>>365492507
>literally no other KH game has unlockable features that alter game balance to make grinding easier or battles more difficult
>we'll never get a robust system sector creator
That game had all the right ideas, but it got demoted to movie.

>>365492972
They could even include a system like in TWEWY where you could control you level yourself

>>365492763
Eh honestly Young Xehanort was a fine boss fight. Ansem though was pure trash and Ventus would have been too if it wasn't so easy.

>>365490547
Balance went out of the window as soon as KH dropped resource mechanics.

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15th anniversary box(1.5+2.5+2.8) came out with a character relationship chart.

Can YOU guess who will play a central role in KH3? The answer may surprise you!

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>>365494218
SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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>>365494218

>>365494401
>>365494218
0.2 is the main appeal of 2.8

>>365494218
>>365494401
you know, i don't care that this makes sense as-is. i am actually upset that sora and riku don't share center billing on this chart, they're the main fucking characters, protagonist and rival of 1, deuteragonists of chain of memories, main players in the final boss fight of 2, deuteragonists of DDD. what the christ, aqua

>>365489872
>because it's getting really crazy come DDD
I honestly think everything was good until DDD introduced fucking time travel

>>365494218
>>365494401

>LUXU isn't on the chart

What does it mean?

>>365494530
The box is for 1.5+2.5+2.8

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>bad ground strings
>bad finishers
>bad aerials
>no combo modifiers
>Shotlocks over Limits
>botched Critical
>unreasonably low damage floors
>Guard i frames don't carry into successive Guards
>magic devolves into AoE nukes
>projectile spamming mob fights
>Devil's Wave
>crashes

Why are people defending this shit? Am I missing something?

>>365495646
It's not full game, i honestly never expected shit like combo modifiers in a 2 hours tech demo and the shotlock thing is mostly Aqua related.
>crashes
2FM crashed on me more than once, wtf worst game ever

>>365495815
That's because you played the shitty PS3 port.

>>365495646
0.2 got patched with improvements today.

http://www.khinsider.com/news/Version-1-02-Patch-released-for-KINGDOM-HEARTS-0-2-8297

>Spells now turn yellow in the command menu when using them again will send you into MP Charge, just like in KH2.
>Jump command inputs are dropped less often, controls all around feel more precise.
>Enemies do less damage on Proud Mode
>Your character does more damage on Critical Mode. Don't know exactly how much but it's a significant difference, enemies are much more likely to die before your combo finisher now.
-Counter-blast can now be immediately canceled into another Guard
-Spellweaver combo animations can be instantly canceled into a dodge
-Demon Tower and Demon Wave have both been modified.
>They now start glowing red a second or two before attacking, instead of glowing once there hurtbox is already active. You now have a grace period to dodge.
-Overall aggression seems to be dropped, they give you much more time to hit them between attacks
>The final part of Demon Wave's DM where he launches you into the air now has way less orbs being thrown up at you.
>Wave's base defense seems to have been lowered

>>365495646
Most of the shit is Aqua related and i doubt it will be in KH3.
It's a step in the right direction, i won't defend it no matter what, but it's far from shit
>>365495903
Not that guy, but KH2FM also has crahes on PS2. 99% of games have crashes.
Games are just way more complex nowadays you can bet your ass that KH3 will also have crashes

>>365495646
How did you get that Destiny Islands pic? I keep getting the World Within

>>365496075
kh2fm has never crashed on me on ps2, gtfo spent over 100 hours on it back in 2010,

>>365495048
>DDD introduced fucking time travel
I've played this game and can't remember anything. Thank god it came to PS4, otherwise I would be confused as hell going into KH3.

>>365497883
Yet it crashed for me, guess what there' re also people out there that never had a crash in 2.5. There's always a first time.
>gtfo
Geez

>>365495048
>DDD introduced fucking time travel
KH2 introduced time travel

>>365481725
MUH
DICK

>>365498216

2.5 crashes are known and reproducible tho, not to mention the loading problem during drive forms

>>365481228
>PS4 has a dedicated video recording function
>people still capture footage with a camera in front of the screen
Fucking how?

>>365481348
Square when prompted, just like every other attack in XV

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>>365495953
>Enemies do less damage on proud
>You do more damage on critical

>>365499230
KHIIFM makes Sora do more damage on Critical as well.

It's called balancing.
0.2's original Critical was obscene. The patch made it much more reasonable.

>>365489767
>reflect spam and mashing x is "deep"
you are getting meme'd hard, kiddo

>>365498440
Disney disable so the recording at random

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>>365499361
>depth of gameplay is restricted to input complexity
What exactly do you think mechanics are for?

>>365499290
Whoops, guess I never pay attention

>>365481725
woah, this is like the dark souls of rpg/action games

>>365499361
>reflect spam
Enjoy wasting your MP for absolutely no reason and getting wrecked, dipshit
>mashing x
To trigger a boss's counter and die instantly. Wew lad

KH2 objectively (in the actual definition of the word) has more complex boss design and varied movesets than most action games.

>>365499674
>KH2 objectively (in the actual definition of the word) has more complex boss design and varied movesets than most action games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrAlH-A36cw
What a complex and challenging game!

>>365499790
>beginner mode
You don't get it right ?

>>365499790
And yet that took 7 years and reverse engineering the game to be discovered and STILL requires more precision than cheesing DMC bosses (shooting Cerberus and Agni & Rudra from the bottom left corner, looping Vergil, ect). When Terra is free, he is by far one of the most dangerous action game bosses period. This doesn't really refute my point that KH2 objectively (in the actual definition of the word) has more complex boss design and varied movesets than most action games.

>>365499790
>using AI exploits for an ez victory instead of using the systems of the game to your advantage for a much better result
pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWyzAA8z0A

>>365481725
wow thats bullshit you should be able to hold a button to block and dodge everything.