I'm not sure whether I like these kinds of loot-driven ARPGs

>>364837705
Honestly torchlight 1 was much more fun to play, if you have access to it give it a shot.

path of exile if you like to play a real arpg
diablo 3 if you are dumb retard who likes to play with his dude gamer bros.

torchlight is shit, just like grim dawn.
no seasons, no server side saving, no real endgame, poor balancing, retarded wow gfx, list goes on.

grim dawn is my favourite

>>364837834
I prefer torchlight 2 to 1
I think it's the same but with more diverse environments (I didn't finish TL1 though, but as far as I got, it didn't change that much)

>>364839037
>path of exile if you like to play a real arpg
well PoE turns me off because of its retarded sphere grid
You have to look for a build to make something that is not useless as fuck, then re-do it when the new season drops

>>364840120
Or you could spend a few hours thinking up your own build. Either way, PoE is a game for people with a lot of spare time while D3 is perfect for normies

Diablo 2 or Titanquest

>>364840245
yeah but what about a newcomer who doesn't know what the game will throw at his face? you can't plan a build efficiently that way, then you're forced to look up a build online

I like unforgiving games, but I don't want to waste my time that much

also diablo3 is something blizzard should be killed for

Grim Dawn for a good single player experience. Doesn't run all that well on account of the old Titan Quest engine it runs on though.

Diablo 2, Titan Quest itself, Path Of Exile are also good choices.

Diablo 3 is still an ARPG technically I guess, but the rpg systems and itemization are just terrible

I don't mind diablo 3. I came back for season 9. I am enjoying it.

>>364840120
Honestly you can do perfectly ok in PoE if you just kinda path to whatever looks pretty good. You will make mistakes and you will do unoptimal shit but you'll learn a lot and the next time you make a character you'll do better.

>>364839037
>diablo 3 if you are dumb retard who likes to play with his dude gamer bros.
maybe I just wanna have fun with my friends :-)

>>364840245
>any game with a ladder
>good for normies

>>364841895
?
you play for 2 hours a day after coming back from work, hit 70, get your welfare set, play with it a bit and season ends

there is no ladder unless you look for it

>>364842359
you're an idiot

>>364839037
>path of exile if you like to play a really shit game that got worse with development and not better
Fixed

>>364842430
Not an argument.

>>364837705
Your choices are;
Diablo 2; best lootin grindin ARPG there is
Titan Quest; okay ARPG, best aesthetic
Diablo 3; best combat in terms of responsiveness and fluidity but shit everything else

Then you have all the other games which are just shit
>PoE
Got ruined and is now 100% about speed running ladders while hold M1 clearing the screen in seconds and mashing pots
>Grimdawn
Its titan quest but worse aesthetic
>Torchlight 1/2
Just simplistic versions of D2

This genre is shit, save yourself and go play a non isomeric ARPG like Souls/DD/MH or a good RPG instead.

i like destiny

>>364842661
I didn't argue anything because you said something really stupid

What about that korean diablo game? The trailers looked interesting.

>>364842807
You're gonna have to explain how getting your welfare set and then grinding a little to get another set and then getting bored and quitting isn't how d3 is played because I don't see it.

>>364837705
diablo 2 is the king of the genre
if you don't like it, you probably won't like any of the others

>>364842665
you forgot sacred 2

dungeon siege 1/2

loki

Ragnarok Online

>>364842992
I didn't disagree with that

you said there's no ladder unless you look for it

that's like saying no game is competitive unless you compete without even knowing it

Torchlight 2 was really bad. It also felt extremely awkward to play compared to TQ/D3, for some reason.

NOX is literally the best but it's a lot more A than RPG

lately they've all been shit. Torchlight games are boring but Diablo 3 is Blizzard branded fecal matter

>>364842948

Lost Ark?

>>364843036
viktor vran

van hellsing

>>364843036
dungeon siege 2 is so good. love that game

>>364837705
>Sacred 1 and 2. Keep away from 3.
>Dungeon Siege 1, 2 and maybe 3.
>Van Hellsing 1.
Keep an Eye on Lost Ark, since that looks really promising. It's not released yet tho.

>>364843228
It was such a fucking great game. I can still remember every single fucking detail about it. Absolutely Amazing.

Whatever happened to Hellgate London? I remember watching a trailer waaaaay back but completely forgot about that game shortly after.

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>>364839037
PoE is garbage

>>364843148
fuck yeah, now i want to play nox again

>>364843812
It failed soooo many times that you cant even find a torrent of the game anymore:
>March 2008, release
>February 2009, The original servers were shut down.
>November 2009, HanbitSoft announced the re-development of Hellgate: London
>July 2011, Hellgate: London multiplayer servers were relaunched using a free-to-play model.
>September 2014, Hellgate Global, which was announced to include the expansion Hellgate: Tokyo and the new Hell Mode difficulty level, was listed at Steam Greenlight
>January 2016 the T3Fun/Redbana Hellgate Global service was shut down.

They forced the MMO experience on it with paid service too much, instead of developing on single player/coop or going on a proper F2P model from start like Path of Exile did.

Titan Quest is a terrible game, the combat and ragdolls feel like total shit when you hit them. It's like you're hitting rubber mannequins

>>364844731
Try playing the Anniversary edition on steam, they gave it away to anyone who owned original TQ.
One amazing thing it has is GAME SPEED option.
I've been playing on 2x game speed since level 1, it feel so much better to run around, and combat is much smother and active, no longer sluggish and slow.

>>364844880
I'm gonna give this a go

piracy here we come

The thing about ARPGs is that they are all about the combat, so making it feel gratifying is literally the most important thing for the developer to succeed at.

While people give D3 a lot of shit (and some of it well deserved), Blizzard did nail the combat. Enemies explode in showers of gore, get flung at walls and objects which in turn get destroyed by the impacts etc.

D3 is a joy to play, even if you do not have any particular goal in mind when you boot it up. This is not to say that D3 is a great or even good game, mind you, just that they did get one of the most important aspects right, and if other devs take anything out of D3, it should be the feel of the combat.

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>>364839037
mature games for mature gamers such as myself!

>>364845303
The boring combat is one of the biggest problems of Torchlight games, they have nice ideas but it just feels dull as fuck to play both games.

Grim Dawn suffers from the same problem as well. it just gets really boring in a genre that is all about combat

>>364839037
>path of exile if you like to play a real arpg
I wasn't aware real arpgs were all about not being able to get loot you want without trading.

If anything, PoE is the game for people who like to play with their dude gamer bros because of that.

>>364841234
t. Someone who can't even clear a tier 9 map

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>>364843036
>sacred 2
First sacred is miles better.

It's open world done right before open world was a thing.

>>364844209
CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW

>>364843646
>>Sacred 1 and 2. Keep away from 3.
I'm still mad about sacred 3.

I will never not be mad.

>>364845532
You're a retard that clearly never played Diablo 2

Grim Dawn is easily the best ARPG currently out on the market. Play that one.

>>364845724
Trading wasn't mandatory in D2. Useful and worth it, but not mandatory.

>>364845451
I really liked Viktor Vran because of this

>>364837705
Anything with actual aesthetic
Diablo 2 and borderlands 1 is all ive everplayed

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>>364843646

>Sacred 3

Fuck them so hard for what they did.

>>364845734
Grim Dawn and TQ are both good games, but I feel like they have way too few active skills. Most skill points from leveling up go into passive skills that give you percentage bonuses to your stats, and this leads to leveling up being a very dull experience 90% of the time.

>>364845734
it's ok

>>364845715
Fucking Hell! I swear the whole existance of Sacred 3 is a big fucking insult. They took over the community sites and got help and feedback not only from the old studio but also from really invested Sacred fans. And they still fucked it up so horrible.

Don't even get me going about the lolrandom humour.

>>364845821
It's not mandatory in Path of Exile either

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>>364845391
>*click*
"I'm Akara, Hig..."
>*click*
"There is a place..."
>*click*

Welp, time kill shit.

>>364842665
>Torchlight 2
>Just simplistic versions of D2
Except it plays better and is more sophisticated in every way.
maybe you dislike color.

>>364845870
>Grim Dawn and TQ are both good games, but I feel like they have way too few active skills.
It depends on the build.

I don't enjoy having a ton of active skills myself so I'm perfectly fine with having just a few.

>tfw no sci-fi diablo clones

>>364845907
>And they still fucked it up so horrible.
They didn't just fuck it up,they changed the core aspects of the series.

You don't do that, ever.

>>364846169
Honestly? They made a completely different fucking shitgame and called it Sacred since the IP was available to buy.

Used to love Median XL for diablo 2 but got worn out already. Got so many characters to lvl 30 that every single build bores me

>>364846275
>>364846169
they did the same shit with dungeon siege

>>364846420
I'm still trying to wrap my head around dungeon siege 3
seriously what the fuck

>>364846053
There's Harbinger, but it was pretty bad from what I can remember.

>>364846397
>lvl 30
Implying fucking MedianXL barely even starts before level 100 runes and dungeons.
Are you sure you even played that mod?

>>364846729
I know, that's nowadays. Got a few to around 80 and got bored. You are right though, but can't find a class I like so I end up deleting everything and re downloading it a few weeks later

>>364842665
>>Its titan quest but worse aesthetic
it really isn't. it's a vast improvement gameplay wise over TQ

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>>364846943
Well main thing that kept me going was a coop buddy, because even playing with shit in coop is fun.
I think we played through every single ARPG we could get our hands on, that includes 5 characters to 100+ in MedianXL out of which we got 1 most fun to each to lvl cap which was 120 I think?

Getting hyped about Grim Dawn new expansion (+2 classes) soon, Path of Exile expansion (new act), Diablo 3 new class and even Mu Legends release (Mu Online was one of my first ARPG online expiriences, its bad game, but my nostalgia goggles hold strong, tried closed beta, had fun).

>>364843169
>Lost Ark

Yes hows that gaming coming along? Saw a trailer of it like a year or two ago..

>>364847410
>(+2 classes) soon

>one of them is going to be a much needed ranged combat class
>but it will focus on dealing elemental damage
On one hand I'm happy we are getting aranged class, but on the other there are so many elemental damage builds while physical/pierce/bleeding/trauma are largely unsupported outside of blademaster and soldier and rare item sets.

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>>364845657
Path of exile started out bad, was made worse by it's expansions, and remains a pay to even slightly enjoy cash grab.

This seems like a good place to ask

A few years ago I got Titan Quest, Anniversary addition, and Immortal throne

Never played any of them where do I start?

>>364848713
nice try

I do agree the expansions have made it worse though. I think Act 3 was at its best when it ended at Piety. They've overloaded that act, it's far too long now.

>>364848713
CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW

>>364849354
Path of Exile can't be made magically good by autism anon.

>>364849201
>Anniversary Edition
Its TQ+IT+Patches and balances all in one.
You don't need anything else.

>>364845657
>>364849354
>I'm not adult enough to make an intelligent argument so I'll spam /poeg/ memes.

>>364849548
awesome thank you :)

>>364849354
They really dropped the ball with all their updates and designed the game around inconveniencing you enough to give them more than the cost of a regular game.

Plus that shared passive tree means you MUST follow the optimized route or you character will be objective trash. They wanted you to fuck up, start over, play more and pay them more.

>>364837705
Victor vran. It's more like a top-down action game than an autistic pinata simulator. But it depends on whether you want to exhaust all the contents in form of challenges or not.

MU Legend beta was pretty good, next beta should be sometime soon.

Herowarz was a decent gook attempt, but they're going on "hiatus" to fix the game March 26th, can still play till then.

Marvel Heroes is ok, especially if you're a Marvel fan to begin with, but they're a bit jew-y for storage space, which you'll need a bit of.

Personally I remember there being a squad-based Diablo-like that was set in feudal Japan, but I didn't buy it back when I was a kid and i can't find a place to download it. I feel like I may have missed something great.

>>364850290
>squad-based Diablo-like that was set in feudal Japan
Throne Of Darkness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwUf9uWJlCE

>>364849745
Because they game is now less about diversity and experimenting more then it ever was.
Basically, PoE is now more or less "Use the cookie cutter FOTM build to go fast before it gets nerfed".

>>364850436
Yeah, that's the one. I remember getting a demo of it on a PCgamer disc or something, and really liking the systems they had, but that was when I was a kid and poor.

>>364850576
Have you ever considered... and i know this word might surprise you... playing for FUCKING FUN?
Do you really have to be in the "I must play FOTM build or ill kill myself" mindset and refuse to enjoy the game?

This league one of my most fun characters was a Witch 2h Cycloner with a Cast on Melee Kill Firestorm, and its a blast in rifts covering entire screens with firestorms while doing decent enough cyclone damage thanks to Oro's Sacrifice. 220% life and a GIGABILION% fire damage from tree and ascendancy.

Dungeon Siege 2 is such an incredible game.

>>364846053
darkspore

>>364837705
Titanquest
Path of Exile
Diablo 2

Don't worry about ladders and just play single player.

whats so bad about Diablo 3? i think it's fun in its current state, early torment might be too easy but it's easier to progress newer classes towards end game

>>364851951
I think people dislike the heavy focus on max level and the lack of customisation when compared to d2

Loved titan quest when it came out. Ancient mythology really charges my batteries. It's one game I really regret not finishing. I'd play it now, but God it feels so old.

>>364851951
As an ARPG? Its actually a fun game to play, I enjoyed it, and still play at least one char per season.
As a successor to Diablo 2? It failed pretty bad, gameplay is so much different, atmosphere is WoW-clone cartoony and not to mention horrible horrible launch with RMAH.

>>364851951
it has no end game
doing grifts in parties for paragons and hoping for that one ancient drop is not considered end game.

also poor balance and lack of build choices, you basically just play what blizzard allows you to play through their sets.
fucking itemization and no trade, trade is big part of diablo/arpg games.

even though the vanilla d3 release was shit, the game back in its fucked up state + ah was way more fun than d3 currently is.

but I guess casuals who just want to farm 30-60mins after work wont care about those things. for people like that d3 is perfect.

>>364837834
God TL1. I had the stupidest fucking luck in that game. Really really early on, I started enchanting my weapon in it and kept making it stronger. It got to the point where there was 4% chance of success (and that's the lowest it goes) and it kept passing. Like a lvl5 weapon was stronger than anything else in the game for me because of how many times I enchanted it.

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>>364846053

>>364837705
Diablo 2 LoD.
But to be honest, you are about 15 years too late to the party. The appeal this genre had is gone, due to other genres/games which exist now and feed that hunger. Isometric hack'n'slay was a nice thing due to technical boundaries, but since those boundaries are gone (gotten bigger), plus you have RPG elements in every second game, there's simply no reason to play lootpinatas anymore.

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>>364837705
Torchlight 2 is my GOAT
Path of Exile, Titan Quest, the Incredible Adventures of Vanhelsing, are also good.

Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem is shaping up nicely.
Dont let anyone tell you Diablo 3 is bad. It isnt. Torchlight is better though.

>>364839037
>diablo 3 if you are dumb retard who likes to play with his dude gamer bros.
D3 has probably the best end game though. It never stops. Always something to improve, always able to get stronger, do higher Grifts.

I've put in a LOT more hours on D3 than any other ARPG out there because of it's end game.

>>364852554
yeah
grinding for that sweet +5 mainstat sure sounds like fun.

>>364852814
>complaining about grinding in a fucking arpg

>>364852421
>The appeal this genre had is gone
>there's still tons of people playing Diablo, POE, Grim Dawn

Genre isn't going anywhere. If any genre is dying it's RTS.

>>364852814
>implying that is not the whole point of ARPGs

>>364852976
grinding is fine but for fucking +5mainstats, srsly?
thats all you do, just so you have 27385mainstats instead of 27380, are you fo real?

a few days after a season start you stop actually picking up items because most of them will be garbage and at this point you are already decked out in full ancient shit anyway.

ARPG games are my favorite genre of video games and I think Path of Exile is the best one out but it is hard to recommend to people that dont have minor autism or just a lot of time on their hands.

I usually listen to audiobooks or podcasts while grinding and coming up with new builds and I find it to be really enjoyable. Ive got 1000 hours put into it now

>>364852976
also whats the point in doing higher grifts?
is this really an incentive for you to grind?
its not like you will be able to do new content that you otherwise wouldnt be able to do, its just the same shit, just with more zero's.

>>364839037
i always tried poe to be extremly dull and soulless. both gameplay, story and graphics wise.

and i really wanted to like it, since it's pretty much considered the only decent and deep diablo clone with grim dawn, but nothing, i cant really like it. i still updates it from time to time when a new expansion comes out, but nope, nothing.

i had really much more fun playing tl1 some years back, albeit never finishing. lately i've been enjoing myself watching diablo and diablo 2 speedruns on twitch

>>364853293
>Not picking up legendary gear.
>Not picking up crafting material.

Son, you need to keep picking shit up so you can get a copy of what you have equiped to keep rerolling until it has better stats than what you have equipped.

>>364853147
>>364852976

>implying making a vast selection of fun builds isn't what decides the longevity of an arpg

Grinding for those items that you're gonna use for x build is vastly different than grinding for the same item/items you already have and are bis, but with a slightly higher stat number

come on man

>>364837705
D3 if you want mindless fun/grind which gets old quick.

PoE if you want a great ARPG that takes a while to get fun.

>>364853476
Leaderboards.

Literally only game I care about with Leaderboards.

>>364853545
If you have multiple characters, chances are you're grinding for both at all times. Sometimes you finish off Tal Rasha's, find it to be boring and want to try Firebirds. Sometimes you like SWK so much you want to get every good stat possible on it to see just how far it can take you.

>>364853428
>the video game i am recommending is so boring i have to do other things while playing it

>>364853502

I thought that at first but a friend told me you gotta power through the beginning and youll get into the game more when mid game customization and build progression starts kicking off

>>364853739
you do know what the majority of people in the leaderboards bot and blizzard does literally NOTHING against it.
everyone is using demonbuddy or whatever this shit is called nowadays.
the rest are no-lifer streamers like gabynator or that retarded chainerguy, besides that no one fucking cares about seasons. the game has NO real competition.

>>364853803

Cute response but there are plenty of online games people listen to music while playing (like every single one of them) so its not a very good point.

>>364845917
D2 wasnt as focused on endgame as poe, it had actually interesting acts, whereas poe preendgame content is just a boring grind, early maps are another boring grind, yellow maps are tedious grind, red maps... oops time to load up poe.trade
and inb4
>implying you dont just poe.trade all the way from hillock to shaper

its a game heaviliy focused on trading which also happens to refuse to make trading an actually pleasant experience. If you decide to quit job and dedicate your life to poe, like countess nu-poe streamers like projectpt, then yes, you can play without trading.

on top of that, GGG is Tencent + RIOT incarnate.

Will dungeon siege 2 run on ((windows 10))?

>>364853928
Yeah, I don't actually get on the leaderboards, but if I can be within 10 levels of the top "grouping" (like say 1 or 2 people cleared 105 but most after that are in the 90s) I'm happy.

>>364837705
Diablo 1 and Divine Divinity are the only good games of the genre.

Out of all the ARPGs, which one is the most single player friendly?

>>364854030
Iam sure doing 1000x mephisto, pindle, eldrich, shenk runs are a lot of fun, even after the 1000th time. d2 had nothing to do besides that, and dont fucking start with pvp no one besides like 50-100 people on d2jsp cared about that shit.

dont get me wrong, I played d2 for years myself but besides mf runs there was nothing.

I also dont understand whats so bad about using poe.trade and pasting one fucking line to someone else. he either accepts or he refuses. its not like you buy shit on a daily basis.

with all the master craft changes and drop buffs you can easily play up to red maps solo without trading, you just need to get good

>>364854345
dark souls

Adventure Mode is the smartest thing to ever be put into an ARPG and I'd like to see something like it in every game in the genre for characters after your first.

>>364854345

They are all very single player friendly since the genre is pretty much made for single player play while grouping with people occasionally and trading with people

The big difference is varying degrees of difficulty or amount of time required to invest to get a good amount of enjoyment out of the game

From easy to hard id rank them

Torchlight 1 and 2 > Diablo 1 and 2 > Grim Dawn > Diablo 3 > Path of Exile

>>364837705

Aside from the popular most people have recommended, D2, Titan Quest, TL, you should try Diablo 3 reaper of souls a try, it's actually decent and fun for a while. Also, Van Helsing and Victor Vran is pretty cool. Van Helsing II not so much, but I loved the first one.

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>>364837705
The whole point is the loot thing. I thought Torchlight 2 was alright, liked it more than 1, and in general I don't like loot-driven games either but it was still fun enough.

>>364854784
Are you suggesting D3 is difficult?

PoE is just such an eyesore graphics wise I mean parts of D3 don't look good like especially pretty much all of the monsters and plenty of the spell effects but damn those back ground tile sets are gorgeous whereas there just isn't anything in PoE that looks good and about half of the tile sets look like down right dog shit.

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>>364854894

>>364854479
>1000x mephisto, pindle, eldrich, shenk runs
can't you read?
>>D2 wasnt as focused on endgame as poe, it had actually interesting acts
mephisto pindle ball runs were the "endgame" of d2, there was literally zero incentive behind them, other than getting even stronger for no reason ( except for pvp and über both of which arent even remotely attractive ), you already completed the game by that time.
>besides mf runs there was nothing.
there was the whole game you played before doing the mf runs, 5-7 distinct classes each with 2-3 good builds and another 2-3 "viable" ones.

>>364837705
if you play on hardcore it becomes basically a real time rogue lite

way more interesting than most roguelikes out there, at least for me personally

the goal obviously is how far you can get without dying

>>364837705
Honestly, Diablo 2 for PC and Dark Alliance + Champions of Norrath series on console. Everything else is shit.

>>364840658
>itemization are just terrible
how so?

>>364842665
>This genre is shit, save yourself and go play a non isomeric ARPG like Souls/DD/MH or a good RPG instead.
Bloodborne with chalice dungeons comes fairly close actually

>>364855242

The itemization is the worst part of Diablo 3

The builds are made by the devs, not by you

>>364854974
the problem with torchlight 2 is godawful balance. literally only a few skills for each class were good and the rest of the skills were really really bad. so in the end you'd just end up with the cookie cutter build

>>364855242
mainstat
cdr/vita
cc
cd

on every fucking item and most come already prerolled with 2-3 stats you need, the last one can be crafted on. this is not good game design.

Guild Wars 1 heavily borrowed concepts from Diablo so Id recommend that. Its really fun and not nearly as dull (imo spamming m1 isnt too fun). Guild wars 2 is okay and its free to an extent. Its not as good as 1 and you will be spamming m1 a lot.

>>364837705
All these games are literally
>follow a build exactly
>spam 2 abilities to clear rooms asap
>farm for the exact rng loot you need

>>364849342
>Literally <5-minute level+boss added
>Far too long

wut

>>364854894

That shit is Rip with the new update. It was actually pretty cool back then.

>>364855620
All JRPGS are literally
>hold walk button until you enter combat
>select attack animation from menu
>press button to advance dialogue

>>364856059
>responding to it

>>364856059
All skateboarding games are literally
>Hold x button and release to jump in air
>Mash every button on the controller
>Watch the board spin and do flips and stuff

>>364845303

this x 1000

this is why I could not love Titanquest. Combat was slow, dull, unimpressive

>>364856161
>responding to it

>>364855620
you can apply that simplification to literally every video game and video game genre

>>364856717

most good games/genres are dynamic and require the player to approach different challenges with different tactics. Gameplay loops are modified to remain fresh and interesting.

ARPGs are just autism simulators.

>>364857215
>i don't find it fun so it's autism!
in b4 fun is just a buzzword

but yeah fuck off

>>364857794
Son, I've played every game mentioned in this thread to completion.

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>tfw no Planetside 2 but with fantasy classes and crafting

>>364857906
did you have fun?

>>364839037
Found the friendless faggot who thinks he's superior because of his taste in vidya

>>364857906
So does this make you king of autists?

>>364858215

Hes not wrong though

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I really like Diablo 3 but the REAL end game is kinda awful. Farming ancients is impossible and on top of it being ancient it needs to have high stats and good perks. On top of everything else pushing higher greater rifts you need 800+ paragon.

>>364856425
All shooter games are literally
>Use WASD to move around the map
>point gun at the enemy
>press LMB to win

>>364837705

Divinity: Original Sin

Play real RPGs.
Fuck ARPGs

Engineer was best T2 class. All the effort really went into them, I think.

And after Torchlight 1 being just going down the dungeon hole, it was nice to have exterior environments. The real problem was not enough variety in the map plots so they always felt pretty samey even though the layouts were being mixed up a LITTLE bit.

Van Helsing for the banter between Helsing and Katarina and gothic steampunkish setting. They chose to monkey in a class system in Van Helsing 3, which carried over into the Final Cut, though, and it pissed people off since it forced specialization where once Helsing was both a gun-slinger and a sword-slinger.

i keep meaning to try Victor Vran but I keep not trying it. From the LP i took a quick gander at it looked like it wasn't as focused on loot as your typical arpg, more like one of those flashy but shallow korean cybercafe games where the player is dodging the lava on the ground while you beat on big bads.

>>364858394
he very much is though

>>364858946
no you are

>>364858946
nice arguments
thanks for this discussion.

diablo 2: best skill variety, amazing loot system, great music, its really the best choice

titan quest: it has no real flaws, looked amazing when it came out and still does, has a lot of great character options and is very long

TL1: disposable fun, worth playing to the end, but no replay

TL2: has a lot of small flaws, way too many skills that are useless, but the good ones are very good, loot system is horrible, but there are still good things to find

grim dawn: the skill design is absolutely terrible. 90% of the skills are buffs to your autoattack, looks amazing at first and the story is ok

path of exile: multishot. multishot. multishot. grindy and not that attractive

>>364847410
>Mu Online was one of my first ARPG online expiriences, its bad game, but my nostalgia goggles hold strong, tried closed beta, had fun).

Dude, fucking same here. That game was such a bad ridiculous grindfest, but it was my first online ARPG as well and I had fun with it for a while.

>>364859912

I disagree with literally everything you said here. Good job

>>364860136
not an argument

>>364860414
Had no intention of making one.

I dont argue with peoples subjective opinions

>>364851951

It's all about getting to max level and then there is nothing to do at max level.

>>364861069
RPGs are all about killing the final boss then there is nothing to do after the final boss.

>>364861215

They at lest have interesting stories and areas, D3 does not.

>>364847841
I think the korean closed beta ended recently. Might be a international beta soon-ish?

>>364839037
poe is cookie clicker garbage

I know this might simply be a symptom of ARPGs but are there any that aren't so ridiculously repetitive.

I liked Grim Dawn for a few hours but it got to the point where I was just holding left click on mobs for hours on end, gaining very little other than my abilities having higher numbers on them. I don't want something groundbreaking, but is there anything a bit more involved?

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>>364843646
>>364845715
>>364845852
I wonder how much fucking crack they smoked to shit out this kind of garbage. it killed the franchise.

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>>364861812
>entire game is one build
It takes talent to be this wrong.

NEVER play diablo 3. It's fucking terrible and a waste of time.

>>364861936
what are you even going on about

Unless you like endless, and mindless, grinding, no. ARPGs are basically glorified cookie clicker games.

>>364862084
He talks about the fact that you choose to play a build that had little active abilites and complain like the whole game has no active abilites at all.

Each mastery has a good amount of active skills and you choose two of them. You have only yourself to blame for not taking them.

>>364843171
Victor Vran got gameplay right. It get's pretty boring after like 10 hours though, and transmutation was SUCH a fucking letdown. I was so looking forward to it. Good thing I got the game for pennies on the dollar though.

Are there any games like this that use a third person camera and are more action game like? Say like Kingdom Hearts or Dynasty warriors or DMC or what have you, but with EPIC LOOT and such? I remember playing a scifi one on PSP, but it was pretty simple and generic. Kinda bad.

i love arpgs but they are taxing and a giant timesink

finish story drop game is the optimal way to play them

if you're doing 400 runs of a single thing just for a drop its time to move on to the next game

d3 has the best arpg combat out but no endgame worth playing through the story but grinding grs is a waste of life

PoE is good but autism incarnate

victor vran decent worth running through the story

grim dawn another story crawl kinda boring combat imo

idk arpgs could be better devilian is an mmoarpg but its korean grind shit and just aids amount of grinding for anything with optional pay money to get shit faster

needed a d4 all we get is necro ._.

PoE is the best diablo-like game out there.

>>364863731
darksiders games

Diablo 3 complete edition on PS4 is pretty good.

I already have about 150 hours sunk into it.

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>>364837705
ITT: Fuck you I like it

also it's objectively more challenging as it is an fps.

Definitley needs (needed) more content though.

>>364839037
>PoE best game in its genre objectively
>still only provides a week worth of fun every content release which is every quarter

why is this genre so shit. PoE would be good if they had an actually good single player content with a competitive pvp. No games of this genre has good fucking PvE or PvP. What the fuck.

>>364864347

The genre is shit because instead of focusing on a more byzantine procedurally generated content where you're actually getting some interesting dungeon layouts to play with it focused on gear drops where you're literally grinding the same repetitive thing n+1 times to get that one item and then move on to the next grind.

That kind of gameplay also invites extreme autism and minmaxing so all fun is sapped out of it.

>>364864114
>challenging
Except ARPGs have mobs coming at the characters.

>>364865393
>procedurally generated content
It's always shit outside of roguelikes where it's a core aspect of the genre.

It ends up with shitty layouts and you just memorize everything that can possibly happen.

Nothing can substitute actual content.

>>364866008

It's usually shit because no effort is put in it other than the bare minimum.

That's no excuse to abandon the concept or talk shit about it.

>>364866214
Putting a lot of effort into interesting layouts with many alternative paths and such will always end up being better.

>>364864061
Ah, yeah. I forgot about DS games. Any others by chance?

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>>364839037
>path of exile if you like to play a real arpg
So a real ARPG is being forced to go through a shitty repetitive story 3 times on each character only to be greeted with an even worse endgame?

>>364855346
I fucking love Diablo 2 but this revisionist history of having awesome diverse builds is stupid. Ya you had a few gimmick builds but only a handful were worth a damn

>>364837705
median xl

Diablo 2 was easily the best because the PVP was fun

>>364839037
>He funded an Xbone game

>>364867303
They're removing the middle difficulty

>>364839037
it takes too long to get to the fun part on each character in poe

playing a mage in Divine Divinity is the best

>tfw resurrecting dead bosses and forcing them to fight at your side
>tfw the orc boss summons an army of lesser orcs to fight for you

most fun shit in a video game ever. I feel bad for people who actually played a warrior/thief in that game

>>364858683
>pcuck

>>364855190
Diablo 2 sucks

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>>364871056
Summoner is a way of life my fellow anon of african-american descent.
There hasn't been an ARPG where I haven't played or forced a summoner playstyle, and it all started with good old Fishymancer in D2.

>>364839037
>i dont have friends and people who have friends are bad

Never played Dungeon Siege. Start with 1 or go to 2?

>>364839037
My only problem with torchlight 2 is how fucking pointless the character building is. What you can put skill points in is determined solely by level, you don't have to spec. It's almost as bad as diablo 3

>>364855329
so does Dragon's Dogma with bitterblack isle
although admittedly there's not much in the way of progression there