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Let's have a good old fashioned DeS appreciation thread. I recently came into possession of this, which prompted me to blow the dust off the PS3 and start playing. I missed my chance originally because of how scarce it seemed to be once the souls series blew up. After playing every other entry in the series, I have to say that as in playing this, the sense of exploration and atmosphere is better than the other games subsequent. I would say that it's almost more atmospheric than BB, by a small margin. The darkness effects in this game are what I feel DaS2 originally wanted but could not recreate. The sense of dread is so refreshing. I'm quickly starting to love this game, like the first time I actually got gud at DaS.
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Badump
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Reminder that world tendency shenanigans were the best and dark souls can't possibly compete.
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Fuck I wanna play this again. Brouht back the case from my parents house but the wrong game was in it... always check, friends.
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Can these be downloaded for ps4?

Are they backwards compatible?
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>>324293869
I feel like a mechanic like world tendancy could have greatly improved bloodborne to make it more replayable. I don't know if I just got used to souls combat or what, but bloodborne was by far the easiest in the series. I remember when it came out people were having so much trouble with cleric beast, and I beat it first try. Something about it just felt inherently easier.
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I have this sitting around on my shelf? Is it even worth playing though? everytime I start it I get turned off by the lack of a soundtrack when exploring. Sell me on playing this game and how should I play it to have the most fun?
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>>324294221
Unfortunately not. It doesn't even show up on the catalog
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I just finished Dark Souls for the first time today. Demon's Souls has a much better ending and overall is a better story.

I also somewhat prefer the goal oriented nature of the original having distinct levels than the spaghetti of Dark Souls. Just makes the game feel more purposeful, if a lot more gamey.

Dark Souls might as well have a "Congratulations" screen before the credits for the ending I got, which is the canon ending.
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>>324294315
It's what DaS and specifically DaS2 should have been more like, if that makes sense.
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So we're trying to get a little /v/ DeS group over the PSN, I feel kinda bad because I haven't been playing my PS3 a lot recently because of work and stuff
If I myself can't play, I'll at least help coordinate it, and maybe join you on the weekends
But if you're interested, send me a PM wrsng
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>>324294512
I've actually never played either. This is the only souls game I own. I'm planning on buying prepare to die edition when it goes on sale next.
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>>324294785
I'm based in the UK btw, and I have a US copy (US supposedly had more PVP according to /dsg/)
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>>324291930
I agree with you OP, DeS has a something that I couldn't find anywhere else, even in BB. The despair and the impression of progression through a devastated world, from different perspectives was so good.
The characters were awesome too, I hope DaS 3 will feel more like it. Miyazaki can always try
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>>324294785
Im interested in this. will send you a request when I get home from work.
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>>324295623
No problem. I hope the other guys who I contacted aren't too pissed that I was offline for a while. I'm going to try creating a /v/ chat so we can coordinate.
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>>324291930
>tfw feel like buying a cheap PS3 for demons souls
>or a gaming PC for dragons dogma since I feel like replaying it

decisions decisions.
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>>324295769
Dragons Dogma came out for PS3 too you know
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>>324296114
I played it for 140 hours on xbox though, dont really care for the PS3 version
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>>324295769
Both of those games are on ps3. the answer is obvious.
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trigger warning
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Dragon Bone Smasher best
Estoc 2nd best
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Whats the best way to start out this game? what weapons and class should I use?
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>>324296302
In that case I'd still recommend giving Demons Souls a go.
Its tragically unappreciated since most people started playing at Dark Souls.
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>>324297974
I went from 0 to 600k souls grinding that on Black Katana skellington in 4-2, only killing him and occasionally the reaper by the altar. This was with a full luck build with Large Sword of Searching

I paid it forward by duping it and giving it to people on the old Demon's souls wiki forums
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>>324291930
TLDR

>>324293869
I like world and soul tendencies. Dark Souls 1 is still good.

>>324297974
I got that by farming and it didn't even take 10 minutes. Same with pure greystone.
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>>324298269
fuck dude, if I had my ps3 now i'd force you to give me it
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>>324291930

There were so many issues that did get ioroned out with Dark Souls, and I first played DaS1 and then DaS2 before finally playing DeS, but I just really like the world design of Demon's Souls. I feel the areas have more personality by being distinct from each other and also how the armour seems more of a choice without poise and mid-rolling. Either you make your character able to take hits or able to dodge them.
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>>324297974

One thing DaS definitely improved, all the upgrade shit had at least one guaranteed way to get the rare materials.
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>>324297974
I'm new to the game. What is this exactly?
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>>324294785
Friend req sent.
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>>324299194

Pure bladestone. It's reaquired to make a Sharp +5 (max dex scaling) weapon and is a bitch to get because you can only get it from a very rare drop.
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>>324293869
i liked world tendency stuff, but i do agree that it needed to be better explained or tweaked a bit.
at least not let online mess with it.
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>>324299194
an infamously rare upgrade stone
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Let's talk about how balanced Mirdan's hammer was
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I love DeSu!
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>>324298107
Whatever you feel like. Nobleman or however it was called is the easiest. Templar is pretty fun.
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I like playing it a lot. I can't play it too frequently or I start catching onto it's bullshit. I do look forward to those annual playthroughs, though.

LSoM is the best weapon. Knight's Sword and katanas in general are for losers.

This game would be way better if it had more armor. I still don't forgive them for making Dull Gold and Binding female only.

The best level is 5-2 and the worst level is 2-2.

The best boss is probably Astraea maybe FK Allant and the worst boss is Maneaters.
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>>324297974
Don't remind me.
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>>324297974
hate
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>>324299848
>Maneaters
>worse than Adjudicator
>worse than Leechmonger
>worse than Dirty Colossus
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>>324299848
I wish pvp was more active. Whenever I'm monking with LSoM the player gets merked. You take away their blocking and they all lose their shit.
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>>324294236

Probably learnt how to be aggressive and tactical, my first run through of DaS2 I had pretty easy time with more bosses than I expected, and every such time I wasn't hiding behind my shield shitting my pants like I was for too much of DS1 and DeS. Though I haven't played BB sadly.
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>>324298107
forget builds and just do whatever feels right.
you can worry about minmaxing on a second playthrough
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>4-2 on a pure melee build

Sole reason I stopped playing
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>>324298269
Can you gift me one plz, anon?
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>>324300287
Other than Leech's sudden animation bursts, none of those guys can instakill you with wonky hitbox charges that send you off the platform.
I mean I guess Adju can but who falls down that shit c'mon man c'mon
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>>324300490

Just wear the thief's ring and they barely bother you at all
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>>324299848
>>324300287

Maneaters was great, I'd put them above 1-1,2-1 and Dirty Colossus by a fair bit, in terms of enjoyability.
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>hear for years that Flame Lurker is the hardest of cores
>get to him
>block, hit him once, repeat
>dead

are you people for real?
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>>324300490
same. And it looks like you missed the thief ring too.
Highest death rate there. I pushed on though.
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>>324300512
I rank something that puts up a very good fight and is satisfying to beat above those lame bosses.

At least Adjudicator looks funny.
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>>324300760

I didn't have much trouble with him either, but I guess different bosses cause different people problems?
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>>324300758
I love their nerve-racking theme. Hated the glitches though.
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Does DeS have the most brutal NG+ in the series?
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Was playing last night in 2-1. Backstabbing and robbing the miners holding the bags of sharp stones should not be this much fun holy shit.
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>>324300498
Maybe? Not immediately at this moment, but it's possible. It's been a long ass time since I've actually launched the game.

What SL are you?
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>>324300958
I remember my first time with him. Using bastard sword and purpleflame shield. Even with this shield he gave me a hard time, his constant attacks when going berserk made me cower behind it the whole time, like I coud attack maybe every two minutes.

But he's a complete joke with magic.
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>>324301191
probably, but it's manageable
god help you if you are on black tendency though
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>>324291930
PS4 REMASTER WHEN!??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn7dW6xCMXY
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>>324300760
Flamelurker can be tough because his AI is just really fucking aggressive a lot of the time, but he's an absolute chump if you take advantage of either his negative resistance to magic or his incredibly horrible pathing
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>>324301409
17. I litterally started playing for the first time late Friday night
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>>324293869
I hate that things. Getting primeval demons is a pain in the a anus.
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When I played last fall there were actually some people still playing. Had soem fun co-op and even got summoned for Old Monk fight. I rekt him, he send me hate mail, felt kinda bad for it
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>>324301191
BB
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>>324301789
Yeah you're well out of SL range for my characters, barring one. But I don't think I had the sense to down-trade stuff to him at the time. SL 120 was the median level for most PVP and shit. Don't think I can do anything for you.
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>>324300958
>>324301641
but he was a complete fucking joke, and I was playing melee and blocking his hits, not abusing any poor pathing or anything

>>324301590
my logic is this:
>Dark Souls 1 was made with 30fps animations
>if you unlock it you get issues (completely ignorable of course, we know it by this point), so it looks 'broken' or 'buggy' if you present this to consumers, which is why it was 30locked on PC
>DaS2 was released with 30fps on consoles, no 30 lock on PC
>later on we get PS4/Xbone remasters and PC gets SOFTS too
>now DaS3 is announced with a 30 fps lock even on PC

these are the facts, now my speculation:
>DaS2 was made with the remaster/SOFTS in mind, so no 30 fps animations, no 30 fps lock on PC
>DaS3 is being made with 30fps animations like DaS1 was because PS4/Xbone would never fucking ever be able to handle 60 fps
>console parity dictates they can't have the PC version running at 60 or it'll make consoles look bad, SPECIALLY after they released SOFTS on PS4/Xbone at 60 fps

now I'll be really stretching here:
>they make these games 30fps animation-based because it's easier for the japs
>DeS and Bloodborne are 30fps animation-based
>we'll never ever get these games running at 60 fps
>at best remasters will remove that fucking shitty blur and increase the resolution

m-maybe emulation will fix it!
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I played Dark Souls for like 80 hours when it first came out without having played this one, and gave up on it about 75% of the way in because it was too boring. This shit on the other hand, is pretty much perfect. I started playing it 2 months ago after giving up on it after Phalanx when I bought it in 2013.People might think it's stupid but I really like the hub world, I like that there are levels instead of an open world.

Other than that, this game is either easy as fuck, or I picked up more skills than I realized playing Dark Souls.
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>>324301191
sauce?
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FLAME
FUCKER
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If I'm a filthy causal should I play des or ds1? I played ds2 and enjoyed it, but couldn't beat any of the masters without help from at least 2 online players.

Pls no bully
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>>324302593
Oh, I dunno, then.

Most of the bosses aren't super hard, admittedly. Besides Allant and the Burger King, mostly because he's a cheating fuck who ignores hitstun
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>>324302873
You can handle Demon's. The healing system makes it pretty managable if you're slow.
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>>324300760
It gets harder in ng+ , first run everything is fun and frolic. Maneater gets pretty mean in ng+ to the point to believe it's was impossible for me. But with patience and good timing it's possible.
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>>324302873
Demon's is probably better because it's much more straightforward, the bosses are easy as shit, and muh magic
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>>324302873
I think there are some levels in DeS that are outright bullshit, more than DaS1.
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>tfw i stopped because I can't beat the flamelurker

Fuck that was like 2 years ago, any tips. Got the Black Phantom edition and the guide doesn't tell me shit.
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When I first heard about the hub system I was very opposed to playing it because I was spoiled by DaS's interconnected world. After playing DaS2 and bloodborne (especially bloodborne) the hub system didn't piss me off anymore. Imo the hub system from BB is pretty much the same as it is in DeS, which is comfy. I love this game. I'm glad that I didn't play it already because at this point I've beaten BB and I was bored of it, wanting another souls game. April is so far away. I'm thankful for DeS
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>>324303264

Wear the ring of flame protection and get a shield with decent fire defence. Most of his attacks can be rolled though even fatrolling if you get the timing right.
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>>324303082
>play DeS
>by the end of it I'm fed up with the game and I don't want to play NG+
>get back to it after a long while
>I want to make a new character
>by the end of it I'm fed up again

I'm cursed

>>324303264
>Fuck that was like 2 years ago, any tips.
block his hits
hit him once
repeat
careful not to go 0 stamina
have the adjudicator shield, if he hits you wait till you regen health before going aggressive
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>>324303264
Git gud.

Seriously, he is weak to ranged attacks and especially magic. If not, get as much fire resistance as possbile and wear the thief ring. You can hide behind the pillars and he will forget about you. Those pillars are also really great for abusing his bad path finding.
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>>324303264
I killed him on my first try when I was mainly using a bow.
He's easy as fuck if you have a ranged weapon.
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FUCK YOU
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>>324293869
Its a nice concept, but the execution was ass. I still want to see it again well implemented someday.
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>>324302593
If anything, we can have mod fixes, as long as namco doesnt lose their shit and ban them like they did with das2
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>DeS wasnt designed to be the hardest game ever
>it was difficult but fair
>Became well known for it
>Scamco commisions DaS with the intention of marketing it as the hardest game ever "PREPARE TO DIE XDDD"
>People who only ever played DaS shit on DeS cause its not as hard as they would like
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>>324303264
The easiest way as was stated by some people, magic, it's the easier. You roll and shot that wand like faggot.
If that's too easy, equip the purple shield from 1-1 and your weapon of choice. That doesn't make you invincible but limits the fire damage but the hits drains a lot of stamina, it's easier to roll and two hand.
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>>324303965
HO HOHO HO HO
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>>324302873

Demon's has many ways to make the game easier for you. I was a Scrub and played through most of it with the regen ring AND a blessed weapon, for quite a bit of heal over time, so that as long as you're pretty careful with how many hits you take at once, you can survive alot of shit.
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>>324294000
Only plebs/casuals put discs back in the wrong case.
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>>324303445
>>324303497
>>324303609
>>324303812

I'm using a Str build so range isn't really an option. I have the fire shield, but I can't get the timing just right to roll through his attacks. The rolling feels odd compared to DS1/2.
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>>324304051
Accurate.
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>>324303965
I'm playing through Demon Souls for the first time and feel like I've been playing like a faggot. In Dark Souls I bulked up on armour and never made an attempt to dodge attacks, even during boss fights, I'd just hold up my shield and swing my weapon when I had the chance. I did it throughout the whole game.

So far I've done 1-1, 1-2, 2-1 and 3-1 of Demon Souls, using the same tactic. During boss fights I've been relying on magic attacks. For your pic I hid behind a wall where he couldn't reach and kept shooting him with my magic attacks until he died.

Am I ruining the game for myself or should I consider experimenting with a different play style? The patrician choice from what I've seen seems to be ditch the armour, go for rolling and dodging. From what I understand there are no shields / armour in Bloodborne, so I'll be forced to do that anyway when I get to it.
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>>324304051
>People who only ever played DaS shit on DeS cause its not as hard as they would like
What? DeS is by far the hardest game in the series, this has been agreed upon since forever. Usually when people go from DaS to DeS they complain it is too difficult, not too easy.
Is this a new meme?
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>>324302873
you can use a lot of stuff to make the game easier on you like
>>324304142
mentioned, plus you can farm a fuckton of healing items and completely cheese the game

I wouldn't call using the right gear/etc cheesing because what else is the fucking point of fire resist gear for example, if not to be used against fire enemies?


having a fuckton of grass to heal yourself quickly and easily though really takes away from the game in my opinion

>>324304287
just block them, stop rolling
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>>324304051
Neither games are really hard though.
The only time its hard is maybe on your very first playthrough when you're still getting used to the movement and don't know how to upgrade weapons.
Once you figure that out then at most maybe some of the optional bosses will push your shit in, but nobody should have trouble beating the game. You can even summon people to beat the boss for you.
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>>324304287

Well, spend your souls and through your bodiless soul against the grindstone till you GIT GUD, focusing on learning to roll through his shit. Frustrating, but it's the manly way anon.
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I know the PS4 has a lot of remasters, but anyone hoping for a DeS remaster? I never got a chance to play it, even though I had a PS3. I played DaSI and II on Pee-Cee, so would love to experience DeS at 60 FPS as well. Was so awkward going from DaSII to BB from a solid 60 to less than 30 FPS at times
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>>324304345
Bloodborne's backstep/sidestep mechanic and overall player speed makes not having actual armor not really that bad. Oh and then there's the old hunters bone which makes you fucking nightcrawler litterally. By time I was midway through the game I was a fucking phantom speed wise. You start to play that game like you've got ice skates one.
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>>324304545

Souls games are more about knowledge of your opponents and your own moveset really, it's hard at first when you don't know shit, but becomes easy as fuck when everything is memorised.

Now, good reaction times and a tactical mind will make it smoother sure, but to some these games start hard and remain hard, to others their pretty straightforward.

I'd call them hard games from my perspective, but more 7/10? than extremely difficult.
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>>324303497
I've noticed that most of the gun comes from how broken some thing were. Motion blade, rat ring , blessed weapons, those babies in the bottom of the valley of defilement, those black skeletons, the regular Skeltons, the dam damn spear that broke your gear, some black phantoms, the game got pretty annoying when it counted.
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>>324304809
Apparently licensing is keeping them from rereleasing it.

Some shit like Atlus published it in the U.S. and Bamco in the EU/Aus making it a pain.
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>>324304436
that picture should not be giving the this boner, dammit.
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>>324305496
*me this.

Also, best armor was never available in DeS. Thats just bullshit yo.
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>>324305496
>using the halberd one-handed
Biggest mistake of my first playthrough.
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>>324305676
>people getting emotional on Gwyn because of the music
>people getting emotional on Artorias

are you people for real? how can you people feel so attached/care about them so much if that's the first time you even meet them

>b-but I read some item descriptions

this is just ridiculous
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>>324305895
didn't mean to quote that post, woops

but I'll use the cue to mention how Bjorr helps you in that fight if you save him, that's a character that you have previously made a connection with
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>>324305787

Two handed Halberd in DS2 is godly
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>>324305895
I never felt bad for any boss. The only boss I felt somewhat touched by was Priscilla literally because of the doll description and when she let me leave. I always feel bad when I summon people because you just gotta give your summon bros a boss fight which means she gonna die.
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>>324306127
Priscilla is cute! CUTE!
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Demon's Souls is great. Too bad my ps3 is nearly busted. It sounds like a microwave when I turn it on and the whole top of it is missing and I have to dust it weekly because of it.
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>>324306005
Not going to lie, I got really excited when I walked into that boss fight and just saw him jump out of nowhere and help me own Penetrator.
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>>324306127
>I never felt bad for any boss
Did you play DeS?
>mfw Maiden Astraea
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>>324304345

Sound's pretty weaksauce.
In DeS I played mostly as a quality build, medium - light armour, decent shield, and a variety of weapons. Think I enjoy myself the most when I'm mixing up being a Doge Master and Shield Bearer. Never really done a proper magic playthrough in a souls game for some reason.
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>>324301191
Probably. Black Phantom Selen Vinland and Lord Rydyell have weapons that permanently pierce through shields and armor. Flat out 30 percent damage received when hit, and Selen Vinland is in the Valley of Defilement swamp where you are immobilized, while Lord Rydyell is in a corridor, and he uses a spear. That's brutal. A spear that penetrates shields and he's also on a hallway map.

Black phantom Scirvir is easy compared to these two, because he can fall off a cliff and you can cast DeSu's unique silence miracle, which stops all magic from being cast in an AoE.
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>>324306547
Oh yeah, I played DeS. The Maiden she knew one day that the slayer of demon's would arrive one day and shouldn't have taken upon herself to accept the demon's soul. Her cause was noble but she still should of waited.....eternity after eternity.
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I still don't have pure bladestone after all these years, i've killed the black phantom skelly and hidden path skelly more than 10,000 times

I just have the absolute worst luck imaginable, fml
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>>324306303
I'd be playing Demon's Souls right now if not for this, turning on my PS3 is like turning on a fucking vacuum.
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I got a used copy of this a couple of weeks ago and now that I've seen this thread I guess now is a good time to try out Souls.

What should I know?
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>>324306547
they chose their path, no one stands in my way and lives to tell the tale

that's why I spared Priscilla, she didn't stand in my way

I roleplay, sorry ;=;
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Old King Dorans set is god-tier btw
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>>324307275
Nothing, really. It's probably the most straight-forward out of all the Souls games.
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>>324307275
Check up on World Tendencies and Player Tendencies. Killing npcs makes certain events happen, killing bosses and being summoned + beating bosses makes other events happen.
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>>324307381
Post yfw you realize Garl Vinlands helm is shaped like a clitoris
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>>324307070
I found the drop rates for the black phantom skelly in area 4-2 quite low. The one behind the fake wall.

Step 1, go offline.
2, Suicide a few times by jumping off the cliff. After about 5 or so deaths, go back to the Nexus to update the area world tendency. If its black, go back in.
Suicide some more if more black skellies don't appear.
When in pure black, go to the old hero archstone, backtrack to the open cliff area to find two black skellies.
Farm from these.
Recommended in NG+ after dark ending, so you have soul suck which insta-kills if you backstab without getting seen.

Only problem is that enemies in NG+ are tough as nails.

Also, you can glitch out Saint Urbain and the red phantom under Patches' trap to farm unlimited Shards of Archstone, which turns you back to human if you are in spirit.

There's a whole system going on there, to help you find your pure bladestone.

Alternatively, find a friend online and ask for one. With the item dupe glitch, someone must have it already. This method is pretty dirty though, but it saves time.
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>>324308348
Yeah I've been doing all this except for the shards of archstone/friend dropping since 2009

Fucking game just hates me mang, it's the only game I don't have a platinum for and the one I have the most hours in simultaneously heh
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>>324308838
When I found mine, I did it the long and hard way. There are also items that boost your item discovery like the "large sword of searching", another item from the same map, dropped by the old hero boss.

So I had all these trinkets equipped while I manipulated the game world as much as I could to get mine.

In the past, some boards said that having too much luck reduced your chances of drops, but for me I pumped my luck to 30, and wielded the Blueblood sword (scales with luck, amazing!) in preparation to that hunt.

I think my way was excessive, but I have seen streams where anons with 8 luck have had pure bladestones drop for them in NG. Amazing. Guess its really just luck.
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>>324304345
Are you me? I literally picked this back up to play again and hopefully finish this time and just completed the same levels and I feel like I'm missing something too I'd like to do Co op but it seems dead my Sl is 29
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