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>yfw you realize your character isn't a hunter at all

>yfw he's just a foreigner who was at the wrong place at the wrong time

>yfw your character gets mistaken for a hunter by everyone

>yfw the entire game is a series of unfortunate events experienced by your character
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>>324251894
He became a hunter the moment he got his blood ministrated.
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>unfortunate events
>ending the night as a literal God married to a vampire Queen

Doesn't sound to unfortunate
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>>324251894

>implying they weren't the ones experiencing the unfortunate event.
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>>324252071
OP here, I'm just a pcuck whose only seen a few BB videos, I don't know what that means.
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>>324252071
This
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>>324252117
>married to a vampire queen
You mean to a doll princess.
Annalise rejected your ass.
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>>324251894
>Isn't a hunter at all
>Dies
>Goes to the Hunter's Dream
Explain this OP.
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>>324252162
Then why are you making assumptions about games you've never played? Go pirate some eroge, faggot.
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>>324252227
>Rejected your ass
Only because she care about you so much that she doesn't want you to suffer the same fate as she is.
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>>324252234
he signed the fucking contract
now he's an official hunter
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>>324252234

Remember the part with the little guys swarming you at the start? Thats when you were recruited.
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>>324252304
>>324252345
You misunderstand. How could he go to the Hunter's Dream if he wasn't a Hunter like the OP is saying?
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>>324252304
but i don't wanna be a hunter!
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>>324252405
See
>>324252071
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>>324252405

But I did. You go to the Hunter's Dream because the Moon Presence sends the little guys to recruit you. That is before you die.
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>>324251894
The qualifications for being a hunter are nothing. Its a self proclaimed title, volunteer civilians easily become hunters.
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>>324252643

Oh shit nigger busted
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>>324252297
No, just because she doesn't give a shit about you
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Which one is it?
http://strawpoll.me/6564627
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>>324252643
How can you do that?
Are you outing yourself?
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>>324252405
but he is a hunter you moron.
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Wasn't it confirmed that the note about pale blood was written by you? Also, with the invite it seems you are there for the vilebloods before everything goes to shit for you
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>>324252936
>But he is a hunter you moron
That's the fucking point. The only way he could go to the Hunter's Dream was if he were a Hunter which OP is stating that he isn't.
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>>324251894
>just a foreigner who was at the wrong place at the wrong time
Actually a foreigner who went to the most medically advanced city in the known lore. You probably knew it was crawling with shit.
What the fuck were those swamp and sewer fags?
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>>324252974
But what the hell is paleblood?
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>>324252842

Kos is for her bros.

Kosm is if youre some worthless nobody.
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>>324251894
>"Do they look like monsters to you?"

What did he mean by this?
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>>324252842
>Orphan of Kos
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>>324251894
Forgot image

>"Do they look like monsters to you?"

What did he mean by this?
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>>324253061
>"I must go... to Silent Hill"

Really?
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>Cainhurst Summons found on the place where he wakes up
He was a faggot coming to Yharnam to find the Queen and become a heretic.
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>>324252264
Where do you think we are?
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>>324253048
supposedly its the moon presence but that thing is so fucking forced into the game at the end. Why does it want you to kill other great ones? What is even its plan? BB starts off good but gets pretty shitty at the end.
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>>324252162
NEVER
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>>324253329
Where does it say Moon Presence wants to kill other great ones?
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>>324252234
And everyone in the Elder scrolls is a Godhead yes?
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Honestly I think your characters motivations are whatever you want them to be. That is why you start as a blank slate, you can decide on what your goals are yourself.
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>>324252297
Nigga you feed her other dudes' blood sperm
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>>324253396
muh theories
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>>324253363
EVER
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The Doll is some form of a horrucrux/effigy right?
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>>324253427
Right, this is noticeable right before fighting Rom.
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>>324253396
No where really but except for it powering the hunters dream that allows you to go and kill them all. You get push along the hunt to mergos area. Once you finish the wet nurse your hunt is complete.
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>>324252996
>324252996
What?

Why make your post? You responded to 2 people say OP was wrong.
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Someone been reading the unchosen one page at tv tropes again.
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>>324253329

>Cosmic Horror
>The Great Ones having motives

You niggers need to read once in a while, thats not how the genre works. Part of Cosmic Horror is that you dont fully understand everything. Its like having a nightmare that ends up killing you or worse.
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>>324253648
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>>324253818
>It is good writing because it does not make sense
>They are just too deep for you to understand
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I think the story of the game is meant to be kind of meta in that people are driven crazy trying to figure out what shit means and they're full of questions even long after playing. Gehrman even says "don't think about all this too much, just go out and kill some beasts" and when Maria tries to stop you from going to the fishing hamlet she might as well be saying "pls no more lore videos"
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Why dont I have the trophy for having all hunter weapons?
I found all weapons and guns including beast claws, wooden shield and torches but still no trophy.
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>>324253145
>"we are made men by the blood, undone by the blood, we are...Bloodborne The Old hunters Edition"

Come on From, you're better than that
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>>324253396
The Moon Presence instantly goes to kill you as soon as you consume the cords to become the infant great one.
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>>324253140
His insight is -1. He can't even see their outlines.
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>>324253887
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>>324253923

>story about the fear of the unknown is bad writing.

It makes perfect sense, youre given bits and pieces but not everything is made known because it isnt really relevant. Zoom out in Space Engine and feel how small you are. Thats the structure in a nutshell.
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>>324253980
I heard DLC glitched the game to not give the trophy. Idk if this was patched yet but there was some fix like buying a weapon from the shop will pop the trophy. Honestly you are a fag for not having it done like 6 months ago
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>>324253923
Not him, but that's a huge element of eldritch horror. I guess it can be seen as kind of a narrative shortcut, but verbal exposition or ancient tablets or whatever would've stunk. Humans don't get to know what's up, and the game spent a long time establishing that.
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>>324253818
They do have motives that are easily explainable. Most of the Great Ones want children and use humans as surrogates for their parental feelings. This fucks up humans so Moon Presence wants the other Great Ones dead to not fuck up humanity.
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>all these retarded as fuck theories
Jesus. And I thought the /vg/ was stupid.

Anyway, what weapons do you faggots like the most?
I was prone to the Pizza Cutter when the DLC first released, but honestly, it's a pretty boring weapon. It's overpowered as fuck in PVE, but boring.

Lately I've been using Amy Arm and Based Cutter. Both are great fun.
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>>324253980
Sometimes the game doesn't count the initial hunter weapon you get so go and buy the one you choose and see if you get it.
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>>324254067
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>>324254207

True, but in terms of a plan or end goal its not really made clear.
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>>324253980
Di you get the canon under the church under the elevator that takes you to research hall?
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>>324253648
HERE IS THE MONEY THAT I OWE YOU
YES SO YOU CAN PAY THE BILLS
I WILL GIVE YOU MORE WHEN I GET PAID AGAIN
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>>324253184

In a plce that need to change his ways...you could be the vanguard of new era on /v/ but instead choose to be another sheep...for shame OP...for shame
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>>324254350
Pretty sure he is talking about the base game trophy so he does not need the old hunter stuff to get it.
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>>324254213
RaiterpallachshfFafass however you spell it
Rapiers for life
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>>324253980
Do you have the burial blade?
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>>324253980
Some people forget about the badge in the upper cathedral ward. Pretty sure you need it to buy rosmarius.
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>>324254464
I think you mean Cowboys for life.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zibdXtzYRfw
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>>324254207
Moon Presence doesn't have an active motive. He's perfectly happy with his surrogate.

The only reason you kill him is because he is the entire reason the hunt (the dream) and the beast plague (red moon) persist. Paleblood refers to the sky that looks like "a body drained of blood" during the red moon, which is also noted in the Laurence note. By killing MP, you stop the endless cycle of beasts and hunters. That's what it meant by "transcend the hunt", you don't just stop one night of the hunt, but stop the cycle. However, the only way you can feasibly kill him and not get possessed was to become a great one, which is why you needed the cords.
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>>324252071
He's never officially trained

That's why he can't used the art of quickening for example without the old hunter bone
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>>324254648
Yeah I went to ng+ just for it and expected to get the trophy after I bought it but nothing.
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>>324254294
she doesn't even become a beast
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>>324251894
If he wasn't a hunter then why did he go around fighting things?
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>>324255503
She gets preggo with alium bebe
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>>324255382
List all the weapons you have.
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Has anyone taken out the games character models? I was wondering if they have an unmasked version of Eileen and Annalise somewhere.
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>>324255320
Not all hunters know the old techniques. Hell, the bloodied cainhurst crow has to use the item to quickstep.
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>>324255603
All of them
I triple checked using the wiki.
I already got the trophy for having all the dlc weapons.
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>>324255578
>tfw you will never have a cute doctor desperately need to be impregnated with your ayylmao baby
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>>324251894
Rank your favorite bosses by

>Design:
Ludwig, followed by moon prescence

>Actuall fight:
Maria>Orphan=Ludwig>Logarius

>Atmosphere: Micolash
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>>324253576
No, the doll is a cute.
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>>324255847
>Design
Moon Presence = Wet Nurse
>fight
Maria
>Atmosphere
Gherman
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>>324252128
>so there's this random guy, right
>the church gives blood ministration
>and the moment they give him a weapn he just goes and kills fucking everything in like 10 hours
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>you will never make Doll wear Maria's outfit to prank Gehrman

fuck my life desu senpai
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>>324252553
>Its a self proclaimed title, volunteer civilians easily become hunters.
I think you missed the point somewhere. Those volunteer civilians aren't real hunters, as they aren't connected to the Hunter's Dream. Hell, all the Hunters you meet in the base game are not connected to the Hunter's Dream anymore.
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>>324255578
you're confirming what I said.
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>>324252974
>confirmed
Nothing is confirmed. Not even with Vaati the video stealer says it :^)
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>>324251894
>yfw the entire game is a series of unfortunate events experienced by your character
Only someone that is a hunter can enter the hunters dream. So the hero possessed some hunter-like character traits before the ministration.
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>>324253140
He was a faggot who thought beasts retained any humanity at all, even though he should know better.

>Inb4 father gascoine
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>>324256170
So did hunter you meet go have Doll and Gherman adventures?
Even the Yaharghul hunters dissapear like the rest
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>>324256414
not likely, no
>>324256423
HEY DON'T DRAW MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER WITHOUT ASKING ME FIRST!!!!
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>>324256423
Is there any reason to use the Blades of Mercy over Rakuyo?
Rakuyo just feels so much superior in every way. Just like Kirk Hammer over Whirligig
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>>324252162
It's the intro video

OH YES, PALEBLOOD. WELL YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE. YHARNAM IS THE HOME OF BLOOD MINISTRATION.
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Dumb, unsubstantiated fan theories:
-Blood vials are menstrual blood
-"Paleblood" refers to anemic blood and anemics are immune to the beast plague for some reason
-Paleblood is kin blood because it's white colored
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>>324256643
The doll has paleblood too. Go hit her and see.
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>>324256716
DON'T

just watch a video of it or something, but don't hit her.
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>>324256720
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>>324256815
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>>324256796
I've only done it once and that was on accident. I put down my controller and R2 got pressed. She screamed but didn't die. I felt bad
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>>324255684
All the old hunters know the technique though. Compared to them, the player character is just a shitter who uses replicas of legendary weapons and mimics the fighting styles without drawing out the full potential.

But somehow this shitter was smart enough to transcend humanity and become a great one
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>>324256414
You know Eileen references the doll, so it's likely.
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>>324257024
Did you make it up to her by offering her the hairpin?
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>>324257139
When?
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>>324256643
My favorite is that the MC has an affliction known as paleblood and is in Yharnam to cure it. Literally what?
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>>324256643
>Blood vials are menstrual blood
God, I hate that shit and I hate slowtaku for spreading it
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>>324257038
>smart enough
HE JUST GULPED DOWN EVERYTHING HE COULD LAY HIS HANDS ON!

THAT'S ALL HE DID!

now he's a squib
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Your friend who knows nothing about Bloodborne asks you about what the story of the game is. How do you respond?
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>>324256542
>Kirk Shitter
>better than Pizza Cutter
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>>324257150
[Spoiler]yes[/spoiler]
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>>324257380
Tell them it's like a fucked-up take on Christian mythology.
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>>324257212
When you complete her quest and exhaust all her dialogue. I don't remember specifically but it's not like you can't just look it up on youtube y'know?
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>>324257408
Good hunter.
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The whole thing is a hallucination from a fever dream or some shit anyways who gives a fuck.
Speculation over Souls games' story is fucking stupid because it's all just mismatched, disjointed nonsense.
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>>324257485
Pretty sure she never ever mentions the doll and you are just talking out of your ass.

http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Eileen+the+Crow
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>>324257320
>for who knows how long, humans have tried to become great old ones
>they tried it with blood
>they tried it with lining the inside of their heads with eyes
>they tried to force everybody into a dream
>they tried turning people into aliens

>but they never tried eating umbilical cords
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>>324257394
I meant the DLC released two weapons completely superior to their closest vanilla counterparts.
The pizza cutter is so much better than the hammer. The Rakuyo is just a better blades of mercy
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GUYS

HEY GUYS

WHAT IF

GUYS WHAT IF

WHAT IF THE MC ISN'T AN ACTUAL HUNTER, BUT HE'S JUST CALLED "HUNTER"?

I MEAN THAT'S A REAL NAME.

PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE ARE CALLED "HUNTER", LIKE THIS GUY HERE, HE'S CALLED HUNTER HUNT-HENDRIX (and he's a genius).
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>>324257728
>just like Kirk Hammer OVER Whirligig
Sure didn't sound like it, mate.
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>>324257038
It's made pretty obvious in the Hunters Nightmare that most hunters were far less about skill and mostly worked with sheer brutality. The likes of Gehrman and Maria are an exception, not the norm.
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Where do I get those fucking abbysal gems everyone's got?

I can't see shit in defiled, ihyll, isz whatever.
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>>324257813
I meant BoM over Rakuyo is like Hammer over pizza
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>>324257856
Was Maria ever referenced out of the nightmare?
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>>324257696
>but they never tried eating umbilical cords
Except that's exactly what they came up at Byrgenwerth and partly succeeded with Rom. It's just that they don't exactly grow on fucking trees.
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>>324257969
Nope
Was the biggest problem of the DLC. Unlike Artorias who you knew about before the DLC Maria felt shoe horned in
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>>324257038

The hunters were obviously flawed to begin with considering every single one you meet is either insane, a beast or suicidal. The only one that isn't is Eileen the Crow and that's because she's specifically a hunter dedicated to killing hunters.
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>>324257646
>Eileen the Crow goes insane
>when she kills you in the Grand Cathedral she says
"When you see that doll, tell it I said hello..."
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>>324258130
Oh shit then my dumb fan theory might actually hold water.
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>>324257969
>Nameless grave in the Hunter's Dream
>that is used to access the Hunter's Nightmare
>that the Doll frequently visits
>where you find the quickstep bone (which Maria seamlessly uses) in the Abandoned Workshop
No, it's not directly referenced, but come on.
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>>324257646
>the fucking fextralife wiki
Dude no. That wiki is notorious for having blatant misinformation or just lack of information since Dark Souls 1. Look, I'll find the specific dialogue for you and you need to stop using that shitty wiki.

https://youtu.be/Qp0LVxAsrE4?t=5m7s
"You still have dreams? Tell the little doll I said hello."
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>>324258210
>it
>not her
That proves the Doll loves you and you alone. You two have something special going on between you.
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I'm still waiting for the cocky protag from a Souls-like by From Games. Like no matter what happens, his life is awesome and not damaged in any way.
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>>324253156
kek
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>>324258210
>mis-remembered the quote

>>324258254
Thanks for that, I was looking for it
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>>324258246
Dude there's more than one dead acquaintance of Gehrman's in the nightmare
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>>324251894
>Character gets mistaken for someone or stumbles into some situation
>Is incredibly proficient at it
>So good in fact, that he scares enemies and allies alike
One of my favourite tropes in all of fiction.
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>>324257646
>mfw that wiki straight up lies to you and says that Eileen goes insane and attacks you in the grand cathedral
>but you believe it
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>>324258398
And he also gets the girl at the end
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>>324258501
>the girl
He gets best girl.
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>>324258285
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>>324257856
Where do you get that implication from?
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>>324258187
Well to be fair, you are meeting them on the night of the Hunt, a particularly bad Hunt at that.
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>Gehrman says we can fuck the Doll
>the Doll tells you she unconditionally loves you due to programming
>never get to tap that porcelain ass

What the fuck, FROM?
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>>324258624
DLC weapon and armor descriptions.
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>you will never throw a huge frat house party in the Hunter's dream with every other hunter in the game
>you will never see Crowsteel and Alfred become booze-buddies and play beer-pong together
>you will never hear Eileen tell everyone embarrassing stories about Gehrman
>you will never offer Doll one little glass of punch that immediately gets her tipsy because of how delicate she is
>you will never give her a night she will always remember
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>>324254207
>MP wants you to murder the other Great Ones
My favorite fucking meme.

You need to pay more attention. The MP doesn't give a FUCK about whether or not you kill the following Great Ones:
>amygdala
>celestial emissary
>ebrietas
>orphan of kos

Which means that it doesn't care about you assassinating 2/3 of the Great One roster.

The MP wants you to kill the Wetnurse, AND ONLY the Wetnurse. It's being beckoned by Mergo and the Wetnurse is preventing the MP from claiming it as a surrogate. All other deaths, and the entire hunt, and deemed acceptable collateral damage in pursuit of this goal
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>>324258386
How many of them can use the quickstep without applying a tool?
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>>324256716
it's not blood, she dodges the bullets and the white is dust hitting a wall behind her
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>>324258802
>implying she doesn't use you to pleasure herself in the best end
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>>324257038
the shitter also killed them all
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>>324258767
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>>324258802
Doll is for love, not for fuck

And the doll tells you she THINKS she's programmed to love you.
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>>324256643
>Menstrual blood
Ministration and Menstruate are two very different things anon.
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>>324258227
Spill the beans.
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>>324258906
This.
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>>324258819
>the first hunter is all about skill and technique
>one of his best students is all about skill and technique
>ludwig has a magical sword

I don't buy it. Just because the blood drunk Hunters in the nightmare used brutal weapons doesn't mean all the old hunters were just fuck mclargehuge beast crushers.
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>>324258950
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>>324258892
Other dudes have the bone.
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>>324258961

Bullshit. Gehrman specifically said we "could use the doll if it should please you". You can bet your ass Gehrman had some fun in the past with the Doll.
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>>324259073
The BONE is the BONE of an OLD HUNTER

that means that the Old Hunters innately knew the quickening technique, holy shit.
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>>324259015
The Clock Tower is the doll's nightmare
Maria never actually existed (at least not as the person we see)
She's just the doll's idea of what being a hunter is like, and her own fears and assumptions about Gehrman's life personified.
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>>324257728
does it do obscene damage or something? because the blades of mercy are faster and cover wider areas with a strong attack much better than a rakuyo does
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>>324258924
He just cleared out the trash, for the most part.

>>324256643
>ROM WAS A GOOD BOY JUST HOLDING THE NIGHTMARE BACK
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>>324259073
Yes they have the bone and they use it so they can temporarily quickstep, but Maria can do it whenever she wants, she doesn't need a tool.
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>>324259126

Which begs the question.

Did Gehrman bone Maria? I think it said in one of Maria's gear that she has high regard in terms of Gehrman.
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>>324259159
wow take a chill pill damn
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>>324254553
>>324254752
>>324255217
>>324255363
>>324255653

Gilbert was one of the only npcs in the game that I truly felt bad for
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>>324259256
Sounds stupid, but I'll give you some credit for having an original idea.
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>>324257986
>Rom ate a cord to ascend
Lol. Here, let me tell you how that really happened
>ahh, kos, or some say kosm... do you hear our prayers? As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes! Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy!
Rom prayed to Kos (or perhaps the Orphan), and was granted eyes as a gift. However, like all Great One gifts, the gift was poisoned, and Rom became a potato in the process
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>>324259387
Also it explains why she feels freed after you kill Maria.
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>>324259329

No idea. All I know is the Doll was made as a replica of Maria. Maybe Gehrman fucked the doll since he didn't have the balls to fuck what was basically his daughter. Gehrman's lines about how "even the doll" pretty much confirms either he or previous hunters have gotten freaky with the Doll.
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>>324259486
>all I know
all you assumed
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>>324259025
>the Plain Doll was a Great One the whole time
>the Plain Doll orchestrated this
>she had you kill innumerable foes, bosses, other great ones
>uses their echoes to make you stronger
>makes an observation about ancient echoes flowing through you
>that note that says all Great Ones yearn for a surrogate
>in the true ending she got what she wanted
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>>324259694
And so did you.
if it was planned it's the nicest possible plan.
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>>324259694
The artists draws good Frozen Yuri
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>>324259256
Fuck no. Maria's gear tells you that she objectively existed, she was one of Gehrmans students. The doll was made in her likeness and the MP did some eldritch bullshit that tied it to her when the MP animated the doll in the Dream
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>>324259694
>the Plain Doll was a Great One the whole time
More like the doll became a great one due to all the blood echoes she was given from Hunters since the beginning of the Hunts
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>>324259486
It could also be a hunter joke. When he says "Even the doll" she's just a doll but once you get some insight she comes to life and you can actually use her to level up. Only experienced hunters would know what was up with the doll so it could easily be something to mess with the new hunters.
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>>324259818
No, it tells you what she did with it, same as how Marvel wiki tells me what Spidey's gauntlets do and how he built them.
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>>324259320
The beasthunter Saif users in the Nightmare have permanent OHB just like Maria
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>>324259863

>blood echoes she was given from

Actually no. All those blood echoes were yours to consume not to trade. You just don't have the ability to do it like the doll. Just like in the previous games except DaS which is the bonfire instead of a waifu.
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>>324259694

Isn't the Doll also one of the very few NPC's in the entire game that has pure white blood (NOT clear)? Last I checked, only the Great Ones had pure white blood, while Kin and lesser beings had clear blood.
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>>324258718

That's true, but they're all heavily implied to have been fucked up well before that.

>The Old Hunters
Went insane and blood-addled a long time ago and were banished to the Hunter's Nightmare.

>The Healing Church Hunters
Murdered and kidnapped people so the Church could perform its experiments in peace. Also almost always turn into hideous beasts like Ludwig, Gascoigne, Amelia and Laurence.

>The Yahar'Gul Hunters
Were just thugs that kidnapped people for the School of Mensis and worshipped the Great Ones.

>The Powder Kegs
Implied to have gone blood-addled through their hatred of the beasts except for Djura, who goes batshit and starts killing humans to protect beasts instead.

>The Crows
Dying out as evidenced by Eileen's advanced age, with the only other Crow betraying them to become a Vileblood.

>Executioners
Absolutely insane and genocidal, evidenced by Alfred killing the Queen and committing suicide.

The only ones that aren't fucked up are the Workshop and that's only because Gehrman is using you.
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>>324259974
I'm talking about her clothes, not her sword, dingus, all of which make explicit reference to an IRL existence before the Nightmare
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>>324259320
As expected of a fantasy character.
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>>324260172
Which could just as easily be bullshit.
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>>324260225
Eileen the Troll
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>>324260260
absolutely
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>>324260167
Vilebloods aren't necessarily fucked up, nor is Simon.
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>>324260282
>to make my theory work I must assume that perspective-neutral, in-game facts are actually written to be wrong on purpose
"How about no"
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>>324260282
Why the fuck would it be bullshit? No other item description in the game is bullshit, so why would her clothes suddenly be the flavor text fucking with you?
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>>324260419
no
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>>324260260
So is he the head of Mensis?
And who the fuck is Damien of Mensis?
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>>324260371
>Vilebloods make their living hunting down and killing random hunters in cold blood for blood dregs
>not fucked up
Sure
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>>324253648
The old Losefka wasn't innocent either. There was no way fake Losefka could have done what you see in the clinic in the short time she took over.
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>>324260548
>random hunters
>you can only invade Hunters that are either literally asking for it or roaming around nightmares

Also the Confederates aren't crazy yet. Maybe.
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>>324260480
Whatever f@m just keep trying to convince people that Maria didn't actually exist when the game tells you in no uncertain terms that she did. You are perfectly free to make a fool of yourself all you want
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>>324260371

The Vilebloods technically aren't hunters because the people of Cainhurst didn't turn into beasts. They turned into vampires instead which is why the Executioners want them dead.

You're right about Simon though, I forgot all about him.
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>>324260694
>hunters trying to cooperate to do their job during the Hunt
>asking for some random asshole to murder them
Sure
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>>324260802
But there are beasts in Cainhurst, the Knight Set explicitly states this
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>Gascan is a foreigner
>Gascan is a hunter
Clearly there can never be any overlap between the two. Your character must have just been an average townsfolk with no combat training in their life who suddenly goes on to kill gods several hours later.
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>>324254091
Someone's watched SuperBunnyHop's video on Bloodborne
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>>324260843
What's more likely for someone roaming a nightmare

>they are fucking with forces beyond their comprehension and will cause all manner of fucked up shit

or

>they are just trying to put an end to the nightmare :^)

How nice of you to believe the "Annalise is evil" meme spouted by the Executioners.
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>mfw accidentally invading people when waiting to be summoned by my pal as a Hunter of Hunters
I would be having a blast if I didn't want to fucking play with my pal.
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>>324261054
The bell maidens are in the employ of the Mensis, by killing hunters in the Nightmare you are indirectly serving their interests and contributing to the towns destruction
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>>324260802
Cainhurst still suffered from beasts, it's just that the blood they imbibed was from Queen Yharnam and was teeming with vermin. It's possible that instead of lychanthropy, the vermin caused people to transform into bloodlickers (and the heavy usage allowed the women of Cainhurst to become "ghosts"*).
It allowed Annalise to achieve immortality, and Maria to attain mastery of blood magic.

Basically, the church didn't want such powerful stuff falling in the wrong hands.
Why they didn't research it themselves instead of just forbidding it, I don't know.

*My personal head canon is that the "ghosts" have imbibed enough forbidden blood to survive death, but not enough to achieve immortality like Annalise.
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>>324260936

You're right. They're still pretty fucked up though, I'm not sure how you could say they're not. They're all about killing hunters to feed their vampire queen tainted blood.
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>>324261501
I think we can all agree they're better than the Church, though, including the Executioners.
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>>324261501
They're about killing blood addled hunters whose veins are rich with echoes due to imbibing mass amounts of blood. There's little difference between the Vilebloods and the Hunters of Hunters.

Which may be why the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst subscribes to both.
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>>324261501
I never said they weren't fucked up
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>>324261405

Would depend on the nature of the undead in Bloodborne really. The only places we see them are Cainhurst, the Chalice Dungeons and Yahar'gul, all of which have direct connections to the Pthumerians. As far as I know it's never directly explained why they exist.
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>>324261635
Everyone is better than the Healing Church, and the Executioners are just a bunch of self righteous hypocrites who blindly follow orders from literally the most evil group in the game.
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>>324261687
nowhere does it say that Cainhurst hunters specifically targeted the blood-drunk. they just went after hunters at random
>>324261830
>t. Annalise
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>>324261830
Church pre choir wasn't that bad.
Church post choir is probably the most evil group in the game.
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>>324261935
>pre-choir church wasn't that bad
someone hasn't seen the Research Labs
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>>324261910
Where did I say "blood-drunk"? I said blood addled, which is explicitly stated.
They went after those whose blood was rich with echoes, i.e. those who have imbibed lots of blood aka hunters.

No hunter stays pure, anon.
If you imbibe blood the way they do, you succumb sooner or later.
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>>324262013
Sacrifices to be made for the progress of mankind. Plus what are a few randoms to save your friend.
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If I see someone's white shadow, can they see mine?
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>>324252842
Considering they literally called him "Orphan of Kosm," I'd say that pretty clearly settles the debate.
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>>324256003
>AND THEN HE STARTS KILLING GODS
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>>324262504
>AND THEN BECOMES A FUCKING GREAT OLD ONE
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>>324252643
All me btw :^)
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>>324258501
What end?
Main game end where he is a squid or the Old hunters were the doll says "I love you"?
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>>324259036
"This crude weapon relies on brute force and is regrettably inelegant, suggesting that the hunts of the earliest hunters made for horrific affairs, painted in sanguine black and reds."
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>>324262484
Orphan of Kos you uppity shit.
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>tfw no gf to do Cainhurst Noblewoman cosplay
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>>324262742
>the Old hunters were the doll says "I love you"?
What? The Old hunters ends with you beating the Orphan of Kos doesn't it?
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>>324261010
>Your character must have just been an average townsfolk with no combat training in their life who suddenly goes on to kill gods several hours later.

You can pick a backstory where you're a dainty little prissyboy. You coming into Yharnam with the martial skill to fight giant monsters is just as valid a backstory as you coming in Yharnam having never fired a gun in your life. Your character could totally have been an average person with no combat training because it doesn't matter.

No amount of training justifies being able to kill giant dragons and shit in any Souls game (even the excuse that you come in after everything is fucked and in decline only goes so far) but you can still do it anyway because guess what videogame. Even the backgrounds with the most combat implied combat experience ranges from "you could have been a shitty bandit" to "you were the bandit god king". The backstory for your characters matters fuck all which is the entire point.

You go in as some guy and end up killing everything left alive in X location. Whether you were a knight or a wizard or a baker matters fuck all and are all equally valid. The closest you ever get to the player character background mattering is BB where you're actively seeking Paleblood and got a summons to vampire town before the start of the game and even then the end result is still "whatever your background was before you started the game doesn't matter".
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>>324262837
>He couldn't see the full name
That's what you get for having low insight, I guess.
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>>324261115
>not enjoying the occasional murder tome. those invasions don't come often enough yet they are wasted on you.
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>>324263279
burabo
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>>324262154
blood addled and blood drunk are synonyms, they describe the same condition of going out-of-control bloodthirsty after imbibing tons of blood

you can imbibe lots of echoes without going blood addled/drunk
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>>324262706
>AND THEN BECOMES A DILDO FOR THE DOLL
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>>324262958
why does the underside of her arm lack skin?
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>>324262958

I want to destroy Annalise
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>>324263650
She's reforming.
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>>324262781
using brutal weapons that rely on RIP AND TEAR put you at a greater risk of going blood-drunk. that's why the Church feared the powderkegs' weapons
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>>324263080
Yeah but if you go back to the doll and if the workshop isn't on fire it will trigger a new dialougue.
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>>324256414
A few hunters mention the dream.

The guy with the machine gun does if you die
Eileen says to say hello to the doll for her
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>>324263672
HURTS MY HANDS
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>>324263672
post it
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>>324263745
Likewise, use of weapons that connect with refined human culture helps to keep one grounded and aware of who they are. Hence why so many members of the choir use the threaded cane.
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>>324264352
that's why I think that the perfect in-between is the Axe.

It's just brutal and simple enough to be effective in the widest possible range of situations, while keeping the user grounded by reminding them of their solemn duty as an executioner, putting victims out of their misery
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>>324252819
Well that's not true either. You're a guy that marched his way into a hidden castle, killed her captors, all for the sake of pledging to her. I'm sure she's absolutely wet whenever you enter the room.
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>>324263712
is it confirmed that Annalise spontaneously re-forms after being hurt?
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>>324263672
FUCK SHIT
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>>324264659

Not that guy but I think he was referring to the Altar of Despair thing
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>>324264618
>she's soaking wet whenever you walk in the room
love this fanfiction. if she wanted you, she'd have you. she is queen, after all, she can do what she wants, and you're growing eyes on the inside after eating those cords. literally no reason not to besides her finding you unpalatable
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>>324258856
That is pure fanfiction, sir. Firstly, MP was already there the whole time, she was never being beckoned. You can't just claim that shit about Mergo either. How do you know that MP doesn't care about the others? She's actively giving you the power to fight these damn things.
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>>324264730
>>324263927
>>324264113
>>324263672
i don't get it
>>324264782
never mind. also wtf
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>>324264730
>>324264113

Now I know why the Executioners are into rip and tear and why their hats are like toblerone packaging.

DEEPEST LORE
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>>324264659
>>324264772
If you kill Annalise before giving Alfred the summons, can you even give it to him? If you can will the event play differently?

Or will he just not arrive unless you revive her?
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>>324264931

I'm also curious has anyone tried this?
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>>324264872
>mergo wasn't beckoning the MP

>Madman toil surreptitiously in rituals to beckon the moon
>Nightmarish Rituals crave a newborn. find one, and silence it's harrowing cry
>Mensis ritual exposed. seek the Nightmare Newborn
>the Mensis ritual must be stopped, lest we all become beast
>when the Red Moon hangs low, the line between Man and Beast is blurred

the Mensis ritual is trying to beckon the Moon (which includes the MP), and they're using an infant (aka Mergo) to do it. The only way you wouldn't draw this conclusion is by a catastrophic lack of attention to the item descriptions and lore notes that you come across.
>how do you know that the MP doesn't care about the others
by the fact that it allows you to exit the dream while leaving all of them alive. if it wanted you to kill them, it wouldn't let you leave until you did
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>>324264618
Oh she's wet all right.
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>>324256265
vaati steals videos?
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>>324264931
>>324265170
you can't kill Annalise, she takes 0 damage from all your attacks
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>>324265283

Really? Haven't tried that.

If that's the case how did Alfred annihilate Annalise?
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>>324265283
Huh, I could have sworn you could

Well I guess that answers that then
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>>324265412
he's hardcore
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>>324265243
Not literally but he does plagiarize other people's lore theories and other discoveries without crediting them at all.

>>324265412
He didn't. Weren't you paying attention? He ground her into a bloody pulp, but she was still alive.
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>>324265243
I don't know about videos, but he steals all his ideas from /vg/ and /v/

Why do you think he had no bloodborne lore stuff up near the launch while ENB was doing a bunch of lore? Everyone was too busy shitposting NEVER EVER to start working on lore theorys.
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>>324253396
Your "contract" is complete and Gherman frees you from the dream when you kill Mergo. Seems like that's what you were there to do.

Also they never really outright explain why Great Ones' children are always stillborn, but considering your "mission" in the Hunters' dream (which the Moon Presence has dominion over) is to kill an infant great one while it's being conceived and other hunters have been in the dream like you have, you might theorize that this is something the Moon Presence does a lot.
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>>324264776
She's an immortal being that has probably had a couple potential suitors in the past that always wound up dead. It's no surprise that she'd dismiss your advances because she probably thinks you'll end up dead just like all the others while she's left on her throne alone as Queen of a dead kingdom.

She's just a lonely woman that figures she's better off alone than seeing the person she loves eventually die. Classic immortal dilemma.
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>>324265705
There used to be a video where a guy compared one of Vaati's lore videos to some other guy's that was made before Vaati's and Vaati clearly plagiarized a lot of it. The video has been made private since though.
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>>324265724
it's not that they're always stillborn, it's that the Great One always loses it. so it's either stillborn, or it dies/ is killed. to an immortal Great One, they would always "lose their surrogate" regardless of whether or not they're stillborn, since some asshole hunter always comes along and murders them
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so did the old ones really care about humans or did they just pretend to like humans because they needed a human woman to bear their children?
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>>324265978
>Great Ones are sympathetic in spirit
they genuinely care, they just don't always know how to show it
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>>324252734
>>324252862
You guys are fucking stupid.
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>>324265604

>He ground her into a bloody pulp, but she was still alive.

I see.

But it's clearly more suffering to become strawberry jam than just to go to oblivion.

Alfred REALLY is hardcore
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>>324265886
Or they could just lose track of it. I mean, I expect that since Great Ones can create dreams and dimensions that it's not unheard of that their child could move between them easily as they probably don't know how to control their abilities yet.
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>>324265724
>Also they never really outright explain why Great Ones' children are always stillborn,
Not necessarily stillborn(Kos dies to give birth to Orphan, another way of losing a child), but I guess it's based on the concept that the more complex a creature, the fewer offspring it has. That would mean an incredibly advanced and higher dimensional being would be doomed to almost always fail at reproducing and must resort to other means.
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>>324265978
Most great old ones were sympathetic to humans, hell some might have even been humans in the past, but humans can't comprehend them. The best they could do was make contact and hope one of the old ones planted a rune in their brains.
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>>324263548
The hunters that Cainhurst hunts are described as "blood fiends" as evidenced by the blood dregs description.
I think it's safe to say they're blood addled.
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>>324266081
?
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>>324265243
Dunno about videos but everything else is fair game for him.
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>>324265787
that's still a ton of conjecture, anon. whatever tho, I won't keep you from your waifu
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>>324266604
that doesn't mean they're blood drunk

it's calling hunters demons that are powered by the Blood. which is an accurate description of a Hunter, from an outsider's perspective
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>>324265243
He does more than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE2XZK3xiac
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>>324266651
just imagine if there was a program that could edit a picture to be untruthful
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>>324266762
Most things in this game are based on incomplete information. It's a giant puzzle with a bunch of missing pieces but part of the fun is coming up with things based on the information you have. There's no way of really knowing what's right other than From directly saying it so we're all valid.
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The Great Ones are just giant fucking insects living off of instinct and have no motives except existence, survival, and things beyond our conception as a servant race.
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>>324266874
that's pretty embarrassing
>Vaati getting asshurt in the video's comments
amazing
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>>324265604
>>324265412
>>324265210
How much pain did she felt after Alfred shredded the fuck out of her?

Doesn't she still feel pain?
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>>324267064
its OK anon I'm just teasing you. I like your interpretation of Annalise
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Ahh game of the year, or some say game of all time.
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>>324267609
>GOTY
I thought that was the Witcher 3 :^)
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>>324256381
Some of them kind of do. Look at the Suspicous Beggar. Sure he was eating people, but he shows that some beasts are still sentient
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>>324268023
I always thought that suspicious beggar was an experiment in trying to find the Beasts' Embrace rune. He got close enough to retain his "sanity" but not enough to eliminate his compulsion to eat human flesh
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>>324254008
Huh, why is this image backwards?

Though I suppose this is the right one if thats Cainhurst Castle off in the distance
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>>324265705
Because ENB worked on the guide and had access to the game before Vaati?
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>>324265705
>he steals all his ideas from /vg/ and /v/

But nothing posted on /v/ belongs to anyone.
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>>324261023
No, someone knows the basics of cosmic and Lovecraftian horror, you fucking doughnut.
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>>324268326
Vaati pls go
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>>324268285
it's not just Vaati

there as a severe lack of lorevideos at BB's launch. It was basically JUST enb for weeks before the Paleblood Hunt came out, and my personal belief is that basically everyone was waiting for /v/ and /vg/ to stop shitposting and start having serious lorethreads, and Reddit and other sites were waiting for youtube.
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>>324260561
You mean the ayy lmaos?
That was all the imposter. If you don't send anyone to her, the only ayy lmao you see is what is left of Iosefka
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>>324268285
Vaati had early access to the game as well. Still didn't do a video until some dude wrote a thesis on Bloodborne. Suspicious, huh?

>>324268326
Anon that is very true, but the least the faggot could do is say "I didn't come up with this idea", but he doesn't.
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>>324268478
I mean im not gonna lie if i could make money by stealing shit i see on /v/ i would do it without a second thought
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Doll is the cutest level up waifu.
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>>324264898
Does anyone have a screencap of the ">being this mad having bones out of fries" guy and then the edit of this?
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>>324260561
what are you talking about
>inject old blood
>person becomes an ayylmao
it isn't a long procedure
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>>324268676
>Still didn't do a video until some dude wrote a thesis on Bloodborne. Suspicious, huh?

Im no expert on the subject but Im preety sure not everyone can instantly make videos
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>>324268582
Ok I guess.

But ENB had access to the full game before most did. it's not weird that he then had ideas for content and theories already lined out before anyone.

>>324268676
Full access like what was given to the guys working on the guides? Or demos?
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>>324268676
he also started with the exact same fucking HP Lovecraft quote
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>>324256003
>He just rolls into pots and crates for hours
>Better stay inside, clearly insane
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>looking for girls mom, get the music box
>kill her dad
>go to church
>tell her about church
>later find her mom dead
>shes gone

fuck

no idea what to do now
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>>324268719
I agree.
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>>324268851
Think this just shows that Bloodborne isn't as open to interpretation as most claim.

A bunch of people reaching the same conclusions about a limited set of information isn't all that weird.
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>>324268839
f@m it doesn't take that long to clear BB, it's less than 30 hours. Even if ENB had early access, we would still expect to see the lorevideos start coming out in waves around the first ~1-2 weeks post-release. but this didn't happen. because either the ENTIRE youtube community gave up because ENB's vids were popular (which is dumb to assume, since this never stopped anyone before) or they were all waiting for others to supply their theories for them, since they didn't understand it
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>>324268839
Vaati had a review copy.
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>>324268970
You should go visit that giant pig in the sewers
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>>324268326
>>But nothing posted on /v/ belongs to anyone.
What was that old 4chan disclaimer stating that all posts belong to their respective posters?
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>>324268984
Why do the Doll's hands and fingers make me exetremly aroused?
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>>324269030
it's one thing to reach the same conclusions

it's quite another to quote the source word-for-word without crediting the original author

you unbelievable Vaati shill

>>>/youtube comments section/
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>>324269030
He had access to BB for a long time, and didn't release this summary video until shortly after The Paleblood Hunt, and it started with the same exact quote. It's not even the only instance of stealing, it's just the most damning.

He could at least give credit and say he may have had inspiration from it but he refuses to even acknowledge it and continues to profit off of other people's ideas.
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>>324269030
I don't see how interpreting BB similarly means you have to use the exact same goddamn H.P. Lovecraft quote
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>>324269196
because the cute segmented doll hands just make you want to hold them in your own hands
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>>324268970
Kill the giant pig thats below the bridge where the flaming boulder rolls down.
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>>324269134
I killed him before I fought her dad, and it seemed like the ladder just led to that exact same area (oedal church or whatever).

I'll go look around again, thanks.
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>ENB will no longer do videos on Bloodborne because his wife miscarried and the subject matter hits a little too close to home for him

Goddamn it.
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>>324269438
Its a respawning enemy so thats not an issue.

Go kill it again.

Spoilers for the next step. Seriously
After you find the ribbon, there isn't anything you can do until the last third of the game. After you kill a certain boss in a certain lake (You should know what I mean when it happens) go back to the girl's house
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"Cleric Beast is Ludwig"
t. Vaati
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>>324269445
What the fuck really?
God damn man
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>>324269075
Clearing and understanding are two different things. Especially in a game where the lore is strung out piece meal in item descriptions.

>>324269129
I'm not denying Vaati didn't have early access. I'm saying ENB had a longer time with the game which contributed to his speed and the detail he was able to produce.

>>324269219
>>324269261
It's a fucking common quote. Anyone who likes Lovecraft would recognize it and the similarities to a game built off Lovecraft lore. Next you're going to tell me everyones copying someone because they all caught the Berserk references in Dark Souls.

Look I agree that Vaati appears to have been influenced by the Paleblood Hunt and it's shitty that he didn't bother to cite it in some form. But I don't think that's enough proof to conclude he didn't have his own ideas prior to PH being written up or that /v/ is some sacred source of knowledge all youtubers go to for ideas.
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>>324269624
>people can reach the wrong conclussions given limited information

WOAH
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>>324269624
Everyone was saying this prior to the DLC.
>>
THEORY

The Doll is possessed by Oedon

Throughout the game you clean the mess produced by humans and other Old Ones.

At the end of the game you become his surrogate.
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>>324269624
Its a somewhat reasonable conclusion to reach before the DLC happened
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>>324269679
Sure ENB may have had a longer time but Vaati literally had the game in his hands a month before the rest of us plebs and still somehow didn't make a single video until after Paleblood Hunt dropped. That's just a red flag, imo.

Again, it wouldn't be the first time he's taken an idea without crediting where it came from, it'd just be the most blatant.
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>>324269679
I honestly don't give a fuck if Vaati coindidentally happened to have the same ideas as the Paleblood Hunt before he plagarized it, because he didn't display them in his videos (since he was too busy ripping off the Paleblood Hunt to bother showing them).

Regardless, I don't think that you're correct, because all of Vaati's home-brewed theories are complete and utter bullshit
>Cleric Beast is Ludwig
>Headless Bloodletting Beast is Laurence
>Eileen is the Wet Nurse
the dude is a fucking idiot whenever he's not plagiarizing others (like 99% of all plagiarists)
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>>324269624

Isnt he?

I understand Ludwig is on fire in the DLC because you killed him in Yarnahm with molotovs.
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Like I've played through the game 3 times at this point and there's one fucking question I wish the devs would've made clear:

IN WHAT FUCKING CAPACITY WAS YOUR CHARACTER LOOKING FOR PALEBLOOD AND WHY?

In Demons' Souls and the Dark series your motivation is clear even if your characters' single-minded determination to act on what is basically rumor can seem sort of silly.

You're an outsider come for either fame or glory or just plain being a good guy in order to stop the encroaching fog in Demons' Souls.

You're the chosen undead and have a pretty specific destiny in DS1/2.

In Bloodborne, you're a foreigner come under cover of night to uh...um... find paleblood? Or you have some sort of disease called paleblood you're seeking treatment for? Or both? Maybe? I dunno. Just roll with it.

People tend to say you're seeking Paleblood, but that's mostly interpreting the notes you find in Yharnam as being addressed to YOU when to me they come off as just being left-behind scribblings.

The only notes in the game that seem to be addressed to you specifically is the Cainhurst Summons (which is curious) and the note in the Hunter's Dream telling you to escape the nightmare.

Like, you never FIND the paleblood unless I'm misinterpreting something (I mean the whole womb-being-blessed-with-child thing with Arianna/Isoefka's imposter/etc doesn't seem like something that happens every hunt), so my conclusion has always been that you happen to have an affliction known as paleblood and you're somehow the trigger for this specific night of the hunt being so particularly nasty (The church beggar noting that even people hiding inside are "going bad" this time) after you get your blood ministered and become a hunter.
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>>324269869
I wasn't. Especially since it's a dumb conclusion to jump to.
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>>324270007
no it fucking wasn't

the description of the Sword stated that it was a standard-issue weapon used by all of Ludwig's soldiers, and the Sword Hunter Badge said that clerics (as a generic term) all became hideous beasts
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>>324270067
Its implied you have a disease that you came to Yharnam to cure.
And then once there you learn that Paleblood is probably your best bet, though you don't learn til later that its the blood of ayy lmaos.
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>>324270067
It's very simple. They tell you to hunt beasts. It's that simple. Obviously it ends up being so much more but in the beginning that's your only motivation.
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>>324270067
Miyazaki stated in an interview that you show up to Yharnam seeking paleblood because you have an incurable disease. It isn't stated in-game tho
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>>324270067
In Dark Souls 1, you are not the chosen undead. In fact you don't really have a reason to do anything in Lordran, but one can assume you're just honoring Oscar's last request.
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>>324269417
>I will never get to hold them and look into that cute face

Why live?
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>>324270067
You find it.

"Behold! A Paleblood sky!"

Paleblood is the color of the sky following the Mensis ritual, only visible after you kill Rom, the last true power of Byrgenwerth, and the only remaining potent opposition to the ritual.

While the consequences are near apocalyptic, you can now see the true enemy.
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>>324260371
Get the fuck out heretic scum you aren't fooling anyone
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>>324270640
ATTENTION ALL VILEBLOOD, OR HERETICS, AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM:

YOU NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT, YHARNAM IS OURS, UNDERSTAND???
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>>324270626
Paleblood could also potentially be the name of the Moon Presence.
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>>324252643
>>324252862
>>324262739
>>324252734
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>>324270626

It could be a mistake but you can view that note before you ever fight Rom. If you get kidnapped after killing Vicar Amelia you can explore most of Yhar'gul and you can see that note during the regular moonlit night.
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>>324270825
>the Nameless Moon Presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood.
paleblood isn't the MP's name, since they call it nameless at the same time
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>>324269445
What really?
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ROM IS A TRAGIC HERO, HE'S HOLDING THE NIGHTMARE BACK!
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>>324270734
Yharnam belongs to the Nords!
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>>324269445

Wait, I thought he already had his two kids? He had his first kid over a year ago, and I thought his wife had their second like...a little while back?
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>>324269445

>ENB impregnated a great one

he should've learned...
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>>324271342
>he
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>>324271518
His wife didn't have the second one. He announced that she was pregnant but she lost the child like 2 months in.
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>>324270734
where did this copypasta even come from, originally?
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>>324269631
>>324271323
>>324271518
>>324271549
https://youtu.be/pu6D_S7q7Wg?t=53m53s
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>>324271859
I'm not watching that entire hour long video, f@m, gib timestamp pls
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https://youtu.be/g3nR_4F1anI
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>>324256542
Blades of Mercy have S rank skill scaling, and attack so quickly when tricked that if you can manage to stunlock your opponent, they're pretty much dead
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>>324271948

>?t=53m53s

Are you some kind of retard?
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>>324271986
i love it!
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>>324264884
>being this new
>being this reddit
>being this much of a faggot
>sucking this much cock
>wtf
>replying to 5 posts in one post

I want you to stop living
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>>324271948
>https://youtu.be/pu6D_S7q7Wg?t=53m53s
>?t=53m3s

Pay attention.
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>>324272107
>Getting upset at posts over an hour old
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>>324272107
calm down
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>>324272203
>being a complacent faggot who lets newshits get away with being new

No anon you are the faggot
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>>324272037
your opponent isn't getting stunlocked if they aren't braindead
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>>324268719
She is the cutest vidya waifu period.

I didn't know I wanted to be a squid until I saw the good ending.
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>>324270871
A good point, and I've been puzzled by this.

But then again, when you think about it, the Amgdala were there all along, you just couldn't see them, unless you have high insight.

The Paleblood sky was always there. This has even more significance if you take into account >>324270825 's comment. Was the "real" sky an illusion all along? What even constitutes an illusion when worlds are built on dreams?
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>>324272262
Go back to reddit
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>>324272808
>being this mad
>le reddit boogeyman
wow I wish I could be as hardcore of a 4chan poster as you!
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>>324270568
But you can, Anon. Doll is literally a doll. You can build her from spare parts in your basement. She's the most easily realizable waifu of all time.
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>>324272729
Well that's the thing, in Bloodborne, dreams aren't just dreams. They are a separate plane of existence from "reality" but still equally valid. It's not that the real sky is an illusion, you're just seeing the real sky and the nightmare sky overlap.
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Who the fuck is Oedon? I've seen people mentioning him in every discussion about lore.
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>>324269869
Literally no one but stupid faggots like Vaati, it's akin to calling a random Black Knight Artorias

Stupid as fuck, considering we knew a DLC was planned
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>>324273116
Play the game
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>>324273116
it's space yahveh
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>>324270364
Yes you are. Thou who art undead art chosen.

Every single undead is the chosen undead.
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>>324273196
I've heard of him only in the Runes.
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>>324273116
A great old one who doesn't have a corporeal body.
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>>324273123
And now that fucking Pat won't stop shilling Vaatis theories, even post-dlc, people won't let then die
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Is there a comfier girl in existence?

I want to be a squid so I can curl up into a ball underneath her shawl and sleep between her little porcelain breasts.
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>>324273116
Formless Great one that goes around impregnating cute girls.

Basically he's my hero.
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>>324273547
Then you know who he is
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>No qt Aza boss fight with toot toots flying around the place
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>>324273467
>not understanding that the prophecy was bullshit
Come on family.

>>324273603
>Pat credits Vaati for fucking everything during the DS2 playthrough
>keeps doing it in Bloodborne

Jesus fuck.
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>>324273116
God of Cinemas. Puts tentacles in your popcorn. Places touched by his magnificence have low lighting and sticky floors. Haven't you found the Pick 'n mix in the chalice dungeons yet?
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>>324273737
now that you mention it, the only thing this game was lacking (apart from more ways to interact with doll) is some space vuvuzelas.
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>>324273547
Anon, what's the name of the chapel where you send people that you rescue?
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>>324270067
You travel to Yharnam after hearing about their healing blood and want to cure your disease.
You awake to find the world in tatters and find a note telling you to "seek Paleblood to transcend the hunt". Once you die and enter the Hunter's Dream, Gehrman tells you to hunt some beasts to achieve your goal.

It's fairly straight forward.
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>>324273760
The whole prophecy is bullshit, it's made up by gwyndolin and frampt to hope that an undead can succeed gwyn and link the flames - by ringing the two bells and collecting the 4 great souls you prove you're powerful enough to provide some fuel for the first flame.

Any undead can be the one to link the flames, any undead cam be the "chosen undead"
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>>324273760
>Pat mentions that the Headless Bloodletting Beast is Laurence
>AS HE IS FUCKING FIGHTING LAURENCE IN THE DLC
how can one ginger manlet be so consistently stupid?
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>>324273798
no, but all of the popcorn that the bath messengers in the Labyrinth try to sell me is both unsalted and unbuttered. it's complete bullshit
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>>324273074
You know what? You're right. Thanks anon
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Isn't that how it is in all Souls games anyway? You play as a rank and file shitter who somehow manages to survive where all the other heroes (and villains) failed and come out as top fucking dog. I like it to be honest.
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>>324273623
So do I.
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>>324266864
I think it's fairly safe to say that "blood fiends" is interchangable with "blood drunk".

Not that it matters because, again, no hunter is innocent.
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>>324274284
I'm surprised he didn't say that the Cleric Beast was Ludwig while fighting Ludwig.
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>>324274408
Well in all souls games you have infinite lives so I like to think you just wear the bosses down little by little.
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>>324274439
No squid! Don't do it! You'll catch diabetes and die from all the sweetness!
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>>324274554
At least in Demon's Souls theres a good explanation for your respawning, but in DaS1 & 2 it didn't make much sense. I guess you're undead, sure, but so is everyone else. So why don't they respawn?
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>>324272985
>sarcasm in text form

Truly a master redditier in our presence, you must be swimming in reddit gold.
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>>324274443
No

The vilebloods were persecuted by hunters from from the church. It makes sense that that they would thus characterize hunters as evil demons by giving them monikers like "blood fiends," since they were being hunted by them
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>>324251894
This is what I love about Bloodborne, your character wasn't even trained to be a hunter. In the Souls games it's kinda implied you're some kind of Chosen One, especially in DaS where you're the reincarnation/descendant of the Furtive Pygmy.

But in Bloodborne you're just a guy who shows up wanting to be cured of some random disease and you end up slaying all of the local beasts and Eldritch monstrosities.
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>>324274809
>got off the boat
>went on hiatus immediately

Sasuga, nippon.
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>>324274439
Hot.
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>>324274876
F...fuck anon don't do this to me ;_;
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>>324274770
>I guess you're undead, sure, but so is everyone else. So why don't they respawn?
Do you mean NPCs? Not all of them are undead, but mostly it's just for gameplay conventions.
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>>324274946
No, cute
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>>324274770
this is completely backwards.

in DeS there is no explanation for your respawning. if you die, you get trapped by the nexus, and you linger on in soul form. if you die in soul form, canonically you die permanently. the fact that the player can spawn in as many times as they like is 100% a gameplay convenience.

in DaS1 and DaS2 respawning is an inherent feature of being undead. you only die "permanently" when you hollow. NPCs die permanently because when you kill them, that's the last straw for them, they hollow, and become a shuffling zombie somewhere
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>>324275010
It's both.
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>>324260371
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>>324274357
After both salt and butter were found to be ineffective against the beastly scourge, hunters took to lacing popcorn with their own blood.

The first popcorn stands were discovered by hunters from the healing church. Scholars from the Choir still attribute an untapped power to it. What else could explain the high price it demanded from Pthumerian movie fans?
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what's a confederate?
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>>324258417
I fucked up her quest on my first playthrough and never talked to her in Cathedral Ward. I think after Rom she appeard at Grand Cathedral and was hostile so had to kill her. Don't know about the doll part though.
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>>324259375
not even for gascoigne and his family?
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>>324271342
>he
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>>324275409
>THE YHARNIMITES WILL RISE AGAIN
>GODDAMN HEALING CHURCH WANNA TAKE OUR TRICK WEAPONS AWAY
>THE HELMET MEANS HERITAGE, NOT HATE
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God damn I love dark souls and dark souls 2, I really want to play BB but I have to build a new computer because my current one is shite and old, fuck is it worth getting a PS4 for it? How does online on the PS4 work, do I need to pay for it just to have the same online interactions you have in Dark Souls?
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>>324252117
>girl says no
>interpret it as a yes

calling the FBI now anon
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>>324258285
>>324258605
>>324258767
>>324258950
>>324259057

Micolash is pretty much the most interesting character throughout the entire Souls series. Don't even know why since you barely see him but he's interesting as fuck.
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>>324275101
> if you die in soul form, canonically you die permanently

Are you sure? I don't remember that being the case. The way I remember it is that you get trapped in the Nexus, as you said, and you're basically trapped there forever until you man the fuck up and go and fight the horrors until they're dead. Or not, and become like that blue phantom who sits in the Nexus and mopes all the time.
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Let's settle this

Are you a manlet or is doll a big girl for you?
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>>324275658
>Is it worth getting a ps4 for it

Not really. It's good, but not $460 good
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>>324271859

Maybe now people will arrive at their own conclusions like the story was intended.
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>>324275792
>interesting

More like crazy fucktard who has a bunch of people ritual killed and turned into an abomination of a fake great old one while he got to live it up in the nightmare.
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>>324275792

>interesting
>boring as fuck fight
>barely any info on him
>the nightmare up to him is just a weird combination of piss easy enemies and infinite range spiders/breaking boulders

I really hate micolash
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>>324275792
he's not interesting he's fucking hilarious
not the same shit
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>>324259286
I used both against orphan of Kos and the Rakuyo did significantly better DPS
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>>324275959
He always told people to draw their own conclusions and that his theories were just conjecture. He was never a Vaati tier faggot.
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>>324274817
I think you're confusing item descriptions as being written from the viewpoint of the persons it describes, and I'm not sure why you're reaching this conclusion.

The blood dreg description states
>often appear[ing] in the blood of echo fiends, that is to say, the blood of hunters

Vilebloods only hunt hunters, and no hunter is innocent.
Every hunter imbibes heavily, and becomes a blood fiend, eventually succumbing to scourge of the beast.
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>>324275101

I imagine souls in the series are like the tang in eva, if you wanna come back to your corporal form then thats fine, if don't then who gives a fuck

I assume the ones who die in hollow form have already said fuck it to living in the real world and just want to go away
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I just realized that in bloodborne the moon is huge theme and in dark souls the sun is a huge theme. Do you think that was intenional?
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>most satisfying ending is the easiest
>can't be bothered to go the extra mile to get the other 2 because there is no reason I would want them
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>>324275658

Nah, its slightly underwhelming
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>>324276610
No shit.
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>>324276614

Should've saved scummed them just to experience them
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>>324276574

Wrong thread
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>>324276614
This is bait! Be careful not to fall for it, little squids!
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>>324275768
You didn't propose to her after becoming a squid though
If anything she's sure to accept being married to an Old One
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>>324276207
No hunter is innocent, but not every hunter is stark raving mad with blood-addling like Gascoigne, Henryk, and Crowsteel
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>>324276923
I want to marry the Doll!
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>>324276764
does it mean anything or is it just a little nod or something?
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>>324275836
I'm pretty sure that the YOU DIED subs heavily imply that this is the case. Remember that DeS was supposed to be permadeath
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>>324257786

fuck off /mu/
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>>324277874
Well I'm not sure it has any significance other than the fact that Miyazaki wanted BB to be very different than Dark Souls
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>>324278818
so no things little things that are hinting at that DS and BB are in the same universe?
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>>324259694
When I found the doll at the abandoned workshop, there were tons of dead fags around. Does she do anything, were they committing suicide, or is that an invasion spot?

They all seemed to attack the doll, and died later. I tried the same but nothing happened.
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>>324277874
People really need to understand that the universes of DeS, DaS, and BB are all different
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>>324279213
Other than Patches?
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>>324276767
>save scummed
But you can't do that in Bloodborne. Like at all, it's autosave only.
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>>324279295
They're most likely killing themselves with chikages to troll you
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>>324271758
Some kid at Miiverse telling niggers to fuck off.
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>>324279584
Patches exists in all dimensions.
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>>324279772
>strange reverse legged craft
>Pathes the Jackal
that's really subtle
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>>324279295
Later on in the game if you die to Gehrman you can summon people at the workshop to help you fight him. People usually use that place to pvp since if you summon people that are an opposing faction they'll be summoned as an invader.
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>>324277992
AYY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPkc02A3kcQ
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>>324277992
What did /mu/ do to you?
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>>324277874
>very different
Guess he failed then.
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>>324251894
Why is his hat really sideways.
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>>324259694
>it's the maiden in black all over again
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>>324270064
That's not Ludwig. That's Laurence. Ludwig is the rape horse with the Moonlight Greatsword. Laurence was the first Vicar and not encountered in the base game.
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>>324273873
the living failures have that move where eveything above you becomes space and asteroids starts falling on you.
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>>324281178
reminder that if you allow the Maiden to live she's going to team up with the Old One to kill everyone and end the world. The world's strongest demon will have it's revenge!
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>>324259427
Rom prayed to Kos, took in an umbilical cord and was made a great one. To prevent others from becoming great ones through mas syyy impregnation Rom became the dream catcher to keep the nightmare cradles away.
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>>324281634
yes but there's nothing that sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsm9UDfWyc
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>>324281709
>Rom prayed to Kos
>also took an umbilical cord
these things are redundant. if they had cords, there would be no need for prayer, you just eat them to ascend. if their prayers succeeded in granting eyes, no cord is necessary
>to prevent others from ascending it blocked the nightmare
it's not thinking or trying to do anything, Rom is vacuous. it's blocking the Nightmare is just some reflex that requires no thought

0/10 theory
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>>324282082
Technically eating the cord gives you eyes.
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>>324282230
eating the cord gives you eyes, which is why there would be no need to beg Kos for them if you've got one
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