I don't see the appeal of these assholes.

>>324202594
When you grow up from your millennial phase you'll understand. Like I did.

I'm sorry if you hate fun.

>Should have been VJ not Bayonetta.

>>324202860
>Should have been VJ not Bayonetta.
Literally no purpose.

>>324202594
Only memefucks like them.

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Shitty Kamen Raider wanna be faggots

>>324202594
Justice

Only fedora fatasses like them as they know they'll never look like them

>Red
>asshole

Red is a moralfag done right.

Because you were raised by women.

>>324202860
I love VJ too but in context Red would have been a better choice. Still glad Bayo is in though

>>324203389
This.

You don't understand the glory of Tokusatsu

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>>324202594
That's because you're a pleb.

>Captain Falcon continues to get playable appearances, references, etc in Nintendo games like MK8
>Still no new F-Zero

Come on just fucking re-release X with the expansion kit we never got over here

>>324202594
Captain Falcons just a dude who likes to go fast. He's no sentai kamen rider hero.

>>324206331
He's a bountry hunter, anon

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>>324202860
should have been wonder red
>>324202594
over the top good guys

>>324202594
Reddit the characters. Especially faggot falcon.

>>324206331
THREE CHEERS FOR THE CAP-I-TAN
Fuck off dude he saved countless people and raced God.

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>>324202594
I don't know who the first guy is, but Wonder Red is described by this guy >>324203389, VJ is any geek's dream, and Captain Falcon is a stylish mother fucker. At least from what we've seen of him in Smash.

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Glib facsimiles

>>324203389
>Red is a moralfag done right.

So the villain all along?

>>324207114
>Hating on viewtiful Joe

Kill yourself

>>324207114
>hating justice

Edgy reddit millennial kid detected.

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>>324202594
People like superheroes whats hard to understand?

>>324207249
>kiddies browsing now literally not knowing who Captain Commando is

Man, that smarts.

>>324202594
Children tend to enjoy moral centric protagonists. It appeals to the moral policeman freshly instilled in their young brain. Older audiences tend to enjoy characters who are reflective of real people, characters who are morally ambiguous or at the very least are logically fleshed out.

Adults who cling to black and white heroes are essentially overgrown children. It is likely they own every silly piece of plastic Nintendo has spawned and think the WiiU is an innovation.

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>>324207249
I just realized he looks a lot like char

>>324207608
>*tips fedora

>>324207608
>being too low IQ to see that those characters are over the top justice on purpose

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVudJS9-I14

Why was GX more Jap as fuck compared to X?

>>324202594
VJ is cool

>>324203270
Says the man who promotes Donte with a vagina.

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>>324202594
>Dissing Wonder Red

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>>324207608

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2tCh_FX8k

this is really just for cpt falcon but i guess it could apply to all.

When I play falcon i feel the most immersed in the game. Im not just some anon playing a game, I am the People's CHAMP. Im playing to protect the heart of every man woman and child in the world and ill be damned if thats not a fucking great feel. Falcon fights from the heart and his soul and if you dont think thats fucking great, maybe you need to reevaluate yourself.

>>324202594
Protagonists with fun personality and cool one-liners. Refreshing take on the normal japanese main character who is beta and just a shell to self insert yourself into

>>324207608
This is the most ironic thing I think I've ever seen on 4chan.

>>324202594
I like all of these except for Falcon, he's been ruined for me.

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>>324202594
If you can't see why we need MORE characters like this in an industry up to the balls with boring metrosexuals or meathead marines maybe you should return to le Reddit.

>>324202594
That is because you have shit taste

I can understand why you can't like CF, WRed or whoever the fuck star chest is, but Viewtiful Joe was an extremely likable character.

He was a comic book nerd who got to live his fantasy, and was an actual competent hero for the most part.

>>324207608
y'know what, you're right
we shouldn't enjoy characters with black-and-white morality. it's childish
my favorite complex heroes are rorschach and jack cayman. how about yours

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>>324207881
>>324207885
>>324208263
>>324208506
>>324208862

HULLO REDDIT

Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter. It's his fucking job. In the GX videos, he seems to be reluctant to doing anything at all, and only raced in the story mode just to prevent Black Shadow from winning. He is then encountered by Deathborne or whatever and Falcon says to him "You think you can beat ME? No WAY!"

>>324209057
>he didn't get the madworld joke

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Wonder Red is extremely obnoxious. That whole game is. He's entirely inferior to anything he homaged. Kamiya really dropped the ball after VJ.

>>324209057
>You're an autistic retard, clearly you don't get it.
>No I'm not you are!

You're better than this, man

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>>324209057
>being a mahjongfag

>>324209057
>implying Fist of the north star isnt literally the kitizen cane of anime

>>324202594
>Capcom will never make a cuhrayzee reboot of Captain Commando with DMC-esque combat
>Capcom will never get Hideki Kamiya and Platinum Games to make Viewtiful Joe 3
Why even live?

Also fuck me, toku-style superheroes are awesome.

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>>324209218
Outside of homage he was one of the better written characters in the game. Personally I find Joe annoying.

>>324209395
>capcom has EVER entertained the possibility for making viewtiful joe 3
if only it were true, anon

>>324209310
>IT'S OK TO LIKE MORALFAGS IF THEY'RE P-P-P-P-P-P-PARODY! TOTALLY NOT EMBARRASSING BRO!

>>324208620
>hits a guy in the neck so hard he does a front flip

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>>324209218
>Wonder Red is extremely obnoxious

I disagree in my opinion. He may talk a lot which can be annoying, but he doesn't mean to annoy others, and he really means well, and tries to help others.

This line in particular really stood out a lot.

"The truly strong, are those who help the weak stand,"

Honest to god, that line hit me hard.

>>324209527
Calm down dude.

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I am a mature person who only enjoys heroes and or anti-heroes who remind me of myself; intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>324209582
Anon this game is for children

You're embarrassing yourself feeling something for that sort of character

>>324202594
captain falcon routinely beats up anime characters
what's not to love

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>>324207347
Yes.

>>324202860
>Should have been VJ not Bayonetta.
Literally who?

>>324209467
Well of course joe is just a weeb who'd rather see the same hero movie for the millionth time instead of fucking his girlfriend.

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>there will never be a vidya hero on par with the Rider

>>324209735
>recking a fggt anime swordsman as falcon in sm4sh

Best feel

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>>324202594
That's because you don't like heroes.

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>>324209695
>Anon this game is for children

Perhaps.

>You're embarrassing yourself feeling something for that sort of character

If it's considered embarrassing to like someone who likes to help others, and be a nice good guy, consider me embarrassed.

>>324210098
>If it's considered embarrassing to like someone who likes to help others, and be a nice good guy,

It literally is, for anyone over the age of 10 at least.

>>324209735
He fucked up crom so hard he didn't make in the roster now that sounds like a real hero in my books

>>324210062
>Rolling in dirt
>white pants still clean as fuck

How can one man be so based?

>>324210062
Nobody does these days.

>>324209695
to be fair, there was a lot of adult jokes in the game.

>>324210140
You're literally the faggot on an anime message board telling the kid he's a fag for liking heroes. You alright with that?

>>324210309
Yes? At least I watch and read material for my age group.

>>324210405
Whatever makes you feel better about yourself man.

>>324210405
Who are you trying to impress?

>>324210645
The presumably grown person who enjoys children's entertainment for poorly thought-out reasons?

>>324202594
They're cool.

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>>324210218
Because Gavan.

>>324210405
>appropriate for my agegroup
If you're too old to like heroes then youre too old to like video games

>>324210745
You trying to discredit someone else who enjoys their own shit makes you seem like the bigger manchild, dog.

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>>324210753
>VJ in W101 never
>WR in VJ game ever

J-J-J-J-JUST

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>>324210818
Not every video game is moralfag propaganda for children, anon.

>>324210893
It's okay nigga, Joe lives on in Wonder Red, obviously.

>>324210405
alright well how about you go shitpost in a pynchon thread instead

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>>324210893
didn't mean to quote that post, woops

>>324210960
Every video game is for children
Video games are for children
Adults are called adults because they dont play video games

>>324211036
>Full-sized depictions

What are you doing bro?

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>All these ass-flustered moralfags

Literally Reddit

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>>324207249
Wonder Red basically has the same scarf as Viewtuful Joe

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>>324211178
whatever I please, anon

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>>324210960
>>324211096
stop it you two

>>324207608
You sound like a 16 year old anarchist that thinks he understands how deep and meaningful things are because his favorite gray comic character made a point that clicked with your values.

It's not bad to like "black and white" morals characters, they tend to have principles and those principles tend to be challenged that makes them question their position and they become stronger for sticking to in with a strong awareness of the consequences.

Gray characters are pragmatists that shoot for results off the bat. They're not idealists, they're doers which is understandable for those who want to see the world for what it is rather than what it could or should be much less aim for. The problem with gray characters is that they're much closer to cops than "black and white" moral characters in that they let the job wear on them too much and shit gets too crazy after a while.

It's easy to write off the former as naive because sometimes they usually are, but usually said characters reflect someone who wants to see a better world rather than seek comfort in the one that already is much less their "work." Not to mention characters like Superman or Kamen Rider give people a better image to aspire for rather than wallow in cynicism.

>>324211258
>Assblasted Nigger samefagging constantly while moralfags are broing out

Go away man.

Fitting music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIH5V0YeAd4

>>324202594
/v/ loves shounen shit, so it's no surprise.

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>>324209582
Yeah I was very impressed when he said that too.

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>>324209527

>>324202594
>Memes: The Hero

Essentially.

That fad died long ago.

>>324207190
>god challenges you to a race
>You think YOU can beat ME!?
Did not expect hype like that from the story mode.

>>324207347
Nah, the true villain was always Luka.

Red just loves justice too much. No wonder he wants to fuck an alien policewoman.

>>324210992
In one of the QTEs, wonder pink calls slivia on the phone, if i remember well.

>>324211258
Fuck off. Wonder red and the others are silly over-the-top stuff, you don't need to take it THAT seriously.

>>324211258
Says the guy posting a moralfag.

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>>324211906
Captain Falcon will always prevail.

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I like the more Kamen Rider style heroes rather than Sentai style.
How come there's no Guyver video game? Not even one.

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>>324209695
>>324210098
>>324210140
The Wonderful 101 is one of the most adult video games I have ever experienced. No, it doesn't feature an edgy story with deep meanings and social critiques, but the gameplay is so deep, and challenged me in ways no other game has ever done. It is not handholdy at all and treated me like an adult, the game knows I can figure things out for myself and rewarded me for it.

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>>324207347
Actually, yes.

>>324212268
The issue is pacing, really. Guyver doesn't "upgrade" over time, and his generic super mode (Gigantic) doesn't exactly appear at the last minute, once it appears he uses it for pretty much every fight after.

>>324211031
That's the guy that writes sprawling narratives about poopoo. I think you mean Nabokov if you want to name drop a big boy writer you know nothing about.

>>324211401
Every time I see this image, I know it's you.

>>324212420
They could just make an simple, original story to excuse the gameplay.
If it were up to me I'd make a DMC-like, with some boss battles that use Gigantic and Gigantic Exceed.

>>324212420
It could literally be serious VJ.

>>324209582
>"The truly strong, are those who help the weak stand,"
have you ever once literally ever even GLANCED at a jrpg? hell, a disney movie, even?

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The only people that talk trash about black n white, gung ho moral bros are cynical faggots that not only realized that the world isn't so kind but also allowed life to cuck them. They're such mind broken fuckbois that they have to cry and shit themselves when someone with a naturally good heart gets their way because they've seen it fail. I'm not exactly a fan of the ole razzle dazzle ultimate goodguy thing because that simply gets stale in story telling after a while, but it hasn't been used lately and all of these guys are breaths of fresh air.

>/v/ is now pro-moralfag

What went wrong?

Was it Reddit?

Is Kenshiro going to be 'badass' now?

>>324211096
god shut up oh my god

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>>324212540
actually, I saved it on...
June 1st, 2015, and it's the first time I'm posting it, so I don't know who you're talking about, sorry

here, have an image I saved on november 16th 2015

>>324212754
Ambiguous morals are certainly more interesting. I don't get triggered by moralfags, but it can get boring after seeing a lot of them.

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>>324212760
away, go back to your shitty hole
>>>/a/

>>324212671
>have you ever once literally ever even GLANCED at a jrpg? hell, a disney movie, even?

What's honestly wrong with that line?

>>324209057
>people who never read Hokuto no Ken and think Kenshiro is a one-dimensional moralfag

>>324212860
Why are you in this thread then other than to whine about them?

>>324207608
you realize that's the point, right
it's a parody of sentai bullshit

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>>324211258
Dude, I like Wonder Red a lot, but I'm not a moralfag. Do you really think people only like characters that are like themselves? Do you only like characters like yourself? Because that is must be very boring and sad.

>>324211342
That's why I was drawn to TW101 as soon as it was revealed

>>324202860
Wonder Red is literally Nintendo's Viewtiful Joe. VJ is fucking awesome, but WR is made for the role.

>>324212998
>IT'S OK BECAUSE IT'S SECRETLY A CRITICISM OF MORALFAGS, BELIEVE ME GUYS THIS IS SUPER DEEP

Kamiya unironically loves this shit and his games reflect it.

>>324212995
I'm not whining, though.
I'm just saying that, from a narrative perspective, characters with a rigid moral leaning are pretty boring. It's OK for a simple shonen series or something like that, but a more complex moral compass is always preferred.

>>324212860
It depends. A lot of the time black n white also has a world that keeps that black n white in clear cut sections. When it's a world or setting where their actions actually vastly skew how people perceive them while showing the enemy to also be convicted for their fight, then it's really awesome.

>>324213116
So why are you in here? You're not answering the question. Did you come to educate us about why we should feel bad about liking these silly moralfags and impress us with your high-brow intellectual tastes?

>>324212268
>>324212420
>Bio-Boosted Armor Guyver

These niggas know what's up.

>>324212962
Watch, he's gonna bring up how "KENSHIRO BELIEVES HE WAS ON A MISSION FROM GOD TO HELP PEOPLE". Which was fucking from Shin Hokuto no Ken, which everyone agrees is shit.

If you do anything besides read the original manga or watch the film, you're doing it wrong.

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>>324210960
>Star Wars game
>Franchise DEDICATED to children's toys
Wow anon. Your edgy grandma doesn't make the writing deep.

>>324213196
I'm in here because I was interested by an OP image containing several things I like.
I'm sorry about triggering you. I'll try to be more sensitive next time.

>>324213215
But the anime was best. The movie was garbage. Of course amoralcucks don't know anything about this.

Well guys hold on.

Are you saying you can't enjoy Akagi and Kenshiro both?

>>324213289
>several things I like.
>moralfags

I'm getting mixed messages from you.

>>324213294
The anime has way too much fucking filler. That artstyle is all over the place too.

>>324213390
If I call you a faggot, do you think I'm insulting you? Cause if so, you're a fucking faggot.

>>324213390
Look up the word "pluralism".

>>324213420
>muh filler

That might work for DBZ but the filler in HnK did nothing but expand on the world and the characters and made them more than speed bumps to get run over.
Shin had an entire arc to himself that elevated him from cackling maniac to an actual three-dimensional character with his own problems.

>>324212852
You're the fanfic guy right?

>>324203389
There's no such thing as a good moralfag

>>324213503
Explains nothing. If anything you're a hypocrite because you criticize others for enjoying moralfags then claim you enjoy 'several' of them.

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>>324213209
Guyver is legit.

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>>324213420
I personally liked the art evolution where Ken went from generally soft features and a lighter palette to having an extremely angular face and lots of dark shading.

I can't remember ifpic relatedwas from the anime or not. I haven't seen it in maybe four years.

>>324213530
I dunno, I just think there's a point where it reaches too much. Maybe I should watch it again.

And to be fair, some anime is ONLY good in filler. Like fucking Bleach.

>>324213215
The once-an-arc flashbacks to before the apocalypse show that Kenshiro did struggle to get to where he was now, and he explains why he's helping people during the fights with Souther and Raoh.

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>>324213578
I'm not being ironic or anything, I don't know who you're talking about, I simply enjoy W101 lewdness

>>324213603
Define moralfag and I'll find you an example of a good one.

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>>324209057
>>324212962
>>324213215

The entire moral hero archetype literally peaked at Kenshiro. I am not exaggerating. The entire summation of mankind's history of moral and ethical theory is approximated in him. They should've retired the archtype after HnK was done because nobody was going to surpass him.

>>324210000
But isn't Captain Falcon one of the few characters that had an anime in that game next to Marth?

>>324213656
I'm not a hypocrite. I'm a complex character unlike your moralfags. ;)

>>324202594
I don't see the appeal of your mom ;)

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>tfw Kenshiro's edgy step-grandpa got at most one anime adaptation and nothing else

Anyone have that screencap of Kasumi going "Hey, you talkin' shit about Hokuto?"

>>324213741
As you should, anon. As you should.

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>>324209695
>this game is for children
You're embarassing yourself acting like you actually know about the game.

>>324214449
>ohhh wow it make my peepee tingle it matoor for big boy like me :DDDD

>>324214449
>lel sex appeal is so mature
fucking child

>>324214536
You too?

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I admire /v/'s dedication at being utterly asshurt at a character archetype for over ten years.

>>324210140
Not even the guy you're talking to, but you are really coming off as some tryhard teen. Real adults are able to enjoy any character they want. Sorry if W101 doesn't gain you enough edge-cred.

>>324214791
>Everyone defending the archetype aside from two retards shitposting
>Apparently this means the opposite is happening
FUck off, revisionist.

>>324214865
Adults can enjoy moralfags.
That doesn't make their taste any less shit.

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>>324210140
>being this much of a tryhard on a mongolian puppet theater image board

>>324214886
SCrew off, loser!

>>324210140
Settle down edgemeister. I know it's the weekend but I'm sure you have homework.

>>324214886
>Everyone is on my side
>only two retards are against me

Moralcuck logic, I don't think you're looking at this thread too closely.

>>324212959
too many evers and evens

>>324214865
>>324214929
>>324215073
Spot the faggots who dont use the catalogue.

>>324214589
>lel cartoony graphics and humor are so immature
>i only play mature games for maturs gamers such as myself

fucking child

>>324215091
>Everyone is on my side
>only two retards are against me
Yeah, that's the logic you seem to be going with, amoralcuck.

>>324214926
I see you have no diversity in the characters you like. Are there really enough bandaged "HMMPH"ing edgemasters who just as soon kill a civilian as look at them in games to keep you preoccupied?

>>324214536
>this post came from a ""mature"" well-adjusted adult

>>324212760
how about don't be a faggot

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The real root of the moralfag hypocrisy is that their actions and decisions simply aren't founded in any reasonable human behavior, and make unbelievable and shitty characters because of it. The only reason they can do it is because they're given lolplot super powers and virtually never feel any repercussions for their actions.

As an example from the vidya. someone like Ramza typically isn't called a moralfag despite the fact he constantly makes decisions that benefit others rather than himself. This is because he constantly struggles and sacrifices to do what he wants. He loses friends, is forced to kill relatives, and gains absolutely no honor or fame for his actions until long long after his death. He's never shown as feeling superior for his "good" choices, he simply does what he wants to do for his own reasons and that's that.

Meanwhile, Delita who pushes for the same goals with completely different means is never really viewed as evil because at the end of the day his "selfish" actions are truly beneficial to the entire kingdom for generations.

Human beings aren't complicated, which is why moralfags are looked down upon, when they're somehow even more shallow than an already simple subject. Evil characters typically avoid the same stigma because the excuse is usually that they're lolinsane.

Honestly pretty sad seeing /v/ become pro-moralfag after all these years.

>>324215217
Excuse me? What are you even basing that assumption on? Of course I use the catalogue. I just read through the read.

In paged mode that post most likely wouldn't even have been visible.

>>324215248
I'd take Tony Soprano and Walter White over any of the moralfags posted in this shitty thread. Ever notice moralfag characters attract the most manchildren?

>>324215501
It's pretty sad you make these threads and save these copypastas after all of these years.

>>324215501
>/v/ is one person

>>324215501
we get it, you're edgy and think you're a cool person for siding with caesar's legion in new vegas. go away

>>324213802
Fag who goes on about "Muh morals"

>>324215705
>Ever notice moralfag characters attract the most manchildren?
Says the guy who idolizes two manchildren.

>>324215742
>>324215745
>>324215746

>Moralcucks can only ever resort of ad hominem

Why are these thread so awful? It's almost like there's a tiny handful of highly dedicated shitposters who seek out any thread like this and ruin it.
Nobody cares about your stupid crusade against people who don't like Kenshiro. Can we please just talk about the actual fucking topic you retards?

>>324212760
Since when was /v/ hardcore edgemasters? Good, evil, comical and all sorts of characters have always been well loved if the character is done well.

Go make some edgy fanart on deviantart.

>>324215841
/v/ always hated moralfags.

>>324215806
Says the guy who can only use insults whenever called out on just being an edgy teenager. If you were so adamant in your beliefs, you wouldn't let small insults shake them so badly to the point you need to use stupid buzzwords like "moralcucks."

>>324215705
You can like mature stories and characters while not likely them exclusively. Just like you can like morally black and white, cartoon tier stories and characters while not liking them exclusively.

Not everyone is a boring close minded faggot who hates fun, lighthearted things.

>>324215904
>/v/ is a hivemind

No, it was just one annoying avatarfag.

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>>324215705
>Ever notice moralfag characters attract the most manchildren?
As opposed to actual children, who edgemasters attract?

>>324215813
>Nobody cares about your stupid crusade against people who don't like Kenshiro.

What?
This thread was derailed specifically by people bitching about moralfags.

>>324208531
>letting lolsorandumxD losers ruin a character for you

>>324215904
t. Poster from 2010

I've only been here about 4 years.
What's this moralfag meme? Do people actually dislike these characters for being written in a simplistic way? Kamen Rider is a children's show, you know? It's not supposed to have complex moral messages.

>>324215806
>edgefags consistently grasp at straws and outright lie to keep themselves relevant
Sorry your aesthetic isn't as refined.

>>324215806
>cucks

As if you're any better.

>Haha cucks! CUUUCKS so funny maymay xDD
>JUST
>lololol xDDDD

>>324215742
>>324215813
I don't make these threads.
I just make sure they don't happen or succeed if I see them.

>>324216014
>>324215813

It was derailed by people on both sides being fucking retarded.

Protagonists who just kind hearted people and protagonists who are more grey and neutral are both good, both are interesting to read, watch, or play as long as the character and their struggle is interesting.

>>324215904
refer to >>324215745

>>324216116
Oh shit, so you're like Barneyfag. Yeah, that's pretty fucking sad.

>>324216087
Tell that Japan, he's hot shit over there, they write papers and books about him and he's heralded as a national symbol of legit heroism.
In the 70's grown men dressed up as him at protests.

>>324215502
>In paged mode that post most likely wouldn't even have been visible.
Ah but people would see it if someone else linked to it! Ergo the second two posters responded after seeing the first poster linking to the post in question from the front page.

>>324216014
Actually, it was derailed by people bitching about people bitching about moralfags, despite nobody actually bitching about moralfags. Some threads go the other way, being ruined by people bitching about people bitching about people bitching about moralfags, despite their being no people bitching about people bitching about moralfags in the thread at all.

It's a shitposting arms race. Kind of like that one guy who goes into Kamen Rider threads and starts bitching about this apparent presence ave of people who hate the Showa series without anyone actually having brought up that topic.

>>324215948
I bet you watch MLP.

>Just turn ur brain off bro I can enjoy le lighthearted things even if it's for little gorls

>>324215705
>Can't like different things

Why can't someone enjoy Breaking Bad and W101? You set rules for yourself limiting what you're allowed to enjoy, that's fine. Expecting others to do the same makes you a complete retard though.

>>324216304
But that's fucking wrong, did you even read this thread? The bitching about moralfags started all the way up at the top.

>>324216282
Okay? So probably at least one of the people you replied to uses paged mode. I know I don't. I haven't used paged mode since installing 4chan x like 6 years ago.

>>324216368
Wicked deflecting skills, bro. you can't win an argument so you change the subject.

>>324216419
>Having a reasonable opinion
Take a seat, you're playing this game incorrectly.

>>324216262
I think the argument's for the more recent Riders. After Ryuki, writers didn't try very hard to focus on the depth of their heroes so long as there was something to them to be quickly entertained by. There's a few exceptions, namely Ryotaro of Den-O and Tsukasa of Decade, but they're very circumstantial.

>>324216368
Go away Barneyfag, you god damn autist.

Moralfags should be villains. Absolute Justice isn't something the protag should be doing.

>>324216467
Then he's only half wrong and suggested the wrong start point, otherwise he's correct. It's always one way or the other.

>>324216419
Because if you recognize good fiction you shouldn't willingly stoop to enjoying bad fiction like W101. You can enjoy the gameplay sure but please don't pretend the characters are good or likable.

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I need more games that pay tribute to Kamen Rider/sentais. Name some good ones other than the Obvious VJ, w101 and Zettai Hero

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>>324216164
This. Execution is everything. Anyone laying down a blanket "____ characters are bad" has no perspective.

>>324216164
This is a sentiment that I mostly share. Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on Wonder Red? I thought he was a reasonable example of highly moral protagonist done well. Nothing he does seems out of character or completely unreasonable from a standpoint of motivations, and there were a lot of little aspects of his character that really resonated with me.

>>324216561
Recent riders are pretty good about that. OOO, W and Gaim all had pretty well fleshed out protags.

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>>324216669
ok

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>>324213741
Oh man, I'd sting her with my Valiantium blade.

>>324216669
So what is a good videogame character then?

>>324216504
Well I guess I'll let it slide this time. But that other poster is getting an official warning.

>>324216669
>thinks taste is objective

This is the problem with people like you.

>>324216714
>I thought he was a reasonable example of highly moral protagonist done well.

Then you're a fucking retard looking for shit that isn't there in a shallow action game where the story is literally just window dressing and the characters are one-dimensional.

>>324216669
Has anyone ever claimed that Wonderful 101 is a literary masterpiece?
It's an action game, anon. Stop being retarded.

Yeah OP, I hate things that are cool and fun too. Why can't everything just be shit like my taste?

>>324216845
People are making the claim that the characters are good. That is objectively false and laughable and you fucking know it.

>>324216724
They're fleshed out, yeah, but they didn't really try to convey much for messages about them. With Ryuki, while the overarching message was "Justice is subjective, and all thirteen Riders had their own view of the concept that was different from the rest, which allowed for fighting to start so easily" and each character was a different part of it, resulting ind epth from everyone except like... Verde, Gai, and Femme. And Ryuga.

>>324216627
This.
One Piece is an example. One of the major villains is a pure moralfag.

>>324216845
No, but DmC is totally a literary masterpiece. Donte is an edgelord and me and my friends and I really, really, really, really look up to him.

>>324212760
There was never anything wrong with Kenshiro, you faggot.

"Moralfags" are largely one-dimensional. They never stop to think about what they do, to ponder the meanings of right, wrong, good, and evil. They blindly maintain an arbitrary stance, and never display any hesitation in action. By this, they are unrealistic and unengaging, because they are not human.

The only ways to reconcile this tired archetype is to present situations where the moralfag is either proven to be a fanatic, and thusly becomes a villain or goes insane when their feeble perceptions collapse, or is forced to deeply reconsider his/her naive position for a more guarded, perhaps even hostile, stance.

And in the end what exactly are you preserving by being a hero? The only purpose we have is to make endless copies of ourselves through childbirth. We are all dispensable and insignificant, we are animals. I'm taking a neutral stance because the difference between "good" and "evil" in the end is an eyelash.

>>324216929
Yeah, if you're a fedora-wearing autist who thinks narrative qualities are universally objective.

>>324216929
What's wrong with them? They fit the story they're in. It's a campy superhero story and they're campy superhero characters.

Where's the issue?

>>324216929
It's not objectively false. You saying it is shows that you objectively have no idea what objective means.

>>324209057
>tfw this guy ruined akagi for you back then

>>324217037
So I guess you could argue the cast of Twilight are good characters from a certain point of view then huh?

>>324217132
They're all amoral pieces of shit, so I'm sure you'd love them!

>>324217132
Yep. Not my point of view, and certainly not yours, but for some 14 year old girl they're downright Shakespearean.

>>324217062
That IS the issue. They are fundamentally bad, poorly-written characters. Don't justify it with "THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BAD!" please.

>>324212268
>Even my barista is #onboard

>>324216669
W101 is good fiction tho. It literally accomplished what it set out to do and it does it reasonably well.

Is it good for a serious literary-type story?Nope.

Is it good for a simple heroic story to compliment a gameplay experience about colorful super heroes? Hell yeah!

>>324216714
Admittedly I haven't played the wonderful 101, my brother awhile ago told me I could borrow his wii u if I wanted so I plan to play at some point. As far as over the top heros (which I'm assuming wonder red is like) I enjoy them as typically their premises either will rarely or never take themselves seriously, and if they do have a serious moment then the character changes to more better fit the moment.

>>324216116
You are edgy and autistic, a dangerous fucking combination. Please kill yourself so that everyone stays safe.

>>324216929
This is quite a show, friend.

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>>324216627
Get fucked

>>324217224
They're not supposed to be bad, they're supposed to fit with the motif of the story while being entertaining personalities that coincide with the over-the-top goofiness of the game. As a result, they're also all over-the-top and goofy.

>>324217236
>W101 is good fiction tho.

kek

>>324217224
>hey are fundamentally bad, poorly-written characters
How? They fit perfectly into their setting and story. They're great characters.

>>324217236
Do you think Michael Bay's Transformers is 'good fiction' too because it accomplishes what it tries to?

>>324209057
>he doesn't like Kenshiro
>there are people in this thread who don't like Viewtiful Joe and Captain Falcon


This is the most disgusting thread I've viewed all day

>>324217318
Absolute justice isn't a good thing, you know.
Absolute justice disregards emotion, or any sort of ambiguity. Absolute justice says to disregard the details and just catch the perp. It also implies that the person dealing out the justice is the only one who can and knows what justice truly is.

Absolute justice is villain material.

>>324217451
>They fit perfectly into their setting and story.

Their setting and story is poor, cliche and full of moralfag tropes. Yeah it's "supposed" to be, but that just makes it intentionally bad. Still bad all the same.

>>324216835
>shallow action game

>>324216734

>>324217502
I like how you can never answer what you think good fiction is. You always deflect.

What is a videogame that constitutes good fiction.

And don't bring up KotOR2, IT'S FUCKING STAR WARS. It' also a shitty, incomplete game by a shitty developer who's writer is manchild.

>>324217236
People have this odd notion that all entertainment needs to be as deep and though provoking as possible and make you question your morals.

W101 is not meant to be taken serious at face value. People don't always want to play as Johnny Everyman that they can relate to. Sometimes it's fun to play as the insane, stubborn characters that are who they are throughout the story. Whether that's a good or evil character mattering is all up to personal taste. Seeing these characters clash with real world logic can be especially fun.

>>324217587
>Their setting and story is poor, cliche and full of moralfag tropes
What's poor about it? It's a campy super hero story. It's perfectly written and achieves what it sets out to do.

Do you not know what a genre is? Not every story is judged by the same guidelines, some stories have different purposes and goals. Simplistic =/= bad.

>>324217408
Haha yeah how can anyone think otherwise, right?

>>324217502
But it doesn't accomplish what it tries to.

They try to be fun action movies but there poorly directed over-produced snooze fests.

Try Hardboiled if you want a good action movie.

>>324217587
You just proved you're an autistic shit by not understanding the difference between "intentionally bad" and "intentionally over the top." The game is over-the-top, and as a result so are the characters. If the characters were grounded and realistic in a cheesy plot about aliens it'd just be stupid and THAT would be intentionally bad.

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>>324212268
I'd kill for a Guyver Dynasty Warriors, or something like Godhand.
But only if I can play as Aptom.

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>>324217586
> It also implies that the person dealing out the justice is the only one who can and knows what justice truly is.

When that's true to the setting there's nothing wrong with it.
Kamen Riders literally got erased from history in one movie but were all resurrected because Justice is an objective force they embody in the hearts of mankind.

>>324217587
>don't ever let yourself enjoy goofy or over the top things, compare them to real life situations and hate them.

>>324217586
I actually do like when villains believe they are the avatar of justice. That said, I also like when heroes are just that.

>>324217867
That's part of being an adult, you know? Around the time you stop watching cartoons?

You sound like you do 3 push ups

>>324213603
edgy

>>324217925
Around the time you stop playing video games. Around the time you stop enjoying Star Wars. Around the time you stop going to imageboards to shitpost.

I think this is more a question of Idealist vs Realist.

>>324217925
Around the same time you stop playing video games as well.

You can never boast about maturity while also posting on this board. THAT is an objective fact.

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>moralfag apologists on /v/

This place really is just fucked beyond all repair

>>324217502
>oh, you like thing x? you must also like infamously shitty thing x, too!

You are grasping at all the straws, god damn.

>>324217845
Well Kamen Rider is written to be campy, fun silly stuff.
But if we're talking about a proper 'story' then absolute justice isn't really a heroes trait. Absolute justice is all up to interpretation, usually based on the laws of a society, which are largely subjective and ignorant of any extenuating circumstances.
Dealing with a man who steals to feed his family, for example. Absolute justice says that he should hang for his crime.

>>324217247
You'd probably enjoy him then. The whole game has a sort of campy superhero Saturday-morning-cartoon sort of vibe to it, and the characters definitely match that tone. Red is the most serious of them though, but the other characters on the team tend to balance that out. The whole game was fantastic, the final boss blew me away. I doubt I'll ever feel as hyped going into the final level of any game as I did with W101.

>>324217586
Yes, there are many stories about where the antagonists justifies their point ad they feel what they are doing is the correct and right thing. Absolute justice is accepting and doing the right thing even if it goes against your belief, doing what we all know is humanly right.

>>324217925
Highschoolers believe they can't love childish things. When you enter true adulthood, you learn there is no real difference, and fear of being judged is the true childish thing.

>>324217925
No it's not. You can spend time worrying about what past generations found acceptable, I really don't. Being an adult means you can do what you want within the confines of the law.

FWIW I don't watch cartoons because I mostly don't want to and never really did enjoy most, but I do like games like W101.

>>324218002
Sorry you couldn't grow up and learn to enjoy the simple things, anon.

>>324218057
No, that's moral justice.
Absolute justice is doing what the law says is right.

>>324218002
You can leave any time. I'm sure they'd love you on some shitty forum about bugcatching.

>>324217925
Who cares, all mediums are capable of great storytelling. It may be rare in cartoons and especially video games but it happens.

>>324212364
Hand over that book!

>>324218002
It's sad that you refuse help. Go then, isolate yourself behind like-minded peers so you never have to challenge your world view.

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Both sides of this are wrong.

The amoralfags are wrong obviously because they're writing off an entire archetype regardless of context but also the people defending W101, which is a game that had no respect for itself or what it was attempting to reference.

If you actually look at the Japanese superheroes the game is based on they didn't treat themselves like a joke, Ishinomori was actually very serious about what he was doing, and none of his characters were stock characters just there to be goofy heroes.

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>>324217925
>that's part of being an adult

Fucking please.

People like you who are this desperate to appear mature and refined to your peers (and to a group of anonymous strangers) are the most childish motherfuckers of all.

Grow up and stop trying so god damn hard.

>>324218002
so you'd rather be a dick then? like, what?

>>324218002
>THESE people that like THIS thing need to leave this place!
Sounding a little Hitler-esque, Anon. But I doubt you have any qualms with that, huh?

>>324217925
You're saying this on a board - on a site created to discuss Japanese cartoons for children, no not any of the "mature" works you'd probably cite. Evangelion at most since Moot's an Asukafag, but that's meant to criticize otaku who are so adamant in the idea of "growing up" or "being normal." - dedicated to video games, a medium aimed primarily at children, where people in the most juvenile ways make MS Paint doodles of people they don't like and frogs they think are funny and spam them and their godawful opinions about which video game system is superior or inferior in petty, childish shitflinging contests where "winning" is just getting the last word and even if that "argument" is won, it gets disregarded in an hour when a new thread is made anyway.

You are the world's largest hypocrite, which is funny since you probably describe "moralfags" as hypocrites.

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>>324218164
The irony of course is that /v/ was the big anti-moralfag board for years.
The Reddit is real.

>>324218641
No, Akagi, it wasn't, no matter how hard you force this dumb meme.

>>324215904
this stupid debacle has been going on forever.
FOREVER

>>324218641
Cool meme.

Reminder that /v/ isn't one person and never was.

>>324218715
Nice revisionist history.

>>324218641
All this image shows is that /v/ hates videogames. Which is true. It became a joke, then a meme, and then it finally became truth. And then it became a joke again.

>>324218753
Says the actual revisionist.

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>>324218641
Just because you took part in a bunch of sounding chamber threads that echoed your existing views doesn't mean all of /v/ was what you were. /v/ was never one person.

>>324217925
Who do you think makes video games and cartoons? I'll give you a hint.

Most major vidya and cartoons are made by people in there late 20s early 30s. Indie shit is made by people even younger. Because they like it. You need to grow up.

>>324210893
>Poseman isn't a thing

>>324218641
You know, a pretty common sign of autism is a lack of self-awareness and believing your own mindset is the majority.

>>324218641
no, not really. bitching about moralfags was always a meme but there were plenty of people who knew y'all were just being retards

>>324218753
>f-fuck he pointed out how i'm wrong
>better accuse him of altering the past

>>324218641
Being full of shit posters that hate literally everything on /v/ doesn't prove anything. The fact that this argument even exists proves you wrong about /v/ being anti moralfag. It's always been this way, people post something and half of what comes next is desperate shitposters craving attention.

People have always had different opinions and arguments have always been long and for the most part stupid, /v/ is not and has never been a hivemind.

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>>324218641
pretty funny how not so long ago /v/ white knighted an honest to fucking god 3DPD so she wouldn't read nasty comments in a chat

If /v/ ever hated moralfags it's fully betrayed those ideals and become what it hated most. YOU are the Kenshiros motherfucker. YOU wandered the wasteland beating up savages to protect the girl.

>>324219147
Kenshiro didn't wander the wasteland beating up savages to protect a single girl.

He did to find said girl.

>>324218715
>>324218740
>>324218747
>>324218808
>>324218809
>>324218936

Name a single moralfag /v/ never hated solely because they were good guys

Kenshiro is out, Kamen Rider is out, hmmm

>>324219242
Part of the reason /v /always hated Ken was because he would often save women and girls from rapists / killers

>>324219248
Again, "/v/" is not one person. You god damn autist.

>>324219248
>implying /v/ didn't love the shit out of kenshiro back in 06

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>>324219248
>Name a single moralfag /v/ never hated solely because they were good guys
/v/ IS NOT A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON

>>324219248
all the characters i like because i'm /v/

>>324219248
>Kenshiro is out, Kamen Rider is out
And there's the deflection. You refuse to actually take suggestions by immediately saying "These guys don't count!" "Why?" "Because I say so!" with no actual evidence.

Oh, and you use that argument all the time, and every time you're proven wrong.

But go ahead, use "revisionist" again. Maybe "moralcuck." Or maybe you're just gonna cover your ears and refuse to take any answers.

>>324219335
And more bait thrown in immediately after so that in the event you know you could get proven wrong by someone here, you have something equally as, but differently audacious to draw attention to yourself and bait people instead.

Just stop posting, man.

>>324219365
>>324219390

>Implying /v/ isn't a perfect demonstrable example of groupthink

Nice try

Answer the question

>>324219335
Explain how any of that is any way a bad thing.

>>324219147
/co/ please, we hated Kenshiro ironically. Every tiny hidden toku thread was filled with sentai/kamen rider fans. We didn't hate the moralfags, not unironically at least

>>324219378
Watch out, anon, he's gonna call you a revisionist.

>>324219248
there will never be enough proof to prove either of us right or wrong since this is an anonymous image board that has been here since 03 and nobody will be able to tally all of that.

>>324219467
Because /v/ thinks Kenshiro should basically use his powers to be top dog warlord of the wasteland like Roah, take over, rape kill and destroy etc like /v/ would do with all that power

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>>324219452
>never hated solely because they were good guys
so you're saying /v/ hates kenshiro and KR solely because they're good guys? not because of any writing or character flaws? JUST being a nice dude?

>>324217586
>emotion and ambiguity are good things

>>324219452
Kamen Rider.

My reasoning? We have Kamen Rider threads all the time, most of the time asking if there's more games featuring characters like them or motifs similar to the shows.

If we hated him, we wouldn't be asking him all the time.

BUt I bet you'll make up some bullshit about how only Redditors did it even though I remember one dude back in 2006 even doing a screenshot playthrough of the Kamen Rider beat 'em up on SNES for /v/ and everyone having a blast.

>>324219452
considering this whole argument, their right.

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>ctrl+f "MvC"
>0

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>>324219427
Better listen to this guy, he's /v/, who I also am.

>>324219571
that's so sad
it's like a bitter, desperate, lonely highschool virgin's power fantas- oh wait that makes perfect sense

>>324219452
All of the worst people on /v/ are. Like you, for example.

Anyone worth a shit on this board isn't some sort of mindless lemming who regurgitates what the hivemind tells him to.

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>>324219581
>implies there's anything wrong with the way those characters are written
>Posts some /co/ shit

Hmm, who could be behind this post?

>>324208183
dante is an edgy teenager, bayo is a smug slut

>>324219452
>Every thread is full of people desperately arguing against each other
>Most of it comes down to, do you like it or not?
>thinking choosing one is an example of group think and not process of elimination

>>324219610
>every situation is black and white
>every situation has a good guy and a bad guy
>nobody could ever have a proper reason to do something you deem bad
>nobody could ever have an improper reason to do something you deem good

>>324219452
If it were, no one would be arguing with you. You wouldn't be presenting these inquiries.

Sorry, buddy, find a new echochamber. Maybe Tumblr would like you.

>>324219657
sorry.
>they're

>>324209108
That was to the gods of the F-Zero universe.

He also encourages his fans to fight him.

>>324219687
oh you posted some live action shit, better disregard your post!

also learn to fucking read, idiot. i'm asking if people have other reasons to dislike ken and KR because i'm unfamiliar with the series

>>324219720
Every situation is black and white unless you're a cuck to 'muh feelings'

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>>324219571
>being this much of a 13 year /b/ tier edgelord.

Stop.

I like destroying faggot anime swordsmen as CF in Smash, it's the best feeling.

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>>324219581

Kenshiro is the epitome of 'I am what I am' and the writers don't give a fuck if you have a problem with it. He's almost entirely self-actualized before the series even begins and what we're watching / reading is the result. He starts the series at a point where most protagonists end. I could be pretentious and say he's a deconstruction or some shit but once again the writers didn't give a fuck about that shit. He is what he fucking is.
And what he is is fucking based unless you're a degenerate or a libcuck (/co/)

>>324219571
If I had his power I'd basically do that. Less raping and killing, of course, but I don't see the point of being a morally white good guy when you have that much power.

>>324219835
Feelings are good anon. How are you gonna love your future wife and children without feelings?

>>324219845
Stop what nigger? I'm right >>324220019

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>>324219950
>Not fucking up anime swordsman as a fat Jew with gastrointestinal problems and a bad mustache
I love Falcon but if you gotta humiliate weeaboos with something a little more funny.

>>324219950
You know captain falcon could be defined as anime as f-zero actually had a anime.

>>324220019
being a warlord is too much of a pain in the ass honestly.
i'd rather just make the world stable so i can take a nap