>If you log out in the inn room, after logging in you will

Technology

>If you log out in your house, upon logging in you find you've evicted and are standing in the yard
>Beds in personal houses don't work like inn beds
>Technology

>>324165026
Be glad that you don't find desert people in your house after that

>>324165389
That's only the German version

>>324165026
>If you log out in your house, upon logging in you find you've evicted and are standing in the yard
Funny thing is, it wasn't always like that, but they changed it to that at some point, claiming that it was what limited their servers from being able to handle more houses.

Apparently storing the coordinates your characters logged off at takes a lot of capacity.

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>That awkward moment you're the only non-tank in the group.

>earrings you eqip are actually visible

>>324166475
How is ninja anyway?
I almost hit 30 lvl with my rogue, but I'm not sure that I will like gesture system

>If you log out in the inn room, after logging in you will realize there's still nothing to do
Cool.

>>324166034
>housing is server side

for what purpose.

>>324166662
>there's only like 3 different models plus retextures

>>324166034
I'm pretty sure it's so that they can delete the house if it isn't used in a set amount of time. Couldn't delete it if the player was still in there, after all.

>>324166673
It's fun and fast. Better have a decent connection though or your mudra end up failing half the time

>>324167154
I'm not a game developer, but wouldn't it take like 5 minutes to make a script that checks for characters with coordinates within the house and resets their coordinates to some default place before deleting the house?

>>324166851

So that you can see and visit other people's houses.

>>324167154
So why couldn't they move the player out, then delete the house if need be?

>>324166673

Hope you're japanese or european if you plan on playing NIN.

>>324167397
>>324167353

But that's what happens? I don't see what you're getting at.

>>324167383
You make an mirrored. server side instance for anyone who visits.

>>324167353
It probably does that as well. I imagine it's just a better safe than sorry thing in case one of them fails somehow

>>324167479
euro why do you ask?
>>324167304
How about monk?

>>324167546
It happens every time you log out. It only needs to happen when they delete your house.

>>324167578

Because japan and europe have their own servers while US players get connected to Canada, a notoriously shitty connection.

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Have they announced when they're going to make the game fun?

>>324167578
The general idea for mudra is that you should be able to do three inputs and activate during cool down for other basic actions. It's next to impossible to do without losing at least a fraction of a second on anything but a Japanese server though. It barely matters in all honesty though

>riding on your mount is accompanied by some sweet tunes

>>324167546
IF need be, they don't have to kick people out if they don't actually need to.

>>324163285
>if you look at how the armoury system is designed you'll see the they purposefully selected only the shittiest most useless skills to be cross class
Wow

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>>324167931
>turn off mount music within three minutes of getting my chocobo
>much later turn it on again for shits and giggles while riding a primal pony

>>324168025

Every archetype has a cross-class skill it NEEDS to fulfill even basic function. Tanks need provoke, dps need invigorate, casters need swiftcast.

Do you really want even more of that?

>>324168158
Yes. I want Raging Strikes and Straight Shot available to every class.

>>324168158
I'm gonna go a step beyond his complaint and say that no matter what they let us pick, everyone would pick the same optimal skills, since there's no place for unique builds in the game.

>>324167649
>Because japan and europe have their own servers while US players get connected to Canada, a notoriously shitty connection.

Still not as shitty as Australians connecting to Japan. My constant minimum 200 ms has made me extremely jaded when it comes to hearing other people complain about latency.

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>>324163285
>years after 2.0
>all gear is the same, just different iLVL
>attribute distribution is useless since hundreds of points are distributed for you compared to your measly 30
>Armoury System is a joke
>Materia is a joke as well since everything has invisible caps preventing you from specializing in damage or defence. You're forced to be jerkoff all trades
>despite the fact all classes are already set towards their absolute best, the majority of players are still shitters
>but now they can't blame "meta autism" or "build descrimination"

>>324168461
This familla. Besides I think that was the point of his complaint.

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>Been supped since the launch of 1.0
>3.1 hit
>Finish content
>3.15 hits
>Weapon grind again
>Unsub

Way to make a great game boring. I admit FFXIV 1.0 was majorly flawed, but it was never boring.

>>324169229
It was boring from the start
They somehow made game that was even worse than ff11
Good thing ARR fixed everything. Yoshida is somehow the only mmo director who released not shitty basic game in the last decade

How good are warriors guys?

>>324169463
Warriors and Scholars are the only fun classes in the game.

>>324169457
Most of ARR was just completing content that was already planned in 1.0. YoshiT is a hack and the only thing ARR had going was the massive amount of quests and MSQ. But even that goes to shit in between the end of ARR and the beginning of HW.

>>324169737
I've never played a tank class in an MMO so how hard is the warrior to play? A friend told me that the gladiator is retardedly easy but not as strong/fun

>>324170126
It takes effort and smart thinking to keep enmity at first, but after 30 when you get your tanking stance, tanking becomes braindead easy. The fun comes from popping Berserk and going ham during boss fights. Gladiator/Paladin is just the first part without having damage like Warriors. You will want to level Gladiator to 22 for Provoke, which gives you number 1 priority on the target's hate list immediately, and it's pretty required for 8-man groups later.

>>324170492
Thanks mate

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>He plays a tank other than DRK

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>>324171174
>He plays tank

>>324171174
I'll agree that it's fun to play only for the fact that if you fuck up, you REALLY fuck up. It teaches you how not to be a retard.

>>324171174
>>324171349
YOU USED TO PLAY PLD

(you used to you used to)

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>>324171349
>thinks there are tanks in XIV
Tanks in xiv are just low tier dps with aggro skills.

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Is SMN a good DPS class?

Are tanks or healers in higher demand at end game?

>>324171840
Isnt that what a tank is period?

>>324169457
FFXI pre Abyssa is the GOAT mmo.

>lvl 23 GLA

why is tanking so awkward

>>324172449
That's not a period. That's a question mark.

>>324172449
Tanks are supposed to have defense, not needing constant heals with trash mobs and dying in two to three hits vs a boss.

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>>324172616
>Think I suck at tanking
>Dislike playing tank
>Get all Healing and DPS classes to 50-60
Well may as well get my Tank classes to at least 50.
>Run dungon
>Feel like I shit up being a Tank.
>Defeat boss
>"anon, you are the best duty finder tank ever!"
>3 Commendations!
>MFW

Do FFXIV tanks just suck or something?

>>324172616
It gets better when you hit paladin.
Also helps to get additional skills from your other jobs for survivability if you need it.

>>324172616
Tanking is fucking bad until you actually get the tanking abilities. The defensive stances for tanks should be way lower level

>>324172919
Yes.

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>>324163285
>one of the few MMOs I actually enjoyed in years (fuck, the last one I really enjoyed was Ragnarok pre-rebirth/transclass stuff) Ignoring "not-massively" stuff like PSO, shit is fun as fuck even today
>it still isn't that great as a game because of the lack of an actual development direction (other that "lets do 2.0~2.5 all over again, but with less content per patch")
>can't play any other MMO for more than a few weeks before getting fucking bored
Call me when they release FFXI's Trust System, maybe with that available I will be a bit more interested in paying for a month or two to finish the story and other dead content.

>>324172086
SMN is good but don't expect a good "pet class", it is mostly focused on DoT spells.
Tanks are rarer than healers in most dungeon queues, but apparently every static (group of endgamefags trying to avoid randoms) already had their own tanks and healers, so they usually are looking for non-retard DPS players (harder to get than a Onion Knight/Puff of Darkness minion with Duty Finder's 5 hours long queues). It used to be like that, at least, I don't play it anymore.

>>324172616
1-2-3 until level 50
At least WAR and DRK have dots and other ability combos outside of main enmity combo, albeit they get it late, like 35 and such.

>>324172616
>lvl 30, just got PLD
Jesus fuck I am so sick of spamming flash and cycling through targets in the middle of my combo, if I go back to this job it'll be too soon. I hope MRD/WAR is better.

>>324173108
Well my point being classes don't start being fun til 30-35 and just goes uphill from there as you get more abilities

>>324172910
Lol what? Maybe in the modern mmo and ff11...

So what's the best class in each role in terms of raw output?

I'm under the impression that BLM is No Bullshit Just Damage for DPS, WHM is No Bullshit Just Heals for healers and Paladin is No Bullshit Just Defense for tanks (which just ends up being boring af)

>>324173154
MRD/WAR actually has damage, so it is fun. Also, you get two full combos rather than just 1.

>>324172919
Tanks are the first class people max. Once their done they move on to another. If there aren't enough new players, there aren't enough tanks. If there aren't enough tanks, PF takes ages. They're sucking your dick because they don't want less tanks. It's a sign XIV is just another dying wow clone.

If SE wanted to copy wow they should have just copied what wow copied. Fucking EQ, the same game XI copied. The same fucking game that made WoW and XI so damn successful. But now everyone just copies current wow which has deviated from it's roots.

>>324173280
Pretty much this. FF11 your healers had limited MP and if you ran out You are fucked, but since all 3 healing classes have like unlimited MP it would be boring and make healers useless if tanks could rarely be damaged.

>>324173412
they're*

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>>324172919
>be shitty dps(gear is shit, no materia)
>got almost killed because I decided to hit mob outside of dark knight aoe
>didn't even say hi at the start of dungeon
>Still got 2 commendations
okay...

>2016
>not playing a c@

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Why is the most you'll ever see in chat someone announcing a hunt? Leves are fucking boring as shit to do alone but if you look for a party no one fucking replies. I hate playing MMOs by myself, and don't like playing with randos in the Duty Finder who aren't even from the same server as me. I want more social shit.

tfw can't join an fc with hundreds of active users because I'm already in one with 10 irl friends who all only sign on at the same time as each other, which isn't when I'm playing most of the time

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>>324173307
It's more complicated than that, but Warrior is by far the best Tank due to their ability to do damage as a Tank. Dragoons are essential in parties due to their partywide crit buff, and while White Mages and Scholars are BFFs, Scholar is the easier and more fun choice to play in my opinion.

>>324173280
>Lol
>...
Wrong sub m8 :^)

>>324173307
Tanks? WAR until the others get either a buff or they nerf WAR
Healing? It depends on what gimmick you feel more comfortable with.
DPS? Raw damage? MNK but almost all dps perform about the same. I've heard people can have tons of fun as MCH or BRD and they do less damage than MNKS, and say MNK is boring to them at the same time.

>>324173280
>Maybe in the modern mmo and ff11
Is english your second language?

>>324173736
Linkshells, anon.

Would anyone like to see the Team make the major Cities bigger?

I felt they were much bigger in 1.0 and I loved exploring them.

>>324173487
>give healers more offensive and support options
>make their mp harder to manage without potions
>make their spells even stronger since mp is now a valuable resource
There. Once less shitty thing on an mmo filled to the brim with shitty things.

>>324172919
FFXIV tanks are typically a special breed of aboluste shit.

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>>324172919
Everybody fucking sucks in FFXIV, and since there is no midcore content and very few hardcore content, you are either a brain-dead casual or a drama-queen tryhard. You will go insane if you even try to do be something else and do a bit more/less than the minimal required effort to beat content since your party members will either do fuck all (/follow healers, 1-2-3-gotta-save-oGCD-for-later, etc) or will complain all day that you aren't a pixel perfect button presser because they are trying to hide the fact they also suck at DPS checks .

The only difference is that, as a non-tank player, you will be waiting 10~90 minutes for a tank to join your queue, so after you manage to get one, it is better to make sure he will continue playing as a tank for the rest of the game (or dungeon run, at least) by giving him /pets, commendations and Adventurer in Need bonus.

>>324174143
I hope they do, considering like how big HW areas are it would be nice to have a whole Gridannia or something

>>324174217
You would have to change how potions worked.

>>324174143
I want them to make Ul'dah great again.

https://youtu.be/Oquox8Wnag4

Seriously, why did they put in all this crap music when the first release had a great soundtrack?

>>324174285
I just miss the big areas from 1.0 in general. It really felt like an open world you could get lost and and one wrong turn off the road could lead to death.

In ARR one wrong turn off the road leads you too a wall.

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>>324174143
>design big ass city
>only able to explore about a fraction of what is shown in concept art
something something ps3 limitations
Also it would be a waste since nobody would really care to explore it all anyway.

>>324174434
FFXIV ARR has great music its just that 1.0 had better.

>>324174327
The only thing you'd need to change is the shitty caps and cooldown.

>>324174517
I sure the fuck would. I knew every twist and turn in most of FFXI's cities because of exploring them.

I spend lots of time in Selbina just because I loved that village so much. When it was referenced in the most recent FFXI even I got super excited.

So I started playing recently, and it honestly feels like there's more game to gold saucer than there is to everything else.

Also I really hate this feature gating system. When do classes turn into their actual FF classes(IE pug into monk)?

Also can I cheese gathering/crafting classes by finishing quests and challenge log shits with them?

How do people not fall asleep playing this game?

>>324174625
That would ruin any future potion based class.

>>324172910
Healing sure would be interesting if you had to heal the tank once per minute

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Where did he go so wrong /v/?
When did you stop looking forward to it?

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>>324174852

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>>324174143
>create a giant city with little to no loading screens, full of secrets and NPCs talking about silly things to make the city feel actually alive
>3 days later the city is a "ghost town" because every player is idling on the small village with zero loading times and every relevant service/shop a click away from each other
Sure, I would love some Verminion-tier content too, Yoshi-P.

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>yoship talking about sch's necessity being a problem
>those hypothetical ideas
>"fixing" shields by making it so their potency can't be buffed, and they can't crit

>>324174981
FFXIV 3.1

>>324172919
I literally had a GLA not using a shield earlier that didn't even attempt to hit every target he aggro'd. Then everything would dogpile the healer, and I would have to offtank as a melee dps.

>>324163285
God I miss the early days when crafting wasn't so shit, I had fun while it lasted.

>>324174793
Level 30 is when Job quests become unlocked. Quests only give experience for combat classes, unfortunately. The dev team keeps focusing on the Gold Saucer for some reason instead of working on the actual game, although I wouldn't mind them adding more to the Triple Triad aspect since that's fun when it doesn't have random bullshit rules.

>>324174923
>healers in any other mmo or rpg
>have an abundance of support and damage options
Well maybe the devs should stop being shit and stop "taking risks" by dumbing everything down to 0.

>>324175086
What was its name? I had it too and I think its a bot.

>>324175036
>Yoshi-P.
Why is he called Yoshi-P never got the nick name since his last name doesn't have the letter P anywhere in it.

>>324174852
Can't wait for Chemist. Would that actually be viable?

>>324175086
hell I had a gld that didnt use flash at all

granted he was a sprout and probably didnt know any better but even then when the entire party were giving tips he STILL DIDNT DO IT.

hell we had to rely on fucking Titan Egi

>>324175058
>Removing Adlo's crit boost

PLEASE NO THIS SHIT MADE MY DICK ROCK HARD

>>324175058
>sch's necessity being a problem
What's wrong with healers being good? Just make AST less ASS and there would be no problems.

>>324175330
I think so as long as you kept the current restrictions for everyone else using potions.

It would at least make Alchemist a useful crafting class.

>Somehow manage to play this piece of shit for 3 months
>Quit because there's literally nothing to do
>Go back to WoW despite the shit posting.
>Having a blast
Very happy FFXIV is dying, literally every other mmo is superior to it.

>>324175290
stood for producer

>>324175290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLSJM76w0v0

>That one Warrior who needs to announce how much his Fell Cleave did
>That one Warrior who has screenshot mapped to the Fell Cleave button

Are you that guy /v/?

>>324168158
>dps need invigorate
I got invigorate as a LCN, what are you getting at?

>>324175194
I STILL don't know what the fuck is going on with that plus ruling shit.

The way it's described is so ass backwards I can't think of it as anything more than magic that randomly wins or loses matches worse than any other ruling.

Also I've been doing all my class quests and hit 30 and did that one but I'm still pug? My main story quest is lagging behind though because it took forever to get all those fucking dungeons out of the way thanks to long ass queue times.

>>324174981
He still doing pretty good job
The only misake was ps3 release, should be pc and ps4 only

>>324173761
What about Astro?

>>324175418
But anon. Everything has to be homogenous and boring in XIV.

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>>324174981
>When did you stop looking forward to it?
Right after I figured out that Heavenward was a just paid patch.

>>324175547
Cross class skills bro, you level LNC to get invigorate then add it as a cross class skill to whatever DPS class can take it.

>>324163285
In 1.0 you would sometimes have dreams upon logging back in too.

I miss Haurchefant

>>324163285
>If I log out of the game while in my guild housing, I'll log back in standing outside
Fucking why?

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>>324175532
>no addons that autimatically announce fell cleave crits in chat
JUST

>>324175382
I like when Adlo crits in Thordan and Ultimate End does 0 damage.

How do we fix HW or FFXIV in general?

>>324174517
>spend time and resources making a giant city
>majority of said city ends up empty as people only congregate around the Aetheryte, retainer bell, and auction boards.

Look at Limsa and Ishgard. You never see anybody anywhere but in those above mentioned places.

>>324175286
No, it was a person, they were trying to be all high and mighty king of the group too.

>BE CAREFUL IN THIS AREA YOU MIGHT GET AMBUSHED BY MORE ENEMIES IF YOU DON'T STAND DIRECTLY ON TOP OF ME
>but you aren't holding aggro anyway and you don't even hit everything you pull
>AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CHANGE THAT

And then I tried to make him slightly better, to at least not get the healer killed.

Didn't work and at the end I got no commendations, but I bet he got one from every other shitter in that group.

That's another thing that pisses me off. Commendations in general only serve to highlight even MORESO playing with shitty players is shitty. Because it's just some extra arbitrary power people hold over you, and even when you go out of your way to help it just goes to show how they aren't even grateful for it. I mean it's one thing if it's just vague epeen points but there's alot of content locked behind commendation gates.

>>324175712
But what if I'm a DRG?

>>324175548
Did you equip your Job stone that he gave you?

Also, it's been awhile since I played Triple Triad, but I think Plus rules work by having two sides equal each other. Basically think on a card it looks like 1 up 3 right 1 down 2 left. On both right and left sides, the cards with a touching side have the values of 2 and 3. So, 3+2 = 2+3. When that happens, you capture those two cards. The Combo thing that happens afterwards is something that kind of just happens, but I think it happens if the enemy card is surrounded by cards under your control.

>>324175548
Each class requires 30 in its base class and 15 in another.

Monk is 30 pugilist, 15 lancer. You can get lancer by going to Gridania.

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Jobs

>>324175330
maybe have it like ninja mudras with like a skill being an ingredient and mixing and shit?

>>324175927
This kills the Thordan
>He just starts flailing his sword around like a prat whining that nothing's working

>>324167568
Now do this over the hundreds of thousands of characters every time they try to clear the cue and you've got a huge cost.

>>324173736
Those big FCs are probably just bloated with people that don't talk anyway. I joined one on Gligamesh with an alt and it had 100+. No one ever said anything.

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>>324175964
Make it more like Final Fantasy rather than the WoWfag pandering.

>>324175748
Im starting to think FFXIV would have been a better game if they had just kept tweaking 1.0 instead of rebooting.

FFXIV had so many great ideas just the core content was dull.

>>324176079
I was talking about Thordan Ex.

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>>324175625
AST? More like ASS!

>>324175548
>plus ruling shit.
Say you place a card between two others on your left and right ( O X O )

Left's value is 4, your left value is 8, you have 12

Right's value is 6, your right value is 6, you have 12

Both cards are flipped

>>324175994
That's because everything in Limsa has an aethernet right by it or is right at the Aetheryte.

Even the Maelstrom HQ is less than a minute's walk away and the market is right at the Aetheryte.

>>324176109
I joined a big FC. Everyone was talking I tried to talk myself and got a few responses but it seems in those FC's everyone's already in a clique so I ended up leaving and joining a smaller FC and I'm having fun with them.

>>324176161
Oh

I'm still struggling to i170

>>324176134
That's a good post.
>>324176138
I'll keep saying it, by the time 1.2ish rolled around XIV was a legitimately good game.

>>324176292
Exactly, so why bother wasting resources on building a city nobody will even bother traveling through?

The very first thing a player does upon visiting a new city is activating every warp point so they don't have to actually travel through the city later anyway.

>tfw senpai buying my sub
>we play on Behemoth
>he's rarely on and I've gotten to 32 pretty much by myself
>urge to join a not dead server with an alt continues to rise because goddamn Roegadyn looks like shit in every piece of gera

>>324171174
>Not playing WAR

Do you even triple fell cleave senpaichi

>>324175194
Triple Triad can't be saved. Right from the start it already lacked the charm of what made it great in Final Fantasy VIII.

Infact all these throwbacks to past games are so underwhelming compared to their original counterparts. Look at Gold Saucer as a whole.

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>>324175964
Drop the Warring Triad as next patches Primal fights.

Use them as and excuse to reboot the world and drop PS3 players.

Reboot the world into a more open world like 1.0 was.

>>324176536
I wasn't trying to make a case for or against changing cities, I'm just saying that's why Limsa's population is so concentrated.

>>324176287
Yeah, but how does combo work then? That's never fucking explained. And does it matter which cards are owned? It seems really fucking arbitrary to flip only the card that ISN'T yours. Because it literally just says "flips"

>>324176549
At least you can keep saying to yourself that at least you aren't a lalafell potato, faggot mancat or skin condition edgelord.

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>>324172919
It's ezmode getting commendations as a tank. Try doing the same as a DPS as we'll talk.

>>324176549
Do it m8, try and find an FC before you go over too if you can, there's a lot of helpful people out there.

>>324175625
Garbage, don't bother.

>>324176620
>Use them as and excuse to reboot the world and drop PS3 players.
>Reboot the world into a more open world like 1.0 was.

>This will never come to pass
Just fucking end me. Heavensward zones are a step in the right direction almost, but the engine fucking hates it.

>>324176028
Then you... have invigorate already?

>>324176620
You know eventually if we keep rebooting we're going to get to.

4.0

>>324176674
7 (8) 9
4 (5) 6
1 (2) 3

The middle column are all cards that are under your control. You place a card in the 5 space this turn, and it captures cards 4 and 6. Since cards 7, 9, 1, and 3 are isolated and surrounded by your cards, they are now captured as well.

>>324176674
Combo happens on the same rule, but goes off the initial flipped card. If you flip a card on a plus 12, it'll flip another card that adds to 12.

>>324176795
I keep hearing how hard it is to join Balmung and Gilgamesh though and apparently those are the only two highpop servers.

>>324176717
>skin condition edgelord
Eh?

>>324176734
It's not that hard if you just keep quiet, cover your combos, and get the tank's back when he fucks up.

>>324176529
I was enjoying 1.23b.

>>324175469
>Go back to WoW despite the shit posting.
>Having a blast
Why do you come in to a thread just to false flag?

>>324176974
>Eh?
Au Ra

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>>324173092

If that's the case I'm going to continue with Arcanist then. I've never played a pet class before this game so it's different. Also, it appears that SCH and SMN can switch at any time and their playstyle doesn't seem that different.

>>324176974
>I keep hearing how hard it is to join Balmung and Gilgamesh though and apparently those are the only two highpop servers.
You just neeed to try early in the day is all. There's quite a few higher population servers, it's just that those two are overpopulated.

>>324177056
>Why do you come in to a thread just to false flag?

Welcome to /v/ and a good deal of the rest of 4chan

>>324177073
Oh. Nah, if I switched I'd probably do Elezen male or catgirl

I don't have HW.

>>324176845
Heavensward areas were just bloat to give you a reason to want to unlock flying as almost all of them were designed to be pain in the asses to travel through on foot, especially Churning Mists and Azys Lla.

>upwards of 2 hours worth of traveling, cutscenes and forced fights to unlock flight in Azys Lla
>turns out there's actually jackshit there in the end once you can freely explore

>>324177103
If you're gonna do that, pretty please put your pet on Obey and learn to manage it.

So sick of enemies being blasted away by people who leave their pets on Sic.

>>324177273
Yeah, I meant just in terms of size. It'd be great to have more things to do in the zones that aren't hunting marks though.

Also, aether currents are cancer.

>>324177202
>elezen
good taste

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>>324177273
My lord this.

I was so excited about bigger areas and flying, and they fucked them up so fucking bad....

>>324177103
Summoner and Scholar play differently enough that you can't do the same thing as both classes besides applying DoTs. They also have different main stats to put points in so you can't really switch freely back and forth between them without carting a bunch of those items that let you reset stat points. You'll also need completely different equipment for each class past a certain point as equips stop being 'one size fits all' in terms of stats for all magic classes.

>>324177103

I got my summoner to 50. It's a pretty fun class. There's also some fates you can solo that other classes can't.

Only downside is it leads to a lot of tunnel vision to see if your CDs are up, cause you get a good amount of them.

>>324177178
How's leviathan on terms of pop/bein alive? It hasn't seemed too bad when I've been playin.

>>324173412

This is some wise ass mystical mmo hermit knowledge right here famiglias

>>324177581
Wait what? I assumed stat points were for each class as you leveled them? How hard are resets to get? Did I goof by throwing all my points into strength as a pug? Will I need to respec them to tank or anything?

>>324173761
>Scholar is the easier
How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
SCH is one of the most execution intensive classes in the game. WHM is considered easy mode when compared to all classes, let alone SCH.

>>324178426
>I assumed stat points were for each class as you leveled them
Yes and summoner and scholar are both under the arcanist class.

>>324178426
SCH and SMN are the only ones that share stat points since both have the same base class. STR on PUG/MNK is what you should be doing. Those reset items are really easy to get, only cost 200 company seals.

>>324178726
Oh, alrighty then.

>>324178853
Well in any case what stats should I go for on tanks when I roll them? Is damage more important or vitality? Or does dex increase evasion or anything?

>>324178705
SCH is easier from 1-60 as your pet will heal plenty.

Any endgame content require you to control your heals and DPS as well as your pets.

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>you get a dragoon in your party

>>324178705
It's usually because, as a Scholar, they aren't the main healer in a group. Even during dungeons, a good scholar can make the fairy do the majority of the healing while the Scholar himself does damage. Also, White Mage always felt like it had less tools and resources than Scholar when I played it. The fairy really does make all the difference.

>>324175625
confirmed OP as fuck in pvp. In pve don't bother

>>324177103
>post-aether Shtola a qt

>>324179143
how so?

>>324179014
From doing MSQ content everything into Vit is fine. Once you get into endgame hell it becomes more complicated as people start bitching if the tank and healer aren't dishing out DPS along with the actual DPS classes so you may have start getting strength accessories at that point.

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>>324179085
>he's a shitter
>btfo him with MNK
>please Rhalgr
>bang Yda

>>324167074
>he missed out of the limited edition earings

>>324179085
>You get a shitter in your thread

I bought a house that got demolished because the owner was inactive but while I love the house I'm not feeling the pressure of having to log in every month and a half. What if I want to take a break at some point?

Should I just resell the land and make some money off of it? Small houses typically go for 10M or so right? I hope when they add apartments they don't kick you out while inactive since they were supposed to be enough of them for everybody or something.

>>324179014
DRG/MNK - STR
NIN/BRD/MCH - DEX
WHM/SCH/AST - MND
BLM/SMN - INT
WAR/DRK/PLD - VIT, use STR accessories
I might have INT and MND mixed up, I can never keep those two straight.

>>324179410
My nigga. Shame all the MNK quests aren't even close to the PGL stuff with Hamon

>>324179486
If you aren't playing it or plan on playing it for prolonged periods, why get the house anyway?

>>324179372
They put on nocturnal stance and shieldspam everything constantly. Plus they have Lightspeed and essential dignity that can crit heal even the beefiest tank to full.
They are hilarious to kite melees with in pvp
Vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H74esQJT60

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>Be a level 60 paladin
>do dungeons
>people bitch at how slow paced I am
>they wish I was a warrior or drk

I ...I just want to tank not DPS like a fucker...
This feels like FFXI when everyone wanted a NIN over a WAR/PLD....

>>324179410

>dragoon has full 210 including weapon
>I'm mostly 210 with a 190 ring, 200 boots and weapon
>beat him by over a couple hundred dps even with the ast favouring him with balance and arrow cards out the ass

>>324179617
Hamon is a massive fan favorite, I really hope they bring him back in some way or another

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>>324179716
>stop it
>Yda can only get so moist

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>>324179486
You'll most likely have to pay rent for an apartment too, it's a way to keep good goys subbed using their house as a hostage it's not working, the game is still losing subs hard every day.

>>324176734
No, try getting commendations as a Dg

>>324179410
>WE WUZ MONKS
>MUH ALA MHIGO

>>324179125
>a good scholar can make the fairy do the majority of the healing
No they can't. A proper <mo> macro on embrace can account for a lot of it but there will still be a ton of stance dancing.
I'd even argue the <mo> macro adds to the amount of execution.

>White Mage always felt like it had less tools and resources than Scholar when I played it.
WHM has way fewer tools but it can make use of those few tools quite well. SCH has like 15 different OGCD moves that all do different things that you have to use in a split second. Way more difficult than the 4 button fix anything that WHM has.
WHM also has fewer DOTs to juggle and no Aether mechanic.

>>324179705
Endgame sucks as everybody just wants to speedrun everything. Paladins aren't really built for gofast so they get shit on.

>>324179623

I suppose I just really wanted one. I had fun playing around with it for a bit but since I didn't have to buy it from someone else I suppose I can still make some money back.

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>>324179847
Easy

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>>324179931
Yeah man It fucking sucks, I'm just leveling a DPS, but losing interest really quickly

I already have WAR monk, bard, drg to 50, leveled them up before expansion, and I dont want to level them up to 60...50 to 60 with out story quests are a bitch

>>324179742
>talk to other guild leaders
>some gay shit
>talk to hamon
>He talks about chasing girls

BEST LEADER

>>324179881
Go suck Estinien's spear Brown Dragoon

>>324179881
Yda's Sharlayan like the rest of the Archons, and anyone roleplaying as an Ala Mhigger should be shot on sight.

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>>324176138
>>324176529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2QFM2a8PQ

That's because 90% of the stuff added until 1.23 was created under Tanaka, they just didn't have time to polish it and finish it until later patches. Yoshida The Hack just told them to finish whatever was further ahead in development, while he worked on his WoW reskin in the background. A bunch of unused concepts also carried over to 2.0 like Free Companies and to 3.0 with Ishgard, but now that he ran out of 1.0 ideas, Yoshida's incompetence truly shines.

>>324180190
>50 to 60 with out story quests are a bitch

50-60 nowadays is a fucking joke. I've gotten 900k exp from a daily low level roulette, and 400k exp from a daily trial roulette.

to go from fresh 59 to 60 now takes 3 runs of library and about 4 fates, assuming you have rested, FC exp and food running, which you should if you haven't leveled everything.

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>>324180190
>being a little bitch
it's easy as fuck now that they buffed dungeon xp out the ass.

>>324169457
>Good thing ARR fixed everything.
lol

>>324180471
i's also not a problem if you are not in a hurry. I just did trials and Vanu Vanu quests, and the occasional levelling/50 roulette when I could be bothered. Took like 2 weeks to get from 50 to 60, but was painless.

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>>324180462
>>324180471
I didn't know since I stopped playing in december, thanks for the tip

>>324180421
Yda is just a pugilist not a monk, monks are ala mhiggers.

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>someone gives you money
>don't spend it all in one place now!

>>324180848
You can basically earn a level per day doing only the applicable roulettes (level50, low and trial), centurio hunt marks, and the new vanu vanu beast tribe quests (which once ranked up give you more exp than main story does).

>>324180920
>You will never rebuild the Sect of Light while training Yda as Widargelt whines some more about this and that and continues being the biggest nothing ever

>>324165760
Underrated post

>>324176063
>only DPS skill is "craft potion"
>all other skills are self buff remade potions or ingredients you combine to make your craft potion ability have different outcomes


Or the class could just gain passive "ingredient" buffs that activate after using certain skills that can be combined together to make shit, like a magic version of greased lightning.

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>remember all those hourly threads made on /v/ before heavensward
>mods at one point had to step in
>Heavensward turns out to be a flop

Was it really worth the spam?

>>324181492
i almost miss it, it's not fun when the game is so shit that it isn't even worth arguing over.

>>324172567
First time through CoP was amazing and I wish I could go back to experience it again.

>>324181492
Of course it was. Watching hype snowball to the point of obnoxiousness is always fun, especially if it ends poorly.

>>324181492
Yes because of how ass pained people got about the constant threads then and how rump roasted the players themselves are now

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>>324181126
>Yda your raptor stance is a little off
>Here, like this

>>324181492
>Heavensward
>Flop
Not really, the problem with Heavensward is Yoship listening to the fucking whiners.

Same shit that happen with WoW pre-lich king

>I just wanted to side with empire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h8TKeXk5eA
Too bad, Tanaka wanted to have another generic villain
;_;

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>>324181492
>that player drop between 3.0 and 3.1
>B-B-B-B-BUT THAT JUST MEANS NO ONE'S DOING 3.1 MSQ BECAUSE IT DOESN'T UNLOCK ANYTHING!

HEAVENSHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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Is there any chance we'll see FFXI's classic sense of fear make its way into XIV? Are dangerous mobs even feasible in a modern-MMO setting?

As in, I'm just wondering if it's likely that we'll ever see XIV in later expansions with the additions of completely new areas try to emulate that sense of foreboding you would get in FFXI when you'd have to try and cross a zone to your destination?

Or, does something like that already exist in some facet of the game I've yet to experience? I totally get the importance of Aetheryte Crystals located in every single zone in the game, and why they're needed, but part of me wishes that later expansions would kind of force us to band together like we did in XI. Basically, as the game continues on with future content updates and expansions, I'd really like to see veteran players have to adopt a more hardcore playstyle just to continue progressing through the main quest.

Maybe sections of Eorzea that go on for zones and zones without any sort of Aetheryte crystal that you can attune to? Or airships that you have to use to cross these zones in real time?
I mean, maybe I'm just rooting around in my own nostalgia here, but is there a chance the more hardcore portion of the community--who have made strong bonds with friends and play with a regular static--would be interested in a slower and possibly more traditional MMO progression curve?

Anyways, just wondering what the community's thoughts would be on such a thing. Sorry if this is an annoying question. I love XIV and all that, but I guess I'm getting a little fatigued by XIV's gameplay loop by now.

>>324176620
Fiend IS the next primal battle

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>>324166475
>MCH turrets use the same icon as carbuncles

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>>324181843
>NA players always the lowest
>their face when they don't realize they're the problem and the laughing stock of the XIV playerbase

>>324181957
any sense of danger introduced in a game that has had its playerbase' hand held throughout the entire game would be a disaster

this mmo has without a doubt the least skilled playerbase out of any mmo out there

>>324181957
FFXIV's overworld will never be a threat thanks to ilevel creep.

Maybe if they unfuck Diadem you might get something like that.

>>324181957
>ff11
>dangerous mobs
Lol, it's already was casual hand holding shit compared to any mmo on the market

>>324181957
>Is there any chance we'll see FFXI's classic sense of fear make its way into XIV?
No. They touted "dangerous mobs in the open world" prior to FFXIV but really it just meant they had a bit more health relative to you than the ARR mobs

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>>324181957
>Is there any chance we'll see FFXI's classic sense of
No. It's apparent that Yoshi hates FFXI because he won't let anything good from that game get into his WoW clone. He hated it so much that he had to "fix" FFXI because it "doesn't work in the current market" or whatever bullshit reason there was for changing it.

>>324181957
no nigga why would you expect something so misaligned with the game so far into it's lifespan to be added?

I want the same shit you do but don't hold your breath. Let's hope BDO is unfucked for western release or dragon's dogma online comes here.

>>324181765
I'd rather work on her Coeurl form, if you know what I mean.

She's gotta get used to working with GL3

>>324179836
My parse hit over 600 more than the party DRG against Thordan and his goons

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>>324182024
Beta tester here with some hot scoops about this upcoming fight it'll be in a circular arena and will have at least one rehashed mechanic from another previous fight.

>all this latelly ffxiv threads
>i was supposed to resub this weekend
>everyone and their mother failed me
for fuck sake i just want to play
but everything keep gettin on my way
maybe lady karma dont want me to play

>>324182337
It's for your own good, the game is shit.

>>324182337
You must have some good karma, then. She's trying to help you out.

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>Have spells like Fire, Ice and Thunder
>They don't do any elemental damage
>In a mainline Final Fantasy game

Only the WoW fags who have never played XI or any other Final Fantasy game would defend this.
>Fire II
>mfw

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>>324182332
I loved their thought process with Thordan EX

>lets take every mechanic we've ever done
>and put it in one fight

Is there anything worse than FFXIV shills?

You act like this shit is some fucking mindblowing technology never seen in a video game before.

Literally the worst fanbase on /v/.

>>324182605
All fanbases are the worst. They should be exterminated like the vermin they are.

>>324182332
Will the icons be similar to ones we've seen before but they do a completely different mechanic because Yoshida is inconsistent with what icon does what?

There's like 50 different stack together icons.
and /v/ defends this.

>>324182605
It's mostly new people who defend this game, not many people play this game for a long period of time.

>>324182605
Go back to wow with your DOS technology granpa

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>>324166662
>>324167074
>>324179412

>equip various swords/armors/accessories
>character items remain unchanged

ANTI-TECHNOLOGY!

>>324182570
They forgot the tank debuff into forced tankswap mechanic.

>>324182753
How can you recommend someone to go back to WoW when you're already playing WoW yourself?

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>>324179410
>dumb whitey
>Not pleasing many gods and banging asian goddess

>>324182226
>ff11
>anything good
For people who don't know and could fell for this ruse
Final Fantasy 11 was poor EQ clone what took worst parts from it without anything good, imagine EQ without different classes, dangereous world and sense of exploration. It's kinda like TESo to the WoW
No one except weebs liked ff11, and western player base was so terrible that japs still treat us like we treat BR players

>>324182605
>Literally the worst fanbase on /v/.
Nah, not as long as Smash exists. Nothing can be worse than Smash.

>>324182605
Neptunia fans are the worst since that game is literally shit and only good for fapping.

New Final Fantasy XIV players atleast realize the game is shit once they reach a certain point.

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> wake up in the bed
> subscribers still lower than WoW even with Warlords of Draenor

>>324182903
literally who

>>324182605
I haven't seen a single person defend it. The entire thread is all circlejerking about how bad it is.

>>324182252
>>324182226
>>324182219
>>324182204
>>324182163
>>324182148
So hearing you all attack the idea bums me the hell out, but I do dig the fact thet some of you are obviously interested in a more focused gameplay loop.

I know the development staff for FFXIV at the very least listens to player-feedback. If we just started talking about it more often would that do anything? Or is Yoshi and staff so deadset on recycling the current gameplay loop that FFXIV is gonna be the same until it starts to die? And then they'll just throw a bunch more amusement park gimmicks at us instead of genuinely creative change like Blizzard did with WoW?

>>324182903
>Ala Mhigger
>White

>>324183114
>I haven't seen a single person defend it.

Is this literally your first day on /v/?

>>324182916
I thought you were going to talk about FF11, but you ended up describing FF14.

>>324182605
>>324182993
>what are Undershits

>>324173092

Same here actually. My main problem with FFXIV is the WoW-mentality of most of the players in the game about raiding it really sucks.

>>324183019
Muh diiickkkk

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>>324182226
It's a shame Yoshida dick sucked and hacked his way to corporate executive of the entire MMO division. His meddling with XI lead to Nexon being chosen to make the mobile port. It's a good thing Matsui is at least a far more competent director than Yoshida, so even with Trusts and other casual additions ordered from the higher ups like item levels, he made them work and mostly fit, so XI is still in a far better shape quality wise than XIV will ever be.

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>>324183215
don't be so fucking stupid

>>324183272
My problem is the incredibly slow and boring combat, the HUUUUGEEEE amount of instancing in the game, having to accommodate every single feature of the game for the PS3 which drags the game down, and the fact that the only reason most people are subscribed to this game is to sit in their house and stare at their female cat character in a bathing suit.

>>324183215
Who's defending it you fucking aspergers

>>324182148
>introduce open world pvp
>people are so cowardly that they would probably rather unsub than obtain even a small amount of skill to not get killed
Man i loved this game back in 2.2, but the longer i played, the more I begin to despise the playerbase.

>>324183178
The WoW fanbase is bigger than the Final Fantasy fanbase. FF12 and 13 initially burned me out on the series, and I tried 14 thinking it might be as good as 11, but it just made me realize that the series is not going to be good again anytime soon. If more people think like me, then it's easy to see how WoW players would flood the forums so that Yoshi only sees their feedback and not that of FF fans.

>that feel when despite FFXIV being shit, there is no other modern MMO that is any good

Is the only way to have fun with MMOs is to play old ones like old school runescape and pre-renewal RO?

>>324182496
The worst part about it is there's an entire elemental wheel, with enemy attacks actually doing elemental damage. But raising your resistance results in such a laughably small damage reduction that no one bothers.

It doesn't help that there's basically no horizontal gear progression.

>>324183524
I reiterate, is this literally your first day on /v/?

It must be, because for well over 2 years FFXIV shills have spammed the everloving FUCK out of /v/ trying to get people to play their game. The sad part is most people fall for this trap, then about a month or two later realize what a fucking shitheap of a generic game it is and get angry at themselves that they fell for the meme.

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SOMEONE POST JACKET PHYSICS WEBMS I'M ABOUT TO CLIMAX AND I NEED MY FIX

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Alexander
>A massive castle
>Uses the holy element
>Looks intimidating with the exception of XIII
>Stands so fucking tall

XIV
>Sleeps in a lake looking like a loser trying to crawl his way out of a lake
>Nothing but a glorified fortress for the Comic Relief Beast Tribe race
>Doesn't have the holy element because WoW players aren't familiar with Alexander
>Generic Steam Punk
>Faust's and dolls are just model swapped Sahagins

Why did /v/ let this happen?

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>>324183061

>>324183792

Why did XIV do a lot of things wrong?

>>324166851
So you can't inject items into your house. So you can see and interact with others houses.

All it would take would be "check user is in house -> log in inside house instance in bed" so who knows why this isn't implemented

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>>324183634
I just wanna play a game like XI again, anon

>>324183849
I say again.

No, I just haven't taken NIN past 31. Should I work on it once I've geared my MNK some more?

>>324183325
It's funny how the FFXI team was able to make a good game despite being limited by the PS2 while FFXIV's team can't even with the more technologically advanced PS3. I'm actually thinking of resubbing to XI again over XIV because there's just so much to do at every level.

>>324182570
that actually sounds like fun

>>324183915
Because Yoshida's "I love Final Fantasy" line when he was crying was just crocodile tears. He's upset he didn't think of World of Warcraft first.
>>324184018
/ffg/ has a linkshell that's really good, no memes or shitposting just people wanting to play the game.

>>324182605
>criticize the lack of build variety
>they defend it by claiming everyone is a shit eating meta elitist so that somehow makes variety stupid

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>>324183792
I told you the game would turn into a shitty WoW clone since the 2012 Gamescom screens and the combat's bait and switch, but you didn't listen.

>>324183990
TESO
Wildstar
Any f2p mmo
It's looks like you want to eat some shit, so you have many options:)

>>324183990
Move to Japan and play DQX.

>>324183178
The idea isn't being "attacked", you're being told there's no chance it'll happen in a game this hellbent on handholding.

>>324183990

I am very depressed I completely missed out on FFXI but I did have a lot of fun with RO in high school. I would love the opportunity to play with XI in its prime or something similar, but MMOs just keep degrading and I am afraid that will never happen.

>>324183676
My bad I forgot how fucking dense people are:
I haven't seen anyone in this thread defend it.
Is autism under control now? Remember your fucking medication

>>324184192
>DQX
>Anything like ff11
Another retard

>>324184224
>I haven't seen anyone in this thread defend it.

That's great, but if you re-read my posts you'll see I never made such a claim in the first place.

>>324184295
Including yourself there?

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>>324184057
It was.

>Petrifaction from 2 sources, T6 tethers, Ramuh lighting, ground aoe and a massive ground boss cleave.
>in sequence

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>>324184175
One of the screens released just 5 or some months before that one, still showing 1.23b's combat in place.

I love nostalgiafags

>>324184006
If you want to play another melee why not?

I've been leveling monk and at 32 it's tons more fun than ninja at 60.

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>>324184418
And of course the original concept, with pre 1.19s combat.

>Dropped FFXIV
>Resubbed ToR

If im just going to play a glorified single player game I may as well play the one with the better story.

>>324166475

gotta farm those mounts

Ultros

>>324184607
>Bioware doing story better than anyone

Top lel. I could only stomach so much TOR simply because SWG was dead.

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>>324184536
>TFW FFXIV 1.0 could have turned into that.
>TFW we got FFXIV ARR..

>>324184057
uh oh, you're not supposed to use the f-word on /v/

>>324184906
Tells you how bad FFXIV ARR story is.

>>324184956
I still retain 1.0 would've been successful if SE included consolebabbies from the start.

>>324184418
>>324184536
What is the difference.

Actually what is the fucking difference

>>324185143
Or excluded them...

>>324184906
>one retard thinks that ddx is anything like ff11
>another somehow manages to compare SWG and TOR
Wow

>>324185047
ARR story perhaps, the palace betrayal was animated almost as badly as any scene in TOR. Heavensward stepped it up a fair bit, and Thancred's return scene was pretty good.

Though, whenever I think the cutscene animations are bad, I remember any extended sequence with violence in TOR or the scene where the agent starts hallucinating. Gives me a right giggle m8

>>324185324
I didn't compare them, you retard. I just needed a star wars fix, and TOR was the only thing on hand. Kept me for a good 80 hours though, and the people were a lot more social than XIV.

>>324185415
>Implying Heavesnsward stepped up anything.

HS is why FFXIV is dying.

>>324185176
Pre 1.19 combat: use manual attacks to build TP, you can see them set on 1 and 2.

Post 1.19 combat: build TP from auto attacks or throwing items. Basically XI's system but faster and it still had oGCDs.

3000 TP limit on both, eventually they raised XI's TP to 3000 too. There was no 2.5s GCD either, all abilities were on their own individual CDs.

>>324184536
>7 inventory slots
Fuck you YoshiT. Somehow paying an extra fucking dollar a month fixes the "server limitations". Bullshit.

>>324185560
The gameplay is why it's dying, not the story. In fact, the story was pretty much all that kept it alive.

>>324185696
By oGCD I meant attack abilities that didn't use TP like Jump. 1.X didn't have really have a GCD and neither does XI, it had server lag but if there was a GCD it was 0.5-1s at best.

>>324185840
This tbqh familla.

>>324185560
>implying the road trip with your dragoon buddy, ice bitch elf, and fanboy fagboi wasn't fun.

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>>324185696
God I loved that battle system.

Urge to download a FFXIV 1.23b private server increasing.

Played FFXIV from Crystal tower to that shitty casino...the saucer patch pissed me off so much I unsubbed and went back to EVE.

>>324185324
Maybe less people would compare two games made by the same team if they allowed non-Japs to play it.

Why do you fags keep insisting on making threads on /v/

Go back to your containment
Your game is shit
The community is shit (because you kept sucking Yoshi's cock it reinforced attracting the same shitters over)
You're shit

Get gud and stop being fuckbois

>that feel then no server like Nostalrius but for XI

So now 4.0 is a good game then
The stuff people will say just to shit up the thread

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>Tempted to resub
>Remember I'm only level 53 and still have 700 hours of tedious fetch quests to suffer through until I get to actually enjoy raiding and gearing again
>Also remember the travesty they made Bard into

>>324168792
>3.2 rolls around
>All the changes ensure that you still just build for maximum damage
>Crit and Det are king
>Everything else is trash
>Why even have stats on gear?