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>Likable MC
>Likeable support cast
>combat engine is easy to learn without having to rely on 2nd year statistics to maximize damage
>dual language options
>only con is they censored the opening song

/v/ irrationally hates something again to be contrarian
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Is there a mod to replace Rose with Alisha yet?
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>>324074817
>Likable MC
>Likeable support cast
That's bullshit and you know it.
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>>324074817
Fuck OP, can we get a Tales thread going?
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>>324075043

tales of grace fanboy spoted
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>>324075295
That one has a shit cast too, most tales of games do.
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Every single tales game is the same fucking shit. Plus, how can they even dare to throw out such shitty NPCs and graphics in 2015? Absolutely disgusting.

>follow a fence
>suddenly invisible wall
>fence hovers further into the area you can't go to, not even touching the ground anymore.
I really hope they pull the plug on this uninspired and insulting shitfest, that is the tales franchise
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>>324075757
and here we have the "Tales is the CoD of JRPGs" poster. This time he also doubles as the "muh graffix" poster.
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>>324076392
>stop oppressing me
He didn't even mention the generic plot and bland characters.
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>>324075295
>>324075476

the best cast in any tales game bar none is abyss because they actually are characters that interact with each other in ways that aren't sucking each others dicks in a big hugbox
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>>324076664
dont know how you got to oppression but whatever you say, bud.
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>>324076870
this to be honest :/
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>>324076771
>you will never play an Abyss prequel where you adventure as Jade, Peony, Dist and Nebilim and troll the shit out of the entire world and each other nonstop
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>>324076771

>abyss
>everyone is an asshole to the MC for being the MC
>MC improves himself
>Everyone still treats MC like shit just because

no the cast sucks for that too
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>>324077040
>everyone still treats MC like shit

after he goes from megadepressed to regular MC they stop, anon.
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>>324074817
>likable mc
>likeable support cast

Even after fucking up the word "likable" in the second greentext you managed to spout lies.
Nice one OP
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>Tales games
>Good
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>>324077040

i liked Luke better when he was an asshole and his transformation was too quick for my liking

here is a better example of an edgy asshole turning into a moralfag
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>>324077851
considering the size of the wakeup call he got, it wasn't too sudden.
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>>324074817
>Likable MC
>Likeable support cast
Get your head out of your ass Baba, the cast was the shittiest I've seen and thats coming from someone who's favorite Tales is Ratatosk
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>>324078153

>liking COURAGE IS THE MAGIC THAT TURNS DREAMS INTO REALITY

what why
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>>324078153
into the trash
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>Shit combat
>Bad character designs
>Boring story

I'll just go back to my SUPERIOR COMBO BASED COMBAT in Xillia 2.
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>>324078472
gotta protect this smile baka desu senpai
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>>324078710
Then show me your favorite Tales faggot
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>Likable MC
>Likeable support cast
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>>324074817
>boring MC
>boring support cast with only one or two exceptions
>armatization makes combat tedious and predictable
>horrible writing even by Tales standards
>pay to warp
>skills are a chore to learn
>have to stay at the inn to view almost all skits
>environments with nothing in them
>the fucking camera

OP, please.
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>>324074817
>battle camera fucking up constantly
>coop shot to shit by human/seraphim system
>casting seraphic artes out of combos is basically mashing circle during hitting hellions
>want to cast an arte assigned to a direction, press circle and direction, character runs in direction instead of doing arte
>malevolence meaning everybody can turn into a manslaughtering beast by being a bit tempted by something evil
>Alisha is just a mcguffin to move the plot forward
>skits only at savepoints and discocery points taking out character interaction on the field
>no reason to not instantly armatize to opponents weakness

Do I need to go on?
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>>324078993
Nakiri Dungeon

:)
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>>324078850
Marta was wet panties incarnate.

Tales of pokemon wasn't bad compared to something like Tempest.
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If Tales of Berseria flops in Japan,
would this finally be the end of Baba?
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tales of zestyland is probably one of the most uninteresting tales games ive ever played last one i played before this was vesperia and i absolutely loved it i missed xillia and xillia 2 aswell as graces on the ps3 if i would have know zestiria was this boring and unenaging i would have never bought it hopefully bersia will be good but im not buying it till its 30$

i will say this thought zestiria has one of the best ost ive heard in awhile
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>>324074817
Man I'm so tired of Rose when is Alisha comming back? I'm in the Cathedral.
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Tales games have always been shit. Go back to /r/furfags
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>>324079493
probably. I'd rather have it be where he pulls his head out of his ass though.
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>>324079810
>>Alisha coming back
bad news anon
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>>324079810
she only comes back for one boss fight pretty late in the game.
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Tales games suck ass but I want to fuck the absolute shit out of the blue-haired dude in Zestria.
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>>324079998
>>324080067
Goddammit.
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reminder that mikleo was the only good thing that came out of this game
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>>324080193
>liking shitty tsundere
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>>324080372
I don't know anything about that nigga man, but he can get it.
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>>324074817
>Likable MC
No
>Likeable support cast
No
>combat engine is easy to learn without having to rely on 2nd year statistics to maximize damage
So...dumbed down.
>dual language options
Doesn't make it a better game.
>only con is they censored the opening song
No

Try again, shill.
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Sorey and Mikleo had one of the best relationship I've played in a long time
While I didn't like how the game played I felt the problem all could easily be fixed in a new game. Take away grinding for the weapons and just let me have control over how skills carry over, let me control the camera, ect.

As for the support I fucking hate Rose mostly because I just never really was a fan of assassins in a games without good reasons to have them in your party. At least with Shadow in FF6 they talked about how they shouldn't trust him while EVERYONE just agrees Rose is "the purest of hearts!"
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>>324080372
>hating on confirmed babe
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>>324074817
weebtrash
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>>324080780
It's funny when Rose talks about how killing people is wrong.
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>>324080780
You might like Zevran in Dragon Age. Maybe Leliana too.
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>>324074817
>/v/ irrationally hates something again to be contrarian
Of course. Most of /v/ is white, what did you expect?
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>>324077659
This. It's easy to point out flaws when almost all of them are terrible in at least one aspect.

>>324076771
>Abyss
MC's framed and the people with him know it for a fact, yet still abandon him. He ends up in a party with the exact guy that framed him.
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>>324080957
Rose pissed me off so fucking much because of shit like that. I almost feel like the writers forgot she's an assassin from time to time. Because no one really questions her much about it and with weird fucking lines like that.

I mean I'm fine with assassins in JRPG but they have to at least be called out on it. Zestiria Rose was treated like just a normal girl and everyone just smiles because "she doesn't have any malevolence" which makes everything ok.
>>324081707
I swore never touch a EA game over 10 years ago and stuck to that. As for Sorey and Mikleo I really just like how easily they bounce off each other. It's not really because I care they are gay I just felt they had better chemistry than most relationships in games.
It's cute when they fight too.
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>>324074817

>censored

You did that on purpose, didn't you? Also I disagree with all of your points aside from dual language.
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>>324077301
No they dont, Jade and Anus still make snide remarks towards him constantly, and Guy secretly hates you for sake of being you.
>>324081949
Asche isnt the one that framed you and I never remember partying with Vann
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>>324081949
>MC's framed and the people with him know it for a fact, yet still abandon him. He ends up in a party with the exact guy that framed him.

this. Luke is physically 7 years old. He and Ion were both tricked by Van. How the hell he was supposed to know that his sensei was evil? yes, it's 2016 and I'm still mad.
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>>324082157
Unfortunate, because DAO, despite EA and Bioware, is a pretty servicable game. And yeah Sorey and Mikleo look cute from what I've seen.
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>>324082406
and that fizzles out over time. They never forgive him for it but they don't berate him over it the entire game.

Guy also says a lot of his hatred is old, based off what Luke's father did to Hod. Of course, nobody could really like Luke but they're friends. Guy even goes back for him.
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>>324074817
This game is shit. So was Xillia. Tales hasn't released a good flagship title since Vesperia and Beseria doesn't look that promising. I really don't get how people can enjoy uninteresting characters, boring and poorly constructed stories, bland worlds, and lazy game design (like no actual map in Xillia).
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>>324075757
Tales games haven't evolved while everything around them has. I enjoyed Symphonia so much and have been coming back to this series hoping to get something that can provide me even a fraction of that happiness. Instead I have been getting shit these past few years.
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>>324082406
Why would Guy hate Luke? The only reason he didn't even go through with his plot was because he grew to care about Luke. For a time he was quite literally the ONLY person he cared about.

And Jade is a snide bitch to everyone. He always was, even when Luke hadn't done anything to deserve it.

The party stops insulting him over that once they see how much it has affected him.

>>324082598
Agreed. Fucking stupid as shit. Guy gets more of pass than Luke despite knowing Van is a dick, yet Luke gets blamed despite essentially being a child.
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>>324079493
Such horrible character design. I bet she will have very little depth as well.
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>>324082648
I'm sure it's fine for what it is. My hatred of EA is endless even if it's meaningless because of how well their games sell.

They just bounce off each other well. And they act almost like an old married couple at times. I don't even care that they are gay or not I just felt they were way more believable than so many other games where the MC and the girl are meant to fall in love. Really the only reason I kept going to see those two. To me they were the one thing that was actually really good in a game where a lot of other things went seriously wrong.
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Sorey was kind of a boring MC. His shtick was his purity so he couldn't really have much character development.
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>>324082963

Name the everything, and be specific about the evolution of such things. Most major series are stuck a decade to fifteen years ago.
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>>324074817
You forget that the game has the worst camera since Castlevania 64.
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I've put like 20 hours into this game now and can say I enjoy it quite a lot, but the only other tales game I've played was the shitty symphonia sequel.
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>>324083451
sad thing is this is true.

Like, it's not total trash but the ways it fucks up are near-inexcusable.
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>>324082406
Nice head canon. You should actually play the game though.

>>324082598
Nobody blames him for trusting Van. What are you mad about?

>>324083016
What would Guy need "a pass" for? The party were already aware Van was up to some shit because Tear told them; they just had no way of knowing he had planned genocide via Luke's hyperresonance due to obvious reasons.

No wonder Bamco no longer works with the Abyss scenario writer, this fanbase is too retarded to grasp any fucking nuance
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Zestiria could have been good, but the gameplay was too limited compared to the other games' amount of tools in combat. Also, I really don't like where the games are going in regards to phasing out multiplayer. At least Xilia 2 gave you a fun incentive to play as the main character instead of putting weird restrictions on your whole party. Also, where did all the damage go? Even when Armatized and hitting weaknesses, there's just no damage.

It's a horrible entry in the series. I don't think I'd be out of line saying that it's worse or at best on par with Tempest. At least that game had the decency to be short.
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>>324084519
>this fanbase is too retarded to grasp any fucking nuance

basically this desudesu
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>Want to play 4 player co op with my bros
>LOL FUSION

Alright whatever.
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>>324074817

>combat is boring and shitty and you barely have any artes or skills to use
>abysmally slow pacing, even for a jrpg
>open world with nothing to do in it

I liked the cast but holy shit this game was bad
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>>324084519
I meant he gets far less grief than Luke despite planning to murder him in front of his father, when Luke's only 'crime' was trusting Van with no reason not to.

And yes the party does treat him like shit despite it not being his fault. I understand they were sad and didn't want to blame themselves, but Luke already had enough shit to deal with.
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>>324084992
Luke's crime was being 'born'.
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>>324075118
Mikleo would have been so much better as a female instead with that personality.
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>>324074817
What, no Sorey is like if Cless and Shing had a retarded child. The only member of the supporting cast that is cool is Rose. The combat engine lacks any fucking depth.
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>>324084992
>Luke's only 'crime' was trusting Van with no reason not to
Nobody blamed him for trusting Van. Rewatch the scene and actually read the dialogue on screen this time.
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>>324085061
We've seen the girl version of Mikleo like five hundred times though.

Anon, just give in and let yourself be attracted to Mikleo. It's okay.
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>>324085573
But I didn't like him for the fact he is a male. He made the game slightly more endurable though.
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>>324084519
>Bamco no longer works with the Abyss
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1423
They still work with him. Too bad this is a smartphone game and we'll never get it.
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>>324085303
>The only member of the supporting cast that is cool is Rose.
God I hate Rosefag. Name me one good reason Rose is cool outside of "I want her as my waifu!"
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I liked the game, mostly for the cast and setting and the fact they did "if you kill me you'll turn bad just like me" "lol no" at the end.

Rose > Alisha
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>>324085530
https://youtu.be/P9p_Hx3COdM?t=289

Part of it was certainly being whiny about it 'not being his fault' but yes, they were pissed he trusted Van.
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>>324085908
She's lively and bubbly, she's just a fun character, plus is anything she is more of a traditional tales swordsmen then Sorey
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>>324085908
>Rose
She is pretty funny compared to the others, fun to play and has the better looking armatize.
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>>324086296
But her as a character is one of the worst written characters in the whole game. She loves telling others how bad it is to kill WHILE BEING AN ASSASSIN! She loves pointing fingers at others while she herself did way more horrible things.
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>>324086592
Hey, it's not her fault that she's full of inconsistencies. The whole plot of the game is filled with them. Also, fuck Baba.
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>>324086592
She tells other's its bad to kill good people and that the scattered bones only kill bad people, and dude she's not just the only character that's written poorly, the whole cast is.
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>>324086592
The whole fucking game is poorly written anyway. So why go apeshit over people enjoying at least one?
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i dont get it. why do you weebs play all these flavor of the month jrpgs with the same bland character designs, boring combat system, uninspired story and claim that its good? grow up weebshits
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>combat is overtly limiting with too few options
>combat is clunky as fuck too, so it's not even dumb fun
>fucktarded skill system
>dungeon and town design is fucking shit

The third disc of the OST is the only grace this game has
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>>324086931
Yeah, they should grow up and play Call of Duty instead!
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>>324086751
>>324086772
But she is the least consistent of all the characters. Her whole characters is judging others without ever thinking about her own action. As long as she thinks she's doing good it doesn't matter what her actions cause. Honestly she might be one my most hated character in any recent JRPG.
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The input windows are strange.
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>>324087152
>character acts human
>shit on her
ok
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>>324086931
Some people actually played the series for several years.
Also, you can say the same shit about almost all games.
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>>324074817
>Cast is alright, but won't stop making retarded puns
>Armatized seraphic arts are spammable and overpowered
>Extremely generic plot and setting
>Timewasting "puzzles"
>Main innovation of the game was battles that take place in the map, but it fucks the camera terribly
I didn't hate the game, but it was like the most C- game I've ever played. Felt like a total downgrade from Xillia to be totally honest.
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>>324087221
Normally growth is a part of being human. Rose never grows out of her character being a bitch. Look you guys like it fine whatever but I just hated everything about that character.
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>>324074817
>one texture wall dungeons
>horrible sigil weapon/armor system
>exploit enemy weakness over and over to win
>story turns into a absolute mess near the end
>golden treasures chests full of cakes
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>>324074817
The entire game is one long hallway. It's a fucking snore.
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>>324087680
>story turns into a absolute mess near the end
It's not even a mess. It's straight forward but rushed to hell.
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>>324074817
Just came in the thread to quote this

>censored the opening song

And then make a face about it
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>>324087828

So it's literally every Tales in existence. Vesperia barely has an endgame at all.
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>>324074817
Is this a good starting point for Tales of as someone who's never played one? I want an RPG for my ps4
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>>324088294
No. It's a bad game. If you want a good RPG for the PS4, you might want to wait for Star Ocean 5 to come out.
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>>324088294
No. Either start with Symphonia, Abyss, or Vesperia.
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>>324088249
I agree. All it has is the ongoing side-quests and the final dungeon like most games. But that's not what I meant. The main story is straight and rushed.
Zestiria is the first game that made me feel that. Apart from Tempest maybe. But that game was awful too.
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>>324088807

That is, if you ignore Eternia, which is arguably the most linear of them all alongside Legendia. Not bad, but terribly short and easy. Legendia is flat out broken but I digress, it's weird Zestiria is like that because it came over 2 years after ToX2, so it's not like they didn't have time. Maybe they made something easygoing because they knew Tales of Edgelordia was next.
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>>324087038
>if you dont like my game, you like CoD
grow up kiddo
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>>324089483
After you, son. I didn't even like this game.
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>>324088473
>sofag
lol
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>>324085807
>him
her

Fuck, at least that means she has a chance of writing another mainline game someday.
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It honestly ended really well.

>dat fight against the dragon where you have to unleash Siegfried 4 times
>dat solo fight
>dat walk to the throne
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>>324090426
>dat solo fight
>dat walk to the throne
I'll admit, that was actually pretty well done.
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>>324090426
I have to admit. The payoff after all the shitfest was pretty good. Even the ending cinematic was good enough reward to "forgive" some aspects of the game.
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Posting in a Tales Thread!!

Also posting best girl so it makes it that much better.
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>Likable MC
He's okay I guess
>Likeable support cast
No
>combat engine is easy to learn without having to rely on 2nd year statistics to maximize damage
The arte system is fucked and you know it
>dual language options
nice
>only con is they censored the opening song
Had no idea it was censored
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>>324090426
>dat sexy long-hair, effeminate Mikleo
Best girl.
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>>324091024
>Had no idea it was censored

Without even knowing, its badass on its own.
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>>324091251
I honestly didn't know the vocals were a thing until after I beat the game. I know it's probably just bias because I heard the instrumental one first, but I kind of like it better. The guitar shit is really rad.
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i've put about 50 hours into this. halfway through my second run.

my only complaint is the weapon/stat boost system is way too complicated. unless you play on hard difficulty on your first run, you're probably not going to understand half of it as it's unnecessary. i'm only getting good drops now because of the lord of the land boons and a grade shop option i bought.

i guess having random drops is a way to make multiple runs interesting, as you get different gear each time, but i'll be damned if i don't like a more traditional "get certain beast weapon from certain part of game/difficult enemy/quest" style.

laila is adorable and rose is a sweetheart. playing a tales game in japanese at 60fps is pretty sweet. fingers crossed symphonia hd gets modded quickly, as we all know namdai will port the shitty ps2 version.

also, the music in the trials are fucking fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rNeIZkZTRA
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>>324074817
>only con is they censored the opening song

so using the instrumental version means it's "censored"?

You sound as retarded as claiming that Dragon's Dogma PC's port is censored because of No Golden Age armors
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>>324091619
not him, but it's not censored, it's just that the original vocal track was removed for legal reasons.
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>>324091791
like with Tales of the Abyss?
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>>324082406
>and Guy secretly hates you for sake of being you.
Guy is arguably the person who likes Luke the most
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>>324091835
I like the English version of the opening, but both are great
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>>324091835
sorry, i never played abyss. i played symphonia, logged like 300 hours on vesperia, and just beat zesteria a couple days ago.
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Do we have Berseria gameplay footage yet
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>>324092163
nah
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>>324092136
None of those games have the original opening songs in them.

Xillia is the only one that does.
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>>324091791
Instrumental tracks of the opening are better than stuff like the Gamecube Symphonia opening.

I'm surprised they couldn't get rights for the Zestiria opening with vocals though. Namco has been pretty good at getting the original openings or an English version by the same singer lately.
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>>324092362
probably should have mentioned that i played vesperia and symphonia in jap, so i wouldn't have noticed the omission.
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>>324074817
Playing graces up at the bit where I'm on a different planet how much more gaming can expect?
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>>324082157
>I almost feel like the writers forgot she's an assassin from time to time.

Because those lines weren't written for her.
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>>324090937
I just wanted to protect her smile
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>>324092882
That's like 2/3 through the main game. You've got the F arc afterwards which is just bonus game if you want to quit there, but it does have a lot more content in that.
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>>324092882
40 more hours.


I'm not kidding.
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>>324092882
You're roughly almost there.

Unless you wanna do the L&L part in which case..well you still gotta a ways to go.
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>>324094031
At least he only has to listen to that godawful dungeon theme one more time.
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