>playing Dark Souls 1 after Bloodborne IT'S SO S LO W

If you're playing on PC, it's much better on console

>>324064904
playing on PC does not change the pace of the game

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>>324064904
How does that even make sense

>>324065496
Think he is talking about framerate

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>>324064904
>playing on PC completely alters the pace of the game
>this is what mustards actually believe

>>324065904
It's what sony ponies believe, read it again.

>>324066275
huh, you're right

it still make absolutely no sense what-so-ever

>>324064181
Could be worse
I played Dark 2 after replaying Demon's, felt like I was trudging through mud

Slow in what sense

>>324065904
not slow in pace, but the shitty framerate is more noticible on a monitor than a tv so the game feels slow as fuck

DS2 on the other hand feels great

>>324064181
This.

>>324067190
fighting

DS is a great game, and world design was wonderful and challenging, but ds and bb feel extremely different

>>324064181
I had absolutely no problem going back to Dark Souls 1 or 2 after Bloodborne. The Souls games are just different enough that it isnt jarring. they have different mechanics entirely, and Dark Souls in general encourages slower play than Bloodborne anyway. So it's not like im going back to a slower bloodborne

>play bb for a while
>want to come back to ds1
>try to play it like I play BB
>get my ass fucked royally

forgot this game punishes you for being too aggressive

>>324067820
I have no problem playing bloodborne and demon's souls interchangeably but going between bloodborne and dark souls 1 or 2 is horrible

Just get the 60 fps mod for DS1. Makes the PC version superior.

>>324064181
DaS was always slow and clunky, you needs this because is about reading your enemies moves and strategy.

Or you could go full Dexfag.

>>324067618
but i get 60fps on PC

>>324068174
This.
I played DeS first, then BB, then DaS and going between DeS and BB felt natural while going from BB to DaS felt like a huge shift.

>>324064181
if you go back to Demon's Souls after playing a lot of Bloodborne: your character slides around like Mario in an ice level.

>>324065904
>>324068331
>play 450 hours of Dark Souls 1 on my shitty PC that barely managed 30 FPS
>unlock it to 60 FPS on my new PC
>holy shit how the fuck did I ever play at 30?
>add another 100 hours

>>324064181
>playing DaS2 after Bloodborne
Fuck this is like being an american and trying to run through a waist deep pool of molasses

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I've played the souls series in release order and never had any problem adjusting. It never felt like I was adjusting at all now that I think about it.

>>324068545
which the game isn't made to be run at, so it still looks like shit either way

>>324064181
I felt the same way, but then I started to enjoy it more.

>>324069314
I think they have seperate merits that are, very encouragingly, not mutually exclusive. I think the upped tempo of Bloodborne combined with the broader build possibilities of DaS could make the best Souls game to date.

It's why I'm so fucking excited for DS3

>>324069096
looks fine to me, certainly better than DaS2 i'd even say BB, but that's me

only bug i ever get playing at 60fps is sometimes after restoring my humanity at a bonfire it doesn't let me leave. and that might not even be because of that, i'm not sure.

I platinum'd BB and now i'm replaying DS without any problems.

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>>324064181
Get hype for DS3, son

>>324070283
looks like too much of a mixed bag so I'm very on the fence about it

I'm not going to set myself up for disappoint after DaS2

>>324070526
Let's hope it's the best of two worlds, then.

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>>324070283
getting day one, but I'm going in with very small expectations after ds2 and bb. I'll probably just co-op it from the start to be safe instead of doing my usual solo run first just so I can gaurentee some enjoyment from it

Holy shit I forgot how good DS1's OST was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_35zPoY38g

>>324071281
Too bad this fight should last 10 seconds if you aren't a fucking scrub

>>324071380
That's the problem.
Such a short fight shouldn't have such a good tune.

>>324070898
>that pic
mixing armor sets is gross

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>>324069096
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>324072036
Nah, it's just tricky
Well mixed armor sets can look way better than full sets

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>>324070283
>That NEVER EVER yellow background
It's they did it on purpose

>>324072230
IMO the best sets in DaS1 are the unmixed Elite Knight and Wanderer sets

>>324072246
It's like*

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>>324072036
I saved it for the onion bro

>>324071281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS6imkjmYcg
Nito is better in every way.

>>324064181
try DS2, it's even worse

I wish I could erase all memory of Souls from my mind and play them again.
I was too spoiled when I went into Dark. Demon's and Dark 2 were a bit more blind, but Bloodborne is the only one where I managed to play 100% blind.

>>324072479
That's why I'm so excited for Dark Souls 3. It'll be the first Souls game I play where I'm not months of years behind everyone already.

>>324072246
Except DS3 is coming to all platforms, so not really.

>>324072552
or*

>>324070283
pls be good, pls be good, pls be good

>>324072359
I would read a slice of life comic about the Chosen Undead, Solaire, and Seigmeyer going on adventures all through Lordran

>>324070283
>tfw hype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWae6r7Blw

>>324064181
>play DaS2
>roll away from attack
>broken hit box hits me
>I don't die in one hit because there's no penalty for rolling
>long ass recovery
>bosses are easy as fuck

Bloodborne seriously did it right.

>>324072870
>broken hit box hits me

what is agility

>>324072552
I think this is part of why Bloodborne is my favourite. I feel like I know it better because it was kind of my first. I'd played all the others, but I got into them late.

>>324073198
A bad mechanic.

>>324073198
A badly designed mechanic?
>put points into this stat so the hitboxes don't lie!

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>>324070174
it's a known dsfix bug also slliding down ladders can send you off the map and fall down into nothingness.

>>324071281
>DeS
http://youtu.be/QPJUQg_U5HY

>DaS
http://youtu.be/bc0vmbmdexw

>DaS2
http://youtu.be/mz1_3az6Hgs

>BB
http://youtu.be/7RzA_Oomra8

The soundtracks did get better over time. Not a fan of Dark Souls 2 soundtrack though.
DaS, BB, and some songs in DeS are my favorite.

>>324072797

Can't fucking wait
Hopefully they had their fun with BB and add a bit of variety though

>>324068868
I was looking at the DSfix ini, and it says I could be possibly banned from online play from changing it.

I assume this is hogwash?

>>324072870

>Play BB
>Get hit
>Backstep back
>Spam vials
>Boss dies in 15~ hits

oh wow

>>324073621
>DaS2 soundtrack
It's just like with the gameplay, some incredible parts, but many mediocre tracks that no one really cares about, especially if they are paired with similarly disappointing bosses.

>>324073639
>tfw the setting for DaS3 turns absolutely crazy halfway through
>tfw old gods come crawling out of the woodwork
>tfw the game reads your DaS1 savestate and puts your highest leveled character as the final boss: Chosen Undead

>>324073737
You don't have to lie, Anon.

>>324068174
>>324068623
That's really fucking retarded of you considering DeS by far had the wonkiest floatiest combat between the series.
Especially since you're going from 8 way hops to 4 way rolls

>>324072870
>play DaS2
>put 20 points into ADP
>roll away from attack
>avoid the attack
Stop being shit at videogames.

>>324073865
I highly doubt they'd put extra effort into something that would only affect the PC version. Also, the player charcter from DaS1 is implied to be Darklurker from DaS2.

>>324073696
I think that was back when it still used GFWL. As I said, I've played over 550 hours of Dark Souls on Steam using DSfix unlocked to 30 and then 60 and I remain unbanned. I don't think there's a single case of someone getting banned just for using the FPS unlocker.

>>324073470
that only happens to me on the ladder at Sunlight Alter, the one that leads down to the rats/hellkite skip

>>324074157
darklurker in DaS2 is the 4kings reincarnated. you get lifedrain from its soul

>>324074203
yeah i think that's the only ladder that does it.

>>324073865

The old gods were so disappointing though, only Ebrietas put up some sort of fight.
I also hated the design in BBs second half

>>324074157
>have to put points in a stat to dodge broken hit boxes

Epic.

>>324064181
Why did Dark Souls have to ripoff everything from Berserk but the rape horse? Imagine that being a boss.

>>324073470
The physics engine is tied to the framerate so wonky things can happen when you unlock it. Jumps/rolls are also a touch shorter. Hit Backspace to toggle between 30/60 when sliding down ladders or making jumps (such as the one to head back to the Asylum).

>>324074112
it's really not since demon's souls combat is the closest to bloodborne's because of its large amount of iframes on the roll and extremely fast weapon movesets

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>>324074035

Fuck you this has to be one person spamming this retort

>>324074384
>he hated the cosmic horror of BB's second half
????????????????????????????????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoyevcAnbb4
Objectively the best Souls track.

>>324074417
have you not played bloodborne?

it already is a boss

and there are more references to berserk in demon's souls than there are in dark souls

>>324074598
I'm waiting for a few more games to come out on the PS4 before I buy one.

>>324074574

Every single old one was easy

>>324074417
Ludwig is rape nuckelavee.

>>324074549
What does showing your trophy have to do with what you said?

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>>324074664
okay, well

just know the rape horse is included

>>324074495
>(such as the one to head back to the Asylum).
I fucking knew you could roll onto it, I always just did the running leap because I never got the roll to work but I remember doing it before.

Why would you even want to play a souls game at 60 FPS? I've played like 1500 hours between demon's and dark on PS3, it would be like playing a completely different game. All that time playing and gitting gud would be wasted because everything would suddenly be double speed.

>>324074764

What am I lying about, thats literally all you need to do and your also helped by BBs stamina bar which never drains

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>>324074549
>That date

>>324075021
Killing bosses in 15 hits

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>>324070283
>that new mimic.

I can't wait to fight it.

>>324074890
>double speed

That's not how it works senpai

>>324075264
>mimic posing as boss

the implications scare me

Is it bad Id rather have DS3 for my PS4 than PC that could easily max it? I bring my PS4 to my friends place every weekend so we could chill and play it together

>>324075262

>Beast pellet
>Weakness
>Wail on them

>>324075021
So I'm assuming you killed Yharnam along with:
>Loran Darkbeast
>Defiled Watchdog
>headless bloodletting beast
>Defiled Amygdala
>Orphan of Kos

Now tell me. Isn't Dark Souls 2 a fucking easy ass cakewalk?
>no penalty for rolling
>unlimited healing items

The amount of stamina regen and blood vials isn't enough to make BB bosses easy.

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>Going back to Bloodborne after playing DaS at 60fps

>>324075761
You hardly notice FPS in these games unless you just started playing or you're an autist.

>>324075651

>Didn't face bosses i had to face to platinum
>Didn't face a dlc boss whose main tactic is attacking them having a massive opening like every other humanoid

You sure you've played the game

>>324073696
It possible in DS/DS2, but very unlikely. Some people have reported only using DSfix/DSfix2 and being auto-banned.

And Bandai isn't very good at customer service, so the chances of getting unbanned is minimal.

>>324075893
>You hardly notice FPS
Are you blind?
>Faster focused gameplay
>Lower fps
>Not noticeable

>>324075643
Most regular bosses will die in 15+ hits, but chalice dungeon and DLC won't.

>>324075761
BB only has frame issues in Old Yharnam, or if you co-op in certain areas.
It's pretty smooth the rest of the time.

>>324075893
>You hardly notice FPS in these games
You only own a PS4 don't you?

>>324072223
>Literally no difference: The gif

>>324064181
make your attention span longer

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>my weaponfu won't be in Dark Souls 3

I'm inconsolable.

>>324066823
>you will never hear the pipe organ blast out the first few notes of what you recognize as a reprisal of the opening theme once you finally reach the throne
It's just not the same.

>>324076097
I think he was more referencing the cap at 30fps.

>>324076073
bloodborne is pretty much at a constant 30

if you feel stutter it's from frames getting played out of order, but it's not a framerate issue

>>324076170
No, I've played DeS, DaS console, DaS PC, DaS2 console, DaS2 PC, and Bloodborne.
I'm just not autistic like you.

>>324076317
>You have better perception and can notice a drop from 60fps to 30fps
>Lol you're autistic
Nice refute.

>>324076269
Oh.
I never got the issue with 30fps. Drops really shouldn't be allowed in this day, but I've never once looked at 30fps and felt uncomfortable or disappointed.

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>>324064904
Not only is it the same pace, it's the same framerate.

>>324076410
Yeah but going from 60fps, down to 30fps is noticable. Especailly in a game that is faster paced than the previous entries.

>>324076371
Yes you are. Because you're initial and only complaint is about the frame rate of the game. If you're still complaining about it after an hour, there's something wrong with you.

>>324076505
I suppose, but isn't it pretty easy to adapt? I never have trouble going between the two.

>>324076020
What?

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Can someone explain firekeepers and their souls to me. And bonfires?

Bonfires keep respawning you, but you'll respawn undead unless you use humanity. What are those fires powered by? The great flame you kindl at the end of das1 is what allows the age of fire to continue right? Since it is almost out, how are the rest of the bonfires still working?

How is it that if you kill the firekeepers in Firelink or Lorddran their fires stop working but the rest continue?

Are the firekeeper souls you find essentially the souls of firekeepers who have gone hollow because of maintaining the bonfire?

Is the Sunlight Warrior covenant bad or good? Since they fight to keep the age of fire going right? Doesnt that perpetuate the undead curse though?

Laslty what is the "dark"? Isnt ot blatantly bad? I mean Artorias turned dark and evil/hollow after jumping into the abyss to face down the 4 Kings for Gywn didnt he?

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>>324076623
>there's something wrong with you.
Yeah, I apparently don't have a shit taste in FPS. Then again, a sonygger requirement is to ignore 60fps like it's the devil. After years of DaS 1/2 at 60fps, you can notice a harsh drop to 30fps, with camera jitter especially on a game that's designed to be faster paced. You're sounding like the autistic one now.

>>324076775
Yes, I play on PC all the time and it's easy to adapt. These shits just want something to complain about.

>>324076623
>Because you're initial and only complaint is about the frame rate of the game
So if I made Bloodborne 15fps that would be okay with you?

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>>324064181

Hell

>playing Dark Souls 1 after Dark Souls 2

The game plays like you're moving through molasses. Doesn't really fuck up the experience too much but it's very jarring.

>>324074158
>>324076032
See, I really want to unlock it to 60 as my computer could easily handle it, but rolling the dice on getting banned really turns me off.

>>324076904
>sonygger
Listen, if you want to shit post, go make a thread about FPS and PS4. You can go spew your "taste" there. Fps is literally the only thing you're complaining about, and you'll adapt to it about an hour after playing.
I like playing the games on PC too because of the graphics upgrades, but you're just being an annoying shit.

>Want to replay Dark Souls 2
>I rage quit on that game after some bullshit PvP matches where I got stunlocked for like 2K damage
>Stunlock Souls
>Armor doesn't do shit
>Willing to overlook this, ignore PvP
>Remember there is a stat for i-frames
>A stat
>For
>Fucking
>i-frames

Never going back to this shit. And yeah I know you can get stunlocked to death in BB, but unlike in DaS2 you're wearing cloth and not a fucking stone armor or some shit that just refuses to function properly as armor.

>>324077318
>Still no refute to my points
I never once said I couldn't adapt. I said it shitty to drop back to 30fps. Nice reading comprehension fag boy, lemme link my original quote just incase you're not good with numbers too >>324075761

>>324076171
Yeah we all know that meme, it's not funny anymore

>>324077323
>try to replay Dark 2
>ragequit in the forest of giants
It just feels so unpleasant to play, which makes everything that happens so much more frustrating.

So, since we're talking about best Dark Souls game (at least until DaS 3 comes out)...

I finished the game with faith/dex build and while I was in the middle of it, I learned about the Power Within + Sunlight Blade strat. I was using that with Balder Sword +15 and shit was cheap as fuck. Now that I'm on NG+, I'm thinking about switching to Great Scythe since it's the best dex weapon I know of.

What's the best dex weapon in the game? I mean with highest damage output.

>>324077028
No because it becomes extemely noticeable at that point. Movies have 30 fps so I don't really care and I get used to it.

>>324077323

Yeah, it's kind of bullshit but you only have to pump a few points into it until it become the same as Dark Souls 1.

I still have no idea why they added that. Very stupid.

>fucked up hitboxes
>scholar fucked up absolutely everything, feels like im playing a parody

playing dark souls 1 after BB is nothing in comparison to playing DS2 after playing literally any fucking game

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>>324064181
so you can see difference between 10 and 15 fps
but you can't see diffrence between 30 and 60?

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>>324064181
>have to spend 1400 blood echoes so that instead of waiting through two load screens you wait for only one to do something you could do in Dark Souls with the press of a button and a 5 second wait.

guys, Bloodbarn is faster guys

>>324077478
You're literally only in this thread to shitpost about fps though. The OP was just talking about the speed of the gameplay.
You're making this seem like it's a massive problem, but it's not.

>>324077819
Yes.
Can you see the difference between 60 and 120?
What about between 120 and 240?
Diminishing returns. Eventually the difference isn't noticeable enough to be worth it.
30 and 60 are different. but not nearly as different as 10 and 20. 10 FPS is like a slideshow, 20 is almost bearable.

>>324078074
>Can you see the difference between 60 and 120?

Yes you retard.

>>324077984
>Still no refutes again
All I implied in my original post, was the drop from 60fps to 30fps was noticable. And you jumped on that in true sonygger fashion and gave bullshit excuses about muh autism/you can't adapt!! Point me to where I said ANYWHERE, that Bloodborne is unplayable at 30fps. Do it.

>>324077869
OP is referring to combat.

I'll admit, leveling up at a bonfire is faster but then there's almost no need for a maiden or even a hub world for that matter. the game was modeled after the demon's souls formula, but it does feel weird after Dark Souls 1.

>>324077984
just ignore the FPS shitposting. it's not worth getting shit thrown at you.

>>324077504
>What's the best dex weapon in the game? I mean with highest damage output.
Moveset is more important than damage.
Ricard's Rapier, Estoc, Gold Tracer, Falchion, Murakumo (if you have the Strength for it) are all good Dex weapons. Great Scythe is okay if you can get over the fact that you're using a farming tool instead of a weapon. It looks retarded. Silver Knight weapons are good for dex too, but you can't buff them.

>>324077740
>scholar fucked up absolutely everything
>improves every single area in the game besides Drangleic Castle and Tower of Flame
>fucked up everything
Nice meme bro

>>324078184
Maybe if you're specifically looking for it.

>>324077504
straight broken sword

>>324078213
There's that word again. I'm done.

>>324078302
>statues needlessly in the way
>not fucked up
nice damage control bro

>>324078436
You're done because I proved you wrong. So you're gonna have a lil tissy bitch fit because the big mean man called you a sonygger on the internet.

>>324078302
>not using farming tools

Should I marathon all of the souls games before DS III comes out, /v/?

>>324078761
Just DeS and DaS.

>>324078761
Yeah but skip DaS2.

>>324078074

This. I can easily tolerate a steady 30-45 FPS. The difference between that and 60 isn't even a big deal.

Once you get below 30 it becomes painful. Especially the teens.

It's why I hate these new consoles because most of the time they can't even handle steady 30 FPS and we're still in the young years of them.

>>324075651
>DS2
>No penalty for rolling
What the fuck are you smoking? How exactly does Bloodborne punish rolling at all? If anything DS2 has a few bosses that heavily punish incorrect timing, and you need to watch your stamina.

>>324078761
Yeah, duh.

>>324078441
So what? There are more fragrant branches too, and the statues only ever block optional paths.

>>324078869
Dealing massive damage.

>>324078970
point proven, scholar fucked shit up and all you can make are excuses

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>>324064181
I don't like that shitty victorian setting. Sorry.

>>324076834
>Is the Sunlight Warrior covenant bad or good? Since they fight to keep the age of fire going right? Doesnt that perpetuate the undead curse though?
Linking the fire and keeping the age of fire going would actually stop the undead curse until it burns out again. The undead curse is the 'default' state of human once the fire goes out. The age of fire keeps humans mortal.

>Laslty what is the "dark"? Isnt ot blatantly bad? I mean Artorias turned dark and evil/hollow after jumping into the abyss to face down the 4 Kings for Gywn didnt he?
It's not very clear, but it's the other side of the coin, opposing fire. It doesn't seem to be inherently evil, though a lot of evil things happen with it. You can also say the same about fire if we're talking about the witch of Izalith. Essentially you can treat both fire and dark the same way: carefully, and you may reap the benefits, if you get too close you get burned. A lot of dark hexes or spells are described with tranquility or peace, and a bunch of pyromancies describe desire or wrath. Maybe the witch of Izalith and Gwyn (and his soulbearer Old Iron King) suffered from the greed of fire, and Artorias sunk into the apathy of dark?

No idea about the other questions.

>>324078992
DS2 punished far more severely in that regard. I guess you never fought against Raime, Sir Allone or the cats. There are very few bosses in Bloodborne that punish this aggressively, and you heal so quickly that it doesn't matter as long as you can get out of range for a second and they don't kill you instantly.

>>324068331
Isn't there some game breaking ladder shit that can happen at 60 fps? I'd unlock the fps at this point if not.

>>324068029
I don't know why but after playing all the souls games and then going to bloodborne I had the hardest time beating bosses, until I just stopped thinking, spammed dodge and mashed R1 until I won.

Worked for everybody except orphan of kos. That one needed some timing which actually felt rewarding.

>>324064181
DaS was already slow compared to DeS.

>>324077580
Movies are 24fps senpai.

Just like Bloodborne.

>>324079468
I've been playing through DaS2 and never had a problem rolling and getting hit.
There are bosses in BB that punish aggressively, and there are some that can easily one-shot you with the rolling damage.
You can heal just as easily in DaS2 too.

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>Play BB
>Literally 18 chain rolls with barely any stamina
>Feels like flailing around wet noodles

>Take any big ass weapon in DeS or DaS
>Feel massive amounts of satisfaction with EVERY GOD DAMN SWING

Fuck no I'm not playing BB again
O MY GOD THE ANIMATIONS IN DeS AND DaS FEEL SO MUCH BETTER

>slow
fuck man in the time it takes for me to beat the game bloodborne just finished loading the title screen
its like playing morrowind on xbox

>>324080413
You obviously are memeing or haven't played it since launch cause that was patched.

>>324074549
But there aren't 13 months in a year

>>324080135
The amount of satisfaction you get from breaking boss limbs and performing viscerals with blood flying everywhere is far better tbqh

>>324064181
That's because Souls games are slow and clunky shit, I hear Bloodboner is a bit better

>>324080040
Whether something is easy to dodge or not doesn't affect how heavily fuck-ups are punished.

>You can heal just as easily in DaS2 too.
Objectively incorrect. You always need to heal -directly- after one or two specific of Sir Allone's attacks unless you want to risk him slicing you up.

>>324080738
>Blood

First thing thats getting turned off in DaS3
Looks fucking stupid

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>>324081642
Probably Manus.

>>324076472

PC is 60fps you consolecuck

>>324081756
Is that in the dlc? I didn't do that since i didn't know how to get to it

>>324081642
Probably because unless you have solaire you just have to run around the room and love tap them until one dies.

>>324081756
>>324081991
Manus is pretty hard and cheats

google

>>324081991
Google how to find the dlc. Its like retartedly over complicated for accessing it. Once you know it its easy but as a first timer, how the fuck did they expect you to find out?

>>324082207
On a new character you'd probably find it, since the golem basically can't be missed. And if you explore a lot you'd know where the only character who mentions Oolacile is, which is referenced in the description.

But on a character that's already cleared dukes? There's literally no way to know.

>>324081991
- Go back to the Hydra cave in Darkroot Basin, there should be a golden golem there, kill it.
- Leave the area then come back, there should be a summon sign around the lake (sometimes hidden in the water near the shore). Use it to summon Dusk.
- Then go kill a blue golem at the entrance of Duke's Archives to drop a pendant.
- Go back to the Hydra's cave to get ported to Oolacile.

>>324075059
>>324080713
Americans ladies and gentlemen

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>>324065904
>Bugged reading mechanics

Yeah i said the same thing playing dark souls after demons

>>324076834

The flame (fire) was linked to humanity, that's why humans become undead and respawn at bonfires.

Individual bonfires are linked to firekeeper souls, that are enhanced humanities.

The Sunbro covenant is the aggressive/warrior faction of Gwynn's worshippers.

Dark is what comes out of humanity. It corrupts non-humans and turns humans into what Manus is.

>>324064181
Don't even try going back to das2

>>324083165
But dark souls is slower than ds1

>>324081847
only with DSFix. plus it fucks some of the ladders if you try to slide down them.

>>324083165
DaS2 is a fair amount faster than DaS1.
The stam recovery is pretty slow compared to bloodborne, but the movement is a pretty happy medium between BB and DaS1

>>324083319
Also it makes some jumps near to, if not completely, impossible to make.

>>324083589
>DaS2 is a fair amount faster than DaS1.
yeah, no

it's like tracking through mud

it is so fucking slow it's rediculious

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>Go back to Demon's Souls
>Your inventory items have weight

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>>324064181

I honestly don't know about DaS3

Imagine if it's mostly dudes in armor again? Given that Miyazaki managed to make Shadows of Yharnam which was Ruin Sentinels done right, I guess I should give him benefit of doubt.

I'm sure Bloodborne 2 is next.

>>324083772
not a problem unless you're making a hyper mage with base vit

>>324076834
Firekeepers are basically like Gwyn powering the Flame with his humanity, expect on a smaller level. They are like the great Flame's wifi beacons, bringing it everywhere on the land.
The Flame is nearly out, but not completely, enough to fuel the bonfires apparently.

When you kill a keeper his fire goes out, so I don't know what you mean by "the rest continues". They other fires have their keepers alive obviously, we just don't meet them. If anything, stuff should happen in the vicinity of extinct bonfires, darkness coming back etc.

The undead curse isn't related to the age of fire. It only appeared recently as the fire is dying. So nothing to do with the Sunbros. Deciding if fire or dark is the right thing to do is up to you, neither is good or bad.

I think the "darkness" consuming Artorias and Manus isn't the same as the "dark age" that was before the Flame. Dunno really.

>>324083715
Im not really sure why you think that, movement seems a fair amount faster to me.

>>324083840
Dudes in armor get too much hate, all the best bosses in every DS game were against humanoid knight or knight-like dudes.

>>324083957
it's sluggish and weighted down

there is a reason they completely dropped it and went back to das1 style movement for das3

>>324083936
This. It wasn't really a problem and the only time I did have a problem with it was when I decided to blow through the entirety of the mines without returning to the nexus

>>324077624
How much? I often hear 99 ADP (0.4 sec of iframes). Should I go higher?

>>324084002
no really

BB did it best with beast bosses

ludwig and orphan are probably my favorite in the series

>>324084072
If you say so.

Though at this point I think we are kinda just going "nuh uh, yuh huh" at this point. One of us should probably just post evidence of our position.

But Im feeling too lazy for that

>>324083128
So certain bonfires are fueled by undead of the past essentially while others are governed solely by firekeepers?

And Manus wasnt human at one point? Humanity and darkness are intertwined is what Im gathering from the Lore.

When the age of fire is waninv, human mortality becomes a thing of the past and everyone becomes the default state of undead?

Also from what I gather, sunlight warriors fight to keep/regain the age of fire while the Darkwraiths collect/steal humanity to prevent the age of fire from continuing right?

Ive played a shit ton of dark souls and these questions are always rattling around my head. The lore awesome but there seems to be bo concrete evidence of anything.

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>DS3
>on PC
>implying it won't run at 25 FPS even on top machines WITHOUT FPS lock

>>324079578
One of my friends says he fell through the floor while sliding down a ladder, but I never had the problem.

>>324064181
They are different games anon.

BB is fast and encourage encourage aggressive play with that "lifesteal" system.
DaS is slow and encourage conservative play.

>>324084676
nah

DaS also encourages aggression in a similar way

>>324077624
I guess it's that they thought rolling was too powerful in DS1, so they nerfed it a bit. If the player wasn't able to adapt to the smaller amount of i-frames, you could put points into adaptability instead. It's a sort of joke at the player's expense

>>324084234
>99 ADP
lol no
You should end up with at least 100 in the agility stat that ADP influences for at least12 I-frames. Attunement affects agility slightly, but from what I remember, 12 ATT and 24 ADP results in 100 agility, but you'll have to use the stat calculator to be sure.

>>324068029
>forgot this game punishes you for being too aggressive

HA HA HA!!!!
Hilarious.
DaS1 rewards faceroll retard play more than EVERY other game in the series.


Equip High Poise
Get Fast weapon and 2H it.
Enchant with whatever you want
Mash R1
Chug estus as needed

Dark Souls 1 is the most casual of every Souls game

>>324078559
hah you idiot you moved the goalposts and both of you were too stupid to notice, you had a pre-envisioned goal in the argument and you projected it on what the other dude was saying from the start.
Both cancer tbqhwymdfam

>>324083941
>>324083941
What I meant by killing a keeper but the rest continue is that there are no apparent firekeepers near any other flame other than firelink, chaos daughter, and lordran. They are like literally 10 feet from the fire they govern yet other bonfires there is no on around. You say there are keepers we never meet but how do we know?

Grantedbit could be seen the same as the keepers you meet in das2 being the only keepers you ever meet yet all bonfires work.

>>324084850
yeah I meant 99 agi not ADP. It's about 20 ADP I think

>>324084241
Orphan is humanoid.
Ludwig sucks. Like all the beast fights he's a waste of the blood healing mechanic. Why even bother.

>>324085019
What are you calling "Lordran"? That's the entire region where the game takes place. Do you mean Anor Londo with the Brass Hunter firekeeper?

It's not really explained. Guess you can't have a NPC for every fire so they just didn't put one everytime, but logically you can assume there is one for each fire, even if we don't see him.

>>324085156
you have shit taste but okay

and orphan may be humanoid, but he's not humanoid like any other fight in the series

he's not humanoid big guy with sword

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What do you fuckers think of this right here?

>>324085046
I beat das2 my first time without a single point in adap. Didnt even know what it did so it seemed a waste. The only bosses that truly gave me a hard time because of that were The Rotten (his cleaver side swing you have to roll under) and The Brume Knight because of his similar horizontal slash you have to roll under.

Bumping my agility to just like 92ish was more than enough to get by if your reflexes and timing are in point ans by then having to get by the entire fame with base agility, mine were

>>324085381
Orphan plays like a bloodborne tinged Artorias.
>high jump
>sweep
>combo
>backdash
>forwarddash
>back scatter magic projectile
I like him, but Ludwig is still crap. So was Laurence for that matter. Every time DaS style 'stand at the big things legs without locking on and swing away' works a tiny bit of my soul dies.

>>324085802
orphan has like triple the moveset of artorias and is fucking crazy fast though

and his moves are all over the place

in second form he practically spends more time in the air than on the ground if you don't get a good pattern

ludwig is like perfect boss difficulty wise, both of his forms are great and the music is amazing

>>324085314
Yea thats what I meant. Anor Lando. Sorry. Been a while since I played das1 because I 100%-ed it and have since 100% das2 as well.

Been playing das2 recently for the jolly coop

>>324086131
Ludwig is too easy to flank, like almost every big boss in From's catalog.
The speed of Orphan vs Artorias is different but not more different than DaS vs BB orverall. While they have a very similar moveset the big difference between the two is Artorias telegraphs his moves then relies on trying to weird you out with his attack timing, while Orphan of Kos doesn't spend time trying to deceive you he just beats you to the punch.
It makes Artorias wierd but easy once you figure him out, while Kos's kid is just a spaz no matter what.
The only thing I really didn't like about the Orphan is how random his move picking is. He dashes himself out of combat way too often for my taste, and his dash in attacks actually give you the most time to read and parry even when he's airborne.

>>324085640
that's what I was told to level up on /v/ and it's been working okay, sometimes the overhead and stab attacks of bosses get me, but I think that's more of an hitbox issue with the bosses rather than the i-frames of the roll.

>>324086928
Keep in mind attunement also affects agility stat as well. Not near so much as oure adapatabikity would, but my caater guy I made with like 50 attunment and standard adap had around 93 agility I think.

>>324085640
Same, my first char had 4 ADP, but also always used a shield. Didn't roll much.
I'm leveling a DEX char now and I don't really feel the difference. Sometimes I doge, sometimes I don't.