>mediocre meme game with some trannies >tumblr thinks by including trannies that it's THEIR game >media thinks the same way >push it as the Anti-Gamer >game takes off, would have just died off like all other indie shit without the media push
that's how it became the giant piece of shit it is now
>>324021561 >twist on gameplay There was none. Try playing more than 0 games before opining. >the message The message was clear: faggots are hu- monsters too! well-adjusted people are evil, unlike monsters (i.e. the LGBT crowd)! killing is bad hmkay?
>Memes from this shithole taken >A few gay characters and suddenly Tumblr thinks they won and therefore praise it for thinking its pandering toward progressiveness >Can't say anything bad about it either so Journalist are forced to give nothing but positive reviews >If a single person says its shit your a bigot
The game is shit, unoriginal, a rip off from earthbound
But of course games are so shitty now days you have to have no talent to be talented.
i'm not complaining its fun going on a Fake alias on Facebook and shitposting to death
>>324022121 No, it's tumblr: the game through and through. Just because it stole a lot from homestuck (alphys design, undine design, le ebin meta XD, etc.) doesn't mean it's not designed from the get go for the tumblr crowd.
>>324022010 >The game is shit, unoriginal, a rip off from earthbound
Reactions like this are like reactions to TFA calling it A New Hope 2.0 by people who think the prequels were shit.
Along comes an indie game that's not a masterpiece, but not shit either, paying homage to a past golden age, but because it also caters to a demographic you don't approve of you automatically call it shitor a ripoff.
>>324022956 >Earthbound >Masterpiece No one can surely say such an average JRPG be a masterpiece. It has some of the most bare bones mechanics and it takes awhile for rolling HP to matter with the territorial oak and then some of the monsters near the end of the game.
The only thing that it has going for it isn't its mechanics.
>>324021116 Music was great, but i never listened to them anymore. They were good inside the game, if i listened to them when i wasnt playing the game i would feel like a huge faggot. What about the combat system atleast? That was the best thing about undertale. The writing made me cringe multiple times, the humour was ok at certain parts. The game was filled with cliches, and the true ending was overdone.
>>324022827 I avoid tumblr like the plague, and usually do the same to indie titles. I played through undertale to see what the fuss is about and though it's flawed in many ways it was still enjoyable.
>>324022956 >these types of games have already been done and we don't need another
By that logic we should get rid of 99.99% of games on the market. Originality is an overrated concept pushed forward by naive idealists who more often than not can't provide a speck of originality themselves. In the end, it's all memes. Intertextuality, homage and parody, inspiration and copypasta. That doesn't make it bad, on the contrary, it makes things more interesting. Originality is far from a guarantee of quality as well. Name me one game that invented a genre and then afterwards wasn't bested by one of its many copies.
For some reason, one-man games attract the exact kind of person the dev is like (see: Cave Story, where the fans are chill and nice like Pixel), and Tobyfox happens to be a complete douche, not only noticeable from twitter, but old Starmen.net users will likely tell you the same
>>324023380 You mentioned gay fish twice. And neither of the skellies are interested in the same gender, unless you were playing Frisk, a character of ambiguous gender for the player to self-insert, as a boy and asked Papyrus out on a date instead of just hanging out. The two guards are gay for humor in a "no homo" /fit/ sense.
>people shit all over X game >nobody cares >people shits all over Y game >nobody cares
>people shit all over UnderTale >"why you hate this game I like? Waah WAAAH waah !" >here , let me convince you why you're wrong and UT is literally the best game ever
It's okay to like UT. I personally hold it as a solid 6/10 game. I just can't understand how come Americans both can't deal with the fact that <7 score doesn't mean bad (that's what <5 is for) and something as simple as other people shitting on what you like. Just grow up, you massive shelteres pussies. People are going to shit on your feelings . Boohoo.
>>324020906 It has literally all the elements of a tumblr. Compare this shit to something like Homestuck and you'll find that there's a lot in common.
>shippable characters >furbait >plot that's trying hard to be 2meta4u >good music >memes, especially that whole temmy ordeal does it since that's literally how people who've been on tumblr too long actually unironically chat. Googling for an example image to my last point has left me a scarred and broken man.
>>324023435 Because threads get spammed and mods don't delete also the fans of this game have an obnoxiously huge ego that makes it hard to have a discussion without them coming in and trying to fit their meme game into the narrative
The game spent like an hour developing a lesbian relationship between two background characters instead of just tastefully implying it. The only reason to enjoy any of that shit is because people like having their ships confirmed.
Sans is a cool character though, he's a straight up BAMF and I would totally chill with him. Wouldn't want to make him mad though!
>Demo - September 2015 >The only people who knew about it were people who are into RPGmaker/Freeware games (Yume Nikki, Cave Story, OFF) >October - Today >A high percentage of the fanbase consists of autistic FNAF kiddies and special snowflake tumblrinas
Basically, the fanbase If the game was hardly known it would be widely regarded as a hidden gem here and there would be minimal shitposting
>>324024438 >shippable characters Any character in anything is shippable. People ship fucking Star Trek and Looney Tunes characters.
>furbait Characters that have fur are not furbait. The only furbait in the game is that Butter Dragon boss that's only in because a furry donated a large amount of money during the kickstarter. Even then that boss is optional and extremely hidden.
>plot that's trying hard to be 2meta4u Nothing about the plot is very meta except for the save-state gimmick during the Flowey boss fight.
>good music The music fucking sucks.
>memes, especially that whole temmy ordeal does it since that's literally how people who've been on tumblr too long actually unironically chat. There are no memes in Undertale. People have made memes out of Undertale content, but the game doesn't have any pre-existing memes in it on purpose. They they had a rageface enemy or a "why can't I hold all these limes" sidequest then it would have memes in it. But it doesn't, and people will make memes out of anything.
>Good game, shit fanbase Not this fucking shit again. Every time. Every goddamn time anyone discusses anything. A fucking video game, a tv show, an anime, food, fucking anything. There always has to be this goddamn mouthbreathing retard that has to bring up the fact that he does not like the people who like a thing, as if that's relevant to the discussion in any way. We get it. You do not like people in general, and literally everything that could possibly have a fanbase will be full of people you dislike. Good job you fucking genius, thank you for your astounding insight. Whatever the fuck would anyone do without your shitty, brain-numbingly retarded posts.
>A high percentage of the fanbase consists of autistic FNAF kiddies and special snowflake tumblrinas
I came here to basically say this. It's a classic example of a fanbase literally eating what they like alive to the point where it dissuades people who would otherwise play the game from trying it. A few bad eggs ruining for everyone.
I think that not liking or playing a game because of the fanbase is pretty gay but I understand why people would get turned off that much.
I'm just glad I played in before that happened to me. As it stands it was one of my favorite games of last year and a fucking huge surprise to me.
>>324024438 > shippable characters You can ship characters in any fucking work of fiction. The classic example being Kirk shipped with Spock. Point is moot.
> furbait By the same standard wolves in Skyrim or any other WRPG can be considered furbait. They have fur, therefore furries will make furry porn of it. Or take any other old source of fiction in which animals are personifications. Aren't thos furbait too then?
> plot that's trying hard to be 2meta4u
It's mixing elements of the classic "love/friendship triumphs over everything" plot with fourth wall breaking elements. Breaking the fourth wall in itself is a classic device in theatre, what's so bad when it's used in video games?
> good music
How is good music a counter point? Does a game need a shitty soundtrack to not be tumblr? This point is really fucking baffling.
> memes, especially that whole tammy ordeal
Tammy isn't a meme. Let's be clear on this: You use the word meme as "joke/comic relief which I don't like". A meme is a joke that is used repetitively to fit new circumstances. It's not a running gag, but uses the same execution on different situations. When is the Tammy joke ever used for that? Tammy is a random, non-sequiteur character. If you're above having fun with that, fine. It's not even a mandatory part of the game, but at least the randomness of the characters has a point. Nobody in the game will buy your shitty used equipment. Temmy does, because she's a daft, random character, and is likeable because of that. Hmm, having an economic system that actually makes fucking sense sure is fucking tumblr, right?
>>324026206 >A 23 year old kid's garbage was heavily shilled and publicized because of the sjw agenda pushed in media, netting him millions >your actually good videogame that was simple and sweet yet well-developed, of a good length, with good gameplay and music and free, on the other hand, has never and will never be noticed by anyone It hurts
> attack somone for liking someone > bring up a rationally argued defence > So defensive, anon...
If you don't like being refuted, don't state anything. Although this is common practise on this board, you're not entitled to slap someone without being slapped back. Which is really fucking tumblr, by the by.
>be a grown ass man >talk to another friend of mine who is about my age >she's a schoolteacher who works at a high school >we're reminiscing about video games we used to like as kids >ask her if she's played Undertale >she tells me about all the annoying students at her school who are obsessed with it >admits she has no interest in playing it as a result
Anyways, I thought it was interesting to encounter an actual real-life example of Undertale's fanbase being so cancerous that it ruined the game for someone.
I forgot to mention she was a schoolteacher which is why I thought it was funny. High school was a long time ago for me too, but I wonder if there are annoying overzealous fifteen-year-old Undertale fans out there rubbing everyone's noses in it?
Really makes you think you're getting too old for video games.
>she tells me about all the annoying students at her school who are obsessed with it
Because kids liking a video game makes it a bad game? A lot of kids out there like pretty good video games. Some kids just play minecraft all day long. I think its pretty hard to say its a bad fanbase using children as a example based the second assumptions of someone on a somoan tribal tattoo website.
>>324026217 >shit gameplay Feels pretty smooth to me >garbage story It's actually quite intriguing >awful music Objectively wrong >6 hours long all paths combined while taking your time Nigga the neutral run alone is 6 hours even when skipping important things >hidden gem You know jack shit about this game and it sounds like your really blinded by hate Sorry faggot, I don't go around calling games I know nothing about shit
+ soundtrack + humor + characters + interesting combat concept + creative use of meta aspects to lengthen gameplay + dizzying amounts of secrets
- poor overworld sprites - poor overworld engine - hopelessly linear - dodging damage and acting becomes trivial fast - puzzles are completely trivial - complete lack of difficulty curve - player choice mostly opens lore rather than gameplay - very little emphasis on player/loot progression
What went wrong is that /v/ became /pol/ after gubergate. Left or right, people used to care about the quality of the game, or if the games was doing something cool or new. Now, it doesn't matter what the game is trying to do, as soon as it shows any political bent (any opinion, really), this corner of the internet gets buttmad cause some loser on twitter once called you sexist.
Honestly, the only game /v/ can really enjoy now is Tetris, since is devoid of any message or opinion... oh wait, is it Russian? COMMUNISM! Is it a puzzle? CASUALS!
As someone who never played Undertale and reading this thread, I can tell most of /v/ can't make a legit argument on why this, let alone almost any video game is shit. All you need to do is post buzzwords with no context and you won your argument. This thread alone is causing the terms "tumblr" and "SJW" to lose all meaning.
+ combat concept ripped off of only one previous title + about 2 secrets total + small, irrelevant changes based on previous plays
- soundtrack - humor - characters - sprites - engine - so linear you simply head to the right 90% of the time - too easy - puzzles might as well not exist - genocide contains 1% of the story and locks you out of over 90% - no relevant progression
FTFY. If you like the humor or characters, you're confirmed straight out of tumblr. If you like the soundtrack, you're confirmed half-deaf. If you think there are many secrets, you're confirmed born in 2005 or later.
>>324028413 >explains why you're wrong >"tumblrinas everybody!" Is tumblr the only place where people are alowed to have viable arguments? Do you even know what a rebuttal is? By now you just seem like an autistic dropkick.
>>324024732 The demo was only the tutorial. Of course people didn't dislike it back then. None of the cancerous SJW shit was there, none of the stupid trying to hard to be meta story was there, the only characters were toriel and that depressed ghost so you didn't have any of the horrible characters. the game was still easy as fuck but it was a tutorial, too bad the game stayed extremely easy throughout, with only one or two boss fights that are even half difficult.
It's not like the consensus on /v/ changed its opinion overnight just because it got popular. The full game got released and people saw all the stupid shit in it.
>>324029810 Hah, funny enough I taught in Suwon-si (South Korea) last year and I experienced the same thing. Initial joy from the fact that my students love video games, followed by the realization that they only play League.
>>324021206 >>game takes off, would have just died off like all other indie shit without the media push except undertale became big way before people started imagining headcanon sexuality of obvious defined characters and even places like SA are banning tumblrshit from undertale threads
I honestly don't care about you guys think. I am the first to admit that /v/ usually has great taste in games, dispite what everyone jokes about. In this case though I have to say you are wrong. It is a work of love that many games lack these days. The last game that had that kind of love involved was Shovel Knight. Also I am judging this as a game. That mean no fan bases and no creator personality. Once you take that away, you have an extremely unique game that is a breath of fresh air, I don't think anyone can deny me that.
/v/ has excellent taste for systems (God Hand, Dragon Dogma, Killing floor,etc), a healthy mistrust for mainstream gamerculture (doritos pope, halo) , and it's best moments, shows righteous indignation when indie developers confuse tokenism with "progress"
What /v/ is shit at is understanding and accepting change. That's why the conservative mentality has gotten a stronghold here, even when it has nothing to do with games (mainly politics.) If /v/ had it its way, we would still be playing 90's and early 2K's games with Crysis graphics for the rest of human life on earth.
>>324031513 I'm not sure what you mean by "accepting change." Do you mean things like the rise of mobile gaming, social integration and VR? Streaming? What new trends in video games does /v/ seem hostile to?
>Game X is released. >It flies under the radar and no one is talking about it. >Anon plays game X and does not enjoy it. Anon: "Meh, it's not very good"
>Game X is released. >It becomes popular and gains a lot of critical acclaim. Anon: "This memegame is fucking shit 0/10"
It's fine if you didn't enjoy Undertale, taste is subjective and no humour is ever going to appeal to everyone, but the amount of vitriol and hatred some of you guys spew at this game is just pathetic.
Those are good examples, but more generally, /v/ hates when a developer takes a risk to push the boundaries and makes,as a result, a flawed but original games. /v/ hates it particularly when such attempt gains ANY kind of traction (and goes berserk when it becomes popular)
The rest of the world is starting to see games like movies or books. /v/ instead, looks at games like cars: they must be beautiful, cutting edge, and powerful, faster... but fundamentally the same in terms of function.
>>324032670 >generally, /v/ hates games I just cut some of the extraneous words from your post.
No idea why you try to put so much thought into what a perceived hivemind of /v/ thinks. This place is a contrarian shithole. Not just /v/, but all of 4chan. Look at /tv/, those faggots are actually praising the Star Wars prequels now.
I'm not saying real discussion can never be had, but the immediate reaction to everything is "it sucks and you're a faggot for liking it".
Spec Ops: The Line (flawed but an original take on shooter's narratives) Gone Home (very flawed but a reversal of expectations in FPS exploration) Tomb Raider (takes a system's based franchise and adds flawed narrative depth) come to mind
/v/ will put up with mediocrity as long as is tried and true. But if a developer is trying something new and doesn't come near perfection, 'v'v flips out. It really takes a "Journey" level of quality to be both innovative and adored in this site. Otherwise, make another Shantae or Doom 2 mod
>>324021046 So it's pretty much as progressive as Mario 2 was fuggin 20 years ago.
No, you all look at it wrong way. >you find yourself among folks that differs from you >they are generally hostile to you, and even when they don't do it on purpose they harm you and even kill >even the cool skeleton guy is not hiding the fact that he would kill you if it wasn't for his goat friend >all this is justified by their folk legends and beliefs >it is very much reviled of you try to fight them back, even in self-defense >in fact you should keep asking fish lady to be friends as she is beating jesus out of you
>they have nothing in common This is false. The examples I show are the EXACT same tropes, just slightly dressed up differently. Why would you hate one, but like another when there isn't even a difference?
You can't just argue semantics, that does nothing to support the argument at hand.
That's all I wanted to hear. At least maintain a constant, well thought out opinion that doesn't backfire on itself, and there's no problem. You can shit on Undertale all you want if it makes you feel better. Like said, I'll even defend your freedom to say it, even if I don't agree.
That is what /v/ is about, right? Not being a hugbox for jerking off opinions, but a place for well thought arguments to clash in a reasonable, moderate fashion.
>>324041867 I merely said that crossdressers and strong female characters were present in games as far as 20+ years ago (example being Mario 2) and ever since, and yet Undertale is considered innovatory on this field.
>>324042564 I don't know, I can't speak for the others.
But it seems we are in the dark together, I also don't understand why Undertale is proclaimed a flag game of progress; Undyne being a symbol of feminism when Lara Croft or Bayonetta could take this position long ago? Why old games are reviled for making villains out of crossdressers (Flea, Birdo, Poison), while Mettaton is as much of a bad guy?
not the guy you were replying but he's right, the game is so short that every character gets a very small amount of on screen time, they use that to beat you over the head with their trope and never do anything else
i like the part where you "befriend" undyne because it's the only part of the game that breaks that mold a little
>furry goat mom >furry gay goat dad >literal fish bitch >"The Cheat" knockoff >bear trader >rabbit trader >literally everything except the retarded and fat skeletons are animals, and the flower but who gives a shit
>>324027341 if i hadn't played undertale before the fanbase reached critical autism levels i probably wouldn't have played it. there are autismos in every fanbase, but when the vast majority is the autismos, it gets embarassing. Especially when you can't go one youtube video without some mongrel not even a quarter of my age RPing as an undertale character or posting undertale related memes i just hope the popularity dies down, so that I dont feel so ashamed that I have similar tastes in videogames as a person who masturbates to shadow being a toilet.
>>324046756 it's not about being a hipster you fucking pickle tickler it's about not wanting to see it everywhere i go, on every damn youtube video and that general shit. i don't give a fuck if a game is popular, but if a game is popular AND has a rabid fanbase, aspergers suddenly present everywhere
>>324046916 He isn't clever in pointing that out. He knew exactly what he was fucking doing. He just said that because it makes him look like some awesome, cool, insightful and non-egotistical dude.
Yet Toby was going "HUR DUR ALL DOES MGSV FAGS ARE DOWN VOTING ME ON META LOL MY GAME IS BETTER THAN MGSV LOL KOJIMADRONES". And when people called him on being a cunt, the TDF comes up going "j-j-just a prank bro!".
Hell, Honest Trailers did a trailer for Undertale, and guess what fucking happened in their comment sections?
>>324047684 if you were playing and enjoying a vidgam only to go online and find out that the entire fanbase consists of people who like to fuck their own dogs and eat their own shit, wouldn't you feel ever so slightly uncomfortable?
>>324044980 Well, to be honest, I haven't. I've just cleared the Neutral Route. By the time I learned that you don't have to kill anyone, I was up against Undyne. I don't mind spoilers, so what does the pacifist ending got to do with tumbr?
>board likes thing >thing gets popular and praise from external websites >Tumblr also starts liking thing >board gets mad when thing gets this popular >board will start being contrarian and say they hate/always hated thing
>>324048862 >And I didn't notice any landwhales in my playthrough.
Alphys is a landwhale but it's hard to tell by her sprite in the overworld, you need to do her dating sidequest to see it.
>>324048249 Considering that i do not fuck dogs or eat my own shit, and assuming that the hypothetical vigam than i liked did not contain dog fucking or shit eating then no, i would not feel uncomfortable at all, just really fucking confused.
I get it though. I understand how this social stigma/guilt by association of taste stuff works. I just chose not to let it affect my opinions the media i consume.
>>324054646 What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>324056246 I must have missed the global rule instated and an entire new board kept to contain them. The only negative Undertale shit I see is troll threads made by shitposters about the fanbase itself.
>>324020906 >tumblr >has scat pages Shit's okay by me, I liked the game, was it GOTY? No not by a long shot. Would I highly recommend it? Yes, Did i notice SJW overtones? Not even a little. It was a good little game and that's it.
I personally found the combination of Turn Based + Bullet Hell quite original and nice.
I found the music good, the worst being merely competent or generic-sounding, the best being quite fitting.
I found some plot elements kind of stupid. Asriel/Flowey should have been saved/revived entirely or should have sacrificed him/itself in breaking the barrier, it seems a bit odd to just leave him in the underground there should have been more information on the 6 other kids, the game could have been a bit longer as we never got to really "see" much of the underground
>>324060448 perhaps he can be the next Bill Waterson, or something.. (and have a sense of integrity about shit)
I'm excited for his next work, hopefully it will be good.
>>324061992 >complain about a group that spouts incoherent fairytales that would never work in the real world. >shill a different group that spouts incoherent fairytales that would never work in the real world.' Christians on 4chan are the fucking worst.
>>324061992 If you're talking about that Christian video game site, you should actually take a look at it instead of being dismissive. They're upfront about the fact that they review games with a particular ideology in mind (rather than Polygon who do have an agenda but are evasive about it), but they create two scores for the games they review - one which is about the merits of the game itself, and the other the merits of the game for Christian people. This is an excellent system and should be rolled out across the board. Personally, I can completely accept Polygon reviewing Bayonetta and saying whatever they want about it in terms of sexism, and then giving it a separate "progressive" score, but then reviewing it dispassionately as a game and giving it a game score.
It's what journalists should do. They should review a game objectively, and then subjectively. Too bad that actually requires work, so they don't even bother to do it and instead talk about Filipino politics despite being a rich white dude who lives in San Francisco.
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