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Do you think The Old Hunters is better than Artorias of the Abyss?
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No sonypony.
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>>323958067
This. I promise you guys that is BB was multiplat it would be panned as being fucking terrible. People only praise it because it is an exclusive.
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>>323958739
>>323958067
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>>323958739
>>323958067
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>>323958739
why would people praise a game for being exclusive you dumb fuck
most people rather shit on games they didn't get to play since they are exclusives
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>>323957882
for my dick, yes. (thank you lady maria)
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Yeah I think so. It added more substance to the main game as a whole than AotA did. Lots more replay value.
Both are still 10/10 though.
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>>323958947
>M-my platform was worth purchasing! I-i get to play this game none of you can play so you can't verify if it is good!!
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I don't know if it's better, but it did more for Bloodborne than AotA did for Dark Souls. Though that comes naturally given the differences is quantity of content of the base games.
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>>323958739

more like if BB was multiplat everyone would collectively sucking this game's dick
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Definately
3 challenging boss's, whereas only manus was mildly challenging in aota
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Its threads like these that make me unable to gauge if BB is actually a good game or not.
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I think the areas in Old Hunters are better but DS might have slightly better bosses. The Artorias of the Abyss story is amazing where Old Hunters its just pretty good with the exception being Ludwig acquiring the Moonlight GS is a huge what the fuck moment. Obviously they're both great but I think Old Hunters wins out simply because it adds so many new weapons.
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Undoubtedly
Doubling the amount of trick weapons along with adding 3 fantastic bosses was essential in making Bloodborne feel more complete
AotA had a handful of cool boss fights, enjoyable NPC's and it was neat going backwards through Darkroot Garden, but that was about it
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>>323959358
I'd argue Kalameet was the hardest boss of Dark Souls though.
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>>323957882
Apples and Oranges.
I think Dark Souls could have not included Artorias, and it still would have been a sublime game.

The Old Hunters was necessary because Bloodborne, although a fantastic game, didn't have the variety or replayability of the Dark Souls games. The Old Hunters gave it that.

I think Old Hunters was better, but because it was borderline necessary. I think Artorias was perfect additional DLC, but not necessarily needed.
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>>323957882
Artorias had better bosses and friendly npcs, but the environments were extremely lacking. I liked old hunter's weapons and outfits better. I still used gear and weapons from the base gear after I beat Artorias. They are both good for different reasons.
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>>323959634
uh he's easy
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>>323958947

Happens all the time.

I still remember getting burned by Resident Evil Revelations because everyone was collectively sucking its dick at the time of 3ds release.
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>>323959358
Artorias may not have been very hard, but he was incredibly fun to fight. Same with Kalameet
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Yes. AotA is very overrated. The bosses are fun but a step down in design from the main game, enemies aren't fun to fight, and the levels mediocre.
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>>323959773
Does the old hunters add that much? I've bought it but haven't played it, starting to regret it.
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Yes.

AotA wasn't even that good. You got 2 passable levels and 1 shite one along with 2 good bossfights and 2 mediocre ones. It was also very sloppily integrated into the main game and relied on time travel retardation to make it work.

TOH doubles the weapon count, adds 3 well designed areas with unique enemies and had some of the best boss fights and boss themes in the franchise.

Fuck knows why /v/ busts a nut to AotA.
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>>323959976
The one on the left is the most attractive no pedo.
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>>323959804

Wasn't sure if you were baiting but now I know you are.
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>>323959917

endyourlife.exe
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>>323959976

>dem spanx creepin' into view on the far right photo
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>>323958947

Are you retarded? People do it all the time because of

>m-muh brand loyalty
>NEVER EVER
>PCucks

All that stupid shit. For what ever reason, people feel they need to pick a side, draw a line in the sand and call everything on the opposite side shit, while defending what they have on their side.

The only acceptable thing is to be an idort.
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>>323960189
I only ever fought the boss's in AoTA at sl1, and kalameet was the easiest, just learn all the attacks he can do then dodge them, they're all pretty easy to dodge.
Manus has the black magic hadouken that can be tricky to get past if you're not ready or sure when to roll and that takes you out in one hit at sl1.
Took me like 6 tries on kalameet to beat him
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>>323957882
Yes.
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Yes. Ludwig and Orphan alone make it better. The clock tower is an awesome area and the design and atmosphere of Fishing Hamlet is top tier.
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Yes. I honestly found AotA to be the worst dlc of the threye games. Artorias was a pretty fun fight but I hated Manus and Kalameet. AotA also added very little if you weren't using a sorcery build as we got mostly hexes out of it. IMO the crowns dlcs and Old Hunters had better boss fight a and added more overall content.
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>>323960383
>just learn all the attacks he can do then dodge them

You can say that for every boss in existence though.

Now Manus' black magic CAN be a bitch, but only if you don't know that you can spam the silver pendant to nullify it.
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Absolutely.

But then, vanilla Bloodborne is much worse than vanilla Dark Souls.
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>>323959424
Bloodborne is a fantastic game.
It has the highest critical acclaim of the Souls series, and the love of the Souls community (after DaSII soured everyone).

Exclusivity has nothing to do with why Bloodborne is amazing. It's just a near perfect game, like DaS and DeS before it.
If you enjoyed the Souls games, chances are you, you'll enjoy Bloodborne too.
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>>323960752
The absolute only thing Dark Souls has over BB is content and that's it.
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>>323959948
It adds a lot if you don't go online and read spoilers and guides. Some cool lore stuff, the best weapons in the game, and some cool clothes.
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>>323960189
Not sure if I'd call him easy, but he definitely isn't even close to being hardest in the game.
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>>323960863
Agreed.
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>>323960714
yes but kalameet's attack are easy to dodge
and yes you can spam silver pendant on the other 2, but the quick hadouken one come's to fast, but probably possible. Just gotta really be on the ball, I guess.
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>>323960094
Full pedo senpai, it's alright
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Best DLC boss: Orphan, Maria, or Ludwig?

My vote goes Orphan
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>>323958067
>>323958739
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>>323959482
The new weapons and transformations make the game finally feel complete. Base game has so few options that there's no point in playing it more than once.
I remember DS2's DLC having a lot of really great levels and a couple great boss fights but none of the treasure you bring back was really worth it. Most of the weapons and spells were worse than what you could get in the base game and only worth using because they had some fun gimmick to them.
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>>323957882
Artorias of the Abyss is better, but The Old Hunters did more for Bloodborne than Artorias did for Dark Souls.
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>>323961181
Maria imo if you dont use parry
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>>323959976
>that middle shot
>2004

Holy shit where did the time go
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>>323961181
It would have been Maria, had it not been so hyped, Literally every forum and clickbait built her up to be the hardest thing every.

I beat her my second try with the sawblade. With flame paper I was able to stunlock her to the tune of 3/4 of her health.

Ludwig was probably the best because of lore fuckery, and the Moonlight Greatsword.
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>>323961181
Fun : Maria

Challenge: Orphan

Theme: Ludwig
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>>323961420
She was too easy to stunlock.
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Yes.

I love AoTA, but It boils down to this:

>Walk forward down short tunnel
>Fight beast
>Walk forward, light bonfire
>Walk forward out and over bridge into a big circular spawn dump
>Walk past that and down an elevator
>Walk forward to fog gate
>Kill a great boss
>Walk forward and down a bunch of steps
>Arrive at a cube with spawn dumps
>Walk forward and fight a chainmonster
>Walk forward and light bonfire
>Walk forward through cave along the path till you fight Manus

It's great, but it's very linear and homogenous in hindsight, very little variety and it feels very rehashy of darkroot.

Bloodbornes DLC is similar in that it's a twist on a previous area of the game, but it breaks the sequence and you're jumping through various parts of the city, going up and down and around, then climbing a vertical tower and then through a fishing village.

It's kind of like AotA, but just more polished and with more finess.

Artorias is a great boss, but he's very simplistic compared to Maria because of course, it's new tech. She has more movesets, more phases in the fight, and in my opinion has more emotional weight because it's basically a fight against the person who's been leveling you up and being your friend the entire game.
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Is The Old Hunters the best DLC ever created?

I'd say it is.

-absolutely amazing bosses
-good and varied environments
-perfect atmosphere
-great level design
-adding a shitton of weapons
-awesome music
-good difficulty

Is there even a single bad thing about the DLC? The only thing I can think of are that Laurence and the ayyliens aren't perfectly unique enemies, but a mere twist.
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>>323959634
Of the series as a whole? Cause that's Sighn
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>>323961573
I only played against her with BoM and Rakuyo so i wouldnt know really.
If talking about difficulty, i got raped hard by ludwig with BoM in my first playthrough
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>>323961668
Extremely dissapointed with Laurence being a reskin, but I did actually enjoy the Living Failures. The meteor shit was awesome and their theme was pretty good.
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>>323961181
Ludwig. No other fight had my nerves so frayed, not even orphan. Honorable mention for the fishmen in the well.
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>>323961574
>your friend
The Doll is Maria in image only.
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>>323960714
Manus is easier if you don't even bother with the pendant. The shotgun blast you can dodge to the side if you're circling him when he fires, which you should always be doing anyway. The one where it rains from the sky you can dodge by just rolling around, and the one where you have to run in to him you can either recognize and run to safety or if you're caught off guard you can just put your back to him with your shield up and you'll take some damage but not that much.
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can someone explain to me why people think any of the bosses in AotA are hard? they are so fucking predictable and are easy as fuck to manipulate into a patern
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>>323961574
To me it had emotional weight because I couldn't believe the doll was based on such a generic, boring JRPG villain.

I was kinda mad.

But the fight itself is well-designed regardless of how silly it is.
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>>323962414
They're abnormally agressive compared to the rest of the bosses in the game.

I imagine most people found that change in fundamental design to be challanging.
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>>323962414
Kalameet was hard for me on my first playthrough of the DLC because he has such good resistances and I was using a demon spear.
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>>323962414
There are 3 kinds of bosses
>easy from the start
>easy once you learn all their patterns
>still challenging even if you know the fight
The problem is people like who come in and say "oh this boss was so easy" don't distinguish between the two types of easy. There's a substantive difference between a boss like Gaping Dragon who's a huge pussy from the start and a boss like Artorias.
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>>323959976
she got hot
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>>323960863
And build diversity and level design and online mechanics and alternative playstyles and replayability and itemization and healing mechanics.
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>>323960863
>>323963949
And combat mechanics and setting and atmosphere and progression.
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>>323964060
>combat mechanics
>stack poise and spam r1+estus
nah
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>>323964060
>>323963949


Dark Souls certainly has strictly worse combat mechanics, level design, atmosphere, enemy design, boss design, movesets, story, etc.
But I guess it has more fucked-up mechanics, more incomplete areas, more shitty bosses, etc.
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>>323963949
>>323964060
Yeah, nah.
I'd even struggle to give alternate playstyles to Dark Souls when the weapon movesets are so shallow and when the only difference between each type of magic is the colour of shit that comes out your hand.
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>>323964936
>Dark Souls
>spam R1
>spam healing
>compared to Bloodborne.

jej
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>>323959976
so... she's fat now?
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>>323965427
Is this Loss?
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>>323965141
As opposed to BB's pathetic excuse for arcane? Nigga please.
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>>323965427
see
>>323963818
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someone help me beat Laurence
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how to dodge Ludwig's ceiling crawl attack
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>>323965689
dodgespam
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>>323965689
Watch the blood drips. There are two and then he drops on the third beat.
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>>323965529
>no softcap
>pretty much all of the tools have some use
>can parry with auger
>retarded damage potential on a call beyond

>pathetic
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>>323965529
Magic is the worst part of the souls series.
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>>323965689
Run straight in a line
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>>323965689

That is actually one of the easiest attacks to dodge. You can simply outrun it. Just start sprinting in any random direction and he can never it you.

Turn around the moment he falls and you can even punish him with 1-2 hits.
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TOH definitely has more substance to it, but they are both kind of similar being time travel and shit. I think I like the areas that TOH gave us a bit better. Not to mention the DLC pretty much DOUBLED the weapons in the game and gave us even more neat armors and spells.
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>>323957882
Absolutely. The Royal Wood is my least favorite zone ever. Don't know why, I just hate it. Artorias also isn't really as good a fight as everyone says. Ludwig, Maria, and Orphan are all better than him.
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>>323963818
>>323965535
>Not having seen quite a few shops in your time
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>>323965993
>>323965962
Not him but doing this would literally kill me 100% of the time. I avoided the attack by rolling like a madman and hoping for the best.
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>>323965876
how did bb manage to make it even worse
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By fucking far both in terms of bosses and level design.
Also has way more cool new equipment.
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>>323961331
>found pilgrim's spontoon and magic twinblade
>both of them are shit as both weapons and casting tools on top of having batshit retarded requirements
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>>323966337
It didn't.
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>>323966464
It only feels that way because vanilla BB had so little equipment.
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>>323966337
BB has by far the best magic in the entire franchise as it actually takes skill to use.
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>>323966639
it did
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>>323966225

You are doing something severly done then, although I cannot think of any way to fuck this strat up. Since I started doing it that attack hasn't hit me even once.

You just start sprinting in a straight line in a random direction, and he literally cannot hit you.
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>>323962414
Manus and Kalameet take forever to kill and do ridiculous damage. I did it on NG+ for the first time and Manus' 10k hp was fucking absurd, a lot more difficult than any other boss in the game anyway.
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>>323965689
i don't even remember him doing this
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>>323966738
>it's good because it's shit
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>>323966225
Just run in a straight line none stop as soon as he is on the roof, dont waste any time and dont change direction.
Also dont go to the stairs or parts of the level that are higher to the ground
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>>323966663
No, it feels that way because it added much more content as an expansion for each build which is in direct contrast to Dark Souls which only added broken ass magic and 4 melee weapons.
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>want to run through DaS 1/2 and BB in prep for DaS3
>tfw remembering Capra
>tfw remembering Izalith
>tfw remembering Amana
>tfw remembering Dragon Shrine

God dammit. I've never done a magic build so I guess I'll try it out?
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>>323966663
Each trick weapon is worth at least 2-3 DS1 weapons in terms of moveset on top of having unique gimmicks going on for some of them. AotA added like 12 weapons most of them were absolute dogshit with the exception of 2-3 and only one of them was really amazing.
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>>323966880

muh soul spear variations
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>>323966941
*6, half of them were shit though.
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>>323967134
Don't forget lightning spear
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>>323967134
>>323967283
don't forget all those utility spells and those spells that aren't soul spear or lightning spear
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>>323967134
Can't wait to go back to 1000 version of soul arrow, now with soul darts.
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>>323966337
It didn't honestly
Ds2 did Magic the worse because it was just tryhards just using soul spears, affinity, climax,spam
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>>323967049
>Each trick weapon is worth at least 2-3 DS1 weapons

Most trick weapon transformations are basically just two-handing.
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So, only having just beat blood starved beast should I get the DLC or continue on with the vanilla game?
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>>323967365
BB has utility consumables instead which are also much more powerful at what they are doing.
Blue elixir makes you legit almost invisible and lead elixir is a much more powerful iron flesh.
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>>323967628
That's absolutely false.
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>>323967479
yeah instead of bb where nobody uses anything outside of gimmick builds because empty phantasm is shit and arcane scaling weapons all suck giant dick
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>>323967705
DLC is endgame stuff. but feel free to go in and grab some items/weapons
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>>323967628
Except it also changes weapon scaling and properties, adds new unique effect and entirely different weapon moveset plus trick combo attacks and post-trick attacks.
It's obvious that you've never actually played bb in your life so think before posting stupid shit next time.
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>>323967705
You're not going to want to do DLC until at least level 70.

The first area of Old Hunters is probably one of the most intimidating god damn things I've ever played in a Souls game.
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>>323967897
I'm laughing at you really hard right now nigger.
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>>323967628

Yes, most. Like Boomhammer, Reiter, Amygdalan, Saw Spear, Saw Cleaver, Cane, Beast Cutter, Beast Saif, Tonitrus, Stake Driver, etc. Literally half are 1h-1h.
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>>323968056
>>323967705
It is worth just running past most of the dudes to try to find the Beast Cutter.
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>>323968140
based church pick bro
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>>323967993
>Except it also changes weapon scaling and properties, adds new unique effect

Exception, not the rule.

>entirely different weapon moveset

Yeah like Hunter's Axe or the fire hammer, right?

>trick combo attacks and post-trick attacks

Woah, one extra attack.

It's pretty obvious you're a cockgarbling BBfag who can't comprehend how anyone could consider it inferior to DaS. That's fine.
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>>323968203
>a serrated blessed hyperarmor breaking thrusting weapon with overheads, sweeps, pokes and gascoine uppercut on r2
Literally perfect.
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>>323968140
>I went with a strength build

At least Big Amy's Arm is cool
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>>323968140
>haha i killed a shitter, arcane so gud
>both using the shield that practically negates the entire arcane game, only got a shot in at spawn

hurrdurr
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>>323968569

? Strength is amazing. 1h Bloodletter is absolutely retarded, and so is Whirl, and a ton of other shit.
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Ya

Old hunters was challenging whereas aota was mostly easy aside from manus and maybe kalameet

Old hunters has better content too
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>>323958739
>>323958067
cucked
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>>323968360
>Exception
Wheel, tonitrus, boom hammer, chikage, bowblade, bloodletter, mlgs all change their scaling in tricked mode completely while even more weapons get serrated or blessed modifiers in tricked modes.
And that's not counting trick weapons with built-in guns.
>Hunter's Axe
A weapon which gets an entirely different moveset in tricked mode? What about it?
>one
Two trick attacks on every weapon coupled with post-trick attacks on specific weapons.

Try harder.
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>>323968741
Church Pick doesn't scale with strength, right?

I went Strength/Arcane, so I have like no points in Skill and Bloodtinge, so Pick and Bloodletter is offlimits to me for now.
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>>323958739
you are fukin retarded
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>>323957882
Yeah. The moonlight great sword sold me, and thats after the first boss
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>>323968993
CP is skill.
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>>323968714
>practically negates the entire arcane game
It only blocks around 60% of arcane damage and gets broken after a single strong cast.
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>>323968993
Church pick is a quality skill weapon, but you can make it work on pure STR if you're up to farming headless BSB in cursed dungeons for a little.
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>>323968714
You're merely pretending, right?
Right?
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>>323969118
>it only makes bad projectiles even worse

A point invested in arcane is better invested in bloodtinge. Period.
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>>323969519
>i don't understand what the fuck i'm talking about
Stay retarded.
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>>323969683
>i beat shitters online with a bad build, that makes it viable

stop
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>>323968140
>all the shield usage
and the cancer returneth
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>>323961668
It's close to perfect... but not quite.

HoS on the other hand added so much more content than old hunters. Notices, contracts, areas, armor and gear, characters, romances, new story quests, and even more side quests. Alll based roughly on the difficulty of the end of the game and scaling up.

BrB have to go to my hypestation for Blood and Wine.
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>>323969875
Show me a build that can get more AR on most light weapons than arcane one on top of having tools that outdamage guns by far and weapon with built-in 1hko wog, shitter. I will wait.
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It's not hard to be better than AOTA. It was 4 bosses and a handful of new content. I have no idea why people hold it in such a high regard.
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>>323969492

The Parasite is surprisingly good for PvP. I don't even have "top tier" gems for it (because fuck farming) and it does amazingly well.
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>>323970304
Parasite is an overall amazing weapon even without 1hko wog. Fast pokes, multihit attacks, hyperarmor breaking. Chikage fags are always shitting the bed against it because only one of their weapons have at least somehow viable moveset that can counter Parasite's dashes.
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>>323961392
>Artorias of the Abyss is better
How so? I'm not even baiting, just how so?
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>>323970081
nobody cares about your walking simulator
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>>323957882
>Do you think The Old Hunters is better than Artorias of the Abyss?
I have no idea what this even is lol wow kid go outside.
You literally might as well say
"Do you think that gobbly gook is better than bwong bwong bowng?"
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>>323972923
What is this post?
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>>323972923
Its confirmed that you don't have a brain
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Hell yes it is.

Maria >> Artorias
Orphan >> Manus
Fishing Hamlet and Research Lab >> Oolacile
Bloodborne music >> DaS music

That being said, Artorias is still one of the best DLCs ever and I would never shit talk it.
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>>323957882
Yah

OH had great bosses and weapons
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>>323972923
I laughed. Pretty good but don't do it again.
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>>323965427
>ruff news
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So, is Beasthood still an unfinished mechanic? Did they fix it at all?
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>>323972923
>>323973007
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>>323965427
I fucking love dogs
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>>323957882
I'd say they're on par.
I liked Old Hunters more, especially the bosses, but AotA was still damn good.
I might have to revisit Dark Souls though, I've been on a Bloodborne binge lately so I'm probably rather biased.
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>>323973980
Holy shit, source on that manga?
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>>323974128
That's Berserk, you fool.
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>>323974128
Berserk

But the image is an edit
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>>323957882
Absolutely.
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I still don't understand elemental damage. So if I put an arcane damage gem into my weapon does it do the base damage + the arcane damage or just the arcane damage?
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>>323961181
Ludwig.
He had the full beast mode to begin with, then transitioned into a more familiar fighting style, both of which were full of moves unique to him. As a fight he is always fun.
He was also pretty big in the lore, so to actually see him and what he'd become was fantastic. Not to mention he can give you the best and most thematically appropriate version of the Moonlight Sword in all of From's work.

Maria was certainly fun and interesting, even if she was too easy to beat, but Orphan was surprisingly dull for a Great One styled boss.
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>>323968381
Fuck off, she's mine.
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>>323974128
Berserk. A fantastic fan edit that.
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>>323973980
Why is their always someone getting raped on berserk?
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I love how these Bloodborne threads get the most attention every single day. It must be a great game, can't wait to play it in a few weeks for the first time. I'm pretty excited.
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>>323974854
Gotta traumatize the characters somehow
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>>323974670
Changes everything to arcane damage, same with fire/bolt.
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>>323974670
You'll notice on the weapon stats when you're about to put an arcane gem into it that it'll show your Phys dropping to zero.
Arcane will overwrite the physical unfortunately, but if you have an ARc build it might not be so bad.
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>>323974924
More people got PS4s since the price drop
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>>323974924
Have fun anon.
The /vg/ general for it is also quite civil, if you can get past Lucifer shitting up the fucking place.
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>>323967365
yeah sucks that you can't stack on the buffs to turn on easy mode any more
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>>323975004
I'm on NG+ with a skill build but I've already gotten my skill to 50 and don't know what I should do with my echoes now. I was considering doing arcane because I use the Cane and Church Pick, but wasn't sure.
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>>323960863
>dark souls
>better level design
>every enemy can knock you into pits at every point of the game
>better level design than strategic placement of enemy groups that require thought to approach

lol, dark souls is a good game but the level design was atrocious even compared to demon's souls, shut up bitch, stop shitting on shit you never played and go be salty elsewhere
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Overall? Definitely. Awesome areas and so many awesome weapons. Great bosses too.

But I still think Artorias is the hypest boss.
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>>323975213
I think you replied to the wrong post.
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>ran through DeS/DaS 1 on my brothers/my old PS3 while I was staying at my parents house for break
>not sure if I wanna just do an Arcane run for BB or if I should just get SotFS
I didn't play DaS 2 on break specifically because it was a chore to play. Does SotFS make it any less of a chore?
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>>323975728
No, Dark Souls 2 is unredeemable.
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>>323975201
Is your VIT up to 50 too? That's something the Echoes can build on.
Otherwise, you really only need your echoes to buy extra vials, bullets, and other consumables. Bone Marrow Ash is a prime candidate, as is Lead Elixers for if you're PvPing and need a bit of help with a gank squad.
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>>323957882
Any hints for noobs? It seems i will buy ps4 soon and i will play Bb firstly.
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>>323961936
>Sinh
He's basically a more forgiving Kalameet that actually flies. That's fine with me though because Kalameet is my favourite DaS series boss fight so Sinh is top 10 easily.
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>>323961668
just
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>>323976385

This is it dude.

The one place in the game where you should use Shaman Bone Blades.

It's their time to shine.
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>>323957882
Honestly I don't think so. Not much in the original bloodborne game hinted at some untold story that needed to be explained. Although in Dark Souls, there is tons of context surrounding Gwyn's big 4 and what happened to them, along with what the Dark was and what the pygmy might have been. the Artorias of the Abyss DLC felt like a necessary and worthwhile addition. Although the Old Hunters DLC was a great addition, it didn't have that extra feeling of necessity.
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>>323958739
>>323958067
This game's still fresh, but your bait ain't.
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>>323976239
Get 50 str 25 dex.
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Outta my way tasteless fucking shits here I come

DaS 2 > BB > DaS > DeS
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>>323959809
Revelations 1 was badass faggot shut your bitch ass up.
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>>323976920
you're in your own way
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>>323976239
50 bloodtinge, 50 arcane, Kirkhammer and canon with nothing in vit and end
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>>323959804
You fucking idiot.
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>>323976385

bolt paper, learn how to get the visceral, as he gets up get another visceral, kill him before he gets to his buddy. you can do it anon.
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>>323976920
What the fuck am I reading
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>>323976974
>>323976920
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>>323976920
You know, I honestly can't go back to a quick build in a Dark Souls game after Bloodborne. Bloodborne just did fast paced DS gameplay so much better than DS ever did. When I feel like being tanky again, I can go back to DS and have a great time.
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>>323976239
Don't put your END over 20

Other than that, just play through the game gradually adding points to Vit and damage stats. Your first run will be shit any way, so you might as well spread some stats around so you can meet the requirements of as many weapons as possible to try them out and see what fits your playstyle.
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>>323976920
The cringe thread's two blocks down.
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I really wish the Milkweed rune made you look more like a squid and less like a cauliflower.
Kos parasite looks pretty rad but I don't want to fucking look like that.
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>>323957882
I just played Artorias of the abyss. It's a definite yes that Old Hunters is better.

The first area is a great reminder of what Old Hunters did to the town-even with the rehashed enemies.

The first boss was also extremely significant and tied with the theme of heroes commiting great sins and turning to the 'dark' side.

The next level of Old Hunters is way more complicated and atmospheric than Oolacile township. You have tortured NPCs with dialogue that foreshadows Maria. Tons of NPCs talking about either the pain of the surgical procedures or the sounds that they hear. The enemy variety is greater, the encounters are more unique. There are trap bookcases. Etc etc.

I won't even go talking about fishing Hamlet, because it's the same story there. Atmosphere, level design, and how it builds up the final boss of the area are just way better done than DS1 DLC.

And I didn't even talk about the multi-stage boss fights and score of the DLC. Sure you have Living Failures, but I see that encounter as a sort of lore boss in that it's there to show you the final result of what happens to the patients you've been fighting all this time.

I don't understand this meme of hating newer FROM games being better than DS1. You want game companies to do better than what they did before.
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>>323975232
He has an awesome moveset, just wish he had a second phase.
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>>323979903
I wish he didn't have his little AoE bullshit.
Literally free hits.
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>>323980090
b-but powering up is cool
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>>323979709
Fishing hamlet is one of worst locations in the entire souls franchise, trumped in shittiness only by forbidden forest and lost izalith.
Also I can't believe you're saying that research hall has great enemy variety, it's fucking seven billion patients and like a raven, a rat and a random hunter.
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>>323958067
>>323958739
IT'S
NOT
FAAAAAAIIIIIIR!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
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>>323976239

Just go with the flow, as long as you don't neglect your VIT stat.

You'll have a lot to get used to if you've never played a Souls game before, though.
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Yes, I enjoyed over all more.

Manus is still the best though.
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>>323963949
Bloodborne legitimately has better level design that Dark Souls.

There's less areas in BB of course, but holy shit they're fucking huge, especially Yharnham and Forbidden Woods. All the DLC areas are pretty massive too.
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>>323981292
And don't forget the meticulous attention to detail in every area in the game.
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>>323957882
fuuuck, that Brotherhood of the wolf style on everything is just right up my alley.
I hope From keeps making unforgiving and challenging games but with a new style every time like with this one.
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>>323980274
>Fishing hamlet is one of worst locations in the entire souls franchise

I'm not the same guy and I'm not going to argue with the rest of your point but this is just plain wrong.
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>>323976920
What the fuck are you even
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The Research Hall is one of the most disgusting areas I think I've ever seen in a game.

That room with all of them in the beds nearly made me physically ill.
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>>323981558
Love it.

I'm actually playing through SOTFS right now with a friend, and fuck me coming right off BB to this is jarring, everything in this game is so damn half assed, it controls like shit, and the game is ugly as shit too.

I was looking forward to weapon variety, but so far there's fuck all actual good weapons, and most of the weapons I've found are outclassed in scaling by later ones and become completely redundant. So I now have an inventory full of like 40 weapons, but only about 5 are actually viable to use.

Also what in the fuck did they do to greatswords in this game? They're complete shit, fucking rapiers and SS's outclass the shit out of them.
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>>323981916
Lady Maria was a cunt, she deserved all those visceral attacks she got from me.
Gherman has absolute shit taste in women.
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>>323982293
She was just hot blooded
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>>323982442
fuck you
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Old Hunters > 3 Crowns > Artorias of the Abyss
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>>323957882
why do i have to go through 100 guards to get to him
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>>323982687
because hes easy as shit and you can skip all the mobs as well
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DaS = BB = DeS > DaS2

DaS2 has the best PvP and most varied builds/weapons/armour. Everything else is strongly inferior to the other games.

This is the only correct opinion.
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>>323970082
STR / Quality with heavy abyssals gets more and does more, since element defense does more than physical.
>build-in 1hko wog
Bloodletter.
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>>323984751
The only reason that DaS is better than BB is because it came first. But I agree
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AoTA brought Dark Bead, Pursuers, and Gold Tracer, which plagued the game for years to come

OH brought Beasthunter Saif, Bloodletter, and Rakuyo, which will plague the game for two months until everyone goes to Dark Souls 3

>>323986320
That's an equal sign man
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>>323961323
This imagine is hilarious because I actually have a buff bro friend that plays xbone, a lard ass neckbeard friend that exclusively plays on pc, and a manchild friend of my roommate's who brings his Wiiu over (we're in our late twenties) and then proceeds to connect these little toys to the fucking thing. My other roommate and I nearly died laughing from the second-hand embarrassment.
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>>323959976
>>323963818
>>323966115
keep posting
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>>323966225
I dodge it every single time by just sprinting straight. Absolutely has to be a straight line though.
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>>323960189

Anon, he was sort of easy. Just a matter of no-locking and running in and out to avoid the downwards dark flames attack. If you were heavy loaded you were fucked, but by the point of this fight if you didn't learn to go lightweight and rolling you deserved to be burned into a charred black crisp.
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>>323959358
The failures were a fucking dumb fight
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>>323973551
uhhh beast mode works well with it. can get your dmg up pretty high.
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>>323976385

Once I figured out that they can be viceraled they went from "Jesus, NO FUCK!" to "Oh, okay...". Worst part is once I found this out it was on the kill to get the Rakuyo, so I didn't have to deal with them anymore.
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>>323966337
>magic now requires thought and resources
>cant spam from the edge of lock on range
>worse
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>>323959482
What I don't like about it is that, sure they add 10 or so new weapons, but most of them are just arbitrarily found on corpses within 5 minutes of starting the DLC.

This doesn't matter so much for stuff like the beast cutter etc. but the katana/dagger thing which is a loreheavy weapon is obtained by killing an enemy that has nothing to do with its lore. Similarly the fucking amydgala arm is just found in some artificial difficulty bullshit area too, that basically forces most players to make a suicide run just to get it, it should've at least been on like an actual amygdala corpse or something.

The only weapons that felt like they are where they should be are the church cannon, bloodletter mace thing, ludwigs sword, and the bowblade.

The souls games are for the most part, known for attention to detail in everything including item placement.

Maybe its a nitpick, but it really bugged me.
To me it feels like every boss you kill, the DLC gets better. At first its a kinda a mess, after ludwig its not so bad, after pirate lady its the best area in the game.
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>>323957882
Before The Old Hunters, Artorias of the Abyss was my favorite chunk of video game content ever. Now The Old Hunters is.
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>>323990160
>the katana/dagger thing which is a loreheavy weapon is obtained by killing an enemy that has nothing to do with its lore
The enemy lives in a well. The weapon was found in the well. It is stated that Maria couldn't bear looking at her weapon and threw it in a well. You can imply a lot more from that too, I just don't anna type it all.
>>323990160
>the fucking amydgala arm is just found in some artificial difficulty bullshit area too
If you proceed through the cave slowly after killing Djura's last friend then it's very easy, I'm getting the feeling you just rushed in.
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>>323961181
Maria. She was by far the easier DLC boss, but that kind of made it better. Especially for dex users.

>be blade of mercy user
>1v1 fast-paced fight against what is basically the doll
>decide not to parry and have just a straight speed fight
>both zipping around and slashing the shit out of each other
>she stabs herself
>she starts slinging blood for massive range
>still just as fast
>enters third phase
>now that blood catches on FIRE after it's out
>STILL just as fast
>defeat her first try with 1 blood vial left

It was a pretty great fight, especially if you don't take more than a few tries. It's not the hardest, but it was the most hype.
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>>323960842
>highest critical acclaim
>No goty awards
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>>323962072
Sure he's a reskin but you've got to admit that the second phase makes that fight very distinct gameplay wise.
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>>323991584
Fair point on the well thing, I guess, how does she still have it though?

I went back for the GG later, which was actually well placed, but maybe its just how I play souls games, rush through get all loot, die 20 times trying. And then take the proper way through and fight all the enemies, but by that point I had gotten half the stuff in the entire dlc. Maybe it's just a result of them not wanting to have enemies drop their own weapons like in souls.

I'd rather they just give us badges and not place the weapons anywhere to loot, except the ones that are where they're supposed to be.
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>>323992515
Also best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3XXGmu-dw
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>>323993023
>how does she still have it though?
You do realize you're in a dreamland in the Nightmare, right? It's her consciousness, so obviously she has the weapon she used the most. It's not the real one, it's just one generated by her consciousness, the real one is in the well.
>maybe its just how I play souls games, rush through get all loot, die 20 times trying.
yeah its just you.
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>>323980274
Fishing Hamlet is amazing fool
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>>323957882
absolutely

TOH is the highest quality of anything From has ever produced
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>>323957882
*Old Hunter teleports behind you*
psshh... nothin personell, kid
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>>323993023
m8, the maria you fight is the representation of her in a dream

it clearly states that she hates using blood attacks, but spams them for the second two phases of the fight
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>>323980274
forest might be my favorite area in the game

it's the only area I've ever gotten absolutely fucking lost going through on a first playthrough
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>>323968140
should i bother with the pick if burialblade is already my weaponfu?
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>>323968381
I really want to make a build for this weapon before moving onto das3
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>>323968140
holy shit how is this AR so high
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>>323977339
>Don't put your END over 20

Some skill weapons want more than 20 if you want to use all their gimmicks, like BoM
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>>323994995
>people making clint eastwood characters with sweaty clothes and gascoine pants

Literally my favourite build, shaking my head at his use of melee weapons though

As soon as I found evelyn and the gun rapier, I made a new cowboy character that just dual wields pistols

seriously disappointed at the lack of ponchos in this game though.
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>>323996369
20 is a stupid limit to begin with

you don't want to stop at 20, you want to end on a level that gives 3 points of stam, either by itself or with a %20 rune

therefore it's better to stop at 18 or 22 instead of 20
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>>323996638
Personally I'm a fan of whatever gives you just enough stamina to dodge back out after however many attacks you want to get off.
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>>323958067
>>323958739
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>>323996424
Just because the attire is sweaty clothes and bloody pants. doesn't mean it's supposed to be eastwood meme build.
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friendly reminder that whichever souls game you play first you will assume is 'the most difficult' and/or 'the best' simply because you arent use to the game mechanics, and shitposting about which one is good is pointless
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>>323996838
I tend to go for either base, 15 or 22

you really don't need a lot
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>>323996982
no, but the fact that its clearly a bloodtinge build, and the hair style is the same, might have something to do with it.
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>>323997037
demon's souls was my first

it's always been the easiest
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>>323997037
I played Dark Souls first which I hated, tried demons souls a few years later and loved it.
It's still the only one I haven't finished, since my ps3 broke.
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>>323997101
He's missing pistols though.
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>>323997305
which is why I'm S-M-H-ing, F-A-M
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>>323982293
Lady Maria wasn't responsible for all the people experimented on. It was the Healing Church and the School of Byrgenwerth that did it. Lady Maria was looking after the patients in the Research Hall and her major role was to guard the portal to the Fishing Hamlet to hide the secret of Kos.
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