What are some games that capture the horror of war?
>Chechen: Alik, while you still have the chance, won't you maybe please pull your guys back somehow?
>Chechen: Alik, don't do this thing. You won't make it out alive. You will die and I will die, and to what end? Please understand, who will benefit? Not you or I.
>Chechen: Dont you get it? In combat nor you nor I will show mercy, right? Better come visit me as a guest, Alik. Pull your guys back, you don't have to do this Alik...give the order.
>Tank commander: I'm not authorized to make that kind of a decision.
>Chechen: Alik, please understand....from the bottom of my heart, I really want you to live. So it's best that you leave.
>Tank commander: I don't have that option. I have my orders and I will carry them out no matter what.
Anyone? I know of This War of Mine but is there anything else?
Shame that there is no Reichstag-style map in RO2. That map really had a desperate feel in it.
Haven't tried it myself. Dunno if it has that atmosphere I'm looking for...
I want to be hyped but I'm not. I didn't like Rising Storm. I played RO for the industrial maps with amazingly detailed interiors that encouraged room to room fighting, that slow slog to victory.
Red Orchestra 2 is probably your safest bet.
There's hundreds of lines of characters whining, moaning, yelling, screaming insults/pain and so on. Final stands in the objective are pretty intense when your teamate gets dropped and gurgles blood for a few minutes or whimpers to mum. The Jap VAs do a really great job, very enthusiastic sounding, and their death screams from flamethrowers are electrifying.
This shit bothers me. I can't even shoot people when they are reviving their buddies in online games. I just can't shoot the medic, It always makes me feel like a piece of shit.
Killing a noncombatant field medic is against the geneva conventions and to me is morally wrong. I'll take that court marshall in stride asshole, my soul is worth more to me than what my superiors think
>When the Russians besieged the Chechen capital, thousands of civilians died from a week-long series of air raids and artillery bombardments in the heaviest bombing campaign in Europe since the destruction of Dresden. The initial assault on New Year's Eve 1995 ended in a major Russian defeat, resulting in heavy casualties and at first nearly a complete breakdown of morale in the Russian forces.
As a former hospital corpsman, I can tell you first hand that I was a combatant; I lit up more than my fair share of sandniggers.
I've even fired up civilians trying to drag wounded tangos to safety or pick up weapons.
They've done to same to me.
War is hell, brah.
>The film was shot in chronological order over a period of nine months. Aleksey Kravchenko says that he underwent "the most debilitating fatigue and hunger. I kept a most severe diet, and after the filming was over I returned to school not only thin, but grey-haired." The 2006 UK DVD sleeve states that the guns in the film were often loaded with live ammunition as opposed to blanks, for realism. Aleksey Kravchenko mentions in interviews that bullets sometimes passed just 4 inches (10 centimeters) above his head (such as in the cow scene).
Come and See for example.
>Living with myself.
I saved three jarheads, got two medals and used my GI Bill to buy a condo and go to college.
I hit my head in action and claimed I get random migraines so I was given 40% disability pay, forever.
God bless Amercia.
Right? That's not something to be proud of. Who comes into this thread and admits to being the fucking scum of the earth. We should learn from all of this and not repeat the same mistakes but instead "lol i shot civies helping wounded tangos because they were ragheads and im so edgy" Seriously, fuck that guy.
I feel like we're lacking games that actually capture the horrors of war
We have plenty of games that have great battles where one or two sad things happen like one of your allies gargling after taking a bullet in Red Orchestra. But no games where it actually feels like you're fucking a long drawn out war or feeling the after effects of your battles. This War of Mine was pretty good for it but that's all I can think of
i don't know why i thought of that instead of fighting
Sometimes I like to think of the guys in the squad I'm leading in Arma/PR/Squad as being truly dead when they die in the game just to make things more interesting.
Works better in Arma when it's a long mission with no respawns, but it still helps me reflect on my fuck ups in other games too.
Sorry you guys are too Delta to ever make a decision that saves the lives of your fellow Americans and makes the world a better place.
I sleep easier than most babies because I took lives, served my country and now don't have to work wage-slave jobs.
I'd do it again too.
>Wises I got shot.
>Having a conversation with me now.
Jesus, even the sandniggers were THAT stupid.
Guys, war isn't fun; I followed my orders.
Blame Washington and/or them for starting shit with Old Glory.
>tfw rarely any games about British soldiers
>tfw no games about British soldiers suffering in war because we always have a jolly good time
Fear causes them to rise up in secret, you can't keep that many likeminded humans living in fear of you like that for long, especially when they believe killing you, and dying in the process, will literally bring them to paradise.
All you people believing this shit need to get your fucking head straight jesus christ, Stop being so gullible no wonder faggots wear military uniforms and get free salutes when people believe everything they read and see
That quote reminded me of this
>saved my country
>make the world a better place
The Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts did a good job.
"Put the replacements up front, I don't want any of our lads to buy it"
"Duffy, fuel, and you're smoking a cigga-fucking-rette?"
>Grandad took part in the Winter War
>Never really liked talking about it, even when asked
>One christmas, he has had enough to drink to open up
>Tells us how his best friend got shot right next to him, how the freezing temperatures caused frostburn so severe that limbs had to be amputated and how the russian tanks just drove over the trenches they had dug when they pushed through, running over anyone trying to flee in the process
Every soldier, ever?
Ask anyone who saw combat over in that shithole.
You fire first and ask questions later.
That's exactly what we were told.
And it was fun.
those pesky Brits having fun when they shouldn't be
>Grandfather fought on eastern front
>He literally never talked about it, not even to his wife
I'm guessing he saw a lot of shit.
>go to war with sandniggers that aren't part of Geneva Convention
>be surprised when they don't follow Geneva Convention
Geneva's just a convenient excuse to accuse your enemy of something anyway, shit gets broken all the time and pushed under the rug.
>You fire first and ask questions later.
No it's not you can stop roleplaying now, no matter the nation you get told shit like this and no it's not the exact video it's a reenactment
>do terrifying shit during war like this
>years later only known for creating meme bears drinking alcohol and stabbing each other
Finns are weird
>permanent welfare for pretend condition
literally worse than chris-chan, who at least actually has autism.
you're the worst of the worst and i'm sure you justify it to yourself because you were in ten minutes of combat once.
literally kill yourself.
Geneva is more of agreement along the lines of "You don't do the nasty stuff, and I won't do it either, alright?". On a large scale, Geneva works. Gas attacks, mass executions of POW, operations in enemy uniforms and all the other dirty tricks are for the most part not used by conventional armies.
There will always be tons of small violations, but nobody really dares to break it big time because then the other side would also play dirty.
>I'd rather have a brit than a russian
>because of a mythos identical to that which sometimes associated with russians
>or french legion
>or every other distinct military body that didn't thoroughly embarrass itself
I don't need to justify anything to myself.
I saw an opportunity, took it and it paid off.
I get benefits when a lot of other assholes can't because they're dead; they don't need it, what's the problem?
You pirate games, it's no different.
It's every man for himself and the Devil take the hindmost.
>believeing in god
>taking the welfare of your dead comrades pretending you deserve it
yea fuck you cunt, go to war in countries you have no interest in, exept in stealing their oil.
Brain washed retard.
To be fair, we've been at war for more years combined than the US has been a country. I guess it's just part of the nationality.
We only pay fucking income tax because of a war with the french. Bloody french, we've not had a war for ages yet I'm still paying.
Red Orchestra 2 for me, I pity the poor fuckers who were constantly getting suppressed by my MG-34 while my mates crawled through a field to get enough to lob grenades.
Playing properly with friends is probably the best gaming experience I've ever had.
There's an actual video of the firefight accompanying this. It was in really heavy bush and in the middle of some fucking forest. Intense video but I never found it ever again.
I don't understand your point I post a successful SAS operation and you bash it? pretty autistic
>The ground operation was conducted by D Squadron, 22 Regiment Special Air Service—who assaulted Gberi Bana in a bid to extract the Royal Irish—and elements of 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment (1 PARA), who launched a diversionary assault on Magbeni. The operation freed the five soldiers as well as twenty-one Sierra Leonean civilians who had been held prisoner by the West Side Boys. At least twenty-five West Side Boys were killed in the assault, as was one British soldier, while eighteen West Side Boys—including the gang's leader, Foday Kallay—were taken prisoner and later transferred to the custody of the Sierra Leone Police. Many West Side Boys fled the area during the assault, and over 300 surrendered to UNAMSIL forces within a fortnight.
You can't differenciate what you deserve and what imaginative future you have beyond death?
yea KILL yourself as you should have died in killing people in their countries, you are a shame to the human race.
>Black Ops is also pretty good and mature
>Battlefield 3 is pretty much a war simulator
I really want some sort of a game where you take a role of a simple soldier and survivor in a middle of some immensely violent and horrifying conflict who sees enough shit for multiple lifetimes but endures and presses forward. Not even necessarily set in our world, just without too much of stupid magical or sci-fi elements, maybe with some unique and distinctive technology.
>Le moral war
The US literally bombed a doctors without borders hospital and gunned down anyone trying to escape, after making an agreement they wouldn't do that no matter who was inside or what the situation was.
>Tfw Obama was given a nobel peace prize
>Don't touch it, it's hot
>other braindead slav monkeys gather around to touch it
>This is why people are seeking asylum in countries where it's not a fucking active warzone.
But they're not, they all just want to go to Germany because Germany just gives them loads of money. They go through about 15 different countries not involved in any wars to get to Germany.
Are you trying to prove something? Hardiness under pressure is the top virtue in any army. You've got two videos of a few people covering while scared shitless, one with a better banter.
How dumb are you?
I'm arguing that both are based on the same thinking. You think that someone *can* "deserve" X or Y (based on the assumption that some things are good and deserving, and some things are bad and not), and yet you oppose the concept of an omnipotent deity (which is simply one manifestation of the above)?
What the fuck makes you think I'm not an atheist, retard?
It's full of cancerous wehraboos and the whole thing's just a clusterfuck of /int/ and /pol/ anyway.
If you think deserving something is the same as one entity deciding what someone deserves, you are clearly a fucking retard who can't into thinking.
Don't bother posting on this board anymore, your opinion has no value.
What are you on. They're clearly both meant to have American accents. I think they're Japs mimicking it, though.
>being this easily lead
Of course it's the same thing. What does it matter the form that it takes?
>morality deciding what is and is not deserving
and you've got
>a deity deciding what is and is not deserving.
Tell me the functional difference. The only difference that matters.
>Both uncle and cousin did combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan
>Uncle got blown up in an IED attack
>both of them to this day say they had a great time
If there wasn't something to be enjoyed about combat tours people wouldn't do them
>morality is not different than a book 2000 years old book
This is emberassing.
Do you ever question yourself or do you just keep believing in every bullshit anyone tells you?
by the way santa is not real.
I was with a lot of jarheads who loved combat; in this day and ages it's safer and far less risky than say Vietnam.
Regular jackoffs get to handle explosives, fire automatic weapons and might even win the medal of honor.
It's prob the apex of their life.
I dunno, I enjoy war games but a game that would truly simulate the horrors of war sounds like a test of willpower than a game.
My family is German, and my grandmother was in Dresden when it was firebombed. The few stories she's told me about the event make me glad I have never even had to worry about experiencing that. She said the bodies were piled over the surface of the water in the Elbe river from people trying to put themselves out. She lost a few brothers to Russian prison camps. Her father some how survived the Russian prison camps.
My great grandfather refused to join the Nazis. He was a free thinker and communist and he and a buddy were thrown into a prison camp not too long after the war started. Eventually he was given the choice to join the army and fight or to rot in the camp. He chose to join cuz he had a family to feed but his buddy didn't so he stayed in prison. My great grand father became an engineer building bridges for tanks and shit. He told my grandmother about going to relieve someone on watch who was frozen holding their binoculars to their face. Sometime around Stalingrad he and some buddies said fuck the war, stole a kubelwagen, and started driving west to go home. They ran right into a Russian patrol and got captured. He survived siberia, somehow. Apparently the Russians were so poor that their officers didn't even have windows on their huts.
After the Russians took east Germany my grand mother ended up working for a local commissar cuz she knew how to type. She said the Russian soldiers spent all day riding the street cars up and down the streets cuz it was so new and high tech to them. They were a nation of peasants after all.
Not sure why you would want to have a near real experience like that but whatever. Most Americans romanticize war because they've never had to experience it on their own soil.
RO2 is pretty fun. I play it every so often for that big WWII feel that is absent from games now.
Arabs are bad at tanking. Sometimes it seems they just can't into combined arms.
I've found a game called Gods Will be watching. It's a point and click puzzle game that revolves around moralistic choices in a sci-fi setting as the player watches over a space faring crew.
The noodly character designs look like the guys who did Superbrothers: Sword & Sorcery EP.
Is that Syria? Doesn't look like an SAA tank, if that's Syria.
Man, the Volkssturm story was so fucking sad. I mean, war is tragic throughout, but at least there's some sort of end goal in sight. The only reason the Volkssturm died was because Hitler had an Ego the size of Russia and just felt like more Germans should die for no reason. It's tragic how one man's stubbornness can have such a huge effect on so many.
Gee I dunno. Was it being shot on sight by my superiors if I disobeyed any orders such as charging trough no man's land ? Was it that the soviets didn't have enough weapons and ammo so you might get aan empty pistol or rifle, just a knife, or only a bullet with no weapons to use it on ?
/r/ing that webm of a mortally wounded guy trying to light a cigarette, only to get shot up
Yemen. I believe that's a Saudi Abrams.
The first wave of Soviets on their path to Berlin were polite, they were professional soldiers, they fought with honour, They would greet civilians, check for weapons and be on their way. Conscripts (which made up the majority of the second wave) though, they lacked discipline, they were known to get rather unruly. By unruly I mean crucifying, raping, torturing and killing thousands of German women, children and elderly people. The Soviet second wave was utterly unmatched in its brutality in this sense. On the western front the German civilians welcomed British and American forces, though they also committed their fair share of heinous acts towards civilians, they were angels in comparison to the Soviets.
All is well in the world then. Thanks!
It's the infantry's job to protect the tank. Although they should spread out more.
It seems to be a formation made with the presumption that if it is going to be attacked, it's going to be attacked directly from the front, and so that is the situation in which it should be used. Notice the tank is only scanning a fairly narrow angle in front of it.
>No game portrays moderate civilians correctly
Jesus fucking Christ, that's some grade A idiocy.
I truly feel sorry for the men who don't want to fight, but their government just forces them to do it.
I'm more curious about the guy running away at the end. Was he in the tank or outside it? Was that a black shirt he was half-wearing or charred skin? I can never make out exactly what happens.
B-but anon, they're Ukrainian and proud. Don't mix them up with Russians.
There's a reason why most of the people in the military are too retarded to go to college or do anything else but become cannon fodder. Congrats for advancing the stereotype.
Those people are there to show support so they aren't accused of being spies/infidels.
Countries that have conscripts are 100% shit-tier. Being a soldier is probably better than the alternative.
>tfw rebel and ISIS scum are getting their shit pushed in by SAA and Co.
At least it's nice to know that the soldiers who died, didn't die for nothing.
It's an attacking formation, I can only imagine using it if you know where the enemy is with absolute certainty, in that case, it seems pretty effective. The infantry have moving cover and can just burst out from behind the tank into the surrounding area.
It's just a drill to get the infantry working with the tank crew.
In an urban setting, you're going to have far less people hiding behind the tank - maybe the section commander and a couple other guys - since he talks to the talk crew commander via a telephone. The rest of the section is going to be on either sides of the road. Keep in mind you can't have guys in front of the tank because the 120mm concussive wave is so powerful that it would deck you, and if the tank fires sabot, then the sabot pieces detach and have a danger zone of up to 50m.
In a field setting like that, the infantry would be spread out in a line, if they don't have their transport.
A Combat team attack, the APC/IFV will pull up alongside the rear of the tank, infantry will hide behind the wall of armour calling out things to shoot for the tank and transport.
"Oh, Pa... Pa, is that you? ... Oh, Pa, I just fell off the tractor, is all ... I'm going to be fine .. jus' help me up Pa... (please help) (I'm going to be fine) .."
>flames coming out of the hatches
>didn't cook off
>child soldiers dying like dogs because anyone holding a gun is a soldier in a warzone
>blowing up someone's home town and turning it into a battlefield
>smell of burnt bodies and stagnate death in the air
>cries of grown men who know they're dead but aren't dying fast enough to come to terms with it
>executing civilians en masse because you don't have the food to feed them and you don't want them joining any guerrilla forces.
>watch your comrades fall as they're butchered trying to advance to reach their objective
>the next day that high ground you took is abandoned because you have a new objective and you march across the remains of your comrades to repeat this process again.
>this whole ordeal goes on for several months on and countless lives or thrown away for smallest bits of land.
>In the end everyone realizes it was an exercise in brutality that leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of those who fought for either side
Who wants to play a game like that?
Have you every thought about how each person in every single one of these images has just been a guy with their own hopes and dreams, a family, and friends, just like you?
I guess those Saudi sponsored US tows weren't enough to save their asses.
>On Saipan in the Marianas Islands, he advanced ahead of his unit with a bazooka and destroyed a Japanese emplacement which was firing on his company. Several days later, he single-handedly attacked and killed two groups of Japanese soldiers. On July 7, Baker's position came under attack by a large Japanese force. Although seriously wounded early in the attack, he refused to be evacuated and continued to fight in the close-range battle until running out of ammunition. When a comrade was wounded while trying to carry him to safety, Baker insisted that he be left behind. At his request, his comrades left him propped against a tree and gave him a pistol, which had eight bullets remaining. When American forces retook the position, they found the pistol, now empty, and eight dead Japanese soldiers around Baker's body
>that first guy absolutely terrified as he lives his final moments
may god have mercy for those men
>the same faggots complain about assad's barrel bombs
>Load up Vietnam expansion for BC2
>It Aint Me starts playing
>Those friendly flights
>Those friendships during the space race
>You will never be part of any of that
I don't know but I'd very much prefer a game or two like that existed, to show people a tiny glimpse of the reality of war rather than the romanticized Cawadoody version of it.
In the forgotten soldier, the author says exactly that. The first Russians were the soldiers, those behaved like you would expect the common soldier to act, the conscripts...they raped. Alot.